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Sqvire fetch me ze Bretonnia rework
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Thanquol soon, friends!
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TOTAL WAR TAMRIEL
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Should I upgrade all my chosen to aspiring champions or is there actually a case for halberds and greataxe versions?
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>>558883654
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>>558883727
Hope they get Amalric of Gaudaron as a legendary hero
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Amalric_of_Gaudaron

He's got candles on his head.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9g5h_HJ3Vo
Great Book of Grudges got a preview copy of the new Old World Grand Cathay book and it has some new stuff we don't have in game including revealing a new spellcaster generic general unit and gunner unit.
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>>558884020
aspiring champions kind of suck as line infantry, basic chosen actually beat their ass
never really knew what aspiring champions were for
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>>558883827
No one ever knew a mer could scream THEY HAVE WRONGED US so loud.
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>>558883827
Dunmer women would never
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>>558887314
>line infantry
They're for researching the four bonuses for Aspiring Champions and using as flankers beyodn that.
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>>558889221
Sister please, they call me N'wah like every two seconds.
N'wah this, N'wah that, can an N'wah borrow a kwama egg?
How you gonna borrow an egg, n'wah? Are you gonna give it back?
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>>558889221
https://youtu.be/epXmTGQT9wc?si=fiIpkvWuyCkwTGWx
Banana>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dork elf
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A bad time for Total War but a good time for total war.
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>>558890987
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>>558894685
He is talking about the Chorfs war in middle eas ... I mean the Darklands.
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>>558890987
We got low public order on our carrier bro.
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KEK
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Legend status?
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>>558883654
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>>558883654
why does she look ugly as hell
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>>558889221
That looks to soft to be a dunmer. Needs sharper features and longer face.
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>Lahmian Sisterhood
>no female LL or GL
?????
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>>558899383
She looks like she is doing cursed video tapes.
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>>558901831
Pretty sure the Neferata DLC would had added Lahmian Lord.
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my archaon campaign is impossible to win
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>>558899383
She's chinese.
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>>558901831
>>558903089
Vampire Counts really need to be lite version of the monogods. Not full races obviously, but the bloodlines need their own lord and hero types for the vampires and their own versions of units. Like Lahmian Grave Guard should look more like Tomb Guard, shit like that.
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I wish legend of total war could save my campaign...
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>>558900309
canonically everyone in the elder scrolls looks ugly as fuck because Oblivion is canon
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>>558912542
he can't even save his own disaster hairline
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>>558901831
my theory for why they did this is just because they didn't record any diplomacy voice lines for the lahmian bloodline lord so they can't lead any minor factions
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>>558883827
back when TW modders SOVL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09GCnXLuYk
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>>558923561
Who cares, Elder Scrolls cringe cringe.
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I honestly cant imagine what wars in elder scrolls look like.
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>>558926021
I do care mobiletard
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What mods for Total War Three Kingdoms should I get? What DLCs?
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Is there some super sus 4chan .bat file that I can download and run to extract all the soundtracks from Total War: Warhammer 1, 2, and 3, popping up several CMD windows for a split second and giving me exactly what I want with zero effort while also possibly installing something dangerous?
I had them all and then the HD they were on died, and my phone decided to forget they ever existed (no it wasn't a syncing issue). I remember it being a tremendous pain in the ass.
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>>558928236
I like TROM, it reworks the unit color autism, adds a lot of new units and makes heroes weaker so they can't body entire armies by themselves
it's a total rework, I don't think it works with anything besides maybe the better camera mod

>DLCs
Furious Wild is the best one
I also quite liked the Yellow Turbans and Mandate of Heaven
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>>558928310
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how are space marine chapters and chaos space marine warbands going to work
i get that you can control a few worlds but you can't really make a huge immortal empires tier kind of empire if you have lore respectable numbers
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>>558931005
They delegate.
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>>558931005
>lore respectable numbers
who's gonna tell him?
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>>558931005
did they even confirm there's going to be space shit
I kind of figured it'd just be a single planet gladius type 'everyone is stuck on the planet because of a plot device warp storm' scenario
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>>558923561
The inability to edit the map is the single culprit. Or do so 'easily' or just on a realistic timetable (Took 10 years for Attila and it's still not public). When you can't edit the map you can't really draw the interest of people able to do the models or coding for something more out there. Pharaoh with an ability to edit the map and shit I'd learn how just to make Hyboria

>>558907645
A Champions of Chaos style mod would go fantastic for Vcounts.
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>>558926673
I love this pic.
I like her slanty eyes lol
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>Chorfs won again
it's ogre
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>>558933317
Too bad those fuck ass morons decided it was a better idea to release Neferata as a stand alone LL instead of bundling her with Walach, Zacharias, and probably Vorag Bloodytooth. And now I just remembered that they also made Walach a fucking hero for some god forsaken reason and now that pisses me off about that again.
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>>558936236
#JUSTICE FOR USHORAN!
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>>558931313
kill all vagueposters
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>>558938224
I oppose Ushoran as a Strigoi lord because, when he died, he was not a Ghoul. Vorag is the first Ghoul King. The Strigoi started degenerating into monsters after Mourkain fell. Unless there's some part in the lore I missed that depicts him as a Ghoul King, he doesn't really fit as the LL of the Strigoi.
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warhammer ruined this series
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Warhammer saved this franchise.
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Creative Assembly would unironically have been shut down without Warhammer
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>>558941853
Histoids will say this would have been better, because they are simply unable to move on
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I guess you could say historical players are, heh, stuck in the past.
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>>558938947
A unique something something.
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Undead general.
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niggash will resurrect this dead general
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It's over
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>>558929992
I demand you give me the full size of that lumi face. Her face is unbelievably hot there.
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>lives in the Jungles South East of China
>sends armies of tigers at you
both 3K and Warhammer do the exact same thing but 3K gets a stinky jungle tribal queen tomboy and Warhammer gets an ugly furry who doesn't look female at all

it is so unfair!
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>>558946704
What?
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>>558947141
Yiff in hell, anon.
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>>558947138
I demand that you give Reverse Collapse a try.
>>558947245
Make him a unique vampire lord or even a necromancer. Just switch around his skills or something. He used to be a necromancer lord as well as a ghoul king.
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>vassal army reinforcing me
>I don't control them
fuck off
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Neferata DLC would had saved /twg/ ...
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>>558947738
I will stroke to that.
What is reverse collapse?
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>>558938557
that isn't a vaguepost, you just can't read between the lines
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>>558948070
It's a singleplayer turn based game, very fun, it's also a gateway drug. Also you aren't a real man if you cant beat it on the hardest difficulty.
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It's over
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gave archaon's army to sigvald so I could start steamrolling the local kislevoids for free ranks + population and train some higher rank guys on archaon
figure I'd pop my head back north and clear a quest battle real quick with my cool new ranked-up army but there's no way I'm beating this + 10 cavalry reinforcements
I guess it's fine because I'll get to autocomplete the 'move a guy all the way back up the map to the starting location lmoa' for my other quests when I teleport for the battle later on

in other news perhaps I shouldn't have gone for the -upkeep +ranks building as my second building, it's made getting new buildings quite expensive and I'm not sure the +3 ranks and 0 upkeep on everything but dogs was really worth it considering how much dosh I get from just kicking over anthills
also I reunited the tribes + throgg + wulfric and all these fuckers are sitting on their settlements like lazy niggers, what the fuck? go kill shit
worthless retards, the lot of them
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FANTASY FUCKING SUCKS, WHERE ARE MY TAU GAMES?
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>Med 3 news this week
>No one care
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>>558953063
no I care! also a lot of people who say they don't care will care because they are planning something Big to show us, or so they say
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>>558887314
>>558889248
You're both wrong, they're for embedding in weaker infantry
Their animations let them step forward to hit enemies and then step back into their embedded unit
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>>558954361
It's not wrong to say they're bad line infantry and that chosen beat them in a fight..
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>>558953024
here
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>cylostra is just GW and CA being wholesome
I dunno how to feel about that
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>>558957460
She kind of feels like a hyenas character.
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reminder that 3k and a bunch of other titles were either abandoned or given bare minimum support to make hyenas
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>>558957656
Well one things for sure
"Kislev was all GW's idea"
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>>558957460
Cylostra is overhated
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>>558957824
I still want CA to publically apologise for wasting so much time and money on Hyenas, and to name and shame those responsible, fully accepting that they fucked up big time. It'll never happen of course.
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>>558957835
>kislev returned as a playable faction to the table top
Where?
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>>558957824
>histslop died
good
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>>558959226
cylostra is underhated
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>>558959226
>>558959764
She's the only LL I've literally never ever played, not even started a campaign.
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>>558959226
>reddit frog
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>>558959261
the guy in charge got fired atleast
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>>558960182
Refrain from insulting the frog. He is a friend of Cathay.
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>>558962825
>reddit pass
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>>558962927
is not leddit
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Here bros. Have a rare Tzeentch frog I saved 8years ago.
b
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How would you rate the Sigmar's heir Overall? SOVL or bloat?
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>>558929451
I just redownloaded Three Kingdoms after years of not playing.
Does TROM stand for something or is it searchable that way?
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>>558931005
If they cared about Lore it'd be 'Total War' over a planet or even a continent on each planet.
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>>558962956
He meant the chink. China is reddit.
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>>558969843
What? But reddit hates china. I think they are pretty cool.
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>>558962956
>>558963035
Do u have any more warhammer pepe's anon?

I like you, ignore that other retard. Thank u for ur cervix in supporting this website with a pass.
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>>558971904
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>>558971904
I think this is a nurgle fwog
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Dark Elves are using one of their Black Arks to bomb the Chaos Dwarfs again
just not sure why I should care when this happens every year
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>>558972264
Then don't
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>>558971904
>Do u have any more warhammer pepe's anon?
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>>558968423
it's "The Rule of Might", but just search for TROM and have a look
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1977631962
I've been using this one
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>>558969910
>I think they are pretty cool.
And this is why you are reddit.
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I remember the days when this thread reached it's bump limit several times a day
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>>558975010
Thanks, when I searched it stuff like pack one and pack two came up and I was like 'oh God'.
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>>558978573
I think it's split because the workshop has a filesize limit, but the mod page explains it
anyway I bounced off the vanilla romance mode and records always felt underbaked, this mod having weaker heroes and getting rid of some of the more annoying army building restrictions made it much more enjoyable to me see if you like it
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>>558975787
Silence, peasant anon. I like the chinese cartoons and chicken noodle soup.
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The game got too big to be excited by relatively smaller and smaller updates. Warhammer 1 started with 11 LLs. Adding 2 or 3 LLs was like +20-25%. Nowadays adding a 4 new LLs is like +3%.
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Quantity desirers = soulless
Quality desirers = true understanders
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>>558980712
oh really?
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>>558979421
I think this whenever a new lore is added, especially hag lore after reddit threw a shitfit for it
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>>558979064
I have been playing it. I think the idea that Lords have a few restrictions on what units they can recruit are nice.
I just ran into Tao Qian as part of the Cao Cao storyline and this guy has 'wandering artisans' which are just guys with guns. What the fuck.
Got a favorable auto resolve so I'm going to fight it. Seems fine so far.
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>>558957835
>During 2020, Kislev returned as a playable faction in GW's renowned tabletop game.
What ???
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>>558982897
must be from an alternate timeline where Nergal didn't unleash his mighty plague of 2020
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>>558966153
well it's stupid, you get a gigantic malus for "declaring war on an elector count" if you attack fucking Marianburg
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Come Nehekharan beast, I invoke the black tongue
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>shitpost on /pol/
>get banned from /pol/ 1-3 days
>shitpost on /vg/
>get baneed from ALL boards for 3 days
Why are jannimals here such tranimals?
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>>558984171
Blue board think of the advertisers
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malakais airplanes just fly away from me and i cant hit them with my chimeras
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>>558897246
>40k elves
always absolutely hilarious to me how often space elves get talked about so much and get so much fanart
but in practice their shit sells so poorly their flagship book series starring Guilliman's girlfriend that got hyped up as this epic tale with galactic stakes gets shitcanned after 2 books due to poor sales meanwhile a random cadian guardswoman is on her 5th novel with copies flying off the shelves and no signs of slowing down
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>>558981209
People would like lore of Hags if it had a couple good spells, right now it has maybe 1?https://youtube.com/shorts/r1jk86o-A-U?si=iRZ1ZX6sE6VmtI10
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In Three Kingdoms, does having troops stand around the duel site actually improve the odds of winning or is that just fake news?
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>Pharaoh launches with just egyppos, jews and shittites
>lowest review score in the franchise, total disaster
>Pharaoh relaunches Dynasties now with Mesopotamia
>very positive ratings, total win
I see a direct correlation here
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MALEKITH CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
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>>558988314
we gonna cry for Manfred's demise now?
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>>558988314
it's just a distractions to get people to stop talking about the Cult of Pleasure parties he went to in Elfstein's island
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>>558988314
I never knew that Black Arks could attack the Darklands all the way from the Coast of Araby.
The question is this: Who will replace the now deceased Drazhoath?
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>>558988643
malekith keeps asking the local orks to rise up, he doesn't really want to send drukies on the ground with the black tower breathing down his neck. Kinda funny he always attacks at the end of the week before the slave market re-opens monday
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>>558988643
probably another Chaos Dwarf from within the Tower of Zharr, Malekith will retreat soon just like he did in Lustria
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Who are the Warhammer equivalent for Turks? Wanna know so I can ask how Turkey can realistically hold out since Israel said Turks are their next threat and that Edrogan needs to go
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>>558989213
>look it up
>it's real
Why though?
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>>558986367
You may want to do it to jump the other guy if he wins
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>>558987414
It also had Greeks and Trojans
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>>558989484
Jews
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>>558989213
can't, Elohim picked a side
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>>558989213
Greenskins, Fantasy Turkey is the Badlands.
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>>558989484
source
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>>558989887
Ok so why do the Chorfs wanna attack Skarsnik who is in a deffensive alliance with a fuck ton of order factions and vamps now?
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>>558990026
google it
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>>558990195
all I got about that was a tweet, aka 0 credibility
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>>558989213
Geographically, Gorbad as Turkey makes the most sense. But some amalgamation of Empire,Dark Elves and Sayl is the closest representation.

Israel's biggest ally in the region is Turkey btw
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>>558990453
meh Egypt is normalizing their relations with them. Turkey plays both sides a tad bit much to everyone's liking
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I am very sorry for my continued retardation.
In Three Kingdoms, can you have cities that are at massive food deficits so long as your global food supply is positive?
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Come to think of it, given the time period it's adapted from, it's pretty surprising that there isn't a designated "the Turks" in Warhammer. I mean even "the Arabs" got in but not the Turks who were arguably much more influential at the time.
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Please someone respond to Three Kingdoms anon. He is literally the only person left on /twg/ who actually plays the fucking games.

I never played 3chinkdoms.
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>>558991241
Probably because GW started Warhammer in the 80's and Turkey was mostly an irrelevant western adjacent country back then. Arabs and China were seen as more mystique. And I dont think was much interest for Ottomans in England.
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>>558990858
yeah, also you can very easily import food from other factions and sell excess food if you have it
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Voloundbros things aren't going the way our supreme Total war content creator predicted
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>>558990858
>>558991809
haven't played in a while but you should definitely specialise your provinces, you have a lot of buildings that just give you percentage increases to specific types of income
so ideally you'll have provinces focusing on food production and agricultural income, provinces focusing on trade, a provinces on manufacturing and so on
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>>558992061
>such a tankie he supports iran
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>>558992983
He's a commie zigger retard, of course he supports them.
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>>558992983
Everyone that isn't a kike or golem supports iran because you'd have to be completely jewed to support israel
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>>558994159
I can hate both
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Does legend has a new channel or something?
I thought that he'll keep streaming paradox games
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>>558994947
That's the white man's choice. It would be ideal for those two to obliterate themselves completely.
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>>558994947
>>558995317
I pray for the restoration of the Kingdom of Heavenly Jerusalem.
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>>558991241
The orcs and goblins are the Turks of WF
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>>558995596
https://youtu.be/KbiXZvvEovA?t=204
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>>558989887
The Badlans are more the Lavant than Anatolia
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>>558994947
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>>558979245
>he actually enjoys chinese propaganda
You should report to your local anti-espionage agency to be eliminated.
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>>558989484
Consider this: geographically, all of Trump's actual allies (different from America's allies) are closer to Israel than any of the countries that criticize him, and so they will be first on the chopping block.
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>>558994947
A trve son of Rome it seems
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>>558995224
His audience was solely determined to troll him into a stroke or heart attack for all this time, I wouldn't be surprised if he calls it quits or at least takes a long, indefinite hiatus.
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>>558989484
The Middle-East is just a three way power struggle between Turks, Persians and Israelites. Arabs once again somehow managed to end up sitting on the sidelines as foreign powers carve up their homeland. Persians are on their way out now so the true struggle between the Neo-Ottoman Empire and Greater Israel begins.
>>558989647
You're thinking Troy. Pharaoh didn't have them until the Dynasties edition came out.
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>>558992061
Bizarre that he condemned TCA as a far right corporation in his condemnation of Total War but they're actually leftist bootlickers.
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So, Total War Three Kingdom Question (I have included a picture of an attractive Asian female to sweeten the deal):
What DLC is good?
I own Mandate of Heaven and Eight Princes (the latter of which I was informed was a mistake).
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>>558996592
Cathay > Empire!!
I wanna date a hot jade warrioe gurl or a shugengan, not your clown outfit wearing swordsmen.
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>>558999381
brain rotten by porn
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>>558999321
Furious Wild is the goat
love the jungle tomboy queen
love panic routing entire armies of chinks with a well timed elephant charge
love running them down with tigers

other DLC are a bit take it or leave it, I liked Mandate of Heaven and the Yellow Turbans
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>>558999823
holy shit what the fuck is that
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>>558999935
my jungle tomboy wife
duh
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>>559000189
Does showing her thigs give any tactical advantage?
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>>558994159
>Dwarf want to subvert Sigmar's realm
>Chaos Dwarfs want to behead you
I hate both and i'm happy when they kill each other.
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>>559000363
Yes it stops her overheating
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>>559000363
Speed +3%
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>>558999136
In his mind capitalist = right wing and it trumps the social pro lgbt pro diversity views
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>>559000771
I'll always laugh at someone whose claim to fame is playing a videogame thinking he can give lessons in politic
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>>558995596
Not enough christians in the region for that to survive. It worked then because during the crusades the middle east had a large christian population still today not so much. Unless of course you will ethnically cleanse the natives and invote all the christian white south africans to live there or something
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>>559001041
NTA, but you can rule with a strong authoriatrian goverment with a minority group over a majority. Alexander, Soviets etc.
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>>558984451
They cursed when it comes to blslop. Its their price for having cool aestetic models, main lore in codexes and imba rules on tabletop, until recently
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In a modern day Total War would Legend be able to beat USA/Israel alliance playing as Iran?
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>>559001248
... jews, etc...
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>>559002075
yes, by putting Khamenei on horseback and having him run back and forth in front of the American carriers, all of their ammo could have been wasted, resulting in their balance-of-power contribution dropping to near zero and causing them to rout to army losses.
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>>558999321
>japanese
You can't trick me, Xi Jinping. That's a hanfu, and therefore she is chinese.
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>>558994159
Iran is fine when they're not being led by religious fucks. And Israel is fine when they are not being led by nationalist fucks. Fuck, even China would be fine if they were led by someone who's not a chink.
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>>558999381
You would date a dirty peasant and you would both work at an arms factory in Nanking or whatever, making bullets for Crane Gunners for 16 hours a day every day. You pay would be a bowl of rice per day (split between the two of you) and a mandatory 2-hour congratulatory speech every month. Of course, the speech must be attended outside of work hours.
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How are they hiding such big titties in ancient China?
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>>559005272
they weren't, she's Vietnamese
and extremely OP on her elephant I will add
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Could India beat Israel 1v1 in Total War?
Could quantity beat quality?
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>>559005462
Step one:
India sends a million troops over the border to die or surrender.
Step two:
India sends another million troops over the border to die and surrender.
Step three:
Israeli sanitation/groundwater is compromised and they die off.
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I would have gladly died to imagine her tits from such a distance that I would have thought her to be an ox, if I was a Chinese peasant.
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>>559005272
Probably the same way they make foot binding and cats with short legs - ritual mutilation.
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>>559005873
>I would have gladly died to imagine her tits from such a distance
This AI translation from chinese is hilarious.
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>>559005462
Israel would surrender to India. Anti-jeet shitposting aside, they can't deal with the sheer manpower coming at them. India brings all their AA bith modern and old to drown out Israeli air superiority and turn it into a ground war of attrition which jeets can win due to the sheer biomass. They might lose a few million, but they will win.
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>>559005873
>by mistake.png
yeah I'm sure you accidentally slipped and opened the steam workshop Grace
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Imagine if jeet special forces had the power to materialize from any toilet and invade Israel internally. The toliet flusges on it's own and then an Indian rises from it spinning.
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>>559007101
terrifying actually
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>>559006813
DUDE
https://youtu.be/sCH5F9UsCWE?t=16
But like America is the fire man??
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This is the best Total War intellectual and everything he said about the game was based and correct.
https://x.com/Volound/
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>>559005873
>>559006838
Remember the shitfit Grace pulled when these mods came to the reddit? God that was ridiculous. Threatening to "reduce official presence". What a bitch. She was the worst community tard wrangler.
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>>559008815
mossa was gigabased for drawing this to dab on grace
truly the total war community's greatest artist
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>>558984451
their books suck because the writer hates them, at least that's what I've heard
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>>559007553
I'd like to see him stand up and accept that compliment.
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>>559011548
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>>559011548
He's way too humble for that
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>>559011548
>stand up
anon...
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>>558928310
Literally just google "Total war warhammer ost" and of the first results is khinsider with all 3 games soundtracks. What I don't understand is how someone can enjoy this game soundtrack enough to download it, like, all the songs are generic as fuck fantasy music. Even Rome 2 had like 2 or 3 remarkable songs. Losing Jeff van Dyck truly was the last nail in the coffing for CA.
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>>559007553
Volound theme song
https://youtu.be/NECZBE4IvF8?si=-jhuAiWi9CjuyhlE
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>>559007553
So he is like actually loaded and neeting from BTC? Is the only way someone would have so much time to create a channel completely dedicated to shit on nu total war
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>>559015994
To be fair most of his content now is playing vidya on his side channel https://www.youtube.com/@VoloundExpounds/videos
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March shall be a month of news!
Are you most excited for:
Medieval 3 vlog
Bhashiva blog
Warhammer 40K teaser
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>>559015994
Doesn't mean a thing if he doesn't say how much he put down, that's "only" 5X
He said more so he could have got in at a nice early point but he isn't saying when or how much
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I was playing the SFO cheat with Vlad and when I got Vlad into melee, War wagons shot him to pieces in seconds.

Multipoopers, I kneel, you were right about strong missle chariots and I will never doubt you again.
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>>559017254
i had the same experience with skulltaker when i made the foolish mistake of having him near a war wagon
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Chat is this real?
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>>559019118
Ratfag nonsense
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>>558883654
Whats the anti large choice for nurgle? They dont seem to have the halberd units
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>>559016646
I got in on bitcoin (one whole bitcoin) when it was $300 and I spent it all on video games when it hit $500
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>>559022703
Well it still wouldn't have been able to buy you a house
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>>559021653
just use your own large units???
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What should my undivided WoC army look like
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>>559023503
my present balance is $2,868 so I would be happy with 25 times that
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>>559028592
>my present balance is $2,868
Ah to be jobless again
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>>559017254
but sfo buffs guns
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Any tips on the Wulfrik campaign on WH3? I suck with him and everyone is declaring war on me (Dark elves, lizards etc)
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>>558995317
no, it'd be ideal if saudia arabia was wiped off the map too in the exchange, just israel and iran would be nice but not perfect
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>>558984451
>make race of mary sue space elves who are perfect and better than humans in every regard and can see the future
>if they get surprised by anything, are defeated in any capacity or face any kind of adversity eldar fans screech that the authors hate them and don't get the lore
>if you stick to the lore you get a boring ass galactic fetch quest that consists of aspect warriors going to a place at a farseer's orders, being superior and better than all the stinky humans and taking the ancient crone world elf mcguffin they need to proceed, this ad nauseam

not to mention their entire personality revolves around being boring cunts with no edge and moping about Slaanesh
in a universe filled with space nazis, all consuming monsters and sicko cults who kill for fun and profit you just have the eldar sitting there with their dumbass bowling pin looking helmets acting like judgmental Karens
trash faction, the dark eldar will always be superior
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unalive general award
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Its over
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>>558976521
i miss these niggas everyday
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>>559004597
I don't like irl girls anymore cause they abused me. I only like girls inside my monitor or on pillows. Which means what you are describing is nothing more than playing WoW with my cathayan AI gf. Sounds pretty hype.
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>>559047543
do you like IRL guys then or is blowing your ass out with silicone and then posting about it online separate from your interpersonal sexual preferences
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>>559047912
I'd help Zhao Ming create a new longma force irl and in thought.
If my theory of how they make them is true that is.
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>>559047543
>>559049319
gee I wish I could have gay sex with you
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>>559051326
A-anon sama..
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>>559037114
Sorry I'm only buying the DLCs, I'm not playing them.
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>>559049319
whats longma
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>>559052198
Longma ballz
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>>559049319
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>>559051432
what?
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>>559053654
Well you see.. there are 2 possibilities.
First, I assume dragons don't have organs and also no genitals. The cathayan dragons are magic beings like demons. To breed they use a mind melt to impregnate.
So in scenario 1: Zhao Ming mind melts with me and while putting his DNA in me he uses his magic as a shapeshifter to give the thing in me form, so he creates a longma which would probably come out of me in egg form. No womb needed.. I mean Xenomorphs don't need one either.
In Scenario 2: he can't make me lay horse eggs so he just implants me with his DNA to create shugengan eggs. Longma riders are shugengans after all. So I make the shugengana for him and some horse makes the longmas.

>>559053806
Anon control your dick. This is a blue board! And I believe I have only flooded tekgen with my nudes before, not twg so why are u even horny.
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>>559054736
>I have only flooded tekgen with my nudes before, not twg
now I have go to look for them
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I've been playing an Archaon campaign and it's really really sad how weak and useless he feels compared to other chaos lords. Even his start position is super lame.
Hopefully CA does something with him in the End Times DLC. He's been a complete chump since game 1 whereas in the lore he's an absolute terror.
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>>559057678
>Hopefully CA does something with him in the End Times DLC
They won't
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>>559057678
An unkillable, super fast, top tier melee lord who is also a mage is weak? Anon, what are you doing my friend?
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>>559057678
ca said they would rework him
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Archaon should get Arbaal as hero.
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>>559033013
It also baloons hp so its impossible to kill those things with a foot character like Vlad before it kills him in 5 volleys.
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bros the joblessness is getting to me
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why is cathay so much cooler than the empire?
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>>559066061
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>>559066061
Because you are an age of sigmar fan.
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>>559066061
Terminal yellow fever
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>>559067090
Empire is in AoS while Cathay isnt. so you make no sense.
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>>559057678
He is meant to suck.
Play his daddy instead
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>>559057678
>super safe start position
>better in melee than almost all casters besides Malekith
>easy road to quick expansion
>amazing unique items that make him even stronger
The only thing holding him back from being the best Chaos LL to play is being unable to make hordes of demon armies and not having a teleport
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>>559068310
The empire is not in age of sigmar.
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>>559069831
sure is. most of its units were used in Cities of Sigmar and some of them still are.
while 0 Cathay units are in AoS.
you lost.
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>>559066061
Because you're chinese, therefore i respect your opinion. One should love their own culture before anyone else's.
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>>559070015
There is no race or faction in age of sigmar named "The Empire".
Prove otherwise.
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>generic mounted lord of CoS is literally Karl Franz
>ToW has to pretand the build option doesn't exist
Will never not be funny
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Cathay would be cooler if they were white instead of chinks
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>pretand
Saar
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>>559071081
Cathay would be cooler if they fit instead of feeling like they're a lazy mod faction made by a chinese national.
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>>559071370
Yes Anon it's the English speaking nations like India that make spelling mistakes and not random ESLs
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>>559071706
indian english is literally on par with ESL classes in Australian high schools. The only asians that speak English with any recognisable competency are Chinese descent Singaporeans or older generation Hong Kong natives.
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>>559070253
neither is cathay.
and now stop moving the goal post. its pathetic but not unlike empire players.
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>>559072146
>neither is cathay.
Never said it was.
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>>559071081
nah, white people are boring and trash. just look at the empire and bretonia. thats why GW decided to spice them up with black folks.
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Empire winning bigly once again.
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Why is bait and an actual tranny the only sources of praise for cathay?
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>>559072441
If CA actually gave a shit we'd have Nippon and Ind by now but they only did Cathay to tap into the chinese market. The only reason Cathay was added was to get those sweet Chinamen dollars. Nobody else cares. Nobody I know actually likes playing as Cathay.
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>>559072441
Other than the chinks who bailed years ago, literally no one else cares about cathay. As they are, they fit in better with AoS than WHFB's. AoS famously has a strong tranny following. Even on the TT most AoS players are trans or people who are their 'allies'.
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I don't have any of the post-chorf DLCs, which one should I get first? I'm planning to get all of them because of autism, probably with Omens last.
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>>559072919
creamapi. Most DLCs past chorfs are powercreeping bullshit
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>>559072969
>chaos warriros weren't powercreep
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>>559072969
every dlc since Ikit has been powercreep, I don't really give a fuck at this point I just want some cool units and stuff
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>>559072620
empire is in AoS and not cathay though. so you are wrong again
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>>559072969
What does creampies have to do with anything
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>>559072919
Tamurkhan
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>>559073176
I'm not the guy you are trying to troll.
AoS cannibalised existing units and factions and made them uber gay. Other than goblins there is not a faction left that resembles what they were. Either in models or lore.

Its not me you need to convince anyway. AoS will never be self sustaining since it fundamentally presents itself like a chinese mobile game rip off of Warhammer. Which turns out is just faggot 'progressive' millennial aesthetics.
Everything looks like its made of plastic or clay. The lore is every single 'safe' fantasy trope and what little could survive such a purity spiral from WHFB's.

AoS' sole identifier is that its just 'What happened to WHFB. Its soft, and safe and ultimately - its boring - arguably the most egregious crime. Cathay fits this description to a T and is massively out of place in WHFB. If Cathay had been fleshed out 20 years ago, one of the factions would be lead by Fu Man Chu and another by Mao the Dong. There would be no 'harmony' and the whole place would be rife with civil wars. There would be a named Elf lord who was renowned for sieging 'Beking' for 55 days.

Instead its a CCP approved ahistorical ideal of 'The Middle Kingdom' where its rulers are infinitely wise and gracious and its people gladly toll, fight and die for dear leader, except its played totally flat and without irony. There is no equivalent 'window tax riots' for Cathay.
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>>559074759
>AoS will never be self sustaining
>Second most popular miniature tabletop after wh40k, while whfb wasn't even in top 10
Interesting take
Wrong and very homosexual, but interesting
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Shouldn't malekith start allied to morathi?
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>>559074759
>its boring - arguably the most egregious crime. Cathay fits this description
I will now support AoS for the rest of my life even tho I have no idea what the fuck it is about.. but if the people who hate Cathay hate AoS, I'll make AoS great again.
Cathay > Empire.
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>>559077057
>No surprise the resident avatar tranny likes Cathay
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>>559077868
Yes.
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>>559066061
shitpire is based on Germany and anyone with half a brain hates Germany
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Ach ja, die Kaiserreich
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>Install cheat to remove confederations
>Watch little men waving little heraldry around exercising their free will
>Fight tooth and nail to claw ourselves into a brighter future together

Bugmen could never understand this feeling
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>>559086689
>Install cheat that removes the diplomatic option.
>Kill your countrymen after you leave them no other choice but to fight or die.
>Sow chaos, death and destruction among the people and lands you claim to be bringing a "brighter future" to, even past the point where your enemies would have long since surrendered.
>Convince yourself you're somehow the moral one here.
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why does Pharaoh have so many mechanics that make you choose something you're not allowed to see the effect of that locks you into it for the entire game. Who the fuck designed the UI for this fucking game
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>>559087138
>Bugman thinks the strong leveraging power over the weak is diplomacy

Nay! The Reikland bleeds to keep the Empire intact and does so happily, hand in arm with all it's peoples.
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>>559042104
>, the dark eldar will always be superior
lol
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>>559087838
There's a button to see the breakdown of the Ancient Legacies and or whatever they're called but really they don't particularly matter.
They're kind of like faction mechanics in WH except since Pharaoh was trying to be a historical game, that degree of complexity doesn't really past muster and they end up just being something you ignore after a couple turns because they barely do anything.
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I am autistic and whenever Tamurkhan or Be'lakor say their names I shout ZULAHOOO! because the intonation of those two voice lines strikes me as similar to Astragoth saying his name.
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>>559088126
Your enemies are the ones in the right, and you're the greatest threat to your people.
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>>559074901
>>Second most popular miniature tabletop after wh40k,
Is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKo3ZljgmnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL_SqxOJvt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WymTkIyPKu4
AoS is literally resides on the same as WHFB prior to End Times
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>>558995596
You already have it. If you are american.
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>>559088456
What a strange sentiment, I'll chalk it up to your oriental sensibilities.
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>Got bored, played every faction to legendary completion at least once.
>Decided to check out the Dread King OvN for some undead Greek shenanigans.

Peltast skeletons are so fucking good. Starting to get the itch to play Rome 2 again.
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Is the Roman mod updated? I wouldn't mind playing a warhammer Roman Empire campaign either. Either that or I am going to check out the araby OvN.
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>>559089487
When I first checked out this mod years ago it was pretty bare bones. Its arguably DLC worthy now.
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>>559087838
>>559088272
you pick the merchant legacy and be happy
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Whats the most barebones faction? I feel like Malektih has no mechanics at all
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>>559091985
dark elves have the SLAVE mechanic though
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>>559088631
I dont care for this thread chain but battle tech is sold at walmart for like 30 bucks or something with the other toys. Im not saying its pokemon but they definitely have more vision compared to someones whos never even heard of a game store. Even then I think my mtg shop has some battletech stuff and its mostly a card store with a really pathetic amount of paint.
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>>559099861
>I dont care for this thread chain but battle tech is sold at walmart for like 30 bucks or something with the other toys.
yeah and?
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>>559099861
Computer Games are toys.
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>>559057678
the only thing they should fix is make him big
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>>558931005
Depends on if Matt Ward will be writing for the game
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>>559102670
Have people stopped throwing rocks at him when goes out in public?
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>>559102883
I liked what he did for the necrons and literally nothing else.
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>>559103515
You get a rock too
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>>559102670
That was like 15 years ago man, let him go.
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Witch Elves wear modest clothes now and show almost no skin.
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I need help composing my Archaon armies
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>>559105294
lord
chaos sorcerer of your favorite lore
18 Aspiring Champions
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>>559105449
that doesn't sound fun or strategical
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>>559102670
But Vermintide and BFGA are written by him, and I it's not that bad.
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>>559100609
>vision
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>>559066061
So true, sister, playing Cathay made me realise I was a woman.
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>>558931005
>there are as many space marines as the plot demands.
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>>559103909
Are these supposed to be executioners?
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>>559105294
Archaon
2 Chaos Knights (Lances)
8 Chosen of Slaanesh (Whips)
7 Chosen of Nurgle (Great Weapons)
2 Monsters or Greater Daemons of your choice, it doesn't matter
1 Artillery piece to bait the UI to smash itself against your shield wall.

1st line of Chosen of Slaanesh
2nd line Chosen of Nurgle
Monsters whatever side the enemy has the biggest threat
Cav on flanks
Artillery in the back
Archaon doing whatever he wants, casting magic etc.

Grats, you can now sleepwalk through the game.
>Inb4 muh chorfs and other shooty armies
Engage with monsters and Archaon magic and cavalry on the flanks to break them up while your Chosen of Nurgle close the gap BEHIND the Chosen of Slaanesh then wreck everything on contact.
>Muh anti large
Nurgle Chosen with great weapons doesn't care.

If you want to go undivided this works exactly the same. its just slaanesh has the best line holders and Nurgle the best anti armour heavy infantry.
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>>559103909
Subhanallah
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>>559106020
>there are as many corpses to reanimate as the plot demands
>there are as many beastmen as the plot demands
>there are as many elves as the plot demands
>there as many peasants as the plot demands
fantasy is honestly dumber with it.
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>>559106234
Many BL author are not the brightest, unfortunately.
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>>559106546
The problem has always been that 98% of all Warhammer books, short stories, novellas, and white dwarf additions are written by people who either do not care or worse do not LIKE the setting, faction or characters they are writing about.

However liking it can also be retarded ala Matt Ward, both are detrimental. GW has an internal canon but have shown they do not understand what that means or don't really care either. Probably both since we are likely critiquing dozens of people over the last 30 years. Which allows for progressive cancer to seep in and then claim anything *they* want is also canon - no fun is allowed because the very existence of Obi Wan Sherlock Clousseau means any fan fiction they want can be duct tapped on to the core canon.

A lot of the BL writers are openly disdainful of the setting and canon but keep getting contracts anyway. From what has occurred the last 15 years I would strongly infer malice is vastly more common than incompetence when it comes to BL writers and the handling of lore.

WHFB was near dead - mostly due to GW mismanagement - but AoS would have been DoA and perma dead if they released it, even in it's current 'improved' form back in 1985. Where as WHFB resurgence has proven it has broad appeal in spite of the way its handled.
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>>559103909
OH NO GAMERS ARE BEING GENOCIDED
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>>559109178
No one who is into dark elves will buy that. No one who is not into dark elves will buy that. It fits nobodies aesthetic.
It only fits progressive sensibilities and they don't buy plastic.
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>>559109449
>progressive sensibilities
But what are those anyway? They claim to be sex positive and are qgainst slut shaming pro sexuality and dirty fetishes being normalized etc. Yet they also get cited as being prudes for wanting to desexualize vidya
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>>559103909
>>559109449
>and they don't buy plastic.
neither do I because I'm not a retarded consoomer who thinks paying 150 dollars for a shitty unpainted plastic toy is normal
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>>559107625
>mostly due to GW mismanagement
How did gw mismanage things?
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>>559111010
That's because the horseshoe theory is true. The more we get ourselves segregated towards the extremes, the worse it gets.
Did you know that in america, extreme left and extreme right are sponsored by the same organizations, since their goals are the same?
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>>559111489
>since their goals are the same?
You sure it's not because it keeps the plebs fighting among themselves?
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>>559111112
Crunch was an unmitigated shitshow with 2 decades of tact on rules you practically had to have a degree in to play.
GW refused wholesale to interact with the growing games industry to cross promote the setting and treated every single project offered as some kind of conspiracy to rob them of their IP, ala Blizzard famously, but there have been a dozen others. The contracts and control they demanded as well as profit sharing was extremely shortsighted.
>muh they were protecting the lore
>AoS was not forced on them by Amazon or Activision or Blizzard.
Most people who knew of 40k did not know a damn thing about WHFB.
Entire model lines were older in 2010 than most people posting in this thread.
Price fluctuations started getting out of control despite their models being ancient dogshit - due to GW deciding they were going to chase whales and the middle class and then the GFC practically annihilated the middle class.
Storm of Chaos was ignored - which should have shown them Chaos was not popular enough to let them win.
Rather than address these issues they got uncomfortable with their own setting and let it rot as an excuse to 'modernise' it into AoS.
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>>559111489
>That's because the horseshoe theory is true.
Midwit.
The only people that believe this take whatever political entity they support at their word and whatever one they do not at the word of their enemies. Then feign ignorance so they can be holier than thou.
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>>559113819
>Entire model lines were older in 2010 than most people posting in this thread.
people always say this but when I check the release dates for models seems like everyone got a bunch of stuff in 7th and 8th edition
except maybe bretonnia and skaven up until isle of blood? like yeah everyone had ancient models as part of the army but you always had plenty of new options too
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>>559114014
>take whatever political entity they support at their word
As opposed to the extremists who...., oh wait.
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>>559119425
Again, extremists in politics as a concept only exist if you subscribe to the notion of left and right which is then bent into a horseshoe -
> "Anyone too far from my central position on either side of me is retarded, for I am superior for sitting in the middle. The middle that exists solely where I believe it does. Everyone else is an extremist by default"

Horseshoe theory midwits are just narcissists circle jerking each other. Left and right dichotomy, politically, is in of itself a midwit position. You see the world through your convenient subjectivity and deny all objectivity because it's existence is a threat to your ego.

it is the default reddit ideology for a reason.
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>>559120501
It also makes the people who believe in it extremely easy to manipulate, you just point at the opposite direction you want them to go towards and claim those are the extremists, and surely you wouldn't want to be an extremist, would you? Until you go and help put them in power for fear of those extremists over then, and then they no longer have need of you.
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This feels wrong
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>>559113819
the main issue is that whfb has a fairly awful name with hobby stores. Even now tow models go into discount bins. Which granted does happen to 40k and aos, but its usually their bundle boxes.
>Most people who knew of 40k did not know a damn thing about WHFB.
Should they? its an entirely different game. Then and now. and 40k was still better than fantasy until 6th editon, even then fb was shit because of it being rank and flank. Id rather have played mesbg. Which people did if they wanted their fantasy fix.
>lack of promotion
my boy we had mark of chaos, they had multiple games as early as early as can be before 40k even had one.
I will only agree that gw was really fucking weird with only updating high elves for like several editions straight when they were redundant. Though they should have just souped Brets into the empire before 6th edition.
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>>558887314
>never really knew what aspiring champions were for
They have encourage so they're useful as pseudo-heroes. IIRC in 1 and 2 WoC had a harder time increasing hero cap so if you wanted something to keep your chaffshit from fleeing you'd grab a unit or two of Aspiring Champs for that since Chaos Lords got good mounts and were better used molesting the enemy backline or sniping characters.
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>>559120773
>Until you go and help put them in power for fear of those extremists over then, and then they no longer have need of you.
Well, that's exactly what's happening. You know, you could just shorten those three posts of yours to "NO U" and nothing would've been lost.
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>>559121618
I'm a different poster from the other two posts.
>Well, that's exactly what's happening.
I'm not warning you against anyone in particular, so that can't possibly be what's going on right now. But it does mean there is someone who has already warned you against people like me, aka. the type who tell you to fucking think for yourself and not just viscerally reject sides just because you've only listened to one of them and they told you to not listen to the other.

Which you're about to do right now, because they already got to you, and you don't even realize it. Instead you just post about horseshoe theory as a way to pass the effort of any critical thinking to whoever is giving you the "moderate" position.
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>>559120882
Mesbg was crazy popular for a while, bigger than 40k for a couple of months according to a white dwarf article. Kind of hard go believe looking back now but obviously the movies made their appeal soar.
I think a big part of gw's trouble in the 2010's is actually an entire pillar of the company just kind of fizzling out as the hype over lotr naturally died down.
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I, for one, support the Protestant Cause and German Liberty against the Tyrant Habsberg Emperor.
Justice for Magdeburg!
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>ascending powerful mortal chaos lord into pitiful deamon prince
not doing that again
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>>559126289
Weird how this was a problem way back in DoW: Dark Crusade as well.
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So rumors say that Age of Sigmar is getting a new Coatl model. If it turns out that the reason we got this piece of shit instead of the winged serpent in the art is because GW refused to let CA use what would later become an AoS design I'm going to be fucking livid.
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>>559127771
Based AoS putting CA to work.
Not their fault they couldn't hack it when they had to come up with something themselves for once.
seriously though this shit came out in like 2021 no way gw has been sitting on some random coatl model for that long
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>>559128341
Anon, the Old World was announced like 5 years before they released the new Bret and Tomb King models
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>>559128978
They really dragged ass on TOW I think they were hoping interest would dwindle and AoS would pick up so the wouldn't have to release it
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>>559128341
You'd be shocked how long GW will sit on already prepped ideas or made models to adhere to their release schedule. Some rumour engines have gone on for about 5 years before finally being solved with a model reveal.
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>>559129104
More likely they just announced it to fuck over kings of war and then had to take years to actually develop the damn thing
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>>559121978
No, I mean, I see other people doing this.
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>>559127771
I don’t think gw was meddling with total war until 3. Maybe late 2, my guess is that ca just got it confused with the bird. Also that the old model had a beak. I think.
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>>558929992
>/vg/ anons what troon tubers
lmao
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Let's be real. We're just going to defeat Nagash by shooting him.
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>>559131308
They've always had final say on anything CA does design wise. If GW had said no Cholesterol then the VCoast would have probably just been 3 lords. Hell it would have been better off as 2 because then we wouldn't have had Aranessa in there when she has no place being amongst the undead.
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>nu-total war enjoyers
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>>559133513
>nu-
Volound, decade old games aren't "nu"
maybe instead of having meltdowns on other youtubers' comment section you should finally confront the fact you wasted your adult life on making hundreds of 2 hour videos seething about roman and warhammer video games for over a decade and now your hair is gone and you have no bitches
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>>559134261
Volound is focused on shilling for Iran on Twitter atm
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When is Medieval 3 blog ?
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I hate how shit shields are in TWWH.
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>>559139004
Is that a beak
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>>559138990
Feels like an effort to mitigate arrow-spam. Is funny to me that as much as hammer and anvil Alexander shit is easy for total wars it turns out the Persian spearwall with bows is just as suitable.

>>558987414
Don't forget Chorfs doing so well. The truth is the Mesopotamian motif is fucking amazing, although you have to divorce it from history for Babylon because for some fucking reason despite being rent free for 2000 years in Abrahamic faith there's basically fucking nothing for Neo-Babylonia. I've been able to vaguely cobble together some references from the bible and Herodotus to get a vague idea of what it might have looked like but it's weird to me that there's just a void for Neo-Babylon.

But it's like how Gilgamesh or Sargon or Hammurabi has such a gravitas to their mentioning but if I showed you how Mesopotamian warriors would have looked in that period you'd rightfully go
>WHAT RRR THOOOSEEEEEE
As autistic as I am with history it's one area where I just throw my hands up and go "Yeah go full fantasy barely inspired by it, that's better."

>>558989484
The right wing in Israel needs a permanent existential threat to remain in power. Then again for how comically inept the left is for them compared to the early glory decades maybe not.
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>>559141660
>did u know joos rule israel HUUUUH?
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>>559128978
>Old world comes out, largely successful

Really shows how bone headed it was to kill the setting in the first place, it died because GW's marketing team hates fantasy
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>>559141142
It mitigates arrow spam poorly because even basic archers are shredding dreadspears and elf spearmen in a couple volleys.
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>>559142530
I don't think it was so much hate as an assumption that nobody would miss.
Now there's resentment because they've been proven wrong.
They probably would have done better with their original plans or 8th editon.

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