>>97620845
If you're gonna troll at least use turtles or something new and not unbans from a year ago.

>TQ
A guy I play with put kinnan into his yuna precon.
Best I got.

Legalize wishes

I like building a deck as much as playing

>>97620806
I wouldn't say she's good, but she at least looks like a fun 2 or 3 deck for a under represented tribe

>>97620931
>bracket 2 or 3
All she does is make some snakes. You'll never get the second effect because you telegraphed it by having her in the command zone. So you will never be able to connect

>>97620937
>So you will never be able to connect
Yes anon, there's no way to make a snake blockable or go over the top with in green and black.

>>97620845
TQ: I put kinnan in my cascade deck to help ramp

>>97620944
Same logic applies to dark leo and shredder :)

>>97620963
So correct logic if you're trying to build a cohesive deck? You should say something intelligent before you attempt to be smug.

>>97620937
>telegraphed it by having her in the command zone. So you will never be able to connect
This applies to literally every commander. Might as well run a fucking mana dork commander at that rate

>>97620982
He's a retard anon just ignore him

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Any magic terms or concepts you struggle with? That anon explaining how nondeterministic storm works was pretty cool and it seems like a good time to share.

>>97620993
>this commander is different because it is

>>97621000
>Commander has a mechanic you life
>Build around the mechanic
No, its exactly the same, which its why its a retarded thing to say "this is bad because you need to do x"

>>97621018
Why is the gorgon bracket 3 when she relies on connecting but Leo and shredder are bracket 1 because they need to connect?

>>97621025
Why are you assuming I made such claims?
Are you a retarded schizo?

>>97620937
I'm annoyed she wasn't just a Golgari Ophiomancer in the command zone instead of what they did with her.

>>97620995
Yeah, how the fuck do layers work?

>>97620845
>TQ
b2 yuriko and winota can always go tribal while urza is very open ended
but imo it's hard to justify running kinnan in a slower environment where there are limits on infinites (no basalt monolith either cuz no 2 card combo lol) especially when his reputation makes him kill on sight therefore you're forced to run him to win or not at all, you can't run jank with the guy and expect to be given a pass

>>97620845
I've never played against it, but someone once told me about a Kinnan Attractions deck he runs. Kinnan is just there to dig through the deck to get the creatures that make Attractions.

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>>97620845
r8 my b2 yuriko

>>97621095
Stop playing against bad bracket 2 decks

>>97621174
Posted it again award

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>At 113 cards
>can't find any to cut
We're going to be here a while.

>>97621190
Its over. Remake the entire list

>>97621040
Things happen, but so the rules don't break they happen in specific layers.

>>97621206
But what is the order?

>>97620995
nondeterministic storm guy wasn't explaining magic concepts, he was explaining how to set up an engine. you can theoretically do this in any game if you can form a loop.
I don't know what he said with the acronym 'KCI' though.

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>>97621226

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Kind of surprised this ended up being half the value of the actual card.
Glad it did, because 20 dollars was a bit of a bridge to far, but still, though people liked and were hyped for benny.

>>97621215
1. values(copy effects, clone effects, morph, mutate, merge, etc.)
2. Control
3. Things that change text
4.Things that effect type
5.Things that effect color
6. Ability adds/ability removes/ability counters
7. Power toughness effects

>>97621254
Neat, thanks anon. Super helpful.

>>97621240
Lack of unique designs made me pass on the SL completely

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>forced black April cards
>Karai card is MEH
Never been more over

>>97620995
Layers. I kind of understand the concept but I can't fully wrap my head around it despite having it explained to me many times.
I've just resolved to never touch that system from a deck building standpoint and pray I don't need to run into that shit at my games.

>>97621294
>Jennika on a bunch of card arts
>is a garbage common I wouldn't even use in limited
Not sure why did they did that to some characters.

>>97621294
I do wonder why they made April black over Casey Jones.

>>97621294
Not terrible for an uncommon but nowhere near commander worthy at all, maybe like pauper
>>97621320
White ginger/redhead female character. Not even a schizo observation anymore, literally just fact they're trying to remove them from pop culture

>>97621294
Gonna just put this art over Yuriko as a proxy. Wizards can suck my fat cock

>>97621338
Ah right, they have been doing that for a while now.
Shame, April is hot but they sometimes make her look really bad in modern stuff.

>>97621320
She is black in the current series and movie from last year. It's probably that.

>>97621196
We're down to 108.

>>97621353
No, its wokeness, fuck you

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Convince me not to cannibalize my Tannuk deck for a Wandering Minstrel brew that utilizes his towns effect. I need those "you can play an additional land on your turn" effects and I don't want to pay $30 for duplicates of cards I already own.

>>97621190
Go the other direction. Cut all non lands, and add cards one at a time till you hit 100.

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This card wins me so damn many games. Incredibly hard to deal with.

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>>97621294
>>97621344
Done. Fuck Wizards

>>97621394
Future of her feet in my mouth

>unban most things
>bring back tuck
>strictly enforce no proxies in lgs play
>official leagues at each bracket or just cedh

>>97621402
That's gross anon

>>97621405
I'd quit so fast.

>>97621415
you weren't playing at the LGS anyway

>>97621405
>official leagues at each bracket or just cedh
this is the ultimate goal of brackets, yes
what, did /edhg/ actually think wotc made brackets just for shits and giggles?

>>97621418
You don't even play

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>>97621405
>Official leagues at each bracket
Unironically best way to kill the game once EDH players have to confront players running degenerate shit and WotC refusing to ban it because "Bracket 1 is flourishing. We're waiting for the meta to settle."

>>97621425
>Emblem lord effect on a +1
This looks awful to deal with if it ever managed to be remotely playable.

>>97621431
This is literally the reality Standard is dealing with where you can run 4x Kaito as your only Ninja. He's that good. He sees play in Legacy.

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>>97621437
Excellent future proofing from Wizards I guess. Who the fuck thought of an Emblem this good being this free.
They had the sense to make Chandra 6 mana for a similar snowball but this is so much cheaper for this kind of effect.

>>97621452
Fun with worldfire.

>>97621424
when wotc's done you definitely won't be

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>>97621405

>>97621405
Good up until crying about proxies

>>97621471
F2P people don't get to have their opinions heard though

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>built lucea kane to cast massive spells
>feels too easy to disrupt, slow to do anything
I'm going to pull her apart, what next: og titania, red green stompy with xenagos, or grand locus Iroh mind's desire / dragonstorm?

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>>97621452
wotc has always been careful with walkers that can boardwipe the creatures that can remove them, even today ugin remains unmatched in that area

>>97621478
based troll

>>97621460
It's a cool effect and it's low impact enough to be fair as a "free" stackable emblem. Good design, Kaito just reads like they didn't think about anything other than "We want to push this archetype super hard"

>>97621494
As they should be, Walkers that can protect themselves should be taxed somewhere for that.

Should I be a faggot and run fetches, both the good ones, and evolving wilds etc in my mono color decks?

>>97621548
if you're not going have any use for lands being in the graveyard there's no need to run fetches in mono color

>>97621548
It's optimal at almost all times but I wouldn't because it's extra shuffling and time wasted in an already slow format filled with time wasters. If you're not doing Landfall/GY stuff I wouldn't bother.

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>>97621548
Yes.

>>97621548
You'll know if you need them. If your deck has delve cards, landfall, recursion engines that can pick up lands, etc there's no reason not to max out on untapped fetches even if the benefit isn't huge due to low concentration in monocolor. Ash Barrens functions similarly (comes in "tapped" due to needing to spend a mana for cycling) while also being able to be played as a colorless untap. Monocolor cycling lands are okay.

>>97621548
>>97621584
I meant to compare Ash Barrens to Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse. I wouldn't play those unless you're in a landfall deck.

play

two headed giant

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I don't really get what this wants to do in the command zone. A deck that blinks or bounces to hand a lot doesn't seem like it benefits a ton from tokens that add counters that they'll lose upon blinking.

>>97621846
Some legendaries do better in the 99. He probably is because counters without green is a rough spot to be.
You could lean into sacrificing. Kuldotha Forgemaster would love having cheap artifacts to throw away.
The Ozolith, Buzzard Wasp colony, Iron Apprentice, modular, and stuff like Power Conduit let you shuffle counters around.
Persist likes him, but Cauldron of Souls, Puppeteer Clique, and Persistent Constrictor are probably the only worthwhile options.

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>>97621405
What the fuck would a bracket 1 league even look like? Even the most casual decks and your average precon accidentally stumble up to bracket 2. You'd have difficulty rounding up 4 guys in an LGS who even have a bracket 1 deck.

>>97621907
>>97621846
Actually I'm retarded. Character select Michalangelo the Heart. Woodfall Primus + Splinter + Sac Outlet is 1 mana blow up a non creature permanent. If it's phyrexian / ashnod's altar you just blow up every nonland permanent you want. If you go red madcap kills everyone. Blue gives you river kelpie which is insane draw.

>>97621379
keen sense
simple as

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I'm not sure if it could work but he seems like a fun weird color swap deck.

>>97621353
They explicitly used art styles and character versions from all over the tmnt timeline, with a card even referencing the various artsyles and putting them together. They also have several different card versions of April, yet none depict most popular and famous appearance, and the one that would most resonate with the nostalgic millennial target audience. Curious.

>>97621478
same can be said of esl shitskins like you.

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>guy who keeps board wiping keeps whining that his sanguine blood combo pieces keep getting exiled because he’s against 3 green
>actually pouts when reanimating skeleton and gravecrawler get swords
>uses board wipe #6 and complains the game is taking too long (2 hours)
>cast pic rel and remove every wincon/high value pieces and the rest of his board wipes left in his deck
>he actually starts to tear up and scoop

Have you ever defeated someone spiritually/mentally?

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Any recommendations? I decided to break up one of my modern decks to make a commander deck. Ideally I want to stay in bracket 3.

>>97622734
This didnt happen.

>>97621392
Best mono white commander. Slap a Gift of Immortality on that sucker and you basically win the game if you also have a sac outlet.

>>97622772
When I say ‘tear up’ it’s not he was crying, but you can see his eyelids are a bit wet due to anxiety or something. You can run this, denying wind, extract, the bitter one i cant recall. Combo/control players instantly fold and crash out. Its the only reason I run one typically

Your post didnt happen

>>97622768
needs ash barrens

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>>97622827

>>97622768
Not much to suggest there, eldrazi are very straightforward and boring. I've started taking my Zhulodok apart

>>97622768
>mana vault, one ring
>ugin, especially eye of the storm
>ancient tomb
>eldrazi good stuff
>land denial

that's a 4. That's pretty much edhrec slop to be optimized to 'fit' a 3 by limiting to 3 gamechangers, but it's much faster.

If you want to have fun with eldrazi and be closer to a 3, you should pick azlesk or ulalek and play more like dinosaurs with some of the more interesting eldrazi critters.

>>97622924
Dont trick a man like that you crazed dork. He built a perfectly competent middling deck and you're just straight up lying to him because whatever you're doing is worse.

>>97622924
>That's pretty much edhrec slop to be optimized to 'fit' a 3 by limiting to 3 gamechangers, but it's much faster.
Not that guy, but isn't that the point? You try to cram in as much stuff that's allowed in the bracket. I will agree though that there is a world of difference between someone minmaxing a bracket and "that guy who kinda slapped stuff together."

>>97622935
Yes, a deck build correctly will always be better than a deck built incorrectly with compromises.

>>97622916
>boring
I personally enjoy going absolutely ham with archnemesis decks (e.g. Eldrazi, Slivers, etc). Either I lose because I got piled, or I win because I balled out of control and 3 people couldn't stop me. It also helps that my pod and my LGS in general are absolutely traumatized by Eldrazi and Slivers.

>>97622935
except it's not. You aren't meeting the requirements for the bracket, you are literally being meme'd on because you are under the impression that the only constraint to abide by is '3 game changers'.

secondly, this is a mario party format

>>97622964
Begone lesser mage, your complaining is of no use to anyone.

>>97622968
There are literal rules, I'm informing him that if he sits down at a table with that deck saying it's a 3, he's going to look like a pubstomping bitch, because it doesn't fit under the definition.

>>97622973
That is your opinion, and your opinion is irrelevant because you lack the judgement, accumen, and critical thinking required to come to a conclusion like that.

>>97622964
>>97622973
Anon, the rule literally is 3 GC or less for Bracket 3. I get what you're saying (a powerful optimized deck that touches the upper limit of the bracket against some junk deck that'sbasically a precon), but anyone can optimize for the bracket.

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>>97622968
>>97622981
>I want this to be a 3
>This is why its not
>Okay, retard that is just your opinion

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>>97622983
>>97622981
Which of these do fits that deck better?

>#1
Decks to be lethal, consistent, and fast, designed to take people down as fast as possible
Game Changers that are likely to be fast mana, snowballing resource engines, free disruption, and tutors
Win conditions to vary but be efficient and instantaneous
Gameplay to be explosive and powerful, featuring huge threats and efficient disruption to match
Generally, you should expect to be able to play at least four turns before you win or lose.


#2
Decks to be powered up with strong synergy and high card quality; they can effectively disrupt opponents
Game Changers that are likely to be value engines and game-ending spells
Win conditions that can be deployed in one big turn from hand, usually because of steadily accrued resources
Gameplay to feature many proactive and reactive plays
Generally, you should expect to be able to play at least six turns before you win or lose.

>>97622964
>secondly, this is a mario party format
I fucking hate this argument, especially because I've seen it happen in real life as a cope.
>play at LGS
>we all agree on bracket
>one guy's deck is a total mess with basically no goal or identity
>he gets knocked out fast
>begins whining about how everyone else is "tryharding" and how he just "wants to have fun"
>gets told winning is fun
>"bro not like THAT I just want to do the thing that's how you have fun"

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>>97622983
>the rule literally is 3 GC or less for Bracket 3
Wonder why it has more text than just 3 or less gamechangers

>>97622990
>>97623009
Those arent rules. They're vibes, you shitposting cretin.

>>97622999
The second one. It's a big goofy eldrazi deck.

>>97623009
>3GC
>Players expect decks to be powered up with strong synergy and high card quality
Anon, you might be retarded.

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>>97623022
>>97623007
unironically, actually, legitimately. what is wrong with you? You should have enough self awareness to know that 1. This is the kitchen table format. 2. The bracket rules are the explicit 'vibe'/expectations. selectively ignoring them means you should go 'oh I dont use the bracket system' instead of dishonestly stating something and selectively picking what you want. You shouldn't be upset when you trick someone.

>>97623028
yeah, "goofy" I can tell by the inclusion of the more creative design space eldrazi you picked and not just every value engine like the one ring, mana vault, ancient tomb, eye of the storm. I know titans are fun, but value engine decks like this are brutal and efficient, it's not going to be the most insane 4, but it's going to crush most decks unless they explicitly all gang up on you. Then it's not going to be very fun for you.

I legitimately, have seen a person play this deck, echoes of eternity turn 2, then ugin turn 3 and exile everyone's shit. Do what you want, but I'm letting you know that if you sit down at a table and say this is a 3, people are going to be a bit butthurt.

>>97622999
>#1
>as fast as possible
In what universe are Eldrazi fast? They're lethal fuckers for sure, but with 10+ cmc they are definitely not fast.

>>97623007
nice strawman you rigged up once again.

>>97623074
I'm not even part of the Eldrazi discussion. I'm an even worse persona: I used a First Sliver deck to smash everyone's faces in on turn 5 in Bracket 3.

>>97623056
Wow. That is sure a lot of random assumptions scaring this poor modern player off with your unrepentant faggotry. This is not "brutal" or "efficient", it is an eldrazi deck of average strength and theming that you are crying about because you are worse than that; the faggot's bargain, and the worst part about the format.

Go on anon, share with us one of your decks.

>>97622964
>mario party format
>STOP USING METAKNIGHT IN MELEE! YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS!!
That's you btw and yes you are retarded

>>97623009
>play atleast 6 turns before losing

So gay. People hide behind this as an excuse for not blocking jack shit turns 1 - 5.

>>97623009
How many players does land denial have to affect before being classified as mass land denial?

>>97623097
>it is an eldrazi deck of average strength and theming
I've seen a lot of people cry because they try to run a shit pile with a GC in it, thus making it bracket 3. The issue is they invariably end up against someone who is running a super optimized deck, and they then cry about how that person is a meanie for not playing a slop pile.

>>97623113
MLD is stuff that nukes the entire board, not targeted destruction like strip mine.

>>97623116
Yup, all the time. And the correct response is to shrug, and tell them to fuck off, as happened in this thread just now.

>>97623116
I dont understand these people. Simply dont run the GCs and go down a bracket.

>>97623121
Well sure but if I WInter Orb with a Clock of Omens out so I don't get fucked over do I get to hide behind the technicality of it not being mass land denial because it only affects three people and not four?

>>97623143
I think if you play those cards the proper solution is suicide

>>97623143
>>97623121
Nah the rule is some nebulous faggotry about 4 or more lands, making pox mld.

>>97623147
>laughs in stasis
I have fully foil stax pieces.

>>97623152
Do you have a foil 7th Static Orb? If yes, can I have it?

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>>97623163
Yes, yes I do actually. No you cannot have it, it's my favorite card in the history of magic.

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How does someone enjoy playing a deck like this, playing 3 edict effects per turn until everyone scooped out of boredom after 6 turns of that shit with no end in sight. Like please just fucking kill us already. Dude was indian btw

>>97623179
>No you cannot have it
Tragic. Nice card though, do you currently run it in any deck?

>>97623180
Thats why hes in the 99 of my Vincent deck that I hardly ever run

>>97623180
I fucking love being a piece of shit and just stacking his emblem.

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>>97623190
Of course, it's in my ancient outdated mostly foil urza deck. I should really update it now rhat I dont have to worry about it being "competitive".

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>>97623056
>i have legitimately seen players go t1 gravecrawler t2 blood artist t3 warren soultrader killing everyone
>this means aristocrats are totally broken and is cedh tier

>>97623180
I don't even bother with edicts or shit like that, why bother when it's totally possible for my opponents to not play creatures? Naw, my deck is totally self-sufficient, all I need you for is to die, so I can get the win. I also LOVE stacking his emblem, shit is so cash.

>>97623252
How much butthurt do you get for running high value cards like Grim Monolith? I've seen people get shit at my LGS for using true duals.

>>97623180
I like the character so I made the deck

>>97623281
>I've seen people get shit at my LGS for using true duals
Did the guy tell them they're real? Did the LGS have any reason to believe otherwise?

>>97623281
Really? ABURs are such a mild upgrade over shocks (outside of 5c) I find that weird. But most people dont care, and I'm usually so excited to talk about my favorite cards in that deck it's kind of hard to shit on me. Mox diamond is what, like a $1000 USD? Cant say anyone has ever been butthurt, but I usually save that deck for when I play with high quality players.

>>97623297
>>97623303
They were 100% real, given he's in his late 50s and has been playing since the summer days. He even got all his duals from opening packs. People at my place seem to get salty if you use expensive cards for whatever reason.

Personally, I'm a poorfag who has to cope with shocks and fetches.

>>97623310
>People at my place seem to get salty if you use expensive cards for whatever reason.
They do have a reason, though misplaced
The idea is that they know mtg is a pay to win game and so if you're rich enough to have duals you're also rich enough to buy the "strong in casual's minds" b2 staples (exquisite blood, grave pact, etc) and you're going to stomp them
Personally i'm fine with duals in b2, i just wouldnt use them because imo duals arent to be sullied in a daily driver b2 prius

>>97621240
It's a reskinned nickname card for a mono color commander with a build around mechanic most players hate and will target over. It shouldn't be that high to begin with.

>>97623310
Scribble on a basic with a sharpie. The gold border islands arent "legal", it doesnt matter. But that being said, it is a really good feeling to spend years saving for a card and searching for it only to finally get it. Like I dont care how expensive cardboard is, I'm not selling it.

>>97623315
Magic isnt pay to win at all, the level where you can pay to win is honestly fairly low. Not to talk shit, the cardboard is insanely expensive, it's pay to play and like they say about vintage, once you have all the staples a new deck is only $100.

>they pay for overpriced cardboard
>they don't just buy from Chang and then double sleeve it so no one can tell

>>97623335
>the level where you can pay to win is honestly fairly low
that doesn't have a bearing on whether it's p2w or not. if paying a dollar in a phone game gives you a massive advantage, it's still p2w regardless of whether or not it's only a dollar.

>>97623343
You can usually tell if you care to look. Some people just like having nice things they are attatched to. Yadd yadda Walter Benjamin and aura.

>>97623345
It's pay to play chum, like golf. You only can go to the driving range or play mini golf, but you cant play on a course without a full set of clubs.

>>97623362
Most people also dont like to pretend that they're something else
I *could* wear fake balenciagas and rent a porsche every time i go outside, but i dont because i'm not a pretentious person
>but muh game pieces!
Mtg can never be reducible to just "game pieces"

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>>97623281
People would also get salty if shocks and fetches were as expensive as true duals. It's Timmybrain thinking that just because something is expensive/reserve list/actually rare that it's somehow powerful and will give you a leg up over others therefore people shouldn't play it.

99% of the people who would complain about someone tossing out a true dual stuff Sol Ring into everyone of their decks without a moments thought. If wizards printed true duals and the other popular non-basics with the same consistent frequency as Sol Ring nobody would give a fuck.

Artificial scarcity was the worst thing to ever happen to this game. Fuck investards.

>>97623343
I'm not a poor copefag and can afford to engage with my hobby of choice.
You can reply as much as you want with nonsense, but ultimately, the reason is always the same. You are poor and that's why you don't buy cards.
A cardboard box with porsche written on it is not a porsche, a man in a dress is not a woman, and your cards are not cards.
You know they aren't, which is why you need to lie about them instead of just writing plains on a swamp. You don't want people to know you are poor and that's more important to you than playing at your wallet level or having the honesty to say "these are proxies."

You are more of a coward than the guy with proxy of a toph twerking.

>>97623377
>Most people also dont like to pretend that they're something else

Fucking lmao what an out of touch shut in NEET belief

>>97623439
Takes one to know one huh?
Glad to see you were honest for once, proxyfag

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Speaking of, I caught the fomo and probably over paid for this today. It will probably be down to 5 dollars or less than a month, but whatever.

>>97623377
Anon, I was saying some people like to have real cards, because being in the presence of a real card is to be subject to the aura and conditions around creating that specific object, as well as its history. You dont get that with a proxy; you have to make it yourself. But, I'd rather more higher quality players with fake cards than the opposite.

>>97623254
If you have tutors and can consistently do that, it's bracket 4 and probably closer to cedh, yes.

If you buy a precon, but don't do anything to it other than optimize the mana base, is it still a 2?

>>97623456
I often wonder when the current pice spiked card's settle's back down because I grabbed the Elemental pre con and sure in hell aen't going to pay 45 dollars for Animar

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I love when yourepoorfag gets so booty blasted by their retarded beliefs getting dunked on that they start compulsively (You)ing the thread. All we need is PDS spam posting that everyone is a pedo to have a truly blessed edh thread.

>>97623486
>I am getting so roasted I will (you) deny and claim victory
A classic. You are in fact poor however. Cope.

>>97623485
Depends on the cards availability, the commanders popularity, how strong it actually is, etc.

Some go up never come down, but most fall back to close to their original pricing maybe a dollar or two more expensice

>>97623485
That one might take awhile since it arguably is the best card for that commander that everyone is in love with atm.
Fucking 3 people in my regular pod built her..

>>97623500
>>97623498
Right out of the box its incredibly good. Its easy to lose track of your boardstate with how easily it fills the battlefield along with tons of ETB/LTB triggers.

>>97623482
Define "consistent"
Is 8% chance to win t3 (same odds to have a t1 sol ring) fair? What about 10%? 15%? 20%?
Gavin wants to allow rube goldberg 5 card combos to happen early game in casual but there'a a reason LGSs have default to a blanket "no infinites/thoracles/locks before turn X"

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>>97623252
>null rod
>cursed totem
>back to basics
>trinisphere
>static orb
>winter orb
>k4rn
>warset
>imprisoned in the moon
>fetches in a monocolour deck

>>97623515
>fetches in a monocolour deck
Deck thinning good.

>>97623521
It seems like he's using them for mystic sanctuary, if I had to guess. But the whole thing absolutely activated my neurons and left me with more questions than I have answers. Why would you put null rod in urza?

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>>97623468
>real cards

Proxies are real cards. When I put down a Dark Ritual, whether I cracked it from a pack, bought it as a single, printed a jpeg off my computer, wrote Dark Ritual in sharpie on a swamp, or ordered a 1:1 LEA bootleg from chang, when I tap a black mana and put that card down the table agrees that I now have 3 black mana. That's the textbook definition of real.

>because being in the presence of a real card is to be subject to the aura and conditions around creating that specific object, as well as its history.

Genuinely pathetic and cringe. Imagine getting weak kneed at Product. It'd be one thing if someone whipped out the Tundra Max Hardcock played in the deck he used to win the first Magic tournament, it's a whole other thing for somehow to whip out a random Tundra that they bought or cracked from a pack. It's a piece of cardboard product with no history behind it besides maybe a personal story about how the owner opened it in a pack back in 1996 (which hey, neat I'll listen to you wax nostalgia about it but I'm not losing my mind over it). There's a reason why nobody gives a fuck about the millions of baseballs made in 2007 except for the one that Barry Bonds hit for his 756th home run.

>>97623525
Yeah that I can't explain. I don't see a tinker or something of that sort in the list to easily sac it off.
Cursed Totem and the like I can kind of get, you don't HAVE to play for the activate effect on Urza if the cursed totem is stopping an opponent from playing the game but NUll Rod is a bit of a head scratcher to me.
cEDH remains an enigma to me.

>>97623542
>proxies are real cards
>men in dresses are women
>anchor babies are genuine us citizens
Uh oh lib melty

>>97623542
>Proxies are real cards.
They aren't, if they were you wouldn't be making the distinction at all. Everything after that is just cope and can be written off.

>>97623525
>>97623549
Urza can tap artifacts for mana through null rod. You can also bounce it with hurkyl's or whatever if you need it, and combo pieces under null rod tend to stick around. Now you know.

>>97623542
If they were real you wouldnt have to assert that fact to other people, stupid

>>97623549
5c sisay is top tier that's why cedh plays null rod

>>97623542
He's talking about semiotics and "Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction", which isnt quite Baudrillard and the Hyperreal or Deleuze/Guttari, but a fairly well known book that addresses your exact point (why would someone want something when you can get something else that looks like it more easily).

>>97623562
I meant cursed totem lol my bad

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I'm thinking of building Galazeth so I have a question for anyone here who's done the same.
Where should I start drawing the line on hate pieces to avoid getting hated out of the game just for putting them down. I know casting shit Winter Orb is going to make me public enemy number 1 but stuff like this or Vexing Bauble will probably only piss off one guy who's about to pull some bullshit anyways.
Is running a bunch of somewhat soft stax artifacts to double as rocks a decent idea or am I going to be nuked on repeat for daring to put down a Vexing Bauble?

>>97623566
>why would someone want something when you can get something else that looks like it more easily
watch proxyfags become the biggest defenders of intellectual property once you bring up AI art

>>97623557
>Urza can tap artifacts for mana through null rod
Alright yeah that makes sense, I forgot Urza himself does it and it's not giving your artifacts the ability to do it so unless you have both a Null Rod and a Cursed totem out you're fine.

>>97623576
So you ignored all the philosophy and picked the tl;dr? Cool man.

>>97623573
if you're legitimately building your deck in a way that doesn't care about your stax pieces, you're at least in a position more people are OK with than the current urza discussion.

>>97623584
I await your stunning defense on why corpo ip bad but artist ip sacred

>>97623593
Perhaps you should read the book. It adresses not exactly this, but the spirit of the debate.

>>97623605
The fact that you cant even opine on the question only proves my point lol

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>>97620845
Thanks op, I can finally post my the hated.deck

>>97623617
Why are you picking a fight with someone smarter than you? IP is irrelevant to the discussion because the authenticity of the artist's experience and history as well as the cultural impact of the object itself is what's discussed. AI doesnt have that. If AI gets banned, it might acquire a gestalt version.

>>97623626
>the authenticity of the artist's experience cannot be used as a basis for their intellectual property, no sir amazon's lotr is just as valid as tolkien's world war inspired lotr
Lol
Parroting a book doesnt make you smart fyi

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>>97623643
That has nothing to do with what you just read. IP is legal protection for monetization. Aura is contained within the object. Amazon's interpretation is just as valid. It also happens to be shit, hence not as good.

>>97623573
Does this stop card that are like "look at the top x cards of your library, you may put one of them onto the battlefield?" They are still technically in the library they are just revealed, right?

>>97623671
Yeah, If it doesn't move to exile or hand this will block something moving directly from deck to field.

>>97623007
I hate players like that. If you just want to do the thing then go play solitaire by yourself scrub. No one is obligated to sit around with their thumbs up their asses while you durdle.

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>>97623007
>"bro not like THAT I just want to do the thing that's how you have fun"
Every time I hear this shit its from retards playing shit like Krenko or Zada where letting them Do The Thing means them going from 0 to Mach 5 in one turn rotation.
>Wahhhh stop wiping my board, what is my deck supposed to do!
Not my problem, faggot. Sorry Im smart enough to know how fucking crazy your deck can go if I dont pay attention.

>"Why do you always have interaction to stop my combo when its about to happen but no one ever stops yours?"
>Also that player "so I drew this removal and I immediately cast it on the thing that is the most scary. Oh, you cast faithless looting? I counter it with offer you can't refuse that I just drew on my turn."

>>97623787
>"Why do you always have interaction to stop my combo when its about to happen but no one ever stops yours?"
Because I keep tabs on open mana, the number of cards in peoples hand, and how to bluff out interaction/countermagic on bullshit I want you to think looks scary but isnt.

The instant windmill slamming pisses me off to no end, especially when the throw it at some bullshit when someone clearly has some insane bullshit commander that will obviously be played in the next turn cycle.

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>>97623787
>"Why do you always have interaction to stop my combo

>>97621553
Sure there is. Sometimes something you need gets tucked, or placed on the bottom of your deck. Shuffling gives you a chance. Also with things like Divining Top or other cards that care about the top cards of your deck, sometimes you need a way to shuffle. I run at least one in each mono colored deck.

>>97622734
Badass. I've done it with that card too late-game. Just completely left someone with draw, ramp and lands.

>>97623919
I prefer putting cards for proactive reasons not for the off chance that someone could manipulate my top deck, and top itself isnt an auto include even in tricolor with fetches

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What bracket is my deck chuds

>>97623965
what large eyes your cats have

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>>97623965
Better pic

>>97623981
>saruman
Slop bracket, Swine

>>97623981
The cats are cute though

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>turn 2 guy plays bauble burglar
>Turn 3 plays dark deal
Bracket 3 is a fucking joke

>>97623965
I do enjoy the cats.

>>97624017
Tell him he is a gay homo who should be running Tourach instead.

>>97623965
>>97623981
3. It's big and splashy but not particularly optimized. The One Ring is pulling a lot of weight. You'd need to rebuild it pretty heavily to bring it up to a 4.

>>97623965
>>97623981
Bracket -1: Universes Beyond garbage

>>97623981
>>97622768
same bracket then?

>>97624051
Yeah, almost exactly.

>>97623542
Proxies are not real. My lgs does not allow them and that's a good thing

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>>97624057
Maybe it’s more of a disability than lying, apologies

>>97624074
>My lgs does not allow them
Insane policy.
Warhammer World in Nottingham doesn't allow unpainted minis on the tables because in theory they might take pictures of play in the main hall, but even then the staff are usually too lazy to enforce it

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I want to punish nonbasics who should I build

>>97624086
>but even then the staff are usually too lazy to enforce it
Judges are usually too spread thin to enforce stuff like that. Some large tournies have like 1 judge for every 50 players.

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>>97624094
This little fella.
>Price of Progress
>blood moon
>magus of the moon
>ankh of mishra
>mana barbs
>Burning Earth
>ruination
>throw in some MLD and a Dingus Egg and have fun

Proxy copefags will be made into ropefags if (when really) commander becomes a sanctioned format.

>>97624143
>sanctioned kitchen table
lol, lmao even

>>97624149
All of magic is kitchen table, but yet still has sanctioned formats.
They aren't spending money and office hours to make brackets just for discussion for the largest format in their game. They aren't putting out feelers for hybrid mana changes just because the idea is neat to them.

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>>97624143
It's a matter of time before commander becomes a sanctioned format, and that's probably a good thing. EDH2 will be born of the ashes as a casual format that will reject modernity and return to tradition. No proxies. No UB slop. Just big splashy fun and thematic battlecruiser decks allowed. Just as Richard Garfield Ph.D. intended.

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>>97624187
Also to increase diversity, there will be a committee and general-czar that will enforce reserved general for your sector. Better claim your general now!

>>97624206
I'm calling dibs on Sir Shandlar of Eberyn.

>>97624136
I'm not talking about tournaments, that's just a blanket rule to use the tables at Warhammer World.

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>>97624143
Sanctioned Commander would unironically kill the game immediately once casuals are forced to play against autists trying to win at all costs every game. Look at what happened to Premodern the attosecond it went on MTGO and Stiflenought shot up in play/win rate.

>>97622734
>Guy tries to blow up my crawlspace with generous gift
>Ask him if he really believes my artifact is worth more to destroy than another anon's spike feeder he keeps gaining massive life off every turn, or another guys kuja who keeps pinging all of every turn.
>Well, I can't finish them off, but if I can attack you with all my board I can kill you and at least won't come in last.
So I played radiant performer targeting his generous gift for his inability to read a board and running that shit card.

>>97624295
>Calls Generous Gift shit
Cringe
>Radiant Performer as divine retribution
Based enough to fully cancel out the former plus a lot extra

>>97624094
Now that is a sexy homosexual flying lizard

>>97624295
I cannot understate how much I hate that shit.
>me and two others
>guy A is about to pop off and kill everyone
>I tell B I have the solution, just cover me for a turn
>play Mana Vault to get the mana ready
>B destroys my Mana Vault
>don't have enough mana
>I die
>B dies next turn
>tell B he screwed both of us
>"well Mana Vault is really scary man, I have no clue what you'd do if we both survived A"
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>97624272
>[laughs in prize support]

A lot of the normalfags at my LGS just have a habit of scooping randomly inthe middle of games.

>Oh my friend just walked in? Scoop!
>Oh I just realized I havent eaten in 3 hours and I'm a fatass? Scoop!
>Oh I'm a retard and I'm locked out of the game because I kept a bad hand? Scoop!

I've recently gotten in the habit of just scooping in unison whenever this happens. It's generally better and more fun to just kill the game immediately and start a new one than try to salvage whatever's left. It also teaches the normalfags the consequences of their selfishness. I'd highly recommend.

>>97624349
Nta, but I can understand why he would be worried, but still one of those situations where he could have held off the removal until the board was cleared

>>97624382
My friends started calling me "scoopy poopy" due to how much I scooped. I've started to scoop less

>>97624187
You already have your format, it's called PreEDH (which also is automatically bracket 1 along with precons)

>>97622734
With that same card, actually. I was borrowing a modified mono black precon from a friend. Don't remember what I was playing against other than a janky 5 color superfriends deck with really awful mana. I cast a kicked sadistic sacrament vs the superfriends player and saw everything in his hand was red but he had no red mana. Counted up every red source of mana in his deck and exiled them. Guy started screaming about how he hates the game and was going to quit playing magic.

>>97624229
Keep in mind that such policies arent intended to catch hooligans, but to put the fear of public shaming back into people's hearts
Yes the TO is overloaded and yes the staff would be lucky to do a couple of deckchecks per round and yes odds are they'll never catch you but are you really that foolish to blatantly break no proxy rules and risk being outed as a shameless nigger to the local community? Lol

>>97624471
I'd be fine getting outed as someone that doesn't give WotC money.

>>97624272
>laughs in bw midrange that can swords a dreadnought np

>>97624475
Ok shameless nigger lol

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>come across a video of a pod where everyone's commander starts with the same letter and they go through the whole alphabet
This a thing? The 26 deck A-Z challenge is the hotness

>>97624380
Prize support didn't keep people playing Vintage or even Legacy.

>>97624496
Yes, it did. Until wotc made the pro tour standard only.

>>97624485
How many options can there really be for letters like Q and Z?

>>97624517
There are two, soon to be 3 quinterious version.
There are at 3 three other legendaries that are Queen X.
All I got off the top of my head

>>97624517
Something like 13 q and 70 z.

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Apparently there is 250 options for commanders that start with A
>>97624517
Amount of commanders that start with each letter of the English alphabet according to Scryfall
>A: 250
>B: 135
>C: 118
>D: 107
>E: 111
>F: 61
>G: 188
>H: 98
>I: 76
>J: 93
>K: 211
>L: 130
>M: 209
>N: 91
>O: 78
>P: 84
>Q: 15
>R: 174
>S: 326
>T: 409
>U: 41
>V: 81
>W: 37
>X: 14
>Y: 40
>Z: 70

>>97624475
>I will freely and happily be free advertising for them while supporting china however
You're an even worse cuck for that.

>>97624272
>people can only have fun and police themselves if they are kept ignorant of cutthroat decks
>this also follows that humanity as a whole would be better behaved if they were just kept ignorant of certain inconvenient truths
This really reveals (You) as a person more than anything else

>>97624559
Thank you for your autism anon

>>97624566
Ignorance is bliss, yeah

>>97624559
neat
seems slightly more interesting that the colour decks

>>97622961
The boring part is that there is almost no room for individuality in a zhulodok deck, they all are exactly the same

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Commanders by 1st letter in their name, bar graph form

>>97624566
>>people can only have fun and police themselves if they are kept ignorant of cutthroat decks
Yes. This is literally the case. People already show up to casual Commander night with cEDH decks to win $10 in store credit. Once prizes are on the line grinders will aim to collect. You will see Tymna everywhere which exposes how the format rules are totally nonfunctional and were left to rot under 15 years of Sheldon coping that players can self-regulate.

>>97624602
I feel this way about Auntie Ool. I kinda want to make a burn deck with cards that make all of your damage have wither just to try and be different, but I don't know if I have the patience or money to make it consistent.

>>97624617
how much of the the "T" column is "The"

>>97624618
Correct and with that in place casuals will be spared from making fools of themselves and just stay in their lane, in this case their basement, which is 100% where they play anyway
Sanctioned brackets will only segregate casuals from sweats which is the ideal scenario to begin with, sheldon's bleeding heart was a mistake and only filled casuals with delusions and bad takes

>>97624563
you pay taxes to billionaires that fuck and eat children I fail to see how giving it to bugmen is much worse

>>97624617
x-chads get in here

>>97624626
Very quick count 210 with unofficial commanders, 112 if you dont. apparentally scryfall includes random event cards but I think T is the only letter that is heavily inflated by this most likely

>>97624689
I pay taxes for the infrastructure of all of america from town, to state, to national.
I wouldn't expect a proxyfag to understand what taxes are for and how they work, but still god damn. Read a book.

>>97624689
Welcome back epstein brained anon did /ptg/ chase you away again

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>>97624617
You are my new favorite anon. I love you.

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>>97624711
You pay taxes to Israel goy

>>97624617
You'd think in a fantasy setting X would be a lot higher.

>>97624721
>There's only one person upset about the Epstein files
Haah waaw

>>97624617
Now do a trending trend line reverse regression analysis for the last 5 years, in boxgraph form.

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I've been sneaking custom cards into my decks and nobody has noticed yet even though some of them are my wincon. I just reuse art from random chaff cards in my binder that match the color of the card.

>>97624559
>only 14 X
Elon will be unhappy.

>>97624843
Can you give an example

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>>97624843

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>Wow this is super cool. I'd love these
>oh wait they are 500 dollars each because they are one per several collector CASES
>Collecting them all would cost over 6 grand

>>97624864
I believe him I don't pay attention to ub spoilers I still have no idea what "the ring temps you" does or "take the initiative"

>>97624911
You are a minority

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>>97624893

>>97624920
Vast majority of magic players doesn't pay attention to most magic sets actually t. a guy that used to buy literally everything until that guilds of ravinica super piggie collector box came out

>>97624349
>let me kill that other guy so I can then kill you
>WTF WHY DID YOU STOP ME
Being in the kingmaker position is suffering

>>97624382
I think the last time I scooped was when a guy targeted me with his deck of many things and he had a sac outlet. So basically I was 100% lost. After the whole table tried to politick with me I just scooped because I realized I couldnt win

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All Commanders by 1st letter of their name broken down by Universes Within VS Universes Beyond*

*numbers may not add up exactly to the general number for that letter due to filtering to only fully legal cards
These numbers are also before TMNT set so Beyond numbers will increase soon
>>97624810
hmmmmm nyo

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I want to build a mono white deck that I can put all of my cool snow covered plains in. Do you guys happen to have any commander suggestions? Maybe a favorite mono white commander?

>>97624074
Post your LGS

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Made a bracket 1 deck finally

>>97625052
Holy shit, you make them in python? I am an excel wizard, I couldnt imagine. I would have made a pie chart for the aggregate breakdown of UB versus not, with a legend for the data call out beneath it in a legend, but hey I still appreciate you. You're the best.

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>>97625053
There's almost no snow pay offs in mono white Obviously you have to go full sovl

Antiproxyfags are the funniest retards in this general. Imagine caring about which printer your gamepiece came out of

>>97625091
no lol, I made them with free template sites, sorry for getting your hopes up anon, just felt like getting a little autismo about numbers. I could probably learn to do that shit pretty quickly though

>>97624349
>Z keeps has a removal piece that he can recurr and holds it as attack deterrent
>A keeps sniping pieces off my board
why are you removing my board instead of Z
>I can't attack Z he has removal in hand
you've been using spells on me instead of him, but okay whatever
>I swing at Z and force him to use his removal
>A full swings at me because "you have no blockers"
>Z wins the game
>"aw man, if only we could have dealt with that removal piece but he keeps bring it back!"

>>97625144
Hells yeah, you do you my man, I support that. It just looked like a python script rather than actual excel (which is probably what they're using) and I felt a deep sense of pride within the elaborate pages of my excel hell work sheet. I'm an asshole in general, but I wanted to make sure you got your shine.

>>97625083
>bracket 1
>using sleeves
Bracket 1 is for cards you literally tear to pieces when sacrificing.

Is it too tryhard to max out my goblin deck with stuff like Ancient Tomb, Jeska's Will, Ragavan and Lotus Petal?

>>97625196
If you're looking for b4 games nah. Nothing is too tryhard. Look at your earliest turn wins and adjust accordingly if you're wanting b3.

>>97625101
Sunk cost fallacy dictates they have to fight tooth an nail to convince everybody their premium pringles are valuable and totally not a scam

>>97625196
That's normal, not even powered up. Just regular things. If you have 3 game changers, you cool in bracket 3 and up, but not 2.

>>97625186
JUUUUUDGE HES USING AN ILLEGAL DECK!! ITS UNDER 99 CARDS!!

>>97625052
Bro take your medication, unironically

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TMNT has 72 commanders out of 320 cards
that's 22.5% of the set

>>97624911
nobody knows how layers work either
paper magic requires an internet connection anyway

>>97625083
>gahiji honored one b1
not nerdy enough, not enough creatures that show worship