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30chuds I'm repainting my Raven Guard Recon Company (2.0) and I'm trying to figure out a scheme to keep things cohesive. I wasn't pleased with my original scheme of mid grey w/ camo shoulderpad. let me know if below sounds cool:

Tacs+Vets: Charcoal grey w/camo net scrim on pads or power pack and appropriate markings for the unit

Seekers: Camo body with head and right pad in white

Recon: Full camo body and ghillie cloaks


Vehicles: various combinations of above

Camo will be like a field applied spray scheme like Badab alternate plates or that Pioneer White Scar in Book 9. I'm thinking dark olive with red brown secondary color maybe a grey blue green too

>pic related current scheme
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>>98161089
>TQ
Can we have a transport, other than Spartan, that can move more troops, not less?
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A whole bunch of Blood Angels questions from a lazybones to any kind soul:

1. Were the Sanguinary Guard a thing during the Heresy, or was that founded after Sanguinius died?
2. If yes to the above, did they wear the "death masks" that 40K SG are known for, or just regular power armour helmets?
3. What mark of power armor did they use? Or was it not tied to any particular armor mark, just jump pack elites?
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>>98161089
>>Thread Question
SA proto-dread. Always have wanted to see human piloted dreadnoughts, they're mentioned in some cool older lore.
Originally Jagathai rode on top of a razorback when he went to re-capture the space port during the Siege of Terra, so even those could be excused
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why do iron hands have such black hebrew israelite vibes, post-istvaan?
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>>98161111
Marines already got plenty of very fitting large transports:
>Storm eagle
>Thunderhawk
>Kharybdis drop pod
>Mastodon
>Stormbird
You just meant in plastic, right?
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>>98161126
remind me which moon the black hebrew israelites dropped on who?
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>>98161115
1.Yes
2.Both, like in 40k, but the regular helmets are more common in the art
3.Going by BL art: artificer Mk4 very similar to the old 40k kit. But the latest GW online media had mk6 Assault marines with the BA resin upgrades (gotta sell those)
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>>98161153
dropped dat boat on dey eaters fr
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>>98161177
more
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>>98161115
1. The Sanguinary guard started as the personal bodyguard of Sanguinius. They very much were a big thing, even long before the HH started

2. They did wear death masks, fashioned from the likeness of fallen brothers, to honour the dead and strike fear into their enemies.

3. Sanguinary guard wear such elaborate artificer armour that it can be hard to tell which pattern of power armour it originally was, and there aren't any details about it in the lore as far as I know. But during the HH, Mk IV would be the most likely.
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>>98161189
another
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>>98161210
And the more recent kitbash featured in GW media
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>>98161227
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>>98161089
Ill take a razorback. It sounds like it would be a very good unit in 3e "transporthammer" and the general IFV vs APC dichotomy probably still applies generally.
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>>98161126
To give this a more serious answer than it deserves: because the underlying psychological problems are somewhat the same.

The black israelite thing is a shame response, its inventing yourself a new history because the one you "normally have" makes you embarassed.
The Iron Hands post ferrus getting destroyed by a twink were similarly "broken", they had no underlying cultural point to take pride in because the pillars of their identity were shattered.
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>>98161133
Three of those are superheavies that would basically never see a game and the other 2 are lame flyers
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>>98161287
Oh, so you're just a dumb retard with wrong opinions.
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>>98161111
Why? Give me a good case for it.

The regular rhino has a capacity of 12, thats more than enough for every normal size squad. If you want to move a 20 man deathstar, you have the spartan for it. A big and expensive transport for units of an exceptional size.
If you want even more transport capacity, you have various superheavies.

So whats the requirement? "I want a big transport capacity transport but cheap"? Why on earth should marines have that. Theyre not a swarm faction, this isnt orks or militia.
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>>98161303
Meanwhile...
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>>98161329
Yea, thats like 12 dudes there in the image. Its just an open topped rhino.


If you want THAT?
>Rhino, either -1AV on front sides or the old "open-topped" rule where blasts and templates hit the guys inside. Assault vehicle.
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>>98161340
>you can clearly count 16 visible marines
>with enough space for a few more
>"that's like 12"
Is this called a Techmarine's Dozen?
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>>98161360
Its so packed theyre literally spilling out of the top and theres still only around a dozen marines visible in the vehicle.
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>>98161329
not happening
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>>98161389
One day...
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I have thought about working on my own edition of HH rules that combines the best aspects of all 3 editions. Would any of you even be interested in something like that? Or is it best to just have the 3 editions and people just play their flavor? I think all editions do some things right but all are far from perfect. Thoughts?
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Predator battle tank or predator support tank?
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When buying 2nd hand, how much of a discount is worth it?
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>>98161447
depends on which main gun you want
support weapons seem more interesting to me
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>>98161227
looks like shit
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>>98161479
yes
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>>98161486
Thats the fun thing, im not entirely certain. The plasma (and obviously C beamer) seem really solid, but the vibe of the predator autocannon does somewhat appeal to me. And I kind of like the idea of a pair of predators are little wingmen to my big kratos (has to be two or its not symmetrical). So whatever the loadout ends up being ill probably end up running two. Maybe melta since thats what the kratos has?
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>>98161488
On a paintjob level its really good. Its darker than 40k SG but its keeping with the more weathered/"realistic" look of FW/HH stuff.

But yes, sanguinary guard look kinda "wrong" without their more ornate armor. Or at least the winged jump packs. Maybe they were just "golden armor marines" in the heresy or whatever, but their aesthetic is so strongly tied to their 40k counterparts that you might just have to swallong the anachronism.
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>>98161089
Proto-dread. I'm surprised militia and SA never got one in the 10+ years of this game but I guess you could use sentinel rules as a count as for militia at least.
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>>98161504
>I kind of like the idea of a pair of predators are little wingmen to my big kratos
same
I think I'll definitely build one with conversion beamer and for the second I'm thinking about full volkite loadout because it would make sense as an escort tank for my anti-armor kratos
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>>98161652
>different loadouts
I couldnt, my autism wouldnt allow me to have them mismatched like that.
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they're a little short, but maybe you could run karaphron breachers/destroyers as militia sentinels?

just fluff some of the other guns as a lascannon etc
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>>98161303
>If you want to move a 20 man deathstar, you have the spartan for it
Oh no!
>So whats the requirement? "I want a big transport capacity transport but cheap"? Why on earth should marines have that.
It is my sincere belief that transports for Troop-class squads should not cost more than the squad itself
LR-class heavy transports are viable tanks on their own, and can conceivably work even without a cargo capacity (e.g.: LR Achilles). They are more than a transport.

But for carrying 20 despoilers we don't want a powerful vehicle that can also fight other tanks. All we want is a delicious long Rhino.
And it WILL look ugly. Like, I hate it already.
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>>98161661
I'm not even sure kataphrons are a thing in 30k fluff.
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>>98161656
it's over
then go for melta with las sponsons and dozer blade, so they can zip around and frag tanks while kratos acts as DISTRACTION CARNIFEX
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>>98161662
A 20 man deathstar is not "troop class"
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>>98161670
I don't think they are mentioned, but we know gun servitors are a staple of Mars' armies.
Unless you go by the black books, where no skitarii is to be found, they are right beyond the horizon, you just missed them
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Whats even the point of plasma executioner predators vs the C beamer ones? for when youre within 15"? But even then you have a 10" move and can just drive back and shoot. Breaching 4+ is worse than flat Ap3, surely.
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>>98161681
It is literally a troop option, anon
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>>98161683
There are skitarii mentioned in the belicosa potentis omnissiah in iirc the third black book. They were going to be released in the martian civil war black book eventually and that became a rather shit 2.0 book. Also in 30k they usually use automata rather than servitors in combat.
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>>98161695
So are terror squads/grey stalkers. So were veterans and terminators with pride of the legion.

A 20 man despoiler squad with options starts pushing 300pts. It is not "troop class" in terms of weight class, the average tactical squad is like 100.
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>>98161419
Play 3rd with adapted 1st edition legion traits (except for dark angels and raven guard, they get 3rd edition traits because fuck that retarded multiple trait shit), done.
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>>98161686
>kid named assault squad or jetbikes
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>>98161758
If theyre ending up that close theyre probably charging and killing your tank anyways. If theyre not in charge range, you can move back and shoot the medium profile. Getting 15" range on a m12 tank doesent seem super hard.
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>>98161686
If you're getting 40" sight lines across the board you need to stop playing on American tables, not shit the conversion beamer will be better if you completely remove the main hinderance, especially in 3rd
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>>98161786
You get Ap3 d2 at 15". And while im sure you definetly play on boards where all lines of sight are actually a maximum of 8", in the real world 15+ is a very reasonable thing to get.
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>>98161708
Eh, Grey Stalkers are the SW's troops considering how divergent th-
TERROR SQUADS ARE TROOPS?! What the hell, they used to be Elites! Five of them costed 115 pts, which made them be more than double the cost of Tacticals.
And now 10 of them cost mere 15 pts more than 10 of Despoilers, but they get Hatred and Fear?
10 of them cost mere 5 pts more than Inductii?! This is outrageous! It's unfair!! They should be Elites or Fast Attack or something else
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>>98161882
>Five of them costed 115 pts,
Still do! And theyre still WS4 W1!

>And now 10 of them cost mere 15 pts more than 10 of Despoilers, but they get Hatred and Fear?
No, 5 of them cost more than 10 despoilers. Theyre 18ppm. 23ppm with their chainglaives. And they lost infiltrate.
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>>98161890
Aah I got scared for a moment. Oof +18 per model ouch! RIP their Infiltrate. Infiltration got nerfed, maybe they could afford to keep it?
But it still feels weird to have them as troops
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>>98161907
And it doesent for grey stalkers that have the same stats and get all power weapons for +5ppm AND theyre cheaper?
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>>98161911
I have issue with the entire pack being able to get power weapons. That was wrong then, it's still wrong now imo.
Though the price of +5 pts actually seems right. It's the full squad access what I'd object to.
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>>98161933
>Though the price of +5 pts actually seems right
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>>98161989
Indeed. They are not swapping chainswords of S(User). It is Fenrisian Axes of S+1 and conditional A+1
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>>98162000
Thats like saying WE should have 5ppm power weapons because they swap chainaxes for them.
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>>98162004
Chainaxes are equivalent to chainswords everywhere I look.
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>>98162035
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>>98162091
KEK
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>>98161686
this is a really trivial probability problem and I'm not even slightly shocked you can't do it yourself
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almost finished with proonting the parts for a cerastus acheron, looks like its all been turning out well so far
will end up with a questoris crusader (avenger/thermal cannon), castigator, and this in the way of a knight trio and my LoW lust will surely be sated
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>>98161089
hello i am indian
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>>98162526
Are you under the water?
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>>98162526
did dian consent
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>>98161389
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>>98161662
so, you want a marine gorgon?
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>>98162803
>m'gorgon
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>>98162091
It's an old meme, but it checks out
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>>98161395
>Human centipede but Rhinos
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Are command tanks a thing in Horus Heresy? I’m trying to map out a plan for a heavy armor siege force and sort of want to go around 50% tanks/dreads in my army if possible.
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>>98163201
Yes. Theres the command sparta, command dracosan, armored command russ, and the command rhino.
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>>98161514
Yes the paintjob is fine, but they need their nipples abs ornate armor to shine
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Any salamander bros here, what green do you use?
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>>98163317
Caliban green, they are simply better and more relevant than us.
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>>98163598
too dark
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>>98163487
>not using the old long snouted beakie
NGMI
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would a kind anon be willing to share scans of mailed fist tactica?

posting model as payment
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>>98163317
mix of vallejo angel green and army painter guardian green
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>>98163317
goblin
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>>98163668
>>98163690
thanks frends
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Do Space Marines have a unit that can serve as a Tar Pit? Like can I drive a few Rhinos up the board and have squads of dudes hop out to bog down the enemy and then die?
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>>98164067
20 despoilers in a spartan
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>>98163213
Neat. It definitely makes this a much more long term project since I’m basically starting from nothing.
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Do Inductii have any other markers beyond being in Beakie armor most of the time?
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>>98163201
Other than the ones in 3.0 in 1.0 most tanks that can be squadroned and superheavies can be turned into command tanks.
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>>98164147
2.0 has some schemes specific to them in siege of cthonia which iirc boiled down to "has a x colored stripe on their head" "use vet markings despite being inductii" and 1.0's "they use minimal legion iconography/colors because they haven't earned them yet".
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>>98164147
Would you like them to have? I pretend they have armour of lesser quality, such as using leather gloves instead of articulated gauntlets
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>>98164349
I figure they may be more stripped down in terms of Legion decoration than regular Legion members. I really like the idea behind the Inductii, I just can’t figure what their role is on the table versus a regular tactical squad. Unless the cheaper points cost and less war gear options is the role and I’m just overthinking it.
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>>98164450
>tacts/tss/despoilers/etc with some special rules and less options
Depends on the legion but that's pretty much it. You might be overthinking it.
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Disregarding rules and only focusing on style, would it be appropriate to stick Mechanicum bits on Iron Hands to further reinforce just how close their ties are? Thinking about the new Hastarii.
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>>98164077
LC will rekt them, surely cataphractii are better tarpit >>98164067
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>>98164147
Their got their own marking to show they are poverty, what legion do you play?
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>>98164546
Which parts? The hands are tiny on astartes
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Anybody ever used tamiya mark fit (standard) for applying decals?
I’ve asked in other spots and figured I’d ask here.
Local shop sells them and I’m pretty sure Ak gloss acrylic varnish is enough to protect the acrylic painted layers so I will avoid the strong variant.
Need advice lads. The local hobby shop only sells tamiya protects like their cement and paints in the scale model section.
No wargaming side.

>>98161089
>tq
Solar auxilia proto dread.
I’d go with marine stuff but the hipster in me would make it so I would use thunder warrior stls instead of actual marines.
I’m not sure what my stl options really are.
Especially when most stls are overly greeble messes.
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>>98164147
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>>98164876
I am suprised that during such a gigantic war the legions had not only the time to repaint the reused armour, but also add signs to them. Besides maybe something like splashing white/yellow/blue on the helmet, so that your own units know those aren't to be trusted. Like in real war.
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>>98164852
Cogs, Kataphron heads. Bionics, servo claws. Belts with cables etc.
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>>98164895
They're superhumans who need very little sleep and can't coom in their spare time.
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>>98164895
do you have any real war pictures of this?
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>>98164919
I wish there was a version of space marine helmet that my ancestors wore. But this is a british game, so we are going to see a Burgundian inspired thing around when the Sun expires.
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>>98164925
duck tape, splash of paint or duck tape around the helmets.
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>>98164147
nothing really standardized. depends on the legion, and even within legions it might vary by chapter or company. they provided some examples of what inductii might look like, but feel free to make up your own inductii markings
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>>98164933
That makes sense, you know what I now remember cadian conscripts from the black crusade book in 40k, they just had a white stripe on their helmet to mark them.
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What are anons views on this look for Templar Brether inspired force? Too un HH or kosher enough to play games?
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Thinking about adding Daemons to my Word Bearers and I'm having a hard time figuring out why I would bring an Esoterist

95 points he lets me bring a daemon brute detachment & he can then use a power to automatically bring them in from reserves.

Vs. just bringing an ally Daemon detachment - I can take a Harbringer for 135 points who can bring them in automatically AND let them charge on the same turn.

As well as having an insane stat line w/ Paragon of Battle.

What am I missing.
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>>98165028
If you're asking for permission to use Pr*maris models the answer is "No" and "We don't want your kind here".
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>>98165033
Not much really. Esoterist is a cheap way to get fear 1 and an archeotech pistol, not much else.
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>>98165050
Based.
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>>98165050
I asking about the colour scheme and helmets. Not the exact 1 to 1 model.
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>>98165072
trench crusade should absolutely be held in mind if one is wanting to take their marines in a gnarlier direction than is standard, yes
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>>98165079
what is trench crusade? some sort of special "trench warfare" version of Horus Heresy, like crusade for w40k?
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>>98164926
To be fair there's not really a Britbong legion either. Maybe the Dark Angle's could count as both? Burgundian's are just confused German's though.
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>>98165090
it's some dumb skrimish-scale wargame that dabbles a little more upfrontly in depicting thing in seriously fucking grave sorts of lights, especially in the way of finished miniatures as faggot fortress prescribes it
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>>98165096
Burgundians were a noble stock of suo ipso people. Their tragedy was that the French and the Germans were driven by jealousy, and destroyed the greatest culture ever created in history of Europe.

I wish there was a legion to represent them. Gilded gold and royal purples, flamboyant Burgonets, a flair for the quality things in life. the perfect knights, jousting masters and blade masters.
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>>98165096
>there's not really a Britbong legion either
your death guard?
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