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White Can’t Win edition
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>Previous Leon
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I've been enjoying this manga. The card is $20 but the manga was only $12. Profit??
It amazes me how many of these cards I know. I have half of them in my cube.
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The most powerful creature ever printed.
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>>97603374
So how come nipponnese MTG is straight but western MTG is gay as fucking fuck?
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>>97603449
We all know why.
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Thread Question: what was the first deck you made that was uniquely yours?
I made a blue/black deck back in the early 2000s based around Unnatural Selection and Engineered Plague. The Wall rules also made them inherently have defender so I was able to use Artificial Evolution when that was printed to turn the type Wall into Uncle Istvan. This allowed me to either kill my opponent's guys by changing them into whatever type the Engineered Plagues were set to (or legend in case they made a bunch of tokens), or make it so they couldn't attack me by setting them to Wall. It had basically all of my favorite cards in it, including Masticore, Nightscape Master, Fact or Fiction, and Scalpelexis.
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>>97603477
>what was the first deck you made that was uniquely yours?
A mono green deck. I noticed everyone liked playing 60 card multiplayer at my school. This was long before Commander existed. So I just made a green deck that ramps hard then floods the board with big green creatures. It worked out very well. Pic related was one of the many bombs. I would put rancor on it, for some reason nobody had sweepers like wrath of god.
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>>97603374
It's not too hard to get a hold of the manga if you order online, and some manga places do carry it. The profit's probably there because the manga's abysmally marketed.
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>Katsura Ise
>Takuma Yokota
The same people who made Onani Master Kurosawa, where a guy jacks off at the girls bathroom
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>>97603664
Nice. I'm pre-ordering the next few off Amazon. They're coming out pretty quickly, every few months. Not all the promos are worth much but at this point I just like reading it with the English cards. The fan translations have Japanese cards for the most part.
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>>97603672
It's still going to be over a year for the final volume so I figured I might as well while I'm here especially because things are so much cheaper in Japan. Plus Wrath is super easy to remember what it does since it's so iconic
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I love how there are people with a wide variety of complaints about these sets, and Mark Rosewater has such an easy time singling out the people specifically complaining that there's a tranny on one of the cards to discredit everyone.
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>I love how there are people with a wide variety of complaints about these sets, and Mark Rosewater has such an easy time singling out the people specifically complaining that there's a tranny on one of the cards to discredit everyone.
As it would turn out, every single concern that person had was accurate, too.
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>>97603477
my first deck was monored burn with 4 raging goblins, 4 lightning bolts and some other burn spell from the mirrodin block
I even had a copy or two of pic related because my child self thought "I need some sort of protection for when I'm not drawing burn"
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>>97603769
Everybody gets it, it's an old rhetorical tactic, you find a lone psycho and only address him to make your position seem less outlandish. It's like how when game developers do absolutely stupid shit they find a tweet from some guy saying "Kill yourselves" and go "DEATH THREATS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE GUYS". It became even easier with the advent of the internet, because you control the visibility of the people who can respond to you but you can pick any nutcase out of a crowd to respond to (especially when you're a large corporation).
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>orcs from Ixalan
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>>97603763
but which of these are the easiest to play for a total noob beginner? cause i don't believe you honestly expect me to pick up a Spy deck and know all the brazillion play patterns it can do with depending on the hand you got and which color land the opp played, just because it's technically in S tier?
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Why is MtG having a Marvel Superheroes set?
https://scryfall.com/sets/msc
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Call me sour but the fan translated version is so much better. The localization rewrites parts and bloated the dialogue some to "punch up" the script and it gets a bit tiresome. The fan translation flows better and is more accurate by far.
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>>97603449
For the same reason nips get cool promo and art and the west got shit.
MtG is not that popular in japan so they have to please the audience if they want to sell stuff. Meanwhile in the west, people are paypigs so there is no need to put any effort in the product
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>>97604187
They’re asian though so it’s acceptable. Only straight white men are the devil. Everyone else gets a holiday, DEI points when they apply for anything, they count as diversity hires etc. They had majority Asians at US Unis for a while because they’re as smart if not smarter than whites on average but also got DEI points or affirmative action or whatever the fuck the anti-white buzzword if the day is.
Final fantasy had no race swapping but I’m convinced that was also because of Squenix keeping them on a tight leash. Meanwhile the current Tolkien estate had Rings of Power happen on their watch. They’re just cashing in as much as possible before it becomes public domain.
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https://mtgdecks.net/Pauper/mono-red-rally-decklist-by-thebuilder-2817 887
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>>97604148
>going to Japan in 2 weeks
I hope I can get that version to pair with the phyrexian one
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At this point is useless to wish UB to fail
What needs to happen is that Rifbound and YGO should boom
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>>97604420
Their top three selling sets are all UB. The only question now is how long until UB are the only sets. I’m guessing until they get through everything they’ve already planned. Maybe 2-3 years then they’ll have some bullshit about the MtG story ending and do some asspull final set with all the famous characters coming back for one last hurrah.
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>>97604481
>Jace
>Loot
>Avacyn
>Sorin
>Chandra fully trooned out
>Liliana and Chandra full on scissoring
>Tarmogoyf
Idk, just some ideas. I bet Liliana gets a mastectomy next or some shit. Big boobs aren’t allowed anymore because god forbid they cater to the male gaze in a game that’s 95% biological males.
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>>97604417
ok but they're all pirates. bowmasters would look better in another plane such as Tarkir
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>>97604420
What decks do you play in Riftbound?
I have a Teemo deck, but most recently I have been playing the Rumble starter deck, (no modifications, just the starter deck as-is) and it seems strong enough on my Kitchen Table.
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>tfw not (un)willingly set up in an arranged marriage with a cyclops orc gf
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>>97604510
Obsessed lmao
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>>97604420
I want whoring out to external IPs to bite them in the ass with some legal bullshit preventing reprints and watching half the game become Vintage tier unaffordable with neo Reserv List full of intentional power creep
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>>97604730
Lucky for you we know the answer to that question
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>>97604784
This is the one I remember
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>riftbound
Shit is retarded, due to LoR and 2xko (fighting game fiasko) riot printed barely any boosters and every card is expensive as fuck in addition to being impossible to find (for me in e.europe at least, dont think it will change because my country is huge Dota2 whore)
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>>97604784
No pussy no work
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>Did anyone see the brain dead secret lair?
I wish i never did now
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>>97604528
Sure. Tarkir works. Fits the army amassing thing. I just want REAL MTG reprints of strong UB cards that have generic enough names for it. If they aren't cowards and hacks they'll even do it with The One Ring. (they won't)
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>>97605525
>Star Trek will likely be another small set
No, NO, I refuse to believe this
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>>97603477
I had an Esper control deck in modern around the time death's shadow first hit the scene. It was really funny to beat meta decks with logic knot, esper charm and cryptic commands looped with snappy. Had Sphinx's rev too it was really obnoxious.
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WotC doesn't like reprinting strong cards unless it's A: in a just as limited secret lair or B: the card has been power crept and is no longer relevant. They will never acknowledge it because it would catch them heat over anti gambling laws, but they ABSOLUTELY have a vested interest in keeping the secondary market high. They know UB is a functional reserve list and they know it keeps people cracking packs they otherwise wouldn't bother with.
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Explain why Force of Will is reasonable then.
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>>97605889
Because there are retards like you who don't even understand what they read, let alone actually having even a minimal clue about statistics.
>>97605853
Because force of will is card disadvantage that merely stops broken things from happening, it's easy to play around.
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>>97605907
quite literally the only recent major Legacy tournament was crushed by a Thalia/Stoneforge/Aether Vial D&T deck.
and you come on social media crying about how D&T is dead and unviable.
do you even follow the format, much less play it?
no one will take anything you have to say about it seriously
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Explain how a format where you can get FTK'd if your opening hand doesn't have Force of Will is too low power for Bowmasters.
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>>97605945
Do your own homework it has been explained over and over.
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>crushed
So you watched the games?
Also I'll repeat it since you don't have the IQ to figure it out, there's a reason why D&T went from a t1 deck to bouncing between t2-3, a single tournament doesn't prove anything, the performance needs to be constant because mtg meta has a fuck huge amount of factors to calculate when doing a metagame analysis.
The easiest way to do it is to take a timeframe of X and see the performance of the deck based around total picks vs top 8s and wins, repeat this process for all decks and then compare it. But this is also the superficial way to do it, if you wanted to understand why a deck performs bad or well you would need to do a meta analysis of each single card being played in different decks.
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How do you store your collection?
I'm thinking of putting my expensive stuff into clear perfect fit sleeves inside some white boxes. I don't intend on trading or displaying them, so no need for a binder. Then anything I want to part with goes in a binder for trades sales etc.
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>>97606005
lol so for you to cry about a deck being "dead" means "it's a tier 2 deck that won the biggest tournament of the year so far"
you should probably stop posting on social media, retard; no one will ever value what you have to say.
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>Sonic: The Hedgehog gets a full UB set
>It's main mechanical theme is chili dogs
>63 cards in the set feature art of Chili Dogs
>Five different legendary named Chili Dog artifact foods
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I'm going to be so sad when Duskmourn rotates out of standard and is forgotten...
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>Fortnite gets a full UB set
>It's actually one of the most challenging and rewarding sets to draft while being a mechanically amazing set in constructed (because Epic Games designed all of the cards and didn't let WotC blackwash Jonesy)
>League of Legends gets a full UB set immediately after
>Yuumi is printed at Common and proceeds to ruin every format including Vintage (because Riot designed all the cards)
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>>97606250
Seems to be the artist's art style.
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>>97607016
The fact that majority of players are spineless fat balding beta males that got easily pushed by trannies and fat ugly female lesbians that wanted to push their degenerate agenda?
Join me in my new hobby: woodworking
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How's the weather in Nebraska?
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>>97607247
>why is mtga marketing the ninja turtles set already? didn't lorwyn come out just a couple weeks ago? wtf?
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i like it :3
post fav land/land art
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>game is dominated by izzet spells shit and 0 iq G landfall
bros I don't feel so good...
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12 month cant be even divided properly for 7 sets
3 & 4 (3 sets + shitty core set you could skip) were perfect. I feel like wotc will force 12 sets per year soon.
Just imagine, new set released, you get in game, open pack, BAM spoilers start for new set
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>>97606005
You realize that was a tornament tuned to kick the shit out of UB tempo, right? Everyone decided "fuck tempo" game one, because this was a winners tournament, then sided into silver bullets game 2. But those white decks fold instantly to any wrath if people start packing them. The hot take is without tamiyo mystic forge and eldrazi are t1.
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If this new Star Trek show gets in the set I will buy product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHglCpZwgi4
(inb4 buy an add: I won't watch bad shows and but I do watch recaps and this is on topic for mtg now)(also I m making good by sparing anons from looking at gay klingon weeding)
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>>97607434
Crim loves UB because he's a little piggy and a ragebaiter and glazing UB lets him do both at once.
Richard has to put on a nice face for the sake of the business, but it's painfully clear that Magic is basically dead to him and he's just a spectator.
So that leaves Seth, who's tormented by the dissonance of desperately wanting to believe things can get better somehow while watching things get worse and worse. It's a testament to how fucking bad things are that even Seth's immense copium reserves keep running dry.
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>>>>>May
How can one simple word kill a design SO HARD?
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>>97607554
Red mill would have been cool.
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>>97607652
The downside of potentially giving them key pieces while sniping their creatures with burn?
Fuck yeah, it WOULD have been. One card (maybe with some extra support) could have been the beginning of an entire new archetype, but NO.
You can always trust WotC to fuck everything up and be shit.
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Orange Man Bad
BBB
Exile target while creature. Search target opponent's library for up to 3 copies of target creature and exile them. White spells your opponents cast cost 1 more for the remainder of the game.
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>Seth's mental state
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Favorite artifacts to copy?
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>>97607542
I imagine Richard actually likes it. He's very open about things when he thinks they're shit. Probably some form of nostalgia there, or he has hit pure nihilism about it and just finds it funny what has happened to this game.
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I like this card a lot because it is a fox and it has cute paws.
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>>97608085
TMNT has Ink-Eyes tier foxes.
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>>97608128
Fuck off, furfag tourist.
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Everyone that badmouths the turtle set will be shot on stream, as per WotC's updated guidelines
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>>97608259
To 4chan even associating with trannies is a mortal sin and makes someone an unforgivable wokester. The professor genuinely cares about the game and can see how much it is suffering. It breaks his heart. But he is also a paid WoTC shill, not in money but in access. He can only criticise so much or else he will lose his ability to cover things easily etc.Also I have it on good authority he fucked that tranny. I wish he'd just come out and say he's gay that would be more honest.
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>But he is also a paid WoTC shill, not in money but in access. He can only criticise so much or else he will lose his ability to cover things easily etc.
Wasn't he the guy who they notably didn't give previews to for ages because he regularly criticized them? It was real noticeable because there were tons of other smaller personalities who got stuff and he didn't get a single one. Did something change?
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Prof is fucking shill
>bitch about mtg dying
>dont leave it
>keep pumping out 0 production 10min videos 2 times per week about mtg
Whoever thinks he is "our guy" is degenerate. NEWSFLASH btw, magicAids is also not our guy.
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I'll say it: this set is a 10/10 masterpiece and one of if not the greatest magic sets ever made.
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>>97608443
I played only draft (reinstalled arena recently) but i have to say its probably most skill heavy draft in arena on my memory. I would gladly play it if it wasnt for Lorwyn art (i agree that drawings are hard and take skill, but i just find it ugly as sin)
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I'll say it: this set is a 10/10 masterpiece and one of if not the greatest magic sets ever made.
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Nowadays he just gives lukewarm takes that redditors can then nod their heads to while also doing the opposite that he is preaching. It kinda loses all meaning to complain how something is bad when you then proceed to do videos of you opening that product.
His content is also completely scripted these days, there are a few videos where he doesn't have a script for a portion and he can't even articulate his thoughts properly.
He used to do useful videos where he properly tested mtg accessories and gave honest reviews of them, now his content is just making the same safe videos over and over again. And even thought PleasantKenobi is a complete faggot, at least the podcast format they used to do was pretty nice to listen to because they actually talked about the game and had to elaborate on their opinions instead of reading them straight from a script.
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>>97608454
>its probably most skill heavy draft in arena on my memory
Is this bait? it's basically four playable tribes and everything else is meh. And elves/kithkin are way better than the other two as well. I guess in terms of actual piloting it's fine, but the drafting portion is pretty bad.
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>>97608483
I mean he can follow the gravy train, but then he shouldn't expect his opinions to be taken seriously. And he is the biggest mtg content creator right now, so him boycotting a set could actually send a good message for once if he had any integrity left.
But he'll just continue making the same videos over and over again while occasionally making videos of how something sucks, then proceeding to buy said product to open on it camera.
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>>97608171
>furfag tourist.
MTG is a game by furries for furries
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How is this 54% GIHWR?
Just got completely blown out by one card on a board where I had him completely dead.
Ok it's a 4 mana fog if you don't have a board, but the upside is straight up win a game if you have a few creatures on the board????
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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home.
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I'm considering putting together a cube for my bros as they mostly like drafting and casual commander between board game and ttrpg kicks. I'm glancing over some guides now but my biggest question is should it be designed with "rarity slots" in mind regardless of printed rarity? Like when we draft it and make the packs is is just completely random cards or is everyone getting a card from the "rare" stack, 3 from the "uncommon" stack and the rest from the "common" stack?
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>>97608679
>what will the poor sligh players do about it?
Win?
If opponent turn 01 is Ritual + Entomb +Reanimate they start at 12 life and dies to two bolts + fireblast.
Unless they exhume.
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>>97608562
Furries run this shit newbab
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>>97608754
You could at least post something classic like Mirri
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>>97608606
Go shill somewhere else, buy an ad
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wow this game fucking sucks. I came back because
>standard is the best its been in a long time!
and its nothing but izzet solitaire and green "remove literally every single card I play every single turn of the game or lose on the spot" landfall
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>standard is the best its been in a long time!
Please refer to the chart.
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>>97608763
But does mirri have sexy booba fanart? This could be checkmate, you know.
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>standard is the best its been in a long time!
lol
lmao
it's funny because it's true
it's true because it's slightly less of a completely fucking ungodly horrible abomination than it has been for the past decade.
standard is the best it's been in a long ass time and it's still the worst standard has ever been lmao
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>standard is the best it's been in a long ass time and it's still the worst standard has ever been lmao
This statement makes zero sense and somehow it still makes sense.
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>>97608620
If magic's truly turning to free-for-all casual format then I have no idea what's the point of hanging everybody on competitive game prices
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>>97608873
>Forgot about Kaito. Ban him too. Also forgot about the shitty Airbend infinite combo out of nowhere deck. Ban something from that too.
Cool, now you're left with Izzet Lessons being 95% of the format. It's still 100% functional without Monument, mate.
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>>97608901
>No it isn't. There's no win con if you get rid of Monument.
A) Hitting people in the face with 6/6 otters is a very good wincon.
B) Pic.
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>>97608928
>So play creature removal and play around Quench, which is usually their only counterspell. It's not that hard. It's much harder to Monument.
>"Gro just go 3 cards down in card advantage against a deck with Ancestral Recall!"
How do people get this stupid?
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Can I make a deck with just Final Fantasy cards? I don't care about MTG but I love Final Fantasy and want to play with a deck based on that property for a while
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>>97608951
The problem with lessons is that Monument provides an easy way to drain you for 6 damage in a turn cycle, 12 if they have two, while also drawing you cards and making you treasures. The deck is good, but not oppressively good if they don't have Monument. It's easy to remove creatures, much harder to remove artifacts.
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the insane thing is even if they had rotated everything older than foundations the game wouldn't even change right now. all the top tier decks just use the broken shit from 2025.
why even have a rotation if you're going to power creep the new sets so hard the old sets are literally useless
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>Draining you for 6 damage per turn cycle while also drawing you two cards and making you two treasures isn't a problem
Okay, retard. They're not going to win the game drawing three cards if all they draw is a 4/6 Flyer as long as you've got removal.
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>>97609034
>Cool, you drew a 1/2, a shock that can only hit creatures, a quench, and a sorcery speed roast. How do you kill me with those cards? Oh wait, you can't.
Even in your magical Christmas land where the deck capable of drawing its entire library reliably runs out of gas, I am still +4 card advantage (from ONE card) which is an extremely easy foundation to grind to a win from.
If you drop Monument, you're also dropping Talent, which is eight slots to swap out for other perfectly efficient wincons, Captain Retard. Losing Monument doesn't mean the declkist just goes down to 56 cards and continues to play without swapping to another core piece.
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>>97609055
>There is no fucking point of playing the entire Lessons package if you take Monument and Talent.
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>>97609068
Because it had two busted ass win cons in Cutter and Vivi, both of which are banned. And those decks weren't playing the fucking lessons package like you're claiming would still be good. Now, are you going to be a little bitch or not?
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>>97609075
>Because it had two busted ass win cons in Cutter and Vivi, both of which are banned.
The Lessons deck.
Had Cutter.
The deck with Lessons from the Avatar set...
had cards banned before the Avatar set came out...
Yes, of course.
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Back in Time Spiral standard, I had one fuckwit that only played Pickles (Brine Elemental tapdown combo) and brewed a deck specifically to troll him. The very first time I played it against him, I got him to return to monke. Objective complete, even if I did loose that game.
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>The very first time I played it against him, I got him to return to monke. Objective complete, even if I did loose that game.
I didn't have quite the same experience. I just sideboarded against Pickles heavily, but still.
Realizing that all I have are these dumbass sideboard bricks and I still have a 5/4 to deal with after stopping the combo was fun. Good times.
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>>97609130
>Because you do.
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>>97608443
If this is what constitutes as the GOAT then I'm honestly glad UB is taking over. This set blows and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't. Boring tribes, linear builds, somehow so awful it actually resurrected otherwise dead Spiderman cards in constructed. You can keep it.
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>>97609237
>Anon, only the arenababs use the term paypig.
Thats why we are based
I havent spend a single dollar on mtg since cummygawa, i draft when i want (for free) and what set i want (unlike constructards that must buy UB garbage to stay competetive)
I am part of cure, papertards are part of the problem. Also i am sure i am better than 99% players here (feel free to fight me in starter deck duels)
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>>97609378
Yep, this anon is right... What this game truly needs is more... TURTLES AND PIZZA!!! Come on WotC give the audience (of pigs) what the audience wants!!!
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There's a turtle in every pack guys!
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Who else is HYPED about turtles, bros? Best animals on earth.
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White strong?
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>>97604784
Is this your card Sir?
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>>97610270
>werewolf
It's probably just a curse or spell.
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>>97610071
>3 mana no ETB dies to the meta
Shit
>even more expensive do nothing dies to meta decks even if you’re on the play
Mega shit
>most highest mana cost and STILL kikety slow as molasses shit, you’re already dead by the time you cast it
Ultra shit
Kikes Hate White
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people will post garbage like this and claim white has ever been good
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>>97611161
>Why?
Mainly it stems from pre-FIRE design. Before Gavin Verhey and his team of kikes took over, the color pie was relatively balanced. Then somewhere between Dominaria and War of the Spark, design shifted harder into Commander based designs which inherently shits on White strengths.
At the same time, trump is in office and JOTC had concerns of maga voters (and old Magic grognards) making some kind of Freudian connection between white (the Magic color) and white the skin color, hence why every mono white human card has been a nigger or beaner since War.
So they systematically begin to strip white of everything that exemplifies its color pie share, hence the fabricated “white has an identity crisis” bullshit, to align its design with commander (no MLD, no taxing, no Balance) into catchup mechanics (Priest of Oghma, having less stuff)
Then came the obvious endgame; White wins through either Aggro or Control. Well, as they’re pushing the other Aggro colors Red and Green, White can never keep up because white can’t have haste or larger creatures so that part of its pie becomes irrelevant. So they leave it weak as shit.
Control; They won’t let white have a large chunk of counterspells or advantage like blue, so they just shit out a new worse Wrath every set and call it a day.
In the end, Gavin and his design team want to have all their broken UBRG bullshit without White keeping them in check, because as we all know kikes hate to have their power restricted, let alone their greed.
So when design philosophy is changed to promote power and greed over everything, that means the one color that would hinder them needs to be crippled forever.
Hence, kikes hate White
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>>97611306
>Not a single white card has ever been banned.
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>>97604202
>Final fantasy had no race swapping
Sure, just with no named characters. Remember these totally memorable BIPOCs when they appeared in their respective games???