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General Yuri Discussion Thread: Moon Gays edition Anonymous 01/26/26(Mon)05:47:28 No.4520695 [Reply]▶
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>>4520751
Go watch Cosmic Princess Kaguya, exclusively on your legally sourced Netflix subscription. Brush up on the Tale of the bamboo cutter beforehand if you need to.
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Yeah, it's funny to see even comments from japan ironizing "one time travels and endures 8000 years just to met again, and the other dedicates their life to creating a body for that person...as good friends". The desperation is palpable for people who don't like yuri.
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>characters called Yachiyo and Iroha
I've seen this one!
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>>4520815
This you?
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>>4520838
This looks very very good but there's a reincarnation of the prince whom the Little Mermaid is seen still blushing over in the trailer, so I shall not yuri gamble on this one. It would be a nice surprise if it also turned out to be "what if classic fairy tale in present time but yuri?" like Kaguya, but let's not get greedy.
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About upcoming original movies, does anyone have more info about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5JN9lhoGes
This first trailer seemed cute and the premise is the typical girl meets girl.
However, the story is set in the 20th century and another trailer showed a boy that could end up being important (I really hope not).
Maybe I'm just being baited by the word Étoile
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>>4520904
If you go to the site's official site there are multiple images are of the guy and the girl interacting. Guaranteed the trailer conveniently decided not to show any of that. From the time period and art style you can figure out where it will go from there.
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>>4520907
https://sh-anime.shochiku.co.jp/parieto-movie/character/
Nevermind, it is worse than that. The site has a relationship chart on it and it explicitly calls the girls tomodachi while having the line to the guy stand out in bright red.
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>>4520919
I'd put money on this having an understated romance between the guy and the girl with no character development occurring there, while 90% of the untime is her helping her "friend" achieve her dreams with a ton of emotional interaction between them. The better movie to look forward is Whoever Steals This Book (Kono hon o nusumu mono wa) which is yuri friendly, but not explicit like chou kaguya hime.
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>>4520790
It's sadder than that; more than not wanting or liking yuri, it's that the little intelligence they have can't go beyond het (which is the most basic crap that could exist), so they can't even see the most obvious yuri.
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>>4520948
>Just finished Sherbet over A Sea of Fog. Did not care for the ending! Liked the message, good art, underutilized setting for yuri. But it absolutely flopped that landing
Seeing the ending did Sherbet not know that her future fiancee was a woman?
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They didnt animate this....
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>>4520957
>How green can one gal be?
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>>4520948
Also decided to blast through Seasons in Bloom, because it was super short, and that was borderline offensive. It wouldn't surprise me if the person who wrote it hates women with how vicious every single woman in the story was
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>>4521061
She makes four different eight-page booklets as store preorder bonuses plus regular volume extras and other promo art every time a new volume is about to release. There's always been a hiatus while she does that.
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>>4521106
its hard to say if you would like it without knowing what you disliked about the anime/manga.
I love the LN, both mangas, and the anime; but if you just don't care for the slow introspective style of it, its not going to a whole lot to change that, especially so with Shimamura
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>>4520751
The Director of Kaguya worked on Narutard Shippuden as an animator.
He is most famous for whatever he was doing with PAIN. I am also booking a trip to Japan later this year to raid his house for his InoSaku fanfics.
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>>4521174
Not anime, it's Pluribus, a western show.
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is nipple hair yuri?
(not to be confused with furry yuri)
human girls with hairy chest or hair on areolas
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>>4520838
The PVs make it look very promising, especially since it was called a girl-meets-girl anime and all of the marketing has focused on the two MCs - some kind of "screw destiny, who cares about princes, break out of the role you've been cast in and find your own happiness!" narrative, maybe. But the concept trailer has the prince much more prominently, and his modern reincarnation looks to be some kind of hot delinquent bad-boy rather than a smarmy Elan-like who'd fit that kind of story better, so I'm not holding out a huge amount of hope. Will check out reactions when it's out, but I'm almost-fully expecting it'll be more "Lara learns through superfriendship that love is always worth pursuing again, even if it ended tragically the first time!"
The thing about Kaguya was that it was always going to be at least somewhat yuri-friendly, the gamble was just on how far it'd go, CGDCT with some bait or actually taking it seriously. If Goodbye Lara isn't yuri, it's going to be 100% standard shoujo romance.
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>>4521211
Kaguya felt like the marketing was deliberately hiding the true nature of the story to suprise viewers. Unless I missed something, they never showed any of the big moments of skinship between Iroha and Kaguya. The Yachiyo twist was obviously not something they should even hint at. Mikado was never presented as Iroha's brother and his name means Emperor so it was easy to imagine he'd be Kaguya's love interest as in the fairy tale. That one at least feels like deliberate misdirection to me. Personally I thought the movie wouldn't go past some teasing between all three main girls though I didn't think they'd go the full romance route with Mikado either since trailers didn't show any interaction between them. The actual movie was a huge surprise, the depth of Iroha and Kaguya's relationship is overwhelming.
I can't bring myself to hope for Goodbye Lara to be like that though.
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>>4521223
Because it's a kinda low budget adaptation of a manga that /u/ was already following that is an adaptation of an WN/LN that /u/ already discussed a bunch years ago. Unless a show is quite high quality there's not a ton of discussion to be had about an adaptation. Same reason that there wasn't a bunch of discussion about WataTabe or IFTV or HSL, Sasakoki, etc.
What do you want to talk about? The Origin thing?Flum and Milkit ending up married at the end (that the anime will never get anywhere near)? The blind origin loli that Eterna hooks up with that the anime won't get to? Sara and Neigass having BDSM sex that the anime won't get to?
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>>4521225
>Wait there's a manga?
Calling it "Roll Over and Die" should have been a red flag, that's my fault.
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>>4521232
https://mangadex.org/chapter/4fd2eb20-e5f7-4caf-8de3-ac60ae0dfb85
https://novelsocean.com/novel/do-you-think-someone-like-you-can-defeat -the-demon-king
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>>4521234
Most people already talk about it on the /a/ thread, mostly the series thread in the day of airing, translation of volume 6 will be out in june, it's very yuri to the point the author description of the series is that it's the marriage journey of Flum and Milkit.
>>4521251
The ending is the same but the manga just expands on it and is more of a happy ending, the artist also made several doujin over the time of the couples
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>>4521260
Kaguya simply admires Iroha as a beautiful living creature. When you see a beautiful bird, a swan for example, you admire its snow-white plumage, long neck, graceful flight, and so on. You want to enjoy this beauty for a long time. But that doesn't mean you want to fuck it.
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>that doesn't mean you want to fuck it.
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Just finished kaguya, and i really enjoyed itexcept the tranny bloke
Went in blind expecting the usual /u/ subtext nothingburger, but it was about explicit as you could be without outright saying it.funny how it starts off looking like an agegap, then becomes a reverse agegap, then Iroha makes the robot body a loli so it goes back to looking like the original agegap
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Does the Morita manga go anywhere yuri-wise?
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>>4521430
>without outright saying it
It was explicit, full stop. Don't give idiots wiggle room.She literally proposes to her and it is reciprocated which a second later triggers the lunarian invasion proving it was serious. Its the tale of the bamboo cutter for madoka's sake.
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>>4521430
>tranny bloke
Noi is just a guy that likes feminine stuff (and also an obvious fag, but that's neither here nor there). The official website mentions his avatar is also male, so I don't think there's anything to indicate being a tranny.
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She's like 3 centuries old, yeah I know that she's supposed to be a eternal 20 something in a body of a 16 y/o girl but at this point she's, her and most of her friends, a generic adult that would never reach her 50s or 60s. She's a self-employed girl that has connections with some of the richest (the elf) and powerful (the demon king and Belzeebub) people on the land and some other girls that can be interpreted as single woman from their 20s to their 40s
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Not a yuri manga but I found this girl cute. Not sure if she's supposed to be a pro yuri mangaka or just doujin artist.
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I really liked Cosmic Princess Kaguya but I hope we will get Yuri stuff where they at least kiss or something. At this point I feel like we might start seeing girls fuck each other before even kissing. Was there a monkeys paw wish that I am unaware or, where we get more high quality Yuri but the sweet lips of the maidens are never to meet on the screen?
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>>4521972
probably something to do with having plausible deniability so they can market it to a wider audience. Theres some people who refuse to watch anything thats hard yuri for some reason, but will still watch light yuri. kinda like how they choose to omit the yuri tag from a series, even if they get married
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>>4521962
>Not a yuri manga
if anything there's make ex-colleague relationship tease with the MC so I assumed it's borderline to even post the pic (side character girl) in the first place, fearing somebody was going to throw a fit
https://mangadex.org/title/f21cda14-5352-4ae9-82c5-53d68b4d8869/yotaka -futatabi
girl in pic appears in ch3 and ch8
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>>4521965
I'm sure 95% of its readers ships the MC with the recurring male character (who finds her unattractive and smelling like literal poo), but there's too much hint for a possible yuri.
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>>4521997
I think the gaccha girl simping is probably just vague artifact of being the otaku archetype. And, it endears a protagonist to a male otaku audience. "She's literally me!" and so on.
I mean, cool if it is not like that, but that was my first impression/assumption, I don't think there's any real hint she swings that way.
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>>4521983
Cosmic Princess Kaguya has zero plausible deniability though? Sure, the trailers hide its power level, but the actual movie doesn't care to coddle people who are uncomfortable with yuri. You will have Kaguya confess her feelings to Iroha and they will seethe like some moonfags trying to break up the ship only to get a 8000 year long powerplay into "Does it count if my first time is with an Android?", but actually good.
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>>4522056
>zero plausible deniability
If g-witch has plausible deniability, so does kaguya. They never outright state their relationship or get intimate, which is where shit like "its up to interpretation" is able to weasel its way in. It needs hard confirmation that cant be misinterpreted, otherwise it is plausible deniability, thats literally what the term means.
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>>4522060
G-witch doesn't have plausible deniability. The creators confirmed the marriage.
>that's what plausible deniabiltiy means
No, the term means that there must be a plausible alternate explanation that doesn't contradict the facts. There is no explanation that can counter the facts here.
Even if you were actually intentionally dishonest (so not plausible), you could at MOST push some schizo narrative about a one-sided crush. There are several romantic confessions in this movie and a marriage proposal that isn't rejected, but rather accepted.
There is exactly one way to make the yuri not real. By saying the characters are inexplicably lying about everything they say and feel. Is that plausible to you?
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Let's not pretent to be dumber than we really are and stop acting like we don't understand how a work of fiction depicts an unambiguous romantic confession
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>>4522076
and how it depicts something one of the possible interpretations of which is a romantic confession.
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>>4522076
Even if the characters looked into the camera and broke through the fourth wall to say they are dictionary definition lesbians and then pulled up a lesbian romance wiki page to read it to the viewers it would still never break through some of the thick skulls inhabiting /u/ who exist only to be contrarians. Learned to ignore their idiocy and it gives me more time to enjoy riding the wave of steady progress that yuri has made over the years.
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>>4522076
MagiRevo going this detailed on it was more because Anise was in denial about the possibility of having her feelings returned, but it's funny how it also reads like an active shutdown of "plausible deniability" retards. Then again, they do kiss and fuck after this, so I don't really think there would have been any ambiguity regardless.
>>4522079
You are leaving out the part where she tells Iroha that she loves her and immediately says she should marry her afterwards, which frames the confession of love as romantic by default.
And you are also ignoring the part just before this vocal confession in which Kaguya confirms in her mind that she fell in love with Iroha on first sight, which... uh... is not a thing for platonic love.
Try again?
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>>4522084
>The topic was about anti-yuri schizos trying to find plausible deniability. And why they fail.
You being upset with other people who don't share the same opinions as you, even if they are objectively wrong in this case, is not yuri or relevant to this board, or any board from this site.
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>>4522082
Are you in the mood for nitpicking today? Well, then I'll keep this conversation going in the manner you've set.
So, Iroha never said she loved Kaguya. Nor did Iroha ever agree to "marry" Kaguya; she agreed to "continue being together".
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Well they spent the entire new episode of Omae Gotoki on the underground lab thing so I guess the next episode will be Flum against those two guys, some SOL and then they will continue with the plot. Also they added Sara to the second ED pic but I really doubt we will see that much characters there unless they rush the plot.
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Guess we should add "plausible deniablity" to the list of buzzwords used by hetshitter concern trolls. Like "yuribait", or "male gaze (this one is for shows like MahoAko where there's no denial)"
They can be more than buzzwords if used properly, but most use of these terms is trolls using them to shitpost and bait
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>>4522084
Claiming there's "plausible deniability" in clearly gay characters is denying they're gay
The plausible deniability retard right now is actively denying they're explicitly gay. He also did it with two married women (his SuleMio example. When the problem with "up to interpretation" is that it's an statement made by a retard who hasn't watched the show and thinks it only goes as far as something like Lycoris Recoil or Toji no Miko. Yet this retard still thinks the show itself has "plausible deniability". No, it doesn't. And pretending it does means not knowing jackshit, which is incredibliy ridiculous for the company that made it. That's why the statement was so bad. Like calling a female character a dude)
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Plausible deniability has to be... plausible, when you dismiss confessions or marriage proposals you are not trying to argue they are not together anymore, you are trying to cope they are not fucking and this is a cope you can have for 99% of japanese media regardless of yuri.
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>>4522115
Noticing the (seemingly obvious) fact that the creators, let's say, made some effort to sit on two chairs simultanously isn’t the same thing as "actively denying”. Let's not blame them, after all it's commerce first and art second. We'd better be thankful that this time sitting on two chairs didn't turn out as awkward as it did back then with the married BFFs.
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>>4522129
Kill yourself, retard. Your post makes no sense
There's no enlightened "noticing". Just pure copium and denial
And again, the "up to interpretation" shit was some bussiness dude who knows nothing about the show, not any actual "creator"
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>>4522129
While I agree that many works that people label yuri here have creators trying to be creative juggling the line, I feel like the problem is also exacerbated by the fact that the bar for a yuri can be considered "explicit" and "romantic" is too high, and even JP yurifags themselves can't agree on what is yuri or not and what is yuri with romance and whatsnot. This discussion has only gotten worse with Kaguya.
Maybe fans of the genre can benefit from just ignoring the yuri tag and just use the GL tag for more explicit stuff and save everyone the headache.
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>>4522136
In practice it's what already happens, if you take a look at any japanese store, you will see 98% of the titles in a yuri shelf are romance, they are not putting the whole kirara catalog there, only semi friends and a few others, most of the time not even bad girl, they are not making the point of this is yuri or not, rather it's just a natural market reaction to what the consumer who is searching for those products are buying or not, which are mostly romances, if too many products which are not romances start being popularized as yuri, the market will naturally making a distinction because otherwise people will start having problems finding what they want.
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>>4522064
You'll never get an answer, that's why it will destroy the logic and narrative of these people, especially to deny yuri, but at the same time they accept as canon rather weak displays of affection or that are not so different, like that movie of the girl related to the rain, she is sacrificed for the common good, but the boy "saves" her and the life of an entire city goes to shit with permanent rain, that's a happy ending by the way and there are no kisses either.
The moral of the story is that if there's a minimum of affection and it involves men, it's romance; if it's only with women, then people are crazy.
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>>4522203
Something funny about Weathering with you is that Shinkai said in an interview he doesn't see the relationship between the leads as romantic. You can tell he was already already getting tired of being pigeonholed into the role of director who makes the same kind of romance movie every time, then with Suzume he openly started mentioning he was forced to do it again because it's what sells and came up with the forceful chair transformation to intentionally downplay the romance as much as possible. Nobody will tell you those aren't romance movies despite the author's intention tnough. With yuri it's often the opposite, people in bad faith will attempt to downplay absolutely anything.
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>>4522253
lets not make any bold claims when we are in glass houses ourselves
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>>4522255
But let's also be real, this is basically nonexistent in real life, while het pedophiles and even gay male pedophiles are practically rampant. Not defending the Itou Hatchis and the Yuzuki Ryouta of the world, but they are barely a blip
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>>4522098
The literal exchange is
Kaguya: "I should marry Iroha then"
Iroha: "Huh?"
Kaguya: "Is that a no?"
Iroha: "That's not it. As long as you pay half the living expenses I don't mind staying with you"
Unless you are going to use the most blatant and retarded semantics possible, she is not rejecting her and she actively wants to stay with Kaguya, in the context of marriage. Of course they cant get married, because Japan's laws are retarded, but this is just a straightforward exchange.
I dont know why you dodged to his after I literally destroyed your entire case though. It's really random? I explained to you why Kaguya's romantic was in a romantic context and how she repeated her claim that she fell in love with Iroha even internally. No wiggle room.
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>>4522297
Uh no... the entire movie is about never going back to the moon and literally being an escaped fugitive essentially.
Also Lunarians seem to be mostly emotionless programs who don't give a shit about relationships, so I doubt they have marriage. They literally invaded the second Kaguya made a marriage proposal that was accepted, so they are clearly the "ryaju explode!" types.
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>>4522291
nta but i dont think Iroha really responded to the marriage part specifically. She waved it off while agreeing to continue living with Kaguya, which is pretty much what Kaguya was asking for anyways and was just being a bit hyperbolic in the heat of the moment since they just performed a concert. practically the same thing under a different name in their eyes though
>i think maybe i should just marry you
>whaaa
>no, then?
>i guess if you pay half the rent and bills, i dont mind us living together
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>>4522291
Let's all think about why the writer decided that Iroha should respond in this particular way, what the point of it is in terms of storytelling. Why not just say, "I love you too and want to marry you"? Maybe to show that Iroha is a tsundere? Perhaps, but isn't the ultimate goal of a romantic story with a tsundere to show that she eventually opens up and becomes able to honestly say what she couldn't before? Meanwhile, in this case, that doesn't happen.
Perhaps the screenwriter just wanted to train the audience's so-called Media Literacy? Very likely, let's agree on that.
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>>4522403
>She waved it off while agreeing to continue living with Kaguya
Except there was no reason to reaffirm that they will keep living together. Their arrangement is already indefinite as long as the Lunarians dont come to pick her up.
It's Iroha's indirect tsundere way of accepting the proposal. And once again the love confession before is put into a romantic context on purpose, which I find far more important.
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>>4522404
>Why does the tsundere not confess back 50% into the movie
Gee, I wonder? The fact that she does not reject her at all is already way more honest than any tsundere usually gets.
And what do you mean anyway? By the end of the movie she literally openly states that she wants to be with Kaguya and that her happy ending depends entirely on staying with her.
In the Light Novel she calls Kaguya her beloved and it's stated that their grandparents are angry at her because they won't get any granchildren.
I just don't understand these facetious pretend arguments. You know you are wrong, but you are just doing it out of boredom, aren't you?
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>>4522407
>In the Light Novel she calls Kaguya her beloved
That's nice, but it's exactly another case of what was mentioned above as 'sitting on two chairs'. The main story is crafted in such a way as not to offend any audience, while what isn't intended for all audiences is hidden in the side materials.
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>>4522418
Why are you lying though? Do you think the general audience that doesnt actually exist, who is magically offended by yuri, would be fine having Kaguya being openly in love with Iroha? You are making zero sense.
I will tell you something, this movie isn't for a general audience. This is a movie for otaku. A movie for vocaloid fans and Vtuber fans and idol fans. A movie for people who love Sakuga battle animations and a movie for people who love dance choreography. And it is a movie for yuri fans first and foremost. If you dislike any one of these things you can still enjoy the movie anyway. The director made the movie openly gay and didn't give a shit if you wouldn't like that. He already knew the vocaloidfags would watch it regardless. He knew the animation fetishists would eat it up. This movie was going to succeed regardless of whether it had yuri or not, but he chose to make it undeniably yuri. There is zero ambiguity in it.
The side-materials enhance and add, they are not required to see the fucking obvious. You are absolutely shitposting, because if you watched the movie you would already know you had no case at all. It's a yuri romance movie.
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>Ienai Himitsu No Aishikata
I just read this since I remembered liking it in the past but never finished it. Now that I've finished reading it again it makes me sad that my fond memories aren't going to hold up. Blackmailing her teacher into a secret cohabitation lover pact had so much potential for flirting but instead the entire thing was about this 3rd wheel love triangle bullshit. I need to find better yuri to cleanse my soul of this disappointment.
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Below 1.5 — Not sulking.
1.5…2 — Sulking slightly.
2…3 — Sulking moderately.
3…5 — Sulking hard.
Above 5 — Someone call an ambulance!
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It's a pain in the ass to scroll through a bunch of low quality, unrelated art. When will anons learn to use art alongside their posts instead of spamming useless pics? The rest of the board is full with worthless image dump threads, just go to those. Don't be a spambot, actually talk about yuri.
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>>4521432
progress? no, at least not in the whats been scanned so far.
but there are the typical CGDCT cliches like the token stalker with a crush for her and the representative that gets confessed to by girls which leads to occasional yuri antics
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>>4522526
What drives someone post such an easily verifiable lie?
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>>4522573
I've done this by printing the pages on glossy photo paper and putting it in a little photo album. I had to do a slight crop to make it fit since photo paper sizes the online services offered aren't a perfect match to the average fanart or doujinshi page size. I was tempted to get a nice printer to do it myself but decided against it and just got a tablet to read on instead.
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>>4522589
Anon, it was already pointed out that the novel confirms Iroha's feelings. This isn't news. In fact that section is still more abstract than the parts where she just straight up says she loves her.
As if the movie wasn't already obvious enough...
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As a random girl from the countryside, Flum was the least known of the heros. And the heros aren't supposed to be in the city often, and nobody expects a hero to have a slave mark. At best they would assume it's a someone else that looks like her.
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>2011
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>>4522682
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>>4522687
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>>4522682
>Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon), produced by Sunrise, aired its first season of 13 episodes in Japan from October 1, 2011, to December 24, 2011
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>>4522840
I do get it. Which is why I can't stand idiots who complain about a lack of yuri in current year. We are living in the yuri rennaissance. Yeah we still get garbage like MahoAko getting an anime instead of actual good yuri works, but we also get a high budget WataNare adaptation or a Cosmic Princess Kaguya out of nowhere. Love You Till Your Dying Day will also come out this year. It's great.
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>>4522882
>"Shit, we need to double the budget again to compete with the lesbian fairy tale princess"
The real funny part is that the director of Cosmic Princess Kaguya said one of the major inspirations was actually Madoka Magika. It came full circle.
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>>4522917
You sure love asking the bad questions.
In summary, it's neither. But it does have lots of yuri subtext. And I guess some fanservice kisses between girls, but they arent seriously romantic. The actual main pairings haven't kissed yet.
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>>4522829
Yes, there are many characters, but as far as I understand, there aren't really that many Het couples as such (many characters without any relationship), the number may even be equal to or even less than the Het couples in Mai-hime, besides they are not the only yuri couple either.
Furthermore, the yuri couple is more relevant than many want to pretend; even their daughters (from the future) are antagonists at a certain point (along with the other children from the future). If the couple weren't important, then they wouldn't even do that with them.
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>>4523072
Almost all of season 2 was about a het couple and the yuri couple was an afterthought... You mention their children from the future, but also immediately admit they are just a part of a whole group of all children from the future.
Clearly they are not that important.
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>>4522837
Because there is a huge difference between a secondary couple and subtext as such, but when you refer to a series as subtext (yuri) this is a relevant element for the series itself (that's why Yurucamp after S1 is so disappointing) and then you have the cases where the series in question is not even subtext, but the yuri itself is a shared element.
>>4522839
>>Subtext isn't yuri
Apply your logic to the Het or Yaoi subtext, and you'll be seen by them as an idiot who doesn't value an obvious and clearly canon pairing, even though that's not the case.
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>>4523079
>het subtext
Barely exists. Hetshitters nigh universally get explicit romance, always.
>BL subtext
Why should I give a shit? But in truth fujos are in the same boat. They hate how often pairings are non-comittal. Except their brains are even more fried than yurifags, so they are somehow fine as long as they can ship. We should have a higher standard and actually want explicit yuri.
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>>4523075
If they weren't important, they would be sidelined and their existence as a couple would simply be anecdotal, because you ignore that there are less important characters like the fat guy, the Hindu, the slime, the incubus, the dragon, the bitter guy, the incubus and a handful of other people who are not as important or relevant as one might expect. Margot and Malga are ridiculously prominent, a secondary couple but super important to their group (as I said, they are not the only yuri couple either). Even on their cover they appear together and not alone like the rest of the girls.
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>>4523084
This is a cast of 40+ characters, so yes, there are even more unimportant side-characters. But that series literally does a "this arc focuses on these character, then we focus on the next characters" chain of story beats. After their moment in the spotlight, characters get completely sidelined. And the yuri couple barely does anything after. Only like the core 6 characters get to be relevant in every arc.
So yes, they arent that important.
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>>4523081
>>Barely exists. Hetshitters nigh universally get explicit romance, always.
So, series like Hyokka or Another don't exist? People want to pretend they're romance series, but it's just subtext for the main characters. It's even more hilarious when you clearly ignore major franchises like Pokémon (the only real romance is in XY&Z), Digimon (you only have the terrible epilogue), or Yu-Gi-Oh! (only Zexal with a canon main couple). All of these have one thing in common: a furious and territorial fanbase of hetfags who see their pairings as absolute and universal canon.
>>Why should I give a shit?
It's not so much about standards, but I don't see those people complaining about the obvious complacency, even when it comes to praising super mediocre series like YoI, Samunenco, that silly Mecha series about talking robots that people forgot existed in less than a week, (yes, even Banana Fish) it even applies to something like Tigger and Bunny or various Shonen series where the supposed couples suck at best.
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>>4523093
>>Only like the core 6 characters get to be relevant in every arc.
Although in what S2 covers, the MC isn't really that relevant beyond brief moments and people supporting a date, the plot focuses on about 4 other groups of characters and the MC is almost a guest in his own series.
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>>4523095
You are bullshitting though, because hetfags get into ship wars all the time. So by default they are not universally treated as canon, because the only series that dont have canon het romance tend to give them multi-pairings to project on.
>fujos dont complain
You havent heard about all the death threats, huh? Fujos are famous for those.
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>>4523099
>>So by default they are not universally treated as canon
I was an active participant in the Pokémon shipping war during the AG/DP era. It's not about options or possibilities for pairings; it's about your favorite pairing being the only existing possibility, and all hints about that pairing being universal and absolute. If anyone says otherwise, it's because they're an idiot contradicting a universal rule and an idea that everyone should share. No other hint or possibility besides your chosen pairing has any value or importance, even if it's all the same crap in the end. That's why even today you have idiots pretending that Liko and Roy are a real thing, when literally Liko's only romantic possibility is Dot or even Liko's female Pokémon.
>>You havent heard about all the death threats
Everyone does that, but that part of the fandom doesn't represent the rest of the idiots throwing money at the fire of complacent garbage. I just hope those people don't pretend that the stupid project of Disney villains turned into attractive guys alongside other attractive guys is seen as something good or anime of the year.
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Changing the subject to something sillier.
With the anime Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu, I saw yuri things in the first game and thought that with the format of the series, the only yuri possibility for the MC would be with a rival in some game or something like that... which ended up happening in the second game, even "Koi" is used and everything, although it could be seen as a whim of the MC, saving the life of a girl she considers beautiful, even though she clearly hates you because you want to be on top of her when she wants to be on top of you (literally) in addition to fighting hand to hand with a wolf that is afraid of the light.
Is this world so bizarre that even yuri can't be normal?
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>>4523125
The difference is that het is objectively bad. I don't understand the defeatist attitude of so many people here in every damn way. They act as if yuri could never be good, or as if all yuri anime were cheap or stupid. yuri has been superior to het since almost 2004 onward, titles that have maintained a certain relevance throughout all these years, in contrast to titles (het) that aren't as relevant as some think, or that het isn't even as important an element as some claim. Nothing the hetfags say is valid; they'll always pretend to be right even when reality says the complete opposite. yuri isn't an underdog that exists out of pity; it's something that has been kicking its competition where it really matters for years. What we see now isn't something new, but rather the recognition it has always deserved.
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>>4523118
>>How did nobody ban him yet anyway?
Because I'm not a triggerfag who pretends that het series are yuri, just to post pictures of his waifus and attack those who think otherwise, nor am I a GBfag who gets angry that nobody likes clearly het garbage and uses biology as an excuse to promote het series.
Because many of you are quite tolerant of those people, by the way.
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>>4523133
Ok... the actual yuri stuff like manga and novels and games that were out in the past were good, sure, but there werent a lot of them compared to hetshit. So yes, yuri was always the underdog and there has almost never been much good yuri in the anime space until maybe the mid 2010s. The occasional Strawberry Panic is an exception.
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>>4523137
>>you hetshitter
Have you never seen a hetfag in your life? I wish I could say that, but there are several here who are just that and come only to rant against yuri while praising any crap that has sakuga and happens to have het.
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There's a problem that many here don't seem to understand: not all series that aren't yuri, or that only have yuri in one season, are het or yaoi. Many are shows with or without some kind of prominent romance. There are also family relationships, or simply no real romance at all (subtext at best, if there is any). Furthermore, not all fantasy series are isekai, and not all isekai are het harems. With that in mind, het isn't as prevalent as hetfags would have you believe.
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>>4523152
Het couples and hetshit are permeating nearly all fiction. A show doesnt need to be about romance and somehow a het couple still sneaks in to ruin it. If a male and a female main character are in the same movie, there are very big chances they will kiss at some point.
It's far less likely that you can fully scrape off all het from a work than you pretend. Het is universally present and universally assumed in most fiction.
This is why yuri and BL are perceived as outside forces that are "intrusive", They are not expected, they are not common. Nobody blinks an eye if some het romance subplot appears in anything mainstream, but beware of that random token lesbian or gay guy.
Stop pretending to be stupid. Yuri is niche and het is not. You have to curate your media consumption and limit yourself heavily to avoid het. That's just a fact.
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>>4523159
You're so general and make a lot of assumptions, it's like everything is het until proven otherwise (not even that), ignoring tons of works that don't even feature romance as an element, and I'm talking about multiple media. So, is Goat Simulator het?
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If I had a nickel every time a yurifag turns to yaoi I would have two nickels, which isn't much but I've seen it happen in recent memory. I'm aware the other way around isn't all that uncommon but how that THIS happen? Why? I can only see it as deterioration of taste
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>>4522885
What if the fairytale that the new Madoka movie is based on turns out to be The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, and Madoka is Kaguya?
"I'm sorry, Homura-chan, I love you, but I have to go back to the Law of the Cycle - they're coming for me"
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>>4523381
Some crazy people did kind of analyze the Rebellion material that was shown before the movie and figured some of that out.
But yeah, I got no clue what the new movie will actually be about. Seems pretty confusing. I'll be honest if it wasn't another chance for MadoHomu to get canon, I would not give a damn about this movie, because it feels totally unnecessary.
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>It's depressing to know that it's Jan and yuri of the year is already decided.
you might as well think of it as yuri anime of the decade or of all time, there isn't much competition that can compare to it to begin with, and it's not like it would've been realistic to expect something even better to come at any point
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>>4523764
So the archives are now compromised and are no longer trustworthy
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anyone want to share their manga 3x3s?
I was putting together mine but I kept gravitating towards manga's i read recently most likely because of recency bias. there are definitely gems from the past however time always bumps them down
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>>4523911
3x3 isn't enough for me. I've probably re-read over 9 things I'd consider all-time favorites just in the last month. There is too much good yuri now and I don't have the heart to discard one great yuri for another.
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Reread when feeling down, reread when feeling good, ready to reread at any time of year, at any time of day or night.
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>>4523972
She's the most beautiful Adachi and so smart that she's able to channel her autism-level devotion into a scientific breakthrough to be with her love, no wonder she won.
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>>4523990
A story about a girl in love with another girl is yuri, now if it was a story about something else but with a girl in love with another girl then it wouldn't be yuri. Though yes, that anon has a taste for nothing happens stories.
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I guess if the criteria for yuri is that people don't try to argue it isn't yuri, Lycoris has recieved a big unintended upgrade with the NIKKE collab
You'd think it being a subtext plausible deniability show, yuri haters would try to play the "not yuri" card. But nope, the reaction to the collab is negative because these rabid assholes who hate yuri see LycoReco as yuri. And hate their game pandering to yuri and collabing with a yuri show. None of them try to deny Lyco yuri. Even they see the intentions of Lyco
This means the Majimatard is worse than gacha yuri haters. Since he tries to deny yuri that even those scum don't deny. Interesting stuff. Wasn't expecting to see so many yuri haters admit they see Lyco as yuri
Given the Magia Record collab, it seems that with the sequel taking so long, Aniplex have just decided to whore Lyco to gacha collabs. And of course, the Nikke devs would take a popular IP to collab with if allowed. They have done it before with Re Zero, CSM, Eva
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>>4524049
More like franchises that are popular and the production is willing to whore out. It was also in Madoka first, as I said
Are you gonna claim Madoka is het now?. And reminder: Yuri haters comparing us to the pedo overlord because of that one email linking here still think it's yuri
Why do you push het more than those scum?
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>>4523936
I liked all of themexcept run away since that author just isn't for me. Introspective implied romances are nice sometimes too.
>>4523990
MC's ex-crush having a daughter who falls in love with the MC is an established subgenre of yuri age gaps at this point. Why wouldn't it count? Did you ignorethe romantic tension that caused issues at the climax of the story followed up by them agreeing to live together when she becomes an adult? Surely they only show her impatiently waiting for adulthood because they want to live together as just friendly roommates, surely.
>>4524011
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2.5D Seduction author/editor chickened out just as it was starting to develop the relationship between the fan favorite childhood friend character with the blonde lesbian. Last 20-30 chapters or so got rushed the fuck out and betrayed multiple plot points to make way for the most generic cliche hetshit romance ending.
Perhaps it was the right decision (financially) as the barely existing yuri fanbase of this series didn't complain about this nonsensical plot progression anyway. Couldn't say the same about hetfags. Their monkey brains couldn't even stand their favorite girl being mutually in love with a girl for a few pages, somehow.
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>>4524078
Many collaborations are based on literally nothing: licenses they can obtain or IPs they can access. The copyright world is a bitch. Furthermore, most of the higher-ups haven't got a clue what they're doing. To them, there's no difference between a friendly yuri series (at its worst) and a pathetic rom-com harem. They have cute girls, they just leave out the men, and problem solved.
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Now, I have to say, it's amazing to see people still trying to push LR when you got WFM or Kaguya which are miles of difference from it and even so both of those series are just scraps with nothing worth talking about.
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>>4524083
yuri is and never will be mutually exclusive with each other; that one thing is yuri or more yuri than another, does not take away the fact that something is yuri under its own terms and will continue to be yuri, no matter how hard a handful of hetfags want to believe otherwise, especially when there really is no het in the first place.
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>>4524080
Again, other yuri franchises have done so. It's irrelevant
>>4524081
Exactly. Which is why the retard would need to deny stuff like Symphogear, BRS and Madoka itself. They have also shown up in het gacha
>>4524082
You're the one selling a false narrative no one is buying. My narrative is based on watching the show. Some of those retards did admit to watching the show and dropping because it was too yuri for them, LMAO. You're objectively worse than them. Consider sucide
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>>4524083
Normal people can like several things. I like Kaguya and WFM, but also LycoReco. Kaguya and WFM just aren't enough though. I need more shows and movies with action and fights. Stuff that isn't your typical HS romance and actually has a budget. The narrator and low quality kill Omae Gotoki anime. It's going to be a while before stuff like Lycoris is made completely obsolete. I wish the day would come where there's enough maintext yuri anime that it happens, but this world sucks too much for such a good reality to ever come true
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>>4524087
The gacha died and only lives on as a memory of what not to ever do. If that's your standard, no yuri is real because all of it risks suddenly going het harem when the creator goes insane. The risk is never 0. Maybe 0.0000000001% but not complete 0%
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>>4524085
I am not interested in your schizophrenia about hetfags, years ago I said in this board exactly what would happen, people would just forget LR existed a year after it aired and to make it even more blatant, pretty much every yuri teasing show that aired since then had actual gay content even if ultimately they didn't commit to portraying the characters as a couple. No one gives a shit about your Chisato and Takina ship anymore because they all can see how little is there.
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>>4524079
And WFM is in the typical crossover Gundam games (the latest being a gacha) which are mostly het because WfM is the only yuri Gundam, and SRW Y and future SRWs which can be het depending which MC you pick, but most importantly are full of het franchises otherwise because yuri doesn't have many titles that qualify to make a full SRW and given the animations, licenses, voice acting, the games not being cheap to make means that even if they could have enough titles to make SRW /u/, they wouldn't. They need the sales from fans of the het shows
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>Omae Gotoki anime
It was never alive because it's a guro+yuri show, there's no precedent about a show like that so it isn't surprising that it didn't get TenTen's budget, also Milkit's lack of communication skills, the reason for the narrator to be a thing, and the problem that the best part of the story begins with volume 2 didn't help.
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>>4524094
Not enough of them are more yuri than Lyco. The ones that are are shit adaptations like Omae Gotoki where the shit quality fails to satisfy. I put up with it only because I'm hungry for anything remotely yuri or yuri teasing. But this story deserved much better adaptation..
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>>4524097
I am honestly not sure what you are talking about, the series is doing well on streaming and people on /a/ are enjoying it because most fantasy series airing every season have similar budgets, I am honestly confused why this board became so obsessed with budget when most of the anime community doesn't give a shit, maybe because they are not treating anime like a competition and are just enjoying seeing shit adapted, unless it has actual production issues like OPM3.
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Nah. It's legit subpar. Most fantasy shows are
And of ccourse, animation fans want their stuff to look nice
Do you think Kaguya would be as popular as it is if it looked like Omae Gotoki?. It's the super rare combination of a great production with actual maintext yuri that made it so big. Meanwhile, the maintext adaptations with shit production like Omae Gotoki are forgotten quicker than Lyco ever was after their single season (where nothing much happens because of the slow burn curse. Great for source, shit for the single cour adaptation), and only remembered for being maintext adaptations. But not any merit of the anime itself. No much reason to watch anime instead of checking out source, which means they fail hard as anime
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>Hikkikomari
That one was a disaster. The typical "starts well but quickly enough quality falls off a cliff". Once the dreaded moment comes, it's inconsistent as hell, with some nice sequences sandwiched beetween legit awful stuff
>Shokei Shoujo, TenTen.
I hate how easy it is for hetshit to get several seasons and these are abandoned after a single cour. Gimme more seasons of both.
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Because they had a LOT of talking and not so much action, the only one that had more action like you said, started falling apart midway, they were all low budget shows.
>>4524105
Again the series is doing well on streaming because the audience for shows like this isn't worried if the budget is lacking, they are aware some shows have better budgets than others and are not crying for every show to be a super production, if you are only going to watch those, you can count on your hand how many shows you will watch every year, if even that.
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I know not everything can be a super production
Thus, why I keep watching. But it's this limitation that means Lycoris isn't obsolete. Because while it's not as yuri as it should be, it's still a show about fighting girls with great production and enough yuri tease. As long as the norm for gayer shows is incomplete mediocre stuff like Omae Gotoki, shows like Lyco still have a place. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. As it stands, being picky with how gay a show is is like being picky about it's animation
If you're ever gonna watch the super gay shows. then you only ever have a few adaptations per year. The same arguments that justify watching stuff with subpar animation (not enough actual decent productions) justify watching stuff with subpar subtext yuri (not enough good maintext yuri shows)
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>>4524127
Shows like LR don't "still have a place", they exist, you cannot make so they don't exist, people are going to watch those shows regardless of the circumstances, people will watch Frieren and even ship the girls for a season because it's a popular show, but it won't survive beyond that outside of it's intended audiences. LR just had specials and a new novel and no one cares, most of the shipping the series has long moved on, because again, we had much better subtext (and even that is arguable) shows in this regards that gave people much more to work from, you are trying to find an unnecessary justification like "action series" to say the series isn't obsolete, but like I said above, any non yuri series can fill the same role and will always fill the same role because no one is thinking in those lines, they are just watching the shows.
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>no one cares
Despite the other anon coping, no one cares about the maintext adaptations with shit productions either. This isn't an argument you want to make. People move on from those even faster and only care about the sources, but not the anime itself. So you don't want to use this argument. It's bad and all yuri suffers this until the industry starts pumping yuri with good productions which will never happen
> we had much better subtext (and even that is arguable) shows in this regards that gave people much more to work from
Like what? I don't remember them. By your own argument of "forggotten"= bad, those shows are worse than Lyco
> any non yuri series can fill the same role and will always fill the same role because no one is thinking in those lines, they are just watching the shows.
What is this nonsense?. No seriously, I don't get what you actually mean. But either way, no. Those non-yuri series can't fill the same role Lyco does. Not for me. No matter how much you insist
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>>4524136
Nope. The actual gay shows are shitty unjustified adaptations that you miss nothing if you read the source. So they're pretty pointless as anime and actually forgotten in place of their respective manga and LNs once they're done airing.
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>>4524137
>until the industry starts pumping yuri with good productions which will never happen
Give it 5 years. Financialy conservative companies wait 5 years after things like Cosmic Princess Kaguya or Watanare make a lot of money, with some luck we will get a good maintext action yuri by 2031.
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>>4524137
>Despite the other anon coping, no one cares about the maintext adaptations with shit productions either. This isn't an argument you want to make. People move on from those even faster and only care about the sources, but not the anime itself. So you don't want to use this argument. It's bad and all yuri suffers this until the industry starts pumping yuri with good productions which will never happen
You are the one making this distinction, whether people are talking about the anime or the source, it's all the same thing as long it's yuri, this is the point you seem to be missing.
>Like what? I don't remember them. By your own argument of "forggotten"= bad, those shows are worse than Lyco
For example Gundam and Ave Mujica.
>What is this nonsense?. No seriously, I don't get what you actually mean. But either way, no. Those non-yuri series can't fill the same role Lyco does. Not for me. No matter how much you insist
They do, we have seen with Frieren or that food anime or that one called tankopi or something similar, they all hit the same audiences that LR did and all had a similar reaction.
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>>4524148
If people are talking about the source,, then they aren't talking about the anime. And I'm talking about why I as an anime watcher, care about Lyco still
>Gundam and Ave Mujica
Only Gundam is action. MyGo/Ave Mujica is music melodrama and not much to my taste. Nice, but won't fill the same needs Lyco does
I need more than a single show to stop giving a fuck about Lyco
>They do, we have seen with Frieren or that food anime or that one called tankopi or something similar, they all hit the same audiences that LR did and all had a similar reaction.
This is just your delusions to justify your hate. Regardless, to me they don't .So too bad for you
The shows aren't the same as Lyco and won't be.
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>>4524155
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore
And yuri fanart is a shitty argument when talking about the content of shows. Can I post het haremshit because it has yuri fanart? Is that what you're trying to say? That anything with yuri fanart is yuri?
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>>4524157
No anon, my point is very clear, you keep saying LR wasn't forgotten and those shows couldn't replace it's role, but they did, the same audience even most of the same yuri fanartists treated those shows no different they did LR.
As far content is concerned, does LR have confessions? Does one of the girls starts walking on her fours while screaming how much she loves another woman? Does the girls want to get married to each other? Do they get married to each other? Do they Kiss even if it's on the cheek? Do they get jealous they are interacting with other people? Why don't your tell me if LR is closer to Gundam or Kaguya or to Frieren and the other two?
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>>4524163
Whatever you say, retard. You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about
And still, the same applies to your precious maintext. Most fanartists don't treat the maintexts any different. They get easily forgotten and replaced by your logic
Anime watchers in general quickly replace old seasonals with whatever is airing in present. Actual solid fanbases that remain after no new content are small and rare. Madoka is getting a new sequel and almost no one cares. Few cared about MahoAko while it was on hiatus.
Lyco is factually closer to Kaguya, Ave Mujica or Gundam than Frieren or whatever other shows you want to claim "replaced it". Not like it matters because 3 shows that are better in like 4 years is not that many, and like I said, they aren't the same. Distinction may not matter to you, but it matters to me
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>>4524149
But we're talking about the main series; spin-offs can appeal to anything. The opposite also happens; look at the FGO spin-offs that claim Gudako is important, when the "main" material keeps insisting that the soft-sided board man is a "good character."
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It's hilarious to bring up Ave Mujica anyways and not pretend the fanbase turned on it harder than they ever did against Lyco. Seriously, the hate is unreal, Lots of people who think it's horrendous writing and unrealistic and schizo and ruins MyGo
What the chinese did against Lyco after it ended pales in comparison to what they did to AveMuji while it was airing. You can personally like it, but if we're talking about being forgotten and how it is treated by audiences as a wholre, the melodrama and schizo shit and writing ruin whatever yuri you want to bring up. Very bad show to bring up now that I remember the shitshow
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>>4524174
Just incredibly low ratings and people who think the writing is incredibly bad and too ridiculous compared to MyGo. Stuff like Mutsumi's multiple personality shit in particular was recieved quite badly. There's even rumours that the director inserted shit against the writer's wishes or that something bad happened behind scenes and this is why she didn't seem to care or react much to Ave Mujica and why she apparently left the franchise with Ave Mujica as her last project. As a result: The chinese hate the Ave Mujica director as much as they do certain Lyco staff members if not even more
LycoReco is seen as just dissapointing and unsatisfying at worst. AveMuji is seen as a trainwreck trashfire.
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>>4524183
I'm just saying what people were saying. Regardless, they see it as an step down from MyGo and ruining everything with inconsistent soap opera writing and melodrama about unstable girls that is too ridiculous compared to the more down to earth drama in MyGO. Maybe she just lost her touch or MyGO was a rare miracle
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No one said this, it's not irrelevant as we have a whole industry centered at maintext yuri titles, this is your reaction to it, people buying the works, because they already gives their audience what they want. Meanwhile the moment the shipping community moves on, you don't have anyone supporting the interpreted yuri aspect of those subtext shows anymore and the LR ones moved on very fast.
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>>4524185
I can't take the Chinese audience seriously. I'm not saying the series doesn't have problems, but many of those complaints are simply mental retardation. I still remember when they cried during the mini-concert with the original band members. Those people were shouting NTR and getting offended by it.
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>>Meanwhile the moment the shipping community moves on, you don't have anyone supporting the interpreted yuri aspect of those subtext shows anymore and the LR ones moved on very fast.
I don't know what world you live in, but these people might be the most dedicated and loyal fans of a series that could exist. That's why you can have doujinshi or even the smallest art from series that are 10 or 20 years old, and I'm talking about subtext (which isn't open to interpretation, by the way). But more than the stupidity that the hetfags try to promote, the dedicated fandom doesn't see the difference between text and subtext; they just see pairings, and that's what keeps them alive the longest (we're not talking about Waifus of the Month).
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>>4524210
That's not what subtext means. Subtext is literally reading between the lines, something the author/director puts in their work and it's the reader/viewer's job to be able to see. Stop confusing terms to support your narrative. Free interpretation of something is its own thing.
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You are not the author or the director, you don't know their intentions and shouldn't pretend you do, you are just making an interpretation of the text and assuming either by common sense or by intuition what it's supposed to mean and I am pretty sure by how defensive you have been acting the whole time that you are very aware your interpretation of the work in question is controversial and no amount of you calling other people dumb or "hetfags" have made any difference in the last years. And I also strong suspect if the author or director themselves said your interpretation is wrong you would say it doesn't matter like many in this board have done so in the past.
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>>4524224
>Why do the Chinese say this is a bad anime?
Terminal case of shit taste
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>>4524220
Nothing you say makes any sense, you just make very strong assumptions and ignore many things.
In general, subtext isn't really difficult to see; you just need to be observant. This applies to many other aspects of a work, not just yuri, such as a family being destroyed by possible infidelity (Pokemon AG) or an antagonist in a children's series who has killed people and done horrible things (Kira Kira Precure). It's not explicitly stated, but it's made clear; there's no room for interpretation, only intentions.
>>And I also strong suspect if the author or director themselves said your interpretation is wrong you would say it doesn't matter like many in this board have done so in the past.
As I said, things that are open to interpretation are something completely different from subtext and work differently. Ironically, the only ones I've seen deny an author's words are those who force their waifu/het series as yuri (Gridaman or Eupho), but out of personal pride and not because they actually care about yuri.
>>dumb or "hetfags"
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>>4524226
Mortis elevated Mutsumi from an otherwise forgettable character to one of the best characters, because she is fun. I prefer this to the nonsense that Kara no Kyoukai made and that many praise, especially when the personalities that remained are as entertaining as watching paint dry.
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>>if we use this a lot of shitposting could be avoided
Nah, a lot of people are proud of their own ignorance; it's easier for them to assume they're right when they're not. They just want to feel superior to others. At this point, even yuri is irrelevant to those people.
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MC-kun has nothing in common with CF-chan whatsoever. CF orbits him because he saved her from the bullies once 10 years ago. On top of that he didn't even feel much romantic interests in real girls. It's like it's making fun of the generic romcom plot.
Then there's the lesbian character who's into the CF. CF and her immediately clicked and shared a lot of things in common. CF was her first love, she spent her entire life in girls school and got asked out a lot, but no one clicked with her. CF was the first person she could feel that crush on. She wanted CF to grow up and stop being so emotionally attached to M-kun. So far it was setting up to be Haganai but gayer. But no, gotta pander to your main audience.
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>>4524370
Theyve taken Yuri hostage, and this is their list of demands (scary!!)
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>>4524385
It's the manga version of this one.
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>It's literally some of the best in the genre
nta but i dont like how autistic the MC became around the time of the confession, was really silly. Felt forced and thought it detracted from the otherwise really well done character development they had going between the two of them up until then.
i still really liked it, but i also wouldn't put it in my 3x3, competition is too tight
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>>4523911
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>>4524171
Their hate for Ave Mujica is exacerbated by how much they loved Mygo prior, but they still hate the shit out of LycoReco too. The difference is they don’t really direct their hate towards the characters of Ave Mujica meanwhile they despise Chisato along with writer.
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Chisato was only interesting when there was hope Takina's feelings would reach her and change her, and they briefly did when she tried to kill Majima. But then she reverted to her usual self, the overly excited sociopath who doesn't understand or care about the people who love her and sacrifice for her. Then ah let's go travel. It was shitty choice after shitty choice. It makes a re-watch impossible. The only thing worse was the golf show.
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>>4524413
This is cope. They hate Lyco far less than they do AveMuji
You can think whatever about the shows yourself, but this is the reality of the reaction. Lyco is indeed saved by not being a sequel to a beloved show. And in terms of not hating characters, false_ They hate Mutsumi and her shit far more than they ever do Chisato. And Tomori. They shat on the Crychic reunion concert and her performance. The hate for Lyco only came for the finale. AveMujica recieved hate far before that
So, honestly: I can't believe Lyco has a worse reception. Only one show here started recieving hate before it was halfway over
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Make up your own opinions and argue them instead of trying to use retards online for validation
"People forgot x" "people love y". Who the fuck cares about "people"? Do YOU like it, or not? Say why and use your own words instead of using popularity or the lack of it to validate yourself like a retard
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>>4524426
While I wouldn't go so far, I also hate Chisato being so static. The writers were clearly too in love with her martyr personality and her "must not kill. I'd prefer to die myself if it costs someone else their life" mindset. They clearly saw it as some enlightened shit (it isn't) and were too afraid to let Chisato develop, to let her change and think some people deserve death and she deserves to live.
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>>4524444
> They hate Mutsumi and Tomori
I guess I'm spiritually Chinese then. Tomori is one of those characters that shows are clearly way too proud of themselves for. And in AM she was way too central. Overall crappy writing.
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>>4524466
>>forcing the Joker dude as a love interest
No, it wasn't done. This literally just shows little to no understanding of what was happening on screen. There's a difference between interpreting and making everything up.
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Frankly, at this point, the (Chinese) hatred of AveMujica and Lyco feels more like the hatred that the Dragon Ball Super anime received, not because of the real problems that the series had, but because it destroyed preconceptions and expectations of people who think they are intelligent, it disrupted their comfort zone and they couldn't accept that.
There's a small, independent problem with MyGo and Ave Mujica; these aren't independent series, no matter how much a group of lazy snobs want to push it. These are the fourth and fifth seasons of the BanG dream anime continuity. It's funny to read the down-to-earth nonsense when this continuity literally has a technological battle suit.
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>>4524444
>They hate Mutsumi and her shit far more than they ever do Chisato. And Tomori
Wtf i love China now.
Thank you Soyo for saving MyGo; Soyo x Anon is infinitely more enjoyable than Anon x Tomori will ever be
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>>4524466
>Ave Mujica has MyGo
And this is the problem. Fucking up a sequel to a beloved show is seen as worse than fucking up an standalone show
Lyco harms only itself with it's fumbles. Ave harms a beloved show (MyGo) and that's worse. Also ChisaTaki aren't blood related. The UiSaki blood relation reveal is seen as sinking the ship far harder than anything Lyco did by forcing them to be strictly family and closing off all other possiblities
Friends can go become lovers. Family? Harder, unless it's a fetish show, and AveMuji too many didn't feel like a fetish show, so Hatsune being Sakiko's aunt feels like a much harsher ship sinking.
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>>4524470
There was no real hate just unhinged UmiTaki and AnonSoyo shippers being unhinged shippers. Ave Mujica had a good reception in the end because it had two more ships that were HatsuSaki and NyaMutsu (ironically most NyaMutsu fanfics on AO3 are in chinese)
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>>4524469
They are part of Bandori, yes. But only because they already had the game and they weren't gonna waste the chance to include them in there And making a new game was equally silly. The whole thing is like a soft-reboot, you can easily watch without any BanDori because it was first concieved as a separate project. Even in the final product, BD stuff is cameos and the most relevance they have is one BD band inspiring Sakiko to form Crychic. But that could have easily been an original unnamed band in a version of the show that isn't part of BD
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>>4524473
You're making a retard out of yourself.
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>>4524475
>the incest ship and the ship with the soap opera madwoman at the center of the writing issues who sucked screentime for her unhinged shit and is seen as one of the biggest problems
Of course, some chinese might not mind (hence the fanfics), but to most these are the worst and the center of the issues. There was no redemption. The show is seen as a trainwreck that drags down a beloved show like MyGo
If you still like it: fine. But just like me liking Lyco doesn't change how others feel about it, you liking Ave Mujica doesn't change that others hate it to death and see it as horrible writing
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>>4524477
But that's not the case, and that's what really matters at the end of the day. It's similar to pretending that Vento Aureo and the Ruby/Sapphire arc (manga) are not part of the series' continuity and can be read independently, when that's not the case.
>>ut that could have easily been an original unnamed band in a version of the show that isn't part of BD
No, actually, the fact that they are those bands is important for both series. It's completely ignored that Riki was also inspired by another important BD band. In addition, one of the members of MyGo is the granddaughter of the old witch, a very important character for the beginnings of the series, so you can't use the silly excuse of being independent. Maybe it was in the development phase, but the final product is Season 4 and Season 5. Ganso! exists now, destroying that silly independent narrative (the narrative aspects of Seasons 4 and 5 are not that different from what was dealt with in Seasons 1, 2, and 3).
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>>Ave Mujica
What are all the complaints about with this season? Because, to be perfectly honest, the series worked within the established elements, even with its ridiculously happy ending. I can't consider it garbage writing, especially in a world where Digimon Tri, SAO, Gridman, Eminence in Shadow, Yu-Gi-Oh! Go Rush, Rental Kanojo and Lostorage Wixoss exist.
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>>4524484
Well. Many people who shat on AveMuji are people who got into BD through MyGO and thus are unaware of the sillier aspects of the franchise or expected AveMuji as a follow up to keep tone with MyGo instead of going full into retarded mental nonsense melodrama and sinking a popular ship with incest
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>director writer
Nice nonsense. It was a dude who wrote a few episodes but not the director or main writer. If I'm misinterpreting reactions to AveMuji, so are you with Lyco
>>4524487
And because of Mutsumi's multiple personality shit and how everything was paced and written. Just a shit sequel to MyGO
You need to remember even het needs its incest to be NBR because the industry HATES BR incest. So making Sakiko and Hatsune blood related in an industry that has long since stopped approving any blood related incest, means to many sinking the ship and locking them as family
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Shit pacing. Garbage writing regarding Mitsumi's bullshit being unrelatable and hard to believe (both her behavior and how the others react to her), the reveal of Uika as Sakiko's aunt Hatsune
Cryching reunion being shit and Tomori's performance in said concert being bad
>Digimon Tri, SAO, Gridman, Eminence in Shadow, Yu-Gi-Oh! Go Rush, Rental Kanojo and Lostorage Wixoss
The people shitting on AveMuji don't care about those. And I mean, if you're gonna bring up absolute dogshit, that also applies to Lyco. Say what you will, it's still better written than your average isekai or het romcom. You can't shut down criticisms by going "here's some dogshit that is even worse"
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>even het needs its incest to be NBR because the industry HATES BR incest
I remember the times when people called NBR incest an act of abject cowardice. Truly have times changed. Hope we get a BR incest yuri series at some point (besides the one apparently featured in Ave Mujica)
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>>4524499
Isn't this because of a relatively new tokyo ordinance that limits depictions of incest in things that aren't r18? Psuedo-incest is probably the most we can expect outside of indie/doujinshi releases if so.
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>>Many people who shat on AveMuji are people who got into BD through MyGO
This is the fault of the people, not the series; just because they don't know the "Lore" doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>Shit pacing.
I don't know that part, what is meant by good pacing?
>Garbage writing regarding Mitsumi's bullshit being unrelatable and hard to believe
This is just people's personal opinion; I didn't see anything offensively bad.
>the reveal of Uika as Sakiko's aunt Hatsune
That just adds drama, but it doesn't ruin anything at all.
>Cryching reunion being shit
Stupid opinion, the meeting was good.
>Tomori's performance in said concert being bad
where?
>The people shitting on AveMuji don't care about those.
That's not my problem, it's not going to change something that is a fact, and that is that AveMuji is not a disaster or a train wreck, because in fact the series I mentioned are exactly that and even worse, they insult their audience and spit in their face, not caring a damn, AM can be considered mediocre at best.
>if you're gonna bring up absolute dogshit, that also applies to Lyco.
No, it isn't, especially with Engage Kiss existing.
>>You can't shut down criticisms
That doesn't silence the criticism, but it makes clear how unreliable and exaggerated that criticism really is, especially when it comes from people with little or no real knowledge of absolute pieces of crap.
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I was trying to imagine if I'd be interested in /u/ had I found it in 2011 but then I realized I was barely interested in 2016 when I first came across it. Back then, I felt annoyed because every manga I read was so dramatic and barely committed, like yuri was something to be apologetic about forever. And anime was even worse, every blog I read warned me that the ship was doomed and it always really was. Then it happened, 20-gay-teen. Explicit anime and manga started being more fun and open. Now I struggle to even remember those dark times unless I try hard. Oh life is so good and I'm so spoiled.
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I just remembered and went to watch the third episode, but it's HARD
The directing and screenplay just don't help it at all. The part where we just learn how bad churc went hard down on the herbal medicine (penaltyof death iirc) but 5 seconds later a church nun just casually throws that away and no big deal - okay, that's a flaw of the source material.
But all the clumsy exposition kills me. The part where the hero party fights the demons and asshole sage starts talking.
>btw yuusha has this super power
>btw she can't use it, because pining for Flum
>btw
Maybe I got burned out of watching common anime but It's a chore to listen to this.
I'll stick with reading the manga whenever it updates (though it's coming slowly so I always forgot what happened by the time new scanlation lands or I pirate the next volume).
Fucking kek at the yuusha being called Svíčka tho
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>>4524566
That i a nice thing.
Author shot the story in the leg somewhat though. The loli being open to it would work better if it wasn't put right next to the herbs ban exposition. It's just distractingly sloppy writing.
I guess it ads together with the relationship of FLum and Milkit not being built up and depicted very well (is the source by a male author, any chance?).
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>>4524572
NTA
>The loli being open to it would work better if it wasn't put right next to the herbs ban exposition
Idk why do you think it's so bad. Convenient? maybe but Sara's also a nun that actually enforces the law instead of just blindly obeying the church.
>I guess it ads together with the relationship of FLum and Milkit not being built up and depicted very well
Well even if Flum's character arc it's fueled by her feelings for Milkit their character arcs are so detached that you can argue that they belong to entirely different type of stories. Flum's arc has a very big influence from the plot but Milkit's arc it's mostly introspective. Also their romance becomes better after the story ends in the extras so I think this was more a consequence of the author having little experience writing romance, they wrote other yuri WN before but it was mostly a horror and revenge story.
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>>4524572
The author dedicates several pages of just Flum and Milkit's learning about each other, doing SOL stuff and flirting, the anime just has no time to push all this. I also don't recommend for you to start a male x female fight since most yuri works are written by women and this includes most of the really bad ones.
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I said that before that it has to be praised because it has one of the few not retarded and actually logically consistent cases of kicked out of party trope. Very rare for somebody to actually pull it properly.
Alas, particularly in the anime the rest of the screenplay and direction doesn't hold up so the potential gets wasted.
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>>4524644
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>>4524464
Her VA did get to voice probably the biggest anime gigalesbian before Hiiragi Utena at least
>>4524524
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>>4524693
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>>4524666
Lighthearted yuri may be best yuri.
I don't hate drama, I really liked the latest Kanoko arc for example, but there's something so healing about girls just loving girls whimsically, with the occasional heartfelt moments.
It's like watching puppies play.
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>>4524797
It was successful because it was fun and the girls relationships were developed well. Get any material like that and give it some budget, it'll do well. I'll take any explicit story. There should be at least one a year from now on.
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>>4524764
isn't prison homosexuality kind of special circumstance that often if not most of the time doesn't translated to living outside? And furthermore prison rape and sex may be more of a power structure instrument rather than expression of usual sexuality.
male homosexuality at least, idunno about women
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The problem is that it doesn't work that way; I don't understand how some people can be so naive, and this is supposed to be an adult board.
You have to consider existing works to adapt or if you have a solid idea to create something original. Unlike soulless garbage like Isekai harem, shonen publications, mecha series, or (het) romcoms, yuri isn't something that's produced automatically (similar to Megukas or good SOL series). It's not something you can simply create a bunch of copies of to satisfy a need. Since these works aren't exact copies of each other, you can't expect all yuri to become super popular or trendy because these series are barely even similar to each other.
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>>4524836
The irony is that doing that would actually make those kinds of series better (as happened with the adaptations of Azur Lane, Koihime Musuo, and even Girl Friend Beta), but these would be bombarded with criticism and complaints of being "generic" from the same people who praise the crap I already mentioned. For someone who likes Index to say that a SOL series is empty is a great act of hypocrisy.
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After the fans' complaints, what the people in charge probably understood wasn't "we want a better adaptation" but, "people don't want this." Personally, I can accept a mediocre or poorly adapted first season, as long as the rest to be adapted is better (which happens with many SOL series whose first season isn't that good, but improves a lot after that).
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Ep4 wasn't that bad at the start, but then they totally flunked the scene where the monster catches up with the girls in the corpse pit
Not properly dramatic and to top it, the damn narrator voiceover.
I was somewhat optimistic when the Flum VA delivered some narration at the start of the episode, because fuck it, why didn't they have the protagonist narrate? That would at least be a bit better.
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>>4524853
Post it in the live action thread before it dies.
>>4524854
One of the bigger problems of cheap adaptations happens when the director and the writers don't have the time and/or resources to really adapt a scene so they just try to stick to the source material in a way that you need narrators, internal monolgues and lots of descriptions.
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>>4524856
That's because they shortened the scene so Sara wasn't capable to be put in real danger. In the LN Sara's fight had real stakes so you could fell relieved when Flum saved her and later when Neigass came to save both of them.
>>4524857
It was but they choose more cheap gore to compensate for the lack of time.
Also I can't believe they did a Shokei Shoujo and adapted scenes from future volumes in the opening.
PDThey're not hiding that the captcha is being used to train drones anymore.
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>>4524857That was even worse because they skipped the whole intro. Imagine if Omae Gotoki anime started with volume 2 or 3. That's Ubell Blatt
The problem is utlra violent edgy shit like this has fallen out of fashion and thus you won't get any big names interested. The adult demon (Neigass) x 10 year old nun (Sara) romance will also put off any big names. Onee Loli stuff like that played seriously that commits to the relationship (to the point of them having sex in bonus WN chapters) will also put off big names. So Omae Gotoki was in fact a very bad choice for adaptation since the content meant only shit tier staff would do it. What we have is possibly the best the industry can offer for this kind of story
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>spoilerI actually read the manga like that and it worked for me.
Due to misunderstanding, I thought the "before anime start" chapters (that were really chapters put out before a magazine it was published in changed) actually came out later as a prequel.
It made sense for me, that he appears as a protagonist that the world already knows things about and we are slowly learning them. I was wrong with that impression of course, since it would need a bit more work to make it work like that.
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Another disappointment like pic rel, I meant to add. But at least it didn't get axed and the novel is supposedly handled better.
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NTA
>spoilerIt's possible to make that in Omae Gotoki, volume 1 it's slow and tame compared to volume 2 and 3. A little narration telling the audience what happenes bewteen Flum's slavement and the begin of volume 2 could be a good way to skip episodes 2 to 6? and to let the audience enjoy the real action, including the yuri action
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I caught up with the MagiRevo manga, and I was blown away by how so much better it was than the anime. It's a shame that it won't continue past the same point in the story.
Anime adaptations in general feel like garbage nowadays. If it's not the big trending shounenshit of the current year, it's guaranteed to be low-budget crap made with no effort or passion. Me may love these stories and their characters, but to anime studios they're just another product in the assembly line.
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>>4524865
MagiRevo anime is actually good, though. Had actual effort and passion put into it. You could have used anything else to make your point
Unless you think the only form of effort and passion are the shonenshit clips you see in Sakugabooru
But compare to something like Omae Gotoki and you can tell the difference
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>>4524865
>how so much better it was than the anime
That's only because the manga doesn't have to save screentime so you have time to feel Anisphia's angst between manga chapters, the art also helps a lot but the anime was fine for all the time limitations it had.
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>MagiRevo anime is actually good, though
I guess it is. It came out alright compared to others, but it still feels rushed. It lost so much of its depth that it ended feeling more generic than it should.
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I mostly meant stuff like this one. Omae Gotoki is just another item in the long list of seasonal fantasy shows. The narration doesn't even tell us anything we don't already know, it's just describing what's happening onscreen like a show for toddlers.
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>>4524880inb4 it's AI slop writing
an equivalent of the lulzy "And this is how blah-blahity topic goes / You now know how mlueh mluehs" that LLMs put at the end of their output when you prompt for "analysis" to convince you it's not just monkeys randomly bashing keys on billions of typewriters.
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>>4524878
>it still feels rushed. It lost so much of its depth that it ended feeling more generic than it should.
This is a problem lots of adaptations suffer, even the super big budget shit like Fate
It's not easy to end on a decent place like the anime did and keep absolutely all the depth of the source when you have strict time limits on episode length and amount of episodes
The anime's endpoint was perfect and I'll gladly accept the lost depth.
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I haven't used any of those AI shits so I have no idea what you're referencing
Looking at the director and anime writer, while the anime writer has more experience in low budget shit like this, the director seems to be a complete first timer with no other credits in ANIdb, not even minor roles. They apparently got a complete newfag and put him as main director
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Damn the author for abandoning this...
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>>4525050
They'll get at least some of it. They had a nirvana cd collab release before the anime was even announced. I doubt they have hte cash to swing licensing every song imaginable but you never know. This series does numbers.
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>>4525055
And while writing this comment I just remembered Epitaph too
Dammit all...what an era of wasted potential the late 2000's ~ early 2010's was.
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>>4525056
They released an official soundtrack CD with all these songs: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_guy_she_was_interested_in_wasnt _a_guy_at_all_ch113_5#17
I'm sure licensing these for the anime costs way more than for a CD but there is at least a precedent.
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>release the spyce, noir, burst angel, canaan, el cazador, madlax, metallic rouge, princess principal, ninkoro, etc.
Theres so many other yuri spy/mercenary duo shows, why did mainstream audiences just latch on to LR for?
Still see the occasional retard reply to any yuri-esque action show and complain about how its trying too hard to be LR because it has gay girls, as if it invented the yuri spy genre
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>release the spyce
It just didn't have engaging story or characters. Also seem to recall production wasn't that good
> noir, burst angel, canaan, el cazador
Literally too old for the LR audience. Lots of modern anime watchers got into it recently and hate anything made before they got into anime.
>metallic rouge,
Lead duo had a worse developed bond than ChisaTaki and the plot was trying to do too much in too litlle episodes. It was a mess.
> princess principal,
It had it's day on the sun, but consider lots of modern watchers struggle to follow goddamn Jujutsu Kaisen. PriPri TV telling the story in anachronic order instead of the typical chronological order just makes it harder to follow. Then it lost any chance to stablish it's name by making the follow up movies that are still released. The wait beetween movies kills all interest and momentum
>Ninkoro
While it has a few moments of action, action it's not in it's nature and it will often end fights quickly as it's focus is exploring the characters and their relationships and also comedy.
The simple answer is Lycoris is simple enough to follow, with a decent focus on well animated action and the most recent example of it's genre that is an actual action show and not a comedy with few action tidbits. Recency bias makes for a lot
If we get another action focused show like this with production on Lyco's level, maybe these mainstream audiences will stop latching onto LR, but we didn't.
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>>4525072
Has any anime ever licensed western music for a series before? This is going to be a first to the sheer amount it uses if it pulls it off too. I could see the music labels licensing everything that gets asked for just because this could be seen as a way to break into a previously untapped market.
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Usually they are used for OPs or EDs, which then maybe gets also used as an insert a bit. Tons of famous ones do that.
For a whole soundtrack...well, the challenge is probably gonna be if it's famous songs then it costs out the ass, if it's just getting a specific genre or feel then they probably get Japanese musicians to do it even if the genre is western or w/e.
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>>4525163
So why is it that the real multimedia project made for waifus by the same studio, which not only had het but also the typical popular elements with waifus, wasn't the expected success, while LR, which is literally a series starring girls that, when it comes down to it, has quite modest designs compared to the other project, was successful despite being less appealing to real waifufags?
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It's funny that they keep forcing this false and dishonest narrative and completely ignore that it was ChisaTaki who sold this series and was one of the reasons for its popularity, in addition to the complete ignorance that Waifufags and Hetfags are different things.
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>the real multimedia project made for waifus by the same studio [...] wasn't the expected success
Because of disastrous marketing research. They went all in on a genre with an already oversaturated market.
>they keep forcing this false and dishonest narrative
"They", in this case, being the writer and director of the series. And Chisato's VA if I recall. Remains to be seen if they heard what the audience wants
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>the staff's favorite scenes were Mako and Kurea calling each other by their first name in episode 7, and the very last scene in episode 12
This per the official fanbook.
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>> They went all in on a genre with an already oversaturated market.
Even though it's oversaturated, this series deliberately appeals to the baser instincts of Waifufags (I mean, it has a nun and a younger sister for fanservice).
>>"They", in this case, being the writer and director of the series.
Stop spreading misinformation. I'm one of those people who mostly ignores statements or interviews and enjoys the real series. That real series has just as much het as Frame Arm Girls.
>>And Chisato's VA if I recall.
If you consider her roles, she's not the smartest girl in the world. In addition, many voice actors don't have a clue about their series or characters. For example, Kirino's voice actor from Oreimo didn't have a clue about her character.
So drop your false narrative. LR is not a Het series, and the Yaoi that was also used to attack LR ended with one of the men killing the other.
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>>4525229
It IS bad, but it's not that far. It's a typical low quality production. I've seen worse. Like the incomplete version of Magia Record's TV airing. SHAFT TV releases can be truly disastrous
Or any action sequence in any recent show directed by Shin Itagaki
Or this clip
https://youtu.be/UhmBnaEcbfA
Omae Gotoki anime is far from good, but it doesn't reach "gouge out my own eyeballs" level just yet. Shit can get so much more broken. It's just the broken shows tend to be het, so people here can avoid them. I'd still say this is better than most of Hikikomari. It's consistent in it's low quality. Meanwhile, Hikikomari had some good moments, but also truly awful shit. It was inconsistent as hell and kept breaking further as it reached the end
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>seeing bits of some Oscar Wild biopic
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>two hyperlinks down, I end up with 5-6 belle epoque/early 20th century lesbian artists/writers
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I can think of many since OP/ED are my specialty and passion (yes, I love them). There are several more that, in terms of animation, are pure garbage, like Fractale, Hourou Musuko, that stupid School Days spin-off and the School Days OP itself, the first 3 of Marimite, Zombie Loan, and I could go on all day. Especially if I look at my entire anime list, this season has the Death Games anime, and honestly, several in this season are mediocre and forgettable as well. The Omae OP is just boring.
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>>4525245
I think they mostly wore whatever was in fashion then.
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>>4525257
I understand the idea, but more than anything it's annoying and unpleasant to watch, it feels like it's really edgy without any irony. Shokei Shoujo had a decent balance, nothing spectacular but it conveyed what the anime was about well.
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The problem is that it's not just anime; you have games and/or gacha games, even manga and light novels. If none of these reach the popularity, budget, or profits of well-known (non-yuri) franchises, it's a piece of crap and a complete failure. When something yuri gains recognition, it's for some other, non-yuri reason.
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>>4525211Shitsage still sticking to his "exposition snuck into every line" style, kek.
But yeah, so far it looks interesting (different from the manga, huh). The way Milkit opens the door and then we learn it was not to them eas a good touch, but needed a bit better handling (score helping to set the mood? Better cut? Dunno.)
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>>4525278
the rich guy and the convenient "oh here's a mansion" (that looked extremely lot like a modern McMansion) was one of the worse parts of the manga, straight out of the isekai wishfullfilment shopping list
Would be more stylish if the girls had to wander around like adventuring hoboes a bit more. Perpetual poverty trope was an anime staple 20 years ago. I guess that is not in fashion today though.
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>>4525279
Flum has the skills to earn a middle class income thanks to her stats so it was a better way than just show us some useless "monster of the week" BS and that other anon is right, Flum got the equivalent of a nice house on a bad neighbourhood.
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>>4525280
To be fair, I could see people who really liked this series overall. Maybe the anime was more of a way to get to know the original, but it wasn't really offensively bad, just the result of production greed that chewed up more than it could swallow.
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>In 1899, after seeing the courtesan Liane de Pougy at a dance hall in Paris, Barney presented herself at de Pougy's residence in a page costume and announced she was a "page of love" sent by Sappho
>Vivien saw Barney as a muse and as Barney put it, "she had found new inspiration through me, almost without knowing me". Barney felt Vivien had cast her as a femme fatale and that she wanted "to lose herself ... entirely in suffering" for the sake of her art.[41] Vivien also believed in monogamy, which Barney was unwilling to agree to. While Barney was visiting her family in Washington, D.C. in 1901, Vivien stopped answering her letters. Barney tried to get her back for years, at one point persuading a friend, operatic mezzo-soprano Emma Calvé, to sing under Vivien's window so she could throw a poem (wrapped around a bouquet of flowers) up to Vivien on her balcony. Both flowers and poem were intercepted and returned by a governess.
Hah, Natalie Clifford Barney sure was a character.
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Help me to make a list of yuri character called Yuri like pic related
-Yuri from Gamma
-Yuri, the chairman of Akuma no Riddle
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its really similar ROAD.
>hero gets power everyone thinks is useless, and gets sent to death for it (only one chosen hero can exist at a time)
>turns out its not useless
>edgelord gorefest fantasy series
>save prisoner girl, makes her their gf
>the kingdom is corrupt
its been a few years, so i dont remember the specifics
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>>4525723
from alien 9? yes, explicitly so.
from alien 9 emulators? up to interpretation i guess, author backpedaled on whether Kumis love was reciprocated for some reason.
from alien 9 next? idk. the dude from emulators got memoryholed in NEXT and the specials, and Next is dead
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https://files.catbox.moe/ct6gdq.mp4
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>>4525800
Blessed.
I have to understand why putting english subs in the video and then making it unavailable for everyone outside Japan and why the hell does youtube have an option for that to begin with when internet is born exactly to destroy geographical borders.
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>>4525800
Why was this worth the trouble and are these supposed to be significant for some reason? Those were as close to the straightest kisses you can get between women. It is like they're afraid they are going to feel their lips touch.
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>エモジャン星時代のおもちちゃんの姿
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>>4525814
Some people say this is "realistic", others will pretend that the mere existence of a man is a Het series, then you have when the opposite happens, there are only women and you have idiots saying that's a "waifufag fantasy"
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>>4525831
Some people really have a hard time understanding everyone is a girl from kirara manga is meant to be a joke and most accusations of "everyone is a girl" doesn't really apply to even most kirara stories and most yuri manga where this is true have a very limited total cast of characters where background characters barely show up and it makes perfect sense guys wouldn't randomly show up. I have seen a japanese mentally ill failed yuri author literally crying yuri she writes men into her manga because she doesn't bisexual women like her to be erased. So yeah you have people who will always take what is meant to be a fictional word with the objective of pushing a story narrative as a reflection or projection of their own issues, be it wanting more men or wanting less (or no) men.
In that regards it would be funny if mangaplus witch manga turned to be yuri all along because the author literally keeps adding handsome men and making the whole arc be about them and not the girls and I can't even say it's het like anon above because I am pretty sure the last arc has some BL undertones.
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>>4525814
>wish everything's lesbian
Yes, that is obviously ideal, but like >>4525831
says, a lot of people had it ingrained in their brains that "realistic" equals "good", even though it's merely one of infinite ways to write fiction, and not a particularly creative one at that.
There was a recent yuri VN release where the author literally said something like:
>I was bothered by boys often not being included in yuri, which is why I decided to make yuri myself in order to put them in it
Needless to say, a boy was part of a love triangle with the two main girls.
It's the same narrow-mindedness that for example leads people to think that happy endings are shallow while bittersweet endings are deep, or pure girls are wishful thinking and only sluts are believable, etc...
And let's not even get started on the fixation on politics and minorities that makes stories about being lesbian, rather than about lesbians.
Thankfully in niche japanese works these trends aren't nearly as prevalent these days, but the more mainstream and western you go, the more they rear their ugly heads.
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>there are only women and you have idiots saying that's a "waifufag fantasy"
One thing I've learned over the years is that /u/ will complain about literally anything, there has never been a yuri work that at least one person on here hasn't trashed as 'actually het', 'bad quality', or both
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i reread yuri very often, usually when procrastinating on finishing my anime backlog. Something about manga makes it a lot easier to just jump in and read a chapter or two.
probably reread girlfriends, still sick, ebisu-san, salomelic, Watashi no Taisetsu na Tomodachi, hana to hoshi, yuripop, and a few others at least like 10 times each. Dont reread longer series much however
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If you exclude one shots then almost never, precisely because of
>When I think about how small of a dent I made in the amount of yuri I've read versus what I've re-read
It feels like I'm missing out by spending my limited time and attention span on works I've already read instead of exploring something new.
I generally dislike binging so reading a whole manga is a lengthy process for me, but I get that if you cram it all together you could probably finish a shorter manga in a single afternoon.
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>>4525901
fairly often. i keep everything i've enjoyed on disk/komga so got easy access. the collection has grown quite a bit over the years and if internet dies i'll be good for a long time. i enjoy re-experiencing things in general, since i know whatever it is will be good, and my memory is far from perfect
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This isn't a "waifu of the month" thing; this can be perfectly sustained and consistent, like 10 or 20 years of semi-constant art. Something like Wixoss maintained a decent weekly art pace after the end of Season 2, until Lostorage killed interest, and Diva did nothing to revive it (despite being a superior series to Lostorage).
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>>4526130
Reviving a dead franchise, either one that died naturally or was killed, is near impossible.
>Diva did nothing to revive it (despite being a superior series to Lostorage).
Not like it was a high bar to clear.
As for Kaguya, the best thing they can do is expand the story in the manga. Not advancing the story, but deepening the relationship between Iroha and Kaguya and more scenes about their daily lives.
Do NOT make a sequel. That only increases the chances of them screwing it up.
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>>4526131
The problem is that with Lostorage, Wixoss was still relevant at that time, so at that point it wasn't about reviving something dead, but continuing with something that had a certain popularity. But it did such a bad job, adding men to the mix (unnecessarily) and then not only that, but in Season 2 adding old characters just to completely destroy what was established in the second season of the first series. It felt just like Digimon Tri pretending that 02 didn't exist. The difference is that Wixoss Season 2 was literally the best and most yuri season.
>>Kaguya
Maintaining official materials that only add things that matter is the best way to continue a series like this. GUP has stayed alive with the worst possible format for movies and with manga series that most people forget even exist, and even publishing character charts has more impact. I don't see how Kaguya can die if it does things better.
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>>4526139
"hetfag" is the worst possible insult to use against a Lostoragefag if you're defending Selector
Do I need to remind you of one of the girls wanting to fuck her male twin?. Wixoss always had het even before males were made into players.
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>>4526141
NTA but nobody gave a fuck about the waifubait character. Iona and Akira were the second and third more important character for Selector. Lostorage tried so hard to be more edgy than Selector that it ended as cringe instead of fun, the het around the main couple and the dumb GB possession (female to male) were a consequence of that shitty decision
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>>4526141
Yes, but that wasn't so important and only dragged in two characters at the worst point; the rest was girl stuff and between girls. Lostorage, on the other hand, not only adds men for bad reasons (don't defend the "male villain"—he would have been better as a woman, which is what the Lrig who used that body was), but also ruined the joke of "doing it," applied it to a straight option, and rubbed it in until it stopped being funny. Besides that, there were more straight things, including a reminder that nobody wanted to remember: the straight incest bit. Because, not content with screwing up, they had to screw up even more.
Furthermore, the worst part was that the series completely ignored Yuki (although the movie had already raised red flags), giving her a shameful cameo, pretending that Tama was important or even a good character (which she wasn't). Then, in the end, all those imaginary Lrigs got human bodies, all except Yuki. When I talked about constant weekly art, I meant Ruu x Yuki, which almost completely stopped, with some random person uploading something every two or three years. But the art now consists of official card art, hentai, or AI.
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The fact that DIVA doesn't even address Het in any way, and the only romance that exists is yuri, should make it clear that they didn't want to repeat the same mistake. The problem was perhaps the radical change in tone to more of an action and comedy series, but it was still weak in the yuri aspect. If there had been a little more effort with the main trio, things could have been better.
Regarding Kaguya, we are ignoring the best way to maintain this series without putting in much real effort: turning the movie into an anime of about 12 episodes, adding more scenes and even songs.
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It is a beautiful story that I can't imagine not wanting to carry through my life for as long as humanly possible. I wouldn't be able to stand knowing I could have experienced it but chose not to. Watching it motivated me to start re-learning piano after letting my interest fade, it forced me to flex my artist muscles more because the imagery of the movie was so striking that I wanted to be able to bring that to life in other ways. I think about what I want to do with my time more earnestly because the passion of those who made this movie made me realize how possible realizing a dream can be. Sure, any other good story may bring you joy and drive you to do something by lighting a fire under you. But if you are here you already love yuri, and this movie's love for yuri amplifies the effect 1000 fold. I've never rewatched something this many times in a short period in my entire life, and I have so many things I considered my all-time favorites which stood with me for over a decade that are starting to pale in comparison. I don't feel empty or depressed after watching it. I feel a lasting excitement for the first time in ages.
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My case was sadder and more depressing. I carved out a space in my evening schedule (watching it during the day would have been impossible). I enjoyed the movie and everything, but the problem was that, as if by the devil's design, on a cursed Sunday, they brought a pretty big job to do (marking 740 backpacks and 500 duffel bags), and then the next day they brought 500 double-sided ponchos, one side of which was two-toned... So what could have been an experience that could have given me at least a week of warm memories, vanished completely. In the end, all I was left with was a throat infection that lasted a week.
I'm going to try watching the movie again during Easter week, to see if this time I have a better personal experience and not just anger (that's why I get extra angry when someone says the movie isn't yuri or good).
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Pretty often tbf, whenever I feel like I'm going to burn out or am getting a little bored or disinterested with the stuff I'm reading, I reread a series I like. Have reread Ayakashiko 3-4 times last year and this year combined, Landlord one twice last year. I also end up rereading stuff when I'm bored at work
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Doesn't change hetfag also applies to Selectorfags
Just admit you were wrong and use any other insult instead of writing long nonsense copes. Selectortards are as hetfag as Lostoragetard. If you want to play the game, follow your own rules
You don't get to conveniently declare het irrelevant in shows you like and only relevant in shows you dislike
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>Chisato just talking to Majima in Lycoris while never showing romantic interest and showing she's tired of his shit by the finale:
>Heeeeeeeeet
>Yuzuki wanting to fuck her male twin for the whole show:
>Show is still yuri and not het because I conveniently declare this main girl irrelevant
Kill yourselves, retards. Selector Wixoss is far more het than Lycoris. Stop overrating it because you like it for other reasons that aren't yuri and hate Lostorage. Diva is the only acceptable Wixoss by the standards given here
>but Ruko and Yuki
Subext shit that doesn't make up for the het. I'll take subtext with no het subplots over subtext with het subplots.
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>>4526170
No, because Selector only has incest as one of the characters' themes and it's not that relevant at the end of the day, just a silly girl with silly tastes caught in a stupid love triangle, because it turned out that Lrig was in love with both siblings.
The yuri options are still present and very important, as they apply to the vast majority of the characters, especially the aforementioned Ruu and Yuki who are the cheesiest crap that could exist, they use any silly romantic cliché.
You can't lump Lostorage in with Selector, especially with the aforementioned numerous male characters that nobody asked for and don't work. The main yuri pairing, which is supposed to be the most important part of this, is sidelined by a delayed grudge and a het option that gets progressively more stupid as time goes on. Even when the guy loses his body, nothing really improves (even with a girl inside). Then you have the destruction of the conclusions that had been resolved; now everything is destroyed because Akira is just a bad joke, and what happened at the end of Selector apparently doesn't matter to anyone. All the build-up with Yuki at the end of that series is also worthless because Season 2 apparently doesn't exist.
Not to mention how the series ends by reminding us that the stupid kid playing soccer is super important and we have to endure the incest that nobody wanted, because it comes out of their asses, if this season really tried to push Het while making the minimum effort with the yuri that barely mattered to the staff.
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>>4526178
>>Selector Wixoss is far more het than Lycoris.
Nobody mentioned Lycoris at any point, stop bringing things up just to get the attention of stupid people, especially those idiots who still believe in a non-existent Het, because I can mention Healin' Good PreCure and it's the same mental retardation on the part of the Hetfags.
>>Subext shit that doesn't make up for the het. I'll take subtext with no het subplots over subtext with het subplots.
Ruu and Yuki are literally the central point of S2; if Tama is considered an inferior option, it's S2's fault for delivering a genuinely good couple where, as stupid as it sounds, love wins in the end (no, I'm not kidding).
The problem I see being ignored is that the incest plot isn't just not alluded to, it's that it's never really concluded, because the siblings never become a couple and Bislut just disappears from their lives.
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>>4526188
Don't use slang you don't know the meaning of, because by that same logic why not call the fans of the only good thing Mai-hime has (the yuri couple) "hetfags" because there we are talking about 4 to 5 Het couples versus 1 yuri couple and only with the possibility of a second one.
Also, stop ignoring the fact that Lostorage killed the interest in the series for many people, especially those who bothered to make art of something they liked. But Lostorage is so bad (not just the het, but that does play a part) that it really leaves a very bad taste in your mouth, and the fact that DIVA is almost the complete opposite of Lostorage should make it clear that this isn't just one person's exaggeration.
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>>4526189
They never become a couple but they don't show her dropping him like Sayaka in Madoka dropped the violintard
Thus, I can assume she's still het and into her brother. They just chickened out of a conclusion for the same reason Eromanga and every other incest thing goes for NBR: Execs will never let BR incest be confirmed. You can write the plotline as long as it's not endgame and you don't confirm it
Simply: what Selector did is as far as they were allowed to go with BR incest. Selector is het. Your shitty subtext ship is irrelevant. Follow your own rules. Selector is as het as Lostorage and you can't change that fact. Hetfag
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>>4526192
Yes. Mai-HiME fans are hetfags. Mai-HiME is het. Shiznat doesn't change shit. Horizon also has a yuri couple. Should we call it a yuri show despite het being the focus and most characters being het?
You can like a yuri pairing in a het show but the show is still het and defending the show as a whole still makes you a hetfag
>nonsense about Lostorage killing interest
Irrelevant to the fact Selector is overrated and as het as Lostorage. You want to act like you're this expert but you're just a biased retard who got exposed for double standards
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Nope. Still shitty subtext vs maintext het incest that didn't go further becaiuse of the same regulations that forced an author of BR incest (OreImo) to go NBR (Eromanga) and has all incest endgame in non-hentai anime and manga be NBR
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>>4526198
Okay, you guys are just babbling now, no debate will make any sense, nor will there be any argument, since it will just be the typical crap of "who is right" when the answer was already given years ago.
Think what you want, reality isn't going to change the fact that Selector is a good anime and Lostorage is a piece of shit.
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>>4526204
They're both too het and thus "hetfag" is the last insult a Selectorfag should use against a Lostoragefag
Just call the lostoragefag a retard with shit taste or whatever instead of dragging het into it and exposing double standards
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>>4526206
>het incest is OK if "good writing"
Not in this board, hetfag. Your "good show" is as het (and thus bad and unwelcome here) as the "piece of shit".. Cope, seethe and kill yourself. Or next time, compare both without dragging het into it.
There was no reason to bring up a shitty dead franchise (Wixoss) to motivate people to watch Kaguya, anyways.
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>>4526207
And? Her motivation is never explicitly fo fuck him
Wixoss spends a lot of time making clear Yuzuki wants to fuck her brother
If you want to claim Lyco is het, you have to do so with Selector as well. You want to have standards? Show me they're consistent and commit to them. Otherwise you're just a retard and your argument is nonsense
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>>4526212
Yes. You don't want it to be maintext anyways
Look the only explcit lesbians are the crazy evil girls, meanwhile our heroes are superfriends and het incest. Het shows having psycho lesbian villains is not new and is an insult to yuri (look at how evil yuri is compared to heroic het). You're just making Selector look worse if you want to push the evil crazy bitches as your yuri representation
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>>4526217
>crazy evil girls
Everyone, with the exception of the MC and the human loli, was a crazy evil girl in Selector that's why it was so fun and that's why nobody cares about the incest freak or about the human loli.
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>>4526219
You can never be too careful with stupid people. It's funny that people think the parallel universe thing with Bang Dream and Argonavis was "waifufag" when that wasn't the case, and for those people to say that Bang Dream is an idol makes it even worse and funnier.
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>>4526222
You're right, but reaching that conclusion would require watching the entire series, since it's hilarious that I only read backward arguments, but also such great ignorance as someone complaining about the post-season 1 seasons in a long-running franchise like Digimon or Power Rangers (without having seen those seasons).
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>>4526232
Exactly, that was also annoying. It was clear that Akira had moved on from that; she was even seen working alongside Iona as a model. People tend to forget that Iona was supposed to be an important model. Her being with Akira was the perfect conclusion for both characters.
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>>4526233
Seriously speaking, Selector only has one unfinished incest plot that also involves a girl in love with the two of them.
Lostorage, on the other hand, features a boy who plays soccer and is in love with one of the main characters, and the series never fails to rub that in your face every chance it gets. In the end, they forget the boy even exists and is "important," on top of having to endure character assassination in its purest form and, of course, women in men's bodies pretending to be men. The brother makes a cameo at the end, because it couldn't get any worse otherwise.
If you haven't seen all 4 (5?) seasons, you'll never understand anything.
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>>4526237
>have to watch each and every episode of shit to know it's shit
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>>4526241
NTA but you can do a yuri-friendly version for Selector like the one that was made for Mai Hime/Otome but it would be harder to do it for Lostorage because the hetshit there it's too important for the main plot.
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Because it was the only value Akira had. She wasn't a good character at all. So I can understand not giving a fuck about her moving on from her insanity when her insane phase is far more entertaining
>>4526237
So, Lostorage is better because the het is eventually irrelevant. Meanwhile the het is relevant in Selector all the way to the end and is only unfinished because the industry decided BR incest is only allowed in hentai. But otherwise they don't show Yuzuki moving on like Sayaka did in Madoka
Girl who isn't in love with boy (Lostorage)>Girl who is explicitly in love with boy (Selector). I'm only using your own arguments here because you don't realize you painted Lostorage in a better light than Selector. Both are hetshit, though
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>>4526247
Some people decided they would be yuri revisionists and so you end with weird claims like this, they will even dismiss the canon heterosexual relationships in the series and claim there is yuri subtext because the characters are portrayed in different ways in other media.
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>>4526242
Delusional. Truth is you're ret/a/rds who want to spread taste agenda from /a/ (Selector>Lostorage) but don't know how to argue it, forgot about the het in Selector and now are desperately trying to push the false idea Selector had no het and Lostorage did, when the truth is both had het. Hetfag applies to fan of both. Using the word "hetfag" for the lostoragefag was your undoing that exposed your hypocrisy and double standards
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>>4526248
Android and maybe Shiboyugi but Idk because it was too edgy and cringe to me.
>the only value Akira had
Akira had the potential to replace the incest whore as a potential ally to the new MCs but they needed to make Lostorage more edgy than selector so they ruined Akira as a character instead.
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>>4526252
Yes, yes, yes, whatever you say, now go to sleep, the adults are talkingIt's funny how back when all the Wixoss anime was airing, there were never such outdated discussions, and yes, Lostorage was almost universally hated at the time, except by Mugino (of course). Is this another wave of post-2018 newfags?
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>>4526254
That would make her boring. No one would give a fuck about bland sane Akira. Akira became popular for how entertaining her insanity is. Lostorage writers simply recognized this. Of all the mistakes Lostorage did, this wasn't one of them. That was a Selector mistake. Akira spent so much time being an entertaining crazy bitch character that her being sane only works as epilogue shit. But as an active character: people are only attached to her insanity
>Selectortard saying Shiboyugi is edgy and cringe
Selector is far more edgy and cringe than Shiboyugi.Selector is very overrated.
That said: Shiboyugi doesn't have much yuri. No het as there are no males on screen, but not yuri either
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>>4526259
Well, the movie made this clear to me, especially her pretending that that stupid glorified pet Tama was important (I curse the official art book). Yuu and Yuki was so cute, in every way, that you can't blame me for getting overly emotional, but clearly Okada didn't give a damn about those two.
Can we hate Okada but not Wixoss? (M3 sucks, by the way)
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>>4526259
She gave us the BRS anime so I doubt that, she can say whatever she wants but actions talk louder than words.
>>4526260
>No ond would give a fuck about bland sane Akira
I didn't say that I wanted a "bland and sane Akira" she had the potential to be a anti-heroine but well it didn't happen and I don't want to write a fucking Lostorage fanfic just for that.
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BREAKING: local sea monster community worries about lack of suicidal girls
Sea monsters, a staple in most touristic locations near the sea, have recently raised the alarm about their main source of nutrition, suicidal girls, being in extremely low supply. As of the writing of this article, the government and sea monster dignitaries are searching for solutions, which include putting all the seasonal anime yuri hits in Winter, leaving the rest of 2026 empty of noteworthy series to watch.
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Anyone remember a yuri manga from about 5 years ago where the MC had a girlfriend and it involved mind reading? Not the subtext series with a similar premise. Can't seem to find it and dynasty tags didn't have it listed so it probably isn't even on that site. Not sure how else to search for it.
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Just how fucking desperate is 4chan for people to buy their shitty pass? These captchas are actual cancer and they want me to solve 3 for every single post I make. The stupid "which one is not like the others?" one regularly gives me shapes with literally no differences now so I have to retry 5 times and just get lucky.
Do they want people to post less or some shit?
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>>4526360
They actually are desperate because bots got much worse and a lot of them are being used to spam nonstop and are fucking the servers and creating other issues since some of them are spamming content that legally they have to report to law enforcement.
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>>4526362
Captchas like this are literally used to TRAIN bots though. This is just self-defeating. Meanwhile actual humans have less and less ways to actually solve this shit because we can't anaylze every pixel or want to to make a single random post about some yuri manga we like. This will absolutely kill human traffic.
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>>4526360
It depends from where you're posting. Mobile seems to require only 1 easy captcha. Desktop gets less cancerous if you use the 4chanX script that makes all options appear side by side without scrolling.
But in both cases you have to post for a while (over a week without deleting cookies) in order to make their number go down.
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>>4526366
I don't disagree, but at this point the site will either go down because the servers can't handle the bots or because bots are spamming content that could get the site down and of course you also have users like "you know who" that manages to easily bypass bans and will spam threads with schizophrenia.
>>4526349
I presume you don't mean mute girl or Hoshitele, maybe Kanojyo to Himitsu to Koimoyou?
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https://dynasty-scans.com/anthologies/as_yet_i_have_no_name
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/pure_water_adolescence
https://dynasty-scans.com/anthologies/pure_water_luminescence
https://dynasty-scans.com/series/paradise_and_after
I read these years ago and never knew all of these tied in together. I want to read sayonara folklore next but I ran out of time. I'd pull an all nighter reading yuri but my body can't keep up. Yuri is just too powerful.
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Nice choices. I got a hit of nostalgia just looking the titles. Been far too long since I read those so I'll need to reread them all soon.
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I was just thinking I should start sougou tovarisch too. I wish the author got the chance to restart it again as planned but I'm happy what we got is so good. Tsurezure biyori was like a godly author descended to bestow just one singular precious gem to humanity.
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>>4526903
Meh it doesn't matter either way.
Instead it's curious that Miyazawa still feels Liz to aoi is yuri when the fucking author went out of her way to say she never meant it to be. I swear to Madoka I really hate that woman! I used to love the movie and she ruined it. What a turd of a person.
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>>4526930
After all, he's a writer with a university education, not some anonymous moron from the internet, so he understands how little significance the author's opinion about their own work has when expressed outside of the work itself.
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No idea what this says but i see urasekai picnic mentioned
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>>4526940
If I'm butthurt about anything, it's not about the opinions of Takeda, Yamada, whoever, which are no more valuable than mine or yours (since they are expressed outside of their works, in which they are truly gods and have the word of God), but about those who perceive their opinions as indisputable truth simply because they match their own.
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>If you are aiming for commercial success, target a larger audience. There is no particular need to cater specifically to the relatively small number of yuri fans, anyway, they are chronically starved and will eat anything where girls kiss, then ask for seconds.
Cynical, but honest.
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>[yuri fans] are chronically starved and will eat anything where girls kiss, then ask for seconds.
Blatantly false. Standards must be maintained and gates kept. Yuri fans won't watch a series where girls kiss for the benefit of the male MC, or in a het haremshit series.
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>>4526962
You're speaking from your point of view, the problem is that there are people who accept that fanservice garbage, not so much as a yuri fan, but as a bunch of perverts who pretend that something like Eupho is yuri and it's something that can be seen, Eupho is the American Pie of "yuri".
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>>4526951
>>If you are aiming for commercial success, target a larger audience.
The problem is that this is a basic principle of a successful business. For cases where this doesn't apply, other tactics are needed, but those tactics have to be good and effective, not catering to a niche that doesn't exist or isn't willing to give money for nothing.
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>>4526962
Standards must be maintained, gates must be kept, but the barrier can be lowered a little if the need is great.
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>>4526930
The movie Liz falls into the same category as the Mr. Bean movie; it has no real reason to exist.
Leaving aside whether Liz is considered yuri by someone, there's a point where she talks about the contrast between identifying with the characters and seeing them as if they were in a cage or on display. It makes sense; that's the message of the film anyway: a person's desire for happiness is irrelevant compared to what others think or want from that person.
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>relatively small number of yuri fans
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>>4526962
Newfag trying way too hard to fit in.
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>>4526977
It's not just one scene, it's several scenes and moments of a yuri couple without external interference and the drama they present is related to them as a couple; they are simply another couple in a series already full of several couples (there are more yuri couples).
These two are used as a reference for the term gachi-yuri, by the way.
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>>4526951
That's not what he said, his words were that you can use other things from other genres to make your yuri novel appealing enough to the consumers of those other genres, but this only works for novels because usually people tend to read the entire novel so you can show the yuri later in the novel. Outside of novels we have the disaster that was Sylph with their shonen-like pacing that became boring to yuri fans because yuri manga tend to be a much faster pacing (that's other reason as to why yuri serializations tend to be so short, Kanoko's Namek aside) and I really doubt this could work with anime, maybe with a movie but not with a 20+ episodes show.
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>>4526989
Regarding the length of the yuri series, would Citrus be a good example of what not to do with a series? I mean, making a manga that's essentially an interquel to something that's already finished doesn't make much sense, especially when it doesn't contribute anything new and seems to exist solely to squeeze money out of something that's already ended.
>>but this only works for novels because usually people tend to read the entire novel so you can show the yuri later in the novel.
Does this apply to novels as such, or also to light novels? The real difference may be minimal, but it must be admitted that a novel can cover more content in less time than a manga or anime, although in contrast, anime is the medium that has the easiest distribution and reach.
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>>4526994
>would Citrus be a good example of what not to do with a series?
If you're talking about Citrus plus, yes but from a commercial point of view Citrus plus it's a excelent product because it's the best way to milk a franchise minimizing any BS to happen in the new material that could ruin the original work.
>also to light novels?
Yes, I'm talking about novels as a whole including LNs.
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>>4526996
Although the difference in pacing and formats must be considered, as I said, a novel can cover more ground in less time, and an anime that isn't an adaptation and has fewer than 24 episodes also covers less ground, not to mention a film. Therefore, manga suffers more in this regard, being the format that covers the least ground and takes much longer to complete.
That's why Yuri-danshi fell so stupidly; it didn't take advantage of the format it was in, the story was approached in the stupidest way possible (wasting the fact that the protagonist resembled Light Yagami) existing under the empty promise of, "please wait, this will totally be yuri, just wait for it," the problem is not a series that progresses slowly, but a series that does nothing.
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>>4526998
Even if they have fewer pages a LN can cover a entire story including the romantic subplot in one volume, a 12 episodes anime original can also do it and we know movies that can do the same thing but yeah, the manga format has those limitations so you need at least something more than just minimal subtext to cater to the yuri audience.
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>>4526994
>making a manga that's essentially an interquel to something that's already finished doesn't make much sense
Unless you don't care about the ending of the first series. The entirety of DBS happens after the main events of DBZ, but before the DBZ epilogue.
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It might be a Hottake, but people are pretty stupid about the Dragon Ball epilogue. Super and Daima are essentially a new product. The epilogue exists as closure for the classic manga. Super can be seen as a sequel to Dragon Ball Kai, while something like GT is the sequel to the original anime. Even Daima would be an alternate sequel, but more aligned with the manga (making sense and not conflicting much with the epilogue). This isn't Digimon Adventure and its insistence that the epilogue everyone hates is canon.
This is not off-topic since Kale and Caulifla are yuri (the latter being an addition, an idea of Toriyama) and it was only Toyotaro who desecrated the characters, being the idiot that he always is.
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>>you need at least something more than just minimal subtext to cater to the yuri audience.
That's what works against a 4koma or SOL manga; an adaptation allows you to showcase the product more quickly, but when you experience the original format, like less than 10 or 8 pages per month, things don't hit the same mark. You need something like Mazoku for people to really get engaged.
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>>4527063
They made them strangers to each other (no yuri from the start), forced the fusion for reasons, and made them weaker than Gohan. The worst part is that there are stupid people who defend that and logically, none of that makes sense (especially when a fusion of two guys weaker than them kicked the ass and wiped the floor with the guy who was stronger than that version of Gohan).
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>>4527008
>This is not off-topic since Kale and Caulifla are yuri
>and it was only Toyotaro who desecrated the characters
Makes up headcanon about characters who are not portrayed in a romantic way and then gets upset his headcanon was just a headcanon after all, amazing schizophrenia.
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>>4527092
Which headcanon? Kale literally became her own version of Broly out of jealousy and because of people who get close to Caulifla, with Caulifla being the one who helps Kale control her own power, making a good combination and fusion (that's why Toyotaro's thing is stupid). In addition to details in Sparking! Zero like Kale being happy that Caulifla is happy and Kale getting angry when someone mentions Goku's name or resembles Goku (Yes, the same as Broly but with the human name).
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>平成ギャルのアニメOPつくってみた
>I made an OP animation for a non-existent Heisei-era gal! It contains depictions of romantic relationships between women. Please be advised.
Someone posted this the other day but I can't find the post now. Anyway don't sleep on it, it's a cute indie animation 1:30 long op for a yuri anime I'd gladly watch if it was real.
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>>4527289
Does not appear to be. The author put it up on Jan 15 of this year.
The author is https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139960434 and although they have a first post from back in 2023, they have zero followers.
I was surprised to find someone who still DREW yuri on pixiv. Its largely been abandonded to AI reposters. Though this person does not seem to be consistent about posting on pixiv.
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Oh, not going to be able to post more previews though. Ghost is a JC, MC is a JK. This of the ghost trying to kill her with the stairs is about it.
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>>4527256
What a blast from the past. I remember when /u/ used to bring this up all the time. Now we're swimming in so much yuri that older subtext series are not even floating around the public consciousness at this point.
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I wish there was a feasible way to make yuri my job. I want to spend all day thinking about yuri but my boring non-yuri job gets in the way. Yuri game makers look like the only way to get a reliable real source of income but it is probably only 1 out of 100 that can do it full time. What untapped yuri market exists that I can pour my time into that won't end up in financial ruin?
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Stop deluding yourself, most mangaka, not even yuri mangaka have two jobs, most people doing indie shit also have two jobs, unless you specifically lucky out and an actual developer is working in making a yuri game you won't have the opportunity to work full time on yuri.
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Why are bassists always the most useless lesbians? Is it because the most easily ignorable instrument attracts the most easily ignorable girls? I bet Sayaka would play bass, too.
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>>4527371
Unless I start off with enough money to survive until a break-even point arrives I tend to be as pessimistic as you on this. But if you never dream then you never try something that was previously thought impossible. Yuri is a dream worth chasing.
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I'd just end up just embezzling all the money and using it to open money-pits like free access yuri museums and sending free starter packs of yuri to people to proselytize it to the masses.
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If the existing yuri cafe place in Japan takes off with multiple locations then I could open a competitor to drive innovation. Who knows what kinds of yuri experiences you would get with rival yuri cafes battling for customer attention?
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>>4527546
It's just not yuri, author will put MC and other girls from his previous "yuri" works into sexual situations with guys, he will also draw them getting fucked on skeb, there is a reason you don't see japanese yuri accounts supporting it after all.
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>>skeb
>>author will put MC and other girls from his previous "yuri" works into sexual situations with guys, he will also draw them getting fucked on skeb
Skeb is the tool created by the devil to destroy everything that is good and right.
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The content in the series itself is not much different, if anything skeb is just the author being honest what the series is really about, I understand why people who think yuri is just a fetish and excuse for porn like it.
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The problem you have to consider with Skeb is basically commissions but with more restrictions, but at the end of the day it's people paying the author to do that, so here the author is not innocent, but the people who pay him for that art are the real culprits.
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Not really because a lot of skeb authors, especially the ones with serializations will literally say they won't do content involving their or even other copyright content, Anne Happy author for example has a skeb where she does non erotic content with several restrictions, originally she was doing stuff with other kirara works but kirara contacted her and told her to stop.
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>>4527398
I wouldn't really call Lisa a useless lesbian.
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True, but I would argue that she's the exception. Running down the list of bandori bassists:
Rimi: crushes on the female equivalent of David Bowie
Himari: useless and fat
Chisato: cunt
Lisa: has a bitchy girlfriend
Hagumi: has brain damage
Layer: couldn't make her crush join her band
Nanami: walking meme
Soyo: spineless twat, in a relationship with Anon but is that really a positive?, canonically slept with a retarded girl
Umiri: played in dozens of bands and was the yaya in every one of them, probably has to beg the slutty streamer for sex
Mugendai Mewtype doesn't even have a bassist, which is probably a smart career move.
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Poor Eterna.
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>Flum: "I want to buy clothing for Milkit so that she doesn't feel like she's my servant"
(She buys a maid outfit)
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>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke o Comic Market 82 Omakebon
>Sara says Takako is "mouthwatering" and "gives her the shivers"
>Takako thinks Kaede "looks amazing" and makes her "feel weird"
Which established couples need to have a foursome, /u/?
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How could you not have played it yet? It's one of the finest yuri experiences you could hope for.Yuna-nee and her gf who I won't spoil if you really didn't play it let the kindred spirits possess their bodies so they could finally do the deed resulting in them all effectively getting to experience it. I doubt anything else can ever make a 4some as sweet and pure since it was simultaneously a 4some and also just the 2 separate couples experiencing it with their partners.
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Happy valentines day
https://x.com/lililjiliijili/status/2022713274538823712?s=20
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>new isekai villainess yuri
>by Hakamada Mera
y'all faggots better get on this shit fast
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