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>>97846043
Reposting this one last time, in case anyone interested missed my OC donut steel.
https://litter.catbox.moe/jqfd7o81kd375iwx.pdf

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>>97846095
It's pretty cool.

>>97846095
I like it. Unfortunately i'm running a pre-empire game so can't include it in my game right now.
Who do they bully / get bullied by?

>>97846837
Well, as is said in the rest of the doc, they are basically on the edge of war with Zsinj all the time. They also have trouble with their own rebel cells. They do bully hutt/other criminal elements a lot though.

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Coming up with a clone wars adventure for my group. I was doing some background digging on the separatists and it turns out there was a faction of warrior-like (but anti-deathwatch) mandalorians that openly supported the CIS. I think it would be cool to have this plot for a mini adventure:
>GAR gets intelligence that the CIS are developing a new war droid more capable than any they've built so far
>GAR tasks the party (a group of advanced recon commandos) to confirm the intelligence and find out more on CIS planet <planet-name>
>party drops in and infiltrates CIS intelligence building
>find a suspicious amount of intel on the history of the Mandalorian Wars and how they conducted warfare
>party is likely to assume this is just because clones were trained by Jango so it's just opposition-research.
>intel starts to focus more on the equipment the mandalorians used - including their vehicles and droids
>intel leads the party to an experimental production facility where party begins to encounter actual mandalorian super commandos
>eventually they learn that the mandalorians are helping then CIS to manufacture a new line of the ancient mandalorian war machines known as basilisk war droids
>facility is about to go into mass-production
>party must destroy or cripple the facility or risk the basilisk war droids becoming major threat to the GAR.
>party fights or infiltrates to key parts of the facility to plant explosives
>final boss is the party must fight the mandalorian in charge, riding a fully functional basilisk war droid
>party kills boss, exfiltrates, and blows the facility
Thoughts? Good plot or shitty plot?

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Those cartoon cops are certainly lacking aquilla on their chest plates

Guaranteed replies

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>>97847145

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The new Darth Maul show isn’t that great. Doesn’t even seem like Star Wars and who the fuck is this megamind fish character? Star Wars peaked with BB.

40k a shit. I'm playing Legion now. Thinking about starting a rebel alliance army. Are they still the least played faction?

>>97848113
Its called good writing. Something a chud like you wouldn't understand.

>>97848251
Technically Shadow Collective is the least played faction, though its just a collection of neutral units you can play together. Otherwise yes Rebels are the least popular

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>>97848251
Technically, yes - picrel. But they are the 2nd best faction after CIS.

>>97848262
What’s as so good about the writing? Also I am right wing but not a Chud.

>>97846095
I would want to see the pages with your minis (instead of AI), your minis look great.

>>97848113
The apprentice is the only thing that's interesting so far, but even then it's all far fetched so far. Maul had a vision, what's wrong with a chance encounter?

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>>97848491
I REALLY hope we get these motherfuckers for the Shadow Collective, but Disney aren't brave enough.

>>97845987
>TQ:
One of my characters that tends to keep showing up is a Hutt Jedi character i made. I call him "Taashik The Hutt" (As a reference to Shaak Ti, mostly because i keep killing him.) Generally, the idea is that he was a Jedi who got kicked out of the order after trying to control crime, rather than stop it. Used his connections to get enough capital to make his own cartel, then faked his death.

He now runs a bunch of illicit businesses out of Nar Shaaddaa, mostly Piracy, Racketeering, Gambling, Arms Dealing and he partakes in a bit of slave trading (Although it's mostly a means of looking for force sensitive kids to train as enforcers)

He's a fun character to play, but i keep killing him for dramatic effect. This last game i ran was a Stormtrooper game and the party was backing up Jerec in his hunt for a Jedi. Jerec sicced Boc on him, while the party took care of his enforcers.

>>97849526
Thank God you aren't in charge of writing anything

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Some leftist was saying Omega doesn’t look like Jango and I responded with this picture of Boba; ngl he is pretty cute now that I think about it.

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RAAAGHHH I HOPE THIS REVENGE PLOT ON SIDIOUS DOESN'T BLOW UP IN MY FACE AGAIN

>>97850432
Is this how the Hutts acquire new Twi'leks?

>>97850870
daniel logan said that omega looks like one of his sisters or something

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>>97850870
LMAO

>>97850873
Maul not being dead is probably the thing that made me realize I would never again care about the overall plot or canon of Star Wars.

Post-Palpatine Somehow Returning, it's actually kind of quaint.

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>>97850873
>maul goes so deep in the surface-level Sith teachings that his all-consuming quest for revenge results in repeated beatdowns by a superior Sith lord, multiple humiliations by the guy who cut him in half, and finally culminates in getting BTFO'd Kurosawa-style by the single guy in the galaxy he hates more than anything else, who has also become his sole raison d'etre
Unironically kino. A new age Sisyphus.

Stumbled across Tachyon Squadron for FATE (and some plebbit homebrew), and I am very much thinking about using it to run a starfighter campaign. It's been ages since I interfaced here, and I remember one of the biggest issues people had with the FFG games was the dogshit rules for dogfights. Has anyone experimented with Tachyon Squadron? The game looks like might be the best rules for dogfighting that I've ever seen, and it's really gotten me jazzed to potential run something in the Star Wars setting again.

The entire encounter system looks (and from a quick demo plays) amazingly smoothly, but I wonder if anyone else has played around with this before, or structured an entire game focused around a Rebel squadron ala Rogue Squadron. Or the alternative, with the players taking the role of the pilots stationed aboard an ISD or some Imperial outpost if you're a degenerate that runs for groundhogs.

Also, wtf is with this shitty new captcha system. It's been literal years since I've been back to /tg/ and this shit is cancer.

>>97851072
The survival rate of Sith being chucked down bottomless pits is surprisingly high

>>97851574
Has anyone ever actually died from falling in Star Wars other than Mace Windu?

>>97851574
Well, death is a concept invented by the Jedi. Palps couldn't even spell it.

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>>97849506
Since this is meant to be a "40k codex-like" type of intro, I did consider adding a mini gallery of sorts. I imagine it would have a layout kind of like the estates page, with a picture + little lore blurb for each one.

Plus, Raal/Vesh/Kleona/Drace don't have proper minis yet, so AI is still needed.

>>97850873
>7 hallway scenes
Fuck I am only now noticed that each of the new cartoon episode have one with absolutely zero tension built-up but with EPIC CHOIR.

Remember when Zeb raped Ezra on top of the Ghost

>>97851811
In the hot, hot summer of BBY 19?

>>97851722
Those droids are peak.

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>>97851164
I've heard the Sisyphus link before and I like it. Really fits Star Wars' Greco-Roman trappings and the idea that the Dark Side fucks you up in the end. Has there actually been any Darksider that gets a good ending?
>Maul gets BTFO repeatedly
>Plagueis gets killed in his sleep before his plan is realised
>Dooku gets played like a chump
>Vader rejects the dark side to get his happy ending
>Sidious makes a stupid blunder, gets blindsided and throws away 1000 years of Sith planning
>Every Inquisitor dies brutally, and some are also betrayed by the Empire/Vader

>>97852410
No.
That’s the point. The Dark side is a quick and easy path, but it’s a path of inevitable self destruction. And never really matching what can be accomplished by achieving balance with the force (the light).

>>97852410
Sheev is probably the closest to a sith happy ending. And we see that once a sith achieves the ultimate power, they get bored and lazy, not even bothering to use the full extent of what they have achieved.

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>>97852410
you could argue TCW bounty hunter ventress did as she was still a darksider during that point, it wasn't until dark disciple that she properly started to go more grey

but that's not the end of her story so i'd say it doesn't count

>>97852460
>path of inevitable self destruction
pretty sure it's also aqpplies to jedi but under different premise

Would you guys recommend getting into Shatterpoint or Legion?
>Shatterpoint
I've heard some people call it "dead", I don't really care about that, since I'll never be playing at events or anything like that, I'll be playing with friends at home. I don't like the idea of having to create larger scale scenery just for the game, and I feel like it might be somewhat exhausting never actually killing any models. However, I love the minis and the game seems like fun.
>Legion
I think the game is a bit too large scale for me, I'd rather play a skirmish game, but one with a few more models than Shatterpoint. Is there any mode like that for Legion? I've seen "Recon", which is just 600 point games AFAIK, and I don't know if the game translates to that smaller scale effectively. Also I dislike table clutter, is there a way of playing the game without using (so many) counters and shit on the table? Like putting them beside the unit cards or something?
>Both games
Do the different characters feel like they're powerful in each game? I feel like it would be weird playing Vader and not killing some random rebel troopers, droids, or whatever in a single attack (speaking specifically about Shatterpoint), and that could take you out of the game, thematically speaking.

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>>97853432
I'm a legionfag, so I am clearly biased, but I can try to answer.

>Recon
I'll be real with you, it's kinda ass. The proper, 1000 point mode is infinitely more tactically sophisticated. Its main purpose is to teach beginners the basics of the game.

>Table clutter
It is possible, but you'll need to mark your units and keep the card side very clean, and will probably have to answer a lot of basic questions from your opponents. Most players place the tokens by the units, as it is the quickest way to identify the game state.

>Do the characters feel powerful
I feel it is fairly well balanced. Characters vary vastly, from shitty officers that only really generate tokens and command cards, all the way up to blenders like Vader, Bad Batch, Anakin or Grievous. However, there are ways of bogging your big bad force wielder down. If a shitty rebel trooper unit has a couple of dodge tokens, 1 guy will likely survive a Vader attack. But there are ways of playing around it, eg. Force push. Most characters in Legion are very fluffy, made in the way as to reflect them in lore, command cards usually reflecting something cool they did on the screen.

On the other hand, I heard that almost nothing ever dies in shatterpoint, with opportunities for getting up aplenty. Do you like flow charts?

>>97854084
What does the Aurabesh say?

>>97854126
First 3 lines are translated in in english, top right.
The items are just random invo stuff. Repulosr Throwing Razors, Mule Droid, Custom declaration, and the bottom is a Hal Hutta bounty Hunter creed.

"This bounty hunter acts under the jurisdiction and conventions formed by the governing bodies of Nal Hutta, Nar Shaddaa, And all eminent domain of the Great Hutt Cartel."

>>97852825
Not really. Jedi are more capable of introspection and self reflection. Which means they are more likely to recognize when they are developing toxic behavior, and have the incentive and discipline to correct it.

>>97853432
I play Shatterpoint so might be useful counterweight to the other guy.

Shatterpoint captures the skirmish feeling very well even though models rarely get removed permanently from the board. It certainly is a culture shock from other wargames, but it makes sense as characters are fighting across the battlefield, forcing each other to retreat, force pulling them or force pushing them away. Your main characters will almost always be doing the heavy lifting, and the "supports" such as B1s or Stormtroopers are more representative of the influx of troops flowing in. A large footprint, but typically can't overcome plot armour. Overall, I believe it also captures the spirit of Star Wars.
Obviously as a dice game you do get some pretty ridiculous situations arising from randomness. You could get Dengar somehow hold his ground against two big attacks from Anakin Skywalker. Or R2 ramming Vader off a catwalk. As long as you can square those extreme moments away then you're fine.
You do pretty much need to build the propietary terrain to get the specific different levels, and a good board needs quite a lot of it. However once it gets going the game looks nice, the terrain rules are intuitive and the levels factor into the gameplay in a way that few other games capture well.

And the game is fun. We've had many of our club regulars buy in since you only need two boxes and you can get going. The games are relatively quick but engaging, and have not felt repetitive even after countless games now (despite the samey missions). There's a surprising depth to it.
My two major concerns are
>Balance. Some models/keywords just completely outclass others. Apparently there will be a balance pass soon but history has taught me to be skeptical.
>The missions all broadly are the same. They are all about capturing static points and either you give them meaning yourself with terrain or they're just nondescript markers. This is a problem with wargaming in general though.

>>97854809
>Jedi
>self reflection
Quite opposite.
That's what I meant behind "different premise"

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>>97851581
>implying Mace won't be revived in the future as a cyborg badass saving Jedi from the Purge

>>97851581
>>97855870
Was Windu's corpse ever found?
Did a novel or comic ever show him landing and dying?

>>97855870
>>97856621
Did he have enough hate? You can survive anything if you have enough hate in your heart.

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Random question but does anyone have an overhead view of the Nar Kreeta Mission from Jedi Knight Jedi Academy? I wanna steal the mission for a campaign I'm running for a group of friends

>>97857383
Try to look wikis. Somehwere must be a blueprint of the level.

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>not making cute star wars characters to be damsel in distresses for your party to rescue

>>97857634
I’m not a gay faggot who plays chicks

>>97846095
What AI you used?

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>>97858159
It was a dual process. For almost all of the chars, the design process went something like this:
>the initial character pitch was with ChatGPT, as it makes more interesting poses, and tends to do this smooth semi-realistic style
>take the initial picture into Gemini, where it fixes the messed up faces, hands, and makes the whole design more star wars-accurate
>plop it into a background remover
And done. Some other things to consider:
>The Dark trooper was just made by reposing and recoloring a canon picture with Gemini
>The fleet pic was me asking Gemini to combine a picture of Raxus Secundus and an allegiance battlecruiser + the patterns I wanted
>You have to avoid words like "Moff", "Stormtrooper", "Mandalorian", "Mando", because both bots will think you're trying to steal money from Disney if you don't. Luckily for me, "Novatrooper" was not on the forbidden words list

>>97858212
Well, you've done a damned good job of it. That Chiss looks like she could have come right out of one of the FFG Star Wars books.

>>97858212
Do you have them as single pics? I'll be blunt and request them for my NPC collection.

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>>97858450
Sure. I'll post them all in a few hours.
For now, you have Kleona'ten'safis, the cheerful chiss economist in the previous pic.

Next up, Moff Myla Obriss with the 412th Stormtroopers.

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>>97858450
Drace Kresyk, the cynical old man Death Watch veteran

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>>97858450
One of the Crimson Custodians

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>>97858450
Quel Tor Vesh, the skakoan scientist and the creator of Palace Empire's dark trooper program

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>>97858450
General Darius Raal, the leader of the 412th

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>>97858450
Cass Adrelle, Myla's best friend and intelligence chief

>>97858450
And that's about it. I don't suppose you want the dark trooper picture.

>>97858523
Should you share it for the rest of the class? What was the original prompt that you used to get this art style, before you put it through gemini i mean?

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>>97858212
Sure, why not. Here is the dark trooper pic as well.

>ChatGPT prompt
Here it is, the initial design for Kleona. Generating cute girls can be quite tricky, as it seems to be allergic to any sort of sexualised wording. I also find that AI loves lists, working much better than with continuous text.

I want you to generate an image to the following specifications:
- Chiss woman in a star wars setting
- pretty, in her late 20s, light pale blue skin, average build, fully red eyes, stylised hair with a bun
- Wearing an elegant and functional set of sci fi clothing. Black with silver trims and grey details.
- pose: looking at the camera with an eager smile. Standing straight, one finger raised like she's explaining something, the other hand holding a datapad
- full body picture
- style: stylised realistic
- Background - none, it should be a transparent PNG

>>97858641
Thank you.

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so whats the point of these guys?
red defense die and being forced to buy 2 heavy weapons makes them look like corp+
but infiltrate and independent says they should be rebel commandoes without sharpshooter

>>97859108
Their point is to be the apology for taking away Rebel Pathfinders. And to also let Empire players make some cool conversions

>>97859144
just a minor thing, but I hate how they are referred to as using stolen blasters when the A-280 is depicted as being a rebel weapon 90% of the time

>>97859159

Despite almost every piece of the rebel arsenal being described as stolen weaponry/vehicles/whatnot, we never see their blasters/x-wings/nebulon-bs/cr 90s in the hands of anyone but rebels.

>>97858501
>best friend is also intel chief
I spy a future counterintelligence state.

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Base-coated Sun Guard merc from Royal Guard and Snowtrooper.
A bit messed with the neck joints, so had to cut off backpack.

>>97853432
Well you've had replies from a Legionoid and a Shitterpoint goon, so it's time to hear the Good News about the original and best Star Wars tabletop game: WEG D6.

You're not interested in events and intend to play with friends, so the fact it's a "dead game"(ie, not subject to the whims of a corporation and requires you to put in the effort to get games) is irrelevant. All the rules are available online for free. It has no issues with smaller games, and in fact is interoperable with the WEG RPG which allows you to use the RPG chargen system to make custom characters and stat up any unit types you like from modern material that weren't around back in the day or stuff you've come up with yourself. No flood of chits, doodads, custom rulers, or proprietary dice to deal with just good old inches and D6s. Doesn't use unit cards so you're free to use whatever models you like - you could collect ancient 28mm scale metals from the 80's if you liked, or use Legion minis, or just 3D print everything, up to you.

Every single person I've convinced to play it over the years has enjoyed it and become a convert, the only reasons it's not still popular are the general laziness of the modern wargamer(if it's not Muh Supported they won't touch it) and the depressing shift towards "t-sport" tourneyshitter mentality where people want to play a genre of game intended for narrative scenario play like fucking Chess. And like I say, it's all free online(D6 Holocron has all the Miniatures stuff you'll want 2nd Edition, the Companion, and Imperial Entanglements for the core rules and branch out from there, any RPG stuff you can't find there is likely on starwarstimeline.net), so you lose nothing by giving it a go.

>>97860705
Pretty snazzy. I think I recall you posting the idea for this kitbash like a year ago. Do you think you'll have enough IRG heads for this whole project?
>>97860752
You sound like quite a self-important prick.

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>>97860377
>Blasters
Picrel, we see A280s in the Death Star II in RotJ at the start of the film.
>X-Wings
Realistically in the films the X-Wing is portrayed as just another scrappy fighter like the Y-Wing which was inferior to the TIEs, it was D6 that created the retconned canon that it's an elite secret Rebel fighter acquired in Fresia after the Empire tried to nationalize Incom.
>Nebulon-Bs
Fair enough, I think the retcon was good in this case
>CR-90s
These make sense since they're just generic ships, they aren't Rebel or Imperial but rather just common corvette models that have a large galactic presence. Specifically though the Tantive wasn't stolen, it was an actual Alderaanian diplomatic vessel as seen with its precursor, the Tantive III. Also it got destroyed after getting caught by Vader's fleet

>>97860806
>You sound like quite a self-important prick.
And you sound like a boy-buggering nonce who can't handle it when someone doesn't like his corporate mandolly game.

>>97860806
>Pretty snazzy. I think I recall you posting the idea for this kitbash like a year ago
Well I didn't had time for minis much. It also took time to find untouched Royal Guard box on E-bays.
>Do you think you'll have enough IRG heads for this whole project?
It's actually depends of what I want from them. Box contains only 4 heads, so I either stick to the 4 man squad and run them as Death Troopers count-as, or I go further, but using them as any other imperial unit wouldn't work with Sun Guard lore since they are supposed to be Echani warriors (heavily armored but still Echani), not slowpokes as Snowtroopers or Dark Troopers.

>>97850432
Zahn Consortium would work great as a Legion faction.

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>>97851983
>Ezra was born in 19 BBY

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Omega <3

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>>97861072
Who taught her that?

>>97859108
The point is to have a squad of fucking badasses to engage in '80s action hero fights

>>97861079
>>97861072
>>97861066
There better be no jars in her future you weird motherfucker

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>>97861398
Of course not

>>97861459
I could really go for some Mantell Mix right now.

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>>97861479
Same

>>97861505
What's her favorite ship from Mandalmotors?

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but what about 'meega's sister?

>>97862314
Same question: >>97862278

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>>97862314
I don’t even think about her. She is mean and not pretty or interesting. People comparing Omega doesn’t look like Jango but what about her sister?

Are there any decent resources for floorplans of Star Wars buildings?
I'm looking for a Chateaux-like structure, the kind rich nobles would own out in the mountains, for a Castle Wolfenstein-esq location in my game.

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>>97862430
>She is mean and not pretty
She just needs a hug.

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Do you guys like the disney Dark Troopers or do you prefer the older ones?

>>97860377
rebel equipment all being stolen was actually never canon, its an invention of the old WEG RPG
the star wars movies never actually explain where they get any of their stuff, except for the MC cruisers which are strongly implied to have been built by the mon cala themselves

>>97862590
Count Dookus lair in Dark Rendezvous is described like that

>>97862765
I remember from the EU that the MC Cruisers were always Mon Cala designed cruise liners converted for war. Raddus' ship, Profundity was meant to look like a cruder, earlier attempt at retrofit with the big band in the middle.

>>97862802
given that it was the only thing that was ever given an official explanation, they were wise enough not to try and retcon that
but the MCs being built in secret was a WEG invention, since the movies obviously dont have a reason for that to ever be brought up

>>97862703
I kinda like these bad boys. Big hulking humanoid war machines that smash meatbags are always going to be cool. I can't say I really know much about the EU Dark Troopers other than that they existed, and that thanks to multiple (somewhat conflicting) appearances in different works they followed a general path of cyborg -> fully machine.

>>97862703
I like the Disney Dark troopers.
Death troopers kinda replaced the old Dark troopers and im ok with it.

>>97853595
every day, I keep wishing for a new RPG thats closer to legion and shatterpoint
FFG RPG is still stewing in an unholy mix of lore including WEG and force unleashed

automatic weapons just throwing a ton of inaccurate white dice instead of being fully automatic blaster rifles with only a few penalty dice to balance out double or triple the damage

>>97861066
>>97861072
>>97861079
Wrong board

>>97863385
I never really looked at Death Troopers as an equivalent to the old part cyborg Dark Troopers.

But OTOH the EU Dark Trooper thing was one of the cooler superweapon projects the EU came up with.
Even if it never made sense that they'd first go to cyber up some troopers, only to replace the whole program wirth droids later.
And maybe they explained that, but it's been decades since I played Dark Forces.

>>97862703
Visual-wise they are fine.
But that's all positive you can say about them because Filoni will never let them shine on screen.

>>97862703
I preferred the gunmetal finish of the EU ones over the shiny black but the shapes and all that aren't bad

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>went through order 66
>ended up on dathomir after
How many jedi would end up sane after that?

>>97864272
>How many jedi would end up sane after that?
Depends who wrote the said jedi.
Also, I would really like game like Jedi Survivor but with more dialogues and choices tied to karma system simmiliar to Metro games, but with more options and consequences durring walkthrough, Like always acting as textbook jedi would eventually lead you to facing Inquisitor and then dying to Vader, or slowly developing character into more selfish renegade person.

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>>97862703
Like all Disney Imperial designs, too polygonal and kinda dumb. But tbf I also don't love the EU Dark Troopers except Phase 0 which I think are perfect
>>97862765
It's actually the opposite. The movies imply that until RotJ with the Mon Cala the Rebellion uses scrapyard fighters and other crap they can salvage, they don't have any production capabilities. D6 GAVE the Rebels more power by making ships like the X-Wing and A-Wing exclusive to them and giving them custom tanks and stuff
>>97863385
Death Troopers are kinda lame imo. They have an interesting design but end up being way more boring than old EU troopers like Storm Commandos.

>>97864512
>The movies imply that until RotJ with the Mon Cala the Rebellion uses scrapyard fighters and other crap they can salvage
the closest we get to an origin is that the Y-wing used to have beauty panels but were removed for ease of maintenance
the CR90 being an ambassador ship was retconned to be more refuge in audacity rather than a plausible cover, with episode 3 establishing that the CR90 did have fewer guns and more beauty panels but were long gone by the time episode 4 came out
the X-wing had no canon backstory and george never gave it one

that they were explicitly stolen was never mentioned or implied in any of the movies
stripped down and hodge podge, but nothing to say they are stolen

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>>97864554
A lot of it is obvious visual storytelling. The Rebel ships all look rundown with general poor maintenance and modifications, compared to the Imperial TIEs which are far sleeker and actually look like real produced ships. It also fits with the obvious intent of the Rebellion, they're guerilla fighters, they don't own planets or factories or materials to produce ships.
>the CR90 being an ambassador ship was retconned to be more refuge in audacity rather than a plausible cover, with episode 3 establishing that the CR90 did have fewer guns and more beauty panels but were long gone by the time episode 4 came out
No? The Tantive was ALWAYS an ambassadorial ship, that was never in doubt. Also the RotS model is actually the Tantive III/Sundered Heart (a CR-70), not the Tantive IV.

>>97864563
>A lot of it is obvious visual storytelling.
they are greebled with exposed piping but never mentioned to be stolen
that they were said to be stolen is a WEG invention, the movies never mentioned it or implied it

>It also fits with the obvious intent of the Rebellion, they're guerilla fighters, they don't own planets or factories or materials to produce ships.
the rebels were equal parts vietcong and continental army
they were guerilla fighters, but they were also an actual army that could stand up to the empire in a conventional fight if they had to

WEG doubled down on the guerilla part to the point that 90% of their army is seemingly sleeper cells but george considered them a formal army

>>97864576
>they were also an actual army that could stand up to the empire in a conventional fight if they had to
>george considered them a formal army
This is straight up false. Until RotJ when they got support from planets like Mon Cala, the Rebellion COULD NOT have won in any direct combat with the Empire. This is the main point of their struggle in both ANH and ESB. The Rebels rely on tiny fighter contingents in battles like Yavin and Hoth because they literally have nothing else. If you make the Rebels capable of actively fighting the Empire at any period before their support acquisition pre-RotJ, they lose their status
It was LATER media, such as D6 and Empire at War, that actually push the idea that the Rebellion somehow owned planets and factories. The reality is that if the Rebels had even owned a SINGLE planet, the Empire would have tracked it down and destroyed it ASAP. There is no proof that George ever intended the Rebels to be able to stand up against the Empire. Even in Endor, it is the HEROES and not the navy that end up winning the fight.

>>97864586
>This is straight up false
thats literally what george lucas said, he considers the continental army one of their main inspirations
he later said viet cong, because george lucas says whatever feels true in the moment, but the continental army part of their inspiration is obvious

they were never solely vietcong guerilla fighters, thats an equal part of their inspiration to george washington, but being viet cong alone is a WEG invention, they were a fully realized army with ranks that posed a credible threat to the empire as whole

>>97864576
>but george
NTA but let's be honest here. George had very surface understanding of military organisation and very vague sense of scale in Star Wars.

>>97864596
Just because they were an inspiration does not mean that it was taken bit by bit.
NOTHING in the movies shows the Rebellion being a credible threat against the Empire in direct combat except the very end of RotJ, and I reiterate, even then the Rebels won because of Luke and Co, not the naval battle. In Yavin, the Rebels use around two dozen fighters (split between X-Wings and Y-Wings) to defend the base where all its upper commanders are located from the Death Star and there is no proof they have anything else, and it ends up being Luke, R2, Han and Chewie who actually save the day. In Hoth, again the main control base where a lot of the Rebel upper hierarchy remains hidden and which even has an ion cannon, the Rebels end up having to send Snowspeeders to fight against the implacable AT-ATs because again, they have little else in ground as well as in space. By the end of ESB, we see their biggest fleet, consisting of around six ships or so of small size.
Making the Rebellion a credible threat against the Empire is a later corruption that actively harms the story of the OT, which is about Luke and Co. saving the galaxy, not the Rebels as a whole. It's like having LotR and then revealing that actually the rest of Middle Earth could have easily defeated Sauron and Frodo's journey was kinda pointless. No.

>>97864598
the scale maps pretty cleanly to that of fantasy, planets are stand-ins for cities and kingdoms and space fleets are about the same size as real world navies
the scale was always meant to be closer to earth-scale, the sci-fi was always just set dressing for a fantasy story

it was only later on that hard sci-fi nerds would get upset that the numbers shown didnt match up to the size of the galaxy and pull out numbers like 20,000 star destroyers even though we never see more than 2 in a single place before ROTJ

>>97864624
Most of the Star Wars story happens in the Outer Rim, it makes sense that fleets are small. Do you genuinely believe all planets are like Tatooine and Hoth?
Also ironic that you claim that Star Wars is just pseudo sci-fi for a fantasy story then argue the Rebels would be able to defeat the Empire normally, which goes against the actual main fantasy story of the franchise (Luke the hero, Anakin the redeemed chosen one, Han and Chewie the rogues turned generals, etc)

>>97864638
even in the prequels when budget was not a limitation, you still see fleets only roughly equal to what was seen in the OT
the scale of star wars is not simply a result of bad math, but a deliberate choice

>>97864654
>you still see fleets only roughly equal to what was seen in the OT
Huh? No you don't?
In Episode I you see dozens of Trade Federation Lucrehulks above Naboo and the invasion forces as seen in the actual ground battle are far larger
In Episode II the final scene shows hordes of clones and dozens of Acclamators and Geonosis shows thousands of both clones and droids in active combat
In Episode III, the Battle of Coruscant has hundreds of ships and the battles we see like Kashyyyk, Mygeeto and even Utapau are of far larger scale
This is delusion, even Lucas says in the Art Of books that with the new budget he had he purposefully chose for troopers and ships to be CGI so he could plaster thousands of them at a time on screen

>>97864676
the battle of coruscant has about a few dozen ships visible on either side
the budget meant you could see each ship clearly and that each of them could get closeups rather than simply being distant models
but you clearly do not see 20,000 capital ships on either side and the numbers are mostly restricted to what a real world navy might have
star wars was never meant to have true-scale conflicts

>and even Utapau are of far larger scale
theres only 2 battleships ever seen at a time there

>>97864694
Obviously, nobody is saying a single battle should have 20k ships. That is Saxtonite maximalism and few autists believe that shit
But galactically speaking, as in considering the whole galaxy, 20k is fine for the number of ISDs the Empire has as a whole, probably has more even.

>>97864614
>Making the Rebellion a credible threat against the Empire is a later corruption that actively harms the story of the OT,
If Rebels weren't threat to the Empire Sheev would never bother sending Death Star to Yavin-4 and making DS 2.0 and baiting Rebels with all their navy into Endor,

>>97864911
>Sheev would never bother sending Death Star to Yavin-4 and making DS 2.0 and baiting Rebels with all their navy into Endor
Looks like you haven't watched the movies.
The Rebellion was slowly gaining political support in the Senate but not military support. This bothered Imperials, and although Palpatine ended up finally replacing it with the Moff system, many in the Imperial political sphere felt as if some worlds were slowly leaning against Imperial hegemony. Tarkin was the one who decided to take the DS to Yavin (not Sheev) and it was merely as a showcase of its power in the same way Alderaan's destruction did it, he intended to the Death Star to serve as an instrument of fear to prevent people from considering rebellion as an option in the first place. It wasn't that the Rebellion was dangerous so much as sending a message to any planet that rebellion has consequences. After Yavin, the Alliance WAS considered more of a threat for obvious reasons but they were still heavily outnumbered and outmatched.
With Endor, baiting the Rebel navy and using the DS II was not to destroy them though Palpatine was unaware of the military gains the Rebellion had gotten and assumed they'd get stomped immediately. His goal was purely to turn Luke to the Dark Side. Destroying the Rebels there had the goal of making him lash out in rage and possibly even end Vader. It was always a plot to get Luke for himself and replace Anakin, the rest of the Rebellion was part of his plan. He unfortunately assumed too much and his arrogance got to him regarding Luke's devotion to the light and his father as well as the rebel heroes' ability to fuck everything up. His arrogance leads to the Empire crumbling.

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>>97862430
it's a common thing that happens because people don't really think outside the box for it and just go off of the animation which isn't a good thing to do because of it's stylization
really what should be done is comparing how omega/emerie would PRESUMABLY look like in live action, then compare them to temura morrison and daniel logan in AoTC

imo, adult omega and emerie should look like keisha castle-hughes yes I know adult omega and emerie have different faces for some reason? , and omega as a child should look like keisha when she was a child, the NZ movie "whale rider" she was in is a good reference to use, you'd just have to colour her hair blonde (although the edits that put temura morrison and daniel logan in blonde wigs are funny)

currently no art that uses a "live action" style has done this, but I expect at some point it'll happen, as it's the most logical thing to do

>>97864939
>but not military support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNSnJbjdws
>- The Rebel Alliance is too well equiped. They are more dangerous than you realise
>- Dangerous to your STAR FLEET commander

>and it was merely as a showcase of its power in the same way Alderaan's destruction did it,
Alderaan was showcase, Yavin-4 was putting Death Star to use by blowing up main Rebellion's base.

>Black series Kir Kanos figure named Carnor Jax
Weird

>>97864694
>the battle of coruscant has about a few dozen ships visible on either side
The animated series, which was made to directly lead to the film, shows a zoomed out view of the battle with probably hundreds of ships. We don't see that many in the film, but the film mostly has relatively closed up shots, primarily following Anakin and Obi-Wan flying to Grievous' flagship, so we never really see the entire battle. Even the relatively small slice of it that we do see has dozens of ships packed in close together, so there could easily be several hundreds or thousands in the orbit around Coruscant.

>>97864624
>numbers like 20,000 star destroyers even though we never see more than 2 in a single place before ROTJ
20 000 ISDs would mean about a squadron of ISD per sector. In practice, I would assume sectors with important locations like the Imperial capital or major shipyards would have more ISDs stationed there, while backwaters in the outer rim would have only one or none at all. Which is entirely consistent with what we see in the films. Sending an entire squadron of ISDs to one place would involve committing most of an average sector's naval power, so it makes sense we only see that kind of concentration of firepower in highly important military operations, like Vader leading the Death Squadron to attack Hoth in an attempt to wipe out the Rebel leadership and Palpatine luring the entire Rebel fleet to Endor to wipe them out in a single battle. The Imperial ships in the battle would represent the forces of multiple sectors being gathered in one place, leaving their home sectors defenseless in order to concentrate enough firepower in one place to ensure the destruction of the Rebellion.

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Reading TPM novel and never knew that Anakin found and saved a Tusken only to be found by more Tuskens that then left him in peace. All because he thought the stories everyone said about them can't be true.
Poetry was missed.

Two sessions into an EoTE game too, an ex scout trooper (me) crash landed onto an uncharted world where I encountered an OOM pilot droid (other player) who was the only droid left from a crashed munificent.
Over a bunch of hijinks we encountered other survivors and stole their ship to get off world. We decided after that session we want to form a droid army gang and repair the munificient. The planet was luckily near Geonosis so in session 2 we went there and I almost died after stumbling into a cave of Massifs. Luckily we found a door in the cave which led to a battle droid factory still being guarded by 1 B1 and 1 B2.
I got blasted to unconsciousness by them and the OOM managed to deceive them into not attacking anymore. And then convinced them I was a CIS operative and that he is in command now.
I got healed up but the factory is in shambles so we only managed to fully complete a further 9 B1s and 2 B2s.
We decided to go to Tatooine next to see if we can find parts and make credits to get a bigger ship to transport a workforce to the munificient. While there I went into a bacta tank for a day while the OOM went about Mos Shutta doing basic bounties and surprisingly murking everyone he needed to.
He's been wearing a cloak to not be seen as a battle droid. So when I got out of the bacta we had a nice stack of credits and no trouble. Next we went to Mos Eisley to do a bounty for a Hutt and our session ended right as we were standing over our bounty. He was in a warehouse of corpses and trying to smooth talk us but the OOM blasted his brains out.

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So are there any decent softwares out there for making good, simple sci-fi maps?
Pic related style ones I mean rather than realistic ones.

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Why do they hate Mara Jade so much?

>>97866200
do not invoke her name!

>>97865635
Interesting. I like how this with AotC shows both Anakin and the Tuskens' savage nature, also goes well with the Tusken Jedi in the Republic comics
>>97866200
Would mean giving Luke a partner and a happy end. Lucasfilm is not willing to even bring a feminist strong female character in if it means that Luke Skywalker gets an ending that isn't dying like a fucking loser in some shithole island like a coward.

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>>97866200
>why do the troons and browns hate the beautiful, hot, white redhead who goes through a redemption arc to become a hero, marries the good guy and becomes a mother?
it is a msytery

>people get mad that satine refused to get her planet involved in an unjustified war

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>>97866575
Satine's choice only makes sense given how we know the Clone Wars were going to shake out.

In a vacuum, if it were a real war and not the galactic political equivalent of WWE, her choice was stupid, and we get to see precisely why, because Mandalore is repeatedly dunked on by forces it is too weak to handle on its own and which either of the primary belligerents would have crushed and which they were bankrolling for exactly that purpose in some cases.

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>>97866646
>In a vacuum, if it were a real war
buddy you're not gonna believe this

>>97866665
But The clone wars wasn’t a real war, it was a scripted conflict written and directed by Palpatine and played by 2 completely disposable armies with the ultimate goal of tricking a panicked senate into delivering him a galactic empire on a silver platter

>>97866782
Palpatine isn't a pure puppermaster, sure the war itself is done by a corrupted corporation but the battles ARE real and not scripted
Palpatine's biggest skill is his ability to adapt and improve his results based on his original plans getting ruined, like in TPM

>>97866803
> Palpatine isn't a pure puppermaster
Umm…
Yes he was, that’s kinda his whole shtick

>>97866818
He's a mastermind but his plans don't literally go how he wants them to go in any media
In TPM his original plan WAS for Naboo to get invaded and to pray on people's sympathy votes and hatred of Valorum to vote for him, the final result of it being liberated by Padme was unexpected but ended up being leagues better because 1. it brought him Anakin, 2. it assured him the victory through Padme backing him, 3. it justified anticoporate and ergo antirepublican stances on a way shorter timeframe than he expected, and 4. it made the Jedi scared of the Sith's return
AotC has him originally plan to kill Padme, then when Obi-Wan discovers the clones and Padme is taken away that is a perfect chance to push for their use for militarization and the discovery of Geonosis too early pushes the war far earlier than he expected which benefits him
RotS, he wanted Kenobi to die in the Invisible Hand but his survival was generally positive for Anakin's downfall (even if it came back to bite him with Luke) and Yoda's survival allows him to further justify Order 66 and further antijedi acts as necessary for safety
His best skill is to improvise and adapt, the PT is a great example of his plans getting foiled but him constantly benefiting at every turn.

>>97866803
>the battles ARE real and not scripted
But the war as a whole was scipted. It was Sheev playing 4D chess against himself by proxy.
And he played both sides wrong, on purpose, as a joke.

>>97866856
I mean kinda? He did push most of the big movements like Durge's Lance and the final secret Coruscant raid but the minutiae of the war was not his focus
>he played both sides wrong, on purpose, as a joke.
Not really. He played generally right, it's just that the Republic once it actually achieved full militarization crushed the Seppies which relied on cheap modded light security ships. Even Lucrehulks were just modded cargo vessels which would generally get stomped by a fleet of Venators, which are proper warships designed by a way stronger production center.

>>97866782
I think you missed the joke

>>97866646
I hate the darksaber so much. Really feels like it fucks the lore. Mandalorians being ancient enemies of the Jedi, using a Jedi weapon to determine who is ruler is stupid.

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>>97866873
Speaking of, has anybody considered the idea that the war was also partially a way for Palpatine to not just push militarization for the Empire but also experiment and develop more potent military tech on both sides? By the end of the war, the resultinjg Imperial naval and army assets are leagues stronger than anything that had been present before galactically.
For instance, the development of the stronger but cumbersome DC-15A leads to the later DLT-19 and the E-11 by evolution, the clone armor evolves through experience into the far more agile and adaptable Stormtrooper armor, droids are also experimented on (the Empire later would use tank droids as well as sometimes DSD models), etc etc

>>97866200
Yet another reason to reject the nu-canon and the faggots who defend it.

>>97866200
>the cannot bring Mara Jade into canon
99% chance that 'cannot' actually means 'don't want to'

>>97862703
There is only one lot of dark troopers, from the dark trooper project. As fought and stopped by kyle katarn.

Nothing disney is canon. Ever.

>>97867020
Dude. Monkeys paw. Do you even WANT to see what kind of fucking tranny retard faggot shit they would mutilate mara jade into if they stole her for disneywars shit?

>>97866114
The hat ruins it t.b.h.

Do we know what happened to her after the Imps replaced her?

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>>97866200
Even before Disney got involved, Lucas had some weird hang-ups about Mara. Which is weird, because he obviously doesn't have problems with a putting babes in his stories. I can only assume it's the successful marriage part of her character that irks his divorced ass.

>>97866200
>deadly assassin trained in jedi arts by Palpatine to kill Luke ends up falling in love and marrying him

She's a cringe incel power fantasy

>>97854809
The Jedi take self denial to the extreme and are totally ignorant of how bad they actually are. At no point amongst them kidnapping kids to indoctrinate as child warrior monks did any of them stop to ask
>are we the baddies?

>>97866575
I don't dislike Satine because she didn't drag Mandalore into the Clone Wars. That was one of her best calls as a ruler.

I dislike Satine because when I took a closer look, I realized she was a dictator who tried to ethnically cleanse her own people on behalf of a foreign power (down to banning their language, like seriously, WTF?!) and also was obviously victimizing her subjects further by engaging in utopian thinking. But I'm supposed to think she's a tragic martyr whose ideals were just too lofty for this sinful galaxy.

I have to wonder how many "New Mandalorians" ran to get the family armor out of the places they hid it when she was overthrown.

>>97866200
Mara Jade is a shit character. She's le heckin badass edgy mary sue waifu whose only two reasons for existing are to sell merch to horny nerds and to wank off Zahn's self-insert version of Luke.

>>97855870
I like that oldfag swg headcanon of Mace surviving, becoming a cyborg, and turning into a psychotic light side extremist who tries to genocide anything he associates with Palpatine (for obvious reasons) and the old Jedi order (who he now views as weak and inferior). It would be a reasonable and very cool chance for a light sider bad guy.

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>>97866200
Ideally, who would you even cast to play her?

For me its pic related

>>97867156
Karen Gillan looks the part, at least for now (she's 38)

I'll ask a better question-- who would you cast as Luke to act opposite a hypothetical Mara?

>>97867193
sebastian stan

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>>97867156
An unknown actor who looks and sounds like a young Mark Hamill. Sebastian Stan would have been perfect 10 years ago. He's too old now

>>97867193
>>97867215
Both are way too old. Hollywood needs to grow balls and try to cast someone completely new for the role

>>97867193

>>97867038
>Do you even WANT to see what kind of fucking tranny retard faggot shit they would mutilate mara jade into if they stole her for disneywars shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwoc7HgN6YE
Highly relevant

>>97845987
Used to be my main, but once he powerleveled enough, I've switched him to GM assistant sorta role, was probably best way to retire a character.

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>>97867248
If Disney was smart, they'd do that. But they're not.
They do not want to make money, they do not want to make movies the fans would love.

And they'd have to admit that they were stupid, and wrong. And they will never, ever admit to that.
Just like retconning the sequels to a 'sequels canon'. It would be the smart thing to do, the morally right thing even. It will never happen.

They will run 9001 articles in their little pet magazines and wannabe-celeb websites calling the fans 'toxic', 'problematic', etc. and accusing the internet chuds of being racists homophobes antitransgenocidists or whatever the fuck buzzword they like this week.
And tehy'll happily throw the entire cast of whatever show or movie they just ran into the ground under the bus after using their social media accounts to farm outrage clicks for a few weeks.

>>97867965
There was a movie few years ago where an actor played a young Harrison Ford in the flashbacks. He was literally perfect to cast as a young Han Solo in the Solo movie.

https://youtu.be/vwLv993khfI?si=j-NfVKTI9o8D0Y50

>>97867118
In what universe is "smoking hot baddie gets mindbroken by Chad and ends up marrying him" an *incel power fantasy* you deranged fuckwit?

>>97866899
the darksaber was literally georges idea and its entirely due to favoring consistent visual language over anything dumb like lore

>normal metal sword shouldnt survive a lightsaber, it has to have a visual signifier like glowing, so the pure beskar sword idea was shelved
>lightsabers are visual signifiers of the jedi and no one but the jedi build them, so the first mandalore was made into a mandalorian jedi
he also previously vetoed the idea of thje magnaguard using shock swords because he didnt like the visual clarity of glowing swords being encroached by other weapons, so they were changed to shock staves instead so that light sabers would remain visually distinct

>>97866200
Because George hates Mara Jade and that's the only reason needed.
Good riddance to that horribly written mary sue.

>>97868117
hated might be a strong word, theres no indication he ever thought strongly about her
the only time he ever voiced outright displeasure was to her TCG art

but theres never been definitive proof he hated mara jade specifically
other than simply not fitting his vision for what should become of luke after episode 6, but any specific reasons are probably gone forever since goerge lucas probably forgot all about a character in a book he never read with a character he didnt make embarking on adventures he never intended luke to have

>>97868139
George is the reason Lucasfilm is firm on not letting that twat re-enter canon.

>>97868145
but to say that george lucas hated mara jade is a bit hyperbolic, because he just never said his opinion on mara jade ever
he has literally mentioned her by name twice ever

>>97868157
Yeah, because he hates that bitch.
Why are you so caught up in defending a terrible character being cleansed from canon?

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>>97866544
>troons and browns

>>97868168
>defending
no such thing was done
simply pointing out that george has never stated any hatred for mara jade outside of not liking her TCG art

>>97868056
>the darksaber was literally georges idea
Jar Jar was also george's idea.
>>normal metal sword shouldnt survive a lightsaber
Magnaguards had metal sticks
>>lightsabers are visual signifiers of the jedi and no one but the jedi build them,
Which Jedi made Maul and Sheev swords?

>>97868237
>Magnaguards had metal sticks
electrically charged sticks
the important part is the visual conveyance that it is not resisting a lightsaber through its metal
they originally had electrically charged swords, but the idea was shot down because he wanted a consistent visual of lightsabers being the only swords of any kind in the movie
the original darksaber idea didnt even have an electrified surface, it was literally just a sword
and george was pretty explicit on that matter, glowy objects need to resist glowy objects
so the metal sword was changed to a lightsaber

>Which Jedi made Maul and Sheev swords?
so you are arguing that the darksaber should have been made by the sith?
thats even dumber

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>>97868270
>electrically charged sticks
Electricity doesn't alter physical qualities of metal magically.
>and george was pretty explicit
George has been pretty explicit about plenty of things
>so you are arguing that the darksaber should have been made by the sith?
Nope. I am pointing out that PT never specified who made Maul's double saber and two light sabers of Sheev.
>thats even dumber
Yeah surely because Mandalorians never had history of working for sith.

>>97868168
>that twat
>that bitch
>terrible character
Anon, why are you getting so emotional about a fictional character. If they brought her back, it wouldn't be with the old writing or plot. Just the name, the look, and the broad strokes of a bad girl becoming Luke's wife need to stay the same.

>>97868308
to recap georgs position
>george did not want normal swords to be able to stand up to lightsabers, electrified or not, so that jedi would remain visually clear
>george did not want non-electric weapons to be able to survive combat with lightsabers, because he wanted visual clarity of glowing objects being the only thing that can withstand a lightsaber
>glowing staves were okay, but glowing swords were not for these reasons

therefore, we can understand why he would not approve of a normal metal sword being light-saber resistant
>but beskar
is not relevant, because his objections were thematic and visual, not lore-based

so he approved of the darksaber being an actual lightsaber because it avoids the issues with non-glowing weapons and lightsaber uniqueness entirely

>>97868342
>his objections were thematic and visual,
>and visual,
>visual

Legion question, is there any way to make Agent Kallus Command unit again?
I want to run him with Boba and Bossk for maximum bounty hunting.

>>97868313
'He' /'she' is clearly a disneyfag tr00ny g00fball.

>>97868313
A lot of people think being on 4chan means you're obligated to act like a retard constantly.

>>97868478
not currently, he lacks field commander
so you will need to plop a vehicle commander into one of your AT-STs or run generic officer

>>97864694
>but you clearly do not see 20,000 capital ships on either side and the numbers are mostly restricted to what a real world navy might have
The original novelization of Star Wars mentions the Empire ruling over a millions star systems. 20000 star destroyers isn't that ridiculous all things considered. Taking the death stars as an indicator of the Empire's engineering capabilities, several thousand star destroyers seems almost tame.

>>97868582
>Taking the death stars as an indicator of the Empire's engineering capabilities, several thousand star destroyers seems almost tame.
>using the hard sci-fi mindset to justify massive numbers that are never visible on screen at any time ever

>>97868604
I don't really see why things have to appear on screen to implicitly exist.
Han postulates in the first movie that the entire imperial starfleet might potentially have the firepower to completely destroy Alderaan, is that a good enough indicator to you that the Empire is intended to have more ships than the few ships we are shown on screen?
How about the part in RotJ where Han flies by the massive command ship and Han scoffs at the possibility of it being Vader's ship because there are supposedly many ships of its kind fielded by the Empire despite that ship only ever being shown to be Vader's personal command ship? Does this not imply that the Empire is factually intended to have a greater presence off screen?

>>97868648
>I don't really see why things have to appear on screen to implicitly exist.
because the vast discrepancy between what is shown and what is claimed to exist is ridiculous
especially because the source of the numbers, nerds doing napkin calculations, are never supported on screen

>Han postulates in the first movie that the entire imperial starfleet might potentially have the firepower to completely destroy Alderaan,
han is not being literal

>How about the part in RotJ where Han flies by the massive command ship and Han scoffs at the possibility of it being Vader's ship because there are supposedly many ships of its kind fielded by the Empire despite that ship only ever being shown to be Vader's personal command ship?
han is just, poorly, trying to comfort luke

>Does this not imply that the Empire is factually intended to have a greater presence off screen?
a greater presence, sure, but "the empire only ever uses 0.01% of its total strength" is just ridiculous

Imagine arguing about authoral intent about a guy who (in)famously rewrote an entire movie's climax specifically to sell more merchandise and save money.
>swapped kashyyyk for endor and wookies for ewoks because midgets and children were asking lower pay than basketball players to be extras
>wanted ewoks, according to film production staff, to sell ewok toys
>refused to have han be killed in the bunker despite ford's constant arguing, with his words to ford verbatim being "There isn't much of a future in 'Dead Han' toys."
Whatever you think of any canon using G Lu as an argument is flimsy, because his position on any subject would literally be whatever makes him money. He fucking changed Revenge to Return early in screenings because he was told it'd save printing costs.

The fucker would've had Mickey Mouse appear and bitchslap Vader and Sheev if he was offered 50 cents to do it.

>>97864272
I do gotta wonder just how many dark jedi were running about post order 66. Going through that and keeping sane would probably be complicated especially if you were on a bad planet to be stranded on. Imagine most got Vader'd if they made too much noise.

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>>97867074
The hat is fundamental to her tho

She died :(

>>97868270
>the important part is the visual conveyance
>from a fucking TCW cartoon.

>>97868769
A cartoon doesnt change the fact that george was primarily concerned with visual consistency with reasoning thats consistent with what he said for revenge of the sith

He did not want a metal sword to be equal to a lightsaber
He didn't like metal swords in general, considering that the royal guard vibroswords are never used in combat ever, much less against a lightsaber

>>97868811
>A cartoon doesnt change the fact that george was primarily concerned with visual consistency
Being involved into creation of TCW and insisting on TCW being canonical part of continuty along with OT and PT devaules George's views on visual consistency or any other artistic qualities.

>>97868736
that's a myth, a total fabrication from decades of RLMfag seethe
Wookiees were never going to be in Return of the Jedi, not in the earliest drafts, it was always ewoks - although ewoks were not initially decided upon as teddy bears, early iterations ranged from squirrels and bird-goblins to stilt-legged ogres that became the yuzzums to literal garden gnomes
this misunderstanding comes from a deliberately misleading representation of the very first drafts to Star Wars in 1973-74, back when it was called "Journal of the Whills, Part I: From the Adventures of the Jedi-Bendu Mace Whindy", where the "wookiees" (they looked like Zeb from Rebels back then) were set to form a slave rebellion against Emperor Cos Dashit to save the planet of "Aquila" (Alderaan) from destruction by Darth Vader, who was just a guy in a samurai mask and had no relation whatsoever to anybody.

of course, all of this shit was thrown clear out the window by the time George actually started making his films for real, and there is no script or screenplay or concept art from anywhere in the Lucasfilm archives that had wookiees on Endor because Return of the Jedi (and for that matter Empire Strikes Back) follows a completely divergent continuity revision that George established in 1977: Wookiees are technological, and the fight against the Empire in the last movie had to be primitive, visually unassuming, nature-attuned tribals

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>>97868056
No the darksaber is retarded. I thought only force wielders can use a lightsaber?

Why does darksaber have a distinct shape and shaped like a katana?

Why does darksaber have a literal edge and white markings on edge?

If they made it just a black lightsaber I would have been ok with it, but they made it so different from other lightsabers that it kinda breaks the lore. Its flat, pointed and shaped like a fucking katana which makes zero sense. How do you even give a lightsaber a shape?

>>97868841
>, and the fight against the Empire in the last movie had to be reference to Vietnam war
fix

>>97868879
>How do you even give a lightsaber a shape?
presumably with the same tech that gives normal ones a cylindrical shape.

>>97868901
>cylindrical shape.
Just our visual interpretation of beam

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>>97868901
No fuck off. Then why don't we ever see any lightsaber take a unique shape? Why don't we see lightsabers shaped like a cutlass or flamberg? Darksaber is fucking retarded. Would have been ok if it was just a regular black lightsaber instead of this weird lightsaber katana

>>97868919
The beam is made out of plasma being held in the shape of a blade by a containment field, so regardless of your "visual interpretation" the hilt is causing the energy to take a certain shape
>Then why don't we ever see any lightsaber take a unique shape
Lightwhips are canon

>>97868945
>shape of a blade
>presumably with the same tech that gives normal ones a cylindrical shape.
Make uo your mind please

>>97868975
It's irrelevant. Either way, the tech obviously exists to shape the plasma one way or another. If it isn't a cylinder, that makes anon's bitching about the Darksaber's blade even more pointless. So instead of a long rapier blade, it's a slightly different shape...why is this a big deal? As I said, weirder shit like lightwhips, is canon. Take it up with George, he's the guy who made the thing.

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Am i dumb, what's the point of the first part of this card, isn't Tagge able to remove those token when ever?
Is it something that's required for Exemplar to work with those cached tokens?

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>>97868056
I get what you’re saying about visual language, but I actually think the Beskar spear works better for Mandalorians than the Darksaber for exactly that reason.

The Darksaber leans into “lightsaber but special,” which keeps the fight language very Jedi/Sith adjacent. The beskar spear, on the other hand, reinforces that Mandalorians are not Jedi. They fight differently, and that difference shows up visually.

Beskar already has the established property of resisting lightsabers, so you don’t need it to glow to justify it. The visual language comes from the contrast: a long, grounded, metallic weapon going up against an energy blade. It immediately reads as tech vs mysticism.

And tactically, a spear just makes more sense for Mandalorians. Reach is a huge advantage against a lightsaber user, which Mandalorians already do when fighting jedi. You can keep distance, control space, and strike without entering that dangerous close range where Jedi excel. It fits their whole “practical, anti-Jedi warfare” vibe way better than essentially dueling them on their own terms.

Plus, if you look at older Mandalorian lore, they weren’t just dueling Jedi they were countering them in warfare. The image of Mandalorians using long weapons like spears while mounted on Basilisk war droids to take down Jedi is a perfect example of that mindset. It’s not about elegance, it’s about effectiveness.

So yeah, I’d argue the beskar spear actually communicates Mandalorian identity and their history with Jedi more clearly than the Darksaber does.

>>97868988
>If it isn't a cylinder, that makes anon's bitching about the Darksaber's blade even more pointless.
On the contrary. You are justifying katana-shaped blade of the dark saber by presuming that some piece of the lightsaber tech responsible for giving blade cylender shape, By which I am pointing out that average lightsaber blade isn't cylendrical, it's just a beam of energy, which our eyes and brain view as cylendre.

>>97869003
To be fair darksaber is just tip of an iceberg.
Also, due to their clan-society and the fact different clans still being around I would argue that faceless mask, which represents leader-figure who upholds status quo between various factions and gives up even his identity to fullfill this duty makes more sense logic and artistic wise.

>>97868990
From my understanding Tagge can spend the tokens on Logistical Prowess but for anyone else wanting to use them through Exemplar the tokens need to be transferred on Tagge's card at the start of his activation.
That's what makes him hard to use/interesting: the tokens on Logistical Prowess stay between rounds but can't be spent through Exemplar while the tokens on Tagge can be spent through Exemplar but are lost at the end of the round.
So you need to plan your token uses several turns ahead unlike with other support commanders.

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sneaking in a jobber ship that exists solely to explode in large numbers after firing a missile salvo

>lightly armored missile frigate
>designed with maximum speed and minimum armor
>laser cannons exist solely for self-defense
>token anti-fighter blaster battery
>6 missile tubes for main offensive punch, fires a massive salvo at long range

>>97869393
You are correct, the tokens on Logistical prowess stick around and you move how many you want to his mini at the start of his action. The key to Tagge is collecting a huge stockpile of tokens by playing his 3 pip on turn 2, and then distributing this resource on turns 2-5. Depending on the army, you could easily end up with something ridiculous like 20 surges, as the 3 pip can generate tokens both when the enemy attacks, and when they defend.

>>97868879
> I thought only force wielders can use a lightsaber?

That’s never been true. Grievous wasn’t a force user and neither was Han Solo, but both wielded lightsabers at one point or another.

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Why has no-one ever done a good VT-49 deckplan, similar to the countless ones for the Millennium Falcon, a ship of similar size?

This is the closest I've come to a good one, and it's tiny and literally hand-drawn.

>>97868879
>>97868932
>Darksaber is fucking retarded.
Thank you.
>How do you even give a lightsaber a shape?
More importantly, WHY would you? A lightsaber is a forcefield with plasma. Its cut is omnidirectional. It doesn't need an edge.

>>97869467
>How do you even give a lightsaber a shape?
>More importantly, WHY would you? A lightsaber is a forcefield with plasma. Its cut is omnidirectional. It doesn't need an edge
The OOC answer is because it was supposed to be a actual vibro-sword made of Beskar, but Lucas nixed that idea just before rendering crunch and they had to scramble to make it a lightsaber with the assets they had to keep up the rendering pace.

In-universe explanation probably involves some form of Sith alchemy or stupidlly rare focusing lens and crystal.

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Rate this Rival-tier antagonist i'm planning for my Force & Destiny game set in the later stages of the Rise of the Empire era.

Giza Toqema, the Pale Apprentice
Giza is a striking, unsettling figure. Her once-vibrant green Twi’lek skin now drained to a deathly, almost albino, pallor through prolonged exposure to the dark side. Her eyes are perpetually hidden behind a cruel, barbed visor, both a restraint and a conduit. Chains, hooks, and ritual piercings bind her body, not merely as ornamentation, but as instruments of focus and pain: tools to sharpen her connection to the Force. Under the guidance of her Master she has transformed her own body into both weapon and conduit, and pain is nothing but fuel to her. Where others fear the dark side, she cultivates it like a garden of thorns.

She serves as the favored apprentice, and eventual enforcer, of Gereth Dhal, a Jedi Master who survived Order 66 only by abandoning restraint and the jedi way of patient defense in favor of ruthless aggression and survival at all cost.

Gereth found Giza attempting to steal from him as he was wandering the outer rim. Rather than kill her, he saw raw, violent, untrained Force potential fueled by desperation. He took her as an apprentice, but not in the way the Jedi once taught.
Her training was brutal, intimate, and transformative. Her master did not teach through patience, but through breaking and remaking.
He blinded her temporarily for months, forcing her to perceive through the Force alone.
He bound her in chains laced with cortosis, teaching her to channel pain into focus.
He taught her how to turn physical suffering into dark side empowerment.
Cruel suffering was intertwined with caring compassion, turning pain into lessons while tying her emotionally to him.

Over time, Giza began modifying these methods herself. The barbed piercings, the constricting wrappings around her lekku and the sensory deprivation visor are not punishments anymore: they are rituals of control.

>>97850873
this is what memes devoid of white influence look like. utterly lacking the divine spark.

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>>97869803
>picrel
I do like her though. I would suggest a slightly more tasteful pic if you don't want to weird your players out.

>>97869850
Oh my players would have no problem with that pic. The campaign i ran before this one was a Warhammer 40K Black Crusade with a LOT of tzeentchian body horror, slaaneshii character going full cenobite, nurglite guck and other "creepy" stuff that would be considered weird.

A shame Legion or Shatter Point doesn't have campaign books simmiliar to Battletech Turning Point and other sourcebooks.

>>97869866
Legion has tours of duty, it is kind of like a crusade system in 40k. Right now, there are only 4 story arcs with a unique mission at the end, but AMG mentioned that the update on 21st of April will bring 3 more.

>>97868056
>the darksaber was literally georges idea
Ghosts of Mortis were also George's idea

>>97868663
you are not arguing in good faith on any of these points

>>97868841
The wookies in RotJ thing has been confirmed multiple times since then by others who worked on the movie, your iceberg knowledge of Star Wars's embarassingly stupid origins aside.They were recruiting very tall people as extras early in production but stopped abruptly.

This also tracks with Ford and Kazdan's comments about how George became hellbent on maximizing toy sales during the movie, for Ford culminating in George telling him, quote, there was no future in dead Han toys.

George's hippie dippie dogshit explanation was cope over the fact he sold out and knew it. But even if it wasn't, the alternative explanation is, well, hippie dippie dogshit.

>>97870161
I mean you can end the whole discussion with the fact that George decided to make TFU series canon just because project was supposed to make plenty of money and he wanted to give a boost for hype around the game.

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>>97870161
>confirmed
show me the screenplay drafts
I have ewok concept art dated to 1981, the earliest verified existence of "Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi" as a distinct concept

also do you REALLY want to trust Lawrence "Now I am Yoda, The Force Awakens is a good film" Kasdan hearsay?

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>>97870471
>The screenplay for Jedi was based on a story by Lucas. The script was written by Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan,[f] who allegedly told Lucas that Return of the Jedi was a weak title.[35] Kazanjian echoed Kasdan's concern, and the title was changed to Revenge of the Jedi soon after.

It’s plasma being held in the shape of a “blade” by an containment field, dude.

>>97870549
Was meant for >>97869155

Has anyone ever played a Separatist Commander before? I’m playing an EoTE campaign soon and I’m starting as a Neimoidian Droid Tech multiroled into Sep Commander
And yes I will be doing a Neimoidian voice

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>>97868313
Anon, it's shit bait, the idea that Disney wouldn't do something because Lucas didn't like it is fucking asinine because everything Disney has ever done with Star Wars is antithetical to what Lucas wanted for it. And yes, Lucas didn't really care about Mara Jade, he made a single skit about being pissed about her but otherwise just didn't care. And she certainly isn't a Mary Sue. It's just Filonifag bait
>>97868879
Other characters like Grievous CAN wield lightsabers since they just require sword training but the Darksaber IS fucking retarded. It's a shitty version of the lightsaber but heckin' edgy for the Mandos. Not even Traviss did that shit
>>97868736
Tbf killing Han off WAS a shit idea and Kasdan and Ford were both retards for that. Han got his final bit of development and his survival ended Leia's arc and Lando's arc too
I'm generally fine with Endor and Ewoks
My issue is everything after the PT. Like claiming the Jedi were always perfect and that Ben "wanted Luke to either save or kill Vader". Faggot, that shit is NOT in the film, Luke is very clearly told to kill Vader and ignores those orders by his own agency. Same with removing Anakin's Force powers after Mustafar to make him a woobie, reviving Maul, removing AotC Anakin from the timeline pretty much, adding Ahsoka, and claiming the OT's main protag was Leia and it's a feminist story. Dude changes his story for the worse any time he's given the chance to shill out

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>>97868759
>She died :(

>>97868990
>I Have Graphs AND The Command
I kind of love the name

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>>97870785
I really hate how everybody and their grandmother wants to create their special OC donut steele "scout trooper" variant without ever actually using the scout trooper helmet, it's been going on since jedi outcast at least and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there were similar dipshits in the marvel comics from the 80s

>>97870857
Not a Scout Trooper variant but OK
Also the Navy Commandos look quite sleek and I like them
Compared to your picrel, Patrol Trooper is one of the worst designs I have EVER seen for Star Wars, it genuinely looks like some roleplay costume made by a fag who has no clue what Star Wars designs look like

>>97870471
>>97870480
>checkmate rlmfag, return was ALWAYS retarded!
Wow, sure showed him.
>>97870785
The ewoks detooth the entire Empire and the excuse of Muh Vietcong is based off an insanely inaccurate reddit-tier analysis of the Vietnam War that George subscribed to while frying his brain on weed in the 70s.

Return's main problem beyond even the ewoks is how cheap it feels and looks. The clown show of budget management really shows, and even back then critics pointed out how it looked worse than ANH from nearly a decade earlier. The sets are so much less inspired and exciting than before, 80% of the screentime is spent on Generic California Woods and the space adventures of the previous movies are totally forgotten.

Most people struggle to recall anything about RotJ besides the opening (Jabba's Palace) and the climax (Throne Room) because everything in between is filler.

>>97870868
patrol trooper is hardly the worst (all I have to do there is go to the sequel trilogy or the original battlefront games), but it's definitely C-tier at best

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>>97870988
Huh? Jet Trooper and Dark Trooper Phase 0 are way better than the Patrol Trooper

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>>97870995
not as bad as TORtanic, but it's close

>>97871051
I dislike the TOR soldiers though more by principle of them existing rather than the designs themselves
But both are superior to most Disney designs. Except Shoretroopers and maybe, MAYBE Death Troopers.

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>>97871051
TOR is one of the rare cases where the good guy grunts have a better design then the bad guy grunts. Don't love the discount Clone Trooper Phase 2 helmet some of them rock though, the Sith troopers rank higher than that.

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what would happen if saw guerra successfully bombed tarkins compound in 18BBY, successfully killing tarkin, krennic, hemlock and the other 2 glup shittos?

if anything I think nothing really of note other than the TIE defender getting pushed foward, giving the rebels a much harder fight

>>97860377
Half the old explanations for the Rebel ships were from the early-90s X-Wing/TIE Fighter flight sims. Nebulon-Bs, CR-90s, and tons of other ships (mostly excluding fighters and the largest capital ships) were portrayed as widely available designs used by both sides of the war and by third parties. Movie makers never do that because they're afraid of confusing the audience, whom they regard as complete drooling morons. The worse crime is the fact that you never, ever see a YT-1300 other than the Millenium Falcon in most SW media despite it being a supposedly-common design. Again, video games being the main exception.

>>97871462
> Again, video games being the main exception.
Well of course, everyone wants to fly the hero ship. Which inadvertently makes them as prolific as the lore suggests they actually are.

Actually, where does one go when they are too socially repulsive to get by in any of the core worlds, but too physically delicate (and no where near cunning enough) to survive in the outer rim?

Speaking of ships and Return's sins, I despise how hard it cucked the Executor. The big badass starship turns out to be no more effective than a regular destroyer and goes down to one enemy fighter. Then it shows up a bunch in the EU solely to job and get easily destroyed by the protagonists, adding insult to injury. The SSD and ISD are truly some of the coolest looking but lamest scifi ships ever.

>>97871696
outer-mid rim. Inner-mid rim is still too core-y but the outer edge of the mid-rim is just shady enough to support shadow communities and smuggler havens without being overly policed or up-market.

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>>97871718
it is the Year of our Costanza 2011+15 and pseuds are still getting angry that the good guys beat the bad guys in cartoons for children
I seriously hope you jedis don't do this

>>97871774
I think you're thinking of the area called the "Expansion Region" but nobody ever calls it that, they just say "mid-rim"

>>97871462
Isn't another YT-1300 in one of the PT, on Coruscant?
Anyways the Nebulons aren't third party and have never been, they're stolen and dismantled Imperial vehicles
>>97871696
Mid Rim or Expansion Region as the other anon said. Alternatively Coruscant in its higher but stll underground levels or Corellia.
>>97871718
Executor's fall is less a fault of the ship and more Palpatine's retarded plan of hiding the ships keeping it away from support for enough time to get gangbanged
EU Executors unfortunately did get fucked, not as bad as the Eclipse getting stolen in EaW FoC by three criminal dudes and a droid or two LMAO

>>97871977
>Isn't another YT-1300 in one of the PT, on Coruscant?
Lucas apparently insists that is actual the Falcon for stupid director reasons. Hero ship has to be utterly unique because audience dumb.

>Anyways the Nebulons aren't third party and have never been, they're stolen and dismantled Imperial vehicles
X-Wing portrayed them as extremely common capital ships that were manufactured in huge numbers and bought, sold, or stolen by basically everyone who can afford to maintain then. I think that got retconned into them being a limited-run or pre-production ships that were all canceled and mothballed by the Empire until the Rebels stole every single one of them. Again, an attempt to retcon visually distinct equipment into being unique to each faction. I'll bet they'll decide that CR 90s are Rebel-only ships somehow at some point even if that makes the opening of ANH nonsensical. They'll probably claim X/Y-wing flight helmets were manufactured specifically as Rebel uniforms despite Han having one lying around in the Falcon's lounge on the trip to Alderaan.

>>97872041
well when you come down to it, EVERY ship in existence prior to the official declaration of the Alliance to Restore the Republic is an Imperial ship, by definition
Hoersch-Kessel Lucrehulks in rump-state nationalized Trade Federation employ are "Imperial ships", just as CR90 corvettes are "Imperial ships" and Z-95 Headhunters are "Imperial ships" because they are all ships manufactured under the auspices of an Imperial galactic government
I think the absurdity comes down to the assumption that
>all Rebel ships are actually stolen straight out of Imperial navy dockyards and none of them are independently built vessels for private defense usage like local planetary governments too unimportant to rate a permanent ISD presence

>>97872099
>EVERY ship in existence prior to the official declaration of the Alliance to Restore the Republic is an Imperial ship, by definition
That's a big stretch. Lots of ships weren't built for or owned by the Empire. It isn't a setting where every ship technically belongs to the state. In any case, the retcons tend to sacrifice setting versimilitude for presentational simplicity, without any real need. It's fine to maintain the distinction in big space battles for movies, and can even make sense (the Empire intended Endor to be a complete massacre and only brought their biggest, best stuff).

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they did this to the Firespray too, turning it from a common design into a unique prototype that only Jango/Boba has access to.

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explain why stormtrooper armour, tk trooper armour, and some clone trooper armour (e.g clone pilots with the full face helmet) all exist at the same time

>>97872151
*all exist AND ARE USED at the same time

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>>97872151
explain why 1911 pistols, M1918 BARs, M1928 Thompsons, M3 Grease Guns, M14 rifles, and M60 machine guns were all in use at the same time

>>97872170
to be fair it's my personal headcanon that TK trooper and stormtrooper armour are just two competing models, where the stormtrooper armour will win out and be used for mass rollout

as you have people go:
>but tales of the underworld must take place after TBB/shadow lord (MSL?) because they use TK trooper armour in those shows!
despite lucasfilm stating ToTU takes place before TBB S3 E9, and the vader comic depicting stormtrooper armour in 18BBY due to the burning seas arc

>>97872151
Because it's a galactic-wide Empire and for all we know the way it designs and procures equipment could be a total clusterfuck. The US military has different uniform and equipment across its branches and that's just one country on one planet.

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Another one!

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>>97872262
the mandalorian movie stormtrooper is pretty nice, I got one to go alongside my ANH sandtrooper

>>97869467
>Why has no-one ever done a good VT-49 deckplan, similar to the countless ones for the Millennium Falcon, a ship of similar size?
The Decimator's interior was modelled in Galaxies, which is the game that introduced it, and most people probably go by that. Your image doesn't match the game, though there are general similarities. The game had weird stairs or ramps to get between the bridge and main deck instead of an elevator, and your plan makes the gun turrets remote instead of manned turrets like the game had. In fairness, the layout you posted is probably more sensible than the real one.

>>97871462
>Movie makers never do that because they're afraid of confusing the audience
its called keeping visual consistency
rebels have a more hodge podge look to them or are otherwise curvier than the imperials
the imperials are all geometreic shapes, spheres, squares, hexagons, and triangles

> they're afraid of confusing the audience
visually conveying two sides as distinct and unique is called making a good movie
star wars has strong black and white contrast where you can tell the good guys from the bad guys
this extrends to ship design where the rebel ships are more made of flying junkpiles and clam shells spewing fighters that look sorta like real life fighters while imperial ships are evil triangles that launch evil spheres

>>97871960
>it's for kids therefore quality doesn't matter
Whole movie may as well just be white noise then.

>>97872300
I think it's merch more than anything else. Nothing looks inherently good about an X-wing or evil about a Tie, they're just visually distinct mainly to package and sell two different toys for people to play out fights with. Sadly "because toy sales" is the driving factor behind nearly everything in all 9 movies.

>>97872368
>Nothing looks inherently good about an X-wing or evil about a Tie
face blindness is real

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>>97857383
After countless hours scouring online I decided to just boot up Jedi Academy and try my best to recreate it. Obviously not one-to-one but I think it'll be a fun micro-adventure

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>>97872352
>quality is when the good guys lose and my favorite toys win

>>97872300
There's some sense to this in movies because of the limitations of the medium. Having the Rebels and Imperials use the same ships in an on-screen battle would be confusing with the audience being dumb. It goes overboard when they retcon background material to require that everything has to be that simplified all the time. It gets even worse when they insist on making specific hull outlines be unique to the ship operated by a single character. Again that makes sense in a movie, a comic book, or another medium in which the audience may need to identify vehicles with characters at glance and without additional information (though you'll note that Luke's X-Wing looks pretty nearly identical to the others and that works just fine), but it gets dumb when you say that every character-associated vehicle is totally unique in the setting's universe rather than just being the only one present in the movie. Simplified presentation in a single movie is fine and perhaps necessary. Dumbing down the entire setting based on that principle is not necessary and is not fine, but seems like a pretty common habit in "canon" retcons.

>>97872379
>just have the whole empire fleet self destruct as jarjar steps in poop and then everyone laughs about it and has a fart wedding, the end
You brought Disney on yourself.

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>>97872399
Disneywars is the direct product of people butthurt over the empire losing in ROTJ

>>97872406
>le George Lucas Redeemed shitpost
He spent years whining angrily about Disney and now years saying Disney is good and their Star Wars matches his vision. Lucas is, Sithus forgive me for using this word, a fink.

>>97870857
The lack of scout troopers in Outcast and Academy WAS pretty weird, I'll give you that

>>97872572
there were a couple in outcast but none in JA

>>97872406
You ignore the PT, and almost ten years of clonewars cartoons and comics.
And Disney's stupidity.

I hate space. Its cold and dry and gets nowhere.

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>>97872151
It is not at all uncommon for militaries to phase in new gear and simultaneously phase out old gear, and perhaps also run experimental or stop-gap gear in the meantime. The US, unhappy with the Universal Combat Pattern's performance in the real world, had a brief moment where it was using that for most troops, UCP-Delta, which included browns, as a stopgap interim replacement, and was rolling out the new Multicam-based design to frontline elite units.

>>97872292
>mandalorian movie
I thought that didn't release until May?