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This thread is for:
*Screenshots, pages, and discussion about general series, current or old, not covered by an existing thread, be it yuri, fanservice, subtext or goggles. Canon and non-canon both welcome.
*News reports about things relevant to our interest
*Original content that doesn't fit any specific thread topics
*Eat salmon-scented pussy
*Pretty much anything that doesn't have or need its own thread.
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1. Cosmic Princess Kaguya is really good
2. Latest Rollover episode is....not very good (again)
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>>4529022
Fuck no
Eterna should have beelined to the hero party hq or wheverthefuck the rest of the party was hanging out and told them what happened to Flum right away and had Jean drawn and quartered
Why did we get two episodes of them goofing off in the house.
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Because Flum gives zero shit about revenge and was just happy to hear it wasn't a conspiracy against her, only Jean and Eterna heard Flum's story and decided she would stay with her to protect her as there was obvious some shady stuff happening in regards to the church and Flum.
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>>4529020
Anon, if by "not very good" you mean production, directing, animation, and the like, then this is the least suitable place for meaningful discussions on this topic. As you can see, it's only a half-step from wanting anime (visual art, among other things) to look visually appealing and for the director not just mindlessly transferring dialogue from the source onto the screen to accusations of yuri hating. Just watch the girls flirt and be happy.
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Of course, it's too early to say anything until we see the actual anime, but pay attention to the swaying and losing focus camera starting at the 7th second. I'm not even sure that this requires any extraordinary budget; all it takes is the director's justified desire to emphasize an important scene, convey the state of the characters in it to the viewer, and of course, the talent to accomplish this desire using the visual techniques available to them. Now compare that to "Flum and Milkit flirting" or that kiss from Sasakoi, which looks like two cardboard cutouts moving toward each other at a constant speed.
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If this scene didn't look good you wouldn't give a single shit about how it's "directed", maybe Omae Gotoki should just add random leg movements in bed and armchair animation critics will call it good directing too.
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I just made Omae Gotoki direction a masterpiece with this simple fix, looks at how it's a visual metaphor to whatever you want it to be.
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Why is the PS5 male??
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>>4529042
Once every decade, the Ichijinsha bosses decide to burn all their savings...
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https://x.com/aktnhino920/status/2023009629656236532
https://x.com/aktnhino920/status/2023007702390301039
https://x.com/aktnhino920/status/2023006662848823711
Oshi to no Yuri wa Arienai! says they're doing something new or something and considering a "support site" (fanbox/patreon/etc?)
Also something about needing good vol 1 sales.
Also said they have a new thing they're going to release.
Either way, if you're not poor like me, pls gib dem the moneys.
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>>4529074
Don't worry, the ps5 can't get in between the yuri because it has no games.
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Yuri is reclining
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those massage parlor hentai lied to me...
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The author is american japanese and live in the US, they just asked people from their circles help save the manga, which we don't even know if it really worked since the author seems to have no urgency as they are taking a few breaks. I can't imagine how little they are being paid due to the difference between yen and dollar.
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>>4529148
Can't be doing that badly if she's been able to move to a new house, the reason for the current break. We know of four reprints for vol. 1 and one for vol. 2 on its launch day in Japan, and the series was licensed in the US, China, Korea and France. A Kinokuniya overstocking the LE of volume 1 doesn't seem worth that much scrutiny.
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I don't think we can infer if she moved to a better place or not, reprints don't mean success either, it all depends on what expectations the publisher had with shipping, we have seen YH manga getting a few reprints and still get axed early on anyway, we don't really have any data to actually work with.
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Love this bird
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>>4529324
No, but because of various social reasons in most contexts it would be used to refer to someone that person will be male
You might see it be used to address a female coworker kohai, for example (though it depends on the speaker and addressee and should not be taken as granted, sticking with -san isn't rare either)
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>>4529330
There was a movement in the late 20th century to call girls in public schools 'kun' because 'chan' was considered too diminutive and belittling and they were troubled by using 'san' to address a child, when that was how they addressed the parents.
I first encountered this in university when I watched Nurse Angel Ririka SOS in club, Kanon always switched to calling her Ririka-kun when talking about serious plot matters.
But I am trying to think and I think in most recent anime they just use 'san'. So that whole period in anime might be just a snapshot in time.
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>>4529079
Currently it has some volume extras as well as a VERY IMPORTANT image of sensei and StroZero™
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>>4529437
>MD doing this
>Dynasty arbitrarily takes down series for "aging poorly" or if the scans use offensive language like "traps"; while being weirdly strict about what gets uploaded
dont know why these piracy sites have to be such nannies instead of just hosting cost
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Anyone else watching Ikoku Nikki? While obviously not a yuri show, it seems like the orphan girl's best friend is a lesbian and might harbor some feelings towards her friend. If you like josei and noitaminA shows give it a try if you can handle occasional het like an adult.
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>>4529623
>This thread is for:
>*Screenshots, pages, and discussion about general series, current or old, not covered by an existing thread, be it yuri, fanservice, subtext or goggles. Canon and non-canon both welcome.
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>>4529619
>>it seems like the orphan girl's best friend is a lesbian and might harbor some feelings towards her friend.
I don't have much faith when it's used that way; it's not like it's the first series where you have a girl in love with another in something that's basically het. Those feelings are never reciprocated under any excuse the author considers good.
>>you like josei
that's good
>>noitaminA shows
that's bad
>>occasional het
that's bad
Seriously speaking, it's fine to report this, there's nothing wrong with it, but we shouldn't expect more than what's actually presented. In Hotel Inhumans, they were a secondary couple with four episodes dedicated to them, and they got a more or less happy ending. In contrast, something like AI no Idenshi presents it, and in the end, it doesn't even matter because the girl the other girl is in love with is in love with the MC, and that's the purpose of her character.
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>>4529783
>>I don't wanna imagine what the worst one is like.
Basically 99% of the Het romance, Citrus is way above all that, the flag isn't high, but that garbage has people hyping up badly written romance.
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I remember that before the anime came out, there were people who glorified this series too much in its beginnings, especially the protagonists, seeing how things turned out and with something as pathetic as Citrus porori-hen, it feels funny in retrospect.
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>>4529788
>Trap slop
using the term "trap" doesn't make something trapslop as it also pertains to reverse-traps and yuri with irrelevant trap side characters (if they're referred to as traps). I'm against it in principle because it is a slippery slope, but retards will still act surprised when the slope inevitably starts affecting them too
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>>4529794
At the time you really didn't have many yuri works that were pure romance tropes rather than several volumes of angst before something happened. It's very obvious the artwork and this very straightforward depiction helped a lot to popularize both Citrus and Yagakimi.
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>>4529816
I'm sorry but...
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>>4529822
Requirements for yuri back then: Contrasting Hair colors
Requirements for yuri now: A gallon of blood
What the fuck happened?!
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>>4529619
>Anyone else watching Ikoku Nikki? While obviously not a yuri show, it seems like the orphan girl's best friend is a lesbian and might harbor some feelings towards her friend. If you like josei and noitaminA shows give it a try if you can handle occasional het like an adul
Gonna spoil it for you the lesbian best friendgets her own gf.
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>>4529824
>purple and blue
>contrasting
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>>4529822
>People in the know already noticing staff changes and saying it looks bleak
This is gonna implode. Sakugatards should drop yuri. Yuri will forever be a genre with shit productions. Cosmic Kaguya is a miracle
If it's maintext= bad production. Only subtext gets good production
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>>Sakugatards
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>>4529827
>>Why do hetshit still getting made when people just want to look at cute girls anyway?
Because Hetfags are still a plague of inflated egos who feel smarter than everyone else, for being fans of couples or romantic options written with their asses.
>>4529833
It seems that some waifufags have a real fear of yuri and cannot accept the slightest possibility, since the girls belong to them through self-insertion that ironically has more personality than they do.
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>>4529858
Appropiate term for people obssessed with production values who cry when an anime fails to provide 500 clips to upload to Sakugabooru per episode
At some points, I wonder if they even watch the actual episodes instead of just going to Sakugabooru and checking how many clips if any are uploaded of any given episode
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>>4529863
There are also people who drool over specific names of animators or animation directors, commenting practically nothing about the scene and even less about the series in question.
The term is correct and I'm fine with that, my problem is that there are people who even care what those people think, it's not like that level of animation actually translates into a good product in general, I remember people praising the mediocre OP of Absolute Duo for a miserable dance scene and in a pretty bad anime, something similar can be said of Hug Precure and people ignoring that the series is a disjointed Frankenstein.
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>>4529837
Did you really expect the series to have been animated like a high budget western movie for the whole run? Like it still looks incredibly good and will likely have some incredibly stellar work for the extremely sad shit
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>>4529868
Anon is clearly just complaining about yuri, because no matter how good the anime looks and how many genuinely great animation moments it has, if it's not mainstream het garbage, it will never be good because yuri will never be good (apparently).
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I actually like yuri and will watch it no matter what. I'm watching goddam Omae Gotoki. But anon whlo linked the new trailer was mocking the people who thought the pilot video was too good to be true and as it turns out, there's production issues. We can't predict qualty won't go incredibly bad. The new trailer is far from the pilot and a lot of stills and not enough movement. There's cause for concern. Regardless: I'm not the one crying for yuri to have good production. I'm not the one coming here week after week to complain about Omae Gotoki looking bad
Also:
https://x.com/SugoiLITE/status/2024114479378682146
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>>4529873
>And why do you think they're hiding the action?
There's barely any action in it anyway. I still think it wasn't a smart move to make the pilot give people not familiar with the source material the impression that it'll be an action heavy story.
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It's because it's one of those "pre-animated" trailers that instead of using footage from the actual episodes, just animates a few short scenes specficially for the trailer. MAPPA was infamous for doing this with Jigokuraku S1 and CSM S1 where the shows themselves were much worse than their respective first pre animated trailers
Today we got the first actual PV with actual footage from episodes
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>>4529872
It's not a pilot it's a teaser trailer animated entirely in 1s like it's good just on its own. But that is insanely expensive for any studio to do a 12 episode run on. Be serious
>>4529875
>How convenient
Have you not read the source material like at all?
>Shit is on fire behind scenes
I'm sure it is, like I give a shit what a bunch of people on Twitter say lmao
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>>4529879
The point is doubting the preanimated trailer and thinking the show can still look bad is not as ridiculous as anon wants to claim.
I don't care about the source. The staff got lucky then that they can use the "it doesn't have much action" excuse to hide the anime actually looking like crap and not using the few action in the trailers that use actual footage. They use a few barely animated pretty looking SoL scenes to decieve people and make them think everything is fine
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>>4529880
Except we just saw actual footage from the show and it looks solid. Sasakoi had the writing on the wall when the seires had to be pushed back multiple times. No such thing has happened here at the time of posting. You should just stop being such a fucking negative nancy because the quality of the teaser isn't 1:1 to the actual show. Again, be serious
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You know a show that started loooking great and didn't have delays?
Look what it devolved into
https://youtu.be/UhmBnaEcbfA
>>4529886
Because I assume no one here knows this "earlier post by the former director". Gotta inform people that there's trouble and the show is likely to melt down
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>>4529880
NTA but I think the reason to why KimiShinu had so much effort put into it was because the staff was allowed to do their thing regarding the action bits because we don't have a real magic system built in the manga besides some things regarding healing magic and maybe the director resigned because their magic system clashed with the one made by the mangaka, maybe I'm wrong but I remember reading that the mangaka wanted to develop that part after the anime was announced.
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>>4529889
>he wants to whine about it not living up to the expectations in his head
Dude mentioned twice he doesn't even care or know about the source material.
It's literally just concern trolling and you lot keep giving him your time of day.
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>>4529890
Because I don't know japanese and thus I can only know and read posts in english. I don't know what that post by the former director is
At least I post evidence to back up my suspicions instead of ignoring the red flags and going "look the trailer still look pretty somewhat, doubters btfo"
>>4529889
Again, I watch Omae Gotoki. I don't care. I'm not the one coming here weekly to bitch about that show or going "still looks good" about the new KimiShinu trailer. I was just saying anon has no reason to be so confidenlty smug about the production
>>4529891
Not knowing the source material doesn't mean I wouldn't like it if new yuri anime looks good or that I can't comment on how the production is looking from the details we have
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>>4529901
God shut the fuck up you sniveling worm. Stop pretending to be knowledgeable about the situation and stop talking about Omae Gotoki like it is the worst adaptation you've ever fucking seen
>Not knowing the source material
It does because it is not an action series, it is a dramatic one and you keep acting like the absence of them is a smoking gun that it's gonna blow
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Dishonest sakugabait, not yuri.
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SOVL, true yuri.
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>>4529902
It's just one of many signals really
Blame the former staff who decided to put action in the pre animated trailer, then, for false marketing and expectations
I mention Omae Gotoki because it's recent and subpar and people keep bitching about it every thursday
The real troll is >>4529822 for being so smug against the doubters when there are still red flags.
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>>4529907
I'm starting to suspect you're the smug tatrd and a toxic postivity fuck who hates people criticizing or doubting the stuff he likes. The only troll here is your disigenous shit
So now including action in the teaser of what you call a drama with little action is not false marketing or expectations? So it does have significant action and hiding it is a red flag, then
You can't have it both ways
If the action is indeed not so important and rare, then including such a sequence in the first teaser IS false marketing. The only way it isn't is if it's an action title with lots of it.
The teaser sets expectations for a new audience. It's not only aimed to manga readers. Thus if you include action, you're telling the misinformed to expect action. No one expected action from Watatabe and everyone expected drama because that's what the trailers presented from the start
The action scene in the trailer IS misleading and false marketing. Stop being so asshurt about any criticism of the show and it's trailers
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>>4529911
The info about the staff change and production issues is not something I've seen posted here before, so it is new
Criticism and concern about the production is not concern trollig, you shill.
>>has no knowledge of the source material nor cares when informed about it
How is the source relevant when discussing the art and animation quality of the anime?. How will reading the source help discuss the anime's production?
Accept you were wrong to be so smug about the production being good and kill yourself. Accept that it was right to doubt the teaser's quality would translate to the final product
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>>4529914
"the staff can do nothing wrong" is not a valid call out
>No because it's a fucking teaser
What? You're not making any sense. The final show could be Sasakoi tier and you would still pretend there's nothing wrong and that it's on par with the teaser and that it was wrong to claim that teaser doesn't reflect the final product. Fuck off you disingenous piece of shit. Stop defending a shitty industry for free
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Neither of you are going to win this internet fight, so for both your own sakes, just give up and end it. Don't try to get the last word in, just go. Think about your blood pressure, do you really want to die an early death of stress because someone on the internet disagreed with you?
Shut up!!!!
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>>4529916
It was actually "Instead, you’re coming across as a disingenuous fuck who’s trying to prop up your own position by laundering that information through a trusted leaker."
But I know reading is hard when you're not making up shit
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>>4529918
Is the concept of a hypothetical so hard to understand for you?.
Still the trailer already shows inferior quality to the teaser and a heavy use of stills and scenes with little movement
Which is worriying when coupled with a sudden staff change reveal and the former director complaining about the situation being depressing
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It's telling that 'it's Sasakoi-tier' is the first hypothetical you jump to.
>heavy use of stills and scenes with little movement
Because it's not an action series, and the drama doesn't require a thousand hand-drawn cells per scene. Who knew?
>coupled with a sudden staff change reveal and the former director complaining about the situation being depressing
Doesn't mean 'Sasakoi-tier' production
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The point was to mention an extreme because of how disingenous anon is being about pretending there's no red flags at all and that including a sakuga action scene in the first teaser aimed at uninformed people who know nothing of the source is not false marketing or expectations. People expect these reveal videos to inform them of what they're getting into. If you include such an action scene people of course expect an action show
Imagine if the first trailer for Watatabe had a sakuga scene of Shiori fighting youkai despite the show not being about that at all. Do I literally expect a Sasakoi-tier disaster for Kimishinu? No, that's an exaggerated hypothetical. But I do expect that quality won't be as high as promied and as people expect and the show to have issues, even if they aren't as extreme.
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Sugoi and a few others who have read the former director's account and have noticed him posting his situation is depressing and then the sudden staff changes.
Staff changing from what is first announced is rarely a good sign.
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>include such an action scene people of course expect an action show
Again if you'd give a shit; The series largely is devoid of action but has a couple of set pieces. So still not false marketing. I don't care about rumors, I only care about the final product tard
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The staff change and the former director saying the situation is depressing is not "rumor", retard
Watabe also has some setpieces of action. Doesn't mean including such scenes in a reveal trailer instead of focusing on the drama that is the actual bulk of the show is a good idea. Stop defending these people when they aren't paying you
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>>4529931
I agree, though rarely a good sign to production issues is still a big jump. It was obvious the show would never have the same quality as the original teaser, which is not to say it won't still be good. Usually when production issues are happening we start getting delays, as this is the common industry response, which is also not to say the delays can't fix or mitigate most of those issues. Sasakoi problems were mostly happening because the studio was already facing financial issues before it even started.
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>>4529931
There are two notable action scenes in the span the anime will cover, and the pilot movie depicted one and heavily hinted at the other. Both are not until volume 3. The content of the PV is from the first two chapters where there's no action. Unless they were heavily altering the source material, this PV would not have had action scenes even it there hadn't been a change in staff. The pilot is not false advertising unless those scenes end up looking vastly different and inferior in the final product, and this PV is no indication of worse quality based on the content it's adapting.
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Sasakoi looked pretty good for most part, it's 2 or 3 episodes that were weird looking, people have to stop using yuri to project their personal desire to win console wars and start enjoying the works for what they are, this is not the production values board.
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>>4529941
Stop fellating them for free, retard
The PV is a sign of worse quality, when coupled with sudden staff changes from what they first announced and the only hint being the former director saying the situation is depressing
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>>4529948
In most episodes. Compare to Watanare which is also based on designs and illustrations by Takeshima Eku. Takeshima also showed clear displeasure with the anime. You don't need these copes. This isn't the production values board
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>>4529960
Character animation is a thing. Action isn't the only thing that needs or benefits from good animation. You can also give good production to drama scenes or romance scenes or scenes of characters talking, you know? Such scenes that the trailer shows don't need to be bunch of stills and little movement like the trailer shows
That said, source readers here say there's only like 1 or 2 action scenes in the material the anime should cover. So in that case, I imagine it'd be easy for at least that to look good. They can focus on them since it isn't much.
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Also, forgot to say. Volume 3. Most anime adapt 3 volumes or so of material. So I expect Vol 3 episodes to air in late august or september (final 4 episodes or so), which also gives them more time to nail and finish up the 2 action scenes
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>>everyone
Don't generalize and pretend you're right. If we're talking about shitty productions, other studios have also had their screw-ups, but having money allows them to keep going.
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>>Takeshima also showed clear displeasure with the anime.
Frankly, I only remember one person happy about having an adaptation, and ironically, fans who liked the series in general, including the main couple.
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>>It looked crap
This is what happens when you watch 1 or 2 series a year, clearly you haven't seen anything that really looks like crap, Venus Project Climax was a real disaster that looked cheap, inconsistent and uninspired, the anime only had 6 episodes.
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>>4529986
Sasakoi is far below simply being "not a sakugafest". And I never said KimiShinu is "bound to be shit". Just dissapointing if you expect something like the teaser or something better thnan the usual yuri anime. It will be decent but not the visual revolution people expect.
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The toxic positivity is assuming I'm dishonest and "concern trolling". I have already said that I simply expect the show to be mediocre or minimamlly decent and I'm not literally expecting a super disaster. Let's use numbers
The KimiShinu teaser: 8 or 9/10
The PV and what I expect of the show: 6 or 7/10
Sasakoi: 4/10 at best
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>>4529822
I'm concerned by the sudden staff change and how the director got done dirty but I also know someone who participated in the show and he said the schedule was fine and that there's a lot of people working on it so I guess we'll see but I advise to keep expectations in check.
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Threesome should ONLY be allowed when it's a pity threesome between an established couple and a third girl in love with one of the couple and she has done tremendous and I mean TREMENDOUS amount of WORK, like SAVING THE KINGDOM level of work, to earn that pity threesome
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Last raildex chapter had misaki and misaka fighting for kuroko's attention.
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>>4530105
Shut the fuck up, Mary
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>I Want to Love You Till Your Dying Day director Takudai Kakuchi fired mid production
>Yasushi Tomoda, previously credited as assistant director, now director.
>Nao Enomoto has been added as the new assistant director,
>Nao Enomoto has directed only one episode and served as assistant on another show previously.
This is going to be a shitshow, isn't it?
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I think tanpenshū/anthologies are great, and this one is my favorite that i reread every year.
Anyone else have a favorite anthology collection where every story is great?Shame the author seems to have switched exclusively to making het for the past decade tho
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>Kimishinu might not save yuri and stop ww3
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>>4530166
Media literacy happened.
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>>4530168
I thought that an important point was missing here and that it should be fixed.
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A bit of a noobish question but where is the best place to find light novels and stuff like that? I've been told the novel of Shuukura, Adachi to Shimamura and Roll Over and Die all are better than the mangas but I have only found the mangas when looking
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Localized novels can be found (under the english name) here (filter under literature, english translated):
https://nyaa.si/
Shuukura (and a few others)
https://avelilium.com/
Adashima
https://sneikkimies.github.io/
Roll Over and Die (mostly novel, but includes links for the manga volumes too)
https://nyaa.si/?f=0&c=3_1&q=roll+over
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>>4529822
Not to dredge up a discussion we’ve already had, but the only cut that stands out to me as egregiously “static” is the one in the garden around the 11-second mark. It lasts about three seconds and only has some mouth flaps. Instead of having all the other students already looking at you, they could have made it feel more dynamic, for example, by having the ones in front turn around.
Still, I feel like the people claiming it looks static or lacks character movement are making a mountain out of a molehill. That scene is literally the only moment in the entire PV that stands out in that respect. Every other cut either has decent animation or is too short to make any real judgment.
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>>4530322
Remember when some people around here were complaining that Vlad Love's first visual looked completely different from when the real information and visuals started coming out, and it turned out to be a comedy, and then there were complaints because it wasn't the super serious crap they wanted?
The funny thing is that being a comedy and the visuals were the least of the problems of an unfunny, outdated comedy, with terrible male characters and even the secondary girls weren't memorable, in addition to a miserable and poorly implemented yuri that doesn't even remind me that anyone had a minimum of affection for the main couple (falsely shouting that something is yuri, but refusing to refer to any couple, doesn't count as yuri)
The point is that there are already precedents here of stupid complaints based on nothing, from people who probably don't even watch the thing in the first place and will come out with opinions they read on a blog or the video of some idiot who pretends to know about anime.
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>>4530328
Watanare has a mediocre production and it's honestly enough, some of you are living in fantasy land when like 1 or 2 anime every season maybe have good production values, even fucking shonen jump stuff like OPM can have disasters even worse than Sasakoi.
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>>4530346
It's a very good series, very gay and also heartbreaking, even in the worse case scenario for the anime I still think people will love it, unlike you hear here, even with problems, people still liked Sasakoi anime.
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>>4530352
No one liked Sasakoi anime, delusional coper
That said, I still have faith for KimiShinu. Just not this exaggerated idea people are preaching. I doubt it will be Sasakoi-level. That's just doomposting (and not the weirdest doompost. I've seen people go conspiracy schizo mode thinking the old or new staff want to "remove yuri" or "make it het")
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>>No one liked Sasakoi anime, delusional coper
I literally saw a lot of people start badmouthing the couple and the series in general. After the anime, the only ones I see badmouthing it are a group of snobs with inflated egos. The rest of us normal people simply watched a series where mistakes were made, the result wasn't what was expected, and it would have been better if they hadn't tried to make a multimedia project.
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>>4530337
>>some of you are living in fantasy land when like 1 or 2 anime every season maybe have good production values,
Most of the anime this season looks acceptable; it's a group of overgrown children making stupid complaints and pointless comparisons (the same people who compare a weekly anime to a movie that took years to make). It's funny how KnY fans find any excuse or twist reality and refuse to admit that the series is poorly written and the second half was literally pushed to the end, but since there's Sakuga, then this series can't be bad.
>>even fucking shonen jump stuff like OPM can have disasters even worse than Sasakoi.
It's worse than that, S1 was made with a mainly pretentious mentality and was the playground of a director who felt superior to the original work and especially the fans, so S2 onwards would never meet the unrealistic nerdy expectations of the "fans" (I also remember people complaining about how Index 2 looked like crap)
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>>4530365
Yes, but this was my point with Watanare, the series has some visible less quality moments but does it's best to get around them, hell even JJK had some terrible episodes with clearly unfinished animation. Personally I don't think KNY is bad written, at least not in comparison with other stuff like CSM which honestly shouldn't be allowed to exist, but it's really your basic shonen formula well done. But yes, I agree that while the downgrade in OPM S2 is notable, it was still far from looking bad.
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>>4530570
That's not narrative, it's mental problems, since QUALITY no longer seems to be working, now it's going for false and dishonest accusations.
>>4530581
That's the problem with romance series that raise and resolve any possible conflict with the main couple (Karekano had the same problem and isn't the masterpiece many claim, especially the anime). That's why you have a secondary couple with conflicts and even more attractive girl designs: >>4530582
People want to see conflict in romance, not the happy couple doing cheesy couple things.
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The problem is that it's not a good anime overall. It's so focused on being symbolic that it forgets the most important thing about a yuri series, which is the main couple and yuri in general, not some silly symbolism of persecution. The analogy doesn't make the same sense when you realize that the bears in this world aren't victims, but active predators who infiltrate human society for mostly selfish purposes (if that's what Ikuhara thinks of lesbians, they should honestly be more worried about him).
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>People want to see conflict in romance, not the happy couple doing cheesy couple things
NTA but the problem here was that the idea they had regarding Sasakoi was to sell a Roselia-type of girls band with Laureley and Shiho and I think that's the main reason of the anime quality being so bad, they made a strategic change barely one year before the anime was released. The funniest thing it's that the strategy kind of worked because Shiho's merch sold as expected in Japan.
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I remember never watching otherside picnic's anime for a long time because people talked about it like it was the worst thing ever. I watched it, fell in love, read all the novels, and manga. It is one of my favorite series ever now and I'd never get to enjoy it if I listened to people who don't like anything.
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>The analogy doesn't make the same sense when you realize that the bears in this world aren't victims, but active predators
It's the other way around, if I recall. The 'normal people' are so desperate trying to find and ostracise the bears that they either don't know, or choose to ignore, they're bears themselves. They're wearing masks, and the bears are themselves.
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>>4530700
Or you could've gone to the manga and LN people actually reccomed without wasting your time on the nonsense shitshow
Imagine shilling the worst mistakes of the genre for free. Sasakoi anime and now Otherside Picinic anime? Fuck off.
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>>4530683
I wasn't actually referring to the real problems in the anime that you mentioned, but to the main couple, and let's be honest, it's not that interesting when they hook up so easily and quickly. Couples with more conflict seem more interesting to the general public.
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>>4530711
That's the beautiful mentality that really kills franchises; it's not about valuing what you have and receive, but about being a spoiled baby who demands what he has no right to, because he believes he has a moral authority superior to others.
The Umineko fans complained a lot that their sacred cow didn't get a 50-episode adaptation with movie-level production values adapting the first 4 episodes. What happened in the end? These same fans pretended they never liked the series, since they liked the ending and it made them look like idiots. Thanks to that garbage, we got Higurashi Gou, which is currently the only property (besides Silent Hill F) that people give a damn about from the author.
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>>It is one of my favorite series ever now and I'd never get to enjoy it if I listened to people who don't like anything.
Developing your own opinion about things will always be a better option. There are people who give honest recommendations, then you have the idiots who think their opinion is absolute (fueled by pure ignorance, since it seems that knowing less is a good thing) and they're going to trash titles whose biggest sin is not being mainstream.
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>>4530721
>pretending people hate Umi now and they love the trainwreck shitshow Higu Gou
Stop trying to project your retarded opinions as reality or a majority. This discussion doesn't even belong here because When They Cry isn't and never will be remotely yuri
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>>4530793
Are you ignoring the pair of witches who literally have a toxic relationship, but a relationship nonetheless?
And I was only talking about Umineko, Higurashi is nothing more than a pathetic hetfest and it always has been.
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The guy has never really been a good writer, I even remember how Umineko has always been on the list of worst doujins, someone even mentioned (in an old forum) that rather than the anime being a bad adaptation, the original wasn't that good to begin with.
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I want more characters like Ai Okayama in my yuri
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I have a bit of a dumb question but am I interpreting this right?
In CPK, didYachiyo exist as Kaguya all along or because Kaguya was raised on Yachiyo she became Yachiyo after getting back to earth 8k years too soon?
I was thinking it Yachiyo was an AI originally with no real person behind it but then when Yachiyo went to the moon and came back, she realized that would be the easiest way to reconnect with Iroha and became her. but idk if that's right
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It's a timeloop paradox. Yachiyo was always Kaguya who timetraveled 8000 years to the past because of the asteroid from the start. She didn't choose to become Yachiyo. Yachiyo is the result of Kaguya waiting 8000 years to pass to get back to Iroha's time because her lunarian time machine spaceship got broken
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>>4531078
Because they think it's funny and because of comphet and heteronormality making young girls think straight confessions are more serious than gay romance
In the end it's meaningless because they don't interact that way with any boy beyond the "love letter could be from a guy" gag
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idk, but i feel it slightly undermines the actual yuri the show has by showing Ino doesn't view those relationships with the same amount of severity, and more just as gags.
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>The blushing is not really for the boy but for the overall situation
your media literacy, sis...
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>>4531082
It's not as complex or stupid as you think. Rather than being something more serious, men (it's assumed) get straight to the point, which is getting married and having children (as the message in HUG Precure says), while between girls there can be a romance without depending on societal expectations, going at your own pace in the relationship. A heterosexual relationship only exists to be a driving force in society and nothing more.
Furthermore, drawing such stupid conclusions from a lesbian lust train like Fruit Tart is a new level of hetfag autism.
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>>4531106
Nah, they're just silly things that are added, anecdotal things that don't have any real weight on the characters, but when you have real bisluts, like in Primsa Illya, Date a Live or the chain soldier this season, nobody complains when those are true examples of targeting fetishes for waifufags.
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>>hetfags
You've got the term wrong; for something to appeal to hetfags, there has to be het romance, not just mentions of men.
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>>4531102
In the last two volumes they got excited about futanari twice. It's a series about perversions and since it's only girls with no men in sight most perversions turn out to be yuri but it's not a safe series, there are occasional perversions that go against yuri.
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>>4531113
Why would anyone here come to complain about het shows doing het things? They're completely off-topic to this board.
You're retarded "Why aren't yuri fans in the yuri board complaining about het stuff in het shows? Why do they ignore said shows and don't mention them in the yuri board where they don't belong?"
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>finding random things fictional women are doing you don't approve to be upset
this is the y/u/ri board, caring about what (and who) fictional women do comes with the territory. If you prefer them lusting after men, theres always /a/
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>het shows
>Primsa Illya
Stop making it clear you don't know what you're talking about. And if we're talking about the other two examples, yes, they're straight-up series for straight-up people, but that doesn't change the fact that these series feature a "lesbian" who is "mysteriously" attracted to a man. And without any irony, it's even more pathetic than having a Tomoyo (a loser, but at least she stays gay).
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NTA but there is "no other two examples", the girls are only attracted to Shiho and his alternate counterpart, the so called yuri is just used for disonest fanservice, the girls have no interest in dating each other but would 100% date their step brothers had they the chance and the manga makes no effort to not make this clear cut.
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>>4531162
And that doesn't change the shows are het. And don't belong here. Complaining is also off-topic. You're a retard. You watch shitton of shows and think this is your personal discord or whatever where anything goes. No: It's a yuri board. People won't ever mention shows that don't fit regardless of what happens in them. Stop bringing hetshit here.
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>mahou and hs
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>yuri hentai within yuri hentai
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>>Kuro and Illya
Kuro is literally the reason this series went to shit, and she's the biggest Bislut there could be. She was the epitome of a vulgar Bislut, so why ignore the part that's even remotely yuri? Besides, the only het thing in the movie was Sakura being attracted to Shiro, and nothing else.
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I know the series has become another Nasu-brand garbage, but it's also quite dishonest to ignore the minimal but semi-important yuri presented in the series (no, it doesn't involve Kuro).
>>4531184
Stop glorifying your own ignorance. Don't blame me because I do know real cases of poor quality and writing, especially true cases of yuri treated as fanservice and without respect. No, Fruit Tart is not one of those examples.
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>>4531190
And those cases don't belong here. No one cares about "real" or "fake". You don't get to mention shows that are het just to prove a point or win some shit eating competition. "I ate some real rotten feces" OK, so what?. Who cares you're the lord of shit taste and eat the biggest turds? Congratulations: you're the shit expert.
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Stop pretending you're intelligent when you know nothing and wallow in your own misery and ignorance. Those series you insist on ignoring are always mentioned in one way or another by people out there on the internet and are presented as yuri without any irony. It's important to know about them so people aren't deceived into something that isn't yuri and so that this ignorance isn't promoted (while real yuri is ignored).
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Echoing another anon, the progression/development of the main pairing is really satisfying. The side characters are also very well done.
Unrelated, has anyone ever noticed how shit the official description for the manga (and now anime) is? Especially this part:
>Sheena's world grows even more complicated when she begins living with someone who loves and welcomes death, when all Sheena wants to do is stop it…
>who loves and welcomes death
What the fuck? That's an astoundingly bad way to describe Mimi.
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>It's the idea of getting married that is making her blush
So the reason Ino is blushing while getting flustered and questioning Hayu about what she should do about the love letter, while fantasizing about getting married is because she's planning on immediately rejecting the hypothetical boy without hesitation?
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not even trying to be mean this time, but this sounds like actual mental gymnastics to explain away the scenario. The author just thought it would be funny, same with the 30 repetitive breast envy gags each episode
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The problem is that you're overthinking a joke, something that has no real bearing on future events, and you're completely ignoring the true point of the whole series, missing the point completely.
It's like having your favorite food at your birthday party and throwing everything on the floor because the tablecloth is a color you don't like, and then insulting all the guests for it.
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A reminder that not only does the blonde die, but her younger sister becomes Kakine's love interest (the guy who assaulted and kicked Uhiaru, and Hetfags interpreted that as romantic). Furthermore, the other three not only have a relationship with the third male protagonist of Index, but the black-haired one is actually his girlfriend.
What the hell does this have to do with yuri?
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>>4531358
To add on to the list, the Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight movie.
It is a sequel to the TV show so you do need to watch that first along with the last 10 minutes of the recap movie but it is well worth it.
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>>4531469
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>>4531414
The scene literally ends in yuri and nothing else ever happens, it's the equivalent of complaining about a family trip before it happens and then when you get back having fun, you play dumb and pretend you never complained.
The funny thing is that back when the anime came out, this wasn't a problem for anyone on this board; nobody cared, since people were more involved in important yuri stuff. Why should you care now when nothing het is even happening?
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>>4531390
Kuroko is nothing more than a pathetic footnote, with little or no relevance; almost all the importance that she, and even Saten and Uiharu, have in Railgun is almost original to the anime. The original is more focused on reminding us how important Touma is.
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>>Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight movie.
This is literally one of the best experiences I've ever had with an animated film. The animation is used correctly and doesn't feel like the super limited, just-look-pretty crap that Kyoani always makes and gets praised more.
In addition, everyone's talking about movies with yuri (even if it's just subtext) after watching Kaguya... how on earth has no one mentioned Blackfox yet?
I know it could technically be a pilot that never became a series, but it's a good starting point if they ever manage to develop something in the future.
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>>Touma is still dead
Touma will never die (for real) the author is too incompetent to do that.
>>like I don't doubt Kuroko to get shit done.
Kuroko is a footnote until Railgun; she is hated by the same fanbase that is happy every time Touma punches a woman in the face.
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>>4531486
It's always been convoluted, the fans seem to live under the false notion that because the author writes a lot of crap (most of it unnecessary), it's synonymous with quality. We have to endure more Index because Heavy Object didn't matter to almost anyone.
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>>4531492
Can't he do like the Love Hina author did with Negima? The editors wanted haremshit, he gradually transitioned the story from that to action, and he apparently ended it with a yuri couple and nobody caring about the male MC.
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>>4531492
Although that's what it's already doing, the problem is its tendency to refuse to let women do anything relevant without a man involved. Even in the novel that had two groups facing off and three girls as the central focus, Touma has to appear at the end and remind us that he's super important. Since those three girls don't fall in love with Touma, I don't remember them even appearing again.
I don't trust any of the spin-offs either. This is just like Hug Precure; no matter what the girls do, the men will always be more important. Several of them are nothing more than annoying bitches fulfilling some fetish. The Accelerator spin-off is the closest thing to something competently made that actually blends magic and science, something the original mostly fails at (despite that being its main selling point).
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They aren't (although it seems fair there are others, but as I said, they are annoying bitches) while the hetfans push the 3 of them with men (like Uihari with Kakine for stupid reasons) they have shown themselves to be competent characters, mainly when they are in better hands, like the anime adaptations of Railgun and it's kind of funny when Saten comes face to face with Touma and they both act like normal people having a normal interaction (although they are accused of giving Touma and Misaka moments at the end of the arc)
People will probably mention the two girls who are supposedly the author's official yuri choice regarding Railgun, but they aren't that relevant and their absence in the novel, where Misaki suffers an existential crisis due to the possibility that her interactions with Touma are fake (seriously), is where they would have been key instead of the crap that stupid novel ended up being.
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>>4531495
Not only that, it has a live-action version with kisses between the girls (as far as I understand). The problem with Negia ranges from a really bad adaptation and terrible handling of the series by the publisher to an author who ended up angry with everyone. The important thing is that the yuri is done well in the end, but I'll leave that up to the fans.
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>>4531498
Almost all female characters in raildex are boring and bland I don't really care about them at all
>The Accelerator spin-off is the closest thing to something competently made that actually blends magic and science
He misses the chance to permanently team pairing Accelerator and Touma since those two actually have interesting dynamics as foil
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>>4531500
The problem is that there really is (some) yuri in the terrible Raildex universe, but it's buried under a huge layer of crap, which tends to be ignored by people who want to give more relevance to said yuri than it actually has.
But I was very upset when a sequel to Railgun was announced but not one for Index, considering that both series always went hand in hand, even when fans insist that Index is a masterpiece and Railgun a pathetic "project B" where Kuroko, Saten and Uiharu are the worst characters ever created for not being in love with Touma, I'm not exaggerating at all.
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>>4531505
I don't want to derail this any further, so this is the last thing I'll say about the series. The author is an idiot who not only missed the opportunity to do that, but also to make the series (since New Testament) more of a team of characters fighting together against the villains. Instead, the series remained the same crap it was before World War III. I really hate this crap, and it makes me even angrier that they pretend there's more yuri than the series actually presents. It's the same as Type-Moon; one or two spin-offs don't change the terrible hetero nature of the series.
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>Denpa Onna
They're apparently related but no.
>explained eventually
Also no. I don't even know what Yashiro does for Adachi and Shimamura's relationship. She's neither girl's wingwoman, nor is she their matchmaker if I recall.
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>I don't even know what Yashiro does for Adachi and Shimamura's relationship
I see you didn't read the novels.
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> Shuukura
> Rainy night
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Sorry for asking here, but I’m completely new to Skeb. Does anyone know if the “fee-free” period she mentioned is still ongoing? I checked the links on Skeb’s Twitter and found one that seemed to be about a fee-free period, where the bottom section had text that translated to 'For requests approved by creators between February 20 at 6:00 PM and February 22 at 5:59 PM,' but she posted that she was open for requests on the 23rd.
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We have Kamiina Botan next season
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All I know is it's marketed as actual yuri by people who only do so if it's maintext, like Sugoi Lite
And if you want work adult yuri. Eh. Maybe they don't do numbers or think the anime audience is much interested in that. Even for het, working adults are very rare for romance stuff
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I believe the fee free event has already ended, i couldn't find any more recent fee free events other than that one which has already ended, and theyre usually pretty rare nowadays. Not that it matters much for the client though, as the fee is on their end
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Cant think of many working adults anime adaptations, but Ayako is in love got a live action adaptation not long ago (and a season 2).
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>Ayako is in love got a live action adaptation not long ago (and a season 2).
Yea the only ones have been live action like She Loves to Cook and She Loves to Eat and Even Though We're Adults. Like if Pink Candy Kiss got adaptated, it would be live action
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>>4532254
I guess the smiley workplace Kuzushiro thing doesn't count?
>Wonder why?
There's not that many of them, and even fewer that are good and popular. You mentioned some good examples but even still for every one there's dozens of other non-adult series that could've been adapted but weren't, it's odd but not that unlikely.
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>smiley workplace Kuzushiro
I thought that was subtext or yuri crush?
>it's odd but not that unlikely
True, I'd just like to see a few and in sometimes case she deserves one of her series being adapted, why not the only one that didn't get axed?
>You mentioned some good examples
Thanks! It's kinda hard to think of series that would benefit from being animated like "The Story of Unforgettable Witch" would but probably not "Brides of Ibreis"
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There isn't much content left for the manga to adapt, it just ended without properly finishing the story. People mostly shit on the LN because while the story and the characters are interesting, it's not really written in an interesting way, it's one of those cases where the manga largely improves by removing redundant monologues or exposition.
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>That entire paragraph
Neat! I'll add it to the log
>2nd paragraph
Was it really obviously axed? The current arc was mid swing when the last TL chapter came out
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>does it really get that bad?
Probably like you, I've also a manga only and I think it's phenomenal. I heard the LN never finished but the manga will finish the plot and unless it nose dives, it's definitely gonna be an all time favorite for me
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Well they could be like that Mikko manga that spends the last chapter whining about the manga being canceled. But even if it was axed she was probably given like 4 or 5 extra chapters to wrap it up. If anything it's more like school zone rn
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It would have 3 chapters left since it close the volume with that. SZ was also definitely another case of axe and the author not taking it well and just abandoning it. A pity the author seems to be struggling to even do oneshots now, she is a person of culture too.
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If it was axed it would have been given a couple more on top of that. From the author of SZ, she just got bored hence it being in hiatus (which technically serves her right since none of her series seem to go anywhere)
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Anon, authors don't get suddenly axed, they are told how much each volume sells and how likely it will be for the axe or not, the publisher will then determine which volume will end regardless of how much plot is left, it's up to authors to prepare for the axe and not the opposite.
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Good news for Nights of Azure 3, will be announced any day now.
Yep, it's coming...I can feel it...
Anytime now...
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I used to watch real co/u/ple youtubers but its way too parasocial so it started getting weird after some of the ones I watched for years broke up, had drama, or even worsehad kids and became momslop channels. I just stick to fiction now.
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I think there's also a particular lack of inhibition when something is specifically drawn by and for fujoshi culture. Like the polar opposite of Namori drawing for an overwhelmingly male slice of life moe otaku audience.
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I never said "lolicon" though, I said "moe slice of life".
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Since bringing up Itou Hachi is old hat: when Takano Saku does loli it's very, very shoujo-ey loli.
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It was terrible in several aspects; those bitches on screen were unbearable, and the fact that this animosity was caused by a man made it all the worse.
I'll stick with the phrase a certain Japanese user said when this ended: "This shit isn't yuri."
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>> the actual sport disavowed it.
It was funny that they apologized. Who thought it was a good idea for the protagonists to cheat to win and have to do that because of their own negligence?
Another funny thing is that the staff resorted to a (more or less) yuri author to make what looked like the manga and this basically didn't generate any interest from anyone. The secondary yuri "options" (only 2) were superior to the main characters (although that's not difficult) but still quite mediocre to carry the entire series or generate real interest in the series.
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Moe slice of life genre is just populated by female lolicon artists. Ume Aoki, Namori, Kaori Hanzawa, just the ones off the top of my head. Moe itself was born from the lolicon genre of the 70s-90s, and Ume Aoki's influence is the reason girls in moe series look like little girls.
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Her hair used to be longer and the anime is giving her the shorter hairstyle from the start but make no mistake, she's a cute dork.
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I don't want to stereotype harder than I already am but I do tend to notice differences between men's loli yuri tastes and women's loli yuri tastes
https://www.cmoa.jp/title/customer_review/title_id/175018/?site_kbn=1
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It's worse than both by the fact the main 2 girls are in an actual explicit het love triangle with a literal faceless self insert (the show literally never shows his face)
Other than that, Kandagawa is actually decent and fun. Not great but doesn't deserve to be put on the level of these two disasters
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>>4532870
I guess I should elaborate that I meant audiences, not authors (a ton of early shoujo authors were men, for example, but it was still mostly little girls reading it). I've come across more female fan artists for Strike Witches of all things compared to Yuru Yuri.
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>>4532882
>kandagawa jet girls.
As the other anon said, it doesn't deserve to be put on the same level as those two pieces of shit. It's not only funny, but it's yuri, it develops based on yuri and it ends in yuri, yes, that happens.
>highspeed etoile
>yuri racing anime is cursed
I see what you're doing; you're selling a false narrative, using one yuri series and two series that simply aren't yuri to say that yuri in general is bad. The problem is that not only does Two Car fail miserably to be yuri (it's despised for not being yuri, by the way), but Highspeed Etoile can't even be categorized as Het, much less yuri, because there's literally not even any shipping.
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>>explicit het love triangle with a literal faceless self insert (the show literally never shows his face)
It's worse, you see his face in the final stretch and the guy is so average, it makes you question why so much fight over him, then they bring in a fiancée and shit happens.
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>>4532939
Why would people stop the official ship? Yes, it may be boring and shit. But it's the obvious intention of the author. It's like wanting people to stop shipping Iroha with Kaguya in Cosmic Princess Kaguya
Now about popularity: The studio is a mess and they had to delay Zom 100 (their previous show) episodes to the point it killed interest in the show
I have confliciting information about how likely it is that WHA can avoid the same fate. So pray for no delays
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>>The studio is a mess and they had to delay Zom 100 (their previous show) episodes to the point it killed interest in the show
Frankly, you should be more concerned about the reason for these delays (I think a live-action version came out at the same time as the Zom 100 anime) because even Ufotable has had problems during broadcasts.
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That's not going to happen. They're literally the official couple, and Fern has about as much charisma as chewing aluminum foil, and Frieren herself is a terrible romantic interest. Why not focus on the only minimal (but inferior to other series) yuri element this show has?
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They've shown finished animation from at least the first four or five episodes in trailers so it at least won't be as bad as Zom 100. The anime has been in production for four years including a public delay and possibly more undisclosed ones so hopefully any major issue has been ironed out in the meantime and they're not still rushing it out.
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There are perhaps more male Yuru Yuri fans than female, but those male fans rarely care about the yuri and dynamics between characters, despite those being the things that Namori emphasizes alongside all the slice of life stuff. It's almost always female artists making yuri doujins of YrYr. Most male YrYr artists who draw NSFW stuff draw the characters in all sorts of hetshit situations. And even when it's yuri, they take little care in the character personalties and dynamics.
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Anon, I think you are taking it too far, most people regardless of gender, the ones actually buying Yuru Yuri care about yuri or at least CGDCT shipping dynamics, you shouldn't confuse them with the people who are obsessed with hentai, they don't really care about the series and I bet you a lot of the hentai you say you see are actually comissions from some freak who is also commissioning other 50 artists at the same time.
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>>4533053
You're making too many assumptions about something you clearly know absolutely nothing about. Don't pretend there aren't women who make or enjoy hentai of their favorite characters, including Het.
It is the waifufags who ignore any aspect that has to do with the characters and relationships, to do whatever they want with the characters, but even they cannot escape the nature of a series.
Fans of the series in general, whether men or women (believe me), are interested in the character dynamics and potential couples, but that part depends on each person's tastes.
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>> the hentai you say you see are actually comissions from some freak who is also commissioning other 50 artists at the same time.
This is really not an exaggeration, this is quite common with these people who have money to pay artists to literally do the same repetitive crap for all eternity, even we have a (horrible) yuri example with Captain Niro and that stupid art of tribadism, NTR and pregnancy between eggs.
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Beyond the user reviews comparison I posted earlier, I search Yuru Yuri on Pixiv and just get male otaku aesthetics with overwhelmingly male bookmarks (likely boosted by guys who pick "female" as a joke or gaijins who- I'll shut up now). Then I search Valkyrie Drive Mermaid with "popularity among female users" on and instantly get stuff with obvious female otaku aesthetics and actual significant activity from female users. And yeah I could've done Love Live yuri or something to be nicer but I went for this instead.
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>I search Yuru Yuri on Pixiv
*also with "popularity among female users" on
But yeah do it with some random Love Live pairings, same shit, you can instantly identify "woman otaku fans are into this". If there is this significant Yuru Yuri female fanbase in Japan, then where is it. Don't see them on social media either.
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>new series from author of childhood friend big love
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>>4533123
I wouldn't say "very female" as much as "actually has elements likely to draw in women at all" like "more attention to decorative, stylish visually appealing things like fashion & hair styles, or Mirei & Mamori having a seme & uke-like dynamic" vs "practically none"
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Not sure how this is relevant given VD is 11 years old now. Pixiv search includes everything unless you set exact dates (which is a bitch anyway for extended periods since you have to click through every individual month)
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>>I wouldn't say "very female" as much as "actually has elements likely to draw in women at all" like "more attention to decorative, stylish visually appealing things like fashion & hair styles, or Mirei & Mamori having a seme & uke-like dynamic" vs "practically none"
I understand, but I don't understand your point at the same time, but it also feels like things are being assumed too harshly, it's as if the logic is that men don't pay attention to details or authors aren't capable of portraying romance between girls, Citrus is made by a woman and is far from being a role model for yuri.
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>look up the plot
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I really wouldn't bet on it. The obvious yuri route would be a "fight your fate, don't accept the fairytale narrative, tell the prince to fuck off and run away with the witch instead" story, and if that were the case I'd expect the prince to be a smarmy Prince Charming who Lara would initially be taken by and have to realize he has a hidden less pleasant side, ala Elan from WfM, not a rough-around-the-edges delinquent. I think when I looked into it before, the writer or director or someone had done a several feminist-but-not-queer live-action shows before as well, which suggests to me it's likely going to be all about the girls' relationship, but the way that will be expressed is "I'll help you heal so you have the courage to pursue the guy you love even though it failed the first time". Could be wrong and Lara realizes she doesn't need to keep chasing the prince just because that's how the story goes and the person she needs is already right besides her or whatever, but I would bet against it.
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The point is that both fandom are pretty much dead, YY was an explosive success that was the inspiration for many male and female authors and artists, VD was a flop the director said happened because they didn't understood who the series would appeal to, in their minds they were making something for the male audience, but turns out almost everyone that came in the only event the series had were women.
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Hi /u/, It is that time of the year you (yes, YOU) get to influence our divegrass team's roster by suggesting your favorite flavor-of-the-month players. This time the cup now has move to 5 medals so have that in mind when you do the suggestions and also expect an important announcement on the poll
https://pastebin.com/9tnbBehH
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>Citrus is made by a woman and is far from being a role model for yuri
I mean, any serious criticisms aside, in terms of being an equal parts very shoujoey and very "trashy" yuri manga that got tons of the audience for that stuff into yuri, I respect the hell out of it.
>it's as if the logic is that men don't pay attention to details
I do think otaku women in general have higher baseline aesthetic taste than men for whatever reason. There are guys like Kishi Torajiro or Yoshimurakana (both having significant female fanbases funnily enough, while also having totally different tastes & styles to the point where I could see someone love Maka-Maka & Girls' Empire while despising Murcielago) but in general just random fan art drawn by women has more instant visual charisma vs random fan art drawn by men. Generally when I think "fan art by female artists" I think stuff like this...
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To be fair, I don't see anything different here from what I'm already used to seeing in a lot of art I have, whether recent or old. I completely ignore whether the artist is a man or a woman; in fact, I don't even really care about the artist themselves, and I only care about the pairings and/or series. But in general terms, I don't notice any difference or anything that distinguishes art made by men or women.
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I want to say organizing based on "most popular with women" generally results in getting far better art, but the amount of LARPing western accounts present now results in the *absolute* top often being a mess for various tags.
Still, for an example, top R-18 results for "yuri" tag with women (left) and men (right). Which one shows decent aesthetic sense even just for porn, and which one shows "I'll like anything tacky & inexpressive as long as it's a character or fetish I like"?
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Left: Kawauchi, Namaniku, Yukataro, 7menzippo, Fujikasa, a great GuP doujin, that one insanely adorable Maguro Shining foursome doujin, good taste all around
Right: Dude, wow, one-off pictures of characters I like with ugly reflexive "detailed, high-quality" rendering that communicates no emotion
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From my point of view and according to my criteria, neither of the two options in the image really interests me. I don't want art or doujinshi with a specific fetish that the author has or a style of presenting an R-18 situation. I'm only interested in my favorite pairings and that's all, which is why I don't really pay attention to anything aesthetic.
What I actually see in the example image is:
Left: Look at these perverted situations with these girls.
Right: Look, I use popular crap, give me your money.
What angers me about the right is not the fetishistic aesthetic, but the transparency of the intentions.
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Frankly, it's more accurate to say that in Japan in general, or among competent artists, they can turn porn into something memorable and not just porn. Look at Mira, for example; her works are what you would expect from standard porn, but there is also genuine romance in those works, and this is supposed to be aimed at men.
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Mira certainly isn't in the 7menzippo "yuri porn only women give a shit about" category and men love her stuff too but she does have a pretty significant amount of female fans (often ones primarily into hetero TL manga or BL), or even mostly female fans in some spaces if you look at Japanese user reviews or Batoto comments (RIP). Lots of "ahhh I wanna be in the protag's place so bad!"
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Anon, I will make it simple for you to understand, you are not comparing female yuri otaku and male yuri otaku, you are comparing two demographics which are largely different in size because the overlap with yuri is largely different between those, you will see right has a lot of popular franchises like Bocchi, Fate, Re Zero, Fire Emblem, Kaguya, mixed in, this is because the male pixiv user will be searching for those franchises and when they show up either in the search tab or discovery tab and yuri artwork will show up in those, you don't need to be a male yuri otaku to like artwork of two girls touching or kissing each other while looking at the direction of the viewer and this type of behavior molds what pixiv understands they should present users.
Some of the accounts you mentioned like Kawauchi also do het hentai for the most generic male audience and their style is exactly the same, same for Itsuki Kuro which isn't present here.
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Okay, I'll admit it was REALLY fucking stupid of me to equate "guy faving random porn of popular anime" with "male yuri otaku" (the women aren't necessarily "yuri otaku" either - a yuri upload will occasionally blow up with the BL, TL, yumejoshi crowd, but those are not actual "yuri otaku" either). I should not have used the term "yuri otaku" at all. So I'll back away from that and instead say: "women on Pixiv who look at lesbian porn have better taste than men on Pixiv who look at lesbian porn". Which I still think I'm completely right about.
>Some of the accounts you mentioned like Kawauchi also do het hentai for the most generic male audience
I don't pay any attention to that and if that's true then I had absolutely no idea, but check out the bookmarks on this https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/78735430 - fujo central. 65,995 bookmarks, pick a random page and it'll be full of them.
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Sure, if you equate it only to porn then maybe you could make this argument, though the comparison provided actually shows what I expect from yuri otaku, focus on yuri in general and artists rather than content, it's even possible the people who liked this R18 content were not even originally searching for porn, it just showed up because they already were following the artist. Right is what I expected from people who are just searching for yuri hentai or yuri hentai shows up on their feed because it cross over with other interests in common like popular franchises.
Kawauchi is a popular doujin artist and most yuri and BL doujin are made and bought by women (women also make most of het doujin too and well women are also most of serialized authors and artists by a considerable margin too), so this isn't surprising since most women into yuri are also fujos, as most women into anime and manga are fujos since this is a common part of the female nerd japanese culture.
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>Production values fag brain is so small he doesn't realize if production values were taken in account no author would have done yuri, including Watanare and Kaguya who are nothing near an actual high value production.
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>the comparison provided actually shows what I expect from yuri otaku, focus on yuri in general and artists rather than content
So "yuri otaku" don't follow specific pairings they like? That's "content".
>it's even possible the people who liked this R18 content were not even originally searching for porn, it just showed up because they already were following the artist
I mean, a lot of the artists are quite NSFW-centric to begin with so.
>Sure, if you equate it only to porn then maybe you could make this argument
I'm not saying "yuri is only porn" I used that example because it was the best comparison off the top of my head (that I hadn't already used) to blatantly illustrate my point that "otaku women in general have higher baseline aesthetic taste" that wasn't fucked up by westerners. I'll try to find other comparisons later.
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No as much as you think, as Mikami Teren recently said, the people who follows pairings and the people who are the core yuri audience are very different, there is obviously some overlaps, but more often than not you will yuri otaku following an artist because they know they are doing mostly yuri or at least a yuri piece they enjoyed.
I'm not sure how true this is because both shonen/seinen and shoujo/josei artstyles will drastically vary between works, including with some overlaps, フレンドガールフレンド is published in a shoujo magazine, could as easily been published on kirara with no changes (aside from format of course since some magazines are 4koma).
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admittedly I pay zero attention to Kirara but hmmm, nope, this looks very much not "moe otaku" to me. look at those hands!
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>as Mikami Teren recently said, the people who follows pairings and the people who are the core yuri audience are very different
do you have a source? sounds interesting even if I probably have a wider definition of what makes a "yuri fan". to me someone who obsesses over non-canon pairings of characters from mainstream Shonen Jump series is just as much of a "yuri fan" as someone who buys yuri-specific series but I can see why someone would get mad at me for saying that, or why one does often not lead to the other at all.
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I see, look at pic related and tell me which one looks more like a kirara manga.
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I don't have it with me, but it's a very recent and very long interview teren did together with his editor, should be easy to find on his twitter where they talk about the state of the industry and how nonexistent yuri LNs were just a few years ago.
You can call both of them yuri fans if you want, as someone who likes yuri is technically a yuri fan, but someone who likes yuri and someone who is a yuri consumer are very different things.
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>I see, look at pic related and tell me which one looks more like a kirara manga.
right, obviously, because the left isn't moe otaku cuteness; it's shoujo cuteness. it's not as simple as "the cutesier it is, the more likely it is to be otaku moe"
>I don't have it with me, but it's a very recent and very long interview teren did together with his editor, should be easy to find on his twitter where they talk about the state of the industry and how nonexistent yuri LNs were just a few years ago.
I have no numbers and I could be wrong but I have a hunch LNs culture in general is way nerdier and more niche than people who buy Citrus.
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because we actually appreciate the art of /u/ri and not read to jerk off ,
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>>Mikami Teren recently said, the people who follows pairings and the people who are the core yuri audience are very different,
Frankly, that makes the difference not so poetic or symbolic; for me, it's separating people who like specific pairings from different types of series from people who are going to spend money on yuri series and feed the authors.
Both are fans of yuri, but only the second one has real value.
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It's the same thing, moe was born in shoujo magazines after all. And yes the LN market is very niche, but it's the core of the industry as many popular works starts as WNs, then LNs, then manga and then anime and yuri went from being close to having no works to getting best sellers in just a few years.
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I mean, moe is "the same thing" as shoujo to the same extent that Tezuka manga looks exactly the same as the American cartoons & comics that inspired it; i.e. "the influence is clearly there, but it quickly defined itself as its own style and there are many immediately-noticeable differences if you go beyond the simplest surface level". Those are totally shoujo faces and shoujo hands.
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No, it's the same Moe, and that's seen in popular Shoujo series among the average Otaku audience, you know, Precure, Aikatsu, and even something like Shugo Chara. It's not based on any particular source or influence; there's no real difference. If a Josei like Honey and Clover wasn't far removed from Moe and fanservice, it's people who like to separate things as if mixing them would cause a chemical reaction or something. Having that doesn't detract from a series' value.
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Nowhere, the fact that said post generalizes without real basis should make it clear, it's funny that "purity" is mentioned when I literally haven't seen anyone defend that, not even on this board and when there are complaints it's not about purity, but about authors/directors who think that having girls having sex with men is something yuri or refutes yuri.
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>>4534516
Trivial differences, like I said there are a myriad of art styles sold over decades on those magazines and you are talking about the size of hands.
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I'm not trying to pull a "shoujo is pure, moe is degenerate"; I actually, legitimately only care about aesthetic differences here. You can obviously tell Precure is a series for kids and Madoka is a series for nerds with character designs by someone who talks about wanting to fuck schoolgirls (mind you the latter is a good thing that I respect).
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They're not trivial to me at all because I care about art styles.
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My point is that there's no reason to differentiate it, or at least not in that way. If we're talking about aesthetics, that depends more than anything on the character designs or the author's drawing style. I mentioned Precure because several series have a completely different style from others, from more stylized in Heartcatch, something more mature in Fresh, blatant fanservice in Hug (this season sucks by the way), to super Moe in Smile, or poorly done in Hetcharge.
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Exceptions can exist. When Ghost Stories was airing, Japanese nerds pointed out that it looked less like a traditional kids' show art style and more like an otaku show. But to make such an observations, you need to first acknowledge general stylistic trends. These trends exist and are defined by both the artistic subcultures of their creators and their target audiences they're aiming for. I always liked to learn about visual trends with yuri too. I remember back in 2006 seeing this Kurogane Ken manga & thinking "this is probably a shoujo/josei thing"; now I think back to it and cringe because it was such a goofy-ass assumption.
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Some anime-onlies will inevitably latch onto Tartar because the author frontloaded the shipbait with him even though it's one-sided. Very early Agott is a cunt, she already starts mellowing out in the material one cour would cover but it takes longer than that for her to fully fix her relationship with Coco and longer still for her crush to be confirmed and for their interactions to be influenced by it. Assuming the anime is successful and continues past the first season, viewers are in for the long haul just like manga readers were.
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>Opium
>Please Leave My House
>No Love Lost Lady
>Murmur
>Falling
>Stop Fighting, Go to Bed
>Meeting My Ex-Girlfriend
>Drunken My Boss
>The Wolf Steals The Sun
>Happiness Rides a Broomstick
>Distorted Love
>How to Survive the Rainy Season
>Sadistic Beauty (GL Side Story)
>The Name of My Feelings
>On a Leash
>Marie and Alex
>Gluttonous Widow
>Love Thy Neighbor
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>Her Tale of Shim Chong
>Pulse
>>The Wind Spell
>>The Star Next Door Who Bewitched Me
enjoy the beauty of KR /u/, anon. the ones with double ">>" dont have explicit smut (yet?, the last 2 are still ongoing), but still great fluff so I just had to include them
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Sex scenes in yuri need to add or reinforce the character/relationship traits in some way
I wanna see the normally cool one being shy or being hesitant
I wanna see the normally shy one be more assertive
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>>4534576
I mean, that's kinda why I like Korean stuff less; likely not intentionally, but most of it does seem like it best appeals to people who think Japanese stuff is "too weird"
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Self-assigned "chuds" these days love to complain about "degeneracy" which tends to make for very boring tastes, so-
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNDkVOlaGBQ [Embed]
https://x.com/yurucamp_anime/status/2027985785690165601?s=20
https://yurucamp.jp/fourth/
https://www.furyu-pictures.jp/
More AyaRin? What happened Nadeshiko?
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>>4535236
There's a reason why this earned the nickname NTRcamp, NadeRin basically became that final fight that has to happen in a series of fights (shonen for the heretics), where the rest are people talking or doing whatever.
But all that is irrelevant, this series is about tourism and Rin's internal monologues that aren't that good.
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>"yuri for women"
>is a sexless boring anti-fun fujo safeslop drama with 90% het characters most lesbian weebs don't care about
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Ask in the Madoka thread and for the love of Ra, stop acting like this is a mandatory countdown and nothing else exists. I like this series but I'm not going to get involved or judge based on incomplete information, much less rate something I haven't even seen like a common MAL user.
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You are mostly noticing trends in magazines/websites rather than trends in demographic interests, for example Friend Girlfriend and Unmei wa Yaku ni Tatanai are both published in Hanayume, this is a shoujo publication mostly on the light side so there is no heavy drama on those works, meanwhile Kadokawa's Comic It will publish Koinega , Tsukitabe, Koi to Yobu ni wa Ao sugiru which all are heavy on the drama albeit different types of drama.
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>>I hate these advertisements.
This is what galge, eroge, and those series that pretend the male MC doesn't exist have been doing for years. I remember one website categorizing this as "romantic subtext," but the trailer clearly shows the guy, who is super promising, and makes it clear that this will be super generic, and that the female flirting with the teacher is worth little to nothing.
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This is why you inform yourself. The product het shows sells is the female cast. Thus the guy is irrelevant: Is it any surprising the evolution was gacha games like BA where the MC starts with literally no design until the first person thing doesn't work in adaptations like Manga and anime?. This leads to lots of baiting promo images using yuri as a fetish. It's safe that if you haven't heard people mention the source here: it's a red flag and to search synopsis or casts lists for males.
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I prefer when they look at each other but /u/ posters making a big deal about that and assuming "they must be looking at a MAN" is really deranged and lame especially since plenty of legit yuri that's not going for "threesome with a man"-appeal at all has em looking at the camera
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