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>Thread question
What is your favourite faction? Least favourite? Why do you love/hate them?
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I will be stopping at my LGS on my way home from work, should I buy a box of Plague Marines for more helmets and shoulder plates, or a box of Rotswords for grungy weapons, a cool icon and some neat head swaps?
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What did anon mean by this
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>TQ
Probably Necrons or Eldar
I really like the old ancient crumbling empire with lost miracles of technology from a bygone age. You would think that would translate to the Imperium as a whole but it really feels like they've downplayed and moved away from that aspect more recently.
Least favorite has to be Custodes or Knights. For gameplay reasons as much as lore ones. They just shouldn't be tabletop armies and should have been limited to small allied forces at best.
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KIND
KOLOSSAL
KUSTODES
KNOCKERS
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sisters are my favorite they're one of the few in the imperium actually matching the fanaticism of the rest of the galaxy
necrons are my least favorite, i don't like egypt.
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ha, I fell for it. Zephyrim, Celestine, Palatines, and Sancresants all have melee special rules and melee weapons, and it fooled me into actually trying to fight with them. I forgot that we're still t3 w1 models with s3/4 attacks. Silly me. Across several games everything just sweeps them aside in one round. What a bunch of wasted points lmao. Oh well, had to learn.
Back to being almost entirely shooty like the Emperor intended.
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Another veteran channel has come out talking about how stupid 40k boards look like in 10th. The tide is turning. More and more people are speaking out.
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What would 11th even look like? Things are as shrimple as they could ever be!
Plus, it will destroy the Character Advancements that were just released, and Dark Eldar still aren't really here! Oof.
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>>97634574
>sloptubers
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>>97634574
but what's the answer? the game is more competitive than ever and units/lists are more optimized. if it's not an entire battlefield of LOS blocking ruins, how could you have a 5 turn game? most armies can table each other in maybe 2 turns if there's no cover.
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>Plus, it will destroy the Character Advancements that were just released,
Remember when IG got their codex three months before a new edition dropped? Or was it like three weeks rather? The whole point is to drop a bunch of rules that fuck up balance or add strange new requirements so when they announce the new edition they get to pretend that it's to rebalance the game rather than print more money
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has it ever been more over for Eldar?
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>>97634541
My current plans for the remainder of 10th are as follows
>Finish putting together all the Guard stuff I have laying around (Mostly vehicles including my first Baneblade)
>Snag most of the IW stuff shown off this month for my CSM Collection
>Snag that new melee Knight to add to the Household.
>Build my Wraithlord custom character using the Crucible custom character rules
I finished working on a second batch of Krieg Kasrkin and got halfway through another Chimera last night, should finish the Chimera and hopefully a 4th Leman Russ this weekend. I think the Baneblade will be my big project for March.
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BIG
BOUNCY
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the answer is to ditch these dogshit rules for 3 editions now
the game is too killy so they had to rework the cover system several times now to the point you NEED LoS blocking or whoever gets turn 1 automatically wins
old cover saves and old ap solve this issue
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>TQ
I love Space Marines. They just look cool, I love the differences between chapter cultures, I love the wide variety of paint schemes and their armor just looks cool
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What loadouts for Canonesses are considered good and what's considered absolute dog shit? Im trying to plan out the look for my Minor Order Canoness. I'm not trying to go waac, I just want to weigh out my options.
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>TQ
Blood Angels just because they were my first army, I love red, Death Company and Sanguinary Guard (used to) look cool. Also, them having to take up "arts and crafts" as a hobby to reign in the Red Thirst and Black Rage is funny to me.
My least favorite is Grey Knights, I just find them boring.
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I just figured the new fluff was a bit of a downer so I tried being positive about them. Sorry.
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As TS had writeups about its cults, DG about its plague companies and WE about some its exemplary warbands, why didn't the EC codex have a few paragraphs dedicated to a handful of its splinter factions?
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So where can I find free versions of those "totally not warhammer 40k models" that get plastered all over cults3d for stupidly high prices?
Like I can't be the only person that thinks that's retarded, taking a 40k model and slightly altering it and charging for the file
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>TQ
Orks. Is best
Tau. Cowardly
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>>97634541
Basically, I’m just waiting to see if 11th will give out an actually fun world eaters army rule now AOS army rules are bordering on fun again
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>>97634753
Spotted the perfidious Tau player.
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What would be a good detachment for an IG regiment with lots of indirect fire weapons? In 9E I played a castle of Basilisks & Mortars covered by infantry...plus an outflanking force to surround the enemy when they took the bait.
I don't think Siege Barrage is the one, that actually feels like an assault detachment granting cover in the open, firing into melee, attacking after death, etc.
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>What would 11th even look like? Things are as shrimple as they could ever be!
I have already talked about this, but mainly I can see two possible ways for GW to go.
1) New Coke
11th slowly reintroduce stuff that GW has removed from 40k, making a big deal about it and ignoring the fact that it was them who removed it in the first place. Expect multiple articles about how cool and thematic this absurd new concept called a Force Organization Chart is. Or how incredible is the fact that equipment is now going to have points.
2) Even more shrimplification
GW decides to go even beyond in terms of making 40k a boardgame and the super entry point for the hobby, and they basically turn 40k into Combat Patrol.
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>>97634501
TQ
Most
>Lore wise
PDF/Guard
>Model Wise
Chaos Knights
>Vibes
Inquisition
Least
>Lore
Primaris
>Models
Primaris
>Vibes
Tau
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>>97634753
>waaagh amirite? XD
Nah M8 im just eatin'
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>>97634501
>favourite
Necrons, they're one of the coolest alien threats alongside tyranids.
>Least favourite
Space marines. The only time you'll remember a specific chapter exists is when GW forces it or gives them a half-dozen exclusive models.
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>>97634501
Never EVER speak to me or my gay grey son ever again.
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>>97634501
>tq
Vostroyans are literaly the coolest and most aesthetic faction in the game
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>>97634908
>every model gets scaled up
>marines no longer look as huge
>marinebabbies seethe their super warriors aren’t as super any more
>GW releases Ultimus Marines the size of terminators
This is the inevitable future.
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>>97634947
He's dead that's why I don't want him coming back
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>>97634574
I don't get complaints like this, don't we all play on whatever board we want with w/e terrain we want??
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khan returns to the narrative only to be killed unceremoniously to set up some random alien character
bring back lorgar so chaos can have a leading character who can actually love chaos and demons for once
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>>97634927
>Ultimus Marines have even less detail and a squad is just 3 marines fully assembled and all in the exact same pose
>Not a single purity seal or reliquary
>"Upgrade" kits to make them a different chapter are just a $49.99 transfer sheet with 3 chapter specific transfers
>Later chapter specific Space Marine boxes will just be the same models but GW painted them a different colour on the box art
>Still forums will have thousands of slop addicts who will defend and hype the new release
>"Yeah it sucks we are losing more means of customization but the sculpt and pose is so cool!"
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>>97634976
stop larping as the slopper, faggot
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>not even a crumb of a release in 500 worlds
Please bros
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>>97634629
Corsairs are a meme branch of the army. If we had aspect warriors getting "scythed down" by marines it'd be different. Or, you know, if a group comprised of the most impressive combatants the Eldar race has somehow got defeated by a single greater daemon...
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Plastic 40k fire drakes when?
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>>97634501
>What is your favourite faction?
Imperial Guard, been playing them since the Black Codex.
>Why do you love them?
Mainly due to being a veteran and historical wargamer.
>Least favourite?
Whatever is currently out of balance. Id est the waac/tournament bandwagon faction. Also a bit of Space Marines.
>Why do you hate them?
Waac/tournament = scum of the earth.
Space Marines = they have way too much fellation in the the marketing ads (lore) which makes their fan base annoying.
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>>97634993
its meant to be a funny post satirizing the sensitivity of marine players when they aren’t the biggest, most special boys, and GW for constantly bending the knee to marine players.
>but that’s a made up scenario
doesn’t have to actually happen for it to be satire, same way idiocracy is a satire despite the fact farmers don’t actually water their plants with gatorade.
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Finished building the new Vyper. Quite enjoyed it.
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>sex
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>it's the jacket!
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>>97634920
Luv em
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>>97635224
borderline impossible, ork spores still take a relatively long time to grow into orkoids, and there needs to be a massive amount of spores together, or else they’ll stay as a simple fungus or outright wither and die, this means that even a simple routine cleaning will stop any infestation assuming there’s a risk of one happening in the first place. The only faction stupid enough to not have someone regularly cleaning decks would be CSM who are stated to have ships with sections that no one has entered in decades.
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>>97634969
the rules are something both players can fallback on and feel like there is some semblance of fairness (even if that isn't the case). unlike arguing with your tau friend who would want to play on a board with open plains
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>TQ
>favourite
Orks, I enjoy the crudeness and scrapyard look
>least favourite
Space Marines, just boring, babbys first army that some never learned to branch out from and the characterisation of chucking an entire pantry into a blender.
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Is there any real evidence that the Emperor viewed actual people as nothing but tools? Putting aside the obvious part about people seeing the Emperor the way they want to peeceive him, theres one detail most forget. Basically all the times he's shown treating those under him as disposable tools its with Primarchs and Space Marines specifically, but that makes sense because the Primarchs and Space Marines literally aren't "people." There are in fact canon individuals who are shown to hold normal human life in regard while completely disregarding any value inherent in Space Marines beyond their use as weapons. Is this just a case of Marinefags forgetting how monstrous and inhuman the Primarchs and Space Marines are supposed to be at an inherent level?
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>>97635374
The Emperor achieved CHIM and recognized that he and the other chaos gods were all just making homebrew armies and everyone around him was a 25mm scale model to him. That's why he's so fucking huge. He never expected the chaos gods to actually read his own homebrew and start using it themselves though and he couldn't keep twenty armies painted and up to date at the same time.
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by the time you get a few editions down the line you're selling intercessors and the datasheets lists every option that was in the assault intercessor kit, the various upgrade kits, three store aniversary models, and something a white dwarf article made up that never had a model.
The loadout people will end up running will be jump packs with grenade launcher bolt rifles or something like that too
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is the only difference between a seeker chariot and tormentbringer one's a normal unit the other a leader?
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>>97635069
What are you talking about?
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>>97635486
Anon you missed all the fun
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>>97635494
Shouldn't eldar have better reaction speeds than marines?
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>>97635494
Don't care, didn't read + the literary work of one Michael 'overweight middle aged lesbian' Brooks
Elf space pirates activate neurons.
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>>97635521
Sadly I cannot tell if this is some kind of sarcasm but if not I appreciate it fren.
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Sure bud
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>>97635511
>falling for the meme
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>>97635593
I have nothing to do with the discussion other than being in full agreement with the assessment of the boards lack of understanding for Marines power scale. 5-10 Marines is an absolutely devastating force akin to an Exterminatus order in terms or raw power.
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>>97635532
>Sorry, the initiative stat no longer exists. Marines have just as much access to fights first as every other faction now.
Nta, I stopped playing around 7th I think. Past couple of weeks I've been looking into things to maybe get back in to justify owning all this shit I collected over the decades. What I'm seeing so far is the game now is just a boad game with fuck off expensive tokens and ccg elements. Welp here's looking to what 11th brings.
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>>97635626
11th is not going to be that different from 10th. Compare 4th to 5th or 5th to 6th at worst. If you think 10th is a boardgame you will think that 11th is a boardgame. You should look for older editions or HH.
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Finnished painting an ogryn body guard proxy unfortunatly I didn't manage to do it in time for the collage, the decals ended up being too shiny does anyone know how to fix them?
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>>97635281
>Incredible that not too long ago we lived in a time where kits came with all the options
This was never a thing.
For example devastators only contain 2 heavy bolters, 2 plasma cannons, etc.
If you wanted one 5 man squad with outfitted with plasma cannons for example (most people ran mono weapon squads even back then), then they'd still have to buy 3 whole kits to make that whole squad.
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>Every faction in 40k is British
How do we fix this?
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>>97635632
Any you've got no models so your opinion is irrelevant
>>97635645
Problems with the leaderships command structure led to those failures, the Marines did their jobs exceedingly well considering the Tau's severe loses.
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>>97635730
>got his posts deleted on 2 seperate occasions yesterday
>shortest ban is 24h which didn't pass yet
Yes, you're ban evading. Don't even try to bullshit your way with tee hee I just got a warning :^P, nobodys buying that
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>>97635732
It isn't. It's an ideal to strive for. If you proxy all of your dudes according to the current meta, you a busta and a bitch. Thisbis a Stillman neighborhood, keep walking, punk.
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making pretty good progress on assembling models today lads...just finished up a 5 man infiltration squad while my fiance did morvan val and grayfax ! next up is a 10 man squad of sternguards !
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Do you think doing Orks instead of Drukhari for the 11th edition launch was the right call?
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>>97635769
>transport your models in a cardboard box with no foam or protection
Reminds me of a local guy I haven't seen in a few years. He had around $8k worth of Forge World shit he carried around piled up in a plastic tote box. Broken parts and spaghetti barrels galore.
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>>97635823
The only enemy factions that make sense in a starter are ones with at least one horde unit to ramp up the number of models in the box because a wargame cannot present itself with a total of 20 models and marines will always be elite
so eldar are amongst the few that definitely cannot be added as a starter faction unless they get some new unit of disposable slave hordes to throw at the enemy
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>>97635900
Not that anon, but lets be real here, an edition starter box would never be allowed to look like this today.
Unlike that guy I don't even think Dark Eldar would be off the table for a starter box enemy faction, but whatever that would look like, it's gonna be absolutely nothing like this
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Maybe? Orks are definitely the more popular army but they only need like 6 more units updated unless they want to get into all the old forgeworld vehicles.
Dark Eldar are missing like twenty units at this point that don't even have models and a few of the ones they do have are old and busted now.
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>>97635694
Oh, is the collage window already closed? It's still February for a little while, and I was waiting for an anchor post for this.
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Someone who's opinion I usually trust recommended this thing to me.
The prose is so fucking god awful I'm considering giving up 5 pages in.
Only other Black Library I've read is the first few Horus Heresy books, Horus Rising-Flight of the Eisenstein, which I liked well enough.
Is everything past that this bad?
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>>97635919
Wracks are actually their most elite battleline troop right now at 13 points per model (Kabalites are 11.5 and wyches are 9). Which is weird but that's the way they chose to balance them. It feels like it should be in reverse order.
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>>97635900
That box is older than most people here, and every starter box since has had a horde unit to fill the box out.
>4th edition had gaunts
>5th edition had boyz
>6th and 7th edition had cultists
>8th edition had poxwalkers
>9th edition had necrons
>10th edition has gaunts (again)
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>>97635957
lol, good thing dark eldar have never had a cheap horde unit.
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They would add more stuff and more characters but the core could absolutely be the same. In the end it had 10 marines and a vehicle Vs 20 Eldar. You add around 10 models of elite units per side, one vehicle for the DE, the usual 4-5 characters and there you are.
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With the exception of Tyranids in 9th all the horde units that filled the box were 20 models strong, no different from the kabalites in 3rd edition
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>>97634738
That isn
t the name of the leader of the Skull Takers nor were they original world eaters, they're a successor chapter that fell to khorne and joined the WEs in the butcher's nails bullshittery... GW can't even keep their lore straight
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>>97635993
if only we had GW made a fantasy game that we could raid for models
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>>97635938
I though it was already over becose I didn't the anchor post in the last threads but you are rigth there is still some time left
Also cool model anon
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Yeah she is taller, but i think she fits with my escher guard
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>>97636003
>I suggest trying some Chris Wraight or ADB.
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>>97635988
>but the core could absolutely be the same.
no, it can't, gw aims to have chaff to fill the box and make it at least look like there's many models in the box
elite models don't make a wargame look like a wargame, multiple models do
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>>97635957
Antagonist side, starter boxes
>3rd edition - 20 models
>4th edition - 24 models
>5th edition - 25 models, 3 bikes, 1 character
>6th edition - 26 models, 1 vehicle, 2 characters
>8th edition - 27 models, 1 vehicle, 3 characters
>9th edition - 32 models, 1 vehicle, 4 characters
>10th edition - 43 models, 3 monsters, 1 character
Leviathan was a massive outlier, so if they go back to before you can easily have a DE starter that is
>10 wyches
>10 kabalites
>5 trueborn/blood rides
>5 beasts + Beastmaster
>1 huge model, can be either a fiend or a new pain engine
>Court of the Archon
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Grrrrrrr
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I prefer the Predator, the rhino looks extremely dated to me
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>>97636132
It doesn’t have all the cool looking guns you stupid mutt
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You don’t have any models
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>>97636116
You need to go back
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>>97636132
But they don’t have all the cool weapons you stupid mutt
>>97636139
Shut the fuck up already
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>>97636113
>implying you proved anything
>implying I'm the anon you were talking with
>not implying you have a clue that gw makes starter sides to be inconvenient
>and not realising that a little bit of everything the dark eldar have is a far too convenient deal
Genuinely, are you underage?
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... Are you really this ignorant? Anon a Wych is absolutely comparable to a hormagaunt or a Ork boy. And a Kabalite is absolutely comparable to a termagant.
Have you really never looked at the profile of either?
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>>97636151
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>seething so hard at being outed as a blind retard he has to post it twice
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>>97636173
>Anon a Wych is absolutely comparable to a hormagaunt or a Ork boy. And a Kabalite is absolutely comparable to a termagant.
Neither are comparable, visually or fluffwise.
Rules are irrelevant for starters, they're never balanced and never intended to be balanced.
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>>97634501
>TQ
The Imperial Guard. Normal dudes facing off the horrors of the Galaxy.
Least is Tau, feels like they wereadded to open up the asian market, but their tone is too off to be taken seriously.
Also the old art stumps the new one, especially all that fan made tit comics.
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>>97636168
You can swap literally everything I put in the supposed Dark Eldar starter with any equivalent you want if your problem is my selection of units needing refreshs. I just randomly selected units lacking models but there are a bunch of others.
Point is, you can literally take any antagonist side from any starter except for Leviathan and you can make a perfect equivalent from the Dark Elder army units that already exist, let alone if GW starts creating new things.
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So basically your argument is that you don't feel like they should be comparable despite the fact that they are under every metric? A lone regular whych is not better than a Ork Boy or an hormagaunt in the fluff dude.
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>>97636203
ok here u go next cope pls
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>>97636227
what you like the fanart where everything's a big titted dommy mommy? Get a life.
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>>97636244
Tau have been rumoured to get new Crisis suits with melee weapons for two decades at this point. They just got a release in the end of edition campaign, which means that any other possible release is at best at the end of 2026.
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>>97636233
I'm priming it white because yellow. Guess I don't gotta worry about Tamiya taking away 2 of the Eldar abs if it's gun completely blocks it.
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>>97636228
Just wedge the paint brush in and get whatever you need painted, then take the brush out. It should look right even on close inspection because the shadows will make it difficult to see how clumsy the paint was applied.
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>>97636281
>mfw tricked by a tzeentchposter
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>>97636303
Wtf I selected a picture where is it?!? This site has been a glitch fest today.
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>>97636222
>selection of units needing refreshs
that's the problem
haven't you noticed how neither the necron starter or the tyranid starter really used the spot to update as many models as possible but rather fill the box with new shit? Except from the one chaff unit?
The rumoured ork box too is only going to have boys and gretchen as chaff, not stormboys, not lootas, not nobs, not meganobs, nor killa kans or grot tanks or whatever else an ork fanboy would actually wish for
A dark eldar starter would have 20 or so lowlife slave shitters, then a bunch of new and/or redundant stuff, not your dreamy box of everything a dark eldar player would actually want in one go, that's not the point of starters.
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Ok? Great way of completely missing the point. I guess you were never the best at reading comprehension.
>A dark eldar starter would have 20 or so lowlife slave shitters, then a bunch of new and/or redundant stuff, not your dreamy box of everything a dark eldar player would actually want in one go, that's not the point of starters.
Anon you realise that you are agreeing with me by saying this right?
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>>97636316
Yes, these are the rumoured ork units
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>>97636350
>Drukhari has literally nothing left
>LET'S GIVE ORKS NEW SHIT
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>>97636359
Because my lists were explicitly made with models that already exists. And 20 wyches or 20 kabalite warriors are already more than enough to fill out the model count. The whole point was to show that it was already possible to do an equivalent with models that we already have. Of course if you also make new ones it becomes even easier.
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>>97636370
>literally nothing left
the are only missing 3 units: grotesques, court of the archon, and beastmaster+beasts.
They're not in a need of a starter treatment.
They're one kill team and a small release wave away from being a completed range with no need of any further work.
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>>97636431
This fucking place has some sort of unnatural concentration of fucking elfdarifags where you can make statements like
>Phoenix Lords are more popular than Primarchs
>Dark Eldar would outsell SM if only given the proper support
>lone eldar should be able to take on entire squads of chaos marines
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>>97636486
>You mean the ones with excuses?
The fact that new rumoured Ork starter need new grots to have a number of models superior to fucking Death Guard should tell you that Orks are not considered by GW the horde and chaff army that they were in 4th edition anon. Friendly reminder that Boyz are capped at 20 models.
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>>97636490
I haven't run yet since I haven't assembled/painted enough units to run a 1000 point game (I think I'll just build up to 2k since a 1k list with knights and a T12 gunboat seems unfair.
The (legends) Kratos stat sheet seems pretty good though or at least well worth the cost at 240pts.
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>>97636518
the death guard starter has only 7 plague marines outside of heroes, then 20 zombies
the ork starter is going to have a minimum of 20 goblins AND 20 orks as well
they are undeniably horde and chaff, you retard
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>>97636524
He's been coping about that for the entire thread. His current argument is that 3rd edition starter having 20 Kabalites is completely different from 5th edition starter having 20 Ork Boyz, 6th edition having 20 cultists, 8th edition having 20 poxwalkers and 9th edition having 20 Necron Warriors.
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>>97636583
I saw someone pay £300/$400 for this.
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>>97636551
Lets assume there are going to be only 10 goblins.
How do you even wrap your head around your comparison with the death guard box? Are you going to pretend that ork boys are not a horde unit despite covering the role of poxwalkers in the death guard box, which is to bulk up the number of models in the box?
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>>97636615
So the wings can be folded to go in the back on the unposed cad asset without obstructing the main arms
they tried this design with the idea of making shrikes eventually, and are also taking on the wing placement of the older gargoyles
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>>97636551
10 gretchin seems low for what they are. I think the aos lanky orc box had 10 regular orcs, 20 of the weird semi goblins and then another 3 special big crossbow orcs (+ characters)
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>>97636595
>£300/$400 for this.
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>>97636609
They are as horde as Kabalites or Witches can be, or as Necron Warriors were. The DE army as a whole might not be able to play as horde, but the units are pretty much the same weight class. You can see it by the fact that they cost pretty much the same in terms of points, that they have always been in pretty much the same numbers in big boxes dating back to old ass Battleforces or Start Collectings or old Starters.
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>>97636637
I'm not joking by the way
https://www.autarkis.co.uk/paintingportfolio
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>>97636603
the 3rd edition starter wasn't 10 marines vs 20 eldar, it was 10 marines and a land speeder vs 10 eldar and 10 more eldar bevande they had no other plastic shit to throw into the box, not because eldar are a horde army
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>I think the aos lanky orc box had 10 regular orcs, 20 of the weird semi goblins and then another 3 special big crossbow orcs (+ characters)
Correct, but it had 10 basic Orcs instead of 20 Orks. Skaventide was similar to Leviathan in the fact that it was a huge outlier compares to previous starters in terms of size.
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>>97636629
The new tyranid prime is also another prototype, by the way, this one was made exclusively to test how much they can confidently pose the warrior body they have landed on
I expect a release wave of warriors within 3 years
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>>97636645
Then by your account they should have reduced that once other plastic DE came out right? Then let's see how were the 5th edition battleforces
DE Battleforce
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>>97636624
This cunt just will not stick
>bit needs to be bent to fit into position
>use stomach to hold it as not to stab fingers with all the blades
>hold it there for 5 minutes so the glue dries
>breaks immediately when trying to fit the seekers on it
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>>97636672
And let's see the equivalent in terms of orks
Uhmm
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Would any of you know what this is? I bought some miniatures off of eBay and this was in the box. My best guess is it's from some edition of Space Hulk because of the Blood Angles emblem and it looks like some relic?
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>>97636642
>Decalfag was here
https://www.autarkis.co.uk/paintingportfolio/vulpiswarden
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Are there any factions in the Imperium still trying to kill the returning Primarchs? It makes sense to try and kill them, they are too inhuman and too uncontrollable. Ideally for the Imperium they would have all died in the Heresy but at least before the 13th Black Crusade they were still nothing more than easily ignorable myths and legends from 10k years ago.
Its what makes Sanguinius the perfect Primarch really. He is still useful as a symbol and legend which is great but he is also dead and never coming back, which is even more perfect for a Primarch.
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>>97636672
That's not what my account was saying at all.
Your battleforce there isn't having any horde unit, it's just treating similarly sized infantry units with a similar amount of bits as similarly priced products, it's not an indication of equal value in points or fluff or battlefield role beyond that.
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What do they do when they're back on the craftworld?
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>>97636707
there isn't enough imperial infighting, to be honest.
we didn't need the cicatrix maledictum. all we needed was a few highlords of terra splitting the imperium in two because of guilliman's primaris power play threatening the stagnant order
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>What is your favourite faction? Least favourite? Why do you love/hate them?
Right now my favorite is black templars. Used to be grey knights. My least favorite is probably votann. I kind of wish they were some kind of aliens instead of just dwarves.
Anyways, here's my build/paint progress for February. What models are anons working on?
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>>97636709
Even if Skaventide/Leviathan wasn't an outlier I would see much more probable for GW to add some bigger things compared to 20 fucking Gretchin. The reason for why they were an outlier is more probably because of sprue size. Neurogaunts and Termagants are tiny, just like clanrats.
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>>97636604
Quit responding to your own pathetic bait you slumdog
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>>97636763
BITCH I wasn't finished talking, your ass doing posting?!
Anyway.
They've been hinting at another Martian Schism for like 10+ fucking years at this point. I wish they'd get on with it. Mechancius Civil War 2 is something the Imperium couldn't afford to ignore and it'd basically drag every part of the EMPEROR'S GLORIOUS AND EVERLASTING REALM into it.
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>https://www.autarkis.co.uk/paintingportfolio/vulpiswarden
I don't think they're the same tbhon
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Anyone that is expecting a Leviathan number of models in the next Edition box is deluding themselves. They're going to have a lot fewer models, but they're going to include cardboard terrain as a new "Everything you need to play is in the box" kind of gimmick. They are copying spearhead hardcore on this one.
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>>97636850
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>>97636736
Based Templars enjoyer, those look sick. I'm working on finishing up my 10-man Sword Brethren deathstar squad - 4 of the classic metal guys, 5 of the new plastics. The missing metal swordbro is en route from eBay
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>90% of numerology is doomsday schizoing
i'm sure a gsc homebrew will be easy now, but that was kind of disappointing
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>>97636887
I wonder if making the table bigger would fix that. Something about ranged needs to be tweaked. Oh well. Maybe they'll bring back city fighting or whatever it was called. It would fucking kill the dogshit that is killteam though.
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>>97636968
sure, whatever dude
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>>97636931
its a disposable infernus marine from the getting started set, you only get one of them, so you can’t use them on the tabletop, and those things are fucking everywhere anyway, so you aren’t missing out by doing dumb shit with them.
above all else, its a good way of flexing your painting skills, and its really funny.
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>>97634501
Hello everyone.
It's once again time for the collage anchor posts.
This month's theme was big gunz and was left to your own interpretation.
Here is the link to the next vote
https://strawpoll.com/ajnE1d2JNnW
Sorry I haven't been able to post the last few threads. To make up for it I'll extend the deadline by one day.
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>>97637008
>Painting should make you happy.
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>>97634139
>lords of Excess
>literally nothing excessive about them whatsoever
Gee I wonder why this failed. GW wanted to squatt Slannesh because it's not PG-13, then when they realized that was retarded they tried to sanitize Slannesh for that rating and what you get is the absolutely soulless pink guys who do drugs (off screen of course we can't actually depict that on the model at all), torture people (off screen of course can't actually depict that on the model at all), and actually act LESS smug than your average chaos sorcerer. The legion of beauty and perfection is actually just a legion of coneheads and burn victims wow so surprising no one want for the "we like art and killing people" faction that was made entirely of ugly deformed people who acted like every generic marine.
Khorne marines actually LOOK like beserkers, and are modelled as such (yelling, covered in blood)
Nurgle Marines actually have tons of lovely detail with the bugs and mutations and worms all over them
Tzeentch marines are covered in infernal fire and have the egyptian sorcerer aesthetic.
EC just look like a first pass AI "rearrange the marine gear to look different"
There is just this dissonance in EC that doesn't fit who they are at all and there is zero storytelling with their models.
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>>97637041
>painting miniatures
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>>97637018
he likes custodes, and /40kg/ hate custodes.
he was a capeshit actor, and 4chan users hate capeshit.
he’s probably a fake fan or at least a secondary, and /40kg/ hates fake fans and secondaries.
he’s a “chad” entering their hobby, and /40kg/ hates chads
he’s bound to increase 40Ks already huge popularity which will lead to more normalfags entering 40K, and /40kg/ hates normalfags.
to top it all offredditors like him
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>>97637061
>pink guys who do drugs (off screen of course we can't actually depict that on the model at all)
The models do depict those things. There are syringes and stimm-injector backpacks and stuff. The only way that they could show it more directly is if they had a model of a marine shooting up.
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he was unironically worshipped by chud 40ks fans for so long it horsehoed and became hipster for them to hate him now.
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>>97637061
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I love love love how extreme this place is getting that they're calling people who actually own models secondaries. And I've seen it happen here and there, putting aside Cavil. I think in a few years 40kg will be calling anyone who doesn't own any Eldar models secondaries.
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>>97637041
Really depends on the type of model and how i'm painting.
If i'm batch painting to get a squad on the field it can definitely feel like a chore, but if it's a model that i'm doing for a project it can be fun.
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>>97637145
>does he own models
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>I think in a few years 40kg will be calling anyone who doesn't own any Eldar models secondaries
Rent Free.
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>says /40kg/ hates Cavill for being "le chad" that makes chuds seethes
>majority of the people that glaze Cavill online are chuds and plebbitors
>Cavill himself is treated like a chud by directors and other celebs for wanting lore accurate adaptations
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>>97636595
I should have at least $1000 by that standard, yeah?
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Capeshit fans are clinically retarded.
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>>97637225
Sincre, a bunch of boomer dads got "the snydercut" released by bitching online and botting. They brag about it.
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>>97637223
I've only ever seen the snyderfag accusation here in the last 2 days. Snyder is a lolcow, cavill just seems a well meaning secondary in the body of a giga chad. He doesnt act anywhere near as retarded as snyder does. The worship of cavill is incredibly cringe and always reeked to me of unfuckables wanting to claim a jock as one of their own.
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>scared an eldarfag is going to call him a secondary
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>500 Worlds was about how a technologically advance faction gets beaten by the indomitable plot-armoured spirit of Space Marines with daddy issues
>The Maelstrom is about how a technologically advance faction gets beaten by the indomitable plot-armoured spirit of Space Marines with daddy issues
>Eye of Terror will be about how a technologically advance faction gets beaten by the indomitable plot-armoured spirit of Space Marines with daddy issues
At least Guard will beat the World Eaters at Armageddon, I guess.
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>>97637259
I've never actually seen his models but I always assumed he got commission painted or they suck ass. I saw a clip where he said he hasn't played in years and years (which is fine desu a lot of people just paint and enjoy the lore)
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>I don't get this man
That's the point.
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>>97637041
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>Cavill has painted models
At best only 1 for what we've seen, and even then we only saw a half finished helmet.
>and reads codexes
This is purely "he said, she said" argument.
Not even difficult to fake, just read some of the wikis, where most info is actual copypastes from the books.
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>500 Worlds was about how a technologically advance faction gets beaten by the indomitable plot-armoured spirit
Being technologically advanced doesn't mean much.
US went into the sandbox for 30+ years and got beaten by bunch of goat fuckers with stolen WW2/cold war surpluss.
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>Start assembly of my Combat Patrol of Aeldari and do a Dire Avenger
>Haven't done this in awhile and ruined two of his abs with my Tamiya Extra Thin Cement
>Doesn't matter as his whole torso is taken over by his gun
>I already primed it
>Find a weird ass line from his helmet all the way to his face and chin
>Cut off part of the arm which I thought was a nub was actually a triangle
>Don't wanna take my exacto knife to scrape it off in case I take off the primer or some of the plastic of the model
>Praying me painting will make the line disappear
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>Does painting miniatures make you happy?
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>Gav Thorpe completely killed all Eldar stories and destroyed the Ynnari that GW are slowly trying to retcon it
>Now Mike Brooks is taking over writing for Aeldari
>First thing he did was make the bug helmeted Farseer be nonbinary (Idk if it was him though or another writer of the Prince Yriel story)
>Made a book about Lelith and she's now a confirmed lesbian with a harem of women with one or a few being trannies
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>What is your favourite faction?
Dark Eldar
>Least favourite?
Grey Knights
>Why do you love/hate them?
Love me Dark Eldar cause I started with them in 5th, and covens in particular. The dark technomancer aspect always got me even when I grew out of my edgy phase.
Grey Knights I have harboured a grudge against since their introduction just because they stomped me repeatedly and had some crazy psychic bullshit I had no way to interact with early on and also because no matter how much the Dark Eldar get neglected these days someone will always point to Grey Knights and say they have it worse.
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I don't know why anyone is upset about Dark Eldar being pansexual hedonists with extreme body modifications and fluid definitions of gender and even personhood. If anything hate the Lelith book because it's just kind of dull and lazy compared to any of the old Path of the DE Trilogy
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honestly? you should exacto knife it. mold lines on the head are going to stick out pretty bad regardless. i just don't want you to mr.magoo yourself into a car loan or something while trying to get your models ready.
paint on primer is a thing you might want to invest in if you haven't already. it can help you touch up any places you might have missed anyway.
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>>97637457
What, you don't like the baby carrier deluxe now with auxiliary diaper and optional rattle? I'm so glad they decided to keep this gay ass glowie squadron in their own codex while cutting the Deathwatch back to an Agents add-on.
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>>97637460
its fun to bully someone for those things and you don't think about it much beyond that. Mike's books make those things canon, bringing those things front and center in the world and makes them something to be celebrated.
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Dark eldar/eldar are very hard to write, they are just so alien even compared to orks and tau. How does someone with human intelligence represent the way of thinking for a super genius being that requires constant experiences to feel even a bit sated. I do think they are very interesting just not easy to write and make the story engrossing.
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>mfw I will never do cyberpunk themed dark eldar
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Eldar being gay sexpest is pretty on brand for the species that murder raped a chaos god into existence, my problem with Mike is that his Eldar books are boring shit that read like fanfic. He managed to make Lelith lame and he can't write women to save his life.
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I will say my favorite short stories to write are dealing with haemonculi. The long term planning, the experimentation, the twisted schemes that warp everything they come into contact with. Having the haemonculi's wracks/acothyst "help" the local defenders while he carries out his experiments only to leave those behind twisted shadows of their former selves after getting brought back multiple times by the acothyst.
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Thoughts on this Ventris kitbash? I was bummed they don’t sell the actual model anymore.
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>>97637460
>accept the hecking pansexual genderfluids
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>>97637526
They're literally a dystopian cyberpunk city state of corporate overlords with private militaries and competing industries supplying a captive populace with merchandise and entertainment they struggle to afford while trying to outrun their (soul) debts, all while hiring out mercenaries for proxy wars and to exploit resources and take slaves from other countries to feed their endless materialistic and hedonistic hunger.
Textbook cyberpunk. Straight down to the crazy bodymods and experimental tech and high speed vehicles and elites in high towers looming over the city.
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>i think she fits
What is it that makes coomtards so delulu? She's huge, way bigger than an ogryn to a point it doesn't look like she belongs in the same universe. Just looks like a human model at a different scale, and what's the lore behind 12+ foot tall abhumans that tower over primarchs anyway?
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Doing some math
>Yriel with Voidreavers + Alacritous Assault
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Both get Advance + Charge, Banshees have 1" more.
Voidreavers get 7" Scout, Banshees get Fights first
Banshees get a 5++, up to 4++ in melee. Corsairs get no +1 except the leader, who gets a base 4++.
Jain Zar swings 8 times, each Banshee swings 2 times, the Exarch swings 2-6 times. Yriel swings 5 times, each Voidscarred swings 2 times.
Both squads hit on 2+. Voidreavers get to reroll 1s as a base ability. Banshees can choose to reroll 1s to hit or wound, only in Aspect Host.
Banshees are S4, with Anti-Infantry 3+, and the Exarch can go up to S6, and Jain Zar is S6. Yriel swings at S7, and Voidreavers are S4, but the squad has Lance.
All melee weapons have AP-2 or better except the Exarch's Triskele at AP-1. Jain Zar, Yriel, and an Executioner Exarch have AP-3.
The maximum damage the Banshee squad can output is 16+(4/6/8/9)+16, for 36-41 damage.
The maximum damage output for the Corsairs is 10+15 for 25. Taking Sustained Hits into accout doubles this to, in an absoluely ludicrous situation, 50 damage. With the No Prey Too Big strat, Voidreavers deal double damage and Yriel gets a potential +5 damage.
Jain Zar gives the squad auto-6 on Advance, while Yriel gives the squad Sustained Hits. Jain Zar herself can reroll Wound rolls against Character targets, while Yriel allows redeployment of three units.
So as it stands
>Banshees wound any Infantry target on 3+, while Executioner Exarchs and Jain Zar will sometimes wound on 2+.
>Voidreavers wound ALL targets on 5+ on Charge. They wound most Infantry on 4+, and Marines on 3+. Yriel wounds EVERYTHING on 4+ at worst, and will wound most Infantry targets including Marines and Terminators on 2+.
>Banshees are 215p, Voidreavers are 180p
While not immediately better in combat, I honestly think the Voidreavere are a better option.
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>>97637593
>tfw inquisitor gf
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>>97637399
Why would marines show mercy? Kill xenos on sight. Fuck, kill xenos BEYOND line of sight!
What would marines care for what a xenos might want to say? Remember the codex:
>"For our enemies will bring us to battle on the caprice of chance. The alien and the renegade are the vagaries of the galaxy incarnate. What can we truly know or would want to of their ways or motivations? They are to us as the rabid wolf at the closed door that knows not even its own mind. BE THAT DOOR. Be the simplicity of the steadfast and unchanging: the barrier between what is known and the unknowable. Let the Imperium of Man realise its manifold destiny within while without its mindless foes dash themselves against the constancy of our adamantium. In such uniformity of practice and purpose lies the perpetuity of mankind.”
>—The Coda of Balthus Dardanus, 17th Lord of Macragge, entitled Staunch Supremacies
They forget their own fluff frfr. My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred. In the name of the Emperor, kill them all.
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>vehicles and monsters go to hull points
>one attack can only ever do one hull point no matter its damage characteristic
>but you have to roll to confirm wounds on vehicles and monsters if the toughness meets or exceeds the strength of the weapon
how retarded is this?
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>>97637616
no one at my lgs plays cw eldar.
got a the old combat patrol for cheap, but haven't opened the box yet.
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>>97637726
Tryna do some weird shrimple compromise between HH3 AV, Necromunda toughness and hull points, and 40k zoom zoom mentality. I feel like maybe stuff that meets has to only confirm once, stuff that exceeds has to confirm twice, and double has to confirm thrice or something. I might goldfish it for kicks
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>>97637041
Seeing the result makes me happy and the steps taken to achieve it. I think right now my problem is that I'm fighting my tools; my brushes feel like shit and my paint seems to dry too fast on my wet palette
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Was Horus Heresy a good thing or a bad thing for the fandom?
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I ordered the old Ravenwing kit and it just arrived, packed with an insane number of wonderful Dark Angels bits
I'm almost tempted to build them, instead of going with my plan of just using the kit for the bits to gussy up some newer models
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>>97637773
Pre-primaris kits were so good bros. Why is GW like this
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>>97637781
If you say so.
SW are pretty good.
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>>97637792
Im WOLFING OUT bros!
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>>97637773
You can do both. Easily, even. You can make a couple bikes of cool dudes while customizing other bikes with detail and even keep some stowage for someone's transport while making a couple characters with the spare bits. The ravenwing apothecary has supplied several of my own.
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>>97637795
>it's WULFEN time
>awwoooooo
and then he wolfs all over the place
funniest shit i've ever seen
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>space wolves
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>>97637799
It's just official art, bro. Why does it matter what wolves are posted if we're talking about SW?
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>>97637791
This is a hypothetical scenario where the horus heresy was never elaborated upon beyond faint whispers and unreliable accounts told 10,000 years after the fact. For the Warhammer 40K fanbase, would this be a positive (as in they’re better off without the horus heresy) or a negative (as in they were better of with the horus heresy existing).
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>>97637799
>open up GW site
>space marines
>space wolves
>1 unhelmeted black guy in wolf guard terminators out of 5
>4 in blood claws out of 10
>1 in headtakers out of 3
>1 in grey hunters out of 10
As far as their exclusive units go they might be one of the blackest chapters among the astartes.
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>>97637821
So you’re saying female custodes are popular?
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>>97637835
>It's repulsive
Anon, do you know how inner thoughts work? That's you that you hear in your mind.
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>>97637832
It makes sense if you approach it from the subhuman DEI perspective, attack the Whitest core Chapter. As long as we collectively reject and refuse to acknowledge their changes as well as paint all our men white it should be ok.
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>>97637841
Fuck you
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>>97637843
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I cannot hang with millennial coded hair on models. It just looks like a doughy sculptor made his self insert space marine official.
Shudder to think that we will see broccoli-haired Lando Norris marines in five or so years.
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>>97637821
>irrational elf hate out of no where
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>>97637684
What nonsense. Cato Sicarius did it better
>Would your Emperor be proud of you killing a civilian, sir knight? He whose code you follow?
>YES – Sicarius barreled past the sergeant. The Tau female's ribs cracked under metal boots, and Sicarius spit acid on her corpse.
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Just did the math. Assuming that only the only black marines are the unhelmeted ones, Space Wolves are the blackest chapter as far as chapter-exclusive, non-character units are concerned. At least 22.22% of Space Wolves marines are black, making them the blackest chapter after Salamanders.
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How come 40K makes ai so fucking lame?
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>>97637849
>decalpedo has no concept of inner thought
can you visualize the apple in your mind?
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>>97637866
An elf hater, a tranny, and a rampant porn addict walk into a bar.
Bartender says: "what can I get you for, fellah"
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>>97637876
You're data is skewed by your filthy wretched mind.
>>97637882
Not only can I visualize it but I can peel it and eat it then throw it away and blast off to the center of the universe inside my own head.
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>>97637884
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>>97637430
>>First thing he did was make the bug helmeted Farseer be nonbinary (Idk if it was him though or another writer of the Prince Yriel story)
Retard
>>97637545
>Eldar books are boring shit that read like fanfic.
Both eldar factions are fanfics "asur and druchii but in space""
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Can I take these guys with admech?
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>>97637890
>You're data is skewed
Wolf guard terminators: 1 out of 5
Blood claws: 4 out of 10
Wolf guard headtakers: 1 out of 3
Grey hunters: 1 out of 10
Thunderwolf cavalry: 0 out of 3
Wolf scouts kill team: 1 out of 5
Total: 8 out of 36
If you really want you could also throw wolfen in and say that it's 8 out of 41. So in the bare minimum almost 20% of Space Wolves are black.
I repeat myself: Space Wolves are the blackest chapter after Salamanders.
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>>97637920
Okay just shut the fuck up and stick to Warhammer 40k topics. Your little personal vendetta is extremely toxic and annoying to the board.
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>>97637931
First of all you could have corrected the type I made, second you're using only the newest models available instead of the total amount of releases which shows you're trying to niggerfy the Wolves on purpose to support your faggot agenda.
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>decalmutant gets high and searches for black space wolves on the internet
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>>97637956
shut the fuck up you stupid idiot, you don't even own any models. Wolves have been the cannon White faction for decades and now because DEI British intelligence faggotry is infesting the setting you think it changes things? Bet money we see 0 Nig Wolves in the Cavill show.
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>>97634796
I pick Clonegrim for model/rules and pick Omegon to never get added.
I am very fond of Clonegrim. I think him returning to the Imperium and commanding his own legion in an effort to make up for his past sins would be really interesting.
Omegon doesn't really make sense to show up on the tabletop for any reason, so he's an easy pick.
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>>97637968
>you don't even own any models
Not only do I own models, I own Space Wolves models.
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>>97637977
Yep i figured, you have a weird fetish for humiliating SW models and you've let that seep into your social discourse here. Actually pathetic you've allowed personal feelings to affect your decisions here.
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>Actually pathetic you've allowed personal feelings to affect your decisions here.
>this being said be the mutant of all people
Also paint your hellblasters, you disciple of Nurgle.
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>>97637914
>Both eldar factions are fanfics "asur and druchii but in space""
They wish. The WHFB Elves are millions of times more competent than Eldar.
>Elves
>provided key roles protecting the world many times
>helped the Empire found colleges of magic
>so competent that surviving WHFB Elves captured Slaanesh as AoS BACKSTORY
>Eldar
>created Slaanesh and the eye of terror
>nothing for the Imperium or aiding galaxy-defending races besides satisfying Guilliman's penis
>ynnari is a failure
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Whoa faggots who feast on the misery of others!
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>>97637008
'Erez me orkz for the big gunz theme
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Whachoo sey imp?
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Samefagging pathetic scum, people see through these pathetic lies.
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>>97638093
Methinks the decalhomo doth protest too much. He’s probably an obese brown creatura who like to project a fantasy version of himself on the scandinavian warrior marines, and is now mindbroken by the mathematical fact that SW are extremely black.
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>>97638181
Detachment? No, I don't think so. There's "Bastion Task Force" where battleline act like kind of like tau "spotting". Saw a couple people on yt try "Firestorm" and have a boatload of heavy intercessors at close range for some sort of strength break point.
Depending on how competitive your meta is, you might end up just having a couple units but not the "spotlight"
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>>97638262
I'm doing that as we speak. Now quit ragescrolling 4chan. You posted >>97638107 45 minutes ago.
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>>97638307
Well, the Tau are hoofed with no depth perception right? There's even domestication of the lower castes by the Ethereals.
And I think, think, they're herbivores. Don't have the pdfs handy, so I can't be fucked to double check that last bit.
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>>97638341
Fire Caste ate meat because they were hunters and warriors before the ethereals showed up, but I’m pretty sure the rest were vegetarians. I just assumed they all ate GreaterGoodslop now that’s got nutrients and no flavor, obviously not sourced from anything with a nervous system more complex than a fish.
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>>97638346
had a wall of text story about seeing "chew the cud" somewhere, but wasn't sure if that 100% meant herbivore nor if I personally read it so i deleted it
>infantryman's primer
at least my brain didn't make it up, but there's plausible deniability here, isn't there?
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>>97638364
the infantryman's primer is purposely inaccurate about everything it describes
it's in-universe humorous propaganda
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>>97638371
My bigbrain thesis wasn't directly hinging on it, but thanks for the clarification.
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>>97638371
Whatever it was, I only remember it showing up in one single place. And if it is infantryman's primer then I'd take it with a bowl of salt.
The only other thing I remember is the lore source stating that they're particularly vulnerable when chewing their cud.
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>>97637765
Bad, very bad.
The nu-hh that retconned practically everything just made everything more gay and stupid.
It ruined characters by either do shit that they would never do or made them actively retarded.
For example;
Emperor and his trip to Molech where now the story is that the Emperor made some retarded faustian deal with the chaos gods, despite the fact that he absolutely abhors them and only wants them and their daemons to all die. While also knowing that any dealings is practically suicide because the deal WILL come back to bite him in the ass.
Another is Lorgar and his "fall" to chaos. He didn't fall, he was pushed into it on railroad tracks.
They intentionally wrote him as a retard so they could railroad him into the Monarchia incident.
He was specifically told that there will be no religion within the Imperium told to him by the Emperor, only for Lorgar to hear that and make a religion and then center it around his father.
The other issue is that the modern "retelling" of the heresy suffers from the "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome. Every writer has their own goal and viewpoint how 40k and heresy should be, which just results in a schizophrenic mess.
And arguably GW should fire most of them, and then put a very tight, VERY short leash on the rest that remain.
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Still think the best way to have done it is by writing it as either later historical recollections (similar to FW books) and/or from the perspective of nobodies working alongside the historical figures. That way we can handwave inconsistencies as the protagonist not knowing the full picture or their views of things being coloured by their personal biases. You can have two authors writing about the same thing and have them happen very differently, because we're experiencing them through unreliable narrators.
>despite the fact that he absolutely abhors them and only wants them and their daemons to all die
Not to forget that in the past the Dark Gods recognized the Emperor as a threat and worked to thwart his plans. So why the two would work together at all is a mystery, beyond "what if the good guy is actually le bad?"
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>>97638807
Ynnari felt like the AoS thing where High Elves and Dark Elves were rolled into the same faction along with humans and dwarfs. Like GW wanted to slowly combine the ranges into one so they could use the free space to introduce new Eldar factions.
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They were definitely trying to consolidate lines. At the time AoS was just launching and lots of small armies with close ally support organized into super factions was the direction they seemed to want to go. They were laying the groundwork for lots of the Xenos to be more closely allied together with weird fluff about Necrons and Eldar being allies against Chaos since the War in Heaven and some odd descriptions of Tyranids and Orks becoming intertwined on a cellular level during Octarius.
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In RT the squigs were an attempt by the tyranids to use ork genetic stock. Orks attacked the fleet to take back their buddies, but were too late. Instead they recognized the squigs as orky and the squigs bonded with the orks. Tyranids finished with the project and also used their own squigs much like later rippers. Just swarms of little shits devouring everything.
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Here's my entry.
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