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Are there furries in mordheim?

>>97594541
Canonically just few beastmen and many skaven.
But Chaos Mutations can look like "anything", so there's room for interpretation.

>>97594495
Old thread
>>97537396

>>97594630

Thsnks anon, I fucked that up.

Alright, after playing spyrers, cops, cops, cops, cops, cops, cops, spyrers, and cops, I'm being challenged by Genestealers. Their big thing is Blaze immunity, right? Do they all have lascutters or is that only champs? How are they in melee? I'm operating on half a Cawdor gang after taking devastating losses in Great Darkness.

What's your favorite imperial navy bfg fleet? I wanted to like bakka because of all the unique ships but they're just not jiving with me

>Thinking of getting back into Necromunda after all these decades
>go to local warhammer store looking for core book
>40% 40k, 40% aos, 10% tow, 10% kill team
>only Necromunda in stock is the shitty starter box
>insulted that there is a story copy of the core book next to the register
>get welcomed to order it from the kiosk in the back
If I was a ass I would have told them if I have to order/ship it why the fuck would I order it from you when I can buy it anywhere else for less than msrp? Why the fuck would you not have one copy of the CORE RULES for all your games in stock?

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Hello thread, I am stopping by from /40kg/, I just have a greentext to drop

>just getting into the hobby after being enthralled with the 40k and FB/AOS universes for 10~ years
>buying up some models and assembling/painting them
>blessed enough to have a job where I can hobby on site
>work with tards
>one of my tards enjoys hanging out with me while I model
>tard is a cool dude who loves vidya and sports, especially gridiron football
>hmmmm, Blood Bowl Season 3 has a full box on sale for 30% off
>order in to spend some quality time with my tard buddy making some models and playing football together on the tabletop and not just on Madden/NCAA for 360
>planning to paint hoomans in his favorite NFL team

Really looking forward to using Blood Bowl tabletop to connect with my special buddy and have him exercise his football IQ.

Going to use this as a way to try and branch into a Tomb Kings army for Old World as well (and a death army in AoS). Do any of you seasoned Blood Bowl players have advice for complete newbs? I also intend on bringing the game to my LGS and seeing if I can get some games going with fellas down there.

>>97594733

I have never played vs Genestealers, but as a Cawdor who has been slapped down to 500 pts of dudes, I am praying to the Emperor for your victory.

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Lost today's game of battleclade vs raveners, almost entirely a skill issue on my part, but I got some hell nice pictures of the ordeal. We wound up with a big mosh pit of raveners brawling with servitors, winning, and then getting torched by even more servitors, and a lot of teleporting shenanigans too.

I spit on Moria’s corpse. Post FAQ White Hand is still too powerful. Crebain needed a nerf too.

Who are some good companies for third party 'Munda models?
Bonus points if there's good Cawdor and Delaque

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Man, I wish Dunland as an army was more than just "hobos with sticks".
Even with legacy you aren't getting much outside of a very convoluted way to reach fight 4.

So I've never had any means to get into Warmaster or Epic and I still don't, but I've always been fascinated by both, especially the former. I love the scale, the concepts, and also think the 10mm minis are just kickin' rad.

Are there any good sites with fluffy battle reports or some with nice good galleries of excellent Warmaster or Epic minis?

>>97595713

PrintMinis do a lot of Necromunda proxies if you're interested in 3d printing.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-purifier-gang-expansion-349858

>>97595945

I don't know anything about Epic but for Warmaster, look up IainMStanding on YouTube. He's done an enormous amount of introductory content including battle reports, tactics articles and faction overviews that go into good depth.

>months since 3rd season edition drop
>no new star players whatsoever for the new teams

>>97595204
>Do any of you seasoned Blood Bowl players have advice for complete newbs?
Advice on what aspect of the game? Not being a dick, just trying to narrow it down
>>97596061
I just want a fucking unique big guy for the Brettonians

>>97596504
I should have been more specific. I am wanting advice to making it as playable as possible for a tard who is great at vidya and sprots but is still, well, tarded. I also have no experience with the game so I'm at his level rn.

Are the play by play rules of the game easy enough to translate from real girdiron? I'll be the one doing all the reading and having to explain it all in plain language.

Also also, is it worth dipping in my toes for another team model box for different playstyles? Or do the teams largely play the same? (I can always proxy rules for my tard buddy too anyway)

>>97596522
I wouldn't buy another team until you find out if you like the game or not + how it plays. Tomb Kings and Bretts are alright starters. There are some similarities between teams (bashy, agile, hybrid and stunty) but they mostly all have unique play styles as well as theme.
The way I learned the game was playing against the AI in Blood Bowl 3 (the videogame) because that put guard rails on what I could do and it showed me additional info you don't get on the TT.
Blood Bowl is really only football themed. Knowledge of one doesn't carry over to the other at all.
If you don't want to play Blood Bowl 3 (which is still using an old ruleset but is updating soon), I would watch some videos to get familiar yourself with how the game is played.
The key parts of the game are 1) tackle zones, 2) blocking (which means hitting someone) and 3) assisting with blocks. If you have these three things down, the rest of the game is easy to comprehend (then you start getting more into higher level positioning and risk management, etc.)

In Mordheim, does the Warrior Wizard skill only let you cast while wearing armor, or also while using a buckler/shield?

>>97596585
Gotcha. I will do some research and report back next week how our first game goes. If nothing else I'll have some nice minis to paint.

Are there any roles/niches the Imperial Nave is lacking? Came up with several ship class names but outside of a battlecruiser'd gothic I have no idea how to outfit said ships if I were to write up custom stats for them

And again. If Exotic Beasts in Necromunda "die" in a mission are they just dead and you have to buy new ones or are they also treated like gangers n such with being able to get healed n stuff? can you capture them? or are they more like equipment, once bought thhey replenish each mission? kinda have problems finding the rules.

>>97597702
They are treated like gangers. The gain xp, get injured, etc. the same as any other fighter

https://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/founding-a-gang/exotic-beasts

>>97597740
Thanks, i somehow always just landet on beast lists from some gang and could not find the overall rules..

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>>97597300
I think every combination has been canon'd except for that one.

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>>97598177
I supposed you could try to get funky with light cruisers.

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Is there any kind of page like this for escort carriers? I have one model but I never did find where the rules are.

>>97598244
Not the victory but close enough for my rant, isn't the victory battleship supposed to be a low-tech imitation of the apocalypse class? And yet the victory's lance batteries are double the apoc's range. Yes they're lower strength but not by too much. And it goes faster. And if you want to boost the range of the apocalypse now you have to gamble on engine damage. I don't get the design decisions.
The victory is a bakka exclusive design yes but it doesn't make me any less angry

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I think, after I finish my current MESBG army, I will start an Ent army. Nice and easy. Probably like 6-7 models total for a full size army.

>>97594772
There's not much difference between the variant list themes when it comes down to it. Bakka is meant to be about gunnery rather than carriers but adds a bunch of unique carrier hulls for no real reason; Bastion Fleet is meant to be about old obsolete hulla but in practice is just Gothic Fleet with more options.

My favourite fleet build is pretty standard Gothic: a Retribution battleship and a bunch of standard cruisers plus a few escorts. Charge in as a phalanx and enjoy shotgunning torpedoes; it's not subtle but it's good fun.

>>97598926
What's your current force?

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>>97598244
Do you mean specifically the freighter-carrier or one of the light cruiser carriers specifically?

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>>97599675
That's what I was looking for, thank you
>>97598340

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>>97599731
Now that all the stats are here it's 2 less strength on the lances for double range and +5cm movement, plus an option to make it cheaper with torpedoes.
Why can't the apocalypse get such nice things?

>>97599875
I mean, with the Lock On range boost effect it does somewhat balance out (despite the critical). I agree that the Victory should have an additional malus for what it offers, though. Perhaps a downgrade on shield or turret rating?

>>97599134
Khazad-Dum

Anons, how the hell do I use Kommandos effectively? 2 APL and melee seems like a really bad combo.

>>97601206
They can charge from conceal

>>97601210
But can you use the fight action while concealed? No matter what it's gonna cost 3 AP to reposition or dash close enough, charge, and the use the fight action to melee.

>>97601206
The nob is 3 APL, and you have two ways to hand out +1 APL
You also have universal charge from conceal, which is simple but very strong in keeping your boyz safe till the right moment, and also combos directly with Skulk About even if they do get shot
Just a Scratch is so good that its now become a byword for similar damage-ignoring ploys on later teams
You can also further close the distance with Shhhhhh
On open boards, consider dropping the burna boy for a regular boy who'll give you free stun/smoke nades every turn

>>97601218
Yes, conceal only normally prevents you from charging. You can always fight on conceal. So Kommandos can charge/fight while on conceal, ideally placing yourself somewhere you'll still be in cover should you kill the enemy in melee and thus keep yourself safe from return fire
And you can't reposition/dash in the same turn that you charge anyway

>>97601218
>No matter what it's gonna cost 3 AP to reposition or dash close enough, charge, and the use the fight action to melee
Sounds like you've got a lot to learn about how the game works if you still think you can charge in the same turn as another movement action.
Use conceal orders to sneak up, position yourself to be in charge range for an enemy model that is already expended. Then, next turn, you are ready to charge -> fight them. Set up two of those opportunities and you'll mitigate the risk of losing initiative (should you do so and one of your threats gets picked off, you still have the second one).
Between 10 wounds, 4/5 damage, just a scratch to punch way above weight/stonewall enemy counterattacks, and conceal charges, the team is really capable. Then you add their surprisingly good shooting to take care of remote threats (make sure to bring harpoons, they are marine-killers when you have dakka dakka dakka active), and you have a team that doesn't really have any major weaknesses.

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A. Are navy breachers any good? I think they look cool
B. What does the inside of the chainfist hand look like, is it like a power-mitten?
C. Are there extra helmet heads? Not a fan of bare or the half-mask heads

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>>97601351
Oh you meant for KT. No idea, but here you have a base idea for Necromunda.
I wanted to use a mining laser but due to rarity issues I ended using a Grenade Launcher. Could replace something and get a hanger on to reduce the rarity and get the laser, but would leave me with even less bodies.

>>97601295
I'm still pretty new. We have loads of kill teams and have just been deathmatching them. One thing I've been confused about is whether there is a set order for operative activation, or if you can just select any operative who hasn't been activated.

>>97601424
You can activate any ready operative. Choosing who to activate in which order is a huge part of making your game plan

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>>97601351
>A. Are navy breachers any good? I think they look cool
They're pretty nice nowadays. I think they're a bit skewed - a lot of their power is in their damage reduction ploy and their one time servo-skull detonation and then the rest of the team is less powerful to compensate, which can be a shame. They're also pretty tough against power armoured teams, given their lack of armour piercing. Definitely worth playing overall though.
Do beware, you need to either do some cutting and bring a spare 28mm base or buy two boxes to get the two gunners you're allowed to field. Really stupid box setup on this one. At least with a second box you'll also get every alternative weapon option you'd ever want and the spare armsmen for swapping in.
>B. What does the inside of the chainfist hand look like, is it like a power-mitten?
I guess? I dunno what you're expecting to find in there. It's kinda plain.
>C. Are there extra helmet heads? Not a fan of bare or the half-mask heads
There are, I assembled my team without any bare skin showing.

>>97601889
All I can see the fist as is one finger above the saw so I was just wondering if there was any extra detail on the flipside

>>97601889
With the two gunners what's the best setup?

>>97603118
(not him) in most teams gunners are VERY important, especially everything that can deal with space marines and the likes.

>>97603118
>>97603146
Sorry misread your question...
Leader Hairloom pistol power weapon
And basically every specialist + 1 armsman. (like with most teams that can take all specialists)

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What should I model my Orlock Wreckers with? I've got the four from the box and I haven't tried seeing if at least the male ones can use arms from the core gang.

>>97603146
>>97603304
Well, is says you pick two out of the laser, melta, and plasma. I would assume the las and plas are the go to buut I only did a skim of the rules

>>97603386
Usually you take plasma melta but for newer players melta can be especially tricky to use and get in position because of the close range. Usually still worth it against most teams.

I fuarking luv Warcry.

>>97603308
Chainsword/Chainaxe + autopistol/plasma and grenade (demo or blasting charge) best loadout for them.

There are plenty of chainsword/axe bits from Jakhals kits, Jakhals also fairly cheap due to them being in all World Eater big boxes.

2 chainsword/axe, not a great loadout but jakhal got them and it looks cool.


Stubgun, then demo/blasting charge or knfie on the other arm. The cheapest loadout. Every bits are from the kits. downside is that orlock stubgun is so ugly.

Hand flamer, then chainsword/axe/knife/stubgun/demo charge on other arm.

Don't have to buy weapon on the "other arm" right at start if you're short on credit, just don't cheat and inform your opponents. Chainaxe is trading post weapon so you can't start with it.

>>97603386
>>97603118
The las volley is kinda ass this edition. Range limitations aren't actually that important in KT thanks to conceal orders letting you get up close, so the default selection should be melta + plasma.

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Is it just me or are clan Pestilens Skaven quite strong in Mordheim? My group started playing Mordheim recently and I thought Plague Monks are really cool so I picked them for my first warband. Since then we have played four games and I have yet to lose one, and I have now gathered enough gold to add a Rat Ogre to my warband, although adding it feels like making a strong warband even stronger?

How do you keep games of Mordheim fair? I'm kind of worried my warband is turning into a deathball that wont be fun to play against or with.Should I just roll up another type of warband?

>>97604795
I'm a Mordheim noob but I would talk over balance with your group. Maybe everyone else gets a bonus (more gold?), maybe your rat ogre costs more or has a per game tax

>>97604795
Play frostgrave instead

>>97604795
There is an xp bonus for difference in warband rating at least

>>97606606
>everyone else gets a bonus
Why even play? Rob the winner of their win, reward the losers in the name of equity and eliminate all legitimacy, it becomes a pointless circlejerk because there is no risk or reward.
Anon is only trying to humblebrag anyway.

>>97606922
Imagine playing Mordheim to dominate and win, not to have fun
Shiggy diggy

>>97607072
the game just naturally leads to that. You need to work against yourself to not break the game.

>>97607072
Imagine needing handouts in a game to have fun

How are Dark Elves in the new version of Blood Bowl?
I wanna start a new team, and I'm between wood elf and dark elf, but I know Dark Elf was really good in 2e. Coming from goblins I'm worried it'll look like I'm just chasing rules if I go to a team that's too good.

>>97607340
>in 2e
Dude, that was like 30 years ago

>>97607346
My bad, I'm mostly playing Heresy at the now, so the previous version of everything is 2e to me.
The previous ruleset, regardless.

In BFG if I take a pair of Armageddon Battlecruisers as my main beatstick for a fleet, what cruisers should I take to support them? Being based off the jack of all trades lunar class, I'm not quite sure

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The old trove on the share thread got nuked at some point. I’m ready to get into the game after being away for a few years. Can someone point me in the right direction? OC model to prove I’m not a corpo

>>97608993
I should have specified, I’m looking for Necromunda

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When is emperor’s children/Slaanesh gonna get a kill team?

>>97609142
Probably never, GW hates them.

>>97609142
You already have legionaries with mark of slaanesh
>that doesn't count because..... it just doesn't ok?
Yes it does

>>97609184
It is not a dedicated Slaanesh tea other than warpcoven, plague marines, gellarpox, goremongers and stupid nemesis claws have two.
legionarys, blooded, cult are chaos undevided.

>>97609184
Just because an Eevee knows Bite it doesn’t make it an Umbreon

>>97609206
>>97609184
>that doesn't count because..... it just doesn't ok?
Yes it does

@97609267
the exact kind of nincel veddit tier post expected from a ktard that's too mentally impaired to kitbash or homebrew

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>>97609277
What the fuck is a nincel, what is a ktard? Where the hell did all that projection come from? Are you okay? Have you been outside lately?

>>97609277
>too mentally impaired to kitbash or homebrew
If you have to kitbash or homebrew there is no dedicated team.

>>97609277
I want a release that says emperor’s children or slaanesh on the box like khorne got. You’re not a good listener.

>>97609007
necroraw.com.ru

There're no trove, only upload request.

>>97608993

https://mega.nz/folder/UvgX3CLB#ArpJzxU-mDimTRKGZ_alXw/folder/s74AVSyB

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>>97597300
There are not so many different weapon systems and they dont have that much tactical variation. They have already done every variation.
Lances have low dice but high penetration. Weaponbatteries have high dice but normal strenght.
Torpedos are ordnance that can force opponents to move in another direction.
Ordnances are torpedos that can move behind obstacles.
Nova cannon is a sniper weapon.
Anon >>97598225 is right that light cruisers and battleships could have potencial for more classes. But when you look at escorts, the combinations are not that many with only those weapon systems avaible.
Thats why they released the Falchion light cruiser and similar escorts or grand cruisers to play woth the ship hull stats.

Has anyone ever homebrewed a space hulk upgrade so the game is less braindead simple?
-marine loadout choice after map reveal, different chapters?
-radar to tactically uncover blips? deployable radar gear?
-different tyranid units such as a broodlord or malstrain genestealers, adding another dimension to guessing what's under a blip?
-multiple objectives?

>>97597300
You can check the 40krpg general, someone over there has made some absolutely bizarre ships like sniper ships, anti-fighter ships, artillery ships, shield ships, and even new kinds of strike craft

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>>97594495
Shame these games were delisted, got ahold of them recently and had bug killing fun.

Stop posting about Kill Team ITT

>>97613532
Thanks for reminding me to post this

https://mega.nz/folder/0a10kTyb#Kro6lhFGnt9hmfuJCT3BKQ

>>97610059
>They have already done every variation.
This. Unless you are inventing entirely new types of weapons, basically every combo already exists. And nobody will talk to you if you use homebrew anyway so...

>>97598171
>>97610059
Might as well post the ships if anyone has feedback or ideas for others
>Subjugatior Class Cruiser
Essentially a Dominator with the nova cannon swapped for a Bombardment Cannon like a space marine strike cruiser, but probably fixed forward
>Saturn Class Battlecruiser
The aforementioned Battlecruiser'd Gothic
>Warlord Class Pocket Battleship
An Overlord with bigger guns, thinking either s10 or a pair of s5 or 6 batteries per side, maybe an extra shield and turret, and the engine explode rule like the Mercury Cruiser has
And this last one I'm not so sure about but it's the only other I could think of stats for
>Jupiter Class Battleship
Bombardment Cannon Broadsides
Other ship names I though of include: Oligarch & Neptune
Finally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?
>>97613287
I'll have to look into that, thanks

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>>97594733
Just played this game out today
>gunk war, on defense, end of turn 4
>OOA'd a flamer hybrid with a stub gun, cdg'd two guys including his leader, severed another ganger. He had his abberant left and I had my whole gang except for a juve, my Eviscerator was seriously injured but had an apostate near him
>fail bottle, my 7+ leader leaves
>everyone else fails their cool checks except for one juve who was at T1, opponent succeeds his cool
>Turn 5, lose priority, abberant charges juve and OOA's
I'm not even mad. Shit like that is why I love Necromunda. Homie was rolling like shit the whole game up until that point

>>97613868
Homebrew is kinda weird. You expect them to be overpowered or unbalanced. So people like to stick to the official rulebooks/fleetlists. I think thats what people forget why many are so company focused. Something everybody can or has to agree on.

>>97614328
>Subjugatior Class Cruiser
That is kinda the question. Give them other stats or weapons that defines a faction. Honestly i would leave the bombards with Space Marines.

>Saturn Class Battlecruiser
Sounds you found a variation. Legit interesting. But the dorsal lance should be the only 60cm and the sides still 30cm or 45cm.

>Warlord Class Pocket Battleship
Sounds too much like a RPG used ship. You dont need an existing class but bigger guns. If you want more Weapon batteries you could take the overlord and give him weapon batteries in the prow like the Emperor battleship has. No 6+ front armor and the player has to decide which weapon batterie side he supports. And keep the dorsal lances to make him differ from the Emperor.

>Jupiter Class Battleship
Like with Subjugatior. When you want bombards, you could easily just hire Space Marine cruisers.

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FUCK MURDERWING

>>97618337
How bad are they to play against in practice? I've only got theoreticals thus far.

>>97618397
Just constant asscrack guaranteed damage + damage negation, charges from across the map. It just fucking sucks.

Ayo, anyone got a copy of the Warcry V1 Bringers of Death or Heralds of Destruction faction books ? I'm looking to pad my archive.

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>>97614328
>Finally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?
There is this Smotherman Formula.
yenlowang.free.fr/BFG/smotherman_formula_v205.pdf

>>97615876
It works for a lot of awgs. you just need not-easily breakable formula or spreadsheet that respects the existing power curve.
it's not like the official thing is any guarantee of quality. GW seems like they playtest even less than the average homebrewer.

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>Numenor had its colonies in far harad, Umbar is just fhe northenmost one
>Numenoreans also mixed with the haradrim in the same way as the numenoreans did with the northmen
Meaning you can fluff up and make a legitimate "evil Gondor" army to represent your totally OC black numenorean city-state. Just hold off from using the named heroes.
Man, being irrelevant to the plot has its advantages.

>>97625077
I just got into MESBG recently and I love how in depth the world is. I am both sad and happy I got into when I did, because if I got into it a year ago I’d have gone full Far Harad and had a squatted army now.

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>downtime game
>leader gets fleshwounded out because of koiron
>champion is still in 6" of everyone though
>end of turn one, bottle check fails
>champion runs
>apostates leave
>entire gang leaves
How do I prevent this in the future?

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>>97625717
I figured it out. I'm gonna buy a champion with Wild Snake and picrel my whole gang next to him

Just learning Necromunda rules. >>97625717
that means the team is smaller than 7guys for this to even work and only with really baddice luck? D6+fleehwound+outofaction>initial teamsize?

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If I wanted to start playing Necromunda, which box is better; the old starter or the newer Hive Secundus box?

>>97628283
Neither is really a good option but hive war would be better (better models and terrain) but both have moreor less useless rulebooks and lock you to the teams inside. buy a core rulebook and a ganger box of the gang of your choice.

>>97628302
That sucks. So presumably a new starter will be released soon?

>>97628283
The only thing good about those sets are the tokens, templates, barricades and the dice.
Everything else is shit.
If you have way to get anything of the above mentioned from regular 40k (templates), making your own (tokens/terrain), etc it quickly loses value.
With Necroraw there is even less value for the rulebook you can buy, as you can simply print the rules if you want a physical copy.

>>97628346
Probably not. Necromunda is notorious for having no real starterbox because it is most of the time more like the seasonal update or a more or less adon you can play without the main game.

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Found these Grandcruiser odels. They look better than the GW ones.

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>>97628726

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>>97628732
And a Chaos Grandcruiser model.

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>>97628283

All rules are on Necroraw or buy the core Rulebook.

Buy two gangs you like and the gang books that correspond. also check here

https://mega.nz/folder/UvgX3CLB#ArpJzxU-mDimTRKGZ_alXw/folder/s74AVSyB

Get a template set off ebay or Etsy.

Use this file to make ypur own tokens.

https://tcrepo.com/downloads/necromunda-printable-tokens/

Build your own terrain. Here's your first project.
https://youtu.be/uIMfwD_wPeo?si=WSpzs7oP6tHuw9jn

>>97618337
>>97618397
Played 2 games against them as wreckas. 50% win rate but the team is hot garbage to play against
>Yeah I'm safe here
>Charged from the table beside you
>Oh well at least they have no shooting
>Lmao 2d3+3 on 2" oh and it's a fight action here it comes again
At least they can get shot but still fuck em. Even injured they managed to fuck you up

>>97628726
I kinda like the general design, but they have almost as many port and starboard weapons as the Macragge's Honour and FAR more than any class of battleship.

One day we'll get a Haemonculus kill team...

>>97628094
A lot of scenarios start you with six guys. This was a multiplayer side game so we started with 3 but rolled d3 for bottle checks. I rolled a six. It makes it kinda goofy for Cawdor because bottle checks go off of your starting crew, not the guys left on the battlefield. So I can have like 17 fucking guys on the battlefield, lose one, and still bottle on a 6 if I started the game with 6

Thinking about picking up my first Kill Team. Either Battleclade because of my fondness for AdMech, or Goremongers who I'm tempted to kitbash into Nurgle cultists using a vast collection of Deathguard and Maggotkin bits I've accrued...

>>97629517
Oh i did not know that, sounds harsh.

>>97629249
>Wreckas
I'm so sorry anon. I played Legionaries against them and utterly fucked them up in melee but they just had so many get-out-of-jail-free cards I still got fucking tabled. Like, I want to like them because I love all flavors of Marine, especially Chaos, but fuuuuuuuhuck they're just utterly cruel in design for no reason. And no- not in a "night lords are cruel" way, in a "I don't wanna play against these guys again" way.

I don’t think this should be a place that includes Kill Team. That’s basically just a 40k spinoff and you had your own threads.

>>97629666
I agree. Necromunda and Titanicus should also be in the 40k thread, and Warcry should be in the AoS thread. Mordheim should go to the Warhammer Fantasy thread.

>>97629549
Battleclade are definitely the more complex option, requiring a lot of forethought and synergy, and recently got a pretty big balance update/rework
Goremongers are the more unga bunga option if you just wanna run forward and hit mans

>>97594495
Does anyone have the mega for the Killteam rule books? Was trying to look at some of the first edition books for inspiration.

>>97629510
Haemonculus team vs GSC Biophagus aberrant team would be kino, call it tainted flesh or something, mad doctors unleashing their horrible creations on each other

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Just some Season Two Sevens today.

Bashy team stopped Elves from scoring with a one-die blitz, then marched it down the field with some successful Go For Its, then just caged in the middle for the second half, 0–1.

>>97630051
Yeah I'd buy the shit out of that. You can never have too much mad science rep.

>>97630051
I've been waiting for a Catachan vs Striking Scorpion one.
Like there is even a movie about that.

>>97629394
You are right. I fucked up. Thats for a Gloriana class battleship.

>>97630338
We already got the scorpion team release with Blades of Khaine, so that ain't happening
People have been asking for Catachans for ages though
Personally I think a jungle killzone with catachans vs exodites would be the dream

>>97630584
I could see Ymgarl Tyranids fitting in nicely there too. They were from a jungle planet too, right?

>>97630876
Yeah but (ymgarl) genestealers got a new kit just a few years ago so thats also basically off the table

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How would you go about including this model in Necromunda as a ganger?

I'm thinking squat ganger statblock, Ironhead shotgun, maybe a giant rat as a pet.

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Just getting started with Necromunda. This is my first draft of a list for a dominion campaign. I’ve got the books and trying to figure out the rules. Is this legal?

>>97632352
No champ, Cawdor with flamer, hiring bounty hunter at start. 3-man gang.

A certified meme classic.

>>97631226
There are to many options that would fit. maybe the flimsy delaque cawdor and escher not so much but everything with at least flakarmour, a decent str stat and something like shotgun or handcannon (+exotic beast) would fit. enforcer with doggo, probably the main suspects but goliath should fit good as well. i am not so familiar with ironheads to know what exotic beasts besides those drones they can get (and if those drones rules would fit for that pet). but there is probably a brute/hangeron that fits him (no idea thought).

So they are featuring slaanesh daemonettes in the boltgun 2 game. Do you guys believe that increases the chances on a chaos daemons team (maybe even slaanesh)?

>>97632529
daemons are going TOW only
best you'll get is chaos tech thralls if IW/dark mechanicum get a separate codex

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>>97632552
>daemons are going TOW only

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>>97614328
>Finally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?
The battlefleet heresy crowd had a custom ship builder that let you go full ham.
Have you considered a grand cruiser as a base for your customs? You'd get 4 slots on each side that let you do quite a bit.

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>>97632640
https://gofile.io/d/FDgFh0

And in case you can't find said rules

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I've got a grand cruiser I bought like three years ago I built and never painted. Maybe I finally should but I won't, will I?

>>97632420
I may be retarded but I’m not memeing. Are those all things I’m not allowed to do?

I miss Warcry...

>>97632843
Then play it? What’s stopping you? It’s easier to set up (well maybe the terrain can be a bitch) than most games. Rules are probably the most easiest to remember too.

>>97632552
>>97632529
Nah I think Daemons will remain in a very limited capacity for each god devoted legion but yeah overall I think they are going to TOW too.

>>97632906
That’s like expecting primaris to pop up in Horus heresy.

>>97632884
I want new content though.

>>97633000
Warcry just got chorf. and they'll get the new mortis unit in the new future.

>>97633022
I'm hoping we get some of the new Maggotkin stuff too.

>>97596522
>>97596585
>>97595204
It's unfortunate but Blood Bowl attracts people who like American football but it catfishes them because it's not a game downs like football. The people writing the rules actually are going out of their way to make the game even less like football. Passing has been butchered. They have cut the positional pieces each team can use effectively in half. It's in a really bad state right now. Games workshop is murdering this game.

>>97607340
If you have played Goblins or halfings or one of these meme stunty teams and still enjoy the game, I would say you are living your best life because you just don't care about winning. All the agi teams and elf teams have been nurfed with each team losing blitzers or catchers. Now elf teams have very little special about them. Just a bunch of squishy linemen. So while Goblins were bad, you probably were at least having fun. When you play elves you usually don't have fun. You spend most the game with your players on the bench while you are just waiting for the game to be over.

>>97632774
I misread you actually had 5 men, but still no champs.

If you aren't trying to troll with that list then you must've not read the rule. Champs are needed because they can do post battle action. Most gangs start with 2. Also champs give "group activation", I don't think you need an explanation why it's a good thing to have.

You bought 2 flamers on your Cawdor leader? A cheaper Cawdor flamer and a more expensive one from the TP??? Isn't this the most obvious meme/troll move ? Most gangs don't start with flamer because it's too expensive/not fit the gang theme/or they already got better alternative. In the case of Cawdor they got the much cheaper Polearm+Blunderbuss as their flamer alternative.

Vandoth is a bounty hunter, a temporary member of the gang that stay for 2-3 game before he left. He's powerful but he's unreliable for your gang developement. If you want a gang with Vandoth as a permanent member play Outcast

Outlaw venator, venator's entire gimmick is that they're bounty hunter, and they got lots of credit from selling captive and dead fighters. Making an outlaw venator make them unable to utilize this mechanic.

5-men gang is below average for general scenarios. You should check the scenarios being used in your group to determine the average men needed for a gang. 8-9 fighters is the universal number of fighters for a starting gang, for most book scenarios.

Is every Blood Bowl tournament just devolved into resurrection format? Why is blood bowl being made soft?

>>97629699
Necromunda is too good for 40k threads

>>97633140
Thank you very much! Book of the Outcast is one of the few I don’t have.

Is that one floating around by any chance?

>>97633688
https://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/gangs/gang-lists/underhive-outcasts/

>>97632352

The other Anon was correct. You need more dudes, a couple champs, and drop the expensive hired gun in favour of 3-4 gangers.

Are you just trying to create a gang to fit a specific bunch of minis you like? Can we see a pic of them?

>>97633140
Speaking of the polebuss, how does that perform in game? I remember a while ago I made a gang list that has 7-8 of them in it but due to personal stuff I never played it. But thinking back now, I feel like stacking 8 of any weapon would be kind of cheesey

Also are the forge world gang head kits not available anymore?

>>97633038
So play LRB6 and ignore GW's idiocy

>>97634072
It's the only good (and fun) unique weapon they had, and it's the sole reason you play them, you like to burn stuff. Outside of that they had the greatsword, which is not unique, but quite a scary and a bit of a meme weapon. If you want more variety and less spam you had to bring the redemptionists, Redemptionists are half of their assets, because they don't get the usual champ and prospect like other house. If you want to be an autist cawdor purist but don't want fags to nag about "spam" then you just had to settle playing as a discount orlock with shitty autogun and stubgun.

Are there still no complete scans of the bb3s rulebook?
I can't seem to find any.

>>97634072
>stacking 8 of any weapon would be kind of cheesey
It's worse than cheesy. It's boring.

>>97632946
I get your point but TOW isn’t going to be like HH in that it’s a static setting.

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>>97613219
Homebreed? I did write some ideas down.
Space Marines Squad/Imperial Guard/Chaos Cultists vs Genestealers(+ Genestealer Cult/Ripper Swarm/Mutated)/Chaos Cultists/Space Orcs.

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Played a 475 point game of MESBG today as Khazad-Dum. It was To The Death (just kill each other) and I think dwarves are a bit busted. Almost tabled him, he had 2 kataphracts and his named Easterling general left at the end of the game.

>>97594495
since ktg seems to be dead I'll ask here
I know the chaos legionary box is out of rotation but is it still "legal" for matched play? I'd love to kitbash a world eaters killteam using it but I don't want a repeat of my hunter clade getting finished a day before they swept away all the compendium teams lmao

>>97636217
>is it still "legal" for matched play?
Assuming your local game scene isn't official GW tournaments or hypercompetitive shitters, yes it is legal until next edition (likely 2027, based on the 3 year pattern).
>my hunter clade getting finished a day before they swept away all the compendium teams
Hunter clade isn't a compendium team and is still legal under all the same conditions as legionaries though

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The newest addition to my tomb world's painted bits.
Next I will finish the walls with 5 guys sitting on them. I'm practically painting an entire kill team just to decorate some of the wall pieces in the set. Looks great when I do finish it though of course.

I completely forgot the defiant cost 120 points not 110 like the others in the endeavor family so now I'm 10 points overbudget.
Just how important are carriers in battlefleet gothic? I'm considering just taking one dictator for this fleet and relying on 3 avenger grand cruisers worth of weapon batteries to deal with the shortcomings

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Spegs and Sperglings, which version of old Epic is the best? I know most people play the new fanmade version of Epic or LI these days, but me and my mates want to go back and play one of the old ones to experience it and get a taste of a game we never got to play.
I think this is the one we should try? Epic from 1997. Beyond a few Firepower Magazines everything seems to be contained to the Army Book so it seems like a "one and done" sorta game which is nice.
We would probably want to do Guard or Marines vs Chaos.
Is Epic 1997 the best choice for an OG Epic experience, or should we go with Epic Armageddon from 2003, Space Marine from 1989 etc.
TIA for any help :)

>>97633894
Sorry for the late reply.

I had an idea for a gang of outcasts (before I knew that Outcast Gangs were a thing) that follow Vandoth around. They are inspired by an outcast SoB that’s correctly guessed what he is. She is under the delusion that by drinking his blood she can empower herself and others with a fraction of the Emperor’s power and purge the undergone. In truth, she and the others become addicted to his genhanced blood and crave more. They bring in bounties dead, drained of blood, to secure credits to keep themselves armed.

Vandoth for his part doesn’t care as long as they help him and don’t get in his way.

Played and won my first game of battlefleet gothic AMA

>>97637901
Did you hold hands at some point in the game?

>>97637906
Yes, at the end when we shook hands

>>97637910
You’re lewd.

>>97637917
UwU
Faggot

>>97634117
I'm guessing that stands for living rulebook? The problem is Blood bowl has always been flawed. It's not a very good game. It just has a strong cult community that won't accept any criticism. I only like it because it's like American football but it plays nothing like american football. The pacing of BlitzBall seems like it might be designed better though. I also was looking at a game called Guild Ball which might be better rules.

>>97637910
Do people not shake hands at the end of a game?

>>97638349
Some do, some do not. Since the pandemic it got a lot less. But do not worry the whole conversation is just silly funny stuff.

>>97638390
I've not encountered a single person who doesn't. In casual or competitive play

>>97636956
I think 1997 is universally seen as the worst version of Epic.

>>97638565
Well if you initiate it people rarely refuse it. But depending on region it is now way less typical to shake hands over all (in buisness, casual meetups and so on) to not shake hands anymore because of the pandemic. Other regions just do not care.

>>97638655
I went out of my way to hug and shake hands during the pandemic.
Mostly because retards before that found amusing that I did not like being hug and touched by random people.

>>97639679
Sounds like you are an asshole and idiot.

>>97638077
I'm new to tabletop and blood bowl has easily been the best game I've played and one that I look forward to continue playing

>>97636956
Your picrel is shit. Imagine the 3ed streamlining except done twice as hard, washing out any flavor in the process.
Your options are:
Classic Epics:
>Space Marine - the classic granular one, "40k but on a larger scale", fun but janky
>Epic 40k (your pic) - super streamlined play but fun is gone

New Epics:
>NetEpic - fan-updated version most similar to Space Marine
>Epic Armageddon - like someone took Epic 40k and dialed it back to sane levels, so they kept some streamlining mechanics, but you actually had varied units and weapons back. Was pretty well received.

The last two at some point either merged, or someone made a new version containing both, called NetEA. Seems closer to EA than NetE, but I stopped paying attention at this point so I can't tell you much about it.

>>97640539
Never knew that it transformed that much. How does Aeronautica Imperialis fit into that?

>>97642059
It doesn't IIRC, it's a separate game that happens to have the same units. Think mainline 40k vs Kill Team.

>>97642059
Aeronautica Imperialis is a game about predicting your oppponent next move, aircraft knowledge and how to abuse the shit out it. For example if you play as Eldar against your opponent's Valkyrie. You can stay at attitude 9 and be completely safe against the shitty Valkyrie because it can only stay at attitude 7 and in the game you can only shoot at 1 attitude below or above. Or a more nimble aircraft can turn better than a sluggish bomber.

GW made a 2nd edition of Aeronautica and throw all of that out of the window. Max attitude is now 5 and play area is on much smaller hex board instead of any board, there're really nowhere to run. All aircrafts can turn with ease now, and "ground-only" rule for a lot of close air support weapons were removed, making them the deadliest dogfight weapons, because insane firepower. So really the game is just a dice rolling simulator.

The worst cardinal sins any warhammer game can get is a failed 10 second google search (or just copy paste from old edition) to get the info correct, and the writer for the reboot edition did it, so many shits are wrong, at the end of the game's run they don't even care any more and put the pictures of the aircraft wrong too. Funny because a nerd with no google and wikis make all the plane specs correct in original AI, down to autistic details.

>>97639679
Based.
At the time people would have screamed burning hindsight it was the smart play

>>97637499

Yeah, that's a solid Outcast backstory. Beast of a leader, 2 good champs, and a horde of mooks.

>>97640539
Honestly Epic Space Marine was fine when it was just the box set. The problems crept in when the expansions had to add special rules for every other unit. So instead of just squaring off and rolling dice, the ork player would be rolling on a chart to see how far the lifta-droppa moved a land raider before dropping it, or tracing line of sight to determine where a shot bounced off a forcefield and the imperial player would be tracking plasma dice for his Imperator titan.

>>97640231
Okay just wait until you get the dice burn out. You will hate blood bowl, trust me. You will realize it's a chore, not having fun.

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Are the Treachery of Gollum scenarios any good? Anyone have the book?

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>>97594772
I like Armageddon, it's the strongest imperial fleet imo. For every light cruiser you get a battle cruiser. Pairing a reserved in mechanicus endeavor with an Armageddon is stronk. Can throw in a few excellent marine escorts or strike cruisers.

>>97636752
I'm currently painting this terrain set but gonna do it in black/silver. Didn't think it through with black primer first though.

>>97643178
What exactly are you complaining about? That you can get fucked by the dice? That's the reason for rerolls, good positioning, making riskier rolls/blocks last and, most importantly, part of the fun

>>97643341
>I like Armageddon, it's the strongest imperial fleet imo.
WAACfaggotry.

Anyone here play Nurgle cultists in Necromunda? What would you say the best kits to buy for kitbashing Nurgle gangers would be?

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>another battle, another three dead gangers
I'm running out of "if it doesn't hurt it doesn't count", flock

>>97594772
I dont play sector fleet. Every class can be used in any sector.

>>97645641
Beside Outcast Mutants and using the poxwalker models?