>>>558617261
In Nioh games pretty much all the buffs that seem good and strong are actually weak or way too short.
Stuff like Stealth and Ranged Damage Protection are 10/10 on the other hand.

Nioh 3 sucks
Samurai has never been less fun
They ruined odachi

Announcements of Disappointment
>Mysteries of TN's Skills
So the mystery skills that give untouched onmyo? Have different percentages. Onmyo magic is 25% meanwhile summoning seals are 20%. Secondly, Awakening only boosts buff duration by 10% (we'll get to seppuku later).
>Seals
While onmyo magic is boosted by generic damage boosts like Carnage/Amrita Absorption, not the case with seals. Why? No fucking clue, maybe they were just extremely afraid of seals being good considering you get a ton more Onmyo casts + more untouched onmyo when compared to what you get with Seals. And they actually apply elemental effects unlike most seals too.
>Effect Duration
So the bugfix they said about the affix not showing the right number? Yeah they only intended for every single source to give single digit percentages to duration. True Pure Land? 6%. Writing Set? 2%. Hotei? 3%. Fucking why. I can maybe get True Pure Land, the duration is on both forms but honestly it'd be nice if there was some nice splash sets for the other forms to really allow specialization, Ninja has a couple of decent bonuses while Samurai has nothing (and you could've just let things like the sensor bonuses be universal, doesn't even need to be damage bonuses). And even then you didn't have to fucking torpedo the affix to be so mind-boggingly, soul-crushing, scampuss-plush-grabbingly ass. Why not just half, let it where if you go True Pure Land it's 30% to the effects, or stacking it on Hotei for 60% or so. Between this and Ebisu I'm wondering if any grace that isn't just damage boosts were tested at all because this can't matter. Collectively these bonuses would only give you a second on a 10 second buff, was 5 seconds for complete dedication too much?

Also for the anon that wondered about sorting by the hammer icon for gear. You can, go to filter and its on the 1st special effects part of the menu, works when disassembling as well.

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DLC wants and hopes?
I've been hyping myself up over a Russo-Japan War DLC that will never happen. Fighting Roman Isidorovich Kondratenko during the Siege of Port Arthur. Friendly duel with Nogi Maresuke. Russians using enemies ported in from Wo Long because it's happening in Manchuria. Side missions with the spirit of Lafcadio Hearn where you get acces to a skill book that gives you the RoTR barehanded moveset. Reintroduction of bayonets and ox tail blades. It's straight never ever tier because China would throw a fit over having any sort of representation of Japanese occupied China, even when they're not in the story at all and it's just Russia vs. Japan.

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>>558620306
just gimme the bayonet nigga I don't care about anything else

>>558620306
>DLC wants and hopes?
A dojo-like function like in RotR. The ability to refight bosses from various time periods/missions without having to run all the way through a level to do it.

>>558620306
Kanabo's finally becoming a weapon type, revolvers being used for something since we go to bakamatsu and they've already made rise of the ronin.

>>558620306
i want them to go all out and make a ww2 dlc with american yokai landing at iwo jima and then you purify a spirit stone corrupted macarthur that leads into a happy ending and completely glosses over anything else that may have happened in ww2

>>558622242
Why would a Japanese made WWII Nioh have Americans as the protagonists

>>558618191
So play Nioh 2 instead of whining

>>558622497
you play as the japs who did nothing wrong tho

>>558622596
But again, why would it be framed around the Americans? You guys submitted into the war at literally the last minute, fucked up everywhere and then acted like you'd singlehandedly fought and won the entire thing with no help from anyone else.

>>558622860
because it would be funny

>>558620306
I want more activity in the Eternal Rift, maybe have Himiko and your summonable yokai hang around in it

>>558623235
would be cool if the rift acted like a lobby for online play with people being able to post battle scrolls and maybe add some customizable stuff as well

>>558620306
I'll admit to modern Japanese history being a blind spot to me so my view is more mechanical desires.
>Return of the Abyss
I think having something like Wo Long's Journey or just porting the abyss from Nioh 2 (preferably this would be the free update content side of things to complement the expansion-sized DLCs) would be really nice. I think it'd be nice to have tightly designed encounters again almost like some of what the final story mission has to throw but with returning faces from Nioh 1/2. New weapons should be a given considering past Nioh DLCs and the time between them being long (dlc 1 is coming September and DLC2 is next Feburary), I'm thinking they're making them in the vein of Shadow of the Erdtree in terms of scope.

>Damage (Equipment Weight) Title Bonus
Don't sleep on this for it's a universal multiplier, boosts not just weapon damage but things like Ninjitsu and Onmyo magic. Obviously can't boost Seals damage because fuck you. For Ninja it's about 2.5% extra damage if wearing 15.2 units of armor (Kusarigama master + black fox helm), recall Samurai maxing out at about 3% if in very heavy armor.
>All Ablaze
It's just a 10% damage boost, solid if you want to preserve onmyo slots but Carnage is a lot more damage (48.5% more damage).
>Oda's clan bonus
Nobunaga are you having a fucking giggle mate? Is this how you get your sick kicks in the afterlife? 1% MORE CONFUSION?

>Clan Questions
Got Elder in Kazizaki and eying a few clans. Sadly no one in the internet has Elder Numbers.
>Shinsengumi
I remember one anon mention this is only a 10% DMG boost now, was that at Elder or a lower rank?
>Toyotomi
How much life per amrita at the end? So far impressed with Ho and wondering if that can be my form of healing for my tank build (or at least, better paired with lifesteal on my weapons).
>Kato
How much did they have before compared to current? I know the soul cores got 30% less for their affixes (8.5 -> 5.5% per).
>Miyoshi
How much ki recovery speed do they max out with?

I am dumb, does the sengoku part take place in kyoto or not?

>>558626269
Kyo To
To Kyo
Bravo you slant-eyed fucks

>>558626269
Hamamatsu is a distant smaller city today

>>558626976
Ok, I was wondering because it would make all 3 big periods take place in kyoto but it didn't seem like it was.

Does anyone have advice for doing air combos/juggles? Sometimes after I launch an enemy with odachi I have enough time to swap to ninja and hit the enemy with the stitch kunai before they hit the ground and other times I don't.

>>558621607
>Kanabo's finally becoming a weapon type
you have 5 seconds to make it different from hammers, especially with shuten's kanabo being in 2.

>>558627518
Horizontal settings instead of vertical slams

>>558627645
we actually have some one here who just presses one button.

>>558627379
stick to dmc lil bro

>>558627740
Well with axes you don't really need more than High Stance MadSpinner and Ki Pulse attack

Why are there two tiger spirits

what if TN did an aztec nioh game

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I wonder if we'll be able to get Magoichi's Yatagarasu spirit in the DLC just to have edgelord wing attacks

>>558629718
Too similar to Ho

>>558629459
lmao 2kat

>>558629824
Oi, don't call HImiko that!

>>558625374
>>558618381
carnage boosts onmyo? ninjitsu too?
last stand as well?
which talismans do you run?

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It's over...

>>558631110
nioh sisters...

>>558631110
how far off from steam chart spam are we

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i dont know if i want to do this one...

desu I sure hope KT wasn't expecting anything like elden ring numbers just because they went ""open world""

>>558630616
>Talismans
So all of the one-sword damage boost effects (Carnage/Power/Amrita absorb) do boost ninjitsu/Onmyo. Last Stand doesn't stack with Carnage for onmyo damage but does for melee-centered builds, just note you don't proc critical effects.
>Ninjitsu did you know
Remember to if you can aim for the back on enemies, despite them being pure elemental damage they can get the backstab ninja gets innately (and boosted with certain sets/clan bonuses).
>Spells
Triple Hell (elec/wind/fire) to be lazy. Spark is your big nuke laser, fire/wind are AOE centered. If more extended routes than Explosive Shot/Thunderstorm/etc. are good too add onto this. All of this damage boosting doesn't affect seals so they're in shit creak as KI DMG at best.

>>558631370
>Spoiler
You just fight the three demons from kunimatsu's mind, there's no 4th gotcha boss like with Takeda.

Final little note for any yasakani farmers, revenants can drop Yasakani/divine accessories so wherever you're crucible farming, they're good to pick up especially with the generous glory you're getting.

I just alt + F4'd after the new input bug got me killed again

>>558632129
thx, good info

>>558628071
Answer the question

can you farm consumable elemental weapon talismans or am i better off sacrificing an onmyo slot?

>>558632884
Sacrifice the slot
I haven't run an expedition on the patch just yet but the amount of glory pre patch even if it was multiplied by 3 isn't enough to sustain regular use of the mats you'll use crafting them

And I'm fairly certain none of the sudama have them in unlimited stock.

>>558632129
>>558632428
>Addendum
Onmyo damage is still boosted by Talisman of the Fist if you are "equipped" with your bare arms, other forms of bare-fist damage boosting should also work for onmyo but this is very likely to get patched unless the code is THAT spaghetti.

>>558632884
I'd say sacrifice the slot compared to the consumables but note if you're playing Ninja, there's a skill (Shadowclad) and a spirit (Tengen Kujuku) you could use to explore elemental weapons without needing to do either. Former is very short duration but flexible with guardian spirit/shadow art while the later lasts a while but you're stuck with no good guardian skill to burst counter with.

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>axebastard
>uses sword
you dont deserve a summon

>>558629718
nice wings https://files.catbox.moe/xygt49.jpg

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>>558634201
Shame that William got left out

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>>558635284
>Itsumde
This bastard is a boss pretending to be a stock enemy.

Can someone explain what concealment talisman does? Is it just a worse feather talisman?

>>558625374
>Damage (Equipment Weight) Title Bonus
So you get more damage from more weight?

>>558635946
>More damage from more weight
Yes, my original testing was with Tatenashi and I think the two combined barely gave 5% but on its own was 3%. Will note that Kusa is the heaviest ninja armor aside from maybe the Sohaya set, shit's practically heavy armor.

>>558635852
where is she

>>558635852
Yeah and when he starts his attack combos it's baffling how long it takes him to finish. Just very boring and annoying in a small arena. Some of the attacks are easy to evade/jump but the penalty for getting hit is being insta-killed by the rest of the combo.

>>558633129
Shadowclad is extremely low value in both applying ailment, triggering spirit force (element) passive, and doing actual damage.

I'm pretty sure it's primarily there to make one of the masteries easier to trigger.

>>558637506
Elemental weapons from my experience generally suck ass in all of those things (the 29% from skill and weapon being the way it works for Tengen Kujuku), Shadowclad is mostly there to make sure you have something on to help keep the element on after your calamity got the proc, especially if using Inari as it's an aggressive way of doing it (already want to do ninjitsu for ki-regen reasons).

ok boys, 20 days since the game was launched and I have 130 hours in it including the demo... but today I don't feel like launching it. What is there left to do?

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>>558637850
In my own opinion, the elemental buffs are actually pretty great this time unless the boss resists the element
Usually at this stage of the game if you hit with something like a 1kat strong heavy the elemental damage wouldn't amount to shit. Here it's a pretty sizable chaser. Inari a whole other beast though since it doesn't give a shit what strength that elemental buff is, just that you have one.

>>558638303
Eh. It's not like you've gotta play it everyday
When I play I'm just redoing missions, running solo expeditions, smashing crucibles, and the other typical base game nioh shit. If that's not enough then just put the game down until the DLC comes out.

whats ur guys' achievement percent in 3? I had like 85 just from beating the game, feel like they were even easier to get than 1 and 2

>>558638673
100%
Only really tried for 1 since I had everything but 1 and I thought " I might as well"
And they are easier than 1 and 2 because hotsprings et all are shown on the map or after you redo a crucible while also not having the trash grinding ones
>Get all the mystic arts (go grind proficiency)
>Have enough Oboroguruma's show you their ass a dozen times
>Bathe in every bath in every stage and every DLC
>Redo the Nightmare bringer rematch 3 signs, summoning a different NPC each time
And other shit I can't remember off the top of my hair

>>558638673
I was only missing the hotsprings and shooting the bird back in the Heian era ones when I beat the game.

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>finally full lvl 170
think i'll start a new playthrough and learn a new weapon

I played over 200 hours (didnt 100%) and im now done until dlc or a hefty update
See u then

Im going to play project wingman next and maybe ninja gaiden 4 if it gets a good discount

is that one battle scroll designed to make me hate women

How much longer do you think this general has?

>>558641376
1 week maybe 2 then its dead until the dlc again

>>558641376
not that worried about these generals, the /v/ ones are on life support though

>>558641376
Usually we only ever bring this thing out to talk about the game/compile information and then let die. That's where all the anima/shift research came from when Nioh 2 was new
Don't let the general last longer than it needs to. Once discussion dries up you let this shit die.

new mod https://www.nexusmods.com/nioh3/mods/91

>>558641517
>Once discussion dries up you let this shit die.
or you become like katawa shoujo fans

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>>558620306
More guardians, more guardian skills that are cool and snappy.
Also I think a small overhaul of soul cores is in order, so that they actually feel good to deploy in combos. Some of the lesser ones with more uses suffer from this because it feels awful to get stuck in this damn jogging animation just for flying bolt to gently slap an enemy and go away. Soul cores feel much better to use if you cancel them with a guardian spirit even though the speed ends up the same. They need to do something about the recovery.
Content-wise? Wish we got more antiquity

some times I wonder if we really do miss yokai skills despite only a real handful being used
maybe its why they thought it was okay with guardian spirit skills
maybe we'll get another quick n snappy one when we get a slew of third buttons

The DLC needs all the Ninpo from NG to be in the game.

>>558644452
The only good Yokai skills to me were
>Enki (jump evasion + long range)
>Mizuki (fodder/human clearer + mid range sweep)
>Ippon-Datara (pounding down fodder/human)
>Kasha (did good ki damage)
>Mitsume Yazura (good for building up burn with Kasha)
Then just slotted in a random sixth depending on their stat boosts.

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>>558642852
That's a combination of two things. One of which probably maybe will be fixed. The summon time and the recovery. .

This is also why I think movement during soul cores should have been a skill
You can get the same shitty experience with volitional Onmyo and volitional Guardian spirit
If you move, they take longer than regular use and you lose cancel windows due to said movement.

Right now it's in this fucked up position where it both has a stringent timing to get a fast cancel (especially with the more the merrier).
Much like hatchets not scaling properly with elements (and I won't forgive the anon that tried to gaslight me saying that shit was fine and working as intended in Nioh 2 among other things that turned to be bugged afterall, No I won't let that shit go), I've sent bug reports in Japanese to the usual channels for the movement shit.

I'm not too irate about it not being cancellable with a normal attack and necessitating spirit force usage
But, movement cucking the cancel points shouldn't be a thing.
The other issue is that if you cancel it too fast when you DO stand still you can sometimes negate the use of the box. This feels like shit. If you press that button that soul core should always be on queue to come out no matter what happens. I don't give a fig if that fucks with crouch cancelling.

>>558641604
Or FFXIV.

>>558645397
>I've sent bug reports in Japanese
Actual Japanese, or Google translated drivel that will be ignored?

>>558645580
Actual Japanese, no I'm not fluent, I have a native I know from playing shitty gundam games do the writing for me.

>>558642852
Seals don't feel satisfying to use because it's directly taken from SoP's summoning bells, which weren't a central feature of that game. It was a small gimmick they added to summon Gilgamesh or one of your monster pets, the clunkiness there wasn't as much of a big deal because you could get past all of the quirks in that game by stacking different types of haste and invincibility.

>>558646347
>by stacking different types of haste and invincibility.
Felt more compulsory to defense stack in that game than any other.
It was extremely hard to survive a single hit from anything come final DLC through raw stats alone.

>>558646416
Yeah, it works in that game because the in-depth job system gave you solutions, if you directly port anything from SoP into Nioh it won't translate perfectly.

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>>558645382
I personally used Kiryoki, Yasha, Magatsu, Kamaitachi, Underworld Soldier, White Lion, Fuki, Kinki, Nurikabe, Nue and many more all the way through endgame. Soul cores and similar cancels are not necessary for Nioh combat to be good but it's a waste of a system if they still design one for every single yokai in 3 and make them so clunky to use.
>>558645397
I've also noticed the running locking you into the animation and the early cancel part. The thing is, even if they don't want to alter the general balance of the cores, they could always just introduce more convenience via secret skills so they become an investment. The way things are I actually think being able to cancel the animation with a dodge would be fine. You'd have to be mindful not to dodge too early so that the summon does come out, and getting early recovery means you spend ki on dodge. It's still a tradeoff

>>558646715
Skills are the other part I've got a bone to pick about. But I'm usually wary of stating opinions like that until I've more thoroughly explored mechanics
But the more the merrier costing 4 is a bit of a joke. Due to the window of vulnerability there are almost no situations where you're at an advantage stopping your offense to summon one and, against human bosses, will eat shit for doing so.
Summoning basics being 9 fucking slots is insane given how low impact some soul cores are. Mysteries of summoning being a bit weak is one thing (it makes up for it by having an entire clan dedicated to more untouched) but that shit is 6 slots to and it is NOT equal to Mysteries of Onmyo magic when that's a higher value and results in higher damage.

That said we've been here before. It'll eventually get it's buff, if not in the coming months than when the DLC lands. So I'm not that worried longterm.

>>558647262
The value difference between those two is not comparable. You get more omnyo slots and thus more chances for untouched activations without resting.

>>558647664
We're saying the same thing, anon.
Though I guess I should have used the adjective "slightly makes up for it"
But as I said that shit is NOT equal to Mysteries of Onmyo magic. A lot of the 1 costs makes me think they balanced amounts with summoning basics in mind, because there's no hemisphere where the demon of pride is worth only having 1 stock of. It can barely even apply an element, barely touches max ki, and does very low damage.

>>558647947
Yeah I am agreeing with you, I guess I just sort of summarized it. The actual power aside, I've lost count how many cores made me go "wait, that's it?" Some are also incredibly tricky to use because they have low range, which is terrible in the context of their casting speed

>>558631764
if it had had as much content and enemy variety as ER did at release it would have been more successful but nah they want to dripfeed and sell dlcs

>>558617936
Is shinesengumi completely fucked or is it still good?
Also whats the max spirit force you can get? I did all those crucible spikes and im at 135.5, which seems a little too uneven to be the cap

>>558651904
it's uncapped afaik. after 55 your gain goes down to 0.5, and after that enemy bases and spikes respawn rather frequently after you kill enemies.

>>558644452
Summoning a yokai is infinitely worse than just seamlessly transforming into one

>>558651967
Yeah but it doesnt increase after they respawn, only the first time

>>558649924
Nobody ever bought ER because "Wow, this game has so much CONTEEENT I definitely need to buy it!"

>>558620306
>DLC wants and hopes?
More antiquity. I just have this bad feeling that both Keian and Shimabara will just be red and black, and ruins...

>>558655957
you are very wrong. the market of people who buy 1 game a year is fucking massive and many, many of those people bought ER because it was a good value.

>>558656095
I genuinely feel bad for anyone who think about games like this and I still hope that isn't true.

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>>558656174
the statistics are there for you to look at

>>558657107
Where, because that's hard to believe. If you're so fucking broke why not just pirate? I have literally never seen or hear anyone saying they bought ER because it's a long game.

>>558640706
oh it literally just went on sale. KT is listening

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>start nioh 2
>first boss already harder than 99% of nioh 3

crazy how easy mode the parries and form switch parries make nioh 3
also yokai realm actually completely rapes your stamina bar

Ever since the update I cannot manage my fucking ki at all. I've got 40 Heart and 47 Int and it still feels like it's empty after one attack and takes five minutes to come back. I can't keep up with anyone playing ninja in MP, even if I'm using 2kat, never mind odachi.

>>558659605
it should be an easy boss if youve played nioh 3... lol

>>558660083
are you sure the update changed anything in regards to ki?

someone mentioned something about shadow stitch on ki broken enemies. what is that about?

>>558661247
What's there to ponder? Ki broken cannot dodge or block so you can do a finisher, shadowstitch, then get some free hits in.

>>558661949
oh, so nothing then

>>558660651
I mean I don't know that it did, I just know it fucking feels like it

>>558660353
nioh 3 basically has no stam management
and being able to combo martial arts just lets you shit all over bosses

It's never not useful to take Poison Mist right? It's almost guaranteed to poison in just one use and is adequately stocked by default.

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>he uses anything but the guaranteed confusion combo ninjutsu

>>558664903
yea, it's solid

>>558664843
I wish you lying faggots would just die already

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what did they mean by making odachi an even more grug weaponby nerfing its other options in favor of TWO new moves?

Why isn't there rare effect spawns in NG+? It clearly has to be glitched.

>>558618191
>They ruined odachi
How so?

>>558665532
redux
sweeper
soaring?? something
swirling snow
AND the combos aren't terrible you can ki pulse back your entire bar

not saying it's ideal, but its not that scuffed
HOWEVER
you can not use the combos into low stance martial arts... literally just bugged

Thoughts on Switchglaive in 3?
>>558631370
It was actually not that difficult. Fighting Demon of Pride right when he became available, The Four Heavenly Kings mission and the Kunimatsu Rematch was more challenging for me.

>>558642852
>Wish we got more antiquity
This desune

>>558666235
history autists in KT were already desperate to find ANYTHING they havent touched on and cant find shit...

>>558657402
Circana's Future of Games 2025 Q3
>More than 60% of US game players only buy two games or fewer per year, survey finds; Only 4% buy more than one game a month

Comscore's 2024 State of Gaming
>82% of American video game players made an in-game purchase last year;
>62% of adults over the age of 18 played a video game, with millennials comprising 49%, followed by Gen Z at 13%; 77% play on more than one platform, and over a third regularly use a combination of console, PC, and mobile.

video about general purchasing trends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigPD8BCkho

and these trends are why 4chan, where the real enthusiasts are, are where you have to post if you want a good discussion at all, everyone else is a fucking casual

>>558665163
this game was fun

>>558645382
saoirse with gozuki/mezuki/scampuss
ho-oh with kasha/ippon-datara/yasha

mezuki and saoirse are too good at charging amrita gauge not to use. ho-oh's GS skill is op as fuck with onmyo magic slow perk, kasha does insane damage (especially if you get it to backstab) and gives you healing on YA damage, and ippon-datara i just got an awesome roll with damage to ki-broken enemy on it

is infinite living artifact viable in this

>>558669186
no

>>558669186
no fun allowed in 3

>>558669186
>>558669208
Thank God it's not. That crap was lame in 1.

I want to shoot ferrets out of the sky

>>558665962
Gutted Bolting Boar
Its ki:damage ratio is even worse than it was in 1 and 2
Its ki damage is probably the worst in the game
Its ki costs are the most expensive in the game

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>>558618191
>>558665962
>>558670004
>Gutted Bolting Boar
It will be sorely missed.

How does one git gud with Ninja claws? I can't seem to rack up much pressure or damage, even from behind attacks

>>558669386
yeah it was way too op

>>558670089
lmao I didn't know you could BB like half of them. Coolest BB I ever got was on a Yasha

>>558670089
wasn't this the whole reason to use odachi in the first place

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>>558670265
>lmao I didn't know you could BB like half of them
More like 90% of yokai, even bosses.

>>558665532
Which two new moves? The new light stance combos?

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>>558670341
Bolting Boar doesn't exist in Nioh 1, so no.

>>558670572
god, ippon-datara is so good

>>558670513
Stone Volley has okay utility for its massive range, has a really good chance on popping any yokai weak point lacks damage for the charge time
Undaunted follow up is okay if you actually block something with the new buffed undaunted, damage and ki damage is low despite the simularities to a certain 1kat move
Ground sweeper is your best ki damage and beats a lot of other weapon's options for some reason keeps you comically mobile
Soaring Fowl is what the old pole vault wanted to be, with actual damage and dodge follow up
that one jump hold attack will miss a lot more then normal strong in the air for some reason
the damage is okay for what it is.

>>558670141
not sure what your expectations are... whirling tiger and beyond infinity should be enough
try make use of the dodge attack (with pierce) and glowing ember for a faux ki pulse
id take defensive drop over the kick thing

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>>558670995
Odachi has an abnormally high launcher which lets me do retarded air combos without having to break my fingers using crouch cancel shit. That's enough for me.

I swear I can do something to land another stitch kunai to keep this loop going longer but I can't fucking cancel fast enough into it. I know there's a skill that lets you do damage on mist. I'm hoping that will be the secret I need.

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>>558670089
>>558670572
I knew you could BB regular yoki
I didn't know you could BB just about everything else
too bad I was too switchglaive / fists pilled to use anything else

>>558659605
as wtih nioh 3 they want you to work with less before they start piling shit on you
you get a bunch of ways to purge the yokai realms
>on parry
>on dodge
>on yokai
and then the skill that amps your ki regen when you purge a zone is really good

Also you should be using your onmyo and ninjutsu consumables ASAP so you can learn your first replenishable onmyo and ninjutsu skills
Other than that iirc for mezuki its just position well, ki pulse zones, burst counter

>>558664903
>fucky hit detection
>fucky and sometimes takes 2 casts just because (yes, even with the skill)
>kinda locks your character, sure you can run but you cant block
>takes up an entire jutsu slot
nah im good

>>558659605
the first boss is harder than the rest of the game in both games so this is not the gotcha you think it is

is there a guaranteed yasakani dropped like the final ng+ mission in nioh 2? I don't really wanna farm it

Is the crouch cancel tech only possible with the type E control scheme?
I'm so used to the default controls now that I don't really want to change.

>>558675708
yoshinobu tokugawa in scion of the gods crucible in ng+ drops 1 guaranteed yasakani each for samurai and ninja

>>558676819
First time or repeatable? Can test tonight if needed (going to work soon).

>>558677115
first time

>>558633129
>I'd say sacrifice the slot compared to the consumables but note if you're playing Ninja, there's a skill (Shadowclad) and a spirit (Tengen Kujuku) you could use to explore elemental weapons without needing to do either. Former is very short duration but flexible with guardian spirit/shadow art while the later lasts a while but you're stuck with no good guardian skill to burst counter with.

I run this build. As much elemental damage stacked on, not focused on one single element using the Thunder and Water Hatchets. It is a very effective mixed melee/ninjutsu playstyle. Stack all the elemental damage skill points with that GS and Shadowclad. Not having a solid burst counter GS move is abosolutely a valid point, and does suck.
>Open with GS weapon buff
>Melee to proc status
>Different element Calamity
>Melee to ensure status proc if not done with 1 Calamity
>Different element Calamity
>Melee combos until Confusion 2 wears off
>Repeat
It also helps the elemental Active Skills do fuckloads more damage. My Hatchet Lightning sheathe attack hits for thousands even without Confusion 2, just as an example. It is not as effective as just spamming Calamities and Onmyo. But it is a very fun mixed style that, I feel, allows for use of the entire Ninja kit. I wanted to make as close to a classic "Spellblade" as I could, and that is what I came up with.
I use the Sinister Tyrant set as well. Spirit Force Ignition is constantly applied to all elemental damage, so it buffs the entire kit. It does require as much Spirit Force recharge as you can. Also, I dont recommend using the Fire Calamity because enemies standing in the fire pools drains Spirit Force crazy fast. I stick with the other 3 Calamaties or even Fire Shuriken as their total damage is pretty damn good for how fast they recharge.

If anyone has any tips as to the the best way to keep Spirit Force topped up with specific armor stats, please let me know.

>>558677268
preesh

>2-3 hour coop sessions
>4-5 crucibles cleared
>finished NG+ with/for like 20 people
>like 3 divine accessories a run
the fuck is this drop rate

>>558675802
I think E is just better in general. Never mind the crouch cancel shit. Keep in mind if you do crouch cancel then your dodge also gets fucked up. Since it'll have to make your dodge and sprint button the same and will make your dodge activate on button release rather than button press.

>>558637079
when you get hit your next dodge has reduced distance, need to hold block while dodging to protect yourself from the next follow up and get out of the way.

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>>558641604
>/ksg/
>4,000+ threads
>they've lost count at least twice

>>558645382
>>558646715
>>558668656
nuppeppo as well, healing on amrita passive as well as being a cheap full form shift that comes out quick let you shift through grab attacks and do reasonable ki damage.

>>558666931
anonymity makes it easier to ask questions and less dick measuring when giving responses

>>558693163
that too

>>558693163
>less dick measuring
lol
lmao even

>>558641376
I'm replaying all the games with DLCs and NG+ this time mainly to play nioh while waiting for their balance patch on the 3rd one because I VILL NOT beta test an unfinished game so I'll be here for a while.. so hopefully a while longer

>>558693956
no name attached to your advice is what i meant, not like some streamer or eceleb that wants to have Super Special Best META WAAC Build Ever!!!111!!one! attached to them in their ivory tower.

how do you get access to blacksmith babe's chest upstairs? I realized I never got that in ng

>>558697591
Give poopman enough poop until you can't give any more and he'll give you the key

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>>558697708
oh damn I guess I never found all the poop in ng then

btw is the giant scampuss ninjutsu the last reward from the fat cat or did I also not get all the scampussies

>>558697959
Yep, once you have the great scampuss form you won't get anything else from it.

>>558697959
>>558698398
Actually no, I misremembered. You can also get a scampuss hat.

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The back attack angle on some monsters is just pure nonsense. its more like a spine attack. if you're not exactly perpendicular to their T6 vertebrae enjoy your nodamage as ninja, also fuck you they automatically reset to face you by your 3rd attack in the string even when they're staggered and out of ki. why? go reread the part where we said fuck you gaijin

>>558697591
>access to blacksmith babe's chest
heh

Bros I still havent figured out the Toyo romance stuff
I gave her the swords (dowry) but now she just talks about different weapon types? I know it's some sort of innuendo but I can't seem advance the romance further

Quitting this until the DLCs hit I think. Is Ninja Gaiden 4 fun? I've never played that series before.

>>558704275
It was my goty last year, really fun action game structured like some 2000s era game. The MC is edgekino like Jack from strangers of paradise. Don't engage with NG fans they are the ultimate schizo community.

>>558670089
actually makes me so sad they did this the only time i even really got to use it all game was hard bullying okita with it

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>>558704275
I'm biased as a ninja gaiden fan but I fucking loved it and it is fun.
Maybe not worth the full price considering "people" these days just don't like games that aren't bloated (though it is a lower budget game) and expect every games to play the same as the last. They skip over the tutorials and wonder why it's so hard because there's a lot of depth that's just hidden behind seemingly simple controls, a bit like how it doesn't look like ki pulsing does anything important at first.
The Dlcs are coming out soon maybe there will be a bundled sale, if you're not gonna pirate

>>558703719
She's autistic and swordsexual, anon. You need to do the secret questline where you forge yourself into a tamahagane of exceptional quality for her to make a sword out of.

>get to bakumatsu
>every ledge has a gaki waiting to gank you
finally we get some real nioh gaming

>>558706853
Enemy aggression just isnt high enough

>>558707421
Enemy density, too. Where are my enkis hanging just within doorways waiting to stomp me flat?

>>558707596
The only one of those I can think of is in that area with Hatchet Man's mission in Heian

>>558707834
It's just not Nioh if I'm not getting relentlessly bullied every step of the way, man.

is there a map of bloodedge spawn locations out there? i just cant seem to find any red graves whatsoever in ng+

>>558707936
I havent found one.
>Be the change you wish to see in the world

>>558707936
I still haven't killed a single bloodedge demon. That fucking frontflip catches me off guard and oneshots me every time.

>>558707936
>hes at the first zone i check after giving up on revenant hunting and even drops his mask text this time
ez game
also goddamn he barely does any damage at all if you havent killed a single revenant
>>558708163
i can only even remember 2 spots where ive found him so that map would take a very long time for me to fill out
>>558708193
your 70% damage reduction while attacking bro?

>>558708193
They're deflect bait as long as you stay close, giving them too much range has them do their elemental ranged attacks and the spinning 4 hit attack. Deflect or block their attack then hit them with one or two attacks, getting greedy lets them punish you. When they do the fast 3 hit combo you can deflect the first then just hold down block and block the last two then counter.

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>>558708193
>I still haven't killed a single bloodedge demon
I can never seem to find them. They are safe for now. The two I did happen to find died.

does level syncing improve drops like in 2?

>>558710103
Yes but they're still really stingy about dropping 170

>>558679235
>Spirit force topped off
Two main pieces of advice are Spirit Force (Evade), I've found that on pants or something is really good, and also Titles. Ninja has spirit force for Ninjitsu, I find that with the calamities makes maintaining Tengen a breeze.

I still just can't believe how much fucking ass they made odachi suck in this faggot ass game.
I'm trying to make inari/kintaro/wote work and it's just not fucking happening.
Even this first fucking faggot in the Shinsengumi boss rush is completely impossible.
-48% damage whike attacking? Nah man get two-shot.
+21% martial art damage +21% elemental weapon damage? Thunderbolt barely fucking tickles him, even he even chooses to attack into it. NPCs have always input read so bad it's just a joke.
Only thing I have to even break guard is Ground Sweeper, which I hate.

Meanwhile nin1kat is still justbfucking braindead, even without using the overpowered as fuck Calamatous ninjutsu.

I'm so fucking butthurt, man.

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the DLC is like 6 months away but I still want to have a full build
why does yogisucky magitami have to be this annoying to farm

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>>558714561
>struggling vs human bosses with odachi
wtf are u doing nerd sweep harder.

Ibaraki Doji is hot as fuck and I liked the voice acting. Very cool moves too, I liked the impale move + taunt the does when you run out of ki.
too bad she lasted about 6 minutes, which is well above average but oh well

>melee damage +4%
>martial arts damage +4%
is there a reason to take martial arts over melee?

>>558705842
I really hope we get to fight a raven clan ninja in Nioh 3. I NEED bloodraven moves in nioh

>>558708623
I didnt know he dropped a smithing text. Nice.
His damage scales with your level too, so some of us Demo players who were high level with lvl 20 gear were getting absolutely clapped. I had to get that entire moveset down. His flip slam and grab were guaranteed 1-shot.

Unless maybe if you fought him in the most safe, boring, reactive way possible, Nagakura Shinpachi is unironically impossible to beat with an odachi.

>>558719147
who tf is that?

>>558719147
nah that shit was easy

Wait is this general really called nig lmao

>>558719550
it's not pronounced like the slur
get your mind out of the gutter

>>558719419
Nah he's actually impossible.

>od*chi niggers actually have to try for once
you love to see it

>hit him with Thunderbolt
>it does less damage than the light attack he hit me with to proc it
Odachi is a fucking joke.

this guy needs to git gud

>>558716843
From what I heard, likely need testing (I'm back in the grinding chamber after whiffing a bloodedge demon spawn), melee is more "Quick and Strong" attack damage rather than the universal damage boost it was in Nioh 1/2. Again, I'd suggest testing on Training Ground to confirm if this is the case.

Another thing to consider is the idea of stacking multipliers. To my understanding different damage buffs stack multiplicatively. Inari is so good because it's a 28% DMG boost after all other multipliers are applied, so it's not diminished because of martial arts damage or Equip Weight Bonus or Amrita Gauge bonus or so on.

>>558719379
First of the shinsengumi for the shinsengumi boss rush side quest.

>>558719147
Good news for you I do have two odaichi builds in the back so once I have the money (mainly farming now aside from my last yasakani), I can either join you in lamenting the pool noodle of a weapon or be a bundle of advice on making it shine. And I say this because one, he is light armor mcgee so combos should be possible to play with, and two, I have had experience with Odaichis from Nioh 2 so it's familiar territory (barring they're hated on as much as splitstaves).

>>558721035
>he is light armor mcgee
Well a. no he isn't, and b. he just throws Thunderbolt or Groundslam any time you try to preasure him.

Ironically enough the only shignigumi guy that gave me issues was the odachi fucker

>>558721189
I've mulched that man with ninja 2kat and they don't have good stagger/block pressure (let alone sam 1kat/switchglaives/tonfas/sam 2kat which all have gross mixups you can do against the AI). I can see issues with odaichis being slow but against an odaichi wielder it's likely more positioning to get the good punishes, again, open to them sucking but I also have experience with other weapons some say are mid but are actually good (switchglaives in fact kick ass, being able to use the skills as combo enders is so nice alongside Cylcone wind spam).

>>558721925
There's technically two odaichi lads in the mission, the first two are both odachis (first one is thunderbolt/groundquake lightning and the 2nd one is cuckoo's call fire). Of the non Okita group the 2kat that gave me most trouble, cuckoo's call can punish me when I was being greedy but the 2kat just seemed to have a higher toughness value compared to the others.

>>558721925
all of the shinsengumi guys can instakill you if you fuck up

>>558721925
for me it was kondo i just kept disrespecting him and getting one shot by the 1kat attack where they stab into the ground

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I dunno whats wrong with blud, humans are as easy as always.

>>558722918
That's because you still have the tutorial hints on, ensuring that you don't suddenly forget how to play the game during the fight. You would have died instantly without those on.

>>558722342
>There's technically two odaichi lads in the mission
oh right, I meant the lightning one
instakilled many times by that earthquake move

>>558722918
>ground sweeper > dragon horn x10
>most boring, passive way possible
That's what I said.

you're not allowed to use good moves or else my argument falls apart :(

I personally think sam 2kat is worse than odachi

>>558723613
No, that was literally my argument. He's impossible unless you fight him just like that.

>>558723532
this
you didnt beat the game unless you exclusively used quick attacks and no martial arts

>>558723789
dont forget, no stances either, no magic shit, no weapons either and no skills either.

>>558723987
i honestly wonder if anyone has beat the game barehanded yet

a bare fisted naked playthrough sounds fun and would be very viable

>>558723720
god of wind is still a really good ki deleter and water sword can just go forever if you manage to corner a winded enemy

>>558723720
retard

>>558722918
I'm not upset at the dragon horn loops, I'm upset at your negative sauce associated with it. GS skills combo extend because they start ki-regen.

>>558723720
Then it seems I'm looking forward to something good because testing 2kat on raw Swallowtail gear and it's doing amazing in the game-feel department. My advice if having issues is that Sign of the Cross Pierce is bait, you want it fast. God of the Wind (wind) might also be bait because its accumulation is non-existent but I am using 156+2 weapons so maybe at +15 it's worth being slower? Momentum is great, it lasts a good bit of time and removes the ki-issues that could come up going for extended pressure. And finally, if against a block heavy opponent, don't be afraid to high stand to start the Winter Wind blender.

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>>558721925
I had zero issue with any of the human bosses that didn't have hyper armor but I also played tonfas. Mountain Breaker -> Demon Dash -> Pulverize (loop Demon Dash and Pulverize to ki break) -> light attacks on ki break -> grapple before ki recovers (Kannagi into Demon Fang if you're in the middle of a Pulverize) -> strong attack but maybe you can Mountain Breaker or Focused Strike -> final blow on the ground -> back into Demon Dash and start the Pulverize guard break loop. It's a straight up TOD combo for every single human enemy without hyper armor. For the ones with it you only need to learn one or two instances of Kannagi on their usually pretty slow and/or predictable combo interrupters. Okita Soji will always do his slow overhead hyper armor swing at the same intervals when you're wailing on his guard for example.

>>558723720
I don't use odachi but I use 2kat and can say that it's very strong.

honest thoughts on odachi?

I use 2kat and odachi and I can say that 2kat is not only stronger, but that odachi is the worst weapon in the game.

>>558724728
>>558618191
>>558670004

>>558724728
they made it insanely fun in this game with the additions to samurai being able to combo moves from other stances + they removed the limit on sunset breeze/waking winds combos so you can just chain them forever if you want
it also just got some of the best new moves in 3 compared to the other samurai weapons
it's the best I LOVE THE ODACHI

>>558724728
not as bad as people make it out to be but still definitely the weakest weapon (at least of the ones ive played)
needs a lot of its skill shifted around to different inputs/stances and either a big damage buff or a big ki usage reduction
also bring back bolting boar on yokai

>>558724393
SotC Pierce is good, the minimally charged version has good forward movement on it while normal SotC doesn't have movement when minimally charged. It's still very fast overall, only the max charged version feels a little slower but it has more reach in exchange. GoW Wind is also fine, it's a little slower but it hits a bit harder while having a small AOE with that cool tornado. I actually have both versions of GoW set, Wind in mid stance and normal in low stance.

>>558725080
>Pierce
From my experience I prefer the damage of going full charge especially since I'm using it as a pressure tool so going too far could make me drop things. Can see that I'm losing out on backstab damage but I believe the pressure too good to pass up. Maybe in optimization (my shit is not reforged and have 99 magic for vassal-related reasons) I can get more comfortable for it. Currently testing Water Sword and actually being impressed with it. never my cup of tea in other games but cancelling into any skill really gave life for Samurai.

Should I go for Inari or Vaisravana?

>>558724116
it massively buffs ninja arts and onmyo so you can damn near one shot bosses with the hell spells so i guess it will be done shortly if it hasn't already.

>>558727743
Both are dogshit just like Nioh 3

Nin1kat/Sam2kat or Nin2kat/Sam1kat?
It's a katana themed character, so some combination thereof.
Could even go 2kat/2kat or 1kat/1kat if that's good.

>>558728904
>Sam2kat
might be the worst weapon ever designed

>>558728904
Nin1kat and sam1kat are two of the best weapons in the game. Sam2kat is extremely good and nin2kat seems kind of bad-ish.
I would want to say nin1/sam2 is the stronger combo but sam1 is so good it might be a tie.

>>558728904
>Could even go 2kat/2kat or 1kat/1kat if that's good.
Didn't read this. If you're not opposed to powergaming you literally can't do better than 1kat/1kat.

What's the best way to farm whetstones?

>>558729068
What are you smoking?

>>558729068
he didn't mention odachi though

>>558730526
odachi is good tho

>>558730551
lol
lmao

>>558730727
looks like somebody is having a skill issue, sorry your cheese strat from nioh 2 isnt in the game.

HEY WHAT'S YOUR DEATH COUNT
NOT YOUR KILL COUNT YOUR DEATH COUNT
Asking for a friend

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>>558731108
:(

whats the best way to farm the sands of despair for the enhanced NG+ stuff

>>558730346
Donate all ya shit to the shrine kodamas and pray.

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>unarmed damage boosts don't boost scampuss forms
my plan to indiana jones shit is ruined

>>558731821
short battle scrolls have them guaranteed on mission completion

>>558731821
Huh? What do those things even do?

>>558733143
Resetting open world stuff.

>>558733296
Ah. People grind lesser crucibles for stuff I guess?

>fighting boss, have it at 10% health
>controller suddenly stops responding
>boss 100-0s me while I'm unplugging and replugging controller
>weird, but okay
>go back
>exact same thing happens again
>four fucking times in a row
This is some Psycho Mantis kind of shit.

>>558729353
Ninja 2kat is pretty good.

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>>558731108
easy game

>normal ng+ lesser crucibles don't change shit only the enhanced ones do
what the fuck? the baseline ones should be the enhanced ones then. dumb layer of tedium

The hell is an enhanced crucible?

>>558736008
Has harder waves and typically ends with a boss (though I'd suspect it limits to the smaller ones, Onyroki, Enenra, Kamitachi, Juro-Gumo, etc.). Sometimes spawns naturally when negative ki covers an area.
>Enhanced Bases
Tried it once, unfathomably not worth it (same enemy count, just one guy's a crucible wraith now).

>>558736221
Well so wait how the hell do you get those? Is thatbehat the nightmare sand or whatever is for?
How did I miss this? Seems important for divine farming.

>>558736221
What's weird is the one base in the cliffs seemed to change enemy variety with the enhanced base but every single one I've tried afterwards hasn't had any changes
What's the fucking point, did they just give up? I got my hopes up for nothing. Can anyone confirm if any of the other bases have changed at all with the enhanced version?

>>558734123
i think theres an option to pause the game if that happens

>>558736370
>did they just give up?
Wasn't obvious two zones into Heian?

>>558735626
Now beat him nine more times.

>>558735626
Now beat him with odachi and no ninja fuckery.

>>558723720
reminder that 2kat and caestus have tighter parry frames

I'm going mad trying to get the Usumidori smithing text from Minamoto no Motherfucker

>>558737153
Also less commitment on attacks.

>>558736362
That's what the nightmare sand is for. It's a guaranteed quest reward from side quests meaning you can farm them from fighting Hanzo (Demon's Regiment), if you unlock that quest.

how doable are SL1 runs in the nioh games?

>>558738979
Just say level bro

>>558739025
just answer me sis

>>558739104
Perfectly doable

>>558736221
>Sometimes spawns naturally
they respawn all the fucking time if you kill lots of stuff. kinda annoying...

this game is unplayable in coop
everyone plays like a nigger either one shotting bosses or running ahead to just clear everything out before the host even gets there

>>558740082
I was summoned for the bro bossfight and the second summon showed up, spammed an unholy amount of onmyo and 100-0'd him in like 5 seconds, then left. The host was left standing there looking confused.

>>558740031
I was more mentioning that the enhanced versions are "sometimes". I haven't done proper testing nor really plan too but it's random if you get an enhanced crucible or not, think it glows more red (visible in the sky) if it is boosted but I remember doing one like that and it was unchanged.

i went through the whole game without dodging an attack by jumping I just kept forgetting that was an option in combat, and there are so many obvious "jump over me" moves in hindsight

I went through the entire game in co-op because the bosses are too hard

>>558743070
you are not real

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watch your step bro

Are "Negative Effects" and "status ailments" 2 terms for the same thing due to translation? I'm using Moonprayer set for a while but the wording isn't clear enough

>>558736086
used to actually teleport in the demo =\

>>558743589
Why, is he going to do something inappropriate when I'm getting the laundry out of the washing machine?

You can fuck Ibaraki, but you will also be fucked by Shuten. Do you accept?

>>558745258
That's a win-win in my book

>>558744291
he fell to death with no holes anywhere in sight, its the shrine to the north east in bakamatsu.

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replaying wolong right now

>>558746495
why tho

>>558746495
Better than SoP, and I will die on that hill. The parry mogs Sekiro's.

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>>558746769
bored as hell, might buy rotr on pc and do a new playthrough for that too
>>558747104

>>558747153
>might buy rotr on pc and do a new playthrough for that too
please seek help, self-harm is very dangerous

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>>558747267
it can't be helped.

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>>558747104
>Better than SoP, and I will die on that hill.
Really?

how to get a better version of bandit leaders odachi?

redpill me on SOP
do I need to know anything about FF

You now remember nue the most based boss in nioh

Impurity Transfer Doll onmyo (nuribotoke) is really good. It doesn't transfer the negative status effect until it hits the enemy, but you can get hit with elemental attacks on purpose and immediately transfer them over. Great for bosses.

>>558743432
Post a video of you beating any boss with an odachi and no ninjutsu
And by boss I don't mean some basic human mook like the filler guys in the boss rushes

>>558749008
too busy with ur mom lol

gee ninja 2kat, how come your mom lets you have TWO yokai parries?

so is everyone elses strategy for killing normal yokai to just delete them while theyre busy putting down a yokai realm?

>>558750173
That's not much of a strategy though, it just happens naturally

>>558747482
you get any thing else, and slap on the skin

is there really no option to hide your second weapon like 1 and 2?

>>558754271
gotta save something for dlc