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Updates and Discussion for English and Japanese games with gacha mechanisms.
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>>4516347
Honestly, is Silver Palace even a gacha game? I have been looking through all its promo material and they don't mention gacha mechanics once. It's kind of fucking weird. They do mention multiple playable characters and it looks like Genshin rip-off (with much better art direction). I guess a free mobile game by default will always be gacha though.
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>>4516352
Yes, it's the easiest way to monetize your game. Which gacha game mentions gacha mechanics in their advertisement material after all? But we don't know all the details yet since there's been no beta test or anything
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>>4516355
>Which gacha game mentions gacha mechanics in their advertisement material after all?
Like.. most of them? Talking about such an essential mechanic is pretty standard. Gacha players are also autistic about pull rates and whatever the fuck else, so it would be best to get that out of the way.
Such a waste though. They could have made a real ARPG without any gacha shit and just sold it like normal and then they probably could have streamlined it and not bloated it for gacha infusion purposes and bogged down its mechanics for monetization shit.
I despise the future where all good looking anime action games are just shitty gachas.
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>>4516355
>But we don't know all the details yet since there's been no beta test or anything
CBT1 opened yesterday. Ashikai stream was great, don't know how many people got the chance to try it but I'm sure you can find some more.
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So it turns out the MCs are actuallyseparate characters who are brother and sisterand the one that you didn't select isdeadat the start of the game.
It's safe to say that at this point, the female is the canon protagonist.
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>>4516642
It is definitely not safe to say that at all, but it is nice that she at least gets the spotlight in the promo material. More people will play male MC as usual though and if they ever do anything shipbaity with the protagonist and any girls, male MC will be used to highlight it. Never hope for more.
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>>4516654
I think the male Detective was shown on the official site back when the first trailer dropped 6-7 months ago with the same description as feMC, though she was always listed first and he's never been seen outside of artwork. So it's possible they only decided to make him playable shortly before that. It does give me some hope that male MC will continue to be treated like an afterthought.
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>>4516652
With Kassandra and Alexios, whoever you don't pick becomes the antagonist though. Here the sibling is just straight up dead. So it doesn't even feel like there was much point to having them be siblings. I guess there could by some personal character backstory boost by having the tragic dead family trope, but that's about it.
I'm more interested to know how much of an actual character Detective is. I already despite that she doesn't have a real name. That is always a bad sign. I don't want self-inserts. I want real protagonists like Kayamori Ruka or Vertin.
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Is Silver Palace made by a chink company? I can't figure out who this Silver Studio is. If it's chink, there is no way it will actually have real yuri. They would go the Mihoyo route.
But I doubt Japan actually made this kind of game in this day and age.
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>>4516642
>first spoiler
Yeah, I won't be tuning into this. After the shitshow that is ZZZ, I'm not touching another one with dual protagonists. Even if the FeMC is prominently shown in everything, I just know they're going to pull some bullshit or make the other sibling central to the overarching plot
>second spoiler
Look at the setting and theme this gacha has. No way in hell that's staying true.
Well, there goes any excitement I had for this. Love the music though
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>>4516663
As far as names are concerned, seeing as the male Detective's name defaults to "Hugin" when asked to enter one in-game, the female MC's canon name is probably Munin. Of course, every character just calls her Detective anyway.
I'm not done with the main story yet, but I would say Detective is more than a blank slate. She doesn't have amnesia, for one, and is portrayed as confident, intelligent, somewhat standoffish and guarded, and surprisingly not afraid to get her hands dirty and bend the rules when she needs to (like beating up a thug to an inch of his life during an interrogation or breaking into a constabulary station to retrieve evidence). I wouldn't say she's a very deep character so far, but there's a decent foundation to build off of in the future.
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Read some posts that supposedly there were leaks from Ananta including FeMC but no one wants to post them because some accounts got warned or suspended for posting leaks (probably because it’s all stuff under NDA from closed beta)
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>>4517393
Not true if you're talking strictly about in-game, as that anon clearly was. Pre-1.4 had issues with Wise doing a lot of in-dungeon talking despite Belle being the main character, and I have to imagine vice versa if you picked W*se for some reason. Recent patches have made Belle much more talkative during story missions. Furthermore, in-game, the girls all fawn over the sibling you chose and barely acknowledge the other one. >>4517343 is only right if you're talking about the animated trailers and Ye Shunguang's marketing in particular.
In any case, there's a whole different thread dedicated to bitching about Hoyo games, so take this shit there.
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>>4517452
Like I said as gay as it's ever been
We've got dating sim date, kabedons, handholding on a beach with a romantic sunset in the background, the durarita dance, and lots more
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It's quite impressive that Endfield has managed to have 0 (zero) yuri ships on launch, not counting the MC. The original Arknights had like a dozen different ships on launch and was getting a constant influx of yuri fanart.
They're definitely going in a different direction for this game.
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>>4518075
Eh, I get your point but I don't really care what other people do. I will continue to pick fem mc and whatever happens in my game is canon, simple as. As you said though there aren't enough pure yuri gachas, but it's just not profitable enough for shareholders I suppose? HBR is nice atleast, didn't really have enough free time to also try 1999
>>4518100
Here's hoping that trend continues
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>>4518028
It's because these games now prioritize Master Love and the male mc will keep it from having real yuri. This is the problem with mainstream Chinese games now, they need to pander to incels who hate yuri. There's smaller games that have yuri but no one wants to play them because "muh open world".
>>4518209
No one cares who you pick, just stop acting like these games are for yuri and that people have to like them because you need to always play the most popular shit. Slop like Wuwa shouldn't even be here considering how they treat yuri fans. Fuck gacha and people trying to gaslight that its "pure yuri" when these games keep making things only for the male mc and create the type of fanbase that's hostile to yuri. This board is so strict about other things but when it comes to gachaslop you want us to be baited by yuri hating ML schizo incels.
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After endfield comes out i'm finally gonna be free from zzz, after the shit they pulled with astra and the new girl it was better to just drop it now before they do it again (which they will) also i like how wuwa and endfield treat their femc unlike hoyoshit
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>>4518382
Some people are just idiots. There's nothing wrong playing ZZZ, also if you like /u/ stuff, but getting asshurt and then going to other games that aren't in any way different is just some weird ass mental issues.
They head canon themselves shit they don't like, get angry by themselves, go to the next game where they repeat this, until the end of days. Not just something I see here.
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>>4518383
>there's nothing wrong with playing ZZZ
Except for its utter lack of yuri. Even shit like Uma Musume is more relevant as long as you play a female trainer.
Gachafags are always wasting their time if they want yuri. There are actual yuri games out there to play... but those mostly cost money. The real reason you losers move from bad non-yuri gacha to bad non-yuri gacha is because they are free.
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>>4518388
>Except for its utter lack of yuri
Lol. I won't even bother responding any further.
>>4518209
I really like the story and EN voice acting in R1999, but I can't get past the gameplay.
>>4518379
Same, mostly 'cause I like only playing one gacha at a time and the story is a real letdown. Honestly, everything's been a letdown for this game. Kind of amazing the fantasy China region for all three Hoyo games suck.
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>>4520034
Nope. in most gacha male protag is selected the most. There are only a couple of exceptions.
>>4520039
The Symphogay gacha wasnt very yuri though. Much like the actual anime which cowarded out of the only confession scene.
>Seven Deadly Sins
I vaguely remember someone spamming pics of that in the game thread. But it also had males and the characters were all bisluts at best.
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>>4520070
I'll agreed when it comes to Rover, but in Endfield case, I see more people using female Endministrator that I had to actually search deep on youtube for a male playthrough to confirm whether if the tutorial videos in game changes based on the gender.
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>>4520396
Tutorial videos don't change. Some feature male, some female. You can also change the gender, though with a day cooldown or something.
Wouldn't make sense for me, because I named my girl with a name befitting to a girl going towards the end (Kaho, 果歩 ), but if you name your account, not like this name will ever be used anywhere, I guess it's something?
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>>4520999
My report on it would be:
There's potential here and there, the poster above is lying, a lot of characters don't pay much attention to the MC, but I wouldn't recommend people playing it for yuri just yet, either. There's a pair in Wuling that's constantly bickering to each other but are opening up to each other as well, slowly, but we're only at like 30% of the area's story.
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>>4521042
Interesting evidence you brought up to back up your claim: Nothing.
It was hilarious seeing /vg/'s wuwa thread reaction to the fan fest, EVEN for wuthering waves, it ended up in a situation where most fan animations had female rover instead of the male one, and they just started shitting on their own official fan festival over it.
There's certainly someone delusional around here, and it isn't me.
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>>4521042
And since you decided to double down and say that ALL gacha are like that: here's one from an actual OFFICIAL source where the female lead is extremely more popular than the male one, the rate being 64% the female lead, to 36% of the male one - and that is considering that Cygames favored the male lead for quite a while until they realized the female one was simply more popular.
Wuthering waves is probably the only game that the rate is even close to balanced, and I'm not convinced the male one is actually more popular, but it is possible, for that game, and that game only.
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>>4521028
And Wuling is already leagues better than Valley IV. I'm really looking forward to the next part.
It's a...choice to introduce players to the game with the longest and blandest prologue I've ever played.
But yeah, the most we have so far is Mi Fu and Tangtang if we exclude the MC
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>>4524783
It's definitely the most shippable pair so far, although the bar is low. Their dynamic is pretty fun.
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>>4524937
Even more shippable moments in the new 1.1 patch
Honestly feel like the people that think they have a mother-daughter vibe unsubtley hates everything that can be remotely seen as yuri, at most, you can consider their relationship as sisterly.
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>>4537773
Welcome to the internet. How new are you? Hetfags are lying hypocrites that will pull any excuse out of their ass to undermine yuri pairs. "Hurr-durr Lace is just a child!" (Ignore she is older than most bugs you meet) or "but she is Hornet's niece!". And they love to bring "they are like mother and daughter" and "they are just children" to mask their homophobia as righteousness. "You can't ship Agott and Coco they are children!" or Inori and Hikaru or Shizuka and Marina. Yet they have no fucking problems with het ships for the same characters or SpyxFamily shit. Oh, and the bigger the fandom the more retarded they are. Frieren one is particulary stupid, these faggots ship Methode with Sein or Genau for some fucking reason.
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>>4539814
My new fave ship got hit by the "but they're mother & daughter!!" BS and it is just the most annoying nonsense I've ever seen. Illiterate hypocrites without exception; their stupidity would be funny if it weren't so intolerable.
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>>4537773
Too late. Endfield panders to the MLfag audience who need all the girls around the male mc and these games are shit for yuri. I'll stick to the games that don't pander to these people who spam Epstein memes whenever they see anyone shipping their waifus together.
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The sad reality with the death of Towasugai and Assault Lily is: Yuri exclusivity is too niche. Yuri fans won't keep a yuri exclusive gacha alive. They don't pay enough to make it worth it
Hetfags and waifufags will forever be the target audience of gachas willing to pay the cost. Thus why het and waifu/ML gachas last much longer
Money speaks. Yuri fans should seriously stop seeking gacha games and play the yuri non-gachas and read yuri LNs and manga
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>>4540696
The most successful gacha game atm is exclusively targeting straight women, which in the gaming sphere is a pretty big niche honestly. I think it's just about making a really enticing product that's a great game first and a yuri story second. It'll still be niche, and the people making it know that (I hope) you shouldn't expect genshin impact or honor of kings revenue for these things. If the gacha I play gets the EOS treatment then at least I'm free of this hell, but atleast I put my money where my mouth is.
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>>4540705
The problem is: Niche revenue doesn't keep your game afloat. Gacha games need big spenders and those are straight husbando/waifufags. Not yuri fans. Thus most yuri is ML in games with "choose your gender"
Purely yuri gacha? HBR already has that niche and yuri fans are happy with that single game and won't support others. Not enough to keep them alive. You can't blame devs for not going for yuri when it's guaranteed bankruptcy/early death. They need to make money to live and pay their expenses. Gachas aren't a charity. People here complain but this is the truth. Thus why I suggest other mediums
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>>4540696
it's different audience who have different desires from games. They want the live service and to be part of a fandom big enough to get consistent doujins or other fans to talk to, which VNs and manga don't always have because people have shorter attention spans. Hoyo yuri art gets more attention. So do gacha games like Umamusume and Bang Dream. I do agree with you about most gachas being slop for yuri only because of the rise of MLfags. Too many of these dudes are hostile towards yuri and it's not worth trying to share a space with them when developers use both sides to start drama while still profiting. Look at Wuwa and copyright striking a yuri artist while the company tries to save face. People should support games like HBR, or even R1999 that at least has a set female protagonist and promoted yuri pairs and absolutely no straight male MLfags play that. The big devs will always throw yuri aside for their actual incel audience who hatres yuri, and at worse, use you as a meatshield against those schizos so they don't go after the devs.
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>>4540696
Those games died because the game part of them were beyond dogshit with 0 effort.
Many games aimed at waifus/yumes also die when they have 0 effort. For how little effort there was in those games, they did well enough.
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>>4520036
nta but there is no reason for Ananta not to have a female mc, it's more likely they are saving it for a special occasion/redesign, this game has gone for several ones after all.
Nobody I talked with so far actually showed me an argument about why they know for certain that this game will only have a male mc beyond a schizo rant of "mixed toliet/trannys REEEEEEEE".
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>>4542770
They confirmed there will be one but the way they handle her in promos leads to people being confused about whether or not she actually exists. The original design was only ever shown in like two pieces of art and the new redesign has only been seen in a random low res chibi drawing. Neither have ever been shown ingame afaik.
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only morons thought she would actually be removed
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I did not expect Another Eden to have such a thick "yuri" story, that ends up with the two girls essentiallyfusing and going by a name combining their two names...
After lots of drama, "don't leave me", "I love you" and refusing to let the other go do her calamity self sacrifice thing because she doesn't want to end the world, but still deeply wishes there'd be some other way/miracle.
And there was also this brown cat girl queen that just can't be without her dancer elf getting the "staying together forever" blurb in the credits and all that.
Kinda weird seeing stuff like this coming out of nowhere in gacha where you'd really not expect.
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>>4546382
You ever heard of a loud minority? Some 90% of social media posts are made by the loudest 5% of insane people who spend all day posting. But yes I would be inclined to agree that this won't really resemble a true yuri game, it will most likely be mc sexual harem game with coom designs. It's a shame these games don't have the balls to have a canon protagonist anymore
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>>4546498
I didn't mean to imply the old times were simply better or anything and if it has a canon male protag then I just won't play, simple as. But it does mean you don't have to do this omnipandering MC sexual writing and you won't have people doing weird MC war debates. It's also weird if every character has to be bisexual just because of a selectable protagonist gender. More female protagonists would be very welcome, but atleast we still have r1999 and HBR. I guess I just wish more games tried to pander to a niche instead of trying to please everyone.
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>>4546921
Rainbow Six collab got rerun 3 years later. Monster Hunter collab is getting a rerun 3 years later.
So yeah, you'll be able to get the Ave Mujica girls. In 2029. If you don't want to wait just buy an account I guess.
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>>4547269
Dude (yes i know what you are), Exedra is literally just a copy-paste of Magia Record. That's why people are disappointed by it. It was a reboot made solely to squeeze more money out of the franchise without actually adding to it. Like almost all the events are just literally MagiReco ported content. What's there to be excited about? The only Madoka thing that should get anyone hyped right now is the new movie, if it ever comes out.
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>>4547643
>almost all the events are just literally MagiReco ported content.
>almost all the event
>MagiReco
>Events
>All Events
>PORTED
Tell me you never played the game
Tell me you got your opinions from some drama Youtuber or leddit
Without saying it out loud.
>>4547291
April Fool Event's written by an infamous SWfan cum gag artist with surprise MadoHomu in the final third.
Monogatari event, haven't read it yet but based on CG they interact with the main cast
Crescent Memoria which ended, unsurprisingly with a dark-haired girl with pink-haired girl tease.
And in two month's time we are finally getting the story for the game's MC.
In short, I'm actually excited for the game now.
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>>4547643
I tried playing Exedra when it launched. It was more of a blatant Heaven Burns Red copy than anything. Right down to there being pretty much same combat roles.
The story (at least what I played) was just [You] as some nameless spirit literally watching the events of the Madoka anime. “Cutscenes” were just animation stills taken straight from the show.
Maybe there was more effort put into later content but first impressions were not great.
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>>4518609
Stella Sora’s situation with the MCs is a funny anomaly. Maou-chan getting a seiyuu, an official 3D short, and the seiyuu as one of the half-anni livestream hosts with male MC having little to show for it but crumbs of merch and obligatory attendance in key art is pretty telling, though it remains to be seen if Yostar is just waiting to throw MLfags a bone later if their financials recover and they want more market share.
I also saw some seething about the male MC being less popular (good luck vs the most appealing loli design in a BA-pandering game) which resulted in marketing pushing Maou-chan more. The thing about her is that she’s not merely the more popular MC; she’s the most popular character bar none. It was a severe underestimation of her design’s potential, for the devs to cater to MLfags by even having a male MC to begin with, which is a shame because male MC is such a waste of time and money that Yostar is practically bankrolling their game by flooding the shops with Maou-chan merch. He might as well not exist, but unfortunately he does, so the consolation prize for MLfags is that they can cope in their shrinking corner by acting as victims, having gross het MC selfcest and genderswapping delusions with the other girls. In any case, I mostly ignore gacha communities so I’m not too bothered.
At least the game is fun and mostly well put together aside from questionable monetization, currently limited gameplay modes, and the usual annoying RNG stat gambling necessary for some endgame stuff, but the half-anni seems to be a step in the right direction with much-needed QoL changes and the start of character balancing. Interestingly, the monetization being a bit shitty is partly due to it being really generous if you’ve been playing consistently, so you’re practically guaranteed to get at least one copy of every girl—it’s similar to Endfield’s gacha but with way more currency and a guaranteed banner girl after 120 pulls.
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>>4547799
The Exedra Crisis mode is a nice addition. Although I wish there were multiple boss stages that requires different team comp instead of a single boss. It sucks that the greater rewards are locked behind a pvp leaderboard.
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>>4546566
These games don't pander to yurifags and prioritize the type of ML guys who harass yuri artists. That's why barely anyone wants to fuck with slop like Wuwa or Endfield, especially when they cut down on yuri. But people don't want to keep the less popular actually yuri games alive, you'd rather play the type of slop that targets self-insertfags and cope because you need open world slop. Fuck these soulless gachaslop, they're the worst thing to happen to yuri anime gaming.
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