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Harmony Day Edition
>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post- 207811
>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/
>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/
>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.
>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.
Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gN JQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://www.deadfrag.com/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/
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>1-19 graves keeps going to the enemy base while her lane is red
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Sex with Venator
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>retarded shiv teammate not using all of his CDs
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I've climbed from Arcanist 1 to Archon 1
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I'm more interested in the characters and plot than the gameplay loop itself tbhdesu so I hope they don't pull the same old shit where a character like sinclair will remain stagnant and still want a divorce that never comes 10 years down the line
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THIS is what paige should've looked like.
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>>558856515
Oh I still love my wife, we play vidya together and she still looks like a kpop idol, even as she ages. It's just when you get old you just want your job to be a good day in and out and playing vidya is more satisfying than some fag shit like being the boss. Erickson's stages of development are a jew scam
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>>558856648
My fuarkin hero
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I have just discovered an OP strat for ez wins (@ arcanist 3).
1. Pick Victor
2. Don't lose lane
3. After laning, run around the whole map all game, looking for sinner's sacrifices (boxes with a circle inside on the map) (nobody ever goes after them) and getting buffs from them. Because Victor really benefits from all stats (except maybe gun-related), you will soon be super OP compared to everyone else. Also, on your way between sinners sacrifices, farm easy-to-farm waves, golden statues and chests. You'll never need to go to the base to heal - just press 2. Also, farm jungle camps. When you have money, go to secret shop and buy your shit there.
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>>558856919
I do this as everyone it's astounding how little fucks 90% of all players give to all those boxes and statues. Is it even the game's fault for not being clear enough or are people just straight up retarded?
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>>558856471
I mean dota had a few developments and lore events where they just ignore the battle of the ancients but the ritual is also a fixed point. It doesn't make a ton of sense to delve deep into character arcs in a multiplayer game about doing the same thing over and over.
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sometimes I like to go back to dota and call the creeps troopers on purpose
no one hates deadlock more than dota players
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>>558857460
knowing the average haze player, he probably thought you did some black magic curse on him, much like with billy/abrams players when you parry them
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>Replace box fire rate with health regen
it cant be anything huge, make it like 0.2 health per second
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>>558855710
I saw this and thought you might like it.
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jesus dude laning against Rem is so fucking miserable if you have bad waveclear. He puts two points into helpers and now you have an impossibly tanky trooper wave that also deals extra damage constantly assraping your tower, good luck ever getting prio again
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>>558858018
Your only hope is that it's a retarded Rem that doesn't know troopers can be buffed in the first place (I've seen this a few times) and/or that he goes and steals all of his team's sinners and not yours (this happens every other Rem game)
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>>558857778
>no one hates deadlock more than dota players
TF2 is that 8 year old kid who's parents are having another baby and is getting super upset they're not getting any attention.
Except instead of being 8 they're pushing 40 and expecting for their parents to pay their rent still.
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I'm an avid instagram reels doomscroller and i have to say the game is starting to really hit the mainstream, or at least the edges of mainstream. Wasn't a couple months ago where any deadlock video was filled with comments like "temu marvel rivals" or just asking what the fuck the game even was, now i'm getting a lot of videos of some normalfag streamers playing it. Lots of women playing it too apparently, contrary to Dota. Its a bit silly to act defensive over a game's increasing popularity, but i'm going to miss this feeling of being part of a small club.
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Can't be me. I steal enemy camps and sinners.
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>>558858503
I don't want to write the whole thing out again but. So did they remove brawl bots or what. Do I have to dig through custom matches like some kind of lepor? Like an AIDS niggeur? No thank you sir. That isn't for me. I'm a huwhiteu manu I don't *do* menu digging.
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>>558858092
I was thinking more in terms of gameplay. Wish there were more gun characters whose gun isn't just rapid fire + big mag. Give me a semi-automatic rifle or revolver hero, and a shotgun carry.
Venator is kind of nice but his main gun feels exactly the same as that of every other m1gger. Silver's shotgun is nice on paper, but her human form feels like total dogshit to play because all the power budget went into the ulti. I just can't make it work for me.
For aesthetics a gentleman villain like JP from Street Fighter would slap even though it probably wouldn't be my kind of character.
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>it's one of those matches where you can tell within the first minute that the dude you're laned with is a fucking retard and will singlehandedly cost you the game
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>Fed Haze and Vyper wins because Dynamo has Refresher
I genuinely think it's time for both Refresher and Echo Shard to not work on certain abilities to balance the game. It doesn't matter how bad your team is, as long as Dynamo uses his ult twice, he will always secure the win in the team fight. It needs to disabled for his ult.
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Its more of a lane counterbuy item, get it if you're going against heroes who spam a lot. Mina likes it too, the burst regen is good since she's made of glass and the recovered stamina makes her more slippery
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>>558859208
Yeah it way MY gummy trycycle room whatever I wanted to fuck around and not bother real humans with my bad gameplay. You think I'm good enough for that shit? No. I'm hammered I just want to be left alone tommy bit match and chill out I wouldn't curse one of you with my gaming™
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>>558859305
Happy to be of service, glad you like it.
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Why does Vyper love Lash so much?
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>Sucks your whole team in with a lanewide vortex web
>Knockup + Silence + Lightning scroll + Kudzu giga slow + Spirit burn + Stone form stun
Fuck this dishonest nigger hero
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Shotgun user who can swap between flechette that causes bleeds and long range slugs that consume that bleed for bonus damage. Make the bleed passive and the slugs a charge on the skill. Give them low mobility but increased damage per damage taken recently so they want to get in, and a skill that causes damage taken to be delayed as a dot (similar to abrahms but in the other direction). Uhhhhhhhh how about an ult that causes big single target damage to yourself and an enemy? I dunno I'm just going off the top. Give them a gun arm or some shit so the self damage makes sense
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>>558860097
Stupid fuck retard nigger
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PLEASE LET ME HIT A LOSING STREAK I DO NOT BELONG IN THIS ELO
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Valve should add a maid to deadlock.
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>>558860194
i just found it funny that it sounded like pregnancy anon...why so mad...
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>>558860126
I audibly blurt out shit like "where do you think you're going" when I get a good rope
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>>558860367
many are saying this
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>our kelvin pops his shitty igloo
>tries to 1v1 a haze
>just dies
uhhhhhhh
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>try to push up lane and do something else on the map
>it gets pushed back instantly
How the FUCK do you get prio and space to roam in this game with the speed the wave gets pushed up? The window to do something else is like 20 seconds max what the FUCK
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https://xcancel.com/chazm_ball/status/2027554512051851559
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>>558860901
kek
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>>558861227
I'LL TAKE ON ALL OF YOU!
RAHAHAHAHA!
DON'T BOTHER GETTING UP
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i am learning vindicta
give me your best vindicta tips /dlg/
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Don't check the news just queue
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>new to the game
>game puts me in a lane against silver
>die a ton
>lane partner ditches me mid lane phase
>silver goes 27-1
help
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>>558862541
Silver mauling you to death isn't the problem, probably. You likely are being too aggressive in lane and mis-positioning yourself ahead of wave or in enemy firing lines where they can jump you.
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i love how vyper is secretly s tier and can beam/melt people faster than haze, but no one really complains about her because she's one of the least picked heroes
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should i play Bebop if I find him fun, but know it won't take me far and my time would be better spent learning someone like Mina?
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I got the rem model working and made a (shitty) rig for him for animation.
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can anyone explain the vortex web combo with doorman? every time i try to web and immediately throw out my cart, they just walk to the side after the grenade and dodge the cart
are you supposed to press cart and then vortex into its path as its rolling? or is it a conbo that has to be done super close to an enemy? every time i try it from Blue walker to where the van sits right at the corner, it literally never works out
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>>558862986
Why wouldn't Bebop take you far? You can play and succeed with any character in this game.
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>she's also both one of the most picked and banned heroes so good luck actually reliably getting her
Just like Bebop
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gooboy, despite BMing me the first time I got you killed and coping when i got you back twice and BM'd you
it was based to commend me post game, and i forgive you for ragebaiting me
also fuck you paige you fucking nigger calling me new and then somehow doing worse than me
sorry you tried doing apex sliding around the fed gooboy instead of falling back to the walker where apollo was coming to save us
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>>558856648
>touhou
Go play Marathon faggot
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what does she actually add to the team besides occasionally swapping positions with an enemy?
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>>558856648
she does look like that, though
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What the fuck is up with these feeding nigger jew agents in Oracle?
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let me pause the game i need to smoke my blunt hold on
oh im gonna take a bathroom break too please dont unpause the game
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>>558864256
Get trophy collector and torment pulse and go gank people, if they die to your ult or 3 seconds after you get 50 max health, trophy gives you 20 health per stack (a maximum of 16), you can use your other abilities when you are burrowed underground
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Yeah let me just waste 45 minutes because the Paige is a heckin meme faggot IDF retard who gave them 300 free kills
These people should be castrated, they won't breed anyway but they deserve the pain.
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>45 minutes
>39k souls on one of the fastest farming carries in the game
hmmmmmmm
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>>558865009
How do you die 26 times as Paige? She literally has a shield.
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>Infected Mushrooms
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>>558865319
Deliberate feeding.
Uninstalled this shit game, can only take so much of Russians, IDF jews and niggerfaggot retard trolls.
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>>558865663
No literally had a melee retard Mossad agent haze on my team last match.
>>558865764
Hitler should have wiped out every single jewish person.
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>IN A FEW SECONDS, IT'LL ALL BE ((OVER))
>https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/voicelines?voiceline=warden_use_power4_ 08.mp3
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>>558865919
That was my previous game.
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>do you just call everyone you don't like an Israeli agent?
Yes.
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>Yes.
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>>558863881
Make him do the GEDDAN dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr3gncRbzX4
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>>558866639
Its perfectly alive and fully functional in EU along with probably China.
The game doesn't have very functional matchmaking for higher rank NA though.
Even if you don't feel like grinding actual dota2 matches you can just play shit in the arcade like wc3 ums maps.
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>try to get the hang of some other heroes aside from Graves so I have a bit of variety
>spend all day playing matches and trying out some of the others
>do dogshit on all of them
>only one aside from graves that i've enjoyed is viscous but i'm really bad playing him
I don't know if this game is for me
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>>558867112
I have been called many things, but this is a first. Also, my grandma literally ethnically screened who would be donating blood to my mother when she was a sickly infant to make sure none of them where jews, so you couldn't be any more wrong.
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I've been working through the early heroes in "release order" to try and learn them all and why the fuck does it seem like they're all underpowered dogshit
My latest one is Lady Geist and it's like yeah okay she does some nuke damage but I feel like she can't decide if she's a hybrid DPS or a tank mage or what the fuck
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>>558867315
abrams geist shiv haze warden are the 5 best of the og cast, if you can't get geist to work it's a build issue, build gun around radiant regen, berserker and spellslinger
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no but if they take a fucking month or longer to nerf celeste the player count is 100% gonna crash
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I feel like I do okay in the lane phase and mid game but late game I simply get one shot by everything and can't compete.
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>Gun Viscous taken out back and shot
>Cube no longer removes ultimate debuffs
>People might parry/counterspell the punches
How do you build the GOOner in the big 26?
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>>558867503
The last set of heroes added were really not healthy for the design of the game. Obscene mobility, extremely forgiving kits, Celeste is absolutely disgusting in every way especially, same with Rem and Apollo. At least you can rush down faggot Graves players, and Silver is bad unless fed, which is still really bad design.
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>Lady Geist
weirdly enough she is actually a initiator like abrams, and billy thanks to how tanky she is along with the healing
her problem is while the gun does a billion damage, its a slow firing revolver so you have to be incredibly accurate with it to get her to perform like the others.
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>>558867315
Some of them have definitely been powercrept/overnerfed a bit, but there's plenty that still hang just fine.
I'd say only Wraith, Vin, Paradox, Kelvin and Infernus are actually bad in their current states.
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>>558867616
Punch build still
The parry timing is difficult especially in the middle of a fight so many people struggle, and even if they could you can still use punches for movement.
He's probably the most mobile character in the game right now
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punch build funny
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>>558868424
if the enemy team has more purple items then build to resist spirit more. If the enemy team has more orange items, build for weapon resist.
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>>558868424
Hold tab in game, Look at the investment bars on the other team under their portraits
Mostly orange build bullet res
Mostly purple build spirit res
If its balanced then build against whoever on their team is getting the most kills and farm.
When you learn all the items and shit, you can start building against them more efficiently, but this is where you start
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>>558868424
Look at your enemies items and see if more of them are building gun or spirit.
Look at your damage recap (hold tab and click the little icon on the right of the screen) to see what kind of damage you're taking when you die.
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I thought 6stacking at this rank wasn't allowed
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oh i get it now thanks :) have fun next match anons
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>>558868424
If you press tab, amongst the many things the game informs you about, on the right is a pop-up telling you what the source of your damage has been, orange for weapon purple for spirit.
You can adjust it for timeframe too to see recent sources, so if you get oneshot you can check to see what damage type got you and buy or queue items to resist it.
So if you're unsure what damage type is getting you, you can always check. I think it'll even account for how much is being resisted.
Btw, you can also set it to tell you your outgoing damage if you wanted to test cards and see how much damage they do.
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I've had some fun juggling people with it, though if it's parryable I wish it did a touch more damage or something. A lot of weapon damage boosting cards don't work properly with it even though its damage scales with weapon damage.
For example both of the range based damage boosting cards do fuck all for it when acquired.
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is there no better feeling than winning a game where you were getting absolutely shit on for the first half
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REMINDER
if you lose, you are the only constant
but if you win, it means you got carried, the enemy team fed, or you got lucky
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>>558867339
if you go on r*ddit or t*ktok you'll see new players complaining that they're getting shit on and not having fun so this isn't surprising
people are already saying this game isn't for them and the game isn't even close to being finished, valve needs to fix their shit matchmaking before they kneecap their playerbase
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>>558869006
i know i'm bad, i play for fun on mina and graveas and to say silly things in vc with frens and laugh about stuff
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>>558868926
Yes, actually
>team fights our blue base guardians
>it's 25 minutes and they are 40k up
>we obviously all die
>one shrine gone
>they go midboss
>team practically is giving up
>calico(me) and abrams set up for midboss with 0 communication
>they don't watch entrances
>slash into out
>parry 4 people, take first rejuv
>abrams ults, knocks 6 people up
>he gets second and third rejuv
>we fucking end immediately after two more teamfights
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This got deleted.
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This stays up.
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>>558869241
I wish I'd recorded it but I was watching a friend(drifter) play earlier today and he was literally getting jumped by the enemy top player(doorman) ontop of one of his own teammates(seven), like literally their projectiles are whizzing past the seven, and the seven still ignored ALL off this to poke the tier three creeps and ignore the fight.
It was fucking insane, he wasn't even using his abilities to farm the creeps just shooting them.
He was also building ult seven which is always a recipe for a throw.
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>imagine looking at mina
imagine being on the ground and looking up at graves and she calls you "pathetic" and tells you to lick her boots clean and if you do a good job you can clean her dirty, sweaty, feet with your tongue after.
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>Took out all the guardians on left and right lanes by myself
>Everyone is kill farming in the middle
>Get called useless because I have 0 kills
>Everyone on the team agrees
>I am in the enemy base alone trying to kill the shrines and have them both 3/4 dead
>We still lose
I guess kills are more important...
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>>558855581
>Yuri OP
Nice
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Imagine looking at paradox and she puts down the wall
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Hey how come I don't have this?
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>>558870236
For someone solo pushing multiple lanes, that's kind of bad yeah
You should have had a shitload of souls from getting to farm so many unopposed, not ended up middle of the pack
Were you smashing your boxes, killing your tier 1 camps, smacking your sinner's?
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its a hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hlSYZ-JiZo
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>trophy collector
kinda based just for the flex
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>get ranked alchemist 1 after playing a few days ago
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>lose several in a row
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How shitty are ascendant games than if the entire rankpool is concentrated their while every other division is just fucking herald. Do high mmrs even queue anymore? I can't imagine games being very fun win or lose.
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Mmr in this game is so whack
>oracle/phantom last year
>buddy wants to learn game so i play with him
>he is a league player. Great micro. Insanely bad mental and macro. Like I have to pilot him and me at the same time
>throws and rage quits constantly even to my detriment as I am still in the game
>drop from oracle to initiate because EVERYGAME he leaves or feeds and then leaves. So team mates do too
>come back from the year long hiatus to play
>start from seeker and forced to climb back up (none of the sick rank adjustments hit my account nor the new player immediately starting in archon oracle stories)
After being on both sides of the spectrum I can comfortably say this shit is fucking gay. 70% wr and won’t climb for multiple days. Then a weird burst of Mmr. Losing 1 game after a win streak tanks Mmr. Playing in ranks 2-3 above your own do nothing for your Mmr but losing in them will still reduce your rank. I’d like to say that maybe I have a special case and should make a forum post. But maybe this is normal? I should be back to high oracle/phantom in roughly 2 weeks if the pace continues (I’m in emissary now)
Anyone else experience shit like this? Also, I hear about new players or bad players not being able to drop from oracle and phantom and I wonder if that’s the inverse. And also making climbing harder. Ps. Supports in low rank are so ass cheeks. You HAVE to play a carry if you want to climb. But when you get a little higher you can play a support and just pick the one other competent person on your team and just enable them and shut down enemy team with actives. Essentially every game is 2v2v8
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Had an unfortunate game last night with what I can imagine were unironic basedteens or terminally online highschoolers. They wouldn't shut up saying shit like goyim, israel, unc, chopped, etc... After a certain point I decided these losers didn't deserve to win so I called them all zoomers and proceeded to throw. Then I muted them and pretended to not hear them. My buddy I was with said they started yelling when we lost. God it was the funniest fucking thing.
If any of you bozos are here, I wish nothing but the worst on you. I hope you get prostate cancer.
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>commit 0/14
>this build
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>>558875141
Here COMES The Lash!
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Part of that is the comeback mechanic. If you truly are the only human on your team and you have a soul bounty, and you lose it, god forbid to their carry before you can generate enough map pressure to lead to the game inevitably ending with a win. It’s over for you. You have to just play super selfish. Jump into a fight between farming to essentially steal kills or play clean up then go right back to farming and pushing. It’s hard not to play selfishly if you’re in an elo you’re well above and the others on your team can’t be trusted. The problem is when they’re selfish AND don’t play the macro game.
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>how do be pro Lash?
Max spirit, stamina mastery, unstoppable, refresher, ult people into your team, combo them with slam and flog, if your team has a Dynamo coordinate with him and chuck people into him for epic 6 man ults
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>>558871405
Welcome to true elo hell.
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>9 out of 10 matches I play have smurfs in them
>report them
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>>558875793
no they weren't, and if they were then they was obvious bait you fell for
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>you kill the enemy, by the time you reach the tower they already respawned or there's three guys to compensate for the loss
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>>558875885
>getting buck broken by a gun doorman
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Yeah. It's only worth killing after killing the tower I've noticed or if you're just about to kill the tower or if you're just trying to gain souls and don't care for the objective.
I've lost matches and won matches where a guardian wasn't even scratched but the carry was just getting a fuckton of souls and killed the guardian by late game to gain easy access to the jungle.
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>i hate (character)
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I lose more often than I win but my rank continues to steadily go up
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>all failed states and/or southern culture/southern culture adjacent states
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>>558877250
I will now play your game
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>DOWN HERE
>I AM KING!
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>make bunny graves
>''look guys i made overly sexual bunny suits of other characters, i'm not gonna goon out on graves lol''
>bunny suits are sexual and were CREATED specifically for playboy
>someone downloads the mod and removes the shorts
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Wiggers are a blight on online gaming and were born with the wrong skincolour, they never improve because " 'hyuuk 'hyuuk at least i m not a neegaar". The nogs are so shit because they took to the 'hwhites culture down south and migrated north with it. Truely a cancer on this country since independence. Exceptions exist of course but over all they are the trashiest people on average in this country.
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she is 18, i'm pointing out retarded mental gymnastics of the modder who doesn't seem to have a clue what bunny suits are (while making super horny ones of male characters), you can't say you won't goon her out and then put her in the ''bunny suit''. meanwhile someone can just yank the mod and remove the shorts, rendering all the modder did to obscure the ''sexy'' part
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The bro prob has a copy of the bunn suit without shorts but only uploads the shorts version. These people tend to be actual literal pedophiles (ie prepubescent children and not teens) but they moral fag constantly so no one will suspect them until they get found grooming someone on social media or outright caught trying to solicite sex with a minor. It's like they are trying to normalise real pedophilia by suggesting teens are children due to male sexual attraction to such girls being normal.
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UMH SHUT UP DIDDY EPSTEIN DID YOU DARE FIND A 18 YEAR OLD ATTRACTIVE? THAT'S LIKE... ICKY AND GROSS!they all talk like this for some reason its so fucking gay. You can bet your ass they have a discord server where they groom children too, every single time
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honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he ship graves with older character from the cast, all while moralfagging to others about muh sexualisation
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Literally every single loss my entire team has double digit deaths, they don't build counter (active) items, they don't know about 5m buff, sinners. Every victory is a brutal stomp. Emissary
I hope either matchmaking is fixed or I can get out of noob elo so my teammates will actually build knockdown/curse with me.
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I'm trying to imagine what the hell a snake would wear for pants with late industrial technology that wouldn't make natural movement impossible; And no magic because that's gay.
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Yeah the world is so hypocritical and evil "liberalism" and "conservativeism" is just the same schlock and it feels like no one stands for anything anymore but their own greed and decadence passing policy after policy to maintain the façade that they are morally righteous.
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>lost multiple games back to back as ivy where i solo took 2 walkers
i need a break, the game is actually starting to get to me. I watched my pussy ass team walk into base from blue walker as i solo defended it against 4 attackers... AS IVY. WHERE IS MY SILVER? OH YEAH SHOOTING FROM BASE GUARDIANS
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>>558878947
greens are extremely flexible and if your options in the game are get counterspell or don't and die to lash ults every time he's in your vicinity the choice is obvious
but just for the rest of your itemization you can easily fit counter items earlier into your build as part of your 4.8k spike like slowing hex rather than the 1600 purple you were going to get instead
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>>558879250
The only mods I've ever considered are that Yamato one and picrel. But I can't figure out what picrel actually is so its not happening.People who fortnite mod should be banned from the game for life.
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Been trying active reload on mirage instead of qsr, and I like it.
Lets me purchase a different counter purple (slowing hex, spirit sap or suppressor usually) for the 4.8k spike and it doesn't force me to choose between an instant reload and popping my mark stacks or doing a long reload and keeping them. It coming with a bit of sustain is nice for farmin too.
It is unfortunate though in the late game that it has no upgrade, at which point youd rather have merc mag anyway on raw stats.
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>bro what if graves could just plop her ult down 6 kilometers away and you had to wade through exploding zombies to destroy it bro
who the fuck designed these new heroes
these don't belong in fucking pvp games
this is some retarded ass pve design
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If a Vyper on my team ever does this I'm just afking in base. I'm not playing a game where I get 0 lane creeps to farm for the first 10 minutes.
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>I'm trying to imagine what the hell a snake would wear for pants with late industrial technology
A skirt with suspenders, though this would probably look retarded. Maybe she'll just have some equipment like a knife belt, ammo holsters and other things like that though it doesn't exactly sell her personality as a jailbreaker.
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That's just avoiding the pants issue entirely, but I suppose that's the only real option.
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Here's the 10 best mathematically proven best Deadlock items, notice that 8/10 of them are greens, this is why you should eat broccoli
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So that's where they all are. I was wondering why I hadn't seen many Russians lately in EU. They've all made a permanent home for themselves in low prio.
This might be the thing to actually get me to self censor bad words, to keep me out of Russian low prio.
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Playing Lash is pain, it's super fun up until the entire enemy team buys counterspells and knockdowns just for you
>just buy debuff reducer/dispel magic/unstoppable etc
I know, still a pain in the ass. Having to completely halt buying the items you actually want to buy those ones just to survive being seen by the enemy team feels horrible and I hate it.
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what if instead of overextending and killing it you just killed the zombies as they walk up to you? you don't even have to sit there and babysit the lane for the whole duration, just come defend your walkers when they actually get close and farm your neutral camps/boxes in the mean time. they push the trooper waves to you and she doesn't even get any of the money, it's a fucking dream come true for sidelane hypercarries that need farm.
the ones that just ult to push lanes are wasting it, that shit puts out immense pressure during fights.
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>>558878938
some people dont bother with counter items in high elo either when people become "knowers" it becomes more of an ego thing than a knowledge thing and you still run into people having bad games and eating shit all the same
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spellbreaker is very good right now but plated isnt really an every-game buy imo unless you're specifically dying to m1ggers with hit effects like wraith or haze, metal skin does the job perfectly well
dont believe the memes, drifter in pic rel was a huge rapist and was basically forced to buy curse to deal with metal skin making him useless
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No, seriously, how do you play Venator?
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Don't worry guys, just a few more unintuitive mechanics and movement tech and the knowledge barrier for new players will be so massive that they will uninstall after 5 minutes of playing!
And this is just in the beta, just wait until this game releases with 60+ heroes and even more useless shit to filter beginners!
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I was going to laugh at you for being outdamaged by a Paige but holy fuck a glass cannon haze got outdamaged by Paige lmao
Don't try playing him as a close range character, playing him as a melee Venator is pretty complicated if you're unfamiliar with him. Try keeping a certain distance and use traps/shotgun to get people away from you, and ult when you see the enemy is retreating
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Dynamo, I just love how easy it is to shoot him, and if I get solo black holed its like, whatever almost worth it for the cooldown. If I get stuck in like a 3 man+ blackhole then its my own fault for clumping on my team mates anyway
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victor
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Leech is terrible unless you're gun hybrid
Infuser + Mystic Reverb is my go to combo since you get the benefits of infuser while having good lifesteal without the active. Plus extra damage and slowing frm Reverb.
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Try these builds: 448759, 449519, (m1 carry / grenade) 481594, 497608 (melee)
and 456489 (grenade but has some troll 4fun choices in it)
For the shotgun, you want the knockback angle to be perpendicular with the wall as much as you can for max range stuns, otherwise people slide along the wall a lot.
His strength is his versatility in both builds and playstyle, you generally want to play from a typical carry range until people are focused on you and then kite them into hallways and buildings, he thrives in tight spaces and mid boss.
Your ult is good at killing carries or spirit nukers that are raping your team before they have a lot of green investment
Lean more Nade + AoE if you need antiheal, buy things like opening rounds/sharpshooter to delete fed carries, invest in more M1 T4s if you don't have a gun carry on your team, or melee when you're lacking frontliners. I can't stress enough that you really want to leverage his flexibility if you want to do consistently well on him
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>>558882216
Leech was pretty good when capacitor removed buffs and everyone was running it, but now you get way more healing from infuser. Double dipping is also pretty overkill, like other anon said you can just run reverb on his 3 instead.
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what are the most lanejanny characters in the game right now aside from graves? everyone else on the team just wants to BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL so i'm stuck being a lanejanny all the time
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I feel like I do no damage, no support, my abilities are never up, I always miss my jelly but, somehow the match ends like this
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Anotha one
This hero is simply not balanced. I don't understand how people struggle with him. I literally have the worst aim of anybody that plays Deadlock in the entire world and I have a 65% winrate in 35 games.
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Silver is easily the weakest new hero and requires the most work to be viable. I'm saying this as someone who mained her since day 1 and made it into Oracle with her. Also her build variety sucks ass.
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this is extremely close to my experience except
>played during initial invite rush
>awful go like 4w/20L
>start playing again from new heroes
>maintaing a 80%+ wr (average per match history page is 2/3/4 losses)
>75/15 on Silver
>have to play through every rank grinding games out
its driving me insane, all i read is people going from initiate 3 to oracle 5 after losing four times in a row and im grinding shitties into dirt trying to get to a real rank
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Just remember to pay atention what items they actually bought. A mcginnis could be mostly orange despite going for spirit damage cuz she bought cultist sacrifice and a heroic aura for her turrets. Similarly, a gun dude might buy stuff like silence wave/disarm hex/knockdown to win duels better
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The general logic at least around here seems to be "if you get metal skin you just die after it runs out!" when that won't really happen in teamfights. If a m1gger is allowed to hold M1 on you for 4 seconds straight and they haven't been bursted to death or punished for it you were probably gonna lose that fight no matter what
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I've climbed from Alchemist to Emissary since coming back for the patch.
Granted Yoshi did gift me some ranks here and there with all his retarded matchmaking updates.
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vyper hates herself and lash loves himself so she's using his narcissism to live vicariously through him to the point of stalking
doesnt work real well because she's still a self-loathing con and he isn't interested at best and actually hates her at worst
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>>558885363
Yes I'm sure. I prefer to be behind tankier characters!
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I fear there is no way he survives the eventual balance patch
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I don't think he's balanced at all.
Celeste is stronger because she just has the most retarded ult in the game and is impossible to lock down with her movement. Rem is just fundamentally broken with his helpers so you could argue he's more OP than Venator just because of that but Venator is not that far behind them.
There's just nothing he doesn't do well. You go Gutshot early and you can dominate your lane if you land your stuns, get the blessed melee and you're a monster in the mid game, and then you can just transition into typical M1 shit so you hyperscale late.
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>hear enemy Silver doing a sinner
>ult them, take the sinner for myself, spray a poster and leave before she's back from the Hotel California
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>unkillable god with suspiciously good aim and being followed by her personal seal team six who always help her sustain and get kils
>me playing silver
>endlessly harassed by the enemy team with stuns, knock downs, disarms, high burst damage
>whenever I transform my team literally runs away from me and doesn't help me at all
very cool and fun gameplay
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>impossible to lock down with her movement
so have you even bought slowing bullets before? or did you know point blank and slowing bullets stack? you could even add on slowing hex to triple fuck her over. and this isn't even anti celeste, it fucks over anyone without enduring speed or divers in general
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i cant decide between picking mina or doorman to spend my time learning/maining, i find both incredibly fun and i understand i can queue as both, but i feel like theyre both pretty difficult heroes that require a more dedicated focus to improve on
any advice? heres a swan i painted as payment for your service
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I'm Victor, in the very beginning of the game. I have Extra Spirit and no other items. I have 22 spirit. I buy Improved Spirit, which should increase my spirit from 22 to 30. For some reason, instead I now have 34 spirit. If I sell Improved Spirit, I am once again having 22 spirit. What's going on?
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Doorman might be easier to learn but from my personal experience with Mina you are defacto the target by everyone on the enemy team. If you can out aim and finish games before they all get spellbreaker+counter items shes easier to win with because doorman is way overnnerfed and relies on being a utility guy afaik. If winning doesn't matter I'd say just queue both high prio or spam the one you like more.
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What am i missing about Graves?
She has high winrate, evberybody talks about her being strong, but i fail to see much of a preasure from her unless shes fed as fuck, no matter if its me, teammate, or the enemy.
Is it because im pisslow mmr wise or smth?
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It's still probably worth throwing a scarab (maybe 2) at your primary target if its easy to hit just for the bullet shred in a teamfight.
Actively trying to use all 4 on separate targets is madness though
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Doorman got his kneecaps broken so he needs his entire kit to secure a kill now, Hes still incredibly fun just know you will not get to have fun lategame if its not ended ASAP as your damage will fall off the face of the earthunless you were gunman
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She's a macro hero, people that are struggling with her are the equivalent of people picking victor and then brooling nonstop and wondering why he's not very good.
Once she has her critical mass of items she saps a lot of your team's dmg output, becomes tanky and hard to kill while also exerting pressure with tombstone.
But unlike victor who isn't very threatening as he tries to reach critical mass graves can actually apply strong lane pressure that keeps your team divided and she's not without her own tools that are decently strong in early-mid skirmishes.
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it does feel like they nerfed him crazy style, he's never even picked in Night Shift games anymore, and im guessing they havent hinted at actually buffing him in any meaningful way?
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Isn'tGunmanalso shit though?
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I'll never understand why overnnerfed characters don't just get the last round of nerfs reverted; Besides dev ego.
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Early game lane pressure and late game debuff applier. In a chaotic teamfight, her skulls, zombies and a beam draining 50% of weapon damage from your team is pretty threatening, even if she isn't finishing off everyone.
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If I'm playing Doorman and Apollo ults, would putting a door at the path of his ult work?
I'm not patient/skilled/agile enough to test this
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Maybe it's just my low elo and people not building enough spirit res but Doorman's bell damage is actually crazy once you have your items, especially Mystic Reverb will just melt people during teamfights later on.
To be honest, I never felt like his damage being low is a problem at all outside the early laning phase unless you seriously fall off.
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>>558888761
THE BAXTER SOCIETY SAVED MY LIFE
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What kind of new characters do you want? I want a true minion controller character. I want to be able to take over and buff multiple little "armies" of troopers, jungle creeps, etc that follow you around and attack stuff for you.
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Funny enough I actually had this shit happen on accident earlier in the week. Yes he goes through the door
Another interaction I've found is that silver's jump ability in human form totally ignores the cart, which is a bit bullshit since it knocks Abrams' charge away just fine
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>Isn'tGunmanalso shit though?
depends, his bullets still hit like a fright train its just they changed how his scaling works and their hitbox size which scared alot of people away from playing that style, grab echo shard and hollow their skulls while keeping them in a perpetual coma (the new items like recharging rush and ballistic enhancement weirdly sync well with Doormans kit)
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It was the Drifter treatment where he won too much during his launch week so they sliced his ankles and called it a day
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I genuinely believe it's rigged. The amount of times I get no "good" items for who I am playing is crazy, then the next game all I get is good items. Yes I understand it's random, but it happens a suspicious amount. Just like when you're on the bad team full of retards and lose, you can guess with high accuracy your next game will be "the good team".
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>t was the Drifter treatment where he won too much during his launch week so they sliced his ankles and called it a day
drifter stabilized to a 50% winrate after that, his only meaningful buff since then was making isolation 20m
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>people not building enough spirit res
Spellbreaker alone nullifies a nice percentage of his damage since hes burst based, could do a juicy bell build and your screen says it does 800 damage and they walk away with like 50hp lost
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I'm the retarded balance nigger that makes these characters OP. I just think being able to go to a jungle camp and take them over to roam with you would be fun and interesting. They don't need to make the new characters overpowered. yet they do for some reason
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Anyone having matchmaking issues? Just had two games back-to-back where the matchmaking system gave my team all spirit heroes and we all predictably lost since I'm in a elo where people actually counterbuy
Like how do they not have values to make sure you at least have one gun character I dunno but its fucked.
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Whenever Paige says "I see Mina" or something, I momentarily think some some ethot just jumped on the mic and I'm annoyed until I remember her VA is just that unfitting.
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>enjoying a really long and intense Street Brawl
>enemy team gets two Prism Blasts and Eternal Gift
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>>558889750
damn maybe you should get to an elo where people adjust their build to the situation lolbaby
also someone edit this into Mina
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>>558886980
it feels like people take more personal offence when getting cucked by Doorman
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I'm a victor, I've got Greater Expansion (+35% ability range) and Ballistic Enchantment on Aura of Suffering (+30% ability range). The initial range of Aura of Suffering is 7.7m. 7.7*1.65=12.705. Yet, now its tooltip shows the range is only 11.9m. What's up with that?
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I really think they fucked on him too much. I get with his kit being so focused on utility you can't have him also shit out more damage than a straight up carry, but I see Rem throwing tactical nukes all throughout the game, Celeste being just as mobile while still throwing out damage and having good defense and even Paige having arguably better damage while still bringing borderline broken support to the table and I'm like "why can every other character have their cake and eat it too?' you know?
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anyone have that ivy image where she has huge ears and is saying "i'm all ears cabron"?
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>Playing Streetbrawl, the mod where literally nothing matters
>2 people still sitting behind the guardian the entire time like they're in a losing lane in a normal match
what causes this incredibly buck broken behavior
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>why won't they let a guy with a gun debuff spirit nuke, a wall stun, teleports + barriers, and a "gtfo of the fight for 3-8 seconds while I fuck your squishy" be a strong gun carry
think harder about it.
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>>558890263
That's why I still play him even after all the gutting. Knowing I'm the one that is making their carry that fucking mad on a personal level is great
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>suffer and die
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subpar builds to compensate for weaknesses are still smarter than getting countered by one item and bitching about it
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>>558889134
I want a character that only takes 50% of the damage dealt to him but all damage is turned into true damage so he can't have more than 50% damage reduction.
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They should have went more in the direction of her more motherly/teacherly and/or panicky/uneasy-feeling voicelines, those are great, genuinely on-par with the original deadlock cast. Sadly whoever wrote her lines utterly dropped the ball one day and decided to turn her into a league of legends character :/.shes still not as bad as silver tho
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>>558889134
I want a skeleton, thats it.
he doesnt have to be meta I just want a cool skeleton to play as
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luckily Valve doesn't give a flying fuck about China any more so we'll probably get a skeleton sooner or later
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Okay, I'm retiring Silver. She's just too unfun to play as.
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>>558891494
An undead veteran of magical vietnam would be cool
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>>558891545
I'm asking for Doorman to be a hardcarry I just want him to be less cucked by endgame so hes not reliant on throwing people into walkers and spawn
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>Someone who juggles a dozen spells (Invoker)
>Someone who gets way more powerful when at low health but vulnerable to antiheal and executes, no Shiv doesn't count (Huskar)
>An absolute cancer niggerhell turboAIDS debuff kit to give enemies gonorrhea (my nigga Veno got shattered into Miku and Pocket, so a QoP or Willow)
>Haze got Clinkz's role but add a sprezzatura skellyman in his honor
>Wraith doesn't even use the gambler theme, add a real RNG themed hero, fuck it bring back the Gambler
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Legit have no idea what the fuck to build on silver to at least function like a hero....
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>>558890443
You can buy some extra gun and survivability and just focus on tower diving as Victor if the matchup's not great for a standard build. It's still fundamentally a spirit build, but you can adjust the build to the circumstances
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Great taste
>>558889134
I want a giant spider, and some other non-humans/humanoid, be it other giant arthropods or otherwise. Even Viper is going to end up rather humanoid I reckon, which is fine since I like snake ladies, but I want proper non-humanoid rep.
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Do you need to know his alt-fire tech to actually be good with Shiv? All the build orders seem to rely on actives over any of his kit.
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my dont starve main is webber so i think it would be cool if a spider hero was someone who can create a small army of minions to follow him
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They already removed like 4 or 5 different item icons containing skulls, chief amongst them Scourge, Healbane and Cheat death, with those last two having like 3 or 4 different iterations done to appease the chinks
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TAKE EM OUT BOYS
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>>558892098
Im trying to remember the timeline but did WW1 happen in the Deadlock Universe?
a WW1 Vet Skeleton guy that just wishes the war never happened would be cool
>No Mans Land; AoE poison area
>Trenchfoot; A slowing poison path
>Shellshock; timed increase to firerate but decreased bullet defense
>Christmas Truce; Silence and Disarm both yourself and a enemy player
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The people making builds that also function as playstyle guides because they have tips and strategies added as flavour text and everything set out neatly as early/mid/late and core/additional/optional and so on
Are typing that shit out with one of their angel wings curled up above their head to block the halo glow from causing glare on their monitors
Hoooly I love those builds
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>>558893750
I don't think so.
The closest thing was Wrecker who was some weird monster Fairfax bio-engineered Resident Evil style to fight in the South Ixian war and was so fucking ruthless and savage it was called 'The Butcher of Ixia'. Every character with lines about him either hated him or was scared shitless of him.
Sadly they were deleted and disappeared along with Hero Labs.
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What can you say about this game from the scoreboard?
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Why has Abrams been allowed to rape lobbies from day 1 with slaps on the wrist from time to time but Shiv has been nerfed into complete irrelevancy outside of being an ult bot with mediocre bursting capabilities ? Are they planning on reworking his kit along his appearance?
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Apollo whiners are unironically just pisslow. He falls off so hard once you get to ranks where people have achieved basic sentience. He is just another spirit nuker that people needed a bit of time to learn how to deal with. Once you know how to play versus him in lane he's fine and also hard countered by like 5 different items.
Celeste is another thing entirely, she is inherently broken because of her movement.
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>>558893480
I mained Broodmother when I played Dota 2 and she is basically that. I stopped playing a bit after they took away her built in invisibility in her webs. Blowing up people to make tons of baby spiders was always fun though.
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W are yet to get a drunk fat nuncle charcater, Give him a Tusk's facet Drunkern buddies, and alcohol aoe debuff that gives your allies crit chance and makes and vulnurability to spirit damage to enemies
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Im gonna repeat myself from a few threads back, i want Apollo's father to eventually make it to the game, and be his opposite vibe wise, like a giant savage demon guy, but is equally nationalistic about Ixia, who rose to conquer ixia Conan style, and is proud that his son gets to be an artistocrat and live a lifestyle he couldnt, but this time i came up with a character concept for him.
Cauterized wound: can be cast on self, enemy or ally, deals a small Spirit nuke, and target is Cauterized for 5 seconds, while you are Cauterized, all the damage and healing you receive is delayed until the end of the effect.
Infernal binding: Charge ability, cast on an enemy to bind them to yourself. While binded, part of the damage either of you suffers is spread to the other
Ixian blade: passive, melee attacks put a debuff on the target, light melee put 1/4 of the charge, heavy melee applies 4/4 of the charge, when 4 effects are applied, the target explodes with fire which stuns it for a short duration and deals damage to enemies around which scales with your melee damage
Warlord's domain: teleports you and the target to a Dule arena location, for 10 seconds, if either of you dies, the effect stops immediately, and whoever stayed allive gains a permament damage buff
For weapons - a possessed Lewis gun or a Chauchat, and a big fuck off axe
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>smurf in archon
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With thread ending I once again want to say I desire gay sex with Abrams.
>>558897083
It's smaller, I would know.
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>>558868424
Don't listen to these pussy faggots, just buy more damage items. Greens don't matter as long as you kill them first :)
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You can't see the statue in those backgrounds, just the podium, right? Is the podium in Apollo's actually the same?
It would make sense for Apollo's independence for North Ixia warlord (general) dad to be a demon version of George Washington.
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Cuz valve forced everyone into the ranked queue, so everyone now constantly sweats over their rank in fear of falling down to shitlow where their teammates are too retarded to be carried properly
[Spoiler]i unironically miss the weekly rank system from when ranked was introduced[/spoiler]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4jw8drcF5s
https://www.twitch.tv/metro
Why is he allowed to make "CONTENT DOOD" out of him smurfing (against the rules) ruining people's games by pubstomping?
"12-2" so he's ruined 12 people's games today.
In the last game he had fucking 45k while everyone else has 23k.
I didn't hate this faggot before but I certainly do now.
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These are some good builds but I follow my own
In lane, mostly build green. Regen, then melee lifesteal. From there on you have 2 options: point blank or slowing bullets. Don't build both. Then build Life strike. From there on, get 3200 gun item, usually it's either hunters aura or express shot. Then, you need to see what they're building and get at least one resist if you keep dying or targeted. After that, focus on getting Inhibitor or berserker. The endgame depends on what they have.Rushing inhibitor is actually insanely good on Silver
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>34.6cm/360 isn't "low"
My sens when I had a giant desk was 36cm/360, 0.750@800dpi definitely qualifies as "low".
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>>558903531
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you press escape and click your profile icon at the top right and it'll show your match history and it'll say "time played" around the center left of the screen, then right next to that it'll say "skill rating", click on that tab and it'll give you some other stats as well as your rank, and you can click on the little "!" or "i" next to "skill rating" or your rank or whatever and see a chart of where all the ranks are