>>97621936
I'm torn between running a VtR game or WtF. Both would follow on from my established games for continuity. The Vampire game would be about the Kindred in London suffering some sort of malaise that prevents fresh Embraces. Is it a Strix curse? The PCs would either be miraculous embraces that seem to have worked, or Kindred who have just had a failed Embrace.

The WtF game would be a pack of Uratha scouting out East Anglia to investigate a death-knell heard across the UK and Europe. I've not done my reading yet but I like the idea of the Pure setting up shop, maybe rallying to some cause or other. Some anon a few threads ago mentioned the Fire Touched and I liked the sound of them.

>>97619608
>Honestly I think that is the issue, each kind of hunter should introduce their own kind of challenge depending on who exactly your coterie pissed off.
oWoD understood that, 5th ed writers did not. Creating new factions is cool but making them nearly (very minor differences here and there) the same? Retarded. Turning them into a plot device is also retarded. If they really wanted to do something with the SI it should have been an alliance of the original big hunter groups. That'd let you cover a lot of different splats and approaches each group may have while also making sure they still have their individual weaknesses. Picking spooks as the main enemies is funny when you consider that the CIA cell was run by a shizo, NSA agents were working for a Technocrat and the SAD was the most compromised of all. Fucking hate how they butchered the lore of old hunter groups.

>>97621936
>Tell us about the next game or story you would like to play
If I'm ever able to find a mage game irl I'm going to make a dual tradition akashic/virtual adept that will be a shameless matrix donut steel.

>>97621936
>Tell us about the next game or story you would like to play.
The Changing Breeds chronicle that my table is trying will start up three weeks from tomorrow. My ST has apparently been using AI to flesh out small details. Last night he asked it for a brief evaluation of the campaign, and it described it as “World of Darkness after the gods had a stroke.” Don't know how I feel about that, but I'm still looking forward to it.

>>97622603
Which gods do they mean by that? Changing Breeds is nWoD right?

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>>97621936
>the next game or story you would like to play.
I've always fantasized of picking up again that oneshot I did where my neonate friends diablerized the sheriff on the first night after being embraced by a group of anarchs way over their heads, who were actually being played by a Sabbat Infiltrator undermining the city to prepare it for an invasion. The coterie could've escaped the city in a bloodhunt ala The Warriors where each neighborhood belongs to a different clan and the Coterie can pick their route. Do you cut through the large park that is Gangrel territory, or are you taking your chances through the booby-trapped Nosferatu sewers? Or maybe the Infiltrator was pretty impressed despite them bringing his plot from cold to hot, and could move strings to alter evidence and minds in exchange for them undermining some more local players. More subtly this time. Go through The List

That or a horny solo game now that I barely have free time, but I've lost the rules for solo RPing.

>>97623134
>That or a horny solo game now that I barely have free time, but I've lost the rules for solo RPing.
Just use an AI.

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>Vermillion Vespers (Modern Vampire Roleplaying)
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/558107/vermillion-vespers-modern-vampire-roleplaying?affiliate_id=741284

>>97623134
IIRC the GM simulator should be in the share thread archive.

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>>97621936
>Tell us about the next game or story you would like to play.

I want to run a zombie apocalypse game but I can't figure out what splat would be the best for that.

>>97623293
That is a very Sims 1 looking game

>>97622917
>Which gods do they mean by that?
I'm not sure what the AI was referring to. Maybe Gaia and the Triat.
>Changing Breeds is nWoD right?
I believe that there were Changing Breed supplements for both WtA and WtF. We're playing OWoD.

>>97623326
Ah I was only familiar with the offshoot for WtF.

>>97623330
That one was very different. The WtA one had very specific breeds for you to chose from, while the WtF one was more a 'build a bear' format that let you basically be any kind of were-creature that you wanted to.

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What would an Archmage and a Tzimisce Lord even discuss? inb4 they just shit talk the Tremere.

>>97623633
>Least insane reality deviant

>>97623633
kolduns in general have several friends among the order of hermes (yes because of the tremere), verbana and dreamspeakers which i think makes them the most well liked blood sorcerers in the traditions

which i am not sure if that's more telling on the traditions or the other blood sorcerers

>>97623672
It goes the other way too, a few hermetics old enough to remember the first massassa war covertly have connections with the Tremere and they both share some information.

>>97623720
yeah i think the same book as >>97623633 has the archmage mention that they have a friend in vienna who they sometimes meet up with to chat because the vamp is still somewhat interested in how the order is doing

given who we know to be in vienna it must either be etrius or tremere given that they are the only two tremere in the city old enough to remember the pre massassa war era

>>97623633
>Shit talking Tremere
>Shit talking normies
>Laughing about how they cursed some guy with genetic T-Rex arms
Can Tzimisce rewrite your DNA?

>>97623803
you would struggle to find a koldun who knows what dna is, but we know those sick fucks can make hereditary changes (see revenants)

>>97623817
I am now strangely entranced with the idea of Charles Darwin being embraced by a Tzimisce

Tziggers have done nothing for over 500 years but collect welfare checks from the Sabbat, whine about the Tremere, and turn poorfags into furniture.

>>97623947
>Tzimisce have dpent 500 years doing their thing and facing no consequences for it

>>97623803
Now I'm imagining a Tzimisce being impressed by an Etherite showing him his frankensteinian abominations.

>>97622047
If you can't decide, why not run both concepts by your players and see which they'd prefer?

>>97623947
If you were a Tzimisce wouldn't you?

>>97623947
isn't that every elder in the sabbat tho? worthless pack... we should eat them

>>97623961
"Their thing" is being stagnant nothings engaging in masturbatory practices? No wonder their Antediluvian views them as little more than biomass.

>>97624203
If I were a Tzigger I'd kms

>>97624217
True! But the Tziggers are the worst offenders and it's not just the elders that do this. You should eat the Lasombra too, they're the main enablers of Tzigger welfare.

>>97623270
Description looks AI generated

>>97621936
>Mr Gimble 2000!

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>That one anon seething at the Dragons again
AHAHAHAHAHAH
Wow do average Tziggas mindbreak more effectively than A most powerful Venturd Methuselah.

I'm feeling a little dumb right now.

My ST maintains a little wiki for his campaigns and chronicles; the one he's building for our upcoming Changing Breeds chronicle includes pages for a handful of NPCs that we can take as contacts or allies. One of them is a little lupin Bone Gnawer barely out of her first change. It mentions that "She's good for low-profile surveillance, though she obviously has limited ability to follow cars (but the desire is certainly there). The first time I read it, I thought he meant that she couldn't wait to grow up and get her driver's license. I just read it again and realized that he was just making a 'dogs chase cars' joke.

>>97624452
Why not both? But that's both funny and kind of cute

>>97623992
I want a meeting of all the weird fucked up dudes comparing notes and showing off their projects
>Tzimisce geodude abominations and peasant furniture
>Tremmy gargoyles (to the Tzimisce's seething)
>Etherite frankenstein abominations
>Hermetic doomed homunculi and normie torture mana farms
>Fomori Garou sculptures
>BSD bone racks or something
>Changelings probably have something
>Idk for demons or mummies

>>97624452
I'm now imagining a pack full of various Fera in their war forms, crammed into a cheap fifth-hand car with this Bone Gnawer at the wheel, going on a road trip to get to a cairn on the other side of the country because the cheapskate elders won't let them use a moon bridge.

>>97624531
>Idk for demons or mummies
I suspect the demons wont have a project, but will be THE project for Tzims and Tremmies in collaboration a la blood brothers

>>97624531
Don't even need to go with fomori or BSD for weird shit for werewolves. Uktena using bound Bane incarnae as infinite energy sources, a Bone Gnawer's robe of chicken bones that turns into a suit of biomechanical power armour when he's in the Umbra and Cyber Dogs doing their thing and stuffing wolf-born Glass Walkers full of experimental cybernetics because wolf-born aren't people.

>>97624663
Damn, no loyalty among dogs huh. I just figured regular Garou were unlikely to meet in the evil edgelord sadist convention

>>97624757
If the Hermetic and Tzimisce can resist trying to kill the Tremere, I'm sure a particularly pragmatic Garou could see this as an opportunity to learn the enemy's secrets, especially one of the Uktena or a Shadow Lord.

>>97624832
I'm sure the Garou break the litany enough in general to have some members that aren't outright trying to murder fomori and other wyrmish weirdos 24/7

>>97624531
>Baali shows off the blood cult he uses as fuel to ghoul demons
>Unseelie Redcap shows the inside of his digestive tract

>>97621936
>group is on hiatus
>i want to get the group back together
>pitch a simple camarilla chronicle to reorient everyone with the setting
>one player starts moaning about how the group behaves and how we should be anarchs because no one understands how the camarilla operates
Where do I draw the line between listening to my players and telling them to fuck off for trying to backseat ST?

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>TQ
Vampire hunting during Mardi Gras in New Orleans. My players will hopefully be pleasantly surprised when the hunt actually has its main focus be on a voodoo witch that's working on a ritual to raise the dead, the vampire that is drawing their attention is just a small time fry that'll teach the players combat and what they're kind of doing as a Hunter cell. I'm looking forward to running it

>>97621936
>Tell us about the next game or story you would like to play.
Hopefully a M20 or older edition game. I want to try my ferectoi mage concept.

Though I know that if our group finish our current campaign in WW2 our next chronicle would be during the colonial era. Probably siding with one of the major powers and either conquering the new world or sailing in the Caribbean.

At first I had no idea what kind of vampire I would make. Though of playing Heavy from TF2 but he’s a pirate carrying a cannon. But I kinda always played meat heads in VTM so I want to switch it up. I’m thinking of a Tremere with Path of Neptune + Weather Control, and even Water Koldunism. I’ll be a fearsome pirate captain with a reputation rivaling Blackbeard. My inspiration was Euron Greyjoy (the book one, not the TV “finger in the bum” guy). Among the flaws I’ve found, I picked the Kiss of Death. Imagine how much it could intimidate your enemies, and especially the traitors, if you kill them but rob them of their afterlife. Then you lock the corpse in a cage for all to see, or lock them up inside a pine box, then you throw them at the bottom of the sea.

>>97624531
Demons would have Malefactors showing off their cursed art projects and artifacts while Devourers show off their own abominations to the rest of the bioengineers.

>>97624956
Is this Redcap goatsieing the group or how is he presenting that?

>>97624555
>>97624663
>>97624956
>>97625068
You anons have some kino ideas, thank you

>>97624555
>Tziggers enslaving demons and creating flesh crafted Vozhd bodies
>TremKikes binding the enslaved demons in those bodies and magically sealing and augmenting them
Damn, it would be VtM version of Daemon Engines, but even more grotesque.

Nu HtP chapter when it's been like 3 months

>>97624460
>Why not both?
Could be.
>But that's both funny and kind of cute
She's actually a re-creation of a recurring NPC from a previous chronical who was very popular with the players even though she was a minor side character.

>>97624551
>I'm now imagining a pack full of various Fera in their war forms, crammed into a cheap fifth-hand car with this Bone Gnawer at the wheel, going on a road trip to get to a cairn on the other side of the country because the cheapskate elders won't let them use a moon bridge.
Lol.
In her history, she walked up the Pacific Coast Highway all the way from LA to Morro Bay (over 200 miles). I'm sure she would have preferred to drive.

>>97624973
>Where do I draw the line between listening to my players and telling them to fuck off for trying to backseat ST?
That can be really tough. Our previous CtL chronical crashed and burned after four sessions because of a disconnect between what the ST wanted to run and what the players wanted to play. I hope you manage to work it out.

>>97625942
I like the idea, maybe teaching her to drive (or finding her a teacher she won't murder) could be a fun experience for the players

>>97624973
You can just tell them you'll handle all the politics side for them if they want, but also broach the idea of what sort of game the players want to play from what you're willing and wanting to run. Like, you want to run a particular style of VtM and then maybe recommend them some movies off of that style and what sort of thing they'd want to play based off of that. That's sort of what I'm planning on doing soon, but good luck anon

Future Darkness? Whatever happened there? There was just one article on CP2020 and Vampire and it was never mentioned again when Vampire got popular. Cyberpunk had Alternate Reality which wasn't quite as cool, but still had lots of things. The entire thing was a bit underwhelming and weak even though these things were oublished in the From Dusk Till Dawn and Buffy the Vampire Slayer era.

>>97625801
Better get used to one (side) chapter per year.

>>97626071
AAGHCKKKKKK!
I get it, but DAMN does it feel slow
>>97626006
Basically got caught up in dubious legal standing, and part of the idea got used for cyber world

>>97626006
>Future Darkness? Whatever happened there?
They probably couldn't be bothered with the licensing bullshit that and the translation was too simple to continue.

>>97624531
Changeling have a LOT of fucked up shit, check the Thallains on C20, they have everything from compulsive child kidnappers, to people who need to eat fresh organs, psychopathic Goblins, sex demons who cultivate STDs and infected wounds, etc. The whole Shadow/Black Court is just Changeling Nephandi

>>97626186
Yeah but it needs to be presentable, like an art exhibit of nutjob edgelords. STD cultivation sounds cool though

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>>97626289
>Nasties are obnoxious drunkards, unapologetic junkies, depraved predators, and violent brutes: all the worst traits of satyrs brought to life and rolled up into one disgusting package. Though passions drive their lives, nasties always take those passions to extremes even Unseelie satyrs shy away from. From a distance, nasties may be mistaken for satyrs. Up close, the smell alone gives away their true nature, for a nasty’s stench can stop even a rampaging ogre in its tracks.

>Nasties often travel with others of their kith in small bands. Though vices and addictions are unique to the individual nasty, the members of a tragos often share similar depravities, and take especial delight in inflicting them on anyone unlucky enough to cross their path.


And here's one of their endowments:

>Maenad’s Fever: Satyrs can inspire revelry in their surroundings, but nasties can infect others with frenzy. Mortals in the vicinity of a nasty for more than a few minutes make a Willpower roll (difficulty of the nasty’s permanent Glamour), or succumb to the frenzy, indulging in their darkest, nastiest desires. Maenad’s Fever is particularly potent, and even changelings are not immune to these effects. The player rolls once per hour, instead of once every few minutes.

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I’ve got a couple questions related to obeah/valeran and the Tremere
>Do a number of Tremere elders have third eyes from their days of Diablerizing Salubri
>Is there an explicit mention in the books of Tremere practicing Obeah/Valeran being cause for censure or final death?
>Are modern Tremere allowed to diablerize Salubri?
I can’t help but feel that the Tremere would really just drop any use of Obeah/Valeran out of the sheer usefulness of it. I can’t help understand it’s an issue considering the third eyes, but still.

>>97626372
>I can’t help but feel
I meant to say “I can’t believe”

>>97626186
>Changeling have a LOT of fucked up shit,
But most of it is forgettable as hell.

>>97626372
>Do a number of Tremere elders have third eyes from their days of Diablerizing Salubri
it used to be a set of flaws that tremere sometimes just had more salubri and tzimisce traits than usualy including the 3rd eye, but there is not a single canon npc who has it
>Is there an explicit mention in the books of Tremere practicing Obeah/Valeran being cause for censure or final death?
as far as i know there isn't even a single mention of Tremere practicing Obeah at all
>>Are modern Tremere allowed to diablerize Salubri?
as far as the pyramid is concerned yes. as far as the camarila is concerned no because diablery bad. so the offical stance is kill on sight not drink on sight the propaganda paints them as the soul eaters after all
most tremere probably would see much use in obeah. it's mostly about healing others which most vampires don't find useful (if it's a mortal just ghoul them) and they probably don't have enough empathy for while Valeren has some useful powers they are very obvious and masquarade breaking and the tremere don't really need more of these

>>97626417
Not really, people just aren't willing to go past the weird Dreaming stuff. I was like that for a long time. Nowadays to be honest it's the game I think the most about. How chimera affects people, gangs of Thallain roaming around a city making it a terrible place to increase their power and influence, all the cool Dreaming locations and Freeholds/Glades. If you made the exact same game but called the characters something else like psychs to sell the power of the human mind upfront it would have been a massive hit.

>>97625349
lore of flesh and beast can unlike vicissitude grow mass out of nothing so the growth part would work (but then why would you even need vicissitude anymore?) but putting a demon into a vozhd is a surefireway to lose that demon

vitae is pure torment for them so your demon is going to be dragged to hell in a few rounds

so making flesh monsters and throwing fomori in there is a better play as is making a actual demon engine out metal and earth if you really want to throw a earthbound in there

>>97626433
>Not really, people just aren't willing to go past the weird Dreaming stuff.
Mostly because there really isn't something else to talk about. Maybe I just read the wrong book, but the reason I even remember Dreaming is a thing is the meme shit, like losing your template by existing near a bank or the royal couple that reincarnated as siblings in NY and how the whole thing sounds like a knockoff of a cartoon made half a decade later.
I try to see this in a positive light, but all I end up feeling is some variation of "this sounds like a neat idea for a Werewolf/Mage game" rather than enjoying it for what it is. I know this sounds like Autumn Person behavior, because it is.

>>97626417
>>97626433
Honestly changeling does have some cool fucked up shit, but does it have Savage Genitalia? I thought not

>>97626328
Well, this wasn't particularly explicit but I did enjoy reading it thank you.
>Indulge in darkest, nastiest desires
Where does Priest RP factor into this?
>>97626372
I've had this bitch's game on my wishlist for 3 fucking years at this point and the game still isn't out. Fuck I hope we see it soon

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>>97626602
>When the redcap swallows your cock & it disintegrates.

>>97626328
Perhaps Price stabilite man was right...

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I need your help anons. I was thinking about making a Tremere who was one of the first scientists to begin developing computers and thus was embraced around the mid 70s or 80s by the local Regent because he wanted someone who was knowledgeable in this new tech. Because in this game we're allowed to pick any Primary Path rather than being stuck with Path of Blood, I was thinking about taking Technomancy as my Primary Path and have her be one of the initial, if minor, Tremere involved in developing that Path. Here's my problem, on review of the Revised clan book, I realized that they actually put the pioneer of the Path in that book, and set the date of its development as 1998. So now my question is, what Paths would fit for someone embraced for the sole purpose of working with computers from their inception?

>>97626638
Maybe a path focused around electricity like path of the levinbolt might be appropriate?

>>97626638
just ask to ignore it
beside Elemental Mastery and Hearth Path allows you to talk to tech. levibolt while not directly computer related fits thematically
there is a tremere in vienna by night with a similiar backstory who has bio thaum as path but i don't think that's why you are looking for unless you are going to make cyborgs like that guy is doing

>>97626589
It's just not the right game for you, and that's ok. To be honest I vastly prefer Changeling over Werewolf and even over Mage. I feel like Changeling has more to say than most other gamelines if you disregard the memes. And it helps that the game is just fun at the end of the day, the magic system is really freeform and creative, the way freeholds, kiths and chimeras work is fantastic. It's honestly tied with Mage as the most flexible WoD game, you can play any sort of way you can imagine. Glamour vs Banality, Nobles vs Commoners, House vs House, Changelings just trying to change the world, Kithain vs Thallain, exploring the Dreaming, musing mortals, Freehold turf wars etc.

>>97626638
Focussed Mind - early computer tech was more math and mechanical engineering than microelectronics and programming as we know them today

>>97626667
Levinbolt's not a bad idea, I'll pin that one the wall while I consider the other ones, but that's not a bad idea at all.
>>97626688
>just ask to ignore it
I probably could, but I'm the type who wants to make something that works with most of what's written.
>beside Elemental Mastery and Hearth Path allows you to talk to tech.
Elemental Mastery could be a good one, I wonder if the animation you can give to objects with that could be used to automate the typing of a keyboard or something. Hearth path also feel really thematic for a computer geek that rarely leaves the Chantry, so maybe that would be a good option.
>>97626720
That's very true, I could see an early computer scientist seeing that Path and thinking it would be useful for their studies.

Part of what I'm trying to consider is the "realistic" thought process of someone brought into this, and what would be the Path that they would most naturally chose.

>>97625801
Only 3 month? Please, these guys fucking suck when it comes to actually releasing stuff. Check in after at least 6 months.

>>97626823
They were relatively good at releasing 1 per month after chapter 5 dropped

>>97626730
I think these are all kind of good, can even write in some backstory about how you're meeting or have met with some guy to develop the path of technomancy and grab it later in the story

>>97625801
It's Swedish holiday or some shit IIRC.

You will wait for another loredump, this time about ze Coalition. (D will somehow find a way to fumble this too)

>>97625954
>I like the idea, maybe teaching her to drive (or finding her a teacher she won't murder) could be a fun experience for the players
I love that idea; but if in-game time passes as the same rate as it did in our last chronicle, I'll be old and senile by the time the character is old enough to get her learner's permit.

>>97626186
>compulsive child kidnappers
Who are they? My ST was looking for something like that.

>>97626915
>Swedes
My god

>>97626978
Your games don't include any interim time between sessions to get your character's stuff or skills out of the way?

>>97626996
>Your games don't include any interim time between sessions to get your character's stuff or skills out of the way?
That one didn't; skills and stuff were just kinda handwaved to improve from use. I don't know about this time around.

>>97626978
>Who are they? My ST was looking for something like that.


>Spriggans are lazy, nasty, greedy creatures. They enjoy playing cruel tricks on unfortunate mortals, and keep company with the worst of Unseelie redcaps. Usually lazy, they can be motivated only by the prospect of some terrible deed, or by guarding treasure. Spriggans steal anything of value they can get their grubby fingers on, and they jealously guard their treasures
>The sevartal especially seek out spriggans to employ, and are the only kith of any variety to encourage their worst habit — kidnapping children. Despite the dangers in stealing children away, spriggans have no particular concerns with it and do so quite frequently. Changelings of all kiths band together to find any missing children, especially if they know a spriggan is in the area, but their resolve increases tenfold if the kidnapped in question is a changeling as well. Most often the child is found again within a matter of hours, terrified and with a few bumps and bruises. On the rare occasions the child does not return, it is wisest for the kidnapper to flee for a time, or find the highest degree of protection they can. The loss of a changeling child is cause enough for a manhunt, and without a protector, luck can only do so much.

They also control the weather weirdly enough

>Stormcallers: With a Manipulation + Kenning roll, a spriggan can call up a storm. The more successes, the fiercer the weather will turn. A single success might bring a light shower, while five successes might call a low-category hurricane.

>>97627007
Could probably ask your ST, interim time is pretty useful to do shit that you probably shouldn't waste an entire session on like getting contacts or trying to deploy them to shit like trying to establish a cult

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>>97626865
>>97626667
>>97626688
>>97626720
Something just hit me and I've decided on the path of Elemental Mastery. When you think about it, what's the one thing that someone on the cutting edge of computer development would want? To be able to just talk to the fucking thing so they know what's going wrong so they can fix it. It's the ultimate troubleshooting power,And plus its 1st dot is just insanely useful, and the 3rd dot could probably let me do some crazy shit if I think hard enough. Thank you for the help, anons

I'll definitely take Path of Technomancy as a secondary Path, but I'll try my best to also fit in one of the others. Probably Levinbolt.

>>97627189
Look at all this effort needed to just chat with the spooder spirits that Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers can do

>>97625090
>Is this Redcap goatsieing the group
Only if his Unseelie legacy is the Grotesque

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>Finally decide to check out Sorcerer
>Literally just Sorcerers and Espers
>Is literally just A Certain Magical Index
And THIS is the splat you fucks have been saying is better than playing a Mage? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>97627481
Mage probably suffers from being too high concept for players, it's like if everyone is a Nasu magus but with even less rules and no regulations on "mana". I wish clocktower shit had a real RPG.

Anyway, out of all the not-quite-mage IPs out there, like Index, Harry Potter, Fate, Dresden, etc, which do you anons prefer?

>>97627481
>Lmao nice "science" you have there, eat my Paradox Dragon Fist

Sorcerer fills a nice hole. True mages eventually drop many of their tools and practices, a sorcerer can't do that. Paradox is a bitch, sorcerers don't have that. If you want more limits and a game that's more about your practice than your paradigm then play a sorcerer.

>>97627514
How does being high concept make it harder for players? If anything that makes it easier.

>>97627587
>constant arguments and questions to the ST because of how confusing it is
It can be both a blessing and a curse depending how go with the flow they're willing to be. I feel like everyone needs to be on the same page

>my ST just revealed that ChatGPT actually writes the campaign and he just improvs when we go off script
>says it's because he's not a good writer and when everyone points out that we all put a lot of effort into making our characters, he says that he can't write otherwise despite being in this hobby for 20+ years
Welp, that explains some things about this campaign. Guess I'm about to have a free night soon.

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>>97627856
>that explains some things about this campaign.
Storytime!

>>97627897
I never know how much I should complain in these threads before I just sound like a retard. None of the other party members seem to have four chins, but you never know. I'll start with mechanical nonsense.
So, first off, he insists that we've been playing elders this whole campaign. We are not. We are playing ancillae with Blood Potency 4. I'm starting to wonder if he used GPT to write the new character creation stuff and to make his NPCs because we're consistently encountering NPCs with Discipline pools in the 4-5 ranges while I have the highest pool of the PCs at Auspex 4. Last session I was jumped by a guy with Obfuscate 4, Celerity 4-5 who by context could have only been a grunt of the guy we were actually looking for.
I'm not sure if he's just using the AI for balance output or if he has some tier-brained reddit thing going on, but he also has some weird balance hang-ups. This is my first time playing V5, for context, so I'm willing to accept that I might just not understand the system very well yet, but he keeps pushing specific powers as solutions to all my problems, and then I read the info and it only lasts a turn or have some other stupid cost. Yeah, I'm sure A Thousand Cuts is really good, but you jumped us with five guys last session and I'm already hitting Hunger 5 once a combat just trying to land hits.
Now that my little whiny bitch fit is out of the way, let me actually tell you a story about the SI, some elders, a cult that I'm still confused about, my own fuckups and a group of people that genuinely doesn't seem to understand how public surveillance works.

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anyone played this before? what do anons think of it.

>>97627856
>I use AI because I’m not a good [x]
“People” like this need to have their skulls bashed in. Then they’ll be REALLY not good at using their brain.

>>97627481
>A Certain Magical Index
What?

>>97628141
A light novel (anime?) series where there are Espers, given powers through science (Cybernetic implants, genetic modification, ESP, etc.), and Sorcerers, who use magic. Choosing one cuts you off from the other. Espers can’t learn magic, and Sorcerers can’t get powers from scientific experimentation.

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>>97628141
>A Certain Magical Index
Anime shit.

>>97628163
That's just Demon Hunter X.

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>Lupus as soon their Homid Packmates turn their backs

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>>97627856
How embarrassing.

>>97628013
Anon has been charging up this writefaggotry for several episodes. I'm so ready.

>>97628013
So I think the premise of the campaign was inspired by Bloodlines 2, but I'm not sure. We're elders who went into torpor 50+ years ago and got revived by some cult, and I'm still not sure how we got away with this level of Masquerade breach.
>burst out of an old church downtown
>literally like five or six dead cops
>what the fuck is a smartphone
>what the fuck is a car?
>wait, the guy who went down on the Titanic thinks he knows what these things are, the americans were starting to make these things in big numbers before his sleep
>oh, I can use a smartphone
>...HOW can I use a smartphone?
So here's something I should establish real quick: I hadn't actually made my own character. I've never played VtM before beyond some V20, so as a joke I suggested play someone who literally knew nothing about vampires to help ease myself in. The ST took it further and made my character sheet for me, but didn't show it to me for the first few sessions, so I had to play Clue to try and figure out what my stats were. This was also before I found out about the elder thing, so ultimately it was phrased as torpor hitting me really bad. Here's what I knew:
>I somehow knew what a smartphone was
>I could hear a bunch of voices in my head
>When someone asked me what clan I was, my head went "Toreador"
>I had a very strong French accent
>I woke up covered in blood and had multiple absent episodes where I did things with no memory of it
As an exercise for the reader, I'll let you take some guesses as to what was being set up before I reveal it.
After we got out of this church, we proceeded to just... make a mess of everything.
>Trail of bodies leading back to these catacombs
>Coffins open, people blatantly drained of blood
>Cops might have had bodycams and we would have never known
I'll be honest, me and everyone else were having the time of our lives roleplaying as being born yesterday. PICTURE TABLETS and COLD FLAMES- plus I had no idea what a mortal was, much less a vampire.

>>97628378
Oh, and actually two more details:
>I knew Oblivion and Auspex at a high level
>At one point I ate a fetter and somehow slaked Hunger from this act

>>97628378
Next thing we know, a vampire found us wandering the street in stolen police uniforms arguing with the strangers we had woken up with. He was a comically fat Nosferatu (apparently in V5 they're just ugly and not instant Masquerade violations) who was trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
>get pointed to the nearest Elysium and introduce ourselves to the Prince, who gives us a task to solve
>apparently with the second inquisition about resources are tight and we need to make ourselves worth her time otherwise
>fair enough, we can recognize a plot hook when we see one
>the person who vanished was the Malkavian primogen, we had to figure out what happened in one week
And from there, it was off to the races. Now, the actual details were... well, it wasn't a very competent mystery or investigation. I think the ST thought Spirit Touch was a lot more potent of a forensic tool than it really was. Ultimately we were sort of bailed out by fiat, but it seems as if the primogen was rendered into vitae in order to revive us by thinbloods. I'm not sure... why they wanted us? But they did.
Or I didn't understand that, either. This campaign has had a funny effect of making me feel very stupid as events don't seem to connect multiple times, and when I ask people to explain everyone give a completely different answer as to what is going on. It's here that the first signs of... interesting rules start to show.
>People and their blood dies the second it leaves them or they receive a mortal wound. As in, someone's heart stops and their blood loses all value in an instant. Not even baggers can use this blood.
>Zero use of the combat rules- the ST keeps calling for movement actions and combat actions and rolling for initiative like it's PF instead of using the advanced combat rules.

>>97628204
>Still simps for the human who gives pets
Lupus have no loyalty

>>97627026
Thank you.

>>97628331
Sorry, I'm bouncing between other things but I'm writing when I have a moment.

>>97628429
>get a job as a fry cook after the dust settles
>remember who I am now
>that is, I'm said to have full memory and the ST has provided nothing
>so there's really no presence unless I just start naming details
>broke as hell, so start saving up cash to get a lawyer and try to reclaim old accounts
>then, touchstone vanishes
>apartment is broken into, signs of a struggle, a fucking landmine in his bedroom
>I have no idea what a landmine is, so I don't connect the dots
>second visit, get shot at by a sniper
>being tracked through walls by a drone
>oh SHIT
It eventually becomes clear that the SI is here for the Camarilla and I'm compromised, too. I'm not sure how, but if they knew who my touchstone was, they clearly had me a long time ago.
So now we finally have the bit where I'm starting to see the bad AI writing in retrospect. What I know is this:
>Someone beat down his front door
>There was a dent and blood on the wall
>Evidence of a major, but brief struggle
>They somehow knew we were associated
Now, my in the dark guess upon seeing all that is vampire or werewolves with the supernatural senses to notice me. I might be a fucking moron, maybe I got unlucky and was identified off the cuff? But that's what I thought. When I found out SI, I immediately went:
>Oh, this is because of all that crap I said over text at the start.
Only for the ST to dismiss this as a dumb reason to be compromised and insisting it's not that as the SI has little reach. I'm not super versed in V5 lore, but I'm pretty sure intelligence agencies do in fact have that level of surveillance, if vampires are underground because of it? I'm starting to realize that... I think there's no reason. This was just a prelude for the SI to sweep through so we can try and install ourselves as new elders.

Toreadors be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gYJYzzjGQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWlcEt_qr4

>>97628668
God, V5 sucks so much dick even the Kardashians must be shocked.

>>97628668
i just want to say i am sorry. i had nothing to do with this but i am still sorry that this happened to you

fuck you for making me feel empathy

>>97627653
Anon, I'm not sure you know what high concept means. It's something that can easily be summarized in a simple premise.

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>>97628668
>We're elders
>>get a job as a fry cook

>>97629167
Another elder got a job as a cabbie but I don't hear you bitching.

>>97626706
>Changeling has more to say than most other gamelines
Elaborate.

>>97629232
That was just a hobby.

>>97629167
So, we got zero background dots when we started and have Destitute and No Haven. Combine that with functionally being much weaker than we should be and cowing just isn't in the cards. On a character level, I simply don't see manual labor as beneath me and I don't want my legal ties to come with Camarilla strings attached. Plus, with only rent to pay I can make a lot more money than most people, which I'm actually putting towards getting a slightly better job I have the skills for.
Oh, and my ST gave me a cocaine addiction so it seemed appropriate to be with my people.

>>97628378
>>97628429
>>97628668
>V5 STs use chatgpt to write their games

Lol. Lmao. Kek. Sorry that happened anon but hey, at least you learned a valuable lesson about why you shouldn't play worst WoD.

>>97629499
>>97628900
I'll make it even better: going in the ST indicated to me that he thought V5 was a weak edition and not as good as the others. He couldn't actually articulate what he thought was bad about it beyond Tizmisce changes, not even to me asking whether he could backport what he liked onto V20.

>>97628430
Petting is extremely important

>>97629536
>going in the ST indicated to me that he thought V5 was a weak edition and not as good as the others.

The fuck? So this guy doesn't like V5, ran it anyway. Doesn't think he had the writing chops to be ST, so he just put it into an AI? I'm at a loss with his thought processes here.

>>97629551
I'm not a dog, nor am I a garou apologist, but maybe the impergium wasn't all bad.

>>97629250
>Elaborate.
Elaborate.

>>97629551
Typical NPC behavior. It's not that deep.

>>97629232
>Another elder got a job as a cabbie
Anon, that cabbie was the third human in existence. He's more than the elder.

>>97629551
You don't get it, he NEEDS to consoom the new product. Old is always bad, right?

>>97629547
Is it worth completely changing your point of view though?
>>97629639
The Red Talons have never been wrong, ever.

>>97629551
DnD 5E is widely regarded as an overall downgrade from 3.5 in everything but character flavor-text and yet it is still the most popular DnD game on the market, it's a type of new good old bad consoomer mindset because the more stylized art of older editions and particular desire to appeal to something above a 3rd grade reading level makes it harder for simpletons to engage in. Complete NPC brain to want to ST but then dump it into an AI, modern NPCs seem to want to outsource their thinking sadly

>>97629551
This is pure speculation from me, but I think because V5 is a new edition with more traditional support ala wikis, Foundry content and so on, he found it less intimidating than something like V20 that has a shitzillion books. And/or he found the fact that it changed up a lot of lore to be an advantage because it meant he could use new edition lore as his justification for why he's not running with so-and-so's headcanon. A few times he's said some weird shit about a lot of WoD canon actually being canonized fancontent and implied that made it illegitimate, I think the one that prompted this was diablerie and how it can mess up your soul?

>>97628668
And that finally lands us where we are now. The local Camarilla got FUCKED by the SI sweeping in. I couldn't explain the attack if I tried. It involved false flag attacks on a power station to cause a blackout, then sweeping the entire city, blowing up the Camarilla stomping ground? That last part made sense, at least.
>prince is dead
>elysium is turbo-fucked
>we track our nominal boss down
>ripped up to hell, but alive
>find the Tremere primogen dead, but drained, like the Malkavian was
>so it seems like there's a serial killer on the loose too
>get to have a rare character moment here by going "Grandpa?"
>the party starts talking about how we're gonna take control of this city back
>I give them a look
>take the city back?
>yeah
>how
Here's the point where it gets dumb.
>they say they want to stay low until the SI passes
>the SI probably won't do a second sweep, they argue
>sounds good
>and to start, let's send "TAKE EDINBURGH BACK" to every kindred in the fucking city
>no
>does that scream keeping low to you?
>do you think that will inspire peaceful action?
>have to be the one to point out we have no resources, no assets, no status
>our boss' value is in the public office she holds, and the SI knows her
>she's done and her value is gone
>we have no assets that isn't what we can do with our hands right now

>>97629989
>the ST tells me I'm overthinking this
>"I keep telling you, the SI has less resources than you seem to think"
>completely baffled at this
>the SI knows me, which means there's a high likelihood everyone in this room is compromised
>you know how I know this?
>we've been seen in public
>in the UK
>which has street cameras on every corner
>street cameras aimed at Elysium
>that can be pulled by the proper authorities
>you want to know how I know this?
>we PULLED FROM THOSE CAMERAS
>AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FUCKING CAMPAIGN
>OUR BOSS USED HER AUTHORITY AS POLICE OVERSIGHT TO GET THEM
>YES, THE FUCKING SECOND INQUISITION HAS THEM
>also, said boss lady was taken out by the SI
>she has a public-facing job
>SHE IS A FACE OF THE GOVERNMENT
>the only way to preserve her power is to make her appear in public IMMEDIATELY so as to make the SI think they probably got the wrong person
>but she's insanely fucked up, so if that happens the SI will have no doubts
>their plan is essentially to openly defy the SI, which is not something any of us have the ability to do
Just fuck me, make it make sense bros. Is this what being gaslit feels like? All the info I'm being told makes me think this is a showy, bad plan but they keep acting like it's subtle.

>>97629971
Eh, I wouldn't say "widely". 5e D&D has some genuine pros and cons vs. 3.5, heck 3.5 got eaten by 3.75 aka Pathfinder 1e way back in the day.

But putting that aside entirely, what was almost universal was people spurning D&D 4e in favor of 3.5 and then later Pathfinder 1e. So the "new thing always best must play" is a recent phenomenon, relatively speaking.

>>97629989
I could believe that's his logic, but it isn't even true. V20 core is big but it's exhaustive, every other V20 book is a supplemental thing to the max. V5 meanwhile is way more chopped up between different books.

>>97630057
>Just fuck me, make it make sense bros. Is this what being gaslit feels like? All the info I'm being told makes me think this is a showy, bad plan but they keep acting like it's subtle.

It is in fact a very bad plan. Though I do personally think you're somewhat over-estimating the actual efficacy of public surveillance cameras, that's honestly the least of your problems.

First problem is your ST is using the SI in general, and they're not even a real faction they're ST fiat made manifest. Your ST isn't thinking in the first place, but if he were he's not thinking of them as an actual organization, he's thinking of them as a device to move the plot forward. They have the power to shitstomp the entire local camarilla in a night. But not enough power to stop (you) guys, the players. The "SI has less resources" walk back is directly from the SI book itself, which is almost an out and out retcon of how they were at V5's launch. Your thinking is correct, if they could utterly demolish everyone above you, you should keep your head down for a while. Resources have nothing to do with it, obviously they committed fuck you resources to this city and it's not like they've moved on yet.

I could keep going through every logic fail your ST and table is making to confirm your beliefs, but that'd be a lot of text walls and not very engaging. One thing to consider that could explain it all is simple: the ST confessed to using an LLM. LLMs do not actually think, this is what makes them dangerous. They're chinese rooms that put out the likely expected output of the request they receive. As a result, they frequently "hallucinate" things that do not exist in the prompt. Every bit of idiocy could easily be explained by "he put it into a fucking LLM". Other PCs are going along with it because they just want to win and are being handed one.

>>97630139
Yeah. Yeah, that's about what my thinking has been...

>Though I do personally think you're somewhat over-estimating the actual efficacy of public surveillance cameras, that's honestly the least of your problems.
Y'know, I actually would agree there. I'm generally pessimistic when it comes to planning, and a LOT of public surveillance tech relies on knowing who, when and where, which is more tricky to get than you'd think. They have databases of logged info, of course, but they really aren't magic. And, well, it's not fair to expect intelligence networks to be completely realistic in this sort of thing anyway.

However, if I was in the SI and I had just found out where Elysium is (and they must know, because otherwise they wouldn't have known to blow it up) I would contend my first response would be to get the surveillance footage from certain times and start building a database of potential vamps. From there, I can start narrowing things down, clearing some guys while focusing in on others.

>The "SI has less resources" walk back is directly from the SI book itself, which is almost an out and out retcon of how they were at V5's launch.
Wait, are you serious? I've been hearing that line a lot, but I assumed it was just ignorance.

>>97630074
Well, I'll admit that 5E does have some good features, but most things (except for the early art) including lore and settings just ended up being step backs from 3.5 and earlier. There are a *few* reasons to play 5E, the MtG setting guide is actually very good for instance and the classes are mostly kind of fun, but outside of that it feels a bit derivative and basic. Too much work is placed on the DM to work with, which is partially why DnD is so heavily homebrewed. Just lacking tons of mechanics on the phb and dmg

>>97630186
>However, if I was in the SI and I had just found out where Elysium is (and they must know, because otherwise they wouldn't have known to blow it up) I would contend my first response would be to get the surveillance footage from certain times and start building a database of potential vamps. From there, I can start narrowing things down, clearing some guys while focusing in on others.
Oh, see I completely agree with you in this case, hence the "somewhat". Just as a general outlook though, they're not the end of the masquerade some people claim it to be.

>>97630186
>Wait, are you serious?
Yeah. So when the SI were introduced at the beginning of V5, they were the boogie man, wiping out entire cities, and old world cities where the average elder was 1000 years old. When the SI finally got their own book though, it was filled with soft-retcons like "oh it's actually more like a loose confederacy of hunter groups" and "they're not as all-powerful as many vampires seem to think". Don't get me wrong, that book has a lot of problems, like saying with a straight face that American and Russian glowies would tolerate even distant and minimal cooperation. The contradiction you're dealing with is this game's SI alternate between launch SI and current SI as the plot requires it.

V5 did this a lot, softly retconning things it got shit for at the beginning in a supplement. SI book retconned how powerful the SI are (without explicitly retconning most of their absurd feats). The Sabbat book retconned the entire Sabbat fucking off to the middle east. The Blood Gods book retconned the "most elders and every methuselah went to the middle east" beckoning. Of course, clearly not everyone got the memo, because BL2 is the worst offender in recent memory for SI bullshittery.

My haven is as clean as a Toreador arse

>>97629536
Odds are what he liked about the system would be a pain to port, like the hunger system or... That's it really everything else is so rules lite it might as well be a larp ruleset.

>>97630230
>the entire Sabbat fucking off to the middle east
So base V5 is supposed to be, what, just Camarilla and Anarchs? Or just everyone versus the SI? Live From the Succubus Club came out fairly recently I think and it goes on a lot about how underground and on the run vampires are.
>because BL2 is the worst offender in recent memory for SI bullshittery.
I don't remember the SI being in BL2, wasn't it just the high-tech hunter group? I thought they were independent and didn't have anything to do with it.

>>97630693
>>the entire Sabbat fucking off to the middle east
So base V5 is supposed to be, what, just Camarilla and Anarchs
so the camarilla in v5 is not invite only instead of "everyone is a member" so the base assumption is that you are a anarch neonate simply because you have no other options (hecata also came in later) and you aren't so much fighting the SI as you are just trying to surrive it because they completely gutted any sort of influence vampires had
>I don't remember the SI being in BL2, wasn't it just the high-tech hunter group? I thought they were independent and didn't have anything to do with it.
the IAO is part of the SI, or rather meant to be... you see v5 can't really decide what the SI even is. in some books it's a single global conspiracy that includes everything between the arcanum, the cia and the society of leopold, in some it's several seperate inqusitions (The Coalition, The Alphabet Inquisition etc) and in some it's global phenomenon of completely unrelated hunter cells, this one is the latest, but it doesn't really work because previous books named the leaders of the SI

>>97630740
*so the camarilla in v5 is now invite only

>>97630330
french or american toreador? camarilla toreador or antitribu

>>97630740
>they completely gutted any sort of influence vampires had
Bruh not even Curseborne does this shit

>>97631410
>Studio that has unbroken continuity of the same Creative Director since VtM 1E knows how to create urban horror fantasy games right
>Video game company specializing in baroque strategy games with $200 of DLC makes major mistakes "updating" the game
Are you really surprised?

>>97631495
>update
Every time a dev has ever "reimagined" a franchise I swear it has only gotten worse and less original.

>>97630353
I will say I do kind of like the Hunger system, but I hate bestials. You just generate an absolutely insane amount if you have to make any number of regular rolls.

>>97632184
I really can't say I get the appeal of V5's hunger. Any amount of random chance in whether or not a vampire's power actually "taxes" them (makes them hungrier/need more vitae) both annoys my game design brain but more importantly undermines my immersion. Two vamps exert themselves equally but one's completely sated and the other is ravenously hungry just bugs me on a foundational level.

>>97632205
What I like about it isn't the concept of coinflips, but of the idea that you can invest in certain disciplines to have less of a chance to consume a point of Hunger, so someone who's really good with a discipline tends to be "efficient" with it, while someone who isn't can still use the power at a relatively low cost, but clumsily. If you were doing Blood Points, you can only reduce a numerical cost to so much of a fraction, which sucks if it's a power that was only 2 or 3 to begin with, but if you're adding rerolls you can push that further. They just need to push that concept further and maybe give it some more depth, maybe by letting you change the target number on the hunger dice or something like that.

>>97632205
>I really can't say I get the appeal of V5's hunger.
The point is to make hunger a pain in the ass and basically impossible to put in the background. Something about people forgetting frenzy triggers and similar effects.

>>97632230
That's more understandable than the "risk management" argument I've heard before. But for me, the admittedly neat idea of being more efficient with a power as you practice it doesn't outstrip my general annoyance at the basic premise. Even if heavily controlled, I just do not like the notion of RNG in your supernatural resource usage.

In my experience and estimation, there was nothing wrong with blood points to begin with. On the contrary, I think they encouraged a calculating style of play where you're planning ahead, thinking about how many blood points you have. The guy who bloodbuffs everything constantly is going to find himself frenzying more often and thus suffering the consequences. You can even start doing the fun calculations of "does spending a few points here save me losing half my blood pool having to heal off an insane amount of damage later?" Not to mention, since even those of piddly generation can store 10 points, but you can't get that all at once from one mortal without killing them, it encourages PCs to be constantly trying to stay topped off from little feedings, which in turn makes them start seeing every mortal as a potential sippy. I liked it already; helps you feel like a proper calculating vampire once you figure things out.

>>97630740
>>97631410
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone could look at the state of the world (even when V5 was being written) and think to themselves
>Oh yeah, the Hunters are definitely winning.
>And the Camarilla in particular is eating shit.

>>97632286
I actually like blood points too, though I'm not sure how much of that is just having more experience with them. The only real complaint I have against blood points is that I'm personally not a fan of how huge they can get at lower generations and how constant the maintenance can get with it. It's half the point, but in the games I've been in they can turn into slogs to keep fed. Not that V5 is much better in that aspect, mind you.

>I just do not like the notion of RNG in your supernatural resource usage
>That's more understandable than the "risk management" argument I've heard before
Something I've learned is that most people do not understand the concept of risk management in terms of numbers. They look at me and go "it's like a coinflip so double rouse is losing two coinflips" and then rage when they get all blanks on a five pool. Bruh, I thought you understood this system, it's actually not that rare to roll all blanks.

>>97632327
I get you. It's nice to have a civil conversation about such things.

>>97632316
the thing you need to know to understand where the original v5 books come from is that info that it's not meant to reflect the modern world in the same way most urban fantasy books try to do. No it's trying to bring us up to speed on swedish dracula's larp canon that has already been going on for 20 years by the time v5 came out

and the thing he mentioned when the backlash for v5's camarilla book got to him is that... well first that we are all pussies for not liking it... but eventually he made the point that in his world vampires DID 9/11. which is not true in any other version of vtm and that i think is where the difference comes from. Vampires in V5's timeline as the orignal 3 writers envisioned it are just behind evil shit for the sake of it even if it brings them nothing and it makes no sense

so if they did 9/11 and then did not stop influencing all the "evil" (from the point of view of 3 swedish lapers) in the world then the war of terror being on vampires KINDA could make sense when you squish your eyes, but the execution is god awful and it makes you wonder why you are playing the vampire in this and why the guys who hunt the people who are behind everything bad in the world are somehow exactly as bad as the monster they hunt

>>97632495
You are not wrong.

>>97632482
>trying to bring us up to speed to swedish dracula's larp canon that has been going on for 20 years
Jesus, that's fucking awful
>Vampires did 9/11
That's kind of based if it's spun well, like say the Assamites plotting to kill a Venture who's dangerously close to masquerade breaching while he rules the world trade centers. It does seem a bit cringe overall, especially since oWoD made a very big point to usually point out that all the terrible things were all humanity being humanity (because of fucking Caine, unironically) which is pretty based.

>>97632495
>>97632545
I don't even mind the tribal renames, or H5 being more Hunter's Hunted than Reckoning, but W5 is a lot closer to playing some alt version of WtA like WtF than it is actually playing WtA I feel, especially in terms of the general setting. That's all of Paradox WoD though, they keep hiring these hacks who seem to hate the original IP

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>>97632205
I wouldnt mind V5's hunger if there was a little more of a buffer zone with it. Requiring you to fully drain someone to remove the last dot also irks me.

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can someone explain to me the difference between the high umbra and the dreaming? both seem to a set of dimensions formed by the human subconscious where mythological beings also live (both have a version of Valhalla)

>>97632762
Don't forget that under V5's own systems, an elder or a an ancillae of sufficient blood potency should be draining entire towns before he's sated.

>>97632787
The High Umbra is the embodiment of all human thought and all that, but because of that, the High Umbra itself does not create anything new. It’s constrained by the limits of humans having not existed since the dawn of time, in a sense. But the Dreaming is more like where the independent manifestation of creation overlaps with the human subconscious. The Dreaming itself is not limited to the human subconscious, and it regularly creates new things. It exists independently from human thought, is what i’m trying to say. Sorry, i’m a little too high to give completely coherent answers.

>>97630353
I like X5's special dice.
I think your crit fails being hyper-violent crit success is one of the nicest and most thematic ways to fail upwards I've experienced. It invokes both an 'oh fuck no' from players at the same time it gets them excited for their gurofag ST to describe something gnarly as fuck. Pick a lock, get frustrated, rip it off its hinges - progress now, pain later because you're leaving a trail.

>>97629989
>Edinburgh
Is that roughly where you're based? Cuz if so it sounds like you need a new ST and in a month or so I'm going to need a new group...
Shit dude nowhere in Scotland is more than an hour's train ride away, I'll spot that to run something at a FLGS for fellow anons.

>>97632982
Special dice are cool, yes. I just don't like the circumstances around them

why are the two Sabbat primary clans "poor man's ventrue" and "poor man's tremere" with an edgy special discipline to try and make up for it?

>>97633151
>"poor man's tremere"
I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>97633151
cause they been made as npcs clans at first same with the independents and the baali

What’s the Camarilla of Billings, MT like?

2 person chronicle is shaping up to be kino
>Verbena Carpenter and Etherite Mad Doc
>Lived very different lives, but both gave their Great Work all to the point of obsession
>Never met each other, yet they were kindred souls with a very similar goal, although for very different motivations
>Both died in extremely opposite contexts, but their lives were linked by destiny
>Their deaths were so shocking to their respective sons that caused them to Awaken despite the belief they were unable to
>Now, these two orphans have met and they must unravel the lives of their fathers in order to find answers. About life, their own existence and the conspiracies of a world immensely big and populated, but that feels suffocating and desolate
>The names of their fathers? Giueseppe "Geppetto" Collodi and Victor Frankenstein
>Yes, the players are The Creature and Pinocchio, who have Awakened

>>97633166
They made a Malkavian the Prince. Not because he earned the position, but because they are just that fucking bored.

>>97633177
Sounds interesting. Which one of the two are you playing and what are your spheres?

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>>97632787
umbras in general are sadly very superfluous because the dreaming, middle umbra and low umbra/shadowlands all have their own games

so they all have "demons" for example and to use your own example dimensions based on norse myth are a dime in a dozen like every umbra has a Valhalla: high umbra has the mythological valhalla as people imagine it. middle umbra has the evil odin's wyrm infested valhalla hidden somewhere and also the world tree. low umbra had valhalla as one of the minior afterlives found in the sea of shadows and the dreamings valhalla is what the aesin call arcadia

and all but the middle umbra one do the exact same thing with valkyires and einherjar and there are also vampires who use the same titles.

>>97632722
>Jesus, that's fucking awful
It's also just wrong. like. willfully incorrect bullshit being fed to you for the purpose of V5 ragebaiting. vampires doing 9/11 is something that is refuted and called lame in the first 20 pages of v5. swedracula does not have a "larp timeline" that served as the basis for v5 lore. vampires did not do 9/11. base v5 corebook even includes the sabbat coming back to fuck shit up all over the world, which was expanded in later books. it was never just the middle east. it was warzones, then it was lost and ancient places, and now the sabbat are basically back everywhere. but its got that same corebook v5 paradigm where they care more about winning their war than ruling fucking Cincinnati Ohio.

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>>97633260
CofD does a better job with alternate planes.

Can kindred produce saliva without blush of life?

>>97633385
Wouldn't it be bloody saliva?

>>97633385
what part of dead body did you not understand?

>>97633166
Given its population and location, it'd probably be a small court all things considered. I'd reckon the Prince would be an older Ventrue Ancilla, on account of how Billings growth was built on railroads and sawmills, I always figure those sorts of towns with a frontier industry origin to be fertile ground for young(ish) Ventrue looking to be their own Princes. And since it's now a general economic hub he or she has probably only tightened their grip on the town and may have one or two childer to cover the city's additional economic functions.

I'd also suppose it'd have a disproportionate amount of Gangrel, both from the Indians and the western Gangrel looking for more wild frontiers. As the city became a proper city, some of these Gangrel no doubt moved out but they'd still be an unusually common sight in the city. The Tremere Chantry is small but focused. Besides that, you'd have your usual smattering of Camarilla Clans and the occasional oddballs. I'm sure you could do something interesting with the nearby Crow Nation but I'm not sure what. As far as vampire cities go I'd wager it's fairly placid due to the small number of vampires and stable political scene, but one major problem would be Nomadic Sabbat, who have plenty of hinterlands to strike from.

not a local just looked up some details about the place and started spitballing.

>>97633154
sorry Tzigger, they monstermogged you back in the dark ages and they have way more blood sorcery than you.

How's it feel to be made obsolete by a bunch of fake vampires?

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What is your favorite fake splat?

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>>97633539
Princess.

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>He still keeps seething
Lmao
Did some Tzimisce turn your dad into a lampshade or something?

>>97633583
He's a Ducheski shitposter being payed to shit on the Tzims.

>>97633438
>I'm sure you could do something interesting with the nearby Crow Nation but I'm not sure what
Those damned Gale Stalkers!!!

>>97633653
Oh, so besides having his dad turned into a lampshade, he's also an inbred, traitor and retarded as well?
Figures

What's the biggest crashout in the books (oWod or CofD)? I'm talking the writer completely losing it.

A few contenders I can think of are Brucato in M20 screeching about archspheres and the revenant mage crashout in Blood Treachery (Achili?).

>>97633734
while not really a crash out Brucato also has a bit in the 2e mage storyteller book where he says that mage writers have never contradicted themselves outside of edition changes and then he contradicts himself on the use of vitae for spells in the very same chapter

the same book he also claims that he should be credited with the mage splat more than mark and the whicks and in general it reads like a seething loser's rant and i wonder how this got past editorial

>>97633780
>a seething loser
I mean, that's what Brucato has always been.

I'm planning a Chronicle, and I was wondering, what's the worst piece of shit hellhole in WoD? I mean somewhere that's not only depraved but also dangerous to the point going there is a suicide mission if you're "one of the good guys"? Is there a Nephandi/Tzimisce/Baali torture dome of a city in canon? The general idea is that the players are being sent to this place as a mission/punishment and no one that goes is there is expected to ever leave.

>>97633734
Would the whole "No, you can't play a nephandi" thing count?

>>97633822
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Chorazin
notable features tourists should keep in mind
>Shit ton of baali and azaneali
>cabal of infernalist (circle of red) liches
>a major demon
>largest and strongest remaining organ pit in the world
>5th gen (possibly the spectre of a 2nd gen using said 5th gens body) methusulah who ascended to demonhood

>>97633837
Thank you anon, this will help greatly. When everything is up and running I'll let you guys know if it went well.

>>97633822
Malfeas?

>>97633857
Wow that's good as well, I'll make sure there's a backdoor that leads there. Thank anon!

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>>97633822
If you are looking for a place that only the most stupid or the strongest would venture, two places come to mind.

Malfeas and Yomi.
If you end up in Malfeas with hostile intentions and get discovered, you will probably end up in slave pits. At least without similar powers equal to an entire Werewolf tribe. (And the last time Garou Nation busted into Malfeas, they lost the majority of their veterans)

Yomi is the same but this time not even all the Werewolves in the world can help you.

NEED some Sidhe ap Leanhaun pussy ASAP
This new captcha... am I actually a robot, bros???

>>97632828
The elders needing to eventually drain other vampires thing actually drives me a little crazy sometimes. The numbers just do not work out when vampires are slow and reluctant to embrace at the best of times. There's no way any older vamp is surviving without explicitly working towards it.

>>97632982
My ST is shit about crits in general, so messy crits are usually always punishments unless you can describe it well enough to get a willpower point back from roleplay.

>>97634022
House Fiona Bogan shortstack slut
House Beaumayn Sluagh doomer gf
House Gwydion Sidhe ojousama gf

Changeling has the best girls

>>97634022
>spoiler
Low IQ correlates with a strong connection to the dreaming

>>97632992
Unfortunately, no, just one of us is in Scotland. I'm not sure how most people get into games these days, but for me it's pretty much exclusively friend-of-a-friend stuff. I last played with Dave, who is joining a different campaign and the GM needs one more slot, so now I know Kelly, Stephan and Phil, and in turn can wind up in a game through them... repeat cycle. Mostly in person, but then someone moves away and we go remote, which then expands the number of people we can pull in, etc, etc. This group is a close friend, two people I know fairly well in distant cities and one guy from across the pond.

>>97633412
>>97633419
well then licking wounds to close them doesn't make any sense without some vampiric material being put into the wound. it was fine as saliva because you can see it as a kind of fuzzy, low end and localized ghoul effect but now it's just hokey.

>>97634607
Well you see anon, a long time ago one writer decided to put the phrase "all of a vampire's bodily fluids are replaced with blood" a single time in the core book. It had no mechanics attached to it whatsoever. That single sentence has led to decades of arguments and speculation as to just precisely what the fuck that phrase actually means/does.

>>97634077
>The elders needing to eventually drain other vampires thing actually drives me a little crazy sometimes. The numbers just do not work out when vampires are slow and reluctant to embrace at the best of times. There's no way any older vamp is surviving without explicitly working towards it.

Honestly, that's only a problem in V5 where Embrace is costly but before V5, it was so easy that some Methuselahs literally embraced people to eat them.

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>>97634937
You know the funniest thing is?
Vampires don't even store their vitae inside their blood vessels or anything like that. Undead flesh holds all the blood.

>>97634965
me when I'm a flesh sponge

>>97634965
This was the most retarded thing I've read, thank you for sharing it

While I dislike the idea of vampires actually being wyrmshit, I do like the idea that the Followers of Set are wyrmshitters in various stages of denial. The best Setite temples have at least a few fomori.

What are some of your own oWoD/CofD headcanons?

>>97633260
Now I’m just imagining a Valkyrie from each of these umbras debating who gets to have a warrior’s soul

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What would a Tzims think?

>>97635417
Is that was the kids are into these days?

>>97634077
>>97634943
The idea of a sufficiently high level vampire only being able to sustain themselves efficiently off of other vampires is pretty engaging, and can even make for some neato storytelling when a high level elder makes a kindred farm and opens up the potential for the childer to revolt in any other setting due to the exponential power scaling, but I think it sort of devalues the entire vampire secret society schtick. The whole old gen exploiting the younger gen theme is already part of vampire, I don't think it needs to be reused like that

>>97635417
Make no mistake, this guy might be a cannibal but he's just a very fucked up Akashic. Tzims would probably think he doesn't have enough exposed flesh
>>97635457
Sort of, JJK is genuinely good but it has a lot of flaws too. The anime just got a lot of people into it

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>>97635417
''cute...''

>>97635417
Looks stupid. Weebs have no sense of aesthetic.

>>97628378
>As an exercise for the reader, I'll let you take some guesses as to what was being set up before I reveal it.
Been feeling like I was forgetting something all day. Just remembered it. So, with all the info that's been set up about what I was handed, what was the eventual revelation?
I'm Malkavian. That's literally it.
Everything else was false leads set up to imply I was a Hecata or Lasombra, but the answer ultimately was that I'm crazy. The ST also seemed pretty convinced I had decided I was a Hecata and apparently bragged about the misdirection working? I actually thought maybe I had committed so much diablerie it had fucked up my sense of sense for the majority of the time, but no in the end I'm just Malkavian and it was business as usual.

He also stuck me with a bunch of expensive dots from the Cobweb loresheet, letting me communicate with other Malkavians nearby and such. Later in the campaign I decided to try and initiate the Calling to try and get some help while I was trapped. I was then informed that there are no Malkavians in Edinburgh. None at all. While we were looking for the Malkavian primogen. In Edinburgh.

I followed the sire-child family line and it turns out Himmler is one of Etrius' kindred descendants. lol

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>>97626372
Goratrix of all people has apparently manifested it.

>>97626372
I thought the third eye was more so a byproduct of getting the second dot of obeah/valeran rather than a bloodline quirk of the salubri.

>>97635716
Goratrix is on some next level bullshit.
>Came up with the original "juice a vampire ritual"
>Key to the founding of Ceoris
>Was half of the team that created Gargoyles
>Somehow talked his way into the Sabbat despite being the guy who came up with the bright idea to stick a Tzimisce in a blender
>Claims to have killed the Aztec god Tezcatlipoca

He's such bullshit it wraps back around into being great. Main reason I dislike the "Lord Tremere stole his body" plotline is that Goratrix is a far more interesting character than Lord Tremere himself.

Which is better?
Weather control koldunism or thaumaturgy weather control?

>>97635830
He is still ''alive'' for all its worth since his soul is trapped in a mirror. Which means as a spirit manifested in an object he's eligible to become a Mage familiar. Meaning we can add more bullshit to that list.

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>>97635473
You have to admit, some old ass Methuselah embracing some fuckwit, fattening him up and eating him is funny as fuck.

>>97636050
Nobody tell this guy what the Camarilla is actually for

>>97636083
Camarilla is like, young boys club pretending they matter.
Just like Sabbat "We are puppeted by True Black Hand" and Anarchs "We are puppeted by a shota 5th Gen Elder who is in turn puppeted by an ancient Methuselah".

>>97635473
>>97636050
Wait, how the fuck did the first few gens function at all, then? You get turned into a vampire, then immediately have to start making other vampires to feed on?

>>97636158
Nah that wasn't a problem until much later.

>>97636050
It is funny as fuck indeed, but I think it detracts from the setting generally.
>>97636158
Blood potency scales up overtime, so it wouldn't be a problem until there were already enough lower scale vamps to feast on anyway

>>97636158
Thirst of Ages was rare even among Methuselah. V5 is the one that made it near universal when it was poorly copying Requiem's Blood Potency mechanic.

>>97635716
only in becketts and only as a result of tremere's ritual of absorbing the tremere antitribu failing.

which is retcon because in the Transylvania Chronicles he stayed a 3rd gen because of the 10th dot ritual he used to body hop and he smited house goratrix just because he disliked them so he never gains the 3rd eye in revised, but then again it's not the most stupid think in bjd

>>97636239
Even in Requiem it was a limitation that was easy to bypass.

>>97635830
>Claims to have killed the Aztec god Tezcatlipoca
sealed not killed Tezcatlipoca as of revised is still in a box in the house goratrix prime chantry and the rest of the sabbat aren't sure what to do about that
>Somehow talked his way into the Sabbat despite being the guy who came up with the bright idea to stick a Tzimisce in a blender
ashen cults and rites of blood mention that he apparently has tzimisce methusulah friends with the guy in the later casually mentions that goratrix knows him well enough to complain about the neonates in his clan going infernalist if they don't have a teacher for thaum and how this complain made it so house goratrix didn't had to shovelhead

according to ashen cult
>he also figured out how to make artifical blood that can feed a vampire in emergencies (emergencies because the beast hates it and tries to frenzy)
>is the source of Rego Magica aka the tremere's ability to make new paths (meanwhile etrius just copied setite paths)
>figured out demon summoning and binding rituals in thaum
>and he and his inner circle also figured out how to do koldunic sorcery as Thaumaturgy in the dark ages while the Transylvania Chronicles claim that koldunic sorcery is somewhat of a blind spot for clan tremere even in modern nights

>>97635960
Koldun purely if you want to raise or lower the temperature by more than 10 degrees. Also summoning tornadoes.

Thaumaturgy if you want more dice to have more successes because you probably have 10 willpower.

>>97635979
a mage with goratrix mirror could actually do something really funny. according to the red sign book goratix's avatar didn't splinter like tremere's. this means that if goratrix is put back into a living body he could become a mage again (although he would need to learn sphere magic from scratch) unlike tremere who wouldn't get a new avatar because the death scream of his avatar can still be heard in the umbra from time to time

does anyone know in which mummy the curse book the 2e write ups for the other immortals are?

>>97636537
corebook

>>97636537
>>97636578
There's also a Vampire book for weird Immortals, something about fat people and keeping a routine.

>>97635417
Tzims would feel disgusted and insulted, and would turn it into lobotomized, retarded szlachta (so an average Jewjewtsu goyzen fan)

>>97635478
>Tzims would probably think he doesn't have enough exposed flesh
Yeah that's the one visual they have in common.

>>97629167
Made the local prince a frycook at a O-Tulleys my players went to as a hangout
Hidden in such plain sight you look right through him
>Even while the entire city was at war with Sabot and Demons the leader was serving undercooked frys and hamburgers with extra mustard

Can love blossom between virile Kithain men and fertile Nunnehi bitches?

No one:
The part of my brain that likes bashing IP's together: You could totally port the Surges from the Stormlight Archive into Mage as Linear Magic.

>>97638829
>virile Kithain men
Impossible to say as no such thing has ever existed.

Just finished the new NWG
It was fun, I liked it. Sybil/Sybil's player still has commitment issues but they toned down on some of the stuff I didn't like too much vibes wise.
Shame their ARETE FIVE wizard botched on his spell but he didn't seem to care much for his own faction anyway.

Bill continues to be fun, Samson continues to be stupid, the monkey has Arcane and deals 6 levels of damage with a single punch HOLY SHIT.

Now to wait another few months for the next one...

>>97638858
You could, but why would you?

>>97625801
You WILL wait, you WILL realise that it's a loredump episode and you WILL like it.

>>97639121
I quite enjoy NWG, I'll be listening to the new chapter soon. Glad to see these guys are mostly back on track
>>97639320
This is fine with me, as long as episode 6 is worth the build up. Allegedly it's their best looking episode yet, high bar compared to 3 and 5 but these guys haven't overpromised yet

>>97621936
What is this, the Numidium?

>>97639915
Tears of Blood was the GOAT but Bitten had some excellent powers I use for my games.

>>97639320
I think they're doing a bit of homebrew so I kinda want to know what they came up with for the coalition. It's bloat but we might as well see if it's good.

>>97639915
Where is Fate/ in this?

Where is hedgefag
I demand he reveal himself

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>>97639915
I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING LMAO THERE'S LITERALLY A HALF-NAKED MAN ON THE COVER (You can't even see his his face but you can see a normal wolf's head this is fucking hilarious)

>>97639915
Wizard/vampire:
>I want to fuck that
>Wow that's cool
Werewolf:
>Damn I want to get fucked by that(women)
>Damn, I want muscles (men)

>>97640341
Where does a gooner go about reading this illegally?

>>97630353
>larp ruleset
Does this exist for Promethean: the Created?

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>>97633320
>vampires did not do 9/11.
Mummies, however...

>>97641122
Come on, obvious NWO false flag. They needed to increase global surveillance in a coincidental way

Based on all these trivial ramblings, it seems that all one needs to succeed at making a World of Darkness game is to have a convoluted plot spread across multiple books.

>>97641224
It certainly doesn't hurt. It draws people in and gets them arguing and provides enough fodder for exegesis (and rpg exegesis is goddamned hilarious for all I'm guilty of the sin of it too). You can do it for the tabletop stuff too rather than just the books. It doesn't even have to be convoluted, the players just have to think it is and feel clever for unravelling it, or find it satisfying.

Vampires: There are spooooky political machinations and some sort of slightly arcane background - but not too arcane, that's metaplot-y. Dominate them!
Werewolves: There are aannnngry political machinations supported by spirits, bad actors, Ronald McDonald and the natural world. Kill half of those (depending on your personal viewpoint)!
Mages: There are mystical shenanigans going on! Using only in-game methods, drive your GM to real life suicide!

>>97641255
>Using only in-game methods, drive your players to real life suicide!
Wraith: the Oblivion...

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>>97641122
>>97641208
I be honest
*looks at Taftani
It is obvious who did it.

>>97641224
>>97641255
I think convoluted plot spread is less important than convoluted backstory spread. It's much more engaging to be in a story that's schizophrenic after the fact as proven by dark souls than it is to be in the middle of a schizophrenic shitstorm.
Of course because of V5's lacking popularity and the overall lack of enthusiasm for new plot generally, it might as well effectively be an after the fact schizo plot/backstory. I'd also like to add

Changeling: Everyone is quirked up whiteboy and hates the IRS. Using in-game methods only, make your ST horny and give him pent up sexual frustrations!

>>97641312
The pogrom can't come back soon enough

>>97641398
Fly the population of New York and everyone in California who has a net worth of more than 5000 dollars to the middle east, then turn it into a parking lot.

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>>97641341
>Changeling: Everyone is quirked up whiteboy and hates the IRS. Using in-game methods only, make your ST horny and give him pent up sexual frustrations!

>>97641255
>>97641341
Old vampire lore benefits from time and the ability to cherrypick that comes with it. I COULD go on and on about the old VtM lore I didn't like, but why would I? Either we just circle jerk about how much it sucks, or that lore is someone else's favorite and now we're gonna yell at each other for half the thread. I'd rather talk about things I enjoyed, like Goratrix's nonsense.

V5's setting gets flak that by in large even revised metaplot at its worst didn't because V5 is thematically contradictory at best, outright retconning things at worst. Its existence, and Paradox's very deliberate attempt to use it as a new "year zero" for Vampire makes it a threat to the old things people enjoyed. Even at the height of late revised apocalypse tomorrow metaplot every day, the people making the books were clear that this was not some sort of gospel they were trying to enforce on your table. The events in these books could be ignored or modified to suit your liking. The only possible exception is the Week of Nightmares, and despite how central to it vampires were, it effected Vampire the least. Mage and Mummy and Wraith were the ones that were really shaken up foundationally by it, and while not an expert, I know that a lot of magefags hated that change for the reason of it being restrictive.

>>97638890
The knights of House Gwydion would like to have a word with you.

>>97641428
>and despite how central to it vampires were, it effected Vampire the least
>One Jeet Vampire chimps out
>*Millions must die*
>Everything from garou from demons are affected
>Meanwhile Vampires (except for gypsies) just shrug it off
Got to love, how hilariously overimportant Vampires can be in wod

>>97641501
Sorry, I don't frequent gay bars.

>>97641418
Thank you anon, I'm glad you have enjoyed my tism.
>>97641428
No no anon, I WANT to hear about the old VtM lore you don't like. It's enjoyable, even if it leads to argument. The joys of life are nothing without the countershading provided by frustrations after all, and if we're all here for a hobby I may as well indulge others in what they don't like. Lord knows I rant about how I don't enjoy hunger or W5. Iirc I think the Week of Nightmares thing was hated because it drastically lowered the pool of available fledgling mages to throw out and still maintain lore coherency because of the whole
>lmao avatar storm ended pack it up losers
Wraithfags had their setting go postal, I think. Comparitively worse than just less Miggers.

WW2 Shark anon here, tonight’s game has been interesting

On the plus side:
>Got three new players. A Daughter of Cacophony, an Assamite and a Muscle Wizard (Tremere)
>We massacred a small army of communists raiding our train in Yugoslavia and got their loot
>Had to kill the innocent passengers who witnessed my Shark and the coterie using their powers
>Shark fed on 250+ corpses in this single night, his body started morphing and mutating, to the Tzimisce’s horror
>So Shark has already out-Sabbat the Tzimisce in our group and got further than her in a single night, and now he just out-body horror her

On the negative side:
>Assamite barely did anything except kill his mark, flee and shot two or three dudes… then he said our game was dogshit, didn’t want to explain why, then immediately left the game

I mean it’s not a loss, but we kinda were speechless at the end. He wanted an historically accurate game and we pretty much delivered (half the group are history nerds). We literally spend the last 10 to 20 minutes discussing on the geopolitical situation of Yugoslavia in the year we play, what we just accomplished and how it could fit with events that really happened. Dude was silent during that, ready to drop his bomb and fuck off.

>>97641087
no the larp community as a whole didn't really make the owod to nwod jump so only vampire and mage got larp rules sets. even werewolf got it's canceled

>>97642088
Werewolf Larp seems hard

>>97642111
there are quite a few mind eyes book for owod werewolf like even wild west and all the fera have their mind eyes books

but in my personal mind's eye that would just be a furry con with cocaine and violence

The Game That Cannot Scare Children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ngA5wLpmRs

>>97642128
>a furry con with cocaine and violence
I would go to that...

>>97642128
>>97642148
make it in the woods too

>>97642128
>>97642148
>>97642201
Columbia?