I have stolen you're Butte Hold.

>>97916130
>>97916152
I'm having the most fun I have had with a tabletop game in years with Mechwarrior. The game me and my mate did last night was crazy fun, very tense with a lot of back and forth between units.
I genuinely think people saying it's shit are just repeating a stupid opinion their favourite SlopTuber drooled out lol

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Red pill me on the Steel Wolves. Are they cool?

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>>97916161
It's the most fun you can possibly have

>>97916161
>I genuinely think people saying it's shit are just repeating a stupid opinion their favourite SlopTuber drooled out lol
You can enjoy your dead collectible gacha game all you want, I don't care. But the minis look like melted ass and it's not classic so I say it's shit, no e-celeb endorsement necessary. Blind boxes, artificial scarcity, and simplification to appeal to a lower age range are not things I care for in a game.

>>97916169
They're pretty sweet. Hardcore Dark Age Clanners that try to found a new Clan, bash it out with Highlanders, invade Terra, battle the Falcons during their Desant and fight like viscous bastards on Irian.
Cool colour scheme.
Anastasia Kerensky is cool.
I like them :)
They're a faction I'd like to paint and play but I've been unlucky in Mechwarrior and only have 4 Steel Wolves tanks thus far and in Classic and AS I'm playing WoB and RotS.

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>>97916181
Ok buddy.

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>>97916154

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Does anyone have a high quality scan of Mechwarrior Technology of Destruction book? The one I found online was poopoo quality.

>>97916185
Sick, a SW star would work with what you have for Classic. My buddy that is teaching me Clickytech is convinced that I like them for some reason and gave me two named characters to start so I'm going all in. I was pretty sure I told him I played Liao lol

>>97916169
They're probably the clan force I'd paint up if I ever wanted a Clans force. They've a cool storyline and their scheme is interesting. Darkish brown and bright silver is fairly unique. Plus, one of my usual opponents plays Highlanders so it'd be a fluffly af faction to fight him with as the SW invade Northwind twice.

Best location to put the JJs: legs or torsos?

>>97916249
Torsos if you can, if you wade into water anything under depth 1 you cannot use for jumping.

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Continuing on from themes at the end of last thread:
Hating on MechWarrior: Dark Age (“ClickyTech”) has become a meme rebroadcasted mostly by people who actually have no firsthand experience of it either when it was being produced or afterward. This is painfully annoying.
That said, there are some big problems with the game even before you dig into the rules. Younger people probably don’t have a good sense the massive trauma Magic: The Gathering inflicted on the tabletop industry. One result was an obsession with the random, blind buy “collectible” format for selling product, and WizKids was basically founded on the idea of selling miniatures games in this format.
The collectible format entails that gambling-like thrill of “cracking packs” but also serious downsides, especially over the long term, both as a matter of player frustration as well as game design.
>Difficulty assembling a faction-specific force
>Tons of filler game pieces choking the design space/product line
>Set retirement invalidating big portions of your collection in competitive play
This is all before even considering the actual Click mechanic and other rules, which have their own problems. But these elements also had their upsides, in terms of accessibility and ease of play.
Overall, it’s important to keep two points in mind:
>Evaluating ClickyTech as a product range is a very different thing from evaluating ClickyTech as a game. Yes, they’re inextricably intertwined. But the greatest sin of MechWarrior Dark Age is not a matter of its game mechanics; rather it’s the collectible format.
>The product line/game should also not be conflated with the Dark Age as a matter of the wider BattleTech setting. Even if you conclude that ClickyTech was and remains a piece of shit, don’t assume the in-universe era is therefore also shit.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

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>>97916256
Like 90% of the problems people have with MW:Dark Ag is simple: You need minis with dials to play, which means you're grabbing lots of blind-box out of print minis; which are not only out of scale with your normal minis but frankly just not very good looking.

Ugly, incompatible and discontinued are big obstacles to overcome. Not only that DA mechs and BA and so on have not only IWM official sculpts that you can buy, but prints are also extremely easy to access. You don't need to play MW:DA to play DA and a lot of people therefore simply don't want.

I think its performative to rag on it all the time; but it's mostly just a dead curiosity like a butterfly pinned in a box. I don't mind seeing it in the thread every once in a while, but I would find it really annoying if it got spammed regularly. It's something that's impossible to engage with beyond the surface.

I got no MW:DA minis; but I do have "Mercenary Battle Armor", at least as they are now in the form of Black Wolf BA. Mine aren't painted yet so you're gonna have to settle with a promotional shot.

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Questions about this map:
1. Do we have better version so I can read small print?
2. Dose periphery brown spots have names?
3. Why magistracy feminine penis is in Martian space? Also how they managed to grow so big compared to Taurians? Gurl power perhaps?

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>>97916319
3152 map in ilKhan's Eyes Only
Yes. Pic related
Marians invaded MoC but is being counterattacked; The Taurians had civil war+MoC systems are spread out and sparce so the 'color' on the map looks bigger

Would the Clans have been better if they were based off the Meltrandi?

>>97916389
If only the Society made Superheavy Elementals with size of the Protomechs

>>97916243

>They're probably the clan force I'd paint up if I ever wanted a Clans force.

I'm increasingly concerned that mine might be The Society.

>>97916337
Thx. Is that book worth buying if I'm new and want info or should I get ilclan book instead?

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Is it bravery, foolishness or arrogance that makes a man face down a Battlemech in Battle Armor?

>>97916455
>I'm increasingly concerned that mine might be The Society
Based.

>LAMs will never work!
>Why?
>Because they cant use any weight saving tech!
>Why?
>Because reasons! Now nuke all of them!
Why was what's his face so pissed about LAMs?

>>97916566
Because he's a retard.

>>97916566
Transforming doesn't jive well with 'mechs that use an endoskeleton lashed together with myomer muscles.
>b-but muh Macross!
Fuck off, dweeb, that shit was alien magic.

>>97916576
>because reasons
Again, no good reasons why they shouldn't work. Now xl engines? Depends on how the transformation works. So, it might be a by chassis basis.

>>97916576
>Fuck off, dweeb, that shit was alien magic.
Trying Too Hard

>>97916243
>as the SW invade Northwind twice.
They also had the balls (stupidity?) to put boots on Terra in a mad bid for Ilclan-ship.

>>97916582
>Again, no good reasons why they shouldn't work.
I just gave you one, and engines have nothing to do with it.

>>97916576
Four out of five of the QuadVees have endosteel.

>>97916566
Yet he gives us the partial wing?

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>>97916309
>Ugly
A lot of the MWDA models are ugly, it’s true. But so are many of the IWM models. The truth is, a BattleTech fan can find this stuff charming.
>Incompatible
Shrug? MWDA models are not and were never really meant to support Classic BattleTech, so far as I can tell. MWDA is its own gaming system so whether there is cross-compatibility of components with CBT (or AS) is just irrelevant.
>Discontinued
This is what makes MWDA interesting nowadays. It represents a bygone era. For better or worse, it’s part of BattleTech’s history. The game is especially interesting for fully integrating vehicles and infantry by default, not to mention introducing neat stuff like civilian ‘Mechs pressed into military to military service.
>I would find it really annoying if it got spammed regularly.
Why? This is BattleTech General and MWDA is BattleTech. It’d be best to save your health and sanity for more meaningful irritations.
>>97916499
Give me the details, lancemate. What happened here?

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>>97916389
After the death of his father, Nicholas Kerensky and his loyal harem flee the Pentagon Worlds. In exile, Nicholas conceives of a new society drawing from Mongolian traditions and niche kinks of ancient Terra. Twenty years later, he returns at the head of armies composed of later with 8-meter-tall female warriors and conquers the rebellious planets in a campaign known as Operation GIANTESS.
But one of Nicholas’s most ambitious followers, Khancubine Sarah McEvedy, grows disenchanted with Nicholas’s fetish and secretly creates her own force of 10-meter-tall male warriors. For her perverted crimes, she and her followers are abjured and Nicholas calls a Trial of Annihilation against them. McEvedy and some of her followers escape, possibly back to the Inner Sphere. Even two hundred years later, even the mention of giant men drive the Clan Giantesses into a obsessive rage.

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Does anyone know which ‘Mech this represents? I was thinking Opossum but the missile rack is throwing me off.

>>97916648
partial wing, ijj clan pulse boats that bring back the very worst of lamfaggotry waac-tardation he supposedly hates...

furthermore, partial wing, ijj, pulse boats that benefit from all the weight savings of clan xlfe and endo to pack in massive ammounts of clpl and cmpl spam with shit like targeting computers or angel fucking ecm and watchdog cews bla bla bla to be a billion times worse than lams ever were...

>>97916760
Its a case of
>its ok when I do it

>>97916744
Fortress sells it as "IndustrialMech with Variant Arm", I guess it represents nothing except itself.

>>97916744
>>97916808
I am thinking it’s a Carbine CON-9M-J.

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>>97916733
>McEvedy and some of her followers escape, possibly back to the Inner Sphere.
Would explain how the WoB got the technology!

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>>97916860
Is it that time again?

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>>97916882
No. Post 'mechs.

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>>97916925
That's not a mech that's a 55 ton walking pile of disappointment produced in a factory of sadness!

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>>97916925
Hunch: online
Hunch: online
All systems: hunching

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Trying to figure out if these guys are done (minus basing).

>>97916991
Kill yourself fat faggot

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>>97917030
Rude

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>>97916154
>The Falcon Descends! Edition

Fuck yeah, I’ve got a Jade Hawk that just came off the printer last night that I’m going to start painting up today. Going for another Star of Falcons with a Black Lanner, Fire Falcon, Summoner, Jade Hawk, and Loki Mk II.

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>>97917079

>>97916973
>That's not a mech that's a 55 ton walking pile of disappointment produced in a factory of sadness!
Hmm, griffin?

>>97917020
Look cool, now turn on the light for pictures pls.

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>>97917079
Posting my Falcons, one slot open and I was thinking Ion Sparrow but still not sure. Theme is all have jump.
Also bases are yay or nay?

>>97917287
> Also bases are yay or nay?
Eh? Bases are fine.

Where are your elementals? You’re gonna need elementals. Ask anyone who plays clan a lot, elementals are invaluable for clan builds.

>>97917287
A heavy mech would round things out pretty well there I think. I’d go with a Summoner or Night Gyr if you want something that’s all-eras appropriate and keeps on the jump jets theme, but Jade Hawk, Flamberge, or even a Black Python would work if you want something a little rarer.

>>97917332
You can use protomechs as initiative filler instead. Cheaper, faster and longer range than Battle armor. If BA counted for initiative when mounted up or at least kept their tmm when disembarking they'd be a lot more usable.

>>97917460
They're only appropriate historically for a very small slice of the game, though.

>>97917493
They come into use in the tail end of the clan invasion era and technically continue to be used by some clans all the way to ilclan.

>>97917540
>continue to be used by some clans all the way to ilclan.
Like who?

>>97917460
They’re not just initiative filler, those cluster attacks they spam can pack quite a nasty punch. Plus the mere threat of swarming a mech can make some, less experienced, players act funny around them.

But more importantly, they’re actually something in the clan arsenal that’s actually inexpensive, at least if you are using BV. Something that in smaller games becomes critical.

>>97917551
Hell's horses and snow ravens.

>>97917568
>>97917540
Use by the Smoke Jaguars once, and then use by two irrrelevant clans who never do anything, is what I meant by "a small slice of the game"

>>97917573
>two irrrelevant clans who never do anything

Hey man you better watch it, all 3 of us Snow Raven players will get you

>>97917493
>>97917540
>>97917551
>>97917568
>>97917573
>>97917582

Gotta be honest, it took me too long to realize that you all were talking about Protomechs and not Elementals. Kinda had me thinking I’d gone crazy, or entered the Twilight Zone.

>>97917573
They were used by the majority of clans that existed at some point or another by the time protomechs were invented, including jade falcon and steel viper.

>>97917566
Not to mention that a point of elementals can be a goddamn pain in the ass to get rid of if you’re not packing the right gear.

>>97917566

Protomechs are cheaper than a point of Battle Armor so the BV savings argument is incorrect.

Noob stomping is not an aspiration most units or players should really be gunning for, let alone a unit that might do something maybe if they panic and make a colossal mistake. The moment your opponents graduate from gullible idiots who don't know wtf they're doing this argument goes right in the bin.

Battle armor can admittedly do decent damage if they A) get there in the first place, B) survive in range long enough to matter.

>>97917605
Hang on. My understanding of Protomechs was that they were a extreme stop-gap measure Clan Smoke Jaguar concocted and deployed following Tukayyid because their numbers were too depleted to spam elementals anymore, and no longer had (or likely never did have) the industry to quickly replace all the ‘mechs they’d lost. So they developed the protomech as something in between battle armor and a ‘mech that they could produce in large numbers.

But never fully gained popularity among the other clans because they encapsulated the worst aspects of both mechs and battle armor, plus adding new problems unique to the protomech.

>>97917647
Yes, but the majority of clans ended up using them anyway before their popularity fell off.

>>97917079
These look great! Very dangerous!
>>97917287
Love these too!
>>97917281
Eh you can see them well enough. Fun to see 32nd-century Omega Galaxy rocking around in a Coyotl.

>>97917632
> Battle armor can admittedly do decent damage if they A) get there in the first place, B) survive in range long enough to matter.
That’s why you put them on your fastest omnimech and run that fucker over to prime tactical positions as fast as you can.

>>97917662
Of course, but now they aren't serving as an initiative sink and have to spend a full turn at +0 TMM before they can even shoot.

You can't claim you're taking them for a cheap BV initiative filler and carry them around on an omni.

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>fusion engines get heavier as they get more powerful
>not bigger, just heavier

>>97917714
They technically do get bigger if they exceed a rating of 400.

>>97917714
The engine is almost the exact same size, but the shielding around it gets denser and denser to keep it contained. XL engines are also almost the exact same size, but use a lot more of much less dense shielding.

>>97917710
>fling your jump 7+ mech as far up the board as you can on turn 1
>drop elementals into trees or behind a hill

Turn one is the designated “nobody hits anything” turn, you really don’t need to initiative sink that badly on the first turn of the game since everything will be happening at long range and probably with high TMMs. You should be able to have the elementals in position by turn 2 at the latest, which should leave plenty of game time for them to sink initiative and clog up board space.

>>97917710
> You can't claim you're taking them for a cheap BV initiative filler and carry them around on an omni.
I’m not. I’m taking them to wreck shit at an affordable BV so I can field more than 2 points of stuff against, what is likely, a reinforced Lance kitted to the nines. You picking up what I’m putting down?

>>97917714
Ngl an xxxl engine that fills the torsos and reaches into the limbs would be funny. If for no other reason than how terrifying an 8/12 charger with masc and supercharger would be.

>>97917742
Yeah, this is why I always insist that having more crit spaces doesn’t mean the equipment is “bigger” just that it’s more delicate and finicky. I know some of you are saying “no shit, Sherlock” but I have met people who genuinely equate: more crit spaces=bigger equipment. And will do all kinds of logical backflips to explain why an XL engine is bigger than a standard engine despite being lighter.

>>97917742
And it costs a quarter of a billion c-bills, generates 10 heat standing still and 15 on a walk, and dies as soon as anything looks at it funny.

>>97917762
XLs take up space in the side torsos where a standard engine does not, it literally is physically larger.

>>97917734
If you are 7+ tiles up the board even the IS is in medium or close range if they want to be which they probably will if you're dropping elementals off that aggressively.

Oh well, I suppose if you run a star of elementals it probably works due to target saturation. I should see if 5+ elemental/omni drops works on turn 1.

>>97917810
That’s why you dump them behind level 1 hills. The carrier mech moved 7+ at a jump and is probably sitting at +4 TMM, and the elementals should be out of LoS because they can get full cover from a single level 1 hill. Next turn you can jump the elementals around as usual so they don’t get shot up as easily on the drop-off turn.

>>97917573
And the Society, and the Word of Blake, and the Homeworld Clans.

>>97917835
The way this conversation is going, I think the root problem is that anon doesn’t know how to use battle armor.

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I'm starting to really like the Ilclan era. Chuds and chudites, please help. I don't want it to end like this. Not like this...

>>97917929
It's just dark age+ man I don't get it.

>>97917658
Are you seriously suggesting that the Clans are so dense that every single clan had to devote time, resources, and manpower to field a Star or more of Protomechs to learn that they were shit? That not a single khan was capable of observing them being fielded in other Clans and draw the conclusion on their own: “hey these things seem to be shit, I’m probably better off not bothering with them”?

… don’t answer that.

Should 'PPC on the HD' trigger the Forced Withdrawal?

>>97917936
Trying Too Hard

>>97917742
50% of post ilclan clan mechs will use this, that and Improved Heavy ER Pulse Lasers.

>>97917950
>This revolutionary new standard of mech costs 5000bv and loses to two Urbies and a spunky VTOL but is 0.1% better in 1v1s
Yeah that sounds like clanners to me.

>>97917936
Well it wasn't every single clan, but most of them did.
Smoke jaguar, blood spirit, goliath scorpion, jade falcon, steel viper, coyote, cloud cobra, fire mandrill, hell's horses, ice hellion and snow raven.
Protomechs were still in widespread use by the clans as late as the jihad, with their popularity falling off sharply after that, nova cat using them briefly longer, goliath scorpion using them all the way into the dark age, and hell's horses and snow raven never ceasing their production and deployment.

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>>97917079
>>97917287
Oh I forgot to post my original emerald stravags

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>>97916656
>Give me the details, lancemate. What happened here?
After fighting my Dragon's Fury Shiro in melee, the heavily damaged Spirit Cats Warhammer IIC backed away across the board to put some distance between him and the weeb mech.
After pushing his mech, activating it again at the cost of more heat, he shot my Shiro and managed to deal a good amount of damage.
I pushed my formation of Purifier and Infiltrator MKII Battle Armour infantry forward, ignoring his tank and BA, to get more shots on the crippled mech hoping to kill it. While I did a some damage to it, ignoring his non-mech units meant my lads were left standing in the face of numerous Gray Death and Purifier units who had not activated. The resulting shooting attacks from my opponent shredded my infantry and I lost many bases of Battle Armor.
It was worth it though. While many proud daughters of the Amaterasu were gunned down in the name of the Dragon, the damage dealt to the Warhammer IIC meant the next attack finally brought it down.

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>>97918030
The infantry side of the match was a fucking meat grinder from beginning to end. Trike Squads blasted to dust by the Warhammer, bases of BA smacking the shit out of each other all across the left side of the board, my Shiro carving a path through squads of infantry with his ability to divide 5 damage between three targets per turn and so on.

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>>97918030
>Spirit Cats
>>97918023
>nova cat
NEVER TRUST A CAT!

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Still not 100% done, but really liken how these came out

>>97917936
Protomechs aren't actually shit and had huge potential if it was expanded on.

The Society made great leaps and bounds with Protomech technology.

>>97917989
Actually within the correct and honorable range band its a whole 2.5% better

>>97918086
They seem like a concept that was given up on game design wise.

>>97918109
Not really, but ok.

>>97918120
Im glad you agree.

Alright lads, need your guidance.
I have an idea of a campaign set on a true backwater scale where, centered on infantry platoons but including some small very simple vehicles.
But I’m not quite sure what to think about really small vehicles like picrel, the Scout ATV. For example, a stand of infantry represents a platoon (4x 7-man squads) … but does picrel represent a single ATV?
Like one single man driving a glorified dirtbike with a mounted heavy grenade launcher?

>>97918122
I don't, but ok.

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>>97918136
Sorry forgot the pic —
>>97918071
They’re looking even better now! My latest are these >>97917020

>>97918140
I know you do, you said so already.

>>97918147
I didn't, but ok.

>>97918023
True, the sharks never ran them.

I assume they fell out of use because the mandatory DI present in protomeks as well as the number of replacement pilots amd meks they needed to fill a similar role to actual mech pilots surpassed even the Clans' low standards for battlefield life expectancy of a soldier.

>>97918149
I know you did, you said so already.

>97918122
>97918147
>97918161
Cringe

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It's a bit odd that Hell's Horses don't have their own stupid horse quad protomech. It seems like that would be right up their alley even more than the flying horse chad.

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>>97916337
>Marians invaded MoC

>>97918181
It isn't, but ok.

>97918120
>97918140
>97918149
Also cringe what is wrong with you retards

>>97918202
Marian's pretty much kiled any power they had when they sided with the Wobbies.

>>97918262
You get what you pay for.

>>97918264
Was that before or after they digested the Lothian League?

>>97918264
>lorelet

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>>97918264
I'm here for a good time, not a long time, anon.

They should really have made Davion's main color scheme yellow, instead of green or blue with stripes and shits

>>97917332
I don't have any, yet.
>>97917403
I have Summoner and Python and I like later more, gotta try making list with him.
>>97917660
Thx, but you asked what to add and it's hard to say for me when they are this dark.
>>97918027
Nice, give out toxic frog vibe.

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>>97918537
That's why the Dawn Guards are getting focus these days, they're a Davion unit who's actually yellow

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Name this unit? I like this scheme very much.

>>97918548
I'd say the 5th Crucis Lancers

My guess? The Final Annihilation that occurs in the Ilclan era will be the 3rd Star League wiping out the last of Clan Nova Cat in the Clan Protectorate and those who followed the Mystic Kisho into the stars.

>>97916154
Is the flying mech an actual model? That looks sick.

>>97918611
It's a Jade Hawk.

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>>97918623
FUCK that's not the image i meant to attach GOD damn it.

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>>97918623
>>97918630

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>>97918611
Jade Hawk. Is cool.

>>97917403
Black Python dose indeed fit my point limit. Ty.
Only problem is that they stopped using it for some fucking reason.
Also I'm being tempted by Ravens, they too have cool bird mechs.

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>>97918623
>>97918630
I can appreciate the feel of the older pieces, but I honestly think a lot of the mech proportions just look to wonky to my eye.

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>>97918688
even things that are more recent but still old also appeal to me

>>97918688
The scale of that Elemental flying near the Atlas's knee is FUUUUUCKED lol
Lil' nigga be Protomech sized

>>97918577
Fed suns, God damn.

>>97918688
Who the fuck do you have to piss off to be the assigned a role in the infantry fighting in a battle involving multiple Atlas and Timber Wolves?

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Sounds like a great story. Gotta start reading

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>>97918710
You have committed the grevious crime of: Not being born to wealth.

>>97918710
>Here's your SMG, recruit. Now, go stand in the shadow of numerous metal gods of war that most interstellar nations would fight wars to possess.
>Sorry, sir?
>I said fuck you.

>>97918688
>Atlas with LRM10 on LT and RT
why is this not a thing

>>97916495
go to the OP, look for a word there that rhymes with stove

>>97918710
Not everyone has the kind of budget to field “oops, all mechs” divisions.

Just look at the Reunification War

>>97918688
A standard goy stepping onto a battlefield with numerous Atlas and TWolves fighting it out probably has worse chances of survival than someone standing directly infront of a detonating nuke lmao

>>97918710
You go to war with the Infantry you have. Not the Mechs you want, at least until you manage to steal some mechs.

>>97918817
Actually, you should read the TW chapter on infantry. They’re more effective than you might think

>>97918873
Actually, you should learn to realise when something is a joke. It'll make you less of an insufferable cunt.

>>97918902
Dude, chill.

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>>97918934
Don’t you mean “Nova Cats”?

>>97918606
My guess is Ravens, because they're almost out of control and represent a PR nightmare and threat to Alaric. They decided to glass an entire city after he asked them to "take care" of Daoshen and he has no real ability to stop them from taking the same kind of care with him. He could spin Bulldog II: Revengeance as a way to show that his star league is serious and that it's not just clanners playing dressup, because clanners wouldn't ever go after each other for something like that but a star league would.

>>97919008
The final strike of Herb's warship hatred is to annihilate the Warship faction

>>97919008
Also Alaric loves fucking over his allies and the Ravens have so far gone completely unfucked.

>>97919008
>>97918606
>>97919021
>>97919025
As long as the Hell's Horses endure I am happy :)

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>>97917929
I'm just waiting on Alaric to go mad with power and the corrupt decaying empire for the real ludo to begin.

>>97919039
This is a reference to something. But for the life of me I don’t know what

>>97919060
NOBODYTELLHIM!

>>97919084
cast him in

>>97918766
>>Atlas with LRM10 on LT and RT
>why is this not a thing
It's actually the LRM20, some Atlas depictions it is split between LT and RT. I think Mechwarrior 3 had it that way in the intro cinematic.

>>97919060
>he doesn't know

>>97917074
Right? That's almost as rude as posting nudes on a gaming forum in a discussion thread about tactical turn based stompy robot fights.
Kill yourself

>>97919142
>That's almost as rude as posting nudes on a gaming forum in a discussion thread about tactical turn based stompy robot fights.
Wtf?

>>97919114
Few know the truth.

>>97916169
> redpill

What is this, 2016? Grow a pair of balls and learn how to talk like a person. Your faggotry is more welcomed by Succession Wars players

>>97919060
Legacy of Kain

>>97917929
Besides that pants oh head retarded plot to actually make the Wolves win the battle the new era is fine. It is the "dog actually catches the tail and doesn't know what to do".

I'll forever hate whoever wrote the JF invasion of South America. They don't have the ability to check a map and see that Amazon is 3000 km away From São Paulo

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People always say they dont like my photos, idk why

>>97919271
Do you live in Antarctica?

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My Crusader from last thread in a better scene

>>97918606
My guess is the clan Wolf itself. The first clanners to actually set foot in Terra are the Smoke Jaguars and they didn't use this plot yet besides the novel it reveals it.

The Third League is also being placed as totally opposed to the current Clan Wolf. I can see the SL saying that the Wolves actually broke the law and must be annihilated

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Working on an adhoc lance from left over mechs. Going to do a Shadowhawk next and not sure what the last lancemate will be.

Thinking another medium

>>97919271
>>97919279
>Lego 3D terrain
neat. might steal that

>>97919249
>pants oh head retarded plot to actually make the Wolves win the battle
can you elaborate?

Thinking about getting some of the map packs printed out and I'm wondering about portability. Some people seem to suggest that you print stuff as an 18in. x 24in. poster and stored them rolled up in a poster tube, but that's bulky. I would like to keep them in a portfolio or something else I can throw in a backpack, which seems better for printing them on normal 8.5in x 11in. paper (but I'm told this fucks up the scale). What is the best way to make the maps portable, but still keep the right scale?

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Steiner garrison force

I have been playing lots of games in the immediate leadup to the Clan Invasion, you get mostly SuccWar flavor but can sprinkle in a ln upgraded mech here and there for flavor's sake.

It helps a lot of the early IS "upgrades" are straight up bad

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FedCom elite task force

Very high BV lance but I made them as OpFor that the players would not want to have a protracted battle with for a campaign game. Pilots are 3/4 and leader in the Banshee is 2/2.

Also a decent lance to bring against Clanners without needing to run a Level II or padding BV too much. All of those mechs get serious upgrades post Helm too.

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WIP Purple Birds

Have an Orion already, probably gonna toss in an Archer to round it out

>>97919145
Tr00ns itt routinely post pr0n shit. And the mods and jannies, being ghey fag00ts, never do anything about it.

The family and I are moving to Utah come the end of May and was just wondering what the scene is like down there?

>>97919433
What part?

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>>97918071
I see you went with reverse red arm gang.

>>97917929
The best thing about the ilclan era is they're making sure everyone's favourite classics have really fucking neato ilclan era variants.

>>97919437
Moving to North Salt Lake.

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2 Handsome lads for Green Bird.

Imagine if, upon his day of coronation (or whatever big ceremony the clans do to mark the ascension of an Ilkhan) Alaric received among his gifts, a plush Wolverine and an attached message inside reading: “we lived bitch”.

Think that might stir the pot a bit? Get a few jimmies rustled?

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What does he pilot?

>>97919330
Wolf and Jade Falco in 3150 are as small and weak as they've ever been but large portions of the narrative treats them attacking a larger force with equal technology in the most fortified place in the universe as if it's the second wave of the clan invasion.

>see the battleaxe mentioned a couple threads ago
>get a hair up my ass and mess around with what a succ wars era junkyard special version of it would be
>PPCs are expensive, ditch those
>graft on the arm of a centurion-L with the large and small laser
>toss an AC/5 in the other arm
>drop the SRM 4
>toss in a medium laser
>bump it up to 16 heat sinks
>10.5 tons of armor
>accidentally made a zeus except 10 tons lighter

I was going for intentionally sub-optimal weapon choices and still wound up here. I remember reading that someone from FASA did more or less the same with the Battlemaster.

Engine weight scaling really is a mother fucker

>>97919554
Also, just realized this, but by that time, the inner sphere would’ve been dealing with the clans, in one form or another, for a century. They’re not exactly going to be “mysterious” or “enigmatic” anymore. Basically, the houses would, by then, be fully aware of the clans, their history, their customs, their tactics, and their tech. So they should have at least developed some new tactics for fighting them that would counter some of their bullshit. Making fighting them more manageable

>>97919547
Probably a Warhammer.

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RED ARM GANGS REPRESENT

>>97919547
Griffin.

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What mech does The Lightbringer pilot though?

>>97919330
NTA but realistically it should have been impossible to actually take Terra by just showing up in some ships and dropping mechs.

Think about the amount of resources available to the Republic of the Sphere, the amount of time they had to prepare for an invasion the Clans have been talking about openly for more than a century, the entire scale of effort they would have put into defending the single most important location in the entire galaxy.

Nukes would have been used.

All kinds of bullshit electronic warfare shenanigans would have ensued.

You cannot believe that the Republic was capable of setting up The Wall, considered destroying KF drives an acceptable price and had literally no fucking backup plans. No directed radiation weapons that would just cook pilots through their cockpit glass. No weather control devices to disrupt landing zones. No layers and layers of remote and automated defenses.

Mechs would have been completely invalid as weapons at that point because the ships they arrived in would be slag before they even got past Luna.

>>97919145
The fag posting pink mechs here did exactly that, so his cry of "rude" is hypocritical shit.

>>97919639
Probably a Black Knight panted all white.

He would call it the Lightbringer's White Knight or something weird.

>>97919661
Doesn’t he already have a mech? I don’t know, it’s been years since I’ve watched one of his videos

>>97919713
Most likely a Zord since he's a huge Power Rangers nerd.

>>97919754
No, wasn’t like “metallo” or something? Some giant robot from a golden-age comic?

>>97919554
Equal technology is being a bit generous when the most advanced and expensive mechs in the republic's arsenal only had partial clantech weapon loadouts, everything on the mechs besides those weapons being IS tech.

>>97919271
>>97919282
>>97919292
>>97919345
>>97919379
>>97919388
Bro. No judging your painting at all, we all could paint better, but turn your fucking flash off; or whatever maglight you're currently holding in your teeth that's blasting everything with hard shadows.

It doesn't matter how good you paint them they will look like garbage if you're lighting them like they're a possum you found in your trashcans at 3am. If you have nothing better, get some light printer paper and use it as a ghetto diffuser.

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>>97918071
Hell yeah anon

>>97918027
Nice~! I think I'm gonna strip and repaint my pouncer in CJF as well

>>97918141
I suggest going with some 3d prints or... Whatever that 6mm irl wargame website that MCA got his vees from? They sell a lot of stuff that'll work for CBT.

>>97919379
your lighting is atrocious, very hard to parse these photos.

>>97919653
>Fan mail
Have a (You).

I didn't even post >>97917074. lol? I haven't posted in btg in a while, yet the hatin' has been much more intense recently and Nazi-anon has been following me into /wip/ and has become easily identifiable as (one of the) "craftsperg" anons.

... Also I'm not fat and I have been working out and my hips and butt are doing just fine. So hrmpf.

>>97919645
I'm sorry can you point to the mech-scale microwave weapons, weather control systems and massive automated defense systems that the Sphere was supposed to have built? Like, obviously I'm not asking you to point to the empty space where they didn't exist, but like other examples in the lore of these things being made by comparable powers. See, cause so far as I know, only that last one even fucking exists in setting, unless you're proposing RotS was just going to build massive HPG arrays to irradiate large swaths of Terra at HYSTERICAL COSTS and EXTREME DAMAGE to the planet's biosphere.

Not to mention the automated drone defenses you propose would have been extremely politically unpopular, given that the Republic was established in the place of the psychotic religious fundamentalists who used those kinds of defenses in the final desperate days of their reign; and before that the only other system of comparable scale is spoken of with the same kind of horrified reverence as the boogieman, as these AI systems spiraled out of control and became threats to friend as well as foe.

If you're going to start an argument with the word "Realistically", maybe we should take a look at the 'Reality' of the Inner Sphere first instead of just going off half cocked.

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>>97919661
Religious mechs did you say?
DEUS VULT MOFO.

>>97919888
Stormcrow, Pouncer, battle cobra, cougar, adder.

>>97919922
The seams are too visible. When it was convenient to the plot, the RoTS was able to complete break core setting paradigms by doing things like shutting down FTL travel.

When it's time for the republic to fall, suddenly all of their fortification is useless and they can't possibly resist an attack perhaps a quarter the size of the one that Stone led.

So, why isnt there a RAC 10 yet?

>>97920022
I'll concede if the invasion force is in fact that much smaller, it shouldn't have been an easy campaign.

>>97920039
Mw4 mektek rac10 and rac20. Fuck yes.

>>97919888
>I haven't posted in btg in a while
What do you gain by lying like that?

When is CGL gonna put out more Clan Elemental Stars? It seems like they’re perpetually out of stock everywhere.

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>>97920109
-or, barring getting the “correct” minis, I did see these in an online miniatures store, store says they’re supposed to be 6mm power armor, but I think they look bulky enough to pass for BA.

I’m just not familiar enough with BA variants to know if they visually resemble any particular Clan or IS variants.

I could use help with identifying which BA they would best proxy.

>>97920266
That looks more like PA(L) than BA to me, but a lot of PA(L) and BA have pretty bulky "backpacks" with big antenna or at least fat humps in them. It could also just be regular infantry with heavy armor.

>>97920066
It was and Clan Wolf did not do anything special to win. They didn't debut Double Enhanced Imaging or use some novel tactic. They just got to show up with their ships close enough to drop in Battlemechs and piloted them super good. And the best defense against the Republic of the Sphere had come up with was to also just try and pilot mechs even better.

I was making up random examples of shit that RISC should have had prepared for this very, very foreseeable invasion because they literally just handled it like every piss ant backwater planet that got hit almost a century ago just at larger scale. No wacky prototype weapons were deployed. No "fuck it if we lose Terra we lose everything, just use the super weapon!" moments. No repatriating Blakists or dumping out prisons full of mercs and saying 'shoot every furry you see and we can talk later'.

Look at the absolutely insane battle plans drawn up during the Cold War for an idea of what a superpower is willing to do with it's back up against the wall. The RotS should have 100% been willing to deploy nuclear weapons as an opening volley.

Is it insane and completely illegal?

Yes.

Do you think someone in the position of Stone would have given a solitary fuck what people thought about him using them if it meant not losing the single most important planet in the galaxy to the Clans?

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Will be trying out Aces for classic tomorrow. I'll post updates

>>97920109
They said they are remaking the Elemental sculpt and will release a new box
and the other BA/infantry got infinite hold due to how bad the ISBA turned out to be

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>>97920266
I agree with >>97920299

Those are a little light even to be IS Standards or similar; but you could make a case for something like a P12 Tornado; which is basically a trooper-ized Nighthawk. It's light and doesn't have any weapons stapled to it (except for the G13s), so it kinda matches them carrying big-ass BA rifles.

>>97920314
Stone intended to lose. The Republic couldn't last, but a new star league might. Losing was his victory.

>>97920320
> and the other BA/infantry got infinite hold due to how bad the ISBA turned out to be
Yeah, never did pick up a box of ISBA,
1) didn’t know what they were supposed to be (only recently learning that they are called “IS standard”), let alone know where to find their stats
2) BA just feels out of place among the Inner Sphere forces. Just kinda seems like mostly a Clan thing.
3) I could, without knowing anything about the ISBA, could predict a number of problems with them. Most notably, Clans have a variety of ways to move Battle Armor around the battlefield, that the IS doesn’t really have and would struggle with.

>>97920415
Do you want to know how I know you are extremely new to this setting?

>>97920415
BA can hitch a ride on any omnimech, omnimechs started being produced by the great houses a couple years after the clan invasion began. The capellans also invented magnetic clamps in 3062 so that BA equipped with them could even ride non-omnimechs as well.

>>97920487
Not to mention the patron saint of PBI deployment, the Karnov, is available since forever.

>>97920494
And the other patron saint, the Maxim got both a field refit and factory rebuild just for BA.

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>>97920107
I post mechs?

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>>97920325
>>97920299
Got it.

By the way, same site also has these in 6mm:

They’d probably make good Roc protomech proxies that don’t look cartoonish.

Well, the one on the left does at any rate… I’m sure there’s a protomech that also has an arm-mounted gun and 2… SRM2s

>>97919888
Get fucked faggot, I've been in /wip/ for years.
If you want to spread your infection, take your shit to reddit.

Would it be possible to pull a covert ops with mechs... in 3025?

>>97920700
Night time insertion via a deep river, laser weapons are silent.

>>97920700
CUMSTAIN. constantly.

>>97920567
They're a little small for Protomechs from what I got. They're a good size for heavy/assault Battle Armor

Lasers poke holds in the atmosphere, which closes with clapping noises, scaling up to thunder for the vehicle models

>>97920494
Does air-dropping from a VTOL work just like hopping off an omnimech? Like the Karnov flies across the map and then the BA get placed in the same hex and that's it?

>>97920700
The entire reason Comstar uses all white for their military is that all white is ironically the black ops color. If you get hit by plain white mechs with no markings, no serial numbers, and no ID on the pilots, then you're on the wrong end of a black op. Comguard had a particularly good black op while painted all white and some dipshit thought it was so nice that they kept it going forward even after unveiling themselves publicly, which should have been yet another big giant red flag to add onto the entire pile of big suspicious red flags comstar was waving in everyone's faces, because white is the sneaky underhanded warcrime color.

>>97920756
By the time the Com guard revealed themselves everyone who mattered knew comstar was basically the sixth successor state.

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>>97920729
That might be due to a lack of a reference of scale.

Which is hard to judge.

Best I can find on the site is this photo showing them next to other 6mm minis.

>>97920735
As long as the BA has jump jets, then yeah, pretty much.

Without the JJ, the karnov would have to land before unloading the BA.

>>97920766
I bought some, they're smaller than you're probably thinking. The minis I got are very detailed, but they're only about as big as the IWM Leonidas sculpt. That does make them pretty sizable, but they're still smaller than the other Protomech minis.

>>97920771
I guess that's effectively paying 499 BV to teleport your BA into place on Turn 1, but I don't know if that's worth it outside of some specific campaign mission where you need BA to secure something as early as possible.

>>97920722
Please explain what you mean by this

>>97920784
The trick to the BA Karnov I suppose is that dropping the BA is easy; picking them back up again is the hard part.

There are cheaper options even in the Karnov itself if you don't want (or need) defensive weapons or ECM; but you get quite what you pay for.

Honestly I think Cavalrys are substantially meatier and faster, though the BA Karnov is plenty cheaper in Cbills. For cost effectiveness though Warrior H-10s are even better than the Karnov though.

>>97920784
It's great for slow BA like the Kanazuchi that only move 1. Without the ability to pre-deploy them, they can't reach the combat zone on their own, and a VTOL solves that.

The Kanazuchi lacks jump jets, but there's a rule to deal with that in TacOps: You can deploy them via zipline harpoons launched from the helicopter. Yes, it's as over the top and ridiculous as it sounds.

>>97920859
He's being weird and is referring to comstar.

>>97920868
I wonder why he can't just use normal people words. Do you think he talks like this to people in person?

>>97916154

>>97920781
Since I’ve at least purchased the basic infantry from this once already as well, so I know how tall they appear, it kinda makes it sound more like IWM’s battle armor minis are grossly out-of-scale.

Which I can believe. I remember some people at my LGS once complaining about how oversized some of the mechs they bought from IWM were.

And to be honest. Pictures of IWM elementals, when compared to CGL’s plastic elementals, also look wildly oversized while the plastic ones look mostly in-scale.

>>97920871
Who can say?

>>97920882
Yeah, they're 10mm-12mm scale compared to the mechs being 6mm. If I remember right, Protomechs are also out of scale, so it's all out of whack. I was considering kitbashing the khurasan 6mm mechs into being Grey Death Heavies since no one's made minis of those yet.

>>97920864
I think the Warrior H-10 is the only one I'd use in a pick-up game due to BV squeeze.

>>97920897
>>97920882
I have a guy in my local group who insists that Battletech was originally a 10mm scale game and got retconned to 6mm. He's never provided anything to back that up though, and I know he's an idiot for other reasons.

>>97920907
I don't know about that, but I do know pretty damn well that the metal Battle Armor at least is 10mm-12mm because the metal minis I got have Inner Sphere Battle Armor taller than any other 6mm infantry by nearly twice as much.

>>97920912
Which is just disgraceful if you ask me. I mean, I know other companies do it, like GHQ has their 1:286 infantry scaled slightly bigger than true scale to get more detail, but the difference is so small you actually have to pull up photos of the real thing with people standing next to it to spot the scale difference.

Having battle armor be so out-of-whack it’s nearly at a completely different scale is just obscene.

>>97920936
I'd be willing to headcanon that some of the generic suits or Inner Sphere suits are big because they had to use unconventional methods to be able to compete with Clan Elementals, but it does get ridiculous as you get more minis.

On the subject of BA, what is their most useful role in all-purpose force? I haven't really found what I want to use them for, but I've got a ton of the little fuckers, enough for every faction force I have.

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>>97920882
Almost nothing is in scale as far as Battletech minis go. The CGL heavies and assaults are in a larger scale than their lights and mediums so they're even more biggerer than they should be, and of course IWM stuff is all over the place. It's not like the game board is actually meant to be a birds eye view of the real battle, it's more like a tactical plotting table. Probably a hologram or something in the command room of the unit's dropship.

WoB guy from a thread or two ago

Still trying to decide what to put in my first company. I'm happy with some WoB classics. Can you do Celestials without Manei Domini?

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>>97920299
> PA(L)

Hey, um…
Where are the actual rules for Power Armor (Light) for classic Battletech?
I assumed they’d be in TW, but… surprisingly no… or at least I’m not finding them in the Infantry Chapter.
So which book are they in?

also, Mechanized Infantry rules are still hard to follow

>>97921000
Celestials are all equipped with small cockpits, anyone can pilot them, the militia were given a few. But, owing to the small cockpit, it would be unwise to give them anything short of an above average pilot to counteract the PSR penalty.

>>97920907
Probably an idiot since the mechs were the 1st thing ever made for the game, and they’ve never been massive.

>>97921027
PA(L) are the worst kind of battle armor instead of being the best kind of infantry.

I want Battletech comics soon

>>97921033
This, PA(L) are lumped with Battlearmor rules.

>>97921027
They use the same rules as Battle Armor. They're like ultralight BA, which means they're actually pretty shitty. Tornadoes have like two pips of armor, one infantry rifle per suit, and aren't any faster than normal infantry. And they come in groups of six, so they don't even shoot as hard as a squad of rifle infantry (because that's seven rifles). They can be good spotters due to being hard to hit from a distance and could sit in a building if that's an objective but they're not good for much else. If it didn't warp initiative really badly, I'd say take whole platoons/level IIs of them, but I personally wouldn't do that without houseruling their initiative so they move by platoon rather than by squad.

>>97921033
For the individual PA(L) trooper, at the very least they don't get strafed by machineguns by the dozen

>>97919425
>Instagram/TikTok spellings
Fucking KYS

>>97920415
>BA just feels out of place among the Inner Sphere force
Retard.

>>97921156
NTA, but pron was used on old 4chan because it's a common keyboarding mistake, and ghey goes back to at least dial-up AOL chat rooms. Substituting numbers for letters to avoid language filters I'm pretty sure is a gamer chat thing. Troon is the only buzzword that was popularized after Instagram and Tik Tok were created, the others are all pre-web 2.0

>>97921190
>>97921156

Anastasia Kerensky is almost 50 during the Battle of Terra and Alaric Ward was 40. But the Clans still listen to and follow them. I thought the clans loathed old people and saw them as worthless due to not dying with honor?

>>97921194
If you're going to shit on someone you should do your best to be technically correct. Ascribing ancient memes to current era bugbears just makes you look underage.

>>97921203
underage fag00ts love pretending they're not.

>>97921205
>>97921156

>>97921200
The Clans respect success. They're not a death cult, you don't have to die young, it's just that if you live a long life without earning distinction then are you even trying? Such people should have the decency not to use up valuable clan resources to perpetuate their mediocrity, so dying in battle is seen as at least providing value while preserving honor. Your blood-named rockstars get respect at all ages because they are blood-named rockstars. They provide value that would be irresponsible to waste, and they will be respected as long as that remains true.

>>97918710
I would imagine the average soldier in the inner sphere is an infantryman. Mechs should be somewhat rare actually.

>>97921200
It's a really aggressive form of up or out where you need to be constantly being promoted, It's fine for blood named senior officers to be old as long as they keep winning. If they ever lose obviously they are too old and need to have their throats cut by their subordinates right away.

>>97921200
The Clans loathe old people that haven't proven themselves and earned sufficient glory. Like a BloodName. If you were just Anon, aged 30, then your ass is getting a solahma posting. But if you were Anon Moot, who had earned his BloodName in the Trial of BloodRight, then you are getting the respect you deserve as a decorated veteran who sits as part of the Clan Council of Clan 4Chan. And as long as you're in a posting where you get sufficient action, none will question it. If you don't, then you're expected to have to retake your Trial of Position to prove that you're still fit for duty to the Clan. All that is of course discounting your peers and those above and below you trying to start shit for their own gain.

Quick question, does anybody know how to get NOVA team settings to work in Megamek? Because I set the group up, just like I would for a C3 group and then it just forgets it.

>>97921051
>>97921056
Wait. I think I saw something in TW saying…
… saying that Inner Sphere Battle Armor squads are organized into groups of 4… just as if they were tiny mechs…

… and if PA(L) is still using infantry-scale weapons and not the mech-scale weapons like true BA…

… WTF is 4 goddamn rifles supposed to do? Tickle the mechs?! I need to look into this deeper in the morning.

>>97921497
Why do you...
...type like...
...a faggot...?

>>97921497
Ack on the cockpit glass in hope that mechwarrior will trip and fall.
Next trooper in line picks up the rifle/armour and ack again.
Very economic warfare for IS as it dosnt use ammo.

>>97921497
PA(L) is special forces gear intended for commando missions, not trying to directly fight mechs. It's got stealth armor and electric warfare equipment. If it's spotted by the enemy, something has already gone wrong.

>>97916337
Why is the Wolf Empire still on this map? Shouldn’t Clan Wolf’s abandonment of that territory be reflected in the same way that Clan Jade Falcon’s abandonment of the CJF Occupation Zone is reflected?

>>97921764
Clan Wolf isn't allowed to lose even when they do lose. You should know that by now?

>>97921907
The day we stop calling it out is the day the win forever

>>97921764
Theres still some forces there and it takes time especially with hiw slow interstellar travel is. That map is a year after the RotS took the knot, the FWL didnt start chewing through until after the Goons got their shit together AFTER the battle for Terra.

Itd be nice if Trillian got her shit together for once and announced a Lyran reconquista or some shit. Id like the Lyrans to get some of their worlds back and the Hinterlands and the border with the Wolf Empire offers a lot of opportunity for player campaigns that are Lyran funded expeditions into these areas.

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>>97921013
Yeah man

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flyingdebris seems to be bulk uploading/reuploading items to his deviantart recently including some concept art.

>>97920567

The less stylized look would be good for representing the Society versions that came with Mag-Clamps.

>>97922370

This artstyle seems familiar... is this the same guy who does the early Front Mission stuff for Square?

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>>97922621
Couldn't tell ya. Might be Amano.

Did anything ever come from the plotline of all those Smoke Jags coming to the Brotherhood of Randis? I know there was some blurbs about a bunch of warriors showing up but not admited yet.