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First for the Queen
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Thank you Sarah Adina Smith! Fuck you Sara Hess!
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>carries your shit season despite being in a coma for half of it
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>and was mean to Tyrion
Or, more precisely, wasn't as enthusiastic about her forced marriage to the ̶ ̶t̶w̶i̶s̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶d̶e̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶n̶k̶e̶y̶ ugliest man in King's Landing as she apparently should've been.
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>Is it going to have a shit ending like GoT (I haven't seen it)
Each season is it's own self-contained story about the two main characters, so there isn't really an ending. Not that the fat fuck would ever finish writing a series.
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its so funny watching HotD where they still try to make big deal out of the white walkers, the ice, the song of ice etc. knowing that white walkers are literally not an issue at all, just total no problem that was solved in few hours in not even particularly deadly battle
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>>218304803
whenever someone in that shitshow tries to wax poetic about the prophecy or the great winter i just instantly visualize Arya leaping through the air behind the Night King's shoulder and visibly scrunch up my face with cringe
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>The rule of the ironborn over the riverlands ended in the holocaust that engulfed Harrenhal.
- The World of Ice and Fire, p. 155.
WTF George. You can't just trivialize the holocaust like that, that's antisemitic! There's a good reason why we aren't allowed to call it the american indian holocaust anymore, using the word for anything else takes away from the unique and singular fate of the jewish people.
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>The castle yard was full of eyes and ears. To escape them, they sought out Darry's godswood. There were no sparrows there, only trees bare and brooding, their black branches scratching at the sky. A mat of dead leaves crunched beneath their feet. "Do you see that window, ser?" Jaime used a sword to point. "That was Raymun Darry's bedchamber. Where King Robert slept, on our return from Winterfell. Ned Stark's daughter had run off after her wolf savaged Joff, you'll recall. My sister wanted the girl to lose a hand. The old penalty, for striking one of the blood royal. Robert told her she was cruel and mad. They fought for half the night . . . well, Cersei fought, and Robert drank.
>Past midnight, the queen summoned me inside. The king was passed out snoring on the Myrish carpet. I asked my sister if she wanted me to carry him to bed. She told me I should carry her to bed, and shrugged out of her robe. I took her on Raymun Darry's bed after stepping over Robert. If His Grace had woken I would have killed him there and then. He would not have been the first king to die upon my sword . . . but you know that story, don't you?"
>He slashed at a tree branch, shearing it in half. "As I was fucking her, Cersei cried, 'I want.' I thought that she meant me, but it was the Stark girl that she wanted, maimed or dead." The things I do for love. "It was only by chance that Stark's own men found the girl before me. If I had come on her first . . ." The pockmarks on Ser Ilyn's face were black holes in the torchlight, as dark as Jaime's soul. He made that clacking sound. He is laughing at me, realized Jaime Lannister. “For all I know you fucked my sister too, you pock-faced bastard,” he spat out. “Well, shut your bloody mouth and kill me if you can.”
Jaime's arc in AFFC is so fucking kino. The show could've never done justice to it.
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>>218304691
because he was a unique targ in the sense that he lacked all the classic targshit nonsense
>no "muh dragons"
>no "muh fire and blood"
>calm, rational, polite
>actually gets his hands dirty instead of using a dragon or servant or armies
>puts everything on the line for a lowborn fag because it's a matter of honor
>actually cares about the public image of his dynasty instead of just being a brat
that being said, this kind of character works only in small doses in ASOIAF and could start feeling like a gary stu if he had several seasons of just getting things right
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Did he really do anything wrong
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....semoc eH
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>>218304803
Damn, you're right.
I'd asume the entire realm is still suffering from the years (?) of war by the time they show up, and they just put togheter a last minute defense with like half the realms and win.
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>>218304974
He did the dirty work of properly cleaning house, and defanging the faith as well as building his holdfast were good deeds
Does this excuse the kinslaying, whatever the fuck was up with his wives and his cruelty? No, but he consolidated targ rule as something permanent.
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Why are they such losers?
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>>218305082
>GRRM on aragorns orc policy after the war: "Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?”
The iron born are the answer to George’s question, what happens to the orcs after their dark lord (grey king) dies? The answer is they start a shitty evil little empire built on rape and murder
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>>218305082
What the FUCK was his problem?
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I want what he's having
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Good sex and apple cider
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>>218305082
>pillage for a year or so while Westeros is in the middle of the civil war #37
>get your ass kicked after Westeros gets its shit together
>sit on your little jerk off islands surviving on salt and dick for 20-80 years
>repeat
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>>218304805
Imagine a timeskip and Rickon looks like Robb but even more savage.
Walder Frey is still somehow alive and in comes Rickon with Shaggydog and his army of northerners to enact revenge.
He is the Black Wolf
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>>218305215
Even worse, they got replaced by a house whose sigil looks like a penetrated asshole
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>>218305275
Best dragon obviously.
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seriously look at this and tell me that it's wrong to kill these... things...
I bet you HAVE to have a couple massacres every now and then just to keep them from going completely feral
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>>218305334
There’s literally nothing wrong with killing KL rabble as Daemon, Dany and Stannis all knew
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>>218304691
How does command this level of charisma? I want to be Baelor but I've always been a beta male
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I could have fixed her.
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>>218305376
Its mid like alle CK3. Switch to the mod for CK2
>>218305447
Current Dev team for the CK 3 version isnt doing a very good work. The CK2 version have multiple start dates up to AFFC
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>>218304691
>manages to get himself killed in a trial by combat where 6/7 enemies are either sworn to protect him or are his own family
impressive, he definitely isn't a meme who targshit asslickers elevate after his death just like Rhaegar. He definitely would have brought a new golden age, trust me bro
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The current head of Dorne is Mors or Olyvar Martell. The actor said he was playing a younger brother of Doran and Oberyn.
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>>218305117
>starks would 100% crush the Lannisters if he made the logical choice to become allies with them
GRRM wanted the Starks to lose so he had to go full retard. He could have sacked Lannisport and probably Casterly Rock as well considering there were almost no fighters left in the Westerlands after Oxcross. The Reach would have never joined the Lannisters either if their coasts were being threatened. WOT5Ks would have ended halfway through Clash
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>>218305139
>Old HBO
>Tits everywhere, late night content is practically softcore porn
>Modern HBO
>You get to see one pair of titties off to the side but plenty of cock, spitting, puking, shitting and any other bodily fluids that aren't related to sexy women
Would it have killed them to have this whore actually show something off on screen?
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>>218305886
>Eliminating the male gaze in media is good actually
Tell the ones clamoring to see more dicks that, HBO had a reputation for providing risque material that the others didn't offer while also maintaining a high standard of quality, once upon a time.
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>>218305847
Yeah, Ironborn attacking frozen hellscape with nothing valuable instead of sacking second/third richest city on the continent is absolute hack job by GRRM. Especially because after Starks lose and Iron throne is mostly at peace Euron starts sacking Reach with little resistance
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>>218306006
Also, how the hell they spawned 800 longships with no fucking trees on Iron Islands
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>>218306065
the show is not canon
>>218306066
they worked for him therefore they are evil
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>>218304974
He fucked up when he couldn't accept that he was infertile. He should have raised Aenys' son to be less of a pussy and then handed over the throne to him.
On the other hand the Faith of the Seven needed to be put in check. It was way too strong and had too much control over politics. So at least something good came from his rule. It didn't do any good for his reputation though, since Septons and Septas often act as history teachers.
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Why is armor in /got/ so brown and bland when the middle ages were very bright and colorful?
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>>218306142
Unironically the only reason Jaehaerys could marry his sister without the peasants shitting up a riot was because they were too weak to do anything after Maegor.
Big J ended up benefiting the most from his atheist uncle
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>>218306159
C'mon, admit you laughed a little
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>>218305082
Because the Conquest was basically in direct response to their domination. In the same way how the Nights Watch was disempowered after Targ rule so too were the Iron Born. Without a central monarchy and without dragons they'd be back on top.
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>It was way too strong and had too much control over politics
Yeah let’s hand over all their power to a family of foreign incestuous alien invader dragon sorcerers that’s way better. Neck beard atheist commie fuck
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Nah, he was right to attack the North. Casterly Rock cannot be taken by assault, Ironborn don't siege, and he can raid Lannisport... for what? When Balon made his move, Renly was already dead. Almost entire navy was in Stannis hands, and Lannisters had Redwynes on their side by holding Paxter's twins hostage. He would have to fight Redwynes, Farmans etc. Maybe even Hightowers if Reach decided to ally with Joffrey after all, because Tyrells would know they would be next.
Meanwhile, North has no fleet and almost all troops are south. Attacking North was completely risk free, North is alone and has no fleet at all at the west shore. You can do whatever you like here.
The Balons retardation lies somewhere else. He attacked the North, and THEN negotiated with Lannisters. It should be done other way around. He could get concessions from Tywin, titles, land, anything. Instead Lannisters just ghosted him because he already was attacking Starks lol.
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>Ironborn are much closer to northman than they are to anyone else
are you retarded? Look at the map, Oldtown is closer to the Iron Islands than the Stoney Shore in the North, let alone Lannisport
>Balon SPECIFICALLY blamed his rebellion being crushed on Ned
why would he blame Ned over Robert/Tywin? Because GRRM needs him to be a retard to justify attacking the North over much richer targets
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>and he can raid Lannisport... for what?
the fuck ton of riches in the city? It's the richest port outside of Oldtown and processes all the Lannisters gold and silver and has a shit ton of rich people with manses they could loot. Plus all the other coastal Westerland castles that have like 50 men defending them
and Balon declared independence, he was always going to have to fight the Lannisters. If he sides with the Starks they supply him infinite lumber for ships. There's no defending Balon attacking the North, it's pure GRRM hackery
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don't ask questions anon, the North with a monopoly on ironwood and forests bigger than some of the other kingdoms don't have any fleet but the barren iron islands can respawn hundreds of them despite having no trees and for some reason being able to do it secretly despite their recent rebellion putting them under suspicion
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I think the anon meant that Balon blames Ned because Ned took his last son (and heir) and basically made him into a Northman. It was too much for his pride.
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Easily AKOTSK. HotD's prop/costume department should be embarrassed by how badly Dunk's mogged them with a much smaller budget. Although I think Daemon's armour is the coolest in all the shows, despite the awful plastic helmet
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>>218306428
>kindly man trying to convince her to become a courtesan
what was his endgame? Was he going to sample the goods using a different face?
>"You believe this is the only place for you." It was as if he'd heard her thoughts. "You are wrong in that. You would find softer service in the household of some merchant. Or would you sooner be a courtesan, and have songs sung of your beauty? Speak the word, and we will send you to the Black Pearl or the Daughter of the Dusk. You will sleep on rose petals and wear silken skirts that rustle when you walk, and great lords will beggar themselves for your maiden's blood.
>He cupped her chin, turned her head this way and that, nodded. "A pretty one this time, I think. As pretty as your own."
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>>218306517
huh im getting dejavu, i just saw this for the first time yesturday
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>>218305779
this is the worst.
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>>218306504
What good riches would give you, when you will get raped soon after by Redwyne and other Lannister aligned fleets lol? Do you know the lore? Ironborn repeatedly attacked Westerlands in the past. In the Dance, in the Greyjoy Rebellion, during Dagon times, before the conquest. They always win a few first battles, then get raped in retaliation, because Lannisters have allies.
Balon declared indepedence, yes, but was willing to ally with Lannisters and make a common cause with them. It is discussed in Tyrion chapters in Asos, where there are actually people willing to do it, but Tywin disagrees, as he already made deals with Bolton, and notes that Greyjoys are already fighting Starks, so there's no real point to negotiate. This is where Balon's true retarded mistake is.
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You now remember that Rhaenyra dressed as a nun and showed up to King's Landing to have a secret conversation with Alicent, where they gossiped about everyone else and about Aegon's dream, and Alicent allowed Rhaenyra to leave.
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>>218306541
I might like the mountains armour the most.
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what allies do the Lannisters have while Tywin is trapped in Harrenhal like a cuck, Robb is raping his lands, and Stannis is getting ready to attack King's Landing? Lannisters were in full on doomer mode until the Greyjoys attacked the North
and the reason every previous Ironborn rebellion failed is that they had no allies, now they'd have the North and Riverlands. The Westerlands would effectively be occupied with the Iron Islands invading from the coasts and the Northern army taking castles left and right. Tyrells aren't siding with Joffrey in this scenario. Even LF would see the writing on the wall and tell Lysa to send out the Vale army before the war is completely over
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>>218306710
kindly man is picking out a new face for her on Arya's next assignment, previous one she got an ugly face. He's saying she's pretty and that she'll get a pretty face like her own for the next mission
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all the high tier raiders wear an obscene amount of gold rings and necklaces. It's a flex as long as you paid the iron price for it, they'd be the ones to create grillz in Westeros as a use for their gold. And Balon is known to be retarded even compared to the average Ironborn, others are perfectly fine trading for goods like normal people
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Not really, Ironborn are at their best when they actually work with the Iron Throne or other southern houses. Like in Ninepenny Kings when they raped pirate fleets on the step stones, or when the Greyjoys crushed rebellion in Aenys times and got rewarded. Or during Hoare times, where they got fucking rich, traded with everyone and fought the weakest enemy. They NEVER allied themselves with the North in lore, because North does not offer anything to them. They can't protect them because they have no fleets, and they have no ports to trade with on the western shore. As for lumber, they can just make thralls get it from Bear Island or Wolfswood, or trade with more reliable ports in the south. So Balon was actually smarter than Dagon/Dalton/other retards who fought Westerlands. But not smart enough to actually make them a deal BEFORE striking North, instead of after...
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it is impressive that AKOTSK took an actor that seems like a skinny gregarious twit in real life and made him look like a gruff veteran of many battles
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They could use Redwyne fleet because they have twins hostage, and they have their vassals like Farmans. Lannisters also rebuild their fleet after GR. So there's still a sizable fleet to deal with. Even in situation that Lannisters lose and Stannis wins, they would have to fight with Stannis&Tyrells instead. And neither Riverlands nor the North have any fleet, so they can't help them. I say again, they have nothing to offer for the Ironborn as allies. Lannisters would be much better. Attacking and pillaging Westerlands is a nigger strategy. Short them profit, then you get raped in retaliation. The only good ally for the Iron Islands are southern houses like Lannisters or Tyrells, or simply working with Iron Throne.
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arya being considered ugly was always a meme, Jeyne Poole was the only one who called her that. And Ned is one of the few people left alive who knew Lyanna when she was young and says Arya is pretty much identical at the same age. She just had to grow into her looks, she has a lot of swan symbolism so it's standard ugly duckling shit.
Ironically Arya gets called attractive in the books more than Jon, contrary to the show he's not called handsome or pretty a single time. He's Ned 2.0, not ugly but fairly plain and a borderline manlet
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Also Arya was always dirty and shit.
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He is a dyslexic mother fucker.
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>>218307066
He's more pensive and introspective than you'd initially think (because you start reading from the POVs of characters who seem Jaime as one-dimensional) but he's still not what you'd call a smart guy, more like he's thoroughly re-examining his life and everything around him so it makes him seem smarter than he really is. Then again very few people in the books are truly smart.
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>>218304880
You can take it as decades of oral tradition exaggerating the fuck out of the 'long night' and the threat of the walkers.
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Why did they only castrate Theon in the show?
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He was great in outlaw king also, he's got a great snarl.
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>>218307519
And why should I, the agent asked
Bow down before thy size?
Thy master plan, is not so good.
I have seen bigger guys.
If I were to unmask your face
My care for you'd be none.
Pavel is mine, I'm CIA,
You're captured, you are done.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
The man from CIA.
His plane has crashed, its tail has broke.
Survivors there were nay...
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There's no way the showrunners make a rapist a likeable character
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>>218307066
not that smart. he's not dumb by any means, but he's a doer, not a thinker. he'll make an impulsive decision (like pushing bran out the window, or attacking ned stark) and then reflect about it later, usually after talking with another character who tells him how dumb he is. but he always has internal justifications for everything he does, and he acts very intentionally.
like the other anon said, he's introspective, and he has a lot of emotional depth in how he analyzes his past actions, but he's not a particularly deep or strategic thinker like tyrion or tywin. this fact is even brought up to him by another character in AFFC, and in that book we get to see him try and develop that side of him more, to varying degrees of success.
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>By what right does the Janny judge the Anon?
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First for Rohanne Webber
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>There the demons dwell, up there. Fire and blood, blood and fire. This is their city. If you would make it yours, first you must destroy them. If you would cleanse yourself of sin, first you must bathe in dragon's blood. For only blood can quench the fires of hell.
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Based Ramsay
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I had almost purged that Arya nonsense from my brain. Then what the fuck was their prophecy even about?
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Delectable taste from Ramsay, a true patriot
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Fire Punch
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>>218308672
I fear its not a doujin anon, but it is the kill and rape manga
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>>218308778
He was there to show how hard(yng) he was and to taunt GREEN FUCKING BOYS.
> He also faced his brother by marriage, Ser Humfrey Beesbury, in the lists on the first day. They broke a dozen lances apiece in an epic struggle the smallfolk soon began calling "the Battle of Humfrey."
> He won against his brother by marriage as well, and in total defeated fourteen formidable knights on the first day.
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I've been thinking about it, and the easiest way to fix the Dorne plot armor bullshit is make them successfully gain independence once Balerion the black dread finally dies. all other events can proceed as they have
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>>218308223
As the other anons said, it was basically a soft retcon of season 1 (which was itself headcanon)
They were writing season 2 and realized "wait wtf, why did we make him so unlikeable if half the scenes will be about his side of the war" and basically ignored that side of him for the entire season 2
They are so fucking retarded, but the good news is that his season 2 character is great if you ignore season 1 and hopefully he will be good in season 3 too
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his main mistake was not planting a weirwood tree in the Red Keep and boosting the fuck out of the North with royal favor to put pressure on the Faith. Could have also given the Ironborn leave to raid the Reach and Oldtown until the Faith shut the fuck up. Targs don't understand the concept of divide and conquer apparently
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>>218309144
He was pretty based in season 1 too, idk I just forget the boyfight ring ever happened, i mean everyone onscreen has.
Or just like Rhaenyra knows Rhaenys massacred dozens of her subjects at the dragon pit and does nothing
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>DA RATCATCHAS are the heart and soul of the Red Keep you FOOL! Did you not listen to your father speak of Aegon's Dream(TM) about how they are essential to saving us all from the threat from the North!
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THE STORMLANDS JUST BOMBED THE AYATOLLAH OF DORNE!!
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we should establish a code to distinguish kings who share the same name in dicussion in the threads
for example for the Aegons
aegon the Conqueror : chadgon
aegon II : chudgon
aegon III : emogon
aegon IV : fatgon,coomergon, goonergon
aegon V : Egg, eggon
aegon VI: Griff, griffgon
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The chance of anything approaching severe harm for him was next to nothing from the way things looked initially. None of the kingsguard would probably even make a half-hearted attack, Fossoway wasn't about to cause harm to his future supreme overlord, and none of his family members were likely to try to hurt him all that much. Maekar crushing his skull was a freak moment triggered by watching his son getting beaten to death.
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>>218309951
>The chance of anything approaching severe harm for him was next to nothing from the way things looked initially.
>harm for him was next to nothing
>next to nothing
thx for agreeing that its incorrect to say baelor risked nothing fren <3
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>>218310046
you may b right
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