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The End Times will be prevented thanks to Cathay.

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>>97627830
The slightly more explicit bump on her chest in this piece confirms my suspicions that Miao Ying's breasts will be enlarged over the next few art pieces, in order to reflect the TW fanbase's desire.

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Anyone tried mixing the old bretonnian bowmen with the newer ones? Do they look out of place? The poses are similar but they're less ragged-looking.

>>97627873
Those are nice

>>97627830

Golems look nice, but they should've been downscaled to fit 60x100mm bases.

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>>97627830
She bows to Sigmarite chads.

Why do Chinese names sound like random baby noises?

>>97627910
Whatever do you mean comrade? Your words dishonour your ancestors.
--Bah Wah Wong, Taiwan Oblast

>>97627830
this would lead to conflicting feelings for the grognards. the seethe would be perfect.

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>>97627824
>Now that Cathay seems to have been fully released, what do you expect GW to release next for TOW?
Chaos Warriors and Knight at Adepticon.

>>97627824
>Thread Question
Anything BUT Kislev

>the tau gooners from 40gay have migrated to TOW and become Miaogooners
i hate nuhammer and its shit eating pay piggy fanbase so much its unreal

>>97627824
>Now that Cathay seems to have been fully released
you FOOL, they're still going to get a second dragon, the lion statues and the war compass/drum

>>97627969
Taugooners would take something unfuckable and goon to off model art.
Cathay is completely goonable by default.
Know your gooners.

>>97627969
Yet you spend your free time here. Curious.

>>97627979
Taugooners are worse, yes. But a gooner is a gooner. I don't want to share a hobby with hentai furry freaks.
>>97627980
It's curious indeed anon. I have no interest in TOW, I just play 6th and occassionally 8th. I hate what /wfg/ has become but I don't know where else to discuss WHF.

>>97627958
I hope not, those kits still look amazing and there are kits that need an update much more.

if they ever make lizardmen relevant in in TOW I want a full on D-day beach landing on the shores of cathay as revenge for their transgressions in lustria and an attempt at dragon genocide

>>97627969
I don't think you understand what kind of breed the korean ntr gooners that emerged from total war and cathay

>>97627969
More like the miaogooners from /twg/ migrated to /wfg/

>>97627995
It's very very likely that that is what is coming.

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>>97628004
>in a twist of irony, the lizardmen too miss their invasion target like the cathayan fleet did, and land on a different land

>>97627969
makes sense since miao is the only interesting and attractive female character in Warhammer Fantasy.

>>97627886
>they had sky lanterns 2500 years ago
so not only Cathay a cultural monologue it's also a tchnological one? It's incredible that career writers can be so much worse than literally Dave down the club who works in the crisp factory doing some hobby.

>>97628062
if we were to read between the lines, the cathayans got their main technological advancements (gunpowder and magic) from the dragons, and the dragons severely limit them both: industrial production is only in nan gau, and all wizards allowed to practice are kept at the celestial court, the rest of society is maintained as low tech vassals for the dragons' two megaprojects (the wall and the compass) and are oppressed by monstrous automatons and stealthy demonic birds, squashing dissent or overreaching in areas they're not allowed to, upward mobility into higher classes is also oppressed by the half-dragon bloodlines occupying the spots and the cathayans are not allowed to rally behind religious rites and practices either.

their stagnation, in light of all this, is inevitable and imposed, even if they might believe themselves to be in harmony with their benevolent leaders, they're for all intents and purposes cattle and neutered pets.

>>97623984
>What's their problem with them?
Because WHFB mjost of the gunpowder weapon is 15-16th century.

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>>97627824
>what do you expect GW to release next for TOW?

>>97627824
>TQ
Whatever is revealed at Adepticon, I don't think TOw will get anything before that outside of new Cathay models in separate boxes

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>>97628173
Luthor is the only one around, right?

>>97628173
not a real faction

>>97628224
nothing is a real faction until they are released.

>>97628224
Neither are Chaos Dwarfs then

>>97628224
Neither was Norsca

>>97628249
Incorrect

>>97628231
>>97628249
>>97628265
>triggered malding tww secondaries

>>97628266
They only got a list due to WD in the 90s, which is basically the same as Vampire Coast.
>>97628265
Norsca isn't a WFB/TOW army

>>97628280
>They only got a list due to WD in the 90s
you forgot the 4 different model lines they got across the years

>>97628270
>says he while one of the most successeful TOW armies is TWW3 army

>>97628288
that just shows are great cathay is. they really struck gold with it.

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>>97628293
numba wan

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>>97627830
>AoS in decline
>TOW on the rise
>different timeline
Choina....

POST ALARIELLE FEET

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Done at last, did some anti gloss on a few selective pieces- touched up the banner by burning it some more and picked out a suitable unit filler.

In true skaven fashion(fighting unfairly)
I also painted runes of supremacy on the flat portion of the movement tray to ensure hot rolls. - calling these boys complete- though I might put a different rogre filler in on occasion.

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>>97628381
Here’s the banner- in unit.

>>97628328
Because AoS trannies started playing TOW. That's not a good thing, by the way

>>97628293
I have yet to see a single anon here post anything cathay besides the guy with his terracotta jade warriors

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>>97627886
True, she can't resist that distinct Unberogen charisma.

>>97628118
well you've certainly proven my point given none of that is written in their lore.

>>97628421
>none of that is written in their lore.
yes it is, it's just scattered

>>97628286
They were also part of the original 6e Ravening Hordes list, showing that GW had every intention of releasing an army book for them. There's even a proto-book designed by Tuomas Pirinen floating about.

>>97628484
I mainly just don’t like the new people that entered into tow. It’s just a genuinely awful experience having to deal with them. I’m looking into other games now.

>>97628484
Correct

>>97628495
>showing that GW had every intention of releasing an army book for them.
They had more intentions of trying to nuke the setting than introduce new shit in 6e.

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>>97628413
We need a Sigmar version

>>97628502
Heaven forbid one ever has to interact with a new player in a wargame, the faggots should have been born with an encyclopedic knowledge of 8th if they want to play wargames with other humans.

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>>97628522
I just don’t like the general phenotype, or rather the mindset that they have.

>>97628522
They aren't "new players" they come from AoS and 40k. If they (You) were new players it would be fine, but instead they bring with them the mindset and behaviors of 40k/AoS players, which is a net negative for the Warhammer fantasy community and this hobby has seen a very stark reduction in quality since the influx of "new" players post-TOW

>>97627824
>TQ
Either the new WoC kits, or new Tomb Kings

>>97628506
6th edition was the longest-lasting and most fleshed out of any edition, with all the WD articles, chronicles, collector's guides, etc etc. So no, you're objectively wrong. Don't ask me why it took until 8th to re-release Chorfs.

>>97628579
>WD articles, chronicles, collector's guides
Genuinely what do these matter? They’re worth nothing.
You know what did matter? Storms of chaos.
>most fleshed out edition
I would hope considering they completely changed the setting from the transition from 5e to 6e.

>>97628569
You know what's funny is that warhammer players genuinely don't know what real wargamers are like, so they honest to God have no idea what you're talking about when you mention the Warhammer mindset/behaviors. It's like asking someone to describe a colour they've never seen

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>>97628589
>Genuinely what do these matter? They’re worth nothing

>>97628506
>intentions of trying to nuke the setting
that's 8th, not 6th
storm of chaos wasn't going to be the end times, it was meant to be a step forward in the timeline, retard

>>97628610
NTA, and I don’t necessarily agree with his concept that new players are bad, but people coming from 40k/AoS tend to bring a mindset of old models being bad, and having the idea of “oh well I’ll start *blank* army when it gets new models,” which I do find grating. Its not every new player though, plenty of new players I’ve interacted with have been very excited and pleasant.

>>97628623
By all accounts they wanted to end there.

>>97628625
Most old models are bad though, unless it’s warriors. Empire in particular is just dogshit upon dogshit. They should just 3d print though.

>>97628634
No, there was no such account, at all, again you're mistaking the talk surrounding the end times and the cancelled throne of chaos series.

Storm of chaos in fantasy was done in parallel with the eye of terror in 40k, in neither case gw wanted to end things, they were actually at their relative peak at the time and they were capitalising on that with a step forward.

>>97628639
I don’t think so. There are certainly some stinkers, but I think a lot of 6th-8th ed models have held up extremely well. I do think resin and metal should be replaced for the most part, but thats more bc of the outrageous prices they’re charging for them compared to plastics.

>>97628656
Alright anon lets completey ignore the writing that was on the wall since 5th edition. Let me just completely ignore the chaos book in particular.

>>97628669
There was no writing on the wall, no mention from any author, designer or lead about any plan for ending the setting there and then, apocalyptic fluff about the world ending forces of hell are not a statement of the intents of the company regarding the fucking game, you goddamn retard.

Go touch static grass instead of parroting out of context some second hand talking point of a shitposter arguing about fluff, as if that gives you a pretence of knowing what you're talking about, you don't, you're dumb and wrong and clueless, so take your platform shoes and fuck off.

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when are we finally getting Kislev?

>>97628694
You are wrong.

>>97628703
launch box at the end of summer, first half of the separate releases of this first wave in autumn, second half of the separate releases of this first wave in early winter.
second wave early spring next year.

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Do dwarf have knees or are their legs all femur?

>>97628709
prove it, post any account from the authors or company leads that talks about ending the setting in 6th

>inb4 this ominous fluff text means this growing company was going to trash things!!

>>97628725
they have vents

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>>97628381
>>97628385
Nice rats

>>97628725
Cotton Hill Syndrome
Damn rats blew off their shins with Ratling gun fire

>>97628731
No, I think I wont. You are as delusional as a tranny who is dead set in rejecting this reality that the setting was nearly curbed in its (relatively) early lifetime.

>>97628743
Dwarfs evolved to fight rats and gobbos better? I can believe it.

>>97628770
this was never funny.

>>97628763
>No, I think I can't
I accept your concession, now do like your father and be gone.

>>97628778
I've been on this thread longer than you have, and even shared 5th edition battle reports when this thread was worth it.

>>97628780
Nta you're arguing with but it's clear you have no argument. Back up what you're saying instead of "im le grog therefore I'm right!!" or fuck off. Give us some proof that GW were eager to kill WHF in 5th edition.

>>97628780
Sure, sure, you gonna prove any of this now or just cry and beg for people to believe your delusions?

>>97628775
You're wrong.

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Is it worth it?

>>97628844
Fuck no. The characters are ugly as hell and I dont want to bother with the peasants.

>>97627824
Expect? 11th Ed, or at minimum a new print of the books with the updated FAQ's. Then probably a new starter set late August-September, which I'd like to be wood elves and something cause Wood elves need a boost. Wood elves vs dark elves could be interesting if they wanted to expand that part of the world. Wood elves vs skaven if they want to do something with a siege on Athel Loren. But the wood elves tomb kings rumor also sounds most probable.
Hope? Kislev vs Vampire counts. Or dark elves vs Vampire coast. Neither if these are happening though.

>>97628844
If you want the new models, then yes.

>>97628852
Oh shit, also wood elves vs greenskins with a forest goblin sub faction. I'd love more forest gobbo giant insects and shit.

>narrative game
>look inside
>its just tourney shit
so this is just gw now huh. Maybe Horus heresy is better. Worst case I'll just stick with 40k.

>>97628933
what the fuck are you on about retard

>>97628933
Bad bait

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The more I read Temple of Spite and think about Black Arks, the more I realize I dislike them.
Why the fuck would anyone get into a ship with these things + delf galleys + norscans + monsters + regular pirates out there? Or live on the coast? How are places like Lothern or Marienburg/Westerland ever growing big and wealthy?
The only explaination I can think of (not supplied at all by the text) is that Black Arks are exceedingly rare. Like, in the single digits.

>order old damsels sealed in blisters
You know I've never actually bought sealed shit before, always second hand stuff I had to strip. I have weird feelings about having to open them, like I'm desecrating them.
Even though it's just cheapo plastic and paper from back in the day.

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I'm almost finished painting my first batch of Empire units so I need some advice.
The original plan was to do a border princes army with multicolored regiments of various racial persuasions.
I got some cannon and greatswords because I liked the models. From looking at the renegade crowns roster they can be made into veteran sellswords with great weapons and heavy armor.
Overall there seem to be plenty of choices so I'm a bit confused as to what to pick.
Advice would be appreciated. I'm looking to make a 1k pts list.

The only thing I'm set on is some fancy dressed ogres. Probably 6 of them with either great weapons or guns. Plenty of alternative sculpts for those.

>>97629052
What is this, the south lands penal legion?

>>97629071
Yes. Their motto is mors vincit omnes.

>>97629031
They are very rare. Also port cities are extremely well fortified usually, at least the examples you provided. I’m sure the economical benefits of being a port city outweigh the risk of maybe having one of these show up one day.

There’s also a lot of powerful “order” faction ships out there. Dragonships which are generally even bigger than Black Arks, plus the powerful Bretonnian navy, and Dwarf Dreadnoughts. So its to say Black Arks don’t just have free reign of the ocean.

>>97629052
Very cool minis, Anon. I like the grass and flowers

>>97629080
>Also port cities are extremely well fortified usually,
I think his point is that no ships would survive the journeys to and from said port city.

>>97629052
Looks good and grimy, anon. Love the freehand banner.

>>97629093
I see, though I still think the presence of equally or near-equally powerful vessels for the other factions help even the odds. I know the sea-lanes that Ulthuan use are extremely well protected.

>>97628489
>it is in my head
shoo shoo schizo

>>97629080
>I’m sure the economical benefits of being a port city outweigh the risk of maybe having one of these show up one day.
I meant more for the ships travelling there, I get the big trade cities will have both martial and magical protection.

That said you basically said it best, the only way for it to work is to have them be very rare. Like, one Ark per continent rare. Which I suppose is in line with the RPGs general "toning down" approach.

Just how powerful is Marienburg anyway to still be around? Their entire region might as well have a giant "INVADE ME" sign on it.
Obviously they needed Cathay to help them out recently but let's pretend TOW doesn't exist for a second.

>>97629116
scattered in the journal, everything I've mentioned is present

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>>97629126
Doylist explaination is plot armor to have a le merchant place in the world
Watsonian explaination is muh money to hire mercenaries, playing rivals against each other and I dunno, flooding the region like Holland irl?
I know you said to igonore TOW but one nice thing it did was flesh out Westerland and state explicitly (though I suppose you could reasonably assume it before) that there are "innumerable" small towns around it, including walled ones of decent size. Its not JUST Marienburg that has to contribute to its defence.

>>97628381
I so dearly regret not picking up these stormvermin before/when the new ones dropped. They're really hard to obtain nowadays.

>>97627969
If it's any consolation I'd rather fuck her dragon form

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This is so goofy it's great

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So the Doomfire Warlocks statline in Temple of Spite mentions models(in prey of the dark Prince rule)
wonder if 5e is going to be more model-supported than previous editions of WFRP or if C7 writer is lazy and just copied it from somewhere else

>>97629052
Some Cavallry would be nice. you could also add some Free Company militia

Did TOW finally get anything non-Cathay within the last few months?

>>97628844
xD

>>97629567
Wouldn't the new marauders fit that timeline?
also a reprint of the Witch Hunter Handbook

>>97628589
>collector's guides
>worth nothing
Anon does not appreciate historical and aesthetic snapshots for the various factions!
Anon is a crude and ignorant boor!
Also, the WD articles and chronicles are very important. That's how they used to distribute new rules, FAQs, erratas, new scenarios, new magic items, revised spell lores, etc. You're literally not experiencing the full glory of 6th without at least a summary understanding of the supplemental material.

>>97629586
My only experience with 6th was with 7th editions stuff.

>>97629577
Sort of I guess, I'm just wandering if there was anything after that. I've been taking a short break from the hobby and so haven't been following any new releases that may have come up.

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Dudes... Andy Law passed away.

>>97629040
Anon, I'm going to stop your right there. Your entire thought process is flawed. Those models were made to be assembled, painted, and played with. They're not holy relics that need to be preserved at all costs. Yes, they are of historical interest and rarer by the day but it's better and easier to preserve them once they're painted. Lead rot can be a real bitch. So, let them out of their plastic prisons! They won't do you, or anyone else, any good if they're locked up in their original packaging. And remember to take pictures and post them here when they're painted.
>>97629592
All the more reason for you to play 6th with the 6th edition stuff. It's a good edition. Some might even call it the best. Not sure I would, but I sure do like it.

>>97629595
>Alan Law 1948-2026
I'm pretty sure that's not Andy Law, it's probably his dad

>>97629598
f

>>97629598
Mea culpa, I misread. His father.
Disregard then.

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I want to build a TOW army but I can't decide between Wood Elfs and Beastmen.

>>97629080
>Dragonships which are generally even bigger than Black Arks
They arent. Dragonships have an advantage over black arks because they have special magical weapons which can sink them, not because theyre bigger (because they arent).
Dwarf dreadnoughts are also markedly nowhere near the level of an ark (or even very high tier in general as far as naval powers go). An entire dwarf fleet of ironclads shits itself over the idea that there might be a black ark nearby in a manowar blurb (for good reason, a couple of those successfully besieged barak varr (the hold))

>>97629031
There are double digit numbers of NAMED black arks, and there is strong indication those numbers are not representative of the majority of them (especially because a lot of them are the ones we know confirmed lost and theres no indication theyre any rarer for it).
Black arks ARE rare, but theyre not exceedingly so.

The real answer for "why you would live near the water" is that its useful, and the threats dont outweight the benefits (and if youre a high elf your navy can and has fought the dark elves to a standstill if not victory multiple times - the number 1 spot in naval warfare is elven by a fucking landslide).

But also, theres plenty of dangers on land too. Sure, a black ark might show up and sack any given coastal settlement outside Ulthuan at basically any time, but some beastmen or orcs or chaos warriors might show up and sack any inland settlement outside ulthuan at any given time too. The world of warhammer is just dangerous and brutal like that.

>>97629118
>>97629093
The ocean is a very big place. And dark elves seem to prefer raiding actual settlements since theres more people there to enslave. Your odds of running into a black ark at sea arent massive, and piracy has always been a risk with naval transportation.

The benefit however (travelling lots of distance very quickly with lots of goods) is worth it. Especially because its not like overland transport is any safer.

>>97629624
meant for >>97629598

>>97629635
the beastmen Battlion box is a better deal than the Wood Elf one
Their AJ is also better

>>97629598
Such is life

>>97627845
Your tomb guard look great anon.

>>97629126
Theyre sorta freeloading the empires armies for defense (not that they dont have their own). The empire needs marineburg, and the empire needs it enough that any sort of chaos/greenskin/whatever threat against them would require stopping because the empire gets a lot of trade through there and wouldnt want to lose it.

The empire itself cant invade marineburg because the empire lacks the navy needed for it, and marineburg is in good with the elves in terms of naval defense (at least by "the end times" or whatever you want to call "current day" whfb as opposed to TOW). Invading it would be expensive both economically and in terms of political capital and risk destroying what makes it valuable in the first place.

Marineburg is also wealthy and invests into its own defense, often hiring forces from the empire and investing in their own via things like the landship.

Marineburg isnt a military powerhouse by any measure, but its in a very lucky position in terms of defense where its just durable enough to be able to be independent and valuable enough to still receive protection from its bigger neighbours and trading partners.

>>97629031
A black ark is rarely going to be an actual danger to you because the black ark itself is basically a base for launching invasions more than a warship.

Sure, theyre insanely powerful, but theyre not outright invincible, throw a fleet or two at them and you can manage to bring them down. And even if you cant, theyre there for economic reasons rather than conquest, so theyre not interested in attacking defended settlements and positions because theyre going to lose people and take damage and theyre not interested in that.

A black ark isnt going to show up in port and attack you (unless youre really unlucky), its going to park itself a good bit out and send its escort fleet out to do raiding on any undefended targets in the area, and then probably leave before the opposing forces make the venture non-profitable. Because even if it CAN defeat you at sea, its operating on predator logic. It gets nothing from winning a fight and stands to lose a lot if it takes damage, so why risk it. Why lose ships or crew fighting an opposing fleet? In that way even a token defense can protect against dark elves.

>How are places like Lothern or Marienburg/Westerland ever growing big and wealthy?
Lothern has naval forces that can fight the dark elves in a head on military capacity and win. So that helps. The westerland is at a relevant naval juncture, so that helps too.

To go back to the predator analogy with dark elves. Predators existing doesent mean prey cant exist, wolves eat deer, but deer still live in places that have suitable food for them. Cathay, Lothern, Marineburg, Magritta and so many other places are going to get wealthy from trade even with dark elves raiding them. Because theres more merchants than dark elf raiders out there.

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>>97629160
Love them

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Favorite chaos minis?

>>97629763
6e Archaon or Belakor.

>>97629740
To add to that, for Dark Elves to raid the Old World fundamentally requires them to pass Ulthuan and have an entire ocean + a continent of their sworn mortal enemies between them and home port.

Any dark elf fleet raiding the Empire, Bretonnia or Estalia is going to be FAR from home and surrounded by very hostile powers. Situations like that mean a small battle can quickly snowball into an absolute shitshow for a black ark fleet, and they HAVE been sunk like that before.

>>97628844
The savings look to be similar to the other boxes, keep in mind this box has more than the battalions/reinforcement box because it comes with the Astromancer dual kit. So it’s not really another price increase it’s more so that it’s a bigger box. Usually savings on these are like 30%ish compared to buying individually.

>>97629778
Exactly, its why they love raiding cathay so much, ulthuan and its surrounding waters are not safe places to be even for a black ark.

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>>97629763
I don't own it (yet) but the fly mutant Slaanesh champion has always been one of my favorites

>>97629040
Nice! You must be the guy from yesterday. Miniatures are made to be painted! Don’t think of it like you’re desecrating something by opening them, think about it like they were waiting for you all these years because they were meant for you. And make sure to show us when you finish them!

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>>97629763
It's been five years since I painted this champion of Tzeentch and he's still my favourite. I wish I got the chance to use him in more games, he's only taken to the field of battle seven times.

>>97629812
>>97629619
Yeah I figured why not give ebay a try again. Probably spent a bit more than I should have but whatever.
And yeah I will absolutely paint them but it still feels a little weird after they have been sealed for this long.

>>97629636
>The world of warhammer is just dangerous and brutal like that.
because GW loves grimderd and doesnt think shit through THO
>brooo the forests are full of beastmen brooo the mountains are crawling with orcs brooo
yeah okay faggots nevermind the fact that all those big cities need millions of farmers to feed them, which wouldnt be possible if theres beastman warherds, orc waaaghs and chaos armies running around year after year
altdorf has a million people living in it according to the latest rpg book
at the same time we are told the rivers, roads and the reikwald can barely be traversed because of all the beastmen, bandits and other shit in them
yet altdorf can still be fed no problem
it makes no sense and it never has

>>97629857
>which wouldnt be possible if theres beastman warherds, orc waaaghs and chaos armies running around year after year
Who exactly are those beastmen raping and killing if not farmers? Obviously farmers exist, they just die a lot because they live in a dangerous world.

>>97629854
The tomb-stench of long-sealed models is a potent narcotic, anon. Some say it makes you paint better. All the more reason to release these models from their polymeric prison as soon as possible.

a little excited for the new AJ fluff

>>97629875
Plus the beastmen fertilize the fields for when the new farmers show up.

>>97629857
>altdorf has a million people living in it according to the latest rpg book
It doesent. Paris had a quarter of that in the 16th century.

The city of altdorf does not have a million people in it. The "greater altdorf area"/"reikland" might have a million people living in it, but one million would be insanely big for a city of the time period (although then again if villages and farmers get raped and eaten by beastmen on the regular, you could see a lot more urban flight than irl)

>>97629857
>we are told the rivers, roads and the reikwald can barely be traversed because of all the beastmen, bandits and other shit in them
Propaganda is a powerful tool against uneducated farmers.
There is probably only 1-2 beastmen attacks a year in each province, never a major danger. Waaaghs are definitely a concern, but the military deals with that so the peasants rarely have too. The soldiers would bring back story's that spread the danger.

>>97629857
>yet altdorf can still be fed no problem
Can it? Or is it constantly verging on an incoming famine while the poorer classes go hungry? Is altdorf living comfortably on the back of stable supply networks or is it one bad week from riots and food shortages?

>>97629857
Beastmen are a regional issue, generally centered on the massive old growth forests that still exist in the Empire.

Drakwald is full of them, which is why Middenheim has such a long, historical grudge match against beastmen.

But Reikland in general is relatively safe up until you get towards the mountains to the southwest. Travel along the river Reik is quick compared to land passage and it would be constantly patrolled due to how much commerce takes place.

The road between Altdorf and Nuln would similarly be well traversed and guarded, since exported cannons and other blackpowder necessities would be constantly heading out to other parts of the nation.

I think the "it's so dangerous, anywhere between cities is a PVP zone" is more of a Nordland/Ostland/Ostermark thing, with maybe eastern Talebecland/Stirland too.

The eastern and southern mountains of the Empire are definitely filled with greenskins, so being close to those would invite raids. Being close to Drakwald means beastmen would be a major concern.

But it's not evenly spread across the whole Empire, and one could argue Altdorf is as central and important as it is simply because it IS in the safest place of the Empire.

>>97629857
>altdorf has a million people living in it according to the latest rpg book
And far less according to every other source. So they probably put an extra zero in there by accident and its actually 100k like in 2e.

>>97629892
In its defense, all major Warhammer cities are absurdly massive in physical scale. With how there seems to be a major, genocidal war every generation, I could see why magically supported urban flight would be a much bigger thing much sooner in WHFB.

>>97629595
>>97629567
The marauders. Funnily enough the Cathay next wave was revealed before the marauders but is only now just going up for pre order tomorrow. Whereas the marauders have been here for a couple months already.

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>>97629892
>It doesent.
kek
>inb4 cope about muh rpg books dont count

>>97629884
I’m curious for the Chaos side of things, if there’s even much. Not really interested in Cathay at all.

>>97629938
>inb4 cope about muh rpg books dont count
Anything after WHFRP 2e is non-canon, outsourced slop

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>>97629938
if anything, it's higher than 1million as gazetteers only account for certain groups and Altdorf has a lot of Slums

>>97629932
Something something bronze age megacity logic.

>>97629923
>every other source.
Meaning what, the single one (1) in 2nd ed?

>>97629938
>>97629962
The bigger issue isn't feeding these people, it's the sanitation issue. Magic can account for fresh water to a large degree, especially with elf and dwarf tech. It's the extraction that matters more.

>>97629969
Theres also 15k from heirs of the empire iirc

>>97629906
>Can it? Or is it constantly verging on an incoming famine while the poorer classes go hungry?
I mean, it does help that the Empire has always had actual, legit druids and other wizards who can help influence harvests.

After the Colleges of Magic are established, I could only imagine the Jade College would become even more influential due to being the deciding factor whether the nation starves or feasts.

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>>97629972
>it's the sanitation issue
>issue
I like to think of it as "sanitation opportunity"

>>97629972
A lot of Empire cities have large Dwarf made Sewer Systems, which presumably are very effective

>>97629972
>>97629980
>magic did it
At this point we are on the same level as GRRMs retarded multi year summers/winters

>>97629993
But it's actually true, college sanctioned wizards are their own class of nobility because they're incredibly useful to society even outside of battle magic.

I actually like worldbuilding that takes magic to its logical conclusion. Magic isn't prevalent enough to completely define Empire society but the effects of it can be seen everywhere. How else do you get Middenheim being like 2 kilometers tall?

>>97629993
The areas just south of the chaos wastes can support nomadic populations numbering in the millions despite food being nearly impossible to farm, monsters being everywhere and an actual god of disease stomping around. Magic plays a very big role in every human population in WHFB.

>>97630030
>Magic plays a very big role in every human population in WHFB.
*Poorly thought out worldbuilding and writers not caring plays a very big role.

>>97630045
I think if Chaos just killed people like radiation instead of twisting them into useful minions, elves + humans would have already completely conquered and pacified the world.

Which wouldn't be very good for a game called Fantasy Battles.

seems GW is doing an official Battle March event at Warhammer World in the summer.

>>97630076
Yeah I saw that, 600 points. Quaint.

>>97630068
>Which wouldn't be very good for a game called Fantasy Battles.
Which was my point. GW writers did not sit down and think through how all this would work. They thought "endless dark hordes of the cold north" sounded cool and went with that, logic be damned.
Some writers try more than others. Alan Bligh having the Chaos army running intro trouble with food and water twice in Tamurkhan comes to mind.
But its mostly token, and doesnt come up much elsewhere. For the same reason you kinda pointed out, for the same reason words like "farming" and "industry" occur maybe once or twice in your average army book.
Its about the battles.
Pretending Warhammer is more well thought out than that is cope, frankly.

>>97630093
it's seems to be a popular format for one-day events so I wouldn't be surprised if we see more in the future.

Does anyone have sea wardens of cothique link?

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>>97629763
something about this dude spoke to me once
he looks 40k, but he keeps whispering to me that he isn't 40k

>>97630114
https://gofile.io/d/pskHAD

>>97630098
>Pretending Warhammer is more well thought out than that is cope, frankly.
I would hope that was obvious to anyone who ever read "The Empire and Bretonnia sent a million knights on crusade to Araby"

It's not even the ridiculous notion that those two nations together could possibly have a million combined armored nobility, but that they had a million *spare* knights to send out on crusade without completely depleting the defenses of their own realms ON TOP of somehow having the logistics train to support that million man (and horse) army.

>>97630134
Just to put this in a better context, at the HEIGHT of WW2 the United States had 3 million men in Europe between the actual fighting men, supply guys, air force, advisors, etc

It was a logistical miracle it could ever happen.

The first Crusade IRL was roughly 160,000 infantry, knights, etc and that was a massive cross national undertaking.

>>97629993
I always ignore numbers in any fantasy story desu, it's bound to get retarded at some point. Funny you mention grrm, I'm currently rereading asoiaf and it's always hilarious when the iron islands are supposed to be some major threat when it's a bunch of shitty barren rocks with a combined area of like 1/20 the other kingdoms. Numbers man.

>>97630103
Indeed. It’s also a great format if you want to onboard new players. Get them in to try by offering them a 500-600 point experience that isn’t very expensive to get going and won’t take a massive amount of time to paint and you’re more likely to have that person expand and stick around vs hosting a 2000 point event where new players will rush to build everything and probably won’t have time to paint it all.

>>97630068
>I think if Chaos just killed people like radiation instead of twisting them into useful minions, elves + humans would have already completely conquered and pacified the world.
Based on?

>>97630030
Thats because those people are aligned with said god of disease and eat said monsters. Its actually quite easy to imagine that large scale societies of nomadic hunters can survive when theres a lot of enormous megafauna for them to hunt.

>>97630158
>always ignore numbers in any fantasy story desu, it's bound to get retarded at some point.
Giga brain IQ, unironically, everyone should do this.

>>97629993
>At this point we are on the same level as GRRMs retarded multi year summers/winters
Those arent literal "seasons", theyre periods of hot cold. You might have multtiple of what we would consider seasons within a given summer/autumn/spring.

>>97630213
The High Elves wouldn't have lost their globe spanning empire, for one. Even if daemons were mostly responsible for the events leading up to Caledor creating the Great Vortex, the vast majority of Chaos' influence after had to be through mortal armies that continued to wear down the diminished Elven empire.

Without those, they could easily rebuild to the height of their former glory.

>>97630221
Yeah, exactly. They have magical support (in the form of the gods doing them "favors") that make any of it possible. Eating chaos mutated monstrosities would poison and kill anyone else, if not cause them to mutate into slaves to darkness themselves.

>>97630098
>Alan Bligh having the Chaos army running intro trouble with food and water twice in Tamurkhan comes to mind.
The reason you dont hear much about chaos armies in regard to food and water is that most chaos troops dont need food and water. Chaos warriors do not eat, they do not need drink, they do not need sleep. They dont get sick (via normal disease) and they dont get hot or cold or tired. Theyre functionally space marines powered by murder and dark magic.

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Speaking of numbers and retarded world building, why are beastmen so plentiful agin? I can understand greenskins (if anything I feel like greenskins are under represented in fb) regrowing, but beastmen seems like just pure magic. They don’t have the biology of skaven or greenskins, but still somehow seem to occupy every corner of the forests.

>>97630237
The High Elves (and dwarfs) lost their empire because of the dark elves, not because of chaos. You could literally remove chaos from the picture and the war of the bear and subsequent collapse of both empires goes exactly the same.

>>97630244
>how do the prolific monster rapists that live in the forests that dominate most of the old world have such big numbers
By living in the forests and raping people?

>>97630244
Essentially immune to the need of warmth, light, or shelter. So the can live anywhere and are sentient enough to use their space effectively. It's also suggested they breed very rapidly.

>>97630243
>is that most chaos troops dont need food and water
Pure cope.
Chaos warriors, yes, the plate wearing minority. The rest, no.

>>97630244
>hardy so sickness and shit isnt a problem
>multiple sources of population growth (have their own females, compatible with humans, can happen via mutation)
>large areas of compatible habitat
The better question is how humans managed to survive at all. Especially soft ones like imperials or bretonnians. Logically humanity not aligned with chaos would have been smothered in the crib millennia ago by forces they can barely fight with guns, cannons and an industrial base.

But its a "theyre in the main series so they survive the prequel" situation in that regard.

>>97630257
>>97630264
Source for any of this?

>>97630280
>chaos warriors, yes
So then also chaos knights, chosen of both varieties, charioteers and so on.

That leaves what in terms of people who need to eat and sleep? Marauder auxilia? Warhounds? The main force of a chaos army is basically separated from logistics.

>>97630288
>So then also chaos knights, chosen of both varieties, charioteers and so on.
Plate wearing minority, in other words.
>The main force
Nope.

>>97630293
>Plate wearing minority, in other words.
Most of a chaos warrior army is chaos warriors. Chaos warriors wear chaos armor.

Do you guys actually set your games in the Old World time period? All my games are set in the main WFB time period and I use special characters from then frequently.

>>97630306
I dont use special characters so it literally doesent matter to me.

>>97630244
beastmen aren't saturating each corner of the forests, but even small groups probably move fast enough to essentially patrol large territories, so they may feel omnipresent

and literal magic is also one of the ways by which they spawn, yes

>>97630252
That's not true at all, the Elven empire never returned to its pre-Anaerion splendor after the daemonic invasions that led up to the Great Vortex.
Ulthuan was already becoming filled with abandoned settlements due to population loss during Malekith's era, the civil war just sealed the deal.

The dwarves would have never stood a chance against a full strength Elven empire, who (without the war against chaos) would have had thousands of years as an uncontested colonial empire before the war of the beard ever happened.

>>97630244
In case it wasnt blindingly obvious anon, you should just come up with your own explaination.
Look at this shit
>>97630257
>>97630264
>>97630281
>>97630313
Four different answers because this setting runs on rule of cool and is written by 50 different people. And then, depending on what they read, some grognard will come here and preach something he read in a BL novel 20 years ago as gospel

>>97630306
I kind of get why dwarven engineering doesn't change much between the TOW and WFB time periods, but I still don't understand why the Empire fights in the exact same way with the same uniforms, same weapons, same armor and same tactics in TOW as it does 200 years later in WFB.

>>97630130
Ty anon

>>97630314
Not true. Elvish population decline actually occured during a period of relative peace and stability following the 2nd big war with the dark elves (iirc), in the time the dark elves would call the age of hateful peace.

Ulthuans peak in terms of power and territorial extent was following the reign of aenarion/after the vortex was completed, thats when they started venturing into the old world proper and establishing settlements there (and trade relations with the dwarfs, which brought much wealth to both kingdoms).

The elves were not some massive world spanning empire before the great calamity, and much of the old world (and new world, at least up north) was actually dominated by chaos civilizations during that time. They were the domain of demon princes and sorcerers (who then proceeded to fight each other rather than work together to take over the world, in typical chaos fashion).

>>97630328
>Four different answers
>three of them are a variation on "theyre hardy and rape people"
try harder anon

>>97630348
Nigger, you get the point. I get your autism got triggered but come on.
Fact is, we're all here typing paragraphs over a setting that has more in common with comic books than anything else. Just stop and bang some action figures against each other.

>>97630328
>the setting allows for multiple easy and logical answers to any apparent worldbuilding problem

>that's somehow bad

>>97630301
this discussion began with >>97630243
>most chaos troops dont need food and water
>troops
maruaders etc count toward troops

>>97630372
>you get the point
That if there are multiple factors at play people will emphasize them or phrase them differently?

None of those answers given were contradictory or out of line with one another. It wasnt "actually evil mages make them in their labs" vs "they come from the moon" vs "they spawn out of the earth".

>>97630395
>the setting allows for multiple easy and logical answers to any apparent worldbuilding problem
read: muh magic/chaos
barely a step above saying "dont think about it too hard bro"
i think your attachmenet to the setting blinds you to its flaws bro

>>97630397
Do you think "troops" was used to mean the gameplay category of core choices or something?

>marauders count towards troops
Sure. Marauders are not however the majority of a chaos warrior army. That would be chaos warriors. Marauders might be the majority in a norse raid or whatever, but thats an entirely different matter.

>>97630411
no idea what gave you that idea
>Marauders are not however the majority of a chaos warrior army.
source?

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>>97630405
>"actually evil mages make them in their labs"
I have that for one of my home-brewed factions

>>97630434
>chaos warrior army
theres your source retard

>>97630406
>beast-men breed fast, move fast, and are more resistant to the weather, like beasts
>muh magic/chaos
the flaws are in your head

how tall are you again?

>>97630439
i accept your surrender

>>97630435
And I have it for beastmen in my homebrew setting (part inspired by darkest dungeon), but thats not really relevant to beastmen in whfb

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Check it out it's moon mommy

>>97630549
AKA Quan Chi's (Tzeentch) greatest soldier

>>97630549
The attempt to try and imitate Chinese art is failing so fucking bad here. It’s too detailed, leaves little to the imagination, and the worst part, it’s too human like.

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>>97630549
I do NOT trust her

>>97630566
Now this is better. It doesn’t feel like it’s trying to be something it’s not. It’s organic. Is there more to this?

>>97630549
Yeah that bitch is 100% evil lol

>>97630561
Who gives a shit how accurate it is to Chinese art, it looks great. You're unironically a hater.

>>97630570
In the end times books, yes, but that's not the moon empress, the shapeshifter that's ruling cathay and setting it against chaos, it's lileath, the elven moon goddess with a habit of pretending to be someone else and using humans for her anti-chaos plans

>>97630331
The reason being that for a long period the Empire is divided into three parts, which limits innovation and progress.
That’s at least how I see it

>>97630549
This may be the first Cathay book I pick up (for the lore)

>>97630549
oh great it's that other plothole in the shoehorned faction

>>97630549
cathay keeps on delivering cool shit

>>97630611
Where?

>>97630605
what plothole?

>>97630549
Looks a lot like Meow.
This is me being surprised that someone looks like their parent.

>>97630611
Agreed, the art in the new book is fantastic from what we've seen so far. Actually making a Cathay hater (me) kinda want to play them

>>97630635
the empress

>>97630646
she's an incognita, not a plothole, get your shit together

>>97630549
Bitch needs to get some sun

>>97630691
Ain't that her husband?

>>97630698
Nah her husband is the Celestial Dragon. IIRC she's called the Moon Empress because she allegedly " descended from the moon " aka she's a Tzeentchian infiltrator.

>>97628703
As soon as Vladimir Putin drops dead.

>>97630770
>we won't get Kislev for years because Prigozhin was a retarded bitch

>>97630691
>>97630698
>>97630713
He is the Celestial Dragon but as it says here>>97630549 his section of the city of Wei-Jin is called The City of the Sun.

>>97628716
>releasing the ice ice ice winter bear army in summer
If they were that close to release we would've heard more by now. That tk vs we elf box is looking more likely (against all odds). Kislev might be an end of the year release though.

>>97630561
The artist can't change his style enough to imitate historic artwork

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>>97630561
>>97630811
It looks like Imperial Chinese portraits but cranked up to 11, which is appropriate because it's Warhammer and not historical China.

>>97630817
sure but compared to the artist's other TOW work it's not changed in style enough for the portrait similarity to work

>>97630817
Lmao the gunt guarding for this gay furry chinkslop is unreal

>>97630865
I completely disagree and think you should compare the two again.

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>new TOW art of cute Chinese woman
>anons get upset

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>>97630872
no it's 100% the inspiration im just saying the artist didn't really alter his art in any way to make it seem like a piece of in-universe artwork
Here's the Miao one he did for the Wasteland book

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>>97630871
Furry? That's the other chinese army GW makes.

>>97630887
Is it me or does she not look asian at all

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I will write next thread but played four Battle March games as Orcs. I never, ever thought an army could be so fun and in total contrast to my Chaos, it feels like an army.

My Orc unit staying power is great and I have different components to my army besides hoping my Knights do enough damage. In one game, my army was destroyed, only my Big uns and general left. They held and routed the brets from the field!

Against Elves, a combat went on for 2 turjs, 4 combats and desoite my general dying eventually, the big uns shoved the last unit of elves abd their general off the board!

Was amazing!

>>97630894
Just you.

>>97630894
looks like an elf in a wig. At least the artist improved, this looks like shit I'd find on newgrounds.

>>97630893
You're thinking mantic, the other chinese army gw makes it's mostly elves

>>97630900
Battle March is a very fun little way to play. Been having fun with it. Glad you had some good games anon.

>>97630900
Kino. I think you're onto something in terms of people sleeping on regular orcs.

>>97630549
>>97630887
I don't think these are the same artist. The Miao portrait looks like it was done by the guy who did most of the AJ covers for the initial armies. Whoever did the Moon Empress art looks like a more skilled artist ( or at least I prefer their style to the other one )

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are we done with cathay yet?

>>97631004
This is almost certainly the last Cathay release of this edition. WoC at adepticon 90%, 10% we see the TK vs WE box teased.

>>97630992
They're all from LJ Koh.

>>97631008
Oh. Well good on him, he is noticeably improving then.

>>97631007
>this edition
Please don't tempt fate

>>97630992
>>97631008
That one artist has done like 99% of all new TOW artwork I guess if you're tasked with being the only artist for an entire gameline, you improve

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>>97630921
Thanks anon, it was proper mint! Hope you had good games too!

>>97630978
My first game, a wizard with doom bolt and ruby ring was bombing my regular orc boyz all game. Between the mass of bodies and T4. They pushed through. Borgut (Black orc masquerading in the army after his clan got killed by my general) eventually caught the wizard and killed him.

>>97631028
What do you mean? Cathay is obviously going to get more stuff in future editions. There's still like a half the roster from TWW they could use to fill it out.

>>97631004
>>97631007
Looks like it. The only unit missing from the army that's from TWW is jade warrior crossbowmen. Them, maybe a celestial dragon guard upgrade kit, and we are up to speed.

>>97631039
Just that I really don't want to end up like 30k

>>97631043
We don't have upgrade spruces yet

>>97631042
They had way more unless you mean just vanilla Cathay, though we're missing the alchemists and longma cavalry. Also the dude dragon whose name I forgot.
Also technically a second bigger balloon but we'll let that one slide.

>>97631055
I forgot about the Alchemist.

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>>97631054
Not so fast

>>97631042
>>97631039
>Celestial Dragon Guard
>Celestial Dragon Crossbows
>Sky-Junk
>Peasant Horsemen
>Great Longma Riders
>Nan-Gau Grenadiers
>Jade Warrior Crossbows
>Onyx Crowmen
>Jet/Jade/Celestial Lion (temple dogs)
>Great Moon Bird
>War Drum
>War Compass
I don't think they will all make it in because the TOW team seems to want to keep it more grounded (good), but there's lots to draw from TWW still.

>>97629160
Trolltrader still has them.

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>>97631065
And I forgot about peasant horsemen and nan-gau grenadiers

>>97631079
I think the grenades are just a weapon option for iron hail gunners in TOW

>>97631079
>nan-gau grenadiers
thats what the new gunners effectively are. Or the balloons.

>>97631087
Would make sense but they don't seem to be in the kit. Then again GW haven't really been in depth with the new models.

>>97629355
This is great fluff.

>>97631098
It's an upgrade. The diet leadbelchers either do d3 shots at 12" or one shot that does d3 hits at 9".

>>97629763

While I never owned them, the 6th edition metal knights are great. The latter plastics are a bit goofy, though I own 20 of them.

>>97629635
Beastmen brah. Join us

>>97629635
What makes you angrier, walls or campfires?

I feel like reading some BL slop. I've read a chunk of Gotrek and Malus long ago what are some other well regarded ones?

>>97631224
Which Gortrek books did you read? I like all the early ones. I really like Trollslayer despite it being more a collection of interconnected short stories rather than a traditional novel.

>>97631224
Riders of the Dead is good
Brunner the Bounty Hunter is another good series
William Kings tryoin and Teclis series is also decent

>>97631224
Wulfrik if you want to come out of it hating wulfrik.
Its a good book, but its arguably "too good" in that rather than the usual felatio a black library novel does for a character (designed to have them be the coolest and the best and sell you the model) wulfrik is shown as a terrible person who does terrible things and has his life ruined by malevolent gods.

>>97630900
What's it like playing the orks in tow?
I was thinking about them as my second army.

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>>97631293
NTA but they are the second most popular army for a reason. They can be built quite strong, or very flavorful and goofy or anywhere in between. The roster is absolutely massive and you have a ridiculous number of options.

>>97631224
The thanquol books are pretty good (and frankly better than the later series G&F ones).
Death and Dishonor was a fun little anthology.

>>97631293
Orcs? Decently costed melee infantry with a lack of truly elite options. Very competetive/good at the "low tier" units department (black orcs are insane at 12ppm) but a lack of heavy cav hurts them.

Greenskins in general? Fanatics are insanely overpowered this edition.

>>97631240
The first 5 or so, and the one with Khalida/TK for the novelty.
>>97631241
I was eyeing the Brunner series already so that works out.
>>97631284
Might be amusing, I'll keep it in mind for when I want some chaos stuff.

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>>97628004
Lizardmen don't even need to land in Cathay, they use their HAARP device.

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>GW only brought back the landship for MTO, not as a regular item
>Didn't buy one because I thought I'd get one later

>>97631335
When did they bring that back for an MTO?
I heard the mould got shattered and GW couldn't be bothered to replace it.

>>97631335
>>97631345
Are you guys thinking of the War Wagon? I don't think the Landship was ever MTO for TOW.

>>97631345
The wagon. Afaik the landship is GONE because the mold was broken.