>>98113665
I tend to like a high level of strangeness mixed in with psychic or otherworldly intrusion that caused the collapse of life as we know it.
Apocalyps World has been a go to for this for ages. Things like the moon being an alien base that exploded and rained mutating asteroids on the earth, angler fish with psychic lures, biker gangs with symbiotic alien appendages. AW isn't overly focused on realism and is for shorter campaigns so it holds together enough for about 10-12 and that's about all that kind of setting can sustain ime.

The Quiet Year is a fun map making post apoc game.

Only played Gaslands a bit but had a good time with it, very low barrier to entry and something about hotwheels gets people engaged.

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>>98113665
I liked Neuroshima because I used to be a retarded polack but I moved far away from there, changed my name and face to better justify my new citizenship.

>>98113665
I like Mutant Future. It's simple.

>>98116003
I thought it was out of print. What do you like about it over Gamma World, MCC, or Ashes?

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I like AWN. I used to plug content from Mutant Future into Vaults of Vaarn and it worked great. Also, it is not exactly Post-Apoc, but I do love TTRPGing in S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Zones is my fav right now.

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>>98113665
>What systems do you find work best?
I'm using refluffed Myriad Song for a sci-fantasy post-apocalyptic game drawing a lot of inspiration from Destiny. It's working well enough I'm several years into it now.
Planning a more gonzo 80-90s setting afterwards. Was going to try out RIFTs but I've been told it's mechanically clunky and dated. Might lean towards Savage Rifts or Genesys instead.

>>98113665
I'm planning on running some Mutant Crawl Classics this summer. I have an idea for a weird sort of settlement management thing I want to fuck with. I really like the implied setting that MCC has.

Vaults of Vaarn is tight as hell too.

>>98119110
>>98119189
>Vaults of Vaarn
I'll have to check it out if it's being rated so highly.

I like that AWN is really flexible in the types of games you can run, and the tools for creating the crisis scenarios in addition to the hexcrawls is really playable.

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>>98119355
>I'll have to check it out if it's being rated so highly.
NTA, the mechanics aren't everybody's cup of tea, they are based on KNAVE 1e but with to-hit and a little more crunch than anything Knave, but still less crunch that most OSR, I personally would not tolerate it if it wouldn't had to-hit rolls but it does. The GM tools are good, not the best, but encourages one to develop/homebrew better/taylored ones. The setting is kind of fun if you are into Post-Post-Apoc gonzo psychedelic sci-fantasy, also since it is so eclectic you can insert gonzo content from other RPGs and the tone will accept it and would feel natural. Leo's original art is charming in an amateurish way. The community is relatively large for a niche thing, and they share lots of content, homebrew and 3rd party, but the quality varies widely. So enjoying VoV is kind of an acquired taste, but is great fun if you get to adjust your expectations. I sincerely prefer it to Numenera (which is very close to VoV in genre/settng), for me it is better in both setting/lore and mechanics/ruleset than Numenera, despite not being as polished, Numenera despite its polish, feels clunky and doesn't "coagulated" for me as Vaarn did.

Are there any systems that handle irradiated or poisonous environments well? As in, mechanically interesting and not merely "put on radiation suit/gas mask and forget about the hazard entirely".

>>98119409
Yeah, something about Vaarn clicks (in 50 pages) in a way that Numenera never did for me. It really captures that weird fiction, Dark is the Sun, Book of the New Sun weird fiction feel in a way that nothing else has.

I'm hoping the newly Kickstarted edition actually sticks around for a second so I can pick it up, it's everything in the zines plus a bunch of new material like Settlement generators, which I'm very interested in, but I don't want to have to pay four times what it's worth on the secondary market.

>>98119414
I mean, usually it's just damage and damage mitigation, right? A more gonzo system might have a chance for mutation as well. What would be a "more interesting" system, in your estimation?

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>>98119355
>I like that AWN is really flexible in the types of games you can run, and the tools for creating the crisis scenarios in addition to the hexcrawls is really playable.
I like it too for the same reasons, but it's totally a different thing to VoV, I don't even consider VoV as post-apocalyptic. As you wrote AWN could be made into lots of post-apoc subgenres or franchises, for example I'm running a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. campaign with it right now and it is going great so far, I just had to do some little homebrewing and its set to keep going for long, we are using heart of chornobyl's zone map and I just added some hexes over it. That's a thing I couldn't do with Vaarn, if I would try to run a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. campaign with Vaarn it would just end being Vaults of Vaarn in the end, with an odd S.T.A.L.K.E.R. cherry on top.

>>98119110
>>98119431
I got Ashes Without Number around the same time as I started playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R Gamma and I really want to do something similar.

Competing factions, radiation, strange artifacts, ammo and resource scarcity and mutants and the like.

However instead of the chernobyl exclusion zone it would be a hard to reach island of the coast of the UK with random soul eating fog as opposed to blow outs.

>>98119702
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>>98115914
>Neuroshima
based & pierogipilled

We should do a post-apoc general from now on.
Even a post-apoc trove too.

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>>98113665
>What are your favorite kinds of post apocalyptic scenarios to run or play? Mutant wackiness like Gamma World, zombie hordes, natural disasters or civil wars?
All Flesh Must Be Eaten is dogshit
Dead Reign is what Eden wishes they had made instead of the Witchcraft abomination AFMBE

>>98115914
>changed my name and face
To where do you moved to? Fukushima?

>>98120033
LOL that image
>"What does a female feels when using dating apps"
>One of the zombies just facing away, not feeling the vibe, "Yeah, fuckit, I'ma outta here guys, the squeeze is not worth the juice."
>Why the zombies aren't into attacking Chad? "I guess only foids are into Chad."

>>98120045
take your meds

>>98120020
I did see Zones but held off on buying it. This might be a good excuse, thanks!

Big issue I'm facing is that Stalker seems to be dripping with atmosphere and that living world feel.

Not sure how I would translate that over to not just a ttrpg and a different setting.

How does everyone else make their players feel like they're in a larger world/wasteland?

>>98119702
A lot of the tags and enclave/faction stuff are system neutral, and don't require the full version of Ashes. You can just lift them.

>>98120513
Things shouldnt be static. The factions should be making moves behind the players whether the players are interacting with them or not. If the players clear a bandit camp and leave it, something else is going to move in. Factions are going to fight battles over territory even though the players are on the other side of the map.

I'd also come up with generators for how the environment is constantly, subtly changing. Nothing should be static.

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>>98120513
>How does everyone else make their players feel like they're in a larger world/wasteland?
Instead of them having random encounters, have they find the left-overs of someone's else random encounter.

For example: caravan is trashed and barely anything organic is left. Checking things carefully shows a cut-off mandible here, a bit of non-human blood there. It seems they met a column of giant soldier-ants, which carved up and carried all the meat, plants and water, leaving the scrap, guns and clothing of synthetic fibers. It would be a nice loot if not for the issue that your group needs clean water more than ammunition right now. This particular species forms temporary hives out of themselves, hibernating around the organic hoard the roaming columns build up. How do you feel on entering a dungeon which is sleeping?

Besides that, some of the caravan leftovers might point out they come from unknown lands, like open cans which say "Underbeaches Crabbies", or a pneumatic pistol engraved with "Good Peaks mark II". Names that suggest and might be expanded later, IF the players get enticed.

Besides "Objective: Survive" what makes a post apocalyptic game fun and different from a more typical campaign?

>>98122521
Exploring the ruins of an unknown future? The ability to rebuild a society in any way you see fit? The power fantasy of the disintegration of the old ruling elites power structures?

Why do people act as if the only post apocalyptic stories are the walking dead? As I said in another thread, if you look at most post Apoc gaming, it has a *lot* in common with the assumptions of old d&d. The biggest post Apoc franchise in the world (to the best of my knowledge, maybe there is some post Apoc Korean show that is massive popular in SEA) isn't really about "objective:survive" at all.

>>98122573
I feel like even in more gonzo GW or Mad Max style games, privation and the harsh environment is a more serious and session relevant concern than even OSR style D&D.

>>98122903
Not really? In osr style d&d, how much food and torches your brought with you is possibly the most important thing you've got to worry about at lower levels.

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>>98120513
>Big issue I'm facing is that Stalker seems to be dripping with atmosphere and that living world feel.
Key is just drenching yourself with lots of lore, I guess lots of GMing is just more art than science.

>Not sure how I would translate that over to not just a ttrpg and a different setting.
Provide them props (even virtual, like images and such), Music (There's lots of exclusion-zone-related ambient), Help yourself with the wiki and steal moods, characters ideas and tropes from the lore.

>How does everyone else make their players feel like they're in a larger world/wasteland?
The zone's map helps a lot, it gives a spatial coherence to all that, then there's the zone's ecosystem, and I don't mean it by just the mutants and such, but also the factions, the anomalies, the radiation spots, the artifacts, etc. The usual game loop of improving little by little from going against all, etc.

STALKER is kind of limited compared with other exclusion zone fiction, it is less "psychedelic", I guess because the video games are pretty self-contained stuff, but if you want to add more "weird" into it, you should check other exclusion-zone fiction outside of STALKER, like Area-X and the original Roadside Picnic.

Other source of tools and inspiration could come from other TTRPGs like "Zone of Exclusion" and "QZ", these are more fantastical than the more self-contained STALKER stuff and have good GM tools in the form of tables and such.

I loved the idea of that anon making his zone at an island in england, and the fog, etc. I had my own campaign originally set on a huge area between USA and Canada, north of Detroit, to give it a "Roadside Picnic" vibe, I used a program called Hexthingy to create hex overlays to use with actual google earth maps. Then I supported myself lots on the GM tools from Zones, QZ and ZoE.

Made a compilation of "Zone" fiction, a single pdf at 2k pages, and when I feel stuck I just roll for a page in the huge-ass pdf, and get inspired by it.

>>98122955
I actually want to rely a lot on resource management and such in my game but I've not actually played many OSR games before. Resource tracking and gauging travelling times and PLANNING a operation into a bunker sounds really cool but does it get tedious in practice? I imagine it needs the right kind of players.

>>98120948
This is really cool. Lots of potential threads for the players to note down to investigate or ignore as they desire.

>>98123520
There's a lot of good ideas here. Your zone sounds really cool, I'd love to hear more.

I have...general ideas, mainly that fog island comes and goes throughout history and is very hard to access due to a permanant fog wall that surrounds it. It's been locked in place between England and Ireland for about 15-20 years now although was compelty cut off by the fog for about 10.

Factions I thought up so far:

Sovereign - Duty stand-in. UK detachment sent in 20 years ago before being cut off and basically self sufficient for a decade before recontact. Nominally "under the command" of the UK gov. Also, given that the island is closer to Ireland than UK, legally they've annexed the island from ireland.

The Locals - Descended from pre roman britons and irish along later irish that arrived around 1600, fleeing from Cromwell when the island popped up again. Retained alot of iron age culture but are not primative. In an insurgent war with Sovereign.

Mercs - Standard merc company with a small twist. The leader along with looking for the secret of eternal life for his super rich bosses is also investigating burial mounds and crypts for necromantic artifacts/knowledge. I was inspired a bit by loads of cool drawings of OSR mindless skeletons and wanted them in the game. Then I thought it would be cool if they wre in kevlar and kitted out with shotguns and lmgs and outsourced to Blackwater for sale to warlords.

Some kind of robot faction - Still thinking on this one.
Bandits - still thinking
Monolith standin maybe

>>98120033
Here's the thing AFMBE and Dead Reign both don't want you to realize:

Just about every freaking game out there has rules for zombies. Because of this a "zombie specific game" is about as necessary as an "attack dog specific game". The only question is how good is the system for general use, since both of those systems suck.

AFMBE is good for when you don't know what kind of zombie game you want to run, and need some inspiration for use in a different and better system.

Dead Reign is good for when you want to roll on a bunch of random tables to generate stuff for use in a different and better system.

>>98113665
Depends on what I'm wanting I guess.

Character focused kitchen-sink apocalypse? Deadlands: Hell on Earth for the weird horror with a 70's vibe, or Savage Worlds Low Life for the absolute bizarre ridiculousness.

Faction driven world reclamation? Legacy Life Among the Ruins.

Post-post-apocalyptic, where society has rebuilt and there are still vestiges of the super tech sitting around? Exalted 2ed.

PA game I'm waiting to be translated into English? Tsukuyumi. Love the board game, looking forward to the TTRPG.

Always hold a place in my heart: Rifts. The system is so bad it hurts the setting (which is a feat!), but I'm still too fond of the original to consider switching to Savage Worlds (even though it really does do a better job).

>>98124695
>Also, given that the island is closer to Ireland than UK, legally they've annexed the island from ireland.
Sounds touchy, heh.

>The Locals
Nice, gives "land of the lost" vibes.

>Mercs
A modern merc lich lord sounds great, heh.

>Some kind of robot faction - Still thinking on this one.
I like gonzo settings, like Fallout, Rifts or Vaults of Vaarn, and those have robots too, recently I found Breachworld and the mini-six system is great.

>Bandits - still thinking
In my setting bandits are powerful, with ties to either corpos or mobs, they profit from the zone, and bribe the military, unregulated capitalism is a hell of a drug. And as in Anomaly/Gamma lore, mercs are their allies.

>Monolith standin maybe
You need a monolith stand-in for sure, or at least some sort of weird religion/cult tied to the zone, people should be amazed by the zone's "miracles" and put religious connotations to it, or just be manipulated by paranormal agenda, etc.

I liked the original idea of Shadow of Chernobyl development bible, it was going to have aliens and illuminatti, but they had to tone it down.

>>98125228
Rifts seems pretty intimidating to get into ngl, because it feels like power levels are all over the place for player and enemy options. Very gonzo setting,

I love Apocalypse World, and hope that will not rustle too many jimmies.

(more interestingly, I'm not sure I've ever seen an interesting take on postapo in RPGs, aside from that)

>>98113665
>in the spirit of a Canticle for Leibowitz

Dope book, but the idea sounds pretty boring in play.

>>98120034
Fukuoka, actually.

>>98115914
>Neuroshima
Welp, there goes the thread.

>>98128097
Apocalypse World has some interesting bits, but it totally loses me with some of it. It's like it's trying to emulate a niche show that I'm not familiar with rather than the genre of post apocalypse. There's too many specific things about the implied setting for it to be generalist enough for me, and I dislike what is implied about the setting.

>>98129372
>Apocalypse World
>implied setting
...There was some sort of psychic apocalypse is about it. Doesn't even have to have that if you want, just don't use the Brainer playbook.

>>98129447
One of the basic moves is about opening yourself up to the psychic maelstrom. It's a pretty big part of the implied setting. "Just ignore it, bro!" is dogshit advice. I will just ignore it, by not playing the game.

>>98128085
>power levels are all over the place
Oh yeah, for sure. Game balance wasn't really a consideration in that era. Trivially easy to make broken characters if you know what you're doing.

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>>98125228
>but I'm still too fond of the original to consider switching to Savage Worlds (even though it really does do a better job).
Have you tried Savage Rifts?

>>98129528

It's like the only part, and very fucking vague.

>>98128097
>Dope book, but the idea sounds pretty boring in play.
I mean in the sense that there are orders of monks preserving pre apocalypse knowledge from iconoclastic raiders in the wastes

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I just got done watching a video on a Megami Tensei game that I never heard of. It's another of the post apocalyptic ones, so it got me wanting to run a hexcrawl post apoc game. I'm not really sure what kind of system would work since I usually just stick with fantasy so are there any good ones that have fantasy elements as well as guns? Are there any specific systems you would recommend for this kind of feel?

>>98133061
Rift? Breachworld?
If it is very custom, I would use some WWN injected into AWN.

>>98133061
The path of least friction is mashing WWN into AWN imo, or vice versa if you want more of a fantasy feel

>>98134759

How well does this work? I know all the Sine Nomine games are supposed to be compatible but not sure how it works in practice.

>>98135328
>How well does this work?
Highly compatible, works well, almost frictionless. Props and NPCs mix flawlessly, for character creation and advancement just refer to the book your character is based at.

Ran the Gamma World mini module for players and they had a good time with it. It was

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Gonna be starting an apocalyptic game soon with Ashes Without Number cause why not. It's a 1-on-1 PbP game. There's basically a warlord who has control of the only functional oil refinery, so if you want gas, it has to come from him in some way. My question is, how realistic would this be for apocalypse + 30 yrs where the world population is 0.1% of what it was before?

>>98137548
I mean, not particularly. A refinery relies on a complex and often global supply chain, and a 99.9 population reduction would probably send you back to the stone age.

As a story? It's great.

>>98137579
Refineries are also essentially giant bombs that require a massive amount of people with specialized knowledge to not fucking explode. And sometimes they still explode.

But, like anon said, who cares? Make it ran by robutts or something.

>>98128085
Honestly, it's a slog at every step of the way, RAW.

You can cobble together a semblance of balance by requiring everyone to make characters at the same "tier" of play. So like Tier 1 are normies with nothing too special. Like a human Rogue Scholar, a human Headhunter, and so on. Tier 2 is the same as Tier 1, but now they have some optional psychic powers too. And maybe add some Dog Boys or Psi-Stalkers to the mix. Tier 3 you're getting into mechs and crazies and juicers and cyborgs and spellcasters and stuff. Tier 4 is like Godlings and Dragons and high end war mechs that regenerate (or Glitter Boys). But expect to keep the players on a leash during character creation regardless.

As for gameplay, simply establish some NPC characters are "unnamed" and triple all damage they take (kinda' like the "Extra" or "mook" status in other games). This will speed up combat immensely, and recapture a feel that the setting is deadly while making PCs seem more badass.

The game's still a mess, but those two steps should help.

Or just play Breachworld as an Epic.
Man, Breachworld is such a modern tragedy underdog, ugly name, ugly art.

What survival and encumbrance rules do you like to use? How important is bringing enough or running out of supplies to your games?

>>98142945
>survival
Something abstracted, a meal and water every 24 hrs, is fine.

>encumbrance
Something like Sine Nomine games, or Mausritter.

>How important is bringing enough or running out of supplies to your games?
Kind of important, enough to make abstractions to make it playable, but not going fully into ultra-detailed simulationism, volume and mass, I don't count Kilograms or Pounds, but supplies are important, so is a problem when running out of them.

>>98142945
encumbrance calculated off of strength and a separate lootbag capacity, food and water are included but consumed automatically during adventuring in ruins or bandito camps, securing those is either automatic or a mini adventure if the PCs aren't focused on anything better.

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>>98142945
Usually something simple and abstracted like a set of tickable boxes called
>fuel
>ammo
>supplies
and marking them as used when appropriate contextually without getting too involved in the specifics because very little about post apocalyptic cars or power make much sense if you get into the specifics for very long.

Been looking at UVG's Caravan stuff and find some of it appealing in measurements but haven't done the math to make sure it actually works and the authoer isn't really a math and functional systems kind of guy.

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What are some underrated apocalyptic wastelands? I really enjoy the haunting desert of Now and Then, Here and There. And I think its premise fits really well with any system with some sort of trauma or psychological breaking mechanic.

>>98148727

Abandoned suburbia

>>98148771
Suburbia is really cool. You can look at parts of Detroit to see nature reclaiming things, and it's quite eerie.

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>>98148771
Coincidently considering the S.T.A.L.K.E.R discussion above, irl Chernobyl is a good example of this if you are looking for inspiration.

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now that you anons mentioned breachworld, had you also played anarchy?
It is also based on OpenD6, but it is not gonzo-kitchen-sink like breachworld, but still post-apocalyptic.

Even if you don't like D6, It has good GM tools and random tables, (since it was made by the Dicegeeks guy)

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>>98149852
The nice thing about S.T.A.L.K.E.R. as a setting is that it has abandoned suburbia, forests, swamps, etc. There's even a novel, Southern Comfort, which happens in the afghan desert.

>>98145573
Which character sheet do you use for UVG?
I like the one from... Our Golden Youth I think? That has attack and defense for physical, mental and social damage. But it doesn't feel that compatible with UVG. Luka keeps changing them for each game and I can't tell if it's to fit the game or if he's trying to reinvent the wheel over and over again.

>>98148727
I wouldn't say underrated, but this one is a bit different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRnfgHqup8
>Summary: In the future, natural disasters (earthquakes, floods) have ravaged Earth, leaving a world where pockets of communities live within canyons while a violent wind known as the "slipsteam" is the only means of transport, via airplanes. Matt Owens is a nomadic adventurer who kidnaps a prisoner ("Byron") of two violent law officers so he can claim the bounty for himself. Traveling across the wind swept landscape, Matt and Byron are relentlessly pursued by the officers, and Matt finds Byron isn't what he appears to be, as they travel from community to community and encounter pockets of strange societies that live beyond the slipstream.

The whole movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__LL9p3QKAw

There was also a sorta fantasy post-apoc, Dragon Flyz. Earth is unlivable, mutants everywhere, humanity lives in a floating city and rides dragons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAbCgjHxow

>>98149926
Honestly I wouldn't use any of his systems at all. I'd probably just convert it over to AW. The various location prompts are almost moves/clocks already.

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>>98125364
For my Monolith stand-in I think I've decided on a group called ALTER/ALTAR, both names and spellings used interchangeably as they see the island and its powers as a way of changing the world as well as something to be worshipped.

For goals, I think it would be to spread outwards throughout the world, bringing their new abilities (and their dangers) to the masses.

Fortunately for everyone else, they're persona non grata for every other faction, especially the ones that have access to shipping ports on the island.

I've put there HQ in a church slap bang in the middle of the island making easy access through the woods very difficult and forcing traders and the part to trek all the way north and around.

The southern route is also blocked to a huge and deadly fog-out covering what was the United Nations port before "something bad" happened just as they set up, further inflaming tensions between the factions.

I am planning on having both the cultists and the fog cloud be something the players could deal with, opening up new routes on the island and serving as a beefgate they could stealth or think their way through.

Pic is my shitty first past at my hexcrawl. Purple is the cultist base. South of them is the UN deadzone. I was planning on having the players start on the east side but maybe west is better now that I've drawn the mountains out. It is incomplete though

>>98155648
What hex scale are you using? Do you expect players to mostly walk or drive a car?

>>98157115
3-5k per hex and walking but if I am understanding AWN travel rules correctly, there are 10 travel hours in a day and a normal hex takes 1 hour to cross.

There'll also be some roads I need to add and also subterranean tunnels, potentially with a tram system to repaired ala Half Life 1.

Looking at the book, swamps and mountains are much more punishing than I realised so I might need to tweak some of them.

I enjoyed Pauili Kidd's novels in the Gamma World and GeneStorm settings.

A shark girl with a Hussar fixation riding a huge cockatoo called "Onan", because he "he would spill his seed on the ground", wielding a
British Pattern 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre, that is based as FUCK.

https://derelictcomic.tumblr.com/archive
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/what-it-takes/list?title_no=150125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnpjjW8juPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhREaCZLOfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9v7VclWDc
https://www.newgrounds.com/series/dead-rain

>>98160652
thanks for sharing. I wonder if you had read this one:
https://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=1

>>98137548
Gasoline? 0% chance of it working. However, what would work is diesel. The warlord taps one of the tanks that holds lightweight crude and then he distills it using any decent fire. That can be done at very low tech level. It's a whole lot less dangerous that trying to refine gasoline when no one has any idea what they are doing and they have one chance to get it right as getting it wrong means bye-bye refinery.

>>98161838
>what would work is diesel.
ntayrt
I was thinking that but the 30+ years later and 0.1% population makes injectors and fuel pump parts a significant problem. There wouldn't be the manufacturing to replace and service those so everything will have fucked up and failed by then. Better to not worry about it too much and rule of cool it.

>>98161450
No! This looks good, thanks.

There was an RPG released a year or two ago inspired by Nausicaa
Never played it, but I liked the cover. I'll find it after I wake up, go to work, come back to work, drink and if I remember posting this at all.

What's a game that's the best rip off of Fallout
The official Fallout game only focuses on 4 because Bethesda forced the creators to for some dumb reason

>>98164979
GURPS after the end, certain sections of Neuroshima if you speak Polish, unlicensed fallout homebrew
https://web.archive.org/web/20060827132423/http://www.diogenes-lamp.info/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/complete-resource-of-fallout-pnp-material.217890/

>>98164978
You mean this?: >>98153528

>>98164979
Bethesda is cancer.

>>98164979
There's Exodus, it was supposed to be the official Fallout TT RPG, but they lost the rights.

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