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A general for discussing the Elden Ring series. Elden Ring, its expansion, Shadow of the Erdtree, and the coop spinoff, Elden Ring Nightreign.
>Latest Nightreign patch notes
https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/news/elden-ring-nightreign-pat ch-notes-version-1032
>Small guide for players who are coming back to the game and want to queue DoN, suggestions welcome
https://rentry.org/d5guide
>How to host 6 player lobbies with seamless coop
https://files.catbox.moe/we1zur.png
>Nightlord resistances chart (now includes DLC)
https://files.catbox.moe/4pvan9.jpg
>The main information document for Elden Ring
https://rentry.org/erpasta
>Character Planners
https://eip.gg/elden-ring/build-planner/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Op36P7gdVMkPzFQX6OsjZcfyUjdGO j7Cjk9qFAVj-U/edit
>Interactive Map
https://mapgenie.io/elden-ring/maps/the-lands-between
https://www.nightreignmap.com/en
>Miscellaneous Nightreign Data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1meXOw4jR1hh7YXVMeijWwSDIXnCw6T k4hTZPq2qvyK4
>Group/Multiplayer Password
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1th for year of the fire horse and step sibling incest
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Old news but the new armors look great.
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I started SotFS the other day and it's comfy as fuck, what was everyone's problem with it
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https://www.twitch.tv/boxy421 live erg jobbing, also it's dancing lion rn lmao
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>>558773701
>horrible rewards for exploring (so many cookbooks)
>several large areas are completely empty
>scadutree hunting is bad for replayability
>final boss is a big letdown lorewise
Mainly these.
I liked the legacy dungeons and it has great bosses. The mines and tombs were good ideas.
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They barely got a Elden Ring optimized for the launch and that was on “good” hardware. It wasn’t bad for most. Some middle of the road pcs struggled but thats about it. The switch 2 is basically a ps3/360 in terms of capabilities. Remember ds1’s blighttown and lava dragon ass city on console? Thats Elden Ring as soon as you get to any open areas. Best case scenario is unstable 20fps a la Bloodborne.
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>insanely lucky
>have 3 relics with one line, either magic att +4, sorcery +2 or affinity +2
That's all. I don't understand where you got this misconception that you need insane relics. There is a reason why the best build before balancers, used by all cheaters, was crystal maxxing or stars of ruin spam. It's THAT easy to do damage with sorceries.
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gg sisters
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>>558774541
My bad.
DS2 is good.
SotfS made it slightly worse, but not to the point of ruining it. Still, it's a worse experience that added a lot of unfun things:
- they added a bunch of those stone statues for whatever reason, blocking your progression artifically
- dlc keys are also locked behind blocked parts of the game. Again, the only thing that does is removing options for the player, you can't go to a dlc early and get a cool dlc weapon for example
- a tendency to add a ton of mobs behind you
However SotFS has some good additions like how they revamped the 2 dragon areas.
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>>558774836
>You underestimate how difficult it is to get a relic with those stats that also have decent utility
That's a "you" problem.
You don't need any other lines except the ones I listed if you want to do big damage with spells.
You are talking like you don't need affinity+6 or phys+12 when running double balancers...
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>>558773718
This. Tard troll bakers should be insta banned on sight.
>>558774124
BB was way better than that usually for me. Permanent Blighttown is a way better descriptor of the eventual port (if it even releases at this rate)
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>>558775218
It will release. They are under some sort of obligation to release tarnished edition on all platforms at the same time. Probably obligation to Nintendo. But the switch port is borderline unplayable. They’ll want to release Duskbloods first, because that isn’t a port. It’s optimized for switch. It’s not open world. It will probably have okay tier performance (and probably bad netcode). If they released the broken switch port of ER before Duskbloods the PR nightmare will scare off potential buyers.
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>>558775696
Then what the fuck are you talking about?
Are you implying that in base game you do no damage with spells?
Are you mentally challenged? They buffed melee passives and added double balancers specifically because spells don't FUCKING need normal relics to do big damage.
Holy fuck I hate talking with D0 tourists.
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GG, lads
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>>558776086
No you are not.
>what's the point of sorceries when you need to get insanely lucky or CE to get a decent set of relics
That's what you wrote Alzheimer anon. You never talked about normal or deep relics. You just said sorceries are useless, which is really fucking funny when everyone complaining about sorceries being easy mode before balancers.
Now be quiet, you don't know what you're talking about.
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>. It’s optimized for switch.
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>>558774264
I play full school Revenant, except for bestial (fuck that shit), and the dopamine release you get when you find sacred seals with Lightning Strike, Honed Bolt, Giantsflame, BurnOflame and the Discus incantations is huge.
Id assume is the same with staff gacha.
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>>558774264
What's the point of playing videogames
Ever though about that
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I carried btw
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>>558778185
gg revenant catfight things dw bout it
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>>558776705
This
Anyone with a shred of intelligence feels the same
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>>558778185
i was going to dupe a charged incant + negation but trish grabbed it and ran off before i could
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its fine
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I sorta thought using the respec would mean sorcs would be useless but you’re only 1 point behind base duchess with the respec which is weird. Melee recluse really feels like the real quality user
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>>558776705
Correct. That does not mean it will be running great. The benchmark for switch is 720p 30fps. An insanely low bar. Duskbloods will be unlikely to be more demanding than the first two dark souls games. That’s why it will hit the standard.
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Nevermind I got it all wrong, ignore my post
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Dude, alicekasuky's voice is the most grating nails on chalkboard shit I've ever heard. I can't tell if it's a tranny or a south east asian woman who learned english only 6 months ago. Or a south east asian tranny who learned english only 6 months ago.
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>>558780121
Meleecluse isn't even quality, she has 12 (TWELVE) strength.
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>30 int/fai
Lmao
>>558779838
Duchess is just best everything because her skill and ult are broken
>>558780365
>mins the most useless stat
Sounds based to me
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GG. The first day was fucking awful. I wouldn't have pinged the camp if I knew that neither of you had invader relics
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>>558781385
It was doing lmore haha
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>>558781749
>new bird player
OH GOD NO
OH GOD PLEASE NO
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>>558782027
He did okay, actually.
>>558782101
It was more thrilling than most matches.
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>>558782139
she's on right now
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>>558783443
>blocking birds instead of dodging so they can feel the weight of their choice every time they queue
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godspeed
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Wylder
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Ironeye
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Guardian
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Revenant
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>>558784792
Devil only hates one person and it's me. He responds to me by saying, "I hate you" every time I DM him. I ask, "Why haven't you blocked me if you hate me Devil?" And he says, "Because you need to know I hate you".
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>>558784903
Don't think Zdrada is a loose woman
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Tracks
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thanks for joining again fun stream
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i would never bg................
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>>558786010
and the bird spamming his orb move so it was like 30 in the air lmao, i burst out laughing too, curseeed
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>>558786584
i am addicted to having adventures with anon
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>>558787360
think before you judge the harsh realities of others
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>>558787495
based ender
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Lol
>>558784792
I don’t think he does but if he did it would probably because terr antagonizes everyone with every breath he draws
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I don't care enough to remember them but I do want to keep track of the temp bans so I can remove them later. This is separate to the randoms I've blocked which are just in my blocklist forever and are mostly chinese.
>>558788007
Blame Pam Bondi
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>>558787690
Cute!
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Virginity the images
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>>558787847
Fucking based schizokino
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>>558789816
you're supposed to put on colon
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>>558789720
You’re so cute and slutty…
>>558789816
It’s not needed dumbass the point was communicated and the lack of punctuation adds to the inherent comedy of the post
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>>558790813
Wrong and you don't even play the game
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Aged like milk. Deserved.
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GG lad
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Got his ass
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>>558791608
viteazu may be a sperg, but he wasn't the one who 3-barred
Awful debut Ytlaire, demoted to Manta tier
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>>558791752
you must have a kind of learning disability that prevents you from understanding a conversation contextually, so to me you are now learning disability anon, or short bus anon, I'm gonna call you this semi regularly ok lil guy? it's gonna be cute
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>>558792046
Bringing two charming branches to the gaol and dropping one and pinging it and both of us charming separate knights to easily clear it in the early game is still one of my favorite erg moments. I love when I get to use those branches.
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>>558791875
Dw we know you are a perma c tier bronylaire
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>R*cluse melty
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Why the fuck does firing a bow cost me mp?
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>>558791687
>anecdotal evidence
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>>558791875
Don't roll that move. It's safer to sprint away and then roll the projectiles. The key to withstanding the endurance test is to only roll when necessary.
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lol two non ergites make any ergite run look good. they're like headless chickens
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>>558792701
I wish one day spoils of wars anon let's me enjoy the spoils of war after sending a freak flying too
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so, after exploring more of Limgrave and the Weeping like you guys suggested, I finally moved on to actually Liurnia of the Lakes
I must say I really like this area despite being a giant swamp full of really annoying fuckers
the thing is I don't really think I know where I'm supposed to go next, the academy entrance is blocked of course
so right now I'm fighting with a preceptor in a study hall, its a pretty hard fight for me so far, a wizard struggles hard against other wizards
anyway it's fucking friday and I'll be playing ER till 5 am today lets gooo
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>>558792701
Yes, you may. This anon is still collecting them and ripping into the thread shitters ass >>558791861 >>558791687
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>>558793020
I think you should pipe down, shitter.
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Why is Torrent immune to scarlet rot but not frenzied flame if both of them are afflictions from outer gods?
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>>558794004
So business as usual
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>>558793593
He's a flip-flopping faggot and threadshitter, what do you expect?
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>>558792498
blew out the threadshitter's asshole and made xhim seethe profusely well done you may relish in your victory knowing the enemy has been rightfully defeated
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>>558795129
thank you sent that freak swimming
>>558795190
Shifty doesn't run gaols on duchess
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>>558795361
A guy that used to run a bunch of alt personas got humiliated recently so his go to plan is to yap yap yap about other people to make it sting a little less. Its a hallmark of the sharties to make an anonymous website all about said personalities.
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>>558794217
>undertaker is honestly close to guardian at the bottom of the pile
Not even close, powerstance 2 weapons and do jump attacks while using glass necklace and that deep relic that resets your skill when you ult. She's insane.
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>>558796298
she has what you call "dropped on the head as a baby" disease
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>>558793816
Nobody but me is allowed to use Undertaker
Every other Undertaker is bad and cringe
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>>558796696
I was the one who cropped that undercaker fists image, I am the OG one! My ass is fatter slut
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why is +skill attack power so busted?
i stacked +fire damage +giants flame incantations +legendary seal from crater as revenant
and it still felt like my wylder with balancers and 2 skill attack power weapon passives was doing more damage than me
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>>558796846
Even though my ass is fatter and I am the inspiration for Undertaker
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>>558796984
i think they should nerf the relic. i'm pretty sure the +5% melee stacks with the +15% skill attack on most skills. having both relics gives you +40%. that's huge, not even 3 spell schools passives get that far.
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>>558796846
Hnggg undertaker mains arguing who has the phattest booty
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>>558796846
Plapping these sinful undersluts for being guardian-tier!
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"SAAR undertaker OP the most ADVANCED guide eva!"
So this is the average underjobber shill? Yikes!
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no with the stats relic Guardian has pretty good dexterity and I could maybe even do greatbows instead to take advantage of the power stat and guardian also has the highest vigour and endurance and inherent damage negation
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>>558794535
she died to the rain, probably would have died again and i was out of health anyway
>>558796298
she's a special coconut thats for sure
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You'll be doing 0dps on the character that already does 0dps. You'll open a wormhole into a new dimension of 0dps that has yet to be reached
Idk what you want to be carried in, Depth 1? or base game? Just play mage duchess or double balancer reaper duchess if you really want to be "carried" by a build
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>1/3
Liar
>>558799952
Compared to rangroids? It's true.
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>>558798224
hit the nail right on the head that caused the trannies here to seethe uncontrollably nicely done
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>>558800507
>nightreinfags shit up this general to an insane degree
yes that's what I said
>>558800550
I'm not seeing an /ernrg/ on the catalogue, mayhaps you'd be inclined to make one?
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>>558800332
>Liar
I've been in queue for 17 minutes
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>>558801541
It's zorbjeet abort the queue
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lmao no, it goes to 2/3 then back to 1/3 and just continues the queue
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It's always wylders doing these funny movement techs
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>>558804337
Source for the fat?
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>>558797528
you look and sound like you satisfy wyldmen on the daily…
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>>558804781
sorce: here's a pic of zorbfat
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Me and who
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>>558800135
You kind of bodied him here can’t lie…
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>>558805940
Agreed. Futa Rev is the real bull
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>>558805162
here's a pic of sissyduck
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LMAO BRO IS 0-2 AT LEAST TRASH WINS SOMETIMES
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>>558807813
because he only ever plays low depths
we aren't sending our best...
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trvth nvke + struck a nerve
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>I just NEED to see a male body part on the female body
Shut it, homo.
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>>558808764
im scandinavian doe
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>>558810791
Feeding Wylder because he doesn't want to eat...
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Don’t be dumb that’s how he keeps his figures fasting gives him crazy gains
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>>558812819
Shifty didn't ping it. He did have a red godslayer sword that I assumed he'd use.
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I did when they both aggroed on me, the bigger problem is fighting the shield and red spear crucible knights ontop of each other when we're weak + we have manta.
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Cute…
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https://www.twitch.tv/boxy421 absolute F tier gaming
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>red godslayer sword that I assumed he'd use
I did use it
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Shut it threadshitter freak you're unloved
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>>558815747
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>>558813961
Trve xhe is delecting again, you caused mass dilating.
>>558815365
Weak bait, do better.
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Can you go 5 minutes without replying to yourself
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>>558815058
what duo? i havent duod with tinpo in like 2 days
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like randos randos?
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hey you didn't censor br*wn in your second 90 second auto-reply just a friendly reminder to remember next time
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Good night, /erg/, I hate women. I should remake this in Elden Ring, but I don't yet know how.
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>>558819185
I like women :)
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>so mindbroken it NEEDS to be the same person
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>foid babble post-conquered by Nord male
Many such cases.
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Cutie.
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>I literally will own my homestead in trøndelag next summer and will start a nordic family with my very nordic husband
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>>558821258
Be careful, this is what happens when you overfeed your Revenant
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>>558821153
I never did do the civil war quest line it just seemed gay and lame to me I preferred doing my own thing
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Did you two have a zero damage pact or something
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>has 2 million murk
>more than that when you consider selling all the trash you'd get while rolling relics
>can't even roll relics for more than a minute without his ADHD riddled mind tabbing out
and we're supposed to believe trish got his relics legit
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>>558824353
I found a chinese mod that auto grinds for you based on what lines you want, although i had to delete the code that gives you infinite murk (typical chinks)
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>>558823942
I spent like 3 million murk over the course of like a week and got like 10 "good" relics, I honestly can't fault people for cheating anymore, this system is unjustifiably bad
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>Why would trish use duchess ult to turn a 3 death knights fight into 1 death knights
That part wasn't his fault although trish played like shit and was dying to pre fight basic headless knights
Recluse ult did nothing but break the stealth and you're notorious for being shit with recluse and her ult despite how much you play you somehow never learn and argue you didn't do anything wrong every time
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>>558825964
>Using flails ever
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>>558825598
Yet you won’t criticise pidf for not tapping r1 and stunlocking the deathkngints, or for downing twice or Trish for not saving ult for when something like one of us going down happened or backstabbing any of the knights but me for creating extra damage for enemies who can’t see us and getting cross mapped by having two switch aggro on my in sync
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>guys I can spam rivers of blood twice as much
>then I can spam some more because recluse can regen FP
>never mind that it has the same opportunity cost, does 1/3rd of the damage, and I have no arcane to make the bleed do reasonable damage beyond the first status buildup
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>>558826207
I wasn't paying attention to piqf but see the guy above they're a zdps exe and if they can't counter death knights then what're they good for.
Duchess does not save ult on death knights, she uses it as soon as the fight starts. That is protocol and you griefed it with your dog shit recluse ult that does fuck all. If anyone should be saving their ult for resing it's you since recluse can't res properly without it.
Stop using recluse ults and stop playing melee recluse it's block tier bad.
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I dont think anything has diminishing returns, other than successive effects being harder to buildup.
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>>558826517
I’ve used my ult plenty of times before at the start of death knights and it’s been easy. I got crossmapped my two aggro switching in sync. Duchess saving ult for when things go wrong is more useful. Pidf should know he can stun lock the death knight by tapping r1. Sorry for losing to dreg once in like 50 odd fights ba him
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>>558826964
Piqf is B-tier and trish is Z-tier so losing isn't a fault but every game I've played with you where you play recluse you'll use that shit ult in the middle of an invader camp and aggro everything. You have no desire to correct your dogshit plays and you will argue every time you didn't do anything wrong when you're solely responsible for causing chaos by mass aggroing.
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>>558827274
playing melee recluse makes you below manta tier, v-tier for venemous tier, especially when you call it quality with only 12 strength lmfaooo
maybe you should get good at the game before doing big chungus reddit builds
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>>558824138
It’s because he doesn’t know how to play. He has some technical skill but doesn’t have any strategy. When he encounters 3 players he generally just gets in the middle and then his brain shuts off because it doesn’t go his way. He must learn to observe and be patient. If he can’t be patient he needs to recognize an unwinnable fight, and sever.
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uee im so happy i can give my sisters an acitivty so we can all have fun together...
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>>558826964
why would duchess save her ult for death knights? its most useful at the start since it lets you burst down a knight - one stunlocks with a backstab and the others gank it - or just backstabbing all 3 safely
saving her ult for a 2 or 3 bar revive is just asking for a wipe
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>>558828138
Who complained? Cite the run and teammate. Or else I'm filing this one under ydptg.
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gg dreggy who needs full hp negation anyways
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Doesn't the game literally say it does?
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>>558829107
gg triple duchy is legit, i like how we all have the restage muscle memory
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>>558828803
I prefer saving ults that can save bad situations for when there is a bad situation. Recluse and undertaker ults don’t really do anything but revive a single bar which is never too hard. Maybe it’s just personal preference or maybe it just me being annoyed at being blamed for that loss I dunno
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>>558830984
I’m not even defending it. I’ve said it’s not great, I just kinda enjoy it
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>>558830984
>Dung Eater, one of the characters that appears in the intro is just a shitty sidequest that ends with a shitty NPC battle in the middle of a lake or something and his "ending" is just the regular ending slideshow but brown
God, vanilla ER makes me sick
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You’re really cute so I’m taking your side in all of this :3
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>"I don't play the game"
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>>558832765
To go even more retarded and beyond!
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>>558830503
yeah that was my bad iwth the death knights sorry, i shouldn'tve died at the start i could've bursted one down while my ulti was still up
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>>558772741
> Most PVE NPCs have unfair wakeup attacks.
> But Malenia is unfair because she “instablocks” or “breaks hitstun in a totally unfair way.”
People complain about everything in this game. Not only is Haligtree one of the most optional and confusing dungeons in the game, showing how hidden it was, but you'll also be overleveled to fight the Blade of Miquella. It's just a skill issue, and From should stop catering to bitches.
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gg augur epic amazing boss
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I just reached d4 after ~40 games with randoms and it kinda felt a bit too easy and it's giving me major impostor syndrome. I'm still not that good with routing and still make stupid mistakes during day bosses and even nightlords. just want to play with you guys but I don't really want to be a queue nuisance.
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>>558833569
gg jelly
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>>558834262
what does that even mean in this context saaar
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>>558834505
Shut the fuck up.
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>>558833338
>troon only zone
you want /dsg/ for that (rest in piss)
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keep talking
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>>558832245
sorry pal, gotta subvert them expectations
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I'm convinced anyone who plays with Manta gets a mental debuff when they hear her voice and treats her like a retarded kitten they have to take care of so when she gets 3-bar'd they try and revive her and end up throwing the run.
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I mean that's part of the reason they don't use mixed soldier squads. Men end up doing dumb shit to protect the women. Manta is like a cute flopping fish on the ground, people just want to pick her up and put her back in the water.
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>>558837083
you sound like you're masturbating as you record that
>>558837267
flails are shit but family heads is neat because it's a dex/int weapon
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gg normie women
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>>558837923
Oh I found grafted in one of those fucking chests by the way up the boss in villages lol... insane
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>>558838080
It's because you have a very breathy and soft spoken way of speaking, which is usually considered seductive. Boys are going to jump to mental conclusions when they hear you speak.
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>>558839450
posting a vocaroo instead of just asking in text like a normal anon is attention whoring
>>558839228
trooncake here hit the nail on the head desu
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gg fish i wonder why practice unblocked me for like the 5th time
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>>558835796
two faggot retards who can’t write
>>558836260
don’t be dumb rya is a pure cutie not a lecherous whore
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>>558837883
No that anon has zero lung capacity. Probably barely talks and has never exercised. The low volume being produced is actually unnaturally loud voice projection compared to her default. Accent is weird. It’s hard to place because of the lack of natural volume. Alternatively, that’s a XY Chromosome skinwalker with vocal cord surgery and vocal therapy. It’s just that the result is not good so I would assume the neck chop shop would have better results. I’m not worldly so I don’t know accents. Best guess is English is third language. French being the second, and some sort of SEA as original.
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>>558842961
I just think she's retarded. It's not that deep
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>trish having the most broken build in the game and using 3 duchess ults with the attack up buff and still can't solo a black knife assassin
if you laugh...
>>558843665
beast claw rev doesn't turn nightlords into 20s fights
don't compare them
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>>558843856
trish is a ditzy bimbo, she gets to use strong builds
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s-sorry anon sama
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Melee recluse won some more, probably not ideal ult usage but we can do deep dives over the next couple of days
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>>558845257
ggs I like it when you ulti and I can just spam WA
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>>558841736
When they stop rotating Everdarks it will be over
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Those are placeholders bro
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Let it go. It’s over. The fun has been had.
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Is the Radahn fight bugged? I can't seem to have a turn to do anything.....
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>>558853158
From what I could tell, several of his attacks dealt double damage sometimes, and the only one that really felt int intentional is the Boar Charge, where it's consistently dependent on whether you get hit by the front half of the Boar or not.
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>>558853735
No it’s just not a fun fight. But you are trying to distance yourself from him. He has about a dozen different gap closing attacks with lengthy follow up attack chains. You’re better off staying within melee range as his gap closers are worse than anything else. You’re going to have a tough time as a spell caster setting up a window to cast a spell. My only recommendation for you is parry.
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lmao truth, also my crutch is moonveil its basically same thing
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>bwehhh, banderson, trish
>losing to horse in 2026
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>>558854814
Hnnnng showered Fulghor....
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I want DLC weapons
I want Dragon character that has arcane strength focus with either dragon transformation or dragon summon ability
I want more different overworld bosses and more bosses in the night 1-2 pool
And hmm more relic variations and map seed variations cause why the fuck not
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>>558862225
>still on a melty 9 hours after I lost
I already deeply apologised for my transgression of attacking the enemy, I’ll refrain from it going forward
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>dodge enemy attack
>cast stars of ruin (1 bar of res)
>enemy attacks me again
>have to dodge and wait for an opportunity to cast SoR again
>res bar has already started regenning so you need to cast a 3rd or 4th just to res a 2bar
not even gonna go into your meme options
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>>558866202
casting a spell takes longer than using melee weapons and the punish windows you get often aren't long enough for a spell
this would apply to other spellcasters except duchess and revenant ults will revive 3bars