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#1995 - Chief Smash edition
Halo News:
>"Campaign Evolved" Targeting Summer Release
https://gamingbolt.com/halo-campaign-evolved-is-targeting-a-summer-rel ease-rumor
>Canon Fodder (1/30)
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/canon-fodder-parasites-cake
>25th Anniversary Log-In Unlock
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/25th-anniversary-log-in-unlock
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In 5 threads your fate will be sealed, /hg/
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The Endless has arrived
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Microsoft literally just needs to make me in charge of Halo.
I should have say over what weapons, maps, abilities, deployables, cosmetics, story elements, and characters are in the game.
I don't want to toot my own horn but I'm about as big of a Halo superfan as you can get, not just because I love Halo and grew up with it, but because I actually UNDERSTAND it.
My Halo would be the ideal next step for the franchise, and anyone who has a problem with it or doesn't like it is just too retarded and shouldn't have a seat at the table of discussion on what Halo is and isn't in the first place.
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IIs sparring must be interesting to watch
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>>558563228
I don't even think it's that nefarious.
The problem is more that from the get go, game development is mandated to prioritize certain cornerstones to ensure it meets the publisher's blueprint for being lucrative enough. Game Pass especially compounds this. Game's need to balance out the risk/reward of essentially not having to be paid for. This is why on day 1, even after a year-long delay, Infinite had barely any playlists or Game modes, but had a fully functioning storefront and a plethora of skins you could equip and customize.
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>here's your keyes and cortana bro
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>Good to see you, Mogster Chief.
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Why do they keep doing this?
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it's not gay if they're a girl
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>>558536958
My first time posting here even though I've been on 4chan for a decade (the time flies!). Never knew there was a Halo general.
Halo and it's lore was easily the most formative fiction media in my life. I loved it. I've never been religious, but the rich religious connotations in Halo gave me what felt like a religious experience.
Looking back, having it murdered right in front of me with Halo 4 was a personal trauma which gave me a seething personal hatred toward SJWs and started a political spiral which lead me to /pol/.
RIP Halo.
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Does mocap really mean you can't do the old face? Doesn't seem like an excuse at all.
Anders looked like a normal hapa girl, then in the sequel they changed her ethnicity and gave her 12 cubic feet of chin. Was that mocap too?
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Turns out they weren't silly shrimp
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That's bait, fucka
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I was watching S0ur's Halo 5 video because I enjoy getting new perspectives on games I know, and after beating the last Warden fight, he wondered if there was going to be a boss fight with Cortana in a life-sized physical form.
I can't stop snickering at the idea of the final fight having Cortana being like "Look John, I'm physical now" and then this seven foot tall beast of a man stomping around in literal tons of armor just K.O.'s her
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and now young /hg/... you will perish
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We, yes, WE will be playing Marathon tomorrow!
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Nope
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>>558642565
LET 'ER RIP
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gluetana
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Decided to play halo infinite again now that it’s officially dead and buried. Last time I played was season 2. Had some fun but man the game feels so depressing. No one talks. No one types. Can’t say anything to the enemy team. No post game scoreboard to linger on and talk with the enemy team. I’ve never felt so depressed playing a game before. It just makes me think about what could have been.
Also fuck me this game has the worst weapon balance I’ve ever seen in halo. Outside the mangler there’s no reason to touch covie weapons. It honestly feels like I’m using the AR, BR, Pistol, Shotgun, Rockets, Sniper, Mangler, and nothing else. The equipment too is all junk outside of the thruster and grapple.
Why even add new weapons if they all suck? What is the point of that ugly ass carbine?
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>Rand Al Thor 19's response to Xbox being Xbox
Hey gang,
Just wanna thank everyone all together for your support, kind notes, and shares over the last couple of weeks (and always). I'll be honest and transparent, since our lay offs in January, I've been feeling lower than I have been in years probably. I'm not good at hiding that kinda stuff, as you all likely know (lol). I really let shit get to me -- I've been the same since I was like 4 years old per school reports (also lol). The people laid off were people I personally hired. The cuts came out of the blue from higher up, and they were brutal, unfair, and cold. They ignored the years and years of hard work they'd all put in to the site and its growth.
I spent the last couple of months knee deep in thoughts of just giving up, but I owe ye all so much, and my family, and my current and former team mates for the incredible support I receive.
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The only weapons halo needs. Anymore is simply too much:
AR
Plasma rifle
Needler
Shotgun
Energy sword
Gravity hammer
BR
Pistol as a gimped BR
Sniper
Plasma pistol with EMP capabilities
Focus rifle (yes you read that correctly)
Rocket launcher with no heat seeking
Brute shot
Fuel rod
Frag grenade
Plasma grenade
Shock grenade
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>>558653019
Claiming pre-rendered faces changing between games is acceptable and totally different to changing a character’s face because of mocap is cope. The end result is the same. A character was redesigned and looks different between two games. That’s all that matters. Either you’re ok with characters changing appearances or you’re not.
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>>558654059
puzzling. why do pedos hate the people who deport child traffickers? yeeze loves ODST btw.
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>>558653536
Beam rifle is literally just the sniper reminded
Carbine is literally just the BR skinned
When the weapons have been reworked to function differently (see the beam rifle changing to the focus rifle in reach), people shit on them and don’t use them.
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>>558654059
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_72818ebd-5268-4635-9f60-4d3af8d d6a63
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>>558630012
>implying SJWism even makes the list of the top 10 things wrong with 343 halo development
It is easily one of the top 3. Were you even a Halo fan?
Bungie was politically mixed, and had ACTUAL diversity. When Halo 4 came out, it was common knowledge that 343 were extremely woke internally, and beyond rank incompetence I would say their wokeness is 2nd place for why they completely failed.
343 has always failed to capture the aesthetic of anything in Halo and has turned Master Chief from a subtly complex and internally tragic Jeus allegory of a charscter into a whiny simp loser who is more emotionally incontinent than the average divorced 50 year old his age. And by the way this thing with master chief was politically motivated, because it has been a trend to deconstruct positive male role models to defeat toxic masculinity.
Likewise they turned the universe from a rich pseudo religious gnostic story about humans being pushed to extinction and discovering our own divinity, to... whatever it is now. Mostly mindless space opera with comic book cackling villains and cringe personal soap opera drama.
343 has always refused to bring on people who are not politically woke. They only hired Staten (then fired him) because he's the most left wing of the original bungie.
I don't even give a shit about politics these days but it's just clear that the myopic political culture at 343 from the start had a strong influence over their direction of Halo.
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>>558658162
>diversity
>woke
>charscter (phonetard confirmed)
>politically motivated
>deconstruct positive male role models
>toxic masculinity
>left wing
>I don't even give a shit about politics
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>>558658612
You are just taking factors from within 'rank incompetence' and stretching them out to prove a point. Everything you mentioned is covered by that one point.
As far as I remember they didn't do much contracting with Halo 4, that started to cut costs when they had already killed and buried Halo.
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>>558658775
Yeah I'm at work buddy. Sorry that I'm not at my computer for you :)
Anyway, I will let myself out. Tragic. Halo is so fucking dead that the only people who remain in dead forums like this are actually 343tards larping as OGs. Thanks for letting me know.
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>>558658162
>Bungie was politically mixed, and had ACTUAL diversity.
97 libs, 2 of the gen x "the government is never wrong because they wouldn't be in charge if they were wrong!" types and 1 Bush dickrider (Marty) is politically mixed?
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>As far as I remember they didn't do much contracting with Halo 4
Almost the entire multiplayer map roster was made out of house by Certain Affinity
A large amount of armor customization, especially post launch, was made out of house by Liquid Development
All terminals were made out of house by Sequence Group
All pre-rendered cutscenes were made out of house by Axis Animation
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>>558658162
Holy fucking tourist. When did you get into Halo? 2018? 2020?
>marty being a brainrotted rightoid means bungie was politically mixed
Any true oldhead knows Marty was the "old boomer conservative" of the office. They made fun of that frequently.
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Assault Rifle
SubMachineGun
Magnum
Shotgun
Battle Rifle
Hydra
Grenade Launcher
Rocket Launcher
Sniper Rifle
Railgun
Plasma Pistol
Plasma Rifle
Needler
Needle Rifle
Radioactive Carbine
Brute Shot
Fuel Rod Mortar
Gravity Hammer
Energy Sword
Mangler
Skewer
Focus Rifle
Cinder Shot
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Halo
>Assault Rifle
>SubMachineGun
>Magnum
>Shotgun
>Rocket Launcher
>Sniper Rifle
>Plasma Pistol
>Plasma Rifle
>Needler
>Energy Sword
Not Halo
>Hydra
>Grenade Launcher
>Railgun
>Needle Rifle
>Radioactive Carbine
>Brute Shot
>Fuel Rod Mortar
>Gravity Hammer
>Mangler
>Skewer
>Focus Rifle
>Cinder Shot
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Reminder CE re-remake looks like shit and for the life of them 343 can not figure out how to make mark v look good
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>>558670946
343 have never been able to do a good art style, so it's no surprise. We went from whatever Halo 4 and 5 were to this cartoonish disney style in infinite, which people were psyopped into calling the old style. It feels like they are just trying to make it look 'good' above everything, so style is sacrificed in favour of overly vibrant gaudy detail. In fairness, Halo 3 suffered from this, too. Reach got some well-deserved criticism, but the visual style was the best. Gritty military aesthetic clashing with the aliens.
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I have this idea on how to balance vehicles in halo. Let me know what you think.
1) We segment vehicles. What I mean by that is, we split each of the components that make up a vehicle into different segments and give each segment its own health pool. So for the scorpion tank for example, the front, back, gun, and each tread are segments with their own health pools. All you have to do is deplete the heath of one segment to destroy the vehicle entirely. The idea is you can give different segments different health pools, creating weak and strong spots for the vehicles. It also means that destroying a vehicle now requires a concentrated effort targeting the same spot consistently rather than just blasting any section of it.
2) we give each segment health regeneration in stages. So let’s say the front of my tank has 100hp. If it takes damage down to 82hp and I drive away to safety, after some time that health will return to 100hp. But let’s say it takes damage for to 80hp, well now that is the new max hp for the segment. It only regenerates up to the nearest 20hp. To showcase this the segment should visually change to show a bit of damage.
3) we also add extremely small sections that are super weak spots, so you have something to target if you don’t have rockets on you. Having these also means we can do away with the spartan laser, and heat seeking, and the skewer and other BS instant kill shit that is needed to deal with air vehicles but inadvertently makes dealing with ground vehicles mindless, since now you have shoot planes out of the sky of your aim is good enough.
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>>558672767
I was never bothered by the laser. Numerous things will insta-kill you on-foot so you play more carefully if you know someone who has it is around. You just take that mentality to operating a vehicle, which is already often faster and more lethal than you are on-foot.
>rocket
>sniper
>fuel rod
>tank
Since the first Halo contending with things that could guarantee you take out a vehicle and its crew or get taken out yourself have existed. So a laser that charges first and in the hands of your average player telegraphs itself while doing so never stood out negatively to me.
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>>558697636
If I understood correctly, you’re saying the splaser isn’t that hard to avoid on foot, but my problem is with avoiding it when you’re on a tank or hog. With rockets, at a distance they’re shown and can be avoided, but with the laser, some dude can be hidden miles away and can take out your tank, on their own, in a split second, in complete safety. That’s why I think they dropped the gun in 4, reduced its ammo count on reach, and removed it from infinite. It’s perfectly fine and balanced when hang it against air vehicles but against tanks it just instantly deletes them, making it frustrating to use tanks at all.
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>muh tanks
Nigger, have you used the Scorpions in 3, Reach and 4? They delete everything on sight with their insane firing rate. I would have rather have the Spartan Laser balance these broken vehicles then not have it at all. Or maybe make EMP prevent vehicles from firing or something.
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>reach
The DMR and sniper delete all the vehicles lol
>4
I haven’t played this trash game in years and I ain’t gonna revisit it
>3
You can literally just nick a vehicle with the laser and it will still go down
Only tank that was ever truly overpowered was 2’s, and it’s precisely because the splaser didn’t exist. The gun exists to ruin your fun. There has to be ways to fight back against vehicles but it can’t be mind numbing easy.
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The older I get, the more I hate the motion tracker. Feel like halo 5’s ranked tracker only showing you when you shoot or sprint should be the standard of the game are gonna have sprint. Crouching all the time gets exhausting.
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weapon balance is overrated. as long as the meta is fun, then it is good. H2 has shit balance, but the fun comes from controlling the power weapons and BR combos. I don't give a fuck if the pistol sucks dick. The noob combo is gay though
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>>558705802
Weapon balance literally makes or breaks the game. What’s the point of having all these cool and whacky guns if you can’t use them 99% of the time? Halo 1 and 3 are legitimately un playable once you realise the only weapons you need are the magnum in CE and BR, sniper, rocket, and sword in 2. Real fun sandbox you have there where I only ever use 4 weapons. 3 is the only game to date where most of the weapons see some use, even if a lot of the guns are just copy and pastes of another.
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Benefits of sprint in halo (real):
1. It lets you initiate a slide which is cool and fun
2. It lets you close the distance on a fast moving vehicle so you can initiate a hijack or land a plasma grenade
3. It gives you a tactical retreat option as an alternative to your only option being to turn around and outshooting the guy who’s already landed 2 headshots on your cause he got lucky turning a corner
4. It allows the motion tracker to no be relied on so heavily by making it only show your location if you sprint as opposed to jog
#keepsprintinhalo!
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>>558706746
>Only gun in CE is the magnum
And that's how I know you don't play. CE has the best balance in the series, the sniper and rockets are extremely strong, especially rockets which are key to winning on every map they or on, the shotgun beats the pistol at close range, the AR is like a shitty shotgun but both can be used for quick camo, and even the plasma weapons can be used against overshields, and the PR slows enemies. Definitely better than 3, which is basically 2s balance plus a few extra close range shotty/sword clones
But my point is as long as the meta is fun, then the game is fun. The fun comes from the teamwork, positioning, map knowledge, gun skill, nades. You don't need a million guns to make halo work
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>>558705802
>weapon balance is overrated. as long as the meta is fun, then it is good.
>>558706746
>Weapon balance literally makes or breaks the game.
Both of these statements are technically correct, which is why it's important to find the happy medium.
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I mean obviously if the BR could one shot everyone and shoot throw walls them the game would suck, but then also the meta would suck. My point is as long as the meta is fun, then the game is fun, because the meta is the game
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Ok fags let’s review:
Halo CE
Magnum - busted
Sniper - good
Rockets - good
Shotgun - goodish
AR - useless if I have the magnum
Plasma rifle - useless if I have the magnum
Needler - useless if I have the magnum
Plasma pistol - only good for noob combos
Frag and plasma grenades - both good
So you’re looking at a very limited sandbox of 10 weapons where about 6.5 get some use. One of the better balanced halo games just by virtue of hating a very small weapons sandbox.
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>>558708827
If the pistol is busted then rockets deserve god tier, they are absurd. Also the AR and plasma weapons are not useless, they work in close quarters, and players will drop the pistol for rockets and keep those guns to use quick camo. The needlers are useless though I agree
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>>558709319
lmao it's a common tactic, makes rockets + camo almost a guaranteed 4+ kills. Without quick camo it's much easier to get tagged after shooting the rocket. Unless you only play big team, then that makes more sense to keep a pistol
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>>558701747
Not just on-foot. In the first Halo a person could snipe you out of a tank.
The post I initially replied to mentioned "ground vehicles" rather than just tanks, so I was also thinking about how tanks could have other ground vehicles dead-to-rights.
So with all that insta-kill potential that needed no charge-up the laser never bothered me. I also just play with an awareness of whether I know where a power weapon is and who controls it.
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Halo 2
BR - busted tier
Sniper - busted tier
Rockets - busted tier
Energy sword - buster tier
Shotgun - good
Brute shot - good
Magnum - junk
SMG - junk
Plasma rifle - junk
Needler - junk
Plasma pistol - junk outside the noob combo
Carbine - slightly worse BR
Beam rifle - slightly worse sniper
Fuel rod - doesn’t even exist in multiplayer
Frag and plasma grenades - good
8.5 weapons get some use out of 12 unique weapons with the gap between useful weapons and useless ones being huge.
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>>558709319
https://youtu.be/eaNfzgQe3qg?si=FIRpn1BCfSayQGJC
At the 50 second mark here is the GOAT halo player dropping the pistol and keeping the AR for quick camo
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Halo 3
BR - great
Carbine - great
AR - good
SMG - good
Plasma rifle - good
Spiker - good and slept on
Needler - good
Shotgun - good
Mauler - worse than the shotgun but still good
Energy sword - good
Gravity hammer - good
Sniper - good
Beam rifle - sniper clone so good
Rockets - good
Fuel rod - worse than rockets but still good
Brute shot - good
Splaser - good
Magnum - complete garbage
Plasma pistol - junk outside the noob combo and EMP so it’s good
Frags, plasma, spike grenade - all good
Literally 1 junk weapon even though it has a lot of redundant guns.
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Reach
DMR - busted
Needle rifle - busted
Sniper - busted
Magnum - good
Plasma pistol - noob combo and EMP machine
Focus rifle - slept on but also non existent in MP because everyone would rather have the sniper
AR - good
Repeater - garbage
Plasma rifle - doesn’t exist in MP
Needler - good
Shotgun - good
Gravity hammer - good
Energy sword - good
Rockets - good
Fuel rod - good
Splaser - good
Concussion rifle - busted
Grenade launcher - good
A downgrade from 3. While most of the guns are good, the DMR and sniper absolutely run this game and completely killed vehicle use.
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Ur supposed to duel them and the spiker’s melee makes up for its weak firepower.
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Ok, now the reason for my garbage posts. To prove that halo infinite has dogshit weapon balance.
AR - good
BR - good
Bandit - slightly worse than the BR and just redundant honestly
Bulldog - garbage. Mogged by the heatwave
Cindershot - kinda shit. Need to spam it to get any kills and it’s mostly junk against vehicles. I’d rather just use the rocket.
Commando - garbage
Disruptor - garbage. Only used to EMP vehicles and it’s mogged by the shock grenades and PP.
Dynamo grenade - good
Energy sword - good
Gravity hammer - good
Frag - good
Rockets - good
Heatwave - good
Hydra - garbage
Mangler - good
Avenger - good but pointless when the AR itself is so good
Mutilator - broken piece of shit of a weapon
Needler - good
Plasma grenade - good
Spike grenades - good
Ravager - garbage
Shock rifle - garbage. Worse sniper that’s inky good for EMPing but you can’t capitalise on it since you’re at sniper distance.
Sidekick - good
Skewer - broken piece of shit of a weapon that ruins vehicle combat
Stalker - busted tier and has no place in the sandbox when the BR is a more balanced version of it
The game’s balance is all over the place. You have so much stuff that’s completely garbage, stuff that’s mid, and stuff that’s gamebreakingly busted.
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>>558713889
Sticky detonator was an interesting addition in Halo 4. One of the few things they did which I liked. I understand the argument from people that each weapon should fill a unique role, and there shouldn't be redundancy, yadda yadda, but it would be nice if we had more guns. Sticky detonator and Halo Reach grenade launcher could easily work well in the same game.
Personally I wish there was an extended mag version of the assault rifle. Having the original 60 round mag would make it viable in pvp instantly.
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Buy Halo 4, you cheap fucks.
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I think it would have worked better as an AR variant. They could have had both the Reach and Halo 1 style AR in the same game, the Halo 1 version filling the SAW role.
A big reason Halo 4 instantly died was it had jarring and needless design changes across the board, so keeping the guns more familiar like that would have helped. For the short time I played Halo 4 at release I actually enjoyed the changes they made to multilayer, it was just the thousands of other things that were terrible.
Outside of gameplay, I always thought the original vision of the assault rifle in Halo 1 (which bungie seemed to have lost in Halo 2 onwards) was super cool. It was a universal gun which filled the role of infantry firearm and support machine gun at the same time. Something real militaries would want to do if the technology was there. Introducing a whole new gun as the light mg makes the older games feel stupid for not having one.
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>>558717321
You're right they were never good. Halo 4 was the first to actuslly make the AR viable, which I appreciated. Seems like they regressed again in infinite though from the little I played.
What I meant was, Halo 1 had a good AR but with a broken bullet spread double what it should have been, then Halo 3 fixed that but still made the AR useless because they didnt want to have 2 60 round guns.
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>>558719523
At close range the AR should nearly always win. Exceptions being if the player already lost health from an other engagement or if the BR user manage to weaken the AR user with a melee or grenade beforehand.
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It is usable with BR starts, in fact it makes close quarters much more boring than H2. Halo should always be balanced around the precision weapons
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>just AR them and melee them
Nah I’m sorry but I’m never doing this again. Every time I do this in infinite the fucker who I melees somehow melees me long after they should have already died. It’s fucking bullshit and completely dishonest. I’m better off walking backwards and just unloading my entire AR mag into them.
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>>558726821
Yes I remember. I still think the game was much better before 343’s title update. Killing sword blocking was gay and removing bloom from the DMR was completely fucking retarded considering it had over 3 times the range of the BR from 2 and 3, and could decimate every vehicle on its own.
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It's really funny to me that the AR+melee combo was so reliable in Halo 3 that, instead of reverting melees to how they were in Halo 2, or nerfing melee itself, they just reworked how shields worked completely. What a retarded decision.
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No. But I’ll probably listen to the soundtrack if there is a throwback song of https://youtu.be/WlRM9-Rm34Q?si=6pQ0rCG2N0dfn8SG
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>>558726821
Bungie made good games but man was the balance awful. There is not a single bungie halo title which wasn't dominated by one gun. (I mean starter weapon, power weapons like sniper don't count). Kind of a shame that almost every weapon was completely useless in multiplayer.
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He’s talking about the non starter power weapons. Your plasma rifle, spiker, needler, commando, etc…
These guns should be better than your starting weapons so you have a reason to use them but they’re often not.
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Most have niches and worth picking up. They aren't supposed to be strictly better or else map design would become nightmare. Everything is supposed to be centered around the power weapons (and power positions and power ups) to create good map flow that rewards map control without it snowballing too hard. The gun you start with is supposed to be able to be good at almost any range so that this snowball effect is harder to happen. AR slayer, when played by sweats, is much more easy to snowball because the starter weapon is too weak
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I FUCKING HATE HERO SHOOTERS GODFUCKINGDAMNIT. I've been playing Marvel Rivals and Overwatch for the last year and I hate that shit so much, holy fuck. Nobody can Ult track, you can only do damage from time to time, the rest of the match is waiting, it's so boring and dumb. You can be the better shot but they got healed and the worse player suddenly wins. No skill, just bullshit. What kind of shooter allows someone to survive getting outplayed? It's so shit. The only reason I have to suffer these dogshit trash games is because 343 were so fucking retarded they fucked up the easiest win in history of Halo. THEY HAD IT. INFINITE WAS GOODenoughbut no, LOL Industries fucked it and now I have to play these dogshit games because the one game that could've saved the industry died due to pure retardation. I hate 343 so fucking much bros
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>easiest win in history of Halo
Nah. Trying to first-time some open-world experience, chasing yet another huge resource-sink for launch (like SpOps and Warzone were) resulted in needless difficulty. Campaign looking and sounding fairly identical to pre-343 Halo was a great step, but you need to launch with environment variety. They know people expect stuff like Forge, Theater, Firefight and various other modes to be there, working well at launch.
3rd time in a row they opted to waste time on something that shouldn't have been a priority, instead of what's launching with what is tried and true. That content is also your safety net so that you can take risks with big new features (after launch) in case they aren't good enough to carry the game on their own. Pierre is setup to look good by just doing what is expected and sensible, because 343-era failed to do so multiple times.
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>20 million players used to play here, now it's a ghost town
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>>558732124
12v12 has yet to work well
You can stretch out the map as much as you want, the problem is people are inevitably going to coalesce around certain points and when that becomes more of a clusterfuck than a battle, the game can feel like a crapshoot.
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Grapple in isolation was decent, but imo it was ruined by the way it was integrated. When you stop grappling you lose momentum instantly which kills most of the potential fun. Same with vehicles like the warthog, they have absolutely no momentum. Gta5 had the same problem with its physics, for some reason they needed the amazing gta4 physics to hell, so someone somewhere must think doing these things is a good gameplay decision.
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>>558775910
I really hate Infinite's gunplay. Aside from a couple of weapons, everything has an unnecessary amount of bloom and recoil. You're fighting your own gun more than you are other players. It feels nothing like Halo.
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>>558780325
If it's not your slice of pie that's fine. It's not my favorite Halo either. It doesn't "feel" as much like Halo due to the engine differences (CEmake will have this same problem) but it does "play" more like traditional halo than anything since H3.
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Halo multiplayer is defined by arena-style gameplay, emphasizing equal starts, map control, and the "Golden Triangle" of combat: weapons, grenades, and melee. Unlike modern twitch shooters, traditional Halo relies on a slower, more methodical pace where players spawn with basic weapons and must scavenge better weapons, such as rockets or sniper rifles, directly from the map
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>>558785868
It really doesn't play any more like a Halo game than the other 343 games. There is still a huge emphasis placed on abilities for movement, and all of the guns are designed to delete people in under a second.
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Infinite and all 343slop can go die in a fire, but the idea that Shitfinite at its core plays similar to 4 or 5 is some rediculous bullshit.
The problem with infinite is that it's f2p slop that took forever to be worthwhile, and by then the pop had dried up, not that it doesn't play like Halo.
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>>558786454
I brought this up the other day. Basically people are so nostalgic for old halo that there isn't a single thing a new game could do to make them satisfied. They would be more satisfied with a game made by Marty and Jason that plays like objective piss. The nostalgia is that strong.
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>Especially for 5, there is a huge emphasis placed on sprinting
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>>558787987
100%.
Master Chief ended on the forward unto dawn drifting in space and lost forever. He was the only spartan who was actually missing in action, which is a perfect irony.
Bungie knew to move away from Chief after Halo 3. Halo 4 was only made with chief as the protagonist as a cash grab. It butchered his character and that was that. Halo 5 attempted to move away from Chief as main character but we all know how that went, so they went and did the absurd soft reboot in infinite.
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>>558801487
Hey there! I was contracted to work on Halo: The Master Chief Collection back in 2014. Basically my job was to Playlist and analyze the menu for any bugs/glitches.
One thing I noticed is that some of the colors could be better described with different wording. I brought it to the attention of my department head, and we got it changed!
Pretty cool, right?
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I was always baffled by how no prequels have ever been made in the 20-year span of the human covenant war before Reach (not coubting Halo Wars). Everything in the games takes place right at the end of the war, and everything following Halo 3 is always destined to be trash because to up the stakes from the threat of human extinction and elimination of all life in the galaxy you have to introduce terribly written nonsense.
Halo is in the state it's in because they attempted to cash grab by going the easy route (milking John halo) and fucked the story so much that they lost the hardcore fans. That's why each game dies off in a month when the casuals quit.
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>>558787987
Master Chief isn’t the problem. Never was. Noble 6 and Rookie did a good job being chief 2.0. But they probably should move on form him since Steve Downie is old and gonna croak soon. Either that or just bite the bullet and hire a new voice for him.
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Might be because everything pre halo CE is just halo reach over and over again until we get to halo CE. They’d need constant ass pulls to introduce anything interesting like how they managed to incorporate the flood into halo wars. I think focusing on sequels was fine, they just did a horrible job with it. Covenant should have been split into different factions with different goals, flood should have returned, prometheans should have been cooler and basically the necrons from 40k, and humanity should have still been on the brink of extinction and therefore motivated to keep the covenant preoccupied with internal conflict. You got at least 3 to 5 stories in there.
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>>558824520
I couldn't even listen to the dialogue in infinite because it's just cringe hearing that guy. He can barely speak now. They wanted to recast the actors for Halo 4 and they really should have recast them for this Halo 1 remake, but oh well, they didn't.
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>>558846596
Bungie gave the covenant slow projectiles, which could be dodged. The needler having homing projectiles broke that and only avoided ruining the games through the fact that needlers weren't so common and weren't powerful in the hands of the enemy. So imagine my shock when an entire faction in Destiny were all given homing projectiles. Bizarre decisions were made.
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true but minotaurs are kino of the highest order
especially the vault of glass variants
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>>558847927
Disingenuous. The flood had human weapons in halo 1 which you could not dodge. And yet the game was still well balanced.
>>558857530
They could've made it better. Spartan laser in multiplayer is a great example of telegraphing instant kill attacks. Halo 4 and 5 did it well enough with the super bright lights.
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>>558847778
Are you seriously saying you can't dodge needles?
You must struggle a lot with games in general.
Needler is a signal for the player to run at a certain speed in a certain direction.
Just like how the carbine is a signal to break line of sight.
Do you just stand out in the open?
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in halo 1 you could see from a very long distance that a flood dude had a rocket launcher because of the distinct white markings on the texture
it was vivid
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Why does it need to be telegraphed? You should live in terror at being clicked on at any time without warning, especially as the checkpoint system holds your hand the entire time. The spartan laser is only telegraphed because it's an anti-vehicle weapon, there's no need for that for the sniper weapons. As for multiplayer, there's plenty of maps where sniping doesn't really work.
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MCC, it's finished. It's a good update but man... the support is so over they just give you access to everything now
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This thing? Almost everything is included but I don't know what isn't. Some skins are bugged for me but that's just bugs. One more, for the road
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>>558865038
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>>558872117
How can they fail if they're simply making a remake of CE, but with new textures so that it doesn't look like every corridor is the same and you don't find yourself going backwards thinking you are moving forwards?
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>>558872969
You're just lying to save face. Not sure what you hope to gain. If you can't figure out how to beam a needler you can't be good at games. Maybe you can stand still and aim alright. But bullet hell elements just aren't for you.
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>>558890687
not him, he's a faggot and a fool
I agree completely. The spiker is the brute plasma rifle and that's okay. The smg is the fun sized assault rifle. The carbine is the ayy lmao pistol. It's all kino. It's all halo.
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>runs back to shillkek marathon the moment he gets a whiff of the “correct opinion” of it changing from flop to slightly skeptical.
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What retcons do we think will be in the story of the Halo 1 remake?
Personally, I want them to switch up the final missions so there is way less repetition and backtracking. Also in the final mission Pillar of Autumn should be destroyed and strung out in a long debris field in a canyon. That would make the final warthog run make more sense and also make it more interesting due to varied indoor and outdoor sections.
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>>558919024
Sad but true kek.
We will see some monumental changes in these unrelated engine cash grab remakes.
I am not going to be surprised if they change up 343 guilty sparks dialogue to remove him directly calling humans forerunner many times. They will probably have to retcon what the grave mind says too. Child of MY enemy, why have you come? I am a monument to all YOUR sins etc.
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There is. There are literally posts in the thread right now complaining about how giving the enemy hitscan snipers broke the balance. Plus it makes for redundant weapons in a game know for having every weapon feel unique. Only babies too attached to nostalgia are afraid of reworking some of the more redundant weapons.
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>>558910797
>longer outdoor sections in all the missions, but I judging by the level design of the fourth mission which we’ve seen, that isn’t happening. Realistically the only level I see being completely overhauled is the library.
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>>558921348
Initially weak and inaccurate, heavily telegraphing the presence of the shooter, but quickly becoming deadlier and deadlier as the beam focuses. It's not that powerful in the mod and jackals start using the regular sniper as the missions progress, but the idea is there.
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>>558919024
holy shit I never thought of it that way but... yeah you're right lol
Can't wait for the inevitable Atriox voice log found on a dead Brute in the Library that was sent there to infiltrate Thel's forces.
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>>558923223
It kind of went over most fan's heads, but this isn't even the first time they've done it.
The visuals for CEA already retconned the OG visuals. Fireteam Raven and other references to CE released after CEA all reference the changed visuals design.
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>>558923313
>noooooo weapons can never be rebalanced!!!! Noooo!!! I’m going insane!!! They need to stay the same in every game!!!!! Nevermind the fact that that literally isn’t the case across the classic trilogy or in any fucking game franchise that has ever existed!!!
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>>558923474
They can't ever decide what to do with Cortana.
She was purple, then blue, then in CEA they retconned her to blue, but then in Infinite they reference her as being purple again.
But now she's blue again.
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>They need to stay the same in every game!!!!! Nevermind the fact that that literally isn’t the case across the classic trilogy
It is for the shotgun for the most part, ironically
>turned to shit in halo 2 and was never good again
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Truth.
I personally want changes to the plots and levels of the originals. They are rough around the edges in ways that could be fixed so easily and enhance them. There are quality issues throughout due to Bungie always being rushed, and the plot of Halo 3 is retarded despite the misisons being fun.
But no, 343 will leave in glaring issues while making retarded changes and retcons to fit their own fanfic lore in there.
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>Big Team Heavies Enjoyers
Based. Welcome, my brothers!
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>>558923223
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>>558975247
>classic
>had sprint
>had ads
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Not sure what exactly, if anything, was at all classic about it. Surely you don't think it's classic just because 343 said it was? That would be retarded.
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Nothing classic about that game buddy.
The gaslighted that it was the 'classic' artstyle was so wild. Halo Infinite just like every 343 game was chasing the trends of the day for a cheap cash grab. Infinite had a Disneified Fortnite underdetailed cartoon artstyle, nothing at all like what the originals were going for.
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Correct.. Even as far back as Reach the devs clearly stated Abilities really fundamentally changed the way the game plays. This will remain true as long as Sprint gives any hope of slipping away a little faster in exchange for being unable to shoot and any jumps require a clamber animation.
Truly "faster Halo" would return to letting players fire while making any jump and moving at any speed in any direction, but using the speed-up would mess with accuracy as a trade-off.
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>>558985447
It's not about figuring things out, retard. It's about speaking plain english. Using words that have meaning rather than being a purposefully vague midwit, expecting people to read your mind. The further you tread down this dark and lonely path, the harder it will be to convince yourself to turn back.
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>>558986464
Why are you so aggressive over this? You've been talking such nonsense in this post and the one before. I don't think I've done anything that would warrant such a disproportionate response. But obviously someone from your past has warped your perceptions.
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>>558987382
What claim, what did you add? Why are you being so bad faith about all this? I've made no assumptions about you but here you are being a complete asshole over nothing. Enjoy your lousy life of bitterness and suspicion.
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>What retcons do we think will be in the story of the Halo 1 remake?
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I don't fully understand how Anomalocaris ended up being the creature that ended up being symbolic of what they could be like, but the meme still amused me a little. I'm probably forgetting some official material that hints at it or something.
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I guess some kind of explanation is in order. That is the Endless, a new ancient evil revealed near the end of the first Halo Infinite single player campaign titled "Become". The Endless is a species of alien imprisoned on the Zeta Halo ring (Installation 07) by the Forerunners. On the ring is a location known as "The Silent Auditorium" in which The Forerunners would pass judgement on The Endless before their imprisonment. The Endless as we know it is similar in appearance to those of the Cambrian Explosion approximately 541 million years ago on our own planet Earth. Pure speculation at this point, but this may be a new hint connecting Humans and Forerunners in the Halo series. Anyway, the only remaining member of The Endless that we know about is The Harbinger, who joins a faction of former Covenant known as The Banished, lead of course by the Brute War Master known as Atriox. She does so with the secret plan to use The Banished and their hold on the Zeta Halo ring to free her people from their ancient imprisonment and unleash them upon the unknowing Galaxy. If you want to learn more about The Endless and what happens next in their story, you can find out soon when Halo: The Endless releases on Xbox One, Xbox Series consoles, Steam, and Windows platforms as well as releasing day one on Xbox Game Pass and Xbox Game Pass PC. If you wanna talk about this more you can add me at GT: YeezeID, I'll send you an invite to my private discord server where we can continue this discussion. Y'know, just us. Haha if that's alright of course...
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>>558993268
It is. On one hand I wish some of the OGs still there didn't have to experience the company's reputation being tarnished, but they're old enough to know how to slog through strange mandates and just enjoy life outside of work at the end of the day.
I'm not even sure the number of people left after layoffs could manage to make a AAA campaign and maybe that's why they're throwing a dart at all with a development model that starts small and can be scaled up. Live or die it'll be interesting to see unfold.
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I? I am a monument...to all your shits
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>>558994781
Ancient evil
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>>558997046
Just finished wiping my ass with spartan griffin's bloody face
How's your day going?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suwfJMiXauU
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>>558996141
>On one hand I wish some of the OGs still there didn't have to experience the company's reputation being tarnished
I'm not. Jason Jones is a fuckhead and this shit is his ideal game.
Views single player campaigns as old dinosaur shit, the future is evolving world live service player driven crap. God I wish I saved the source of this.
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>>558994781
When the dataminers leaked some of the script in the first technical test, the endless were mentioned. Since we had NOTHING to go on, we had no choice but to speculate.
The first thread to feature these leaks was 1142 - Infinite is being played edition
>https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/345512705/
Following threads featured random images of animal life with the comment
>the ENDLESS
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>>559004218
oh no…oh no no no no
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>>559012160
It must feel weird to work on a vision that for one reason or another you can see is shaky on its feet, but I guess you get used to it and just go back to being glad you get to work on games for a living.
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>>558994781
It's a reheated /snk/ meme, the manga ended shortly before the leaks.
Banishedposting was also stolen from /dbs/, they're the same jokes but with Atriox instead of Jiren. /hg/ was never original or organic.
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>>559025892
I was a Reachhead. Didn't like the SAW, didn't like Lasky. The SAW was goofy and out of place. Lasky was a nepo baby 1 dimensional 'chill' guy. Del Rio would have been an interesting character if he wasn't just a cartoonish antagonist. My headcanon was that Del Rio had brain cancer or something.
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>>559041553
fixed
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confess /hg/
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>>559042397
I hated Halo 4, but at age 12 I was stroking my meat to that one rule 34 pic where she's being fucked in the ass by an elite. Never liked what they did to Cortana in Halo 4, she ate nothing but fast food for those 4 years
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>>559044597
>at age 12 I was stroking my meat
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>>559044720
People are usually having sex by age 14 so I don't see what's the big deal (females past that age are usually not virgins btw, fyi). I dated a girl at that age and would teach he about Halo between buttfun sessions. Good times.
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>>559045849
>sex by age 14
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/hg/ Persona Game in development
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>>558548316
Must have been an incredibly funny sight to ONI commanders watching Warzone footage how Blue Team and 8 other IVs were styling on S-IV only teams of twelve.
Does make me wonder if they ever put the IVs to the test by having Blue Team or a mismatch of 4 IIs and 8 S-IIIs fighting a full veteran IVs lineup. Just to see.
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Halo has been played.
/hg/ has been saved.
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YOU WAZ FORERUNNERZ N SHIET
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>>559021146
doesn't have to be original but it certainly was organic. that's like saying halo is unoriginal because it copied other sci-fi ideas, scenes, characters, designs etc. it became greater than the sum of its parts. banishedposting was pretty shit until people, mainly baza and tommy iirc, started bringing it up in game nights and spit balling silly stuff.
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>>559045849
you're a rapist, kys
people like you are why morality is dying as a concept and socialism is running rampant
when the coffers run dry, you will beg for scraps and not once wonder what part you played in the disaster
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343 was lowkey cooked
>baited into keeping armor abilities and loadouts by reach
>H3 shut the door any possible interesting continuation of the chief and the covenant
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>>559058705
nah just don't rape kids
make rapists unwelcome around people
don't have sex before marriage and don't marry people who can't reasonably consent to it
it's really simple, we just do what we did before public school became a thing
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bro chill
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>2004 was 44 years ago
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>Forge is down
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>>559060141
>O-OFF MODEL REEEEE
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The Guass Hog is broken and should never be in matchmaking
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The Ghost is broken and should never be in matchmaking
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