>>97646334
Really looking forward to the Whirlwind. Always been a big fan of it, despite its many years of mediocre rules.

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>>97646334
>TQ
Do we have any teased/upcoming models that aren't the Custodes update or space marine tanks?

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>no teased epic scale minis since december

I sleep.

Saturnine mins were pretty cool except the tiny embarrassing banner on the command squad

Plastic Armigers and Knight Destriers for AT/LI when?!

>>97646629
Turbo cute kittar, now show me the embarrassing banner.

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>>97646550
So, non-retarded hairstyles for women just aren't a thing, then?
I think 30k, being 40k's pre-history, could have women with 80s styles

>>97646334
>>TQ gimmie that MLRS whirlwind tank thanks

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When was your last game game anons?

I was able to attend an event this wekeend and take the Mastadon for a spin with the now fully painted Iron Hands.It was soooo chonky and dropping that melta pie plate on peoples command squads and tanks was delcious.

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:^}

Using a primaris helmet on my model BUT it's a head on a spike

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>>97647274

>>97647132
Last saturday. The battle ended a pyrrhic 15-15 draw.

>>97647132
Your sicaran looks sick, any close up shots of it? I didn't see any on your insta.

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>>97646791

Literally some tattered banner, FORGE WORLD IS THE KING IN TATTERS

anyway how am I supposed to put a cool design on this

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>>97647132
My last game was 2 weeks ago, fun relic hunt mission that was surprisingly close mostly due to me being retarded and refusing to put units on objectives until turn 3-4 for some reason. Here's Domitar Bukavac A-1, nearly winning me the game singlehandedly

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>>97647310
Excuse the poor focus it was my first time using the DLSR at an event and took me a while to dial it properly.

>>97647274
love a close game especially last turn

>>97647329
domitar love, what a chad

>>97647312
Those little guys are way cute

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I keep forgetting a couple skulls I need to finish the auils but otherwise super herald is ready for priming

>>97647380
Hawt

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>>97647413

>>97647132
Holy kino, please tell me you got more pictures like this

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Working on a squad of Despoilers.
Yellow is in various stages of being layered up.
Need to do his weapon, finish the black on his left shoulder, finish the yellow, do hazard stripes, do some clean up and then do a wash.
I am liking how he's coming out so far.

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>>97647788
yes anon, yes I did. Not nearly enough but I got a few

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>>97647788
>>97647832
The militia army I played against was literally peak 30k hobby and was legit a terror to play against.

>>97647852
>The militia army I played against was literally peak 30k hobby and was legit a terror to play against.
I saw the Visions imperial army attempt and knew this immediately, thanks for the pics

>>97647852
>>97647901
Militia player have an instagram page or anything? Would love to see more

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>>97647901
>>97647925
Check out numbersnotnames on insta, he is off chops and a great dude.

also another pic, protip the Iron Father survived the firestorm and proceeded to charge into close combat and spend a couple of turns murdering militia like Sauron in the LOTR opening with his thunderhammer.

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>>97648050
Amazing

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>>97648162
Cheers anon, the flesh is weak but the hobby vibes are keen.

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>>97648310
>actually gets to shoot a plane with the AA mount
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>97647312
Lil cute guys with their hilariously oversized tonka truck axes ;__;

>>97647312
>Ligma got official saturnine command squad models
I'm more and more convinced Ligma is a thing purely because it's the pet project of a few members of the HH team and they are really, really into it.

>>97647132
>dropping that melta pie plate on peoples command squads and tanks was delcious.
I knew Mastodons had to be viable yeeee. You even fought vostroyan-like Imperial Army :O

>>97647139
yjk

>>97647852
What made militia a terror to fight? I thought their vehicles were third line garbage and whatnot

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>>97648496

Pretty clear the Forge World team like Epic since its been a major source for new 28mm models.

I do hope you are right since it means AT and LI will be eating well for years to come.

>>97648050
are those the new tiny legend models?

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Did that rpg for Hh ever release?

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>>97648536
third line isnt bad when you can flood the board with cheap tankets and target saturation + movement blocking. The arty is mean as well + BS4 mass militia shooting really does add up and hurt. Pair that with disciple masters in line troops there are actually a pain to shift on mass unless you have lots of pie plates. I am really keen to make a Militia list with lots of tankette, calvalry and arty spam as soon as my WA kickstarter arrives.

I 100% left the event knowing I need more pie plates in general as everyone arty was doing good work the whole time.

>>97648658
Still no news it seems.

>>97648699
Was his other provenance the Ld one?

>>97648700
Sad!

>>97648699
What was he proxying the tankettes as? the squat trike things?

>>97648699
It warms the heart to hear Militia doing well.

>>97648745
>>97648699
What tankettes are you guys talking about? Cyclops demo vehicles?

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>>97648829
Militia Scout rover from the fast attack slot and you take them in aux first strike detachments.

>>97646997
Why does she wear the mask?

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>>97649167

Is that a tankette tho?

Although if I made a datacard for it or stole a similar one from Titan Legions (I think it has a Spartan carrier) I could proxy a 6mm Bren Carrier Legimp Auxilia need a recce unit that isn't just a meh sentinel and more cute smol mechanised inf stuff.

>>97647812
why does the nu-mkii have rings on his knees and the other junk on his leg side, are those straps?

>>97649244

A Salamander rather

Might end up playing 1st ed Zone Mortalis. Could be fun!

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>>97649244
I have files for some small open topped salamander esk tiny carries, and have already done cargo 8 proxiies, Wargame Atlantic has really dragged it ass shipping to AUS

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Could a Saturnine plasma bombard fit on a Leviathan?

>>97645791
>Unironically, WS and UM wouldn't fight lmfao none of the traitor WS we know of ever interacted with the UM.
Technically you're correct because we weren't given any names or specifics, but you are as wrong as that one fucker that says the EC didn't have Librarians.

>>97648535
In one of the first HH novels they literally had a woman fuck a diseased pig before she was sacrificed

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>>97649702
Don't know about the difference in the mounting point, but size wise they don't look that off.

>>97648699
What models did he use for the infantry?

If I’m reading the rules right, Veteran Tactical Squads are basically your option for Tactical Squads with more than just bolters?

>>97649810
Nah, imo the Saturnine is stupidly big

Working on my first Despoiler squad. Will add a chaplain to them, but will call him Master of murders. He will wear an Esvaton power claw and will have a throphy dead Dark Angel on the base

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And here is the photo

>>97649748
I don't believe that happened lmfao

>>97649729
>I'm a lorelet!
We can tell.

>>97649317
As fun as it is unbalanced, enjoy! Lean into the narrative side of ZM.

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I know named characters are cringe but I've been playing this guy in legions and I kind of want to build a small force arpund him, he is very cool (i will make a generic option for people who don't want to play him)

>>97649946
>I know named characters are cringe
Not in Horus Heresy.

>>97649810
its retard scale creep just like the saturnine termies, so bad

>>97649859
Beautiful anon, the old marks hold up well.

>>97649748
>>97649866
Yeah it was in the second book, during the davinite lodge scene with Erebus?

>>97649859
My only critique is how clean the legs look, should be some dirt dust or something

2nd edition Thallax are OP.

>>97650089
I...genuinely have no memory of that, in the slightest.

>>97649946
That sword is so fucking ugly

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>>97649377

Reminds me of the Gorgon.

Also I realised making LI rules for a universal carrier would be pretty easy

>Move 10" Save 5+ CAF 0 Morale 4+ W 1
>Transport (1)
>Heavy Stubber or Flamer.
>+20 points to add 4x gun carriers instead of additional troop upgrades for Tercios and Velentarii.+5 to equip a HQ with 1x gun carrier.

It would work better if it was restricted to a stripped back scout infantry formation with very limited optional units but I'm keeping it simple

>>97649946
I thought it was cringe too, my friends are BL normgroids and I regularly face Abbadon, Sevatar, and Kharn. I'll get kino like a centurion or praetor stripping a wound off one of them and lasting a little longer in a challenge, even win sometimes. Recently picked up Corswain and there has been some challengekino, right now he is undefeated, still has to face off against Abbadon.

>>97650103
Good for you, it was gross and now I remember the book name, False Gods.

>>97650279
>>97649946
It is cringe, it's marvelslop tier. Make your own OG praetor and kitbash him.
But sometimes we must embrace the cringe.

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>>97649859
Hello Brothers!

>>97650355
The guy on the right looks very sassy

>>97649729
>rent free
Lmao, still mad about being proven wrong.
Nope, the EC didn't have proper librarians. Inferno is wrong just like it's wrong in other cases.

The Librarians of the Emperor's Children have few remaining functions as scribes. Other than making occasional notes of ''amusing'' and ''witty'' deaths they have witnessed. Their main duty is to provide psychic support to the physical struggles of their fellow Legionaries.''

''There is also the immutable fact that the Emperor Himself was a psyker of unprecedented power, although the scale of His psychic might was such that He was beyond the perils of the Empyrean, and that He Himself had no doubt deliberately made the Thousand Sons what they were, at least in inception. Furthermore, and with greater discretion, Alpharius of the Alpha Legion, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children and the Night Haunter- Curze himself was a potent psychic oracle by some accounts- all made active use of psykers within the ranks of their Legions, though perhaps with more reservation and less fanfare. These Primarchs had all supported a proposed scheme of structured training within the Space Marine Legions that would allow psychically talented Legionaries to employ their powers safely and in a directed and regimented manner-an initiative that would become known as the Librarius Project during the mid years of the Great Crusade.''

''They spread out around Fulgrim, each weighing the enormity of what they were doing against the potential for wonder and fresh sensation. That they had managed to subdue a primarch was miracle enough, but to drive out a creature of the warp… Was such a thing even possible Lucius looked from face to face, understanding that no one gathered around the body of Fulgrim could answer that question. The Emperor’s Children had been a Legion reticent in employing Librarians. The genetic quirk that allowed a psyker to wield the power of the warp came about as a result of a genetic mutation, a flaw. And nothing that could be considered a flaw would be permitted within the ranks of Fulgrim’s Legion.''

>>97650292
Quote the passage then, if you remember the book and the scene is real

I reeeeeeally want to play Night Lords in Mk3 armour with Tartaros Terminators and Castraferrum Dreadnoughts :(

>>97650531
Why can't you?

>>97650558
Here's 2 reasons why he can't.
They don't use MK3 in Heresy, there's no known Casta Dread in the Night Lords so we've no way of knowing if they used them.

>>97650531
Don't.

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>>97650531
Then go ahead, there's nothing stopping you

>>97650592
>They don't use MK3 in Heresy
GTFO you fucking tourist.

>>97650592
Bait. Plenty of examples of caraphractii atramentar and mkIII armor being used. Hell, even the Thramas crusade excerpts posted by GW has them.

>>97650592
>They don't use MK3 in Heresy
I remember when i first got into Horus heresy and thought i knew it all.

What armour marks do alpha legion tend to use? I love their colour scheme and it's pretty quick to do with contrast paint over silver.

(I don't say that to be lazy, I do get fairly autistic over fine details in mini painting, just I'm also a procrastinator so doing the main two colours fast is a bonus)

>>97650715
Whatever helps them infiltrate obviously
But they're probably most recognizably tied in the lore and models to mk4, mk6, and mk7

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Every Legion used every mark of power armour.
Emperor's Children had Librarians.
Death Guard had jump pack assault troopers and jetbikes.
White Scars had Dreadnoughts and heavy tanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3bx0HlTMU

>>97650756
ignore rules and text, the only true lore is colour plates.
legions were actually only a couple dozen guys

>>97650715
Any and all of the armour marks. The AL even had early Mk VI they developed themselves from stolen blueprints.

>>97650094
Yes, I know and I plan to add something, just need to test it a little bit. Not sure if I will go with airbrush some paint, add pigment or just add some paint with a regular brush.

>>97650086
Yep, I agree. In my army I only have old marks with the only exception of the new mk6 which I got with 2nd esition starter box. I can't bare all the same poses on the new marks.

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>>97650476
Not him but

>>97650756
I can't take alchem flamers on destroyers anymore, can I?

>>97650715
My inductii are mk2-3 and tacs are mk6 to subvert expectations

>Mk2/Mk3 were supposed to be the old, outdated clunkers that newbies get and MkVI the new hotness with the best tech
>now it's the opposite, veterans wearing old tech and greenhorns wearing beaky armour

>>97650904
It was never that straightforward
>EC favored mk4, mk2/3 was a sign of disfavor, mk6 was mostly inductii
>WE favored mk2/3 over others
>DG favored mk3 over others
>SoH had no preference

>>97650924
I wish we collated all of these little factoids into a cohesive mass, call that shit the Codex Armoris

>>97650904
I can see how veterans would prefer old style armour which they had fought in most of their life, beakie armour was still fairly rare until mid heresy and very specialized.
The middle of the road would be the beloved mkIV.

>>97650924
False SoH preferred mkIV which was the most advanced mark at the time and Horus used his influence as warmaster to make sure his legion got dibs.

>>97650904
Even some of the old SM 40k codexes mentioned that some veterans preferred Mk II because of its higher degree of mobility. Though some level of wanting to stick with what they're used to is probably also a factor.
It's never been as simple as a line of progressive improvement. Each armour pattern had its own strengths and weaknesses to some degree. And most have interchangeable parts as well.

Mostly fresh recruits wearing the newest armour would be a natural result of logistics. It takes less time to equip recently trained inductii with the new armour and send them to the front lines, than it does to have veterans pull back from the front lines for re-supply and re-arming.

>>97650904
It's logistically more expedient for shipments of new gear to go to new recruits than go and ship them to the field, have units hand out all of their old gear, go through that gear and make sure it's all in working order and complete (no missing parts or modifications that change how the suits work), then hand those suits to new guys. You also don't need to train all the vets with the new gear as training for the new gear would be part of the training the new recruits go through.

>>97650939
Horus liked mk4 and Erebus
SoH liked all armor as long as they could put spikes, topknots, and gang runes on it but HATED Erebus

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>>97650940
>And most have interchangeable parts as well.
I've heard the complete opposite of this.

>>97650940
>>97650904
>Mk2 has higher degree of mobility
Compared to Mk3 maybe.
Mk3 was a stop gap armor, and it was specifically deigned for zone mortalis conflicts to have thicker plates especially around the chest.
If anything the best power armor of the HH was Mk4, Mk6 was specifically designed for recon and rapid deployment, it was technologically more advanced then Mk4 was but Mk4 was the shit that most everyone wanted.

>>97650558
I'm working on Mechanicum for HH and Legio Vulpa titans for AT. I've no time (or money lol) for another project.
Perhaps someday.

>>97650592
Fuck off immediately and never blight this threshold again bitch

>>97650771
>The AL even had early Mk VI they developed themselves from stolen blueprints.
Really?
Kino

>>97650803
Nta buuuuut that's nasty.

>>97650622
Lmfao ok bud, I don't see any reference to them usually Castraferrum in that pic, but sure you totally showed me.

>>97650983
>Compared to Mk3 maybe.
According to 7e armour cards, with the MkIV (and subsequent suits) switching to solid plate construction with flexible joints (taken from MkIII), there was a slight decrease in mobility over the fully flexible MkII. Not much, but enough to note it in the fluff.
>Mk3 was a stop gap armor
To what? Even in M41 it's still the best armoured of the marks. It's a specialist suit not designed as standard issue.
>Mk6 was specifically designed
As the next step, taking as much of the advancements from MkIV as possible and combining them with the dual circuitry for easier field repairs with simpler parts. Effectively fixing the issues that the MkIV had with using so much advanced tech that it was harder to repair in the field.

>>97650980
To be fair, even FW contradicted itself

>>97650803
Nice

>>97651107
>To what?
Terminator armor i believe.

>>97651144
But MkIII kept being used despite terminator armour existing. Terminators now even predate MkIII and even MkII.

So if the Heresy never happened would the Legions have just ended up being equipped with a mix of MkVI and MkVII (Or perhaps I should say MkV and MkVI since MkV is a post-heresy designation) within a few decades? Actually, would the MkVII been different if it wasn't rushed into service because of the Heresy or would the end result have been the same?

>>97651201
If there was no heresy then legions would have been equipped with mk4 or whatever later true iterations had been made on it. There's a reason it's called maximus, it's the peak of mass produced astartes power armor. Everything that came after was an adaptation to wartime conditions and a lower quality environment, not qn improvement.

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>>97650592
>there's no known Casta Dread in the Night Lords
anon...

>>97651201
MkVI was the rushed version while the project was completed on Terra as the MkVII. Despite the difference in appearance and the helmet design, the two suits are nigh identical, which is why they both continued to serve till M41. I can imagine MkVII with some tweaks would've been the next standard suit. Probably with a clean breastplate (the aquila was a sort of flex on traitors at the time) and maybe with a different helmet design (the Sarum inspired one felt like something the put together in a hurry, though MkVIII also has a similar helmet design, so maybe it just was what they were going for anyway?) It's a fun thought experiment.

I've also heard theories terminator suits would've been more common, maybe serving as the heavy assault suit while MkV(II) would've been the standard issue suit for everyone else.

>>97651238
They were already working on the next iteration of power armour before the Heresy, since while the mk4 has all the bells and whistles, as the mk5 showed, the technology was not readily available across the legions and caused problems with logistics.

>>97650983
MkIII wasn't stopgap armour, mkV was. MkIII was invented to fight squats in tunnels, it's literally just mkII with more front armour plates.

>>97651201
If the heresy never happened and emps conquered everything legions would be nearly exclusively equipped with tartaros.

>>97650784
Very nice, yes the same poses are very annoying.

>>97650775
I just use very diluted paint and water, you can just do a test and see what works best for you.

>>97651263
It having a model doesn't mean they used it.

>>97650803
Gross

>>97651303
no

>>97651324
WHAT?!

>>97651344
Yes.

>>97651271
Its really just my headcanon for what would have happened if armour development continued organically but I like the idea of there being a "standard" armour, a "lighter" armour, and a "heavier" armour. An alt-MkVII then would be the standard armour, the MkVI or a variant thereof would be the lighter armour and a common issue amongst the more mobility focused legions, and maybe an alt-MkVIII incorporating more elements of the MkIII for the "heavier" armour.

>>97651361
Anon, stop replying to painfully obvious bait.

>>97650803
lol wicked

>>97651369
if he doesn't reply then he won't get any replies to his bait

Word Bearers, Night Lords or Alpha Legion ZM force. Hard to choose...

>>97651438
Word bearers

>>97646550
just Black Book stuff for now I think, nothing in the pipeline

Angroune is out and proud isn't he?

most of the rumour engine stuff that's identifiably 40k ish for the last 6 months related to the Red Corsairs wave, today's is gnomes as a full playable AoS faction (gonna save the game), next week we might be due a HH tease, who knows? maybe we'll get Destrier rules alongside 40k, maybe we'll get a mission everybody can complain about

>>97651438
WB if you're going Gal Vorbak for sure. Their Saturnine are cool too.

>>97651438
Shattered Legions with all 3 (actually pretty decent)

>>97651438
>>97651458
>>97651496
If you wanted to be real mean you could do a list of like 20 gal vorbak, 10 despoilers, and a mhara gal under a delegatus for ZM lol. Nowhere left to run, nowhere left to hide

>>97651542
>mhara gal
have fun with Signal Influx, that one can even fuck normal termies

>my midhammer tactical squad is technically rules legal, but would be incredibly anachronistic cause they’re painted as Ultras
So close…

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The AL did not have a good time here

>>97651663
>Spit-roasted by dreadnoughts
Oof, can't slither their way out of that one.

>>97651663
>fighting fatasses in the wide corridors instead of the narrow ones
hmn

>>97650930
>Codex Armoris
I might be severely illiterate but I'll try my best anon

>>97651271
>theories terminator suits
I honestly don't remember where I heard this but, the terminator armor was supposed to become the standard armor, but this never happened because of the Heresy

Please anons, anyone with a scan of the Skitaari journal?

>>97651663
>and they shall know one fear

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I like Alpha Legion and want to read the "Council of Truth" story in Blood of the Emperor. However, it is written by Mike Brooks. How woke is it? Is it full of ender shit and typical Brook-isms?

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>>97650355
>>97650389

>>97650805
No. I'm sorry. The only way to get them is from the Legion Pistols list, and Destroyers get theirs from an option on their datasheet, not from the Legion Pistols List u.u

>>97651663
I think Lernean would've had a chance. I may be wrong, but I do believe it. +1 to wound, no?

>>97651772
White dwarf 304 but it gets referenced by something else too.

>>97651863
Lewdest hilt i've ever seen. He 100% date-raped Fulgrim with it, as the old lore suggests.

>>97651863
>Want to play Alpha Legion
>They're now Tranny-coded due to Shite Dooks writing
Grim.
Dark, even.

Just finished Praetorian of Dorn. Is Alpharius actually dead? His death seemed to be lacking all the fireworks a Primach's death is accompanied by and it doesn't really like a great end to his character tbhon

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>>97652180
You're a little late but welcome to the Imperial Fists wank era. Like Matt Ward Ultrasmurfs but even gayer.

>>97652180
>is Alpharius actually dead?
Yes.
No.
Maybe.
Welcome to Alpha Legion.

>>97652258
>Yes.
>No.
>Maybe.
I don't knoooow

>>97652243
>Rebel pilot helmet
kek what a fag

>>97652180
One of them is likely dead, the other one is likely alive since old lore had Gulliman be unsure. Maybe if the Scouring gets around to the event we’ll know for sure.

>>97652180
Didn't the slain guy, I refuse to believe it's Alp/Ome, say something like "Brother..." before Dorn lopped his bonce off? Could have just been playing on his resemblance ro Alp/Ome

>>97652180
It only has to have half the fanfare of a usual Primarch death because there's two of them.

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>>97652243
What's with people having to display spurious nonsense like it establishes them as some super nerd instead of a retard with no sense of value?

>>97650592
Some anons really hate fun, huh?

I’m not sure if this has come up before, but I’d like some help with figuring out parts of the lore for Titan Legios, the Mechanicum, and the Questoris Knight Houses. Lemme explain.

I’m currently hammering out a 30k/40k homebrew faction (TL;DR: the temporally displaced last few colonies of the United Nations that are basically the T’au, but humans, not ontologically evil, have no caste system, not racist as shit, and not governed by theocractic fascists). I’ve already gone ahead and paired them with a bunch of Blackshields from the III, IV, VIII, XV, XVII, and XX legions (again, long story shorter: these Blackshields saw what was happening with the Heresy and decided that, since nobody on either side wanted to swallow their pride and actually talk things out like fucking adults, the Blackshields would leave the Imperium and take as many civilians/stranded Auxila with them as possible, join with my homebrew faction, and pivot to civic duty instead of warfare), but I also want to add a Mechanicum faction (with attendant Titan Legio and Questoris house) to their side for extra flavor.

My questions are thus:

—Are there lore examples of Mechanicum factions basically becoming Blackshields? What about Titan Legios and Questoris Houses?

—Am I overreaching by adding said Mechanicum faction?

As to why I’m asking here instead of the homebrew general…well, I’d get a straighter answer by asking here rather than there.

>>97652951
There are Titan Leigo Blackshields and Knight Blackshields (plus Freeblades but that's another thing) yes.

>Gonna be raining for four days straight
I WANNA PAINT MY NEW MODELS NOT THESE GAY-ASS OLD MODELS I BOUGHT THREE WEEKS AGO

>>97652243
what is his diOlect anyway?

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I randomly came across this pic and jesus christ those tiny civilians didn't stand a chance

>>97653068
elaborate for the benefit of everyone else in the class.

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>>97653115
>>97621985
the automata is question is bigger than expected

>>97653141
dang he big

>>97653141
>too lightly armed
Alright bligh who you think you're fooling those things were fucking terrorists bsck in 1st edition

>>97651931
RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>97652467
You can't possibly be so naive as to believe that. They had years at the head of a legion, even if you believed the line that they only came to it 25 years before the heresy, that's 25 years in which to simply clone themselves endlessly. Why wouldn't they? Who was going to stop them? There could be millions of the damn things out there. We know primarchs can be cloned, because it openly happens to at least two of them.

>>97652951
iirc the forgeworld that supported the thousand sons basically went blackshield during the heresy and didn't really support a side. There are also examples of blackshield titan legios and knight houses - legio tritonis and their home forgeworld declared independence after the heresy started and fought both loyalists and traitors, and parts of house aethergn just became indiscriminant raiders, to name a few.

For many mechanicum forge worlds integration into the imperium only happened a few centuries ago at most and many were thousands of years old, so it stands to reason they might just decide to return to operating independently and/or take advantage of the chaos to improve their position by expanding their influence.

>>97653060
norf

>>97653068
Are they the basis for Bloat Drones?

>>97654105
No, that's crazy.

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>>97652180
At least either Alpharius or Omegon is dead. Depending on who you believe.

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>>97649870
no I'm just a dumb bitch who forgot to upload the relevant picture from the Book
>>97650439
You're a dumb bitch who refuses to look at material from the Black books are only goes off of BL slop

>>97653382
>>97651931
>>97653382
they're available to Mortus Poisoners at an unbelievably low cost

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>>97654105
8th edition death guard codex suggests blight/bloat drones are daemon engine versions of the vultarax, yes.

>>97654318
Why would I want to give up panic?

>>97654318
Guess those have a point existing now. Used to be a case of why ever take mortus poisoners when destroyers get you twice the alchem flamer templates.

>>97654351
Panicked unit can regroup and turn around.
Dead units stay dead.

>>97654375
Neither flamers nor alchem are likely wiping a unit. The alchem will get more models but it's not going to be THAT dramatic.

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>>97654350
It's weird that while most Nurgle stuff is bloated versions of things, the drone is smaller than the non-Nurgle original.

>>97654351
why would you give up panic? you can literally just give one or two guys flamers

>>97654364
yeah destroyers weren't really balanced, they just had shit basic guns to make them cost a lot with good loadouts

none of the legacies units are balanced either but still

>>97653170
I mean, it says they were too lightly armed to fight against Titans. How they were in first edition?

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>>97650355
>Nu-mkIII armour with nu-mkVI beakie head

>>97651863
>Council of Troon

>>97654105
Yes FW made the bloats first and later reverse engineered the vulturax from them.

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>>97651772
Makes no sense terminator armour is too bulky and slow for common use, regular power armour is much more flexible.

>>97651592
what? post pic

>>97653392
>Why wouldn't they?
Nobody is more paranoid than a schemer. Would they dare trust a clone? Would they dare trust him with the task of engaging Dorn, especially? One could easily argue no. While Primarchs have been cloned as far as I know none of them have cloned themself.
Also from a meta narrative perspective it's a great source of angst and potential character development for a twin to become an only child.

>>97652243
Liking a legion is fine and it being your favourite, sucking GWs cock no matter what is not.

Spoils of War and The Flesh is Weak stack, right? SoW removes Vanguard/Line and TFiW says you cannot benefit from it. TFiW makes you automata and immune to Pinned so you can loot without consequences. SoW doesn't forbid scoring points and TFiW changes scoring to based on the amount of bodies in the squad instead of vanguard/line. I don't see why they wouldn't work together.
I just have an idea of a renegade space force that invades Space Hulks to strip copper pipes out of them.

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Two tac squads ready to be based, excuse the poor lighting.

Squad Vorn

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>>97655106
And Squad Durso.

Have another twenty tacs to paint to bring these both up to twenty man squads.

What are you working on Anon?

>>97655109
Impulse purchased the siege detachment box at my LGS so am now currently assembling that and the spare 20 Mark 3 bodies I had on a shelf

>>97655049
Is liking primarchs fine?

>>97655127
Sure.

>>97655221
he's a big guy

which Primarchs explicitly didn't get unreasonably butthurt about the Council of Terra existing like half the traitors did?

>>97655027
The argument was that for non Space Marine opponents terminator armour was very effective. But with the outbreak of the Heresy, it's Inflexibility became an issue.

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>>97655027
Go be wrong somewhere else.

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What armour marks are these fellows wearing? Are they kosher for HH?

>>97655681
They're basically unholy mix-and-match suits, just far more obvious and less blinged-up than 40k CSM. But the shape of those separate kneepads on the greaves with them is only something I've seen on Chaos Legionnaires specifically, maybe someone can correct me.

>Are they kosher

At the very least remove all MkVII features. Would be best for Blackshields, but five in a box is pretty fucking rough.

>>97655681
>kosher
Hello schlomo

>>97655765
Wait do they not come in a 10 man box?

>>97655681
top left
CSM/mkVI pauldrons
unknown backpack probably VI
arms VI
right leg implied mkIII (can't tell without seeing the back)
left leg implied mkVI (but could be III lacking the knee)
mkVI boots

top right
mkIII backpack
CSM pauldrons
CSM/mkVII or mkVI arms
implied mkVII chest (concealed power cabling, no MkX boob armour)
right thigh MkII or MkIII (old-style with the flanged rings)
right greave implied MkIII "kneeless", which may be intended to be MkX when Chaos Primaris eventually hit, though it (again) lacks a knee or the characteristic flange or the saboton over the boot
right foot MkIII (compare various DG/MkIII suits over the years)

centre
CSM/Anvillus backpack
mkVII helm
CSM pauldrons
mkVII chest
CSM/MkVI/VII arms
MkIII booties
MkIII left leg
MkVI right leg

lower right
MkVI or MKVII (interchangeable in 40k terms, may even be MkVIII) backpack
one weirdly small CSM pauldron (possibly MkX stealth originally)
one MkVI pauldron
MkVI/VII arms
MkVI chest
MkIII legs
MkVI boots

bottom right
MkIII pack
weird small pauldron
MkIII pauldron
MkIII chest, legs, feet
MkVI/VII arms

of all of them he's probably the easiest to reuse; depending on the back of his legs looking like MkIII, he would just be in MkIII, might make a nice NL squad leader or SH guy if you paint that skull gold and give him some normal pauldrons/arms

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How are the rules for allies in HH?
>wanted to get into HH some time ago, couldn't decide between Raven Guard (nobody around here plays that legion and I like them) and Solar Auxilia (nobody around here plays them at all) since I didn't want to start two full armies
>since I couldn't decide at the time and some other expenses came up I shelved playing the game for a time
>now that I have some cash again I thought of allies
Basically a mostly Solar Auxilia force and a small force of Raven Guard which I think would fit in with their post massacre fluff. Just a few snipers, jump pack guys, vigilator and maybe some terminators with lightning claws.

>>97655916
there's no getting in each other's rides, joining units of a different faction is (almost always) a -1 penalty to Ld/in/wp/cl, faction-specific stuff is very clear (and can prevent you using psychic powers and cybertheurgy on allies as before)

other than that it's much less restrictive, basically soup as long as your allies are no more than 50% of your points and have the right detachments (ie anything that doesn't have a slot in the Allied Detachment needs a Command choice to unlock its own section)

>>97655916
They're not bad. My only complaint is that I feel like I can't get it quite the way I want list wise. I also cannot get a straight answer on whether or not unique characters can be taken in an allied detachment using special assignment. At my LGS, it seems to be so.

I wonder when Macrotek will allow outsiders to ride their transports. Mechanicum subfactions should also not cause -1 ld when attached to each other

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>>97655810
Supposedly. I cannot find any details on solo releases in the GW webstore or anything but Auspex Tactics claimed it was the case, up to and including pricing. In fives does seems in-line with nu-40k handling specialist infantry, being like an alternative to Chosen that infiltrates. Anyway, comparing to Heresy doing 20-man boxes, perhaps it may be best to wait and see if we get either nu-MkIV or MkV to mash up with MkVI. Some people already do this with CSM Legionnaires in 40k. Up to you.

>>97655916
There is no longer an allies matrix, but funny interactions through the likes of different Rites of War and Warlord traits from the previous edition aren't a thing anymore, so no 'loyalist' AL meatshields or RG Liberation Force. Nearly everyone can get inherent access to automata in some manner while marines and knights can get certain Solar Auxilia units in without needing allies proper. SA themselves can replace a reaction with a unique one if allied into a certain legion.

You can technically have as many allies as you like, the only real consistency you gotta keep straight outside of the new FOC is the Loyalist/Traitor dichotomy as usual, and a Lord of War detachment may be from any faction if they make up less than 25% of your points budget. So you could have a Knight, or a Thunderhawk or Baneblade without much rhyme or reason.

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>>97656012
Is it just me or are space marines, primaris included, more zesty? Specifically the way GW poses them with a leg angled outwards.

>>97656207
Why do some of the whores have thigh high boots, two have fucking heels, and one has normal boots (probably the most sensible choice)

Thinking about starting a HH Mechanicum army, what do I need to know?

I bought a battleforce and some Thallax back when they got realesed but never started building them.

I think I have an Arch Magos, 20 Tech thralls, two Castellax, 18 Thallax and a Triarius transport thingy.

What to add to bring it to 2000points?

>>97656012
The red corsairs battleforce had only 5, so it might be right, but what a shitty deal.

>>97652951
>I’m currently hammering out a 30k/40k homebrew faction (TL;DR: the temporally displaced last few colonies of the United Nations that are basically the T’au, but humans, not ontologically evil, have no caste system, not racist as shit, and not governed by theocractic fascists). I’ve already gone ahead and paired them with a bunch of Blackshields from the III, IV, VIII, XV, XVII, and XX legions (again, long story shorter: these Blackshields saw what was happening with the Heresy and decided that, since nobody on either side wanted to swallow their pride and actually talk things out like fucking adults, the Blackshields would leave the Imperium and take as many civilians/stranded Auxila with them as possible, join with my homebrew faction, and pivot to civic duty instead of warfare), but I also want to add a Mechanicum faction (with attendant Titan Legio and Questoris house) to their side for extra flavor.

Oh wow cool, I'd love to have my RPG character visit. His name is Cool J. "Badass" Donutsteel, he's a ninja-cyborg-assassin-priest who's best friends with Robute Guilliman but totally doesn't buy into all that silly religious stuff(he believes in the old Imperial Truth, which Robute told him about because he was so impressed with his badass swordskills). Also he uses xenoweapons and has a band of elite alien and renegade human mercenaries who're like pirates and stuff who go around helping ordinary people rise up against their baddie masters, but they're like the A-Team and the dumb heckin' theocratic fascist Imperium can never catch them 'cos they're stupid and dumb hah.

Seriously though, fucking kill yourself.

>>97655681
>What armour marks are these fellows wearing?
Yes.
>Are they kosher for HH?
No.

Oh dear.
I seem to be falling in love with Heresy-era Alpha Legion :(

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>>97656438
WELCOME HYDRABRO!
I asked in 40kg, asking here too. Anyone know a decent recaster who makes this alpha legion chaos dreadnought? I want it for my 1st ed AL Zone Mortalis force.

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>>97647132
Monday. Ill try get one next monday, wednesday and thursday (and have three lined up for saturday at an event).

It was a great game too, really solid slugging match vs dark angels right up till the end when my praetor and his night raptors sealed me a decisive win. I really underestimated blade of the order on terranic GS.

>>97655916
"OP".

Theyre very "free", so if you put your mind to it you can basically minmax to your hearts content. But theres also obviously some fun things you can do.

The SA even have some special rules clearly intended to work as allies for their respective legions, ranging in power from "arguably OP" (alpha legion, white scars) to "not very good" (word bearers)

>>97655106
>>97655109
Traitor XIXth?

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>>97656545
Interemptors are also really nasty when they just drop on you from the sky. You can joke about breaching 5+ all you want, but when youre getting 4/5 hits per dude who cares? If my raptors and tactical vets werent able to respond in time that would have been game for the dark angels right then and there I think.

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>>97656592
Its a shame the terror squad (and the attached centurion, who was the one I really expected to do something) did so poorly into the deathwing companions. But I suppose thats both to be expected and entirely lore accurate.

Its kinda funny, out of game/to the opponent I kept egging that engament on and calling him a coward for pulling the companions back. And then they turn around and do that shit.

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>>97655109
tired as fuck, hasn't done anything since the dread

>>97655109
>What are you working on Anon?
4 rapiers.
10 tacticals
5 raptors.

>>97656678
Fuck thats a clean sword.

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Has anyone tried this paint scheme?

>>97656678
Looks like a geisha, also that sword fucks

>>97656639
As a DAfag myself I can confirm deathwing companions are bullshit. That eternal warrior rule is so impactful, it's ridiculous.

>>97656757
Yea. Dude attached an apothecary there too, for added fun times (mind you I may have given him the idea, but still).
very nasty unit, took several laser destroyer volleys and remained operational.

Eternal warrior didnt really matter vs the terror squad though, it was just Ws4 Ap3 vs Ws5 2+ save dudes. I really needed a status there to stand a chance I think.

>>97656768
Yea terror squads are better at bullying lesser units, not going toe to toe with elite units.

>>97656781
Yea. Running them into DA terminators and Companions has not seen them do very well. But it is what it is, there werent too many good targets for them that game anyways (only really tactical squads, and I wasnt getting to those realistically).

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>>97655109
Pondering which variant of the WE scheme I should do on the second fellblade for my EA 30k armoured company. It will still be blue on white but I'm not sure if I'm going to make him company commander so I'm going to add brass accents or if I'm going to let the guy with the binoculars be just some guy. The first fellblade is just the FW page scheme.

Fellblade or Falchion?>

>>97656878
Fellblade.

>>97656878
Glaive.

>>97656878
Personally i like the Felblade more then the falchion, but you have to play as a bully when you use the fellblade, you wanna get up in their guts and be aggressive so you can get your demo canon in range along with your main gun.

The problem i have with the falchion is that some times it will just miss, its really hard to miss a vehicle target with the felblade.

>>97652951
You might as well make up your own altsetting at this point.

>>97652951
This all sounds mega-cringe. Omni-cringe, even.

>>97656878
Fellblade

>>97656878
I also advise going with Las destroyers on the side not las canon arrays.

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>>97656878
Falchion. Purely because I'm partial to that StuG Lyfe.

>>97656931
This. Lascannons suck, even if you have half a dozen of them ;__;

>>97656984
The spartan/superheavy lascannons are fine. Lascannons in general are also fine, theyre just not "heavy AT"

>>97656984
No they are fine on the felblade because its a super heavy so it always counts as standing still, so they do 4 damage a pop, the thing is, you are gonna wanna be getting in close anyway with the felblade so the shorter range on the Las destoyers is a non issue.

The las destroyers and the las canon arrays do the same damage its just a matter of Do you want S10 at a shorter range with fewer shots and more damage per shot? or S9 at a larger range with more shots but fewer damage?

>>97656990
Lascannon array and laser-destroyer array have the exact same number of shots.

>>97656990
>>97657009
Yea, youre just picking between R36 S10 or R48 S9

>>97657009
Oh right so they do, i knew they had the same damage numbers at the end of the day though.

Either way i prefer the las array because im going vehicle hunting i wanna beable to fuck them up.

>>97656878

Fellblade

Mostly because out of all the SM units in ligma its the most likely to fell a titan. Shadowsword it aint but that forced reroll helps.

>>97657084
Really? Fellblades do more than falchions vs titans in ligma?

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>>97656987
>theyre just not "heavy AT"
Any AT that isn't "heavy AT" is simply not AT
>>97657009
Oh right. So in the superheavy's case it's R48" S9 vs R36" S10. I think 36" range is enough

>>97657132
>Any AT that isn't "heavy AT" is simply not AT
Thats simply not true. Lighter vehicles like rhinos and predators absolutely exist, as do things like automata and walkers (and heavy infantry).

>>97657141
Or to put it another way:

Two laser destroyer rapiers are MUCH superior at killing vehicles (of all sorts) to a quad lascannon predator. However the quad lascannon predator is more efficient into 4W targets (like automata), has a range advantage (allowing it to safely engage the laser rapiers) and is much more durable. It will also do reliable damage (if not realistically lethal) to any non AV14 vehicles.

10 man lascannon HSS are still incredible all rounders, even if they do very little to AV14.

>>97657141
>Lighter vehicles like rhinos and predators absolutely exist
Yes, and at BS4 you need 6 of those "valid" antitank to kill a single Rhino. Stationary. Move and you need ~12
If you need a dozen of something to kill a Rhino, then you should use something different to kill said Rhino.
Like a Magna laser, which has the added benefit of also killing Land Raiders.

Vindicators are alright

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>>97657122

well actually thinking about it a falchion might be better for Warlord titans given their massive void shields.

the Falchions neutron wave cannon is 2 dice, 4+ to hit, AP-3 with accurate and shock pulse. Shock pulse wipes off 2 layers of void shield compared with 1.

The Fellblade's accelerator cannon is 2 dice, 4+ to hit, AP -3 with armourbane that forces a reroll on any successful saves.

>>97657171
>Yes, and at BS4 you need 6 of those "valid" antitank to kill a single Rhino. Stationary.
Okay? Thats a realistic number of lascannon shots to throw at things.

>>97657171
>Like a Magna laser, which has the added benefit of also killing Land Raiders.
At the cost of being shorter range (which is bad because it still doesent want to move) and being nowhere near as effective into softer targets, because that terminator or veteran doesent care if youre damage 6 or 12 or 2.

Vindicator laser destroyers are, rightly, much better at blowing up tanks than predator annihilators. They are however near worthless into everything else, while a predator can credibly deal with light vehicles (or even chip in on damage on heavier ones) while also being able to go into more varied targets without being worthless.

>>97657304
NTA but i mean, if you are not playing on planet bowling ball, the vindicator is better. The reality is, you dont need 48" LoS that a las canon provides if you dont have a shit table.

>>97657254
cute lil dudes

>>97656878
Felchblade

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>>97656878
gotta be the falchion

a vindicator is strictly better than a predator

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>>97657334
I think I play on reasonably dense terrain tables (at least I hope so, I set up the terrain that last game >>97656592), but I have often found my laser destroyers out of range (especially turn 1). Having nothing longer than 36" range really does hurt, especially going into people with things like autocannons or lascannons.

The point at which you dont/cant have firing lanes longer than 36" feels like the point at which you probably have enough terrain to make melee the only real option. (or barrage weapons, I guess). Because you probably have enough terrain to make 36" not really realistic as a full sightline either.

>>97657381
At what?

>>97657369
That land raider is about to have a bad day hah

>>97657402
looks like planet bowlingball to me

>>97657402
>Having nothing longer than 36" range really does hurt,
sure on platforms that can only move 6"
But the felblade moves a lot fucking futher then 6" plus is stable and gets the full effect.

I want to "Chaos-ify" my AT Titans and Knights. I've the Titan planned but questions for the Chaos Knights.
Would the Questoris Knights be compatible in size with parts from the old Possessed kit? Want to give them fire shooting arms, claw arms, tentacle arms and so on + daemon heads so thinking of some of the daemonic looking domes from the Possessed kit.
Also, would Daemonette claws fit on Cerastus Knight's arms without looking too big?

>>97657416
Does that term mean something other than what it implies it means?


>>97657417
Oh, im not talking about the fellbade. But more generally "lascannons" and I guess specifically in the context of predators/laser destroyer rapiers and vindicator laser destroyers.

>>97655810
They’re an elite Chaos Marine unit, elites in 40k come in 3 or 5 unit boxes.

>>97655681
Its a shame they come in 5 man boxes. I wanted to use them for my despoilers.

>>97657459
they are 5 for 65?

>>97657480
Theyre 5 for however much they end up charging per box.

>>97655681
They are perfect for 30k, you just need different shouder pouldrons

>>97657480
They’re supposed to be comparable to the Chosen box which is 5 for 65. It would be a safe bet.

>>97657540
>>97657480
wow you guys are really getting hammered by your tarriffs huh, they're 20% more expensive for you than in ol blighty

incredible, sterling work everyone, here's ten bucks, go out and buy an egg for the family to celebrate on

>>97656334
Mind, some units told in tens are also sometimes bundled in fives instead, like the Hellblasters with the last Space Marines Battleforce, but their newer head upgrades in there probably wasted the same space for another five.

>>97656438
>I seem to be falling in love with Heresy-era Alpha Legion :(
Happens.

>>97657858
DESU this is not really a tariff thing this has always been GW prices, its even worse with resin.
I mean FFS 20 man tac squad in us is like 80 bucks and been that way since launch of the 20 man boxes.
its just GW wanting to fucking jew us.
Mk 4 tactical box 89 usd
Mk 3 tactical box 80 usd
Mk 2 tactical box 90 usd
Mk 6 tactical box 89 usd.

Are the extra weapon options of Veteran Tactical Squads make them a worthwhile option over just bringing more Tactical Squads? I’ll probably build/paint both eventually, but I’m being very economical starting out.

>>97658710
If you just need someone to jump onto points for points? No.

Veteran tacticals are capable of "brawling", but theyre fundamentally not going to be much different to regular tacticals in the face of true elites, and theyre not as efficient at standing in your backfield getting VP.

The advantage of tactical vets is (if you have the slots) that theyre a lot more durable for the model count/pts, allowing you to contest hot objectives (and in a battle of small arms theyre rather nice).

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>>97657402
It is my opinion, but I'm not sure being able to view your enemy's spawn is a healthy thing.
Cover is not enough; you need actual line-of-sight blockers, and fact is you guys can see from one edge all the way to the other. One or two lanes is workable, but you got multiple directions, and exposing the deployment zones of all things.
It may not look like, but that *is* planet Bowling Ball. You can play on straight city streets but you could add a collapsed building here and there to block city-spanning sight lanes.

>>97658750
>you need actual line-of-sight blockers
Line of sight blockers or capped ranges?

>>97658710
Yes, the BS 5 really makes things like combi-weapons or even some special or heavy weapons very worthwhile. Lets them have an actual impact, rather than only stand on an objective with their dick in their hand praying nothing notices them like tactical squads have to do.

>>97658829
Not that anon but.
LOS blockers, because it then makes cooler looking boards range caps are gay and homo.

>>97658858
Thats kind of what im getting at. Maybe I dont understand the game enough to know why its wrong, but my understanding of cover is that its meant to provide a means to hide while moving. So the issue isnt "you can see far down certain lanes" (a necessity for ranged weapons to be useful) but "you cannot avoid those lanes".

If you can play around the sightlines of the enemy on the approach then you have enough cover. But that could be naive and maybe theres meant to be a lot more to it than that.