>>97661669
>Do you make background for your army or do you just put it on the table?
If you haven't created a backstory for /yourdudes/ that develops depending on each unit's performance in games, you're in the wrong hobby.

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>>97661689
But if you tell anyone about your backstory outside of names or slight details you're also in the wrong hobby.

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>>97661669
>TQ
You mean like your dudes?
Yeah my loyalist T sons i formulated a lot more lore for then my DA

>>97661669
>TQ
/yourdudes/ are cringe af.
Heresy is a sci-fi historical. Study it, find a piece of the setting + a character you like, and play that.

>>97661715
You can do both anon, legions are very big things.

>>97661705
Correct. The only instance you tell it to someone is if they specifically ask you in person for the entire lore of /yourdudes/ - which basically never happens.

>>97661715
If you can't appreciate a bit of cringe Warhammer is not for you.

>>97661669
/yourdudes/ are based and an part of 4/30k. people are just losing their own imagination and eat up the marvel esq. hero slop of my space dad could beat up your space dad.

>>97661715
boring fag, your dudes are it

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>>97661718
And if they do ask they're just being polite and you still just give them the twenty word summary.

The concept of the Horus heresy is a son betraying his father.

Have you ever seen anything like this irl? It could be anything from a young lion eating an old lion, dictator being usurped by his son, or even something like testifying against your father in court the reason other than being a spineless bootlicker?

Curious what real world parallels or inspirations could be drawn

>>97661927
A guy at my school killed his dad and then himself about a decade back, so yeah.

>>97661927
>Gestures broadly to the entire history of the roman empire.
I fucking mean....

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Starting to come together

>>97661943
Looking very nice, anon!

>>97661927
Anon I'm Nigerian, children betraying their parents or VV was common village drama back home

>>97661954
Thank You

>>97661927
Luke Skywalker

>>97661943
Excellent

>>97661711
Has anyone tried pistachio shells as weathered stones on bases? Maybe better for titans?

>>97662034
Thank you

>>97661955
Do you play Sallies, RG, or AL?

>>97662047
Don't be silly, I play Mechanicum

>>97661941
>>97662022
Im talking IRL. I once knew a dude who testified against his dad for kidnapping him, despite the dad raising him for his whole entire life, and now the son is a miserable wreck (idk if related, but he is broken now). It was fucked up.

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There never were any alternative colour schemes for the Iron Hands in the Heresy, were there? I don't like black armour but quite enjoy their lore :( if I ever played Marines in 40k I'd want to do the Sons of Medusa or something to keep the kino IH lore but ditch the black.
Know of any canon examples of non-dark armoured IH in Heresy?
Yes I know I can make up my own, if I was going to I wouldn't be asking :3

>>97662145
There's the red of autek mor's clan that I believe was started during the heresy

>>97662145
IH aren't black, they're a dark gunmetal

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>>97662179
>IH aren't black, they're a dark gunmetal

>>97662104
>Im talking IRL.
Is the Roman empire not real life?

>>97662252
Don't be silly, everyone knows the Roman empire was the just the cover story for the jews seeding the race of golems that would one day take over the western world

>>97662169
I was tempted, but Clan Morragul are black with red details/accents so I think it'd be hard to make them not just look like Heresy-era Dark Angels.

>>97661715
>Heresy is a historical
Lolno

>>97662250
Yes, I care about colors and liveries, is you acting like a lazy retarded faggot supposed to be a flex on me?

>>97662179
You mean blue.

>>97662104
Did you ask that question because you actually wanted an answer or was it just to share that tidbit with us, anon?

>>97662179
*silver

>>97662145
Any 2nd Founding chapter would have it’s roots in the Heresy, maybe you couldn’t just do a whole new scheme but maybe sticking some heraldry or coloring their pauldron something different could work.

>>97662179
Uuuh they're actually red.

>>97662330
Ummmmm aktually they are homosexual.

>>97662354
Uhm *adjusts glasses* akshually all the legions are homosexual.

Some are just more homosexual than others.

>>97662354
uuuuum aktually Iron Hands are sapiosexual

Actually, Iron Hands are not, they died.

>>97662481
Wait, Iron Hands is kill?

>>97662481
I can't believe Ferrus Manus is fucking dead

>>97662252
Obviously not

>>97662380
The Dark Angels aren't

>>97661669
>TQ
Always. It's also pretty topical considering the OP.

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>>97662145
The 30k IH scheme is a dark metallic color covered in oil + silver. They look nothing like DA or RG, we've been over this a billion times.

>>97662145
Make 'em Blackshields since Blackshields= custom colours

>>97662604
anon those fuckers are clearly just metallic black

>>97662604
nta but this does nothing to help anon lmfao if he doesn't like black armour screaming "IT'S NOT BLACK! IT'S JUST BASICALLY BLACK!" probably won't change anything rofl

>>97662145
Nope, for the most part Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing like 40k does. Most Legions are fairly standard in terms of colour with maybe a few small changes here and there, but even then they'll be like 95% the same as others in the Legion.

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Not.
Black.

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>>97662638
>Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing

>>97662654
Yep. Notice how I said, " for the most part Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing like 40k does. Most Legions are fairly standard in terms of colour with maybe a few small changes here and there, but even then they'll be like 95% the same as others in the Legion."
But I get it, foids and gays love doing that whole gotcha thing so I can't blame you, it's in your nature.

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NOT BLACK SAAR

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SAAR NOT BLACK! NOOO!

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>>97662663
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>97662705
You know, and I know you know, I was not referring to something like that. Word Bearers changing the colour scheme of their entire Legion is not the same as a World Eater having the exact same colours but the blue is in a different place or an Iron Hand wearing Iron Hand colours but with a red shoulder.
I know this, you know this, I know you know this. But the gays must have their gotchas, so you continue.

>>97662647
>>97662681
>>97662690
You seem to have shut 'em up lol

>>97662663
>Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme"
Anon you're just wrong, a cursory look through the Black Books you can see the same legion having very different paint schemes.
Also the Alpha Legion

>>97662654
Dishonest argumentation
>pre-Angron look that would only be used by Loyalists or Blackshields
>main look
>mid-late Heresy colors
>destroyer colors

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Veteran assault marine, or just a regular assault marine for my traitor XIX. Getting closer and closer to being done with my marines for adepticon.

What are you working on today? Got any WIP?

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>>97662754
>it's dishonest to bring up different legion colour schemes in a discussion about different legion colour schemes
lol

>>97662647
>>97662681
>>97662690
>gunmetal
>gunmetal
>actually black and an example of how IH aren't supposed to look as the colors are closer to RG
Don't you have a toilet to unclog, Stanislaw?

>>97662766
Sons of Medusa have no basis in the Heresy, they're from m36. A narrow selection of alternate liveries is no excuse for green IH or orange DA.
If you absolutely must bring your garbage ideas to the table, play Blackshields.

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>>97662781

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>>97662762
Making very slow progress on a saturnine command squad.

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>>97662781
>no excuse for green IH
I've seen people take the greasy green hue on the FW Gorgon terminators to more extremes. If IH are not black, but "gunmetal", then nothing stops someone from applying the wash of their choosing over that to give their IH the shade of gunmetal they want.

>>97662145
Make them Blackshields and play them with IH rules

>>97662821
Cool plague marine faggot, go back to /40kg/.

>>97662783
I accept your concession.

>>97662834
Could be siege of terra.

>>97662810
I used the same 3d prints for the hammers for my command squad, I also used the lightning claw hands but man I had to shelve the whole project because all the finger talons are so incredibly fragile. Going to have to replace them all individually with some sort of plastic equivalent.

Your command squad is coming along great.

>>97662821
if they're gunmetal just give them an mlp wrap

>>97662883
Printer resin does seem a little too brittle for something like lightning claw blades. I still carve custom swords out of plastic card for the same reason, it's just a lot more durable.

>>97662772
>>gunmetal
>>gunmetal
>I WILL MAKE THINGS UP UNTIL YOU SAY I'M RIGHT
Bold strategy.

>>97662781
No one said they were, and anon did not say he was going to paint his 30k dudes Sons of Medusa you goalpost moving sperg.

>>97661927
God being betrayed by Satan from the Bible, bro.

>>97662179
Oily gunmetal

>>97662608
>A blind man cannot see

Iron Hands armour is as black as NuSpace Wolves skin. Simple as.

>>97663048
So dark brown then?

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>>97662925
>>97663039
>paint marines silver
>apply oily rainbow effect

>>97661937
A dude I went to school with also killed his dad and blew his skull apart afterwards after something to do with him being gay and his dad hating it or something, also a decade ago.
Must've been going around.

>>97662608
>>97662620
They have a green shine, they aren't black.

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fuck yeah, nabbed the fuckers.
peak consumerism i know but i lost two set of these when filthy drunk, feels like fixing a mistake

I will be painting my Iron Hands black with silver trim/details, red bolters and green glowing eyes.

>>97663096
>green eyes
wtf seek davinite health care

>>97663092
>Fixing one mistake by making another
Based.

>>97661507
This shit is a godsent, while building and painting my stuff I've been reading and rereading this section so much that I had to make a cut down pdf from the book 6 one with it along with screenshots so getting it in full HD is amazing. Rare GW win.

>>97663155
The HQ black book lore PDFs really are a rare act of generosity from GW. Still baffling that we're getting these for free, instead of GW doing a re-print or digital release through BL that costs and arm and a leg.

>>97663192
I wouldn't have minded forking over some cash for a leatherbound book 6 without anything missing but this isn't something they do anymore. That being said this is great and was wondering when they would drop the Bodt pdf the moment they started making these.

Any anons got a link to a pdf of the horus heresy black book number 9? I found 1-8 on internet archive, but 9 is eluding me right now....

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How's that for a blackshield's aquila?

>>97662145
other than the old oil-sheen iridescence that FW used to do?

you could probably get away with very dark rust; the IH sections of Massacre feature white/silver as highlights on the examples, particularly on the vehicles (tho one legionary in particular looks a lot more dark metal than black); the Inductii heraldry (what little official art of it there was) had silver helms as well I think, which is at least not all-black

if you're going to run them as Shattered Legions you can start introducing colors from the other SL in your force to tie everything together visually (as long as you're making it clear which actual scheme is which Legion); you could even go fully insane, paint them extremely dark red/metallic rust, slap the Clan Morragul symbol on them and do moon crime

you want to go absolutely fucking nuts? quartered black-with-blue-highlight (like an old comic book highlight - think Spider-Man's original black costume) and red-rust and call them Brazen Claws; going for the bright 40k heraldry is probably going too far (tho they are Your Dudes), but something more subtle, if you can be bothered, would be fucking incredible

>>97663245
Looks like it's picking its nose lol

>>97663257
:(

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>Do you make background for your army or do you just put it on the table?

I do for 40k but Ligma I just focus on companies, squads, banners, markings, iconography etc. epic is a game of the grand battalions rather than specific marines.

I do plan on naming all my warhound titan tho and making paper banners for it. I'm thinking arm mounted banners like the OG warhounds.

>>97663245
Give it a tear drop in the corner of the eye and make them a combined RG and BA force.

>>97661669
>TQ
I'm trying to make a fluffy Alpha Legion boarding party for ZM. /mydudes/ fluff is that they're a force of "loyalist" AL who have been attempting to oppose the efforts of an Emperor's Children commander (my opponent) in this local galactic region, slowing down and delaying his invasion of surrendering systems via assassination, sabotage, equipment theft etc.
They're currently boarding and stealing ships to weaken him, aid the local Imperialis Armada forces and to regrow their fleet which took a hammering over Isstvan.

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I'll need some shoulder pads from home but here's an indomitus sergeant with combi grenade amd power spear.

>>97663472
Sexy. Legion?

>>97663479
More Blackshields

>>97661927
The Bible, bro

3rd Ed is such a rush job they didn't even bother correcting "Battalion I was composed of Veterans..." in the Legion lore org chart's Company section. This is even though the chart was revised to include Demi-Companies.

>>97663626
The Black Book snippets are a psyop so when they get to book 7 and 8 they can sneak a few femstodes in and pretend they were always there

>>97661689
I think you can both have the backstory for /yourdudes/, and also treat them as a canvas that gets painted on with whatever happens on the tabletop.
>AL infiltration cell
>Victory, but Warlord dies bringing enemy warlord out in the open.
>Saboteur is the only surviving HQ, and sole surviving Seeker sarge is the one who gets the enemy warlord
>Surviving Saboteur takes the persona of the previous warlord, Seeker sarge becomes the new Saboteur. Survivors are promoted to fill the casualties.
>An identical link of the chain to replace the previous config.
>New leader absorbs the memories of the previous one (who got the job the same way) and learns that guy's predecessor also got promoted the very same way
>It's an unbroken chain of inheritance
>He chooses not to tell the new recruits, just like his own senior battle brothers didn't tell him
>"It does work"

anyone here an iron warrior fan?

>>97663734
No, but I like stripes.

>>97663734
Brother... this is like walking into a gay bar and asking if anybody is homosexual.

How to best represent Ashen Claws with Blackshields? RG Panopoly + spoils of war?

I am still unreasonably mad that every single Titan-centric story in the HH novel series ended up being so terrible, even by the already subterranean cthonic standards of BL writing. How do you fuck up the basic concept of "giant robots fight giant robots?"

>>97663774
Who?

>>97663776
Obviously they never watched gundam

>>97663776
I'm still upset Mortis not only was one of the most boring, terrible novels of the entire series, but it also had the worst titan combat and not even a single sentence from the perspective of Legio Mortis.

>>97663825
Titandeath was 400 pages and the actual titandeath was like three chapters, one of which was about Sanguinius.
The FemC's impregnation, pregnancy, and birth recieved as much attention as the largest titan combat of the war.

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Why do the warhound sprues in the LI starter set have 2 identical sets of loyalist and traitor heads with the exception of having only 1 of the chin piece per titan? and why was it that piece that went flying off and made me spend 20 minutes searching for it.

I had to stop to get moral support from cat. If he had a name that translated well into latin i'd name the titan after him because I found the piece right after.

>>97663825

I liked the titan scenes in Betrayer.

>>97663877
Spite.

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>>97663121
mistake after mistake sums up my life.
i'm just trying to enjoy Mr bones's wild ride

>>97663923
Honestly the best way to go about it, caring only gets you grey hairs.

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>>97661848
>Tfw I actually want to know about /your dudes/ (I'll include them in /my dudes/'s Notable Campaigns section)

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>>97663952
can't afford time to regret, learn and keep moving is the way to go.
i'm a bit mad today, the virgin mojito was not virgin at all and i didn't notice.
end of two month streak. ffs

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>>97661669
i don't have a "mydudes"
all the fluff i make up is one off, since i lose almost all my games the usual backgrounds are various themes of "praetor dumbfuck and his clown company"

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>>97662753
Can we have something like this but without being Blackshield?

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>>97663774
They don't benefit from Raven's Talons at all, I'd go with spoils + eternal vendetta

>>97663788
Blackshield RG

>>97663964
If you already managed a two month streak you can do it again, and longer.

Pic reminds me I really need to get that xiphon for my DA painted, such an amazing model.

>>97663998
You could probably get away with it if you threw in a splash of Ultramarine imagery/colors, sort of like how the Templar Brethren are a visual halfway point between regular Fists and modern Black Templars.

>>97663776
What's wrong with them? I've never read any such story.
But I watched that Hellsreach YouTube movie based on the novel lol. Crone of Invigilata ;__;

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>>97663745
Well ...are you?

>>97664100
I play Dark Angels.

>>97664100
not trazyns litteral pokeballs?

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>>97664138
I didn't find the picture I was looking for

>>97664093
Titandeath is boring filler material that barely has any Titan death. Mortis is boring filler material that doesn't feature any scenes from a Legio Mortis crew's POV. It also completely wasted the Ordo Sinister. All that buildup and mystery from the tabletop game rulebooks, only for their novel debut to be a couple pages of a psi-titan standing around, accomplishing fuck-all, then getting smoked by Warmaster Titans.

Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I'm also tired of Imperator Titans existing for the sole purpose of dying horribly.

>>97664158
What would you have liked it to be? I wonder if the Kill Horus titan show satisfies people

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Starting to put together my World Eaters veteran breacher squad. How are we feeling about melee loadouts with the unit? I'm just glad I can finally make Triarii work.

>>97664275
More Titan fights, less meatbag drama. More scenes from the perspective of different Titan crews, both loyalist and traitor. More autistic technobabble, especially for the Ordo Sinister tech. Abnett's Titanicus wasn't perfect, but it did a better job of writing Titan combat in the crew chatter, weapon/tech babble, and grand strategy. It would have been cool to read about Titan crews riding heat curves and managing weapon range brackets, Techpriests juggling power distribution and reorienting shields, Imperator principes managing fire missions for battlefields multiple kilometers away, grand Titan formations shifting across intercontinental theaters on what should be grimdark planetary wars. Basically, Red Storm Rising but the pregnancy is replaced by giant robots.

>>97664275
Not having titans constantly job to the nearest Primarch.

>>97664283
Hard to go wrong with veteran breachers. Only mistake is loading them up with too many upgrades I think, they only got a 3+ armour save at the end of the day.

>>97664283
love the look. what did you use for the rod of the spear?

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>>97664275
Kill Lupercal was great. Short and sweet, just pure flavor.
>>97664328
How about some FUCKING secutarii being mentioned, for once, instead of titans suddenly spawning lascannon point defense turrets fucking everywhere they aren't on the goddamn models. How about authors that actually looked at the fucking models before writing a dozen first drafts and assembling them into a book?

Here's the thing that bothers me so much about BL and why it really is just slop. You have a setting with mortal soldiers, super soldiers, magic soldiers, tanks, giant mechs, space ships, and the entire series is just G.I. Joe with space wizards. There's no claustrophobic stories of tank commanders, there's no pilots, what little there is about titan crews is them just sitting around, there's no Star Trek Enterprise to have a cast of the crew of a spaceship and how complicated it is to operate them, eight bazillion novels and it's all just Joe-Schmoe on the ground with a sword. Even all the politicking of titan legions just gets balled up and ignored in the corner so you can have a chapter about having a tea kettle in the titan's head unit.
Even the blasphemous possession of titans by demons was just because a princeps had a hissy fit and decided to stick one in and then it grew a tail and that was IT.

>>97664429
The saddest thing about the setting will always be how much limitless potential it has, and GW's complete and utter lack of being able to fully utilise it.

>>97663998
It’s pretty common in the military for soldiers to wear patches or get tattoos as well as other signifiers of their specific company, you could probably paint an arm or kneepad red and yellow, maybe having the Howling Griffon’s symbol as a secondary symbol to the Ultramarine heraldry.

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>>97664429

Secutarii get a fair shake in Betrayer but I can't think of anywhere else in HH which is a shame because they are unreasonably cool. Helsreach also features them which I think gets to the point since since 2014 knights and robots have usurped and stolen their role as titan support units and GW will always feature an expensive knight model over a fluffy and cool Secutarii they barely have models for.

Even in Ligma a game where having titans and secutarii fighting together would be perfect in both fluff and gameplay (to paraphrase the greatest Russian military thinker of M2 "Titan Legions are commanded by total idiots; you send in the secutarii first, then the god engines") what native support units do they have:

>thallaxii
>4 flavours of cybernetica robots
>tech thrall blobs with laslocks.

What they don't have:
>Secutarii

If you want something akin to Secutarii you'd need to use an Auxillia or Skittari allies formation and shoot any tourneyfags who complain about violating the rules on allied units dead on the spot.

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>>97664383
Yeah, they're definitely a points sink. Giving half the squad just chainaxes, but it's still pretty pricey.
>>97664402
Just a length of brass rod - simple, but effective. I'm going to have to put something on the butt of the spear and around the haft to make it look more like a convincing power weapon, but as a proof of concept I'm pretty happy with it. They're also getting half-capes, to mark them out as a veteran, command unit.

>>97664578
>half capes
awesome

>>97663241
https://limewire.com/d/siHGZ#rFvx4CoAdw

>>97664578
what mm of rod is that? never used any in my conversions but thinking about building some spearmen of my own and your kitbash has given me the inspiration to go forward with it.
As for the butt of the spear id think about a simple greenstuff ball for a pommel of some kind.

>halfcape over the shield side to obfuscate his leg movements
absolutely peak stuff anon, keep it up

>>97664003
Seems like AC were straight up traitors, what were they doing at the Garmon cluster?

>>97664960
They're not traitors, they're renegades. They don't give a fuck about the Emperor or Horus they just want to carve out their pirate space empire

>>97663964
don't get hung up about it and get back to it, also why do you even have that stuff in the house if you are trying to stay clean, spill that shit out in the sink or toilet.

>>97663472
where is the combi bolter tho

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>>97663245
where did you get that skull?

>>97663626
Yes it is GW slop so, we will never get Blight era again.

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>>97664965
>They don't give a fuck about the Emperor

>>97663776
Ember Wolves, Titandeath and Tallarn are pretty good Titan stories.

>>97664967
i went to a bar
silly me, i hate bars

>>97662604
>>97663044
>>97663067
>Index Astartes Pre-Heresy IH: black
>Visions of Heresy IH: black
>99% of people's armies: black, metallic black
>One FW paint scheme that a handful of people followed: oilslick
>HURR DURR DIS MEANS DUH IRUN FINGEEZ R GREEN GURRRRRRRRR

Fucking retards.

>>97664821
>limewire

Is that even still a thing...?

I visited another general and I had no idea how good this one was, have a nice weekend everyone.

>>97665114
Ok I accept your concession, but praise be to FW for making IH scheme unique with the oily look since there were already two other legion who were black, DA and RG.

>finishing up Know No Fear
>Gulliman designates red helmets as a sign of command before the Battle of Calth is even over
I figured it’d be a post-Heresy thing with Thiel being a unique case until it was over. Good to know for future units, I’ve only got one done so far.

>>97662179
>RG
Matte Black
>DA
Glossy Black
>IH
Metallic Black

Are Blackshield Seekers the best unit in the game?

I can make them BS6 with The Flesh Is Weak and allied Cybertheurgy, which means they'll be firing 20 bolt shots each phase that hit on a 2+ (with 6 autowounding), wound on a 4+ and ignore saves due to Breaching 4+, for an average of 10 dead tacticals.

You can do the same with the traitor prime benefit, but with Blackshields you can spam them because EVERY Seeker unit is eligible for Cybertheurgy rather than requiring a prime slot AND you can use Pride Is Our Armour to turn all your troops slots into elites. Giving you a list of nothing but Seekers, Tech-Priests and whatever command tax + AT you need.

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I'd like to make 2000 points Auxilia list with infantry, tanks and artillery, but there a suggested number of how many basic lasgun units you should have and should you go 10 or 20 men?

>>97665231
Novels aren't canon.

>>97665289
Are you intending to fill the remaining 1000/3000pts with allies?

>>97665323
Probably more Auxilia, maybe a very big tank as a center piece. Or maybe some terminators or other marine elite for fluff.

>>97648050
What models did your friends use for the militia infantry?

>>97665343
Looks like wargames atlantic grognards

>>97665343
I'd reckon on those being Les Grognards infantry from WGA.

>>97665277
>EVERY Seeker unit is eligible for Cybertheurgy
Flesh is weak makes them Automata. It does not make them part of the Mechanicum faction.

Read the rules

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>>97665397
>>97665413
NTA but is this same backpack? I assume they're covering up the canteen they got on their backs.

>>97665431
No. The guns also look different. Grog bodies seem to be the base. Heads too. The rest looks converted.