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>Download - https://hsr.hoyoverse.com/en-us/home
>4.0 Preview Page - https://act.hoyoverse.com/sr/event/e20260206version-nwlbwa/index.html
>Version 4.0 Trailer: "No Aha at Full Moon"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hH0hILcWPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMT6GmhDiBk
>Sparxie Character Trailer: "Ravings"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6J88t4luM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdUoc-nSB94
>I'll Never Forgive Star Rail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ia3b_9-znQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI-W8r-TWUM
>Current Character Banners: Sparxie, Yao Guang, Cerydra, Rappa, Sparkle + Pela, Hanya, Qingque - https://www.hoyolab.com/article/44017918
>New Drip Marketing:
>Ashveil (5* Lightning Hunt) - https://www.hoyolab.com/article/43666646
>Redeemable Codes - https://hsr.hoyoverse.com/gift
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Every shitposter in this thread. Could. Be. ME!
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Yuri general
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L-la-la-lava!
Ch-ch-ch-chicken!
Gui's Lava Chicken, yeah, it's tasty as hell
Ooh, Kafkacita, now you're ringing the bell
Crispy and juicy, now you're having a snack
Ooh, super spicy, it's a lava attack!
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Good Yaevening, Honkai: Star Rail general~
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Yuria is an Asian girl
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Peach
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>>559146462
Anime after sparxie? miss greek ritualposter
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Sorry Stelle but he's mine now
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Nigga just leak 4.2 fuawwwk
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>>559146509
fakenews
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errr maybe? if you're around by then I guess
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"that"
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Bronya CUUUUTE!leak 4.2 RIGHT NYOW!
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>>559146684
>errr maybe? if you're around by then I guess
bet
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>>559146861
ogey
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Love her now and forevermore!
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>>559145271
Because she was a good character.
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less than 12 hours until we see another flop of titanic proportions
These are the current rankings
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you now remember the bnnuy
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Herta: Star Rail
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He actually became a mod on that website two days ago
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>>559147264
can confirm!
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they really should've leaked 4.2 early, now Sparxie is ALSO going to flop MASSIVELY
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>>559147331
I made this pudding a while ago ig
dunno why you wanna see it
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>>559147561
stop
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Smart players who play on asia about to have sparxie kino 10h earlier, easy rollan.
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supiki
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>>559147561
We mustn't summon the BTA schizo
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Reminder if you're over 25 and like firefly you're literally one of those creepy uncs lusting over teenagers
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>>559148368
>MFW 24 turning 25 in June
I'm safe
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>>559148368
26 is young
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elation gameplay makes me wanna puke
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>>559148368
>Turning 24 this March
Bwi
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i am, in fact, a zoomer
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if you are 30 you are OLD
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>>559148852
I'm 32
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>>559148760
I'm a zoomer and I'm 25
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>>559148908
no comment
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>>559148920
rude?
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>>559148971
i will interpret that as a yes
not just a cute pagette, but a cute pagette hag
a hagette, if you will
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>>559148954
i'm 23
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yeah it does makes sense now...
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Isn't it suspicious that in the main story they brought up the Scampo mask thing from 2 years ago but we still don't actually get to see the mask
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POV: Yuria is euthanizing me.
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It will happen.
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>>559149081
i'm not a pag
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syringes are scawy..
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i 'member the 15 y.o phainon poster that got banned for exposing his birth year
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AGP
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>>559149254
DO NOT TRUST! 5090's are bricked by the drivers, she is trying to humiliate you and then laugh as your expensive GPU she gave you turns out useless!
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>>559149303
looked pretty paggy (in a cute way) to me
i'm already imagining our life together, you feeding me fried noodles straight from the garbage as we post 'planarcadia flopped' simultaneously from 2 phones in our jungle hut
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>mfw it's true
https://tesseract.academy/warning-rtx-5090-5090d-bricking-issues-sprea d-what-owners-need-to-know
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>>559149520
you're pretty funny
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My alpha wolf husband...
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>>559148368
How old is she chronologically?
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My alpha lion husband...
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>>559149581
Oh, I know. I have one. Sparkle already tricked me...
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Maybe before the 50 series NVidia was better, but now, AMD is the only way, don't end up like me.
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Cerydra is specifically for characters with Enhanced Skills like Phainon, Anaxa (with Cyrene) and Mydei (with Cyrene). If you are duplicating a normal ass skill, you can get the same result as Cerydra but better with Bronya
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Surely 4.1 being only 4 weeks long won't affect the number of pulls we get
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>>559149979
Would you really buy the non Sparkle-sponsered one?
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sleepy eepy eepo
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>>559150375
It's over 4am in greece
go to sleep so you can pull sparxie and watch anime with me
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>>559150495
ok dad, goodnight
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mfw im actually tempted to roll for E1 Archer
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>>559150584
goodnight yuriachan
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SEIBAAAAA
BRICKING HER WAY TO VICTORY
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fuit gummies
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>nvida bad!!!
>amd sissies really trying to astroturf
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO not a problem on my machine btw
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Nyeheheh :3
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>>559150708
Based based based based
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>Intel
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Congratulations. You broke a person who genuinely cared about you. You broke someone who tried to be the best version of themselves for you. You broke someone who would have fought every demon you had.
So congratulations. You broke me.
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Nyeheheh (=^・ω・^=)
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>>559151341
Its okay sunday I know you flopped 3 times you'll get em next time champ! 4th time is the charm!
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Screwllum just said Herta talks about me a lot bros......!
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>>559151159
lol genshin has fallen
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>>559151574
But he was. And Skirk still beat him.
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>>559146627
that's okay I really didnt like him that much anyways, hes kind of annoying...
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i think zandar one KWABara is overrated
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>>559152113
Ghost hunting with Sparxie when?!
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Well?
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>>559152190
needs THAT...
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She's coming and you can't do anything about it.
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>>559152108
They separated Fate sales from Phainon's long ago, dumbass.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIayrZfsZe8
Goddamn this makes me want to roll for archer E1
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>>559152190
Missing a halo
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10 tickets are all Sparxie is going to get from me.
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>>559152334
DOUBLE RELIC DROPS!
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This cannot be denied.
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>>559152334
hsr doesn't get many events anymore and when you start to complain about it on social media people unironic tell you that that's a good thing because "the game respects their time" and that you should ""just play other games"
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>>559152816
>more 50/50s than any Hoyo game
>throw loops
>drive rush
Why are you torturing yourself?
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Mywife love!
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>>559153024
nyes, I LOVED Aventurine's schizo rants for hours on end, really added to the story experience
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>>559152983
I'm slave to FGs the same way I am to these hoyo games. Life would be so much sweeter if drive rush got nerfed.
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>>559153306
Did manon ever get buffed or anything? Honestly considering reinstalling dix
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He owns your mind btw
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>>559153164
>nyes, I LOVED Otto's schizo rants for hours on end, really added to the story experience
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>>559150297
Such is how it used to be...
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In retrospect? Yes. If asked again despite knowing the reality? No, I couldn't, soon as she looks at me I fold.
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So why did sparkle trailer start with her punching hoyoverse?
More politics shit?
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>>559152983
>throw loops
https://youtu.be/BsGj7QEQ4eo?
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We're getting a balance patch later this month. She's still garbage right now.
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>>559152453
do it brah, the dopamine rush from being able to throw more arrows more consistently is worth it. It's what Redman would've wantedprobably not cause i bet he'd think gachas are stupid
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>>559151341
Firefly SuperBROKE you
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Didn't think id find an npc that was a bigger piece of shit compared to Paris in Amphoreus
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I superbroke firefly.
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how good is the new BP cone for Sparxie?, does it come close to her sig at S5?
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Left you, because you ain't treating me right
Looking forward, because you never looked back
Over it now, because you went under
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>average fgg capcuck laughing at XRD for years over the game having ''no neutral'' cause of YRC and RC in general
>fast forward a few years and sf6 releases
>suddenly the average fgg capcuck loves skipping neutral thanks to drive rush
you faggots slurp whatever daddy capcom makes
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One day there will be Hoyoverse fighting game. And you will be forced to play it for pulls in the other games.
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Thai food is so nice
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This game peaked with kino back to back and has never been the same since.
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no there won't
you are forgetting that Hoyo keeps making baby mode puzzles for all their gacha games cause they know they have a below average iq fanbase and they also where hesitant on adding more end game modes for genshin during its first few years cause their playerbase has performance anxiety. They would never make a fighting game cause at their core they are a game that challenges the player, and they don't want to challenge their players too much.
>but brand name
doesn't matter. People were sucking the dicks off of Riot for their League of Legends fighting game that took them 10 years to release cause since it's Riot and they have a huge fanbase surely the game would be a hit right? Well guess what, anime discord fighters have better number of players than 2XKO and Riot even culled more than half of the dev team not even a month after it released cause they didn't get the numbers they wanted
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HOLYSHIT I found Vita!
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>you are forgetting that Hoyo keeps making baby mode puzzles for all their gacha games cause they know they have a below average iq fanbase and they also where hesitant on adding more end game modes for genshin during its first few years cause their playerbase has performance anxiety. They would never make a fighting game cause at their core they are a game that challenges the player, and they don't want to challenge their players too much.
I am sad because I enjoyed the Hi3 Vampire Survivors event.
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>>559154306
What if Mihoyo unified all the pull currency so any pulls you earn in one game can be used in another?
People will be incentivized to play all their games daily even if they don't like them, and some might even buy monthlies in the games they don't really play just to divert the pulls to the one they do.
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>>559154928
You might be an evil genius. A true Stoneheart. It would certainly get the people who only play one of their games.
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>>559154306
Give Hua
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>>559154823
>Riot for their League of Legends fighting game
It's so stupid. Riot bought that company because they were making a simple 1v1 fighter. And for a while 2xk0 was supposed to Street Fighter lite. Then these idiots hired their Mahvel friends and turned it into a tag fighter with no direction.
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when's the last time you unironically had to chase healing boost and effect hit rate for a chest piece main stat?
I swear these two are just there to fuck you over with the drop pool
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even though i didnt really like mike and all the other big names for pushing esports during the jive era, it still felt depressing watching him literally breakdown and screaming in those pro talk videos
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>when I see big asses I can't stop thinking about black men
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Hoyo deprived us of this.
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4.2 when? Just had McDonald's milkshake and I can feel my consciousness fading.
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It's hard to think of any character except Critless ones who don't want this set.
Harmony Sparkle is Critless though.
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Sorry, 2nd class citizen! SEA/Asian game, SEA/Asian privilege
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You do realize anyone can play in Asia server yes? Faster endgame rotation, faster banner update, literally 0 downside
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Aetherium Wars jusftified its existence with one song. https://youtu.be/MH19xXj69DE
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I'm a biohole, should I roll for Sparxie? What about her cone?
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>15 mins left
>no Sparxie hype
what went wrong?
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>>559156923
bro I have been LITERALLY ritualposting to roll sparxie every fucking day for the past week or two
I can roll her in about 11 hours
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We're all rolling for Sparxie here.
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I love gunkata!
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>>559157262
all of us
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HSR for this feel?
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Yes, WE
We're all rolling for Sparxiekle
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I blame Mihoyo for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmnSXzICvM
https://files.catbox.moe/l6mpew.webm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivndcMphvm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PpgeCc9EGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUwzsXEeBU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4m8gkqNms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VfsdZK8Uw
Their influence is so powerful that everything becomes Honkai. Even DMC. Now even FF trying to be DMC is just a poor man's Honkai. With HSR being turn-based and FF failing at action, Hoyo will own FF too.
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>>559156923
Global bros are f2p and cant afford to roll.
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The last time I spent was on Cyrene because I fell for fomo so I got lots of leftover jades. Also this game disappointed me by kneeling so easily and censoring an entire region, along with the filler of 3.8 openings my eyes on how empty this game actually is
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I hate shartji, firepag, pagrene, but love hsr and sparkle
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what would you like to see?
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>>559156923
>need the newest chink general to work
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Should I roll Sparxie? I have Yao Guang
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>>559158152
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I miss Sampo.
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>>559158220
Please hurry up and release on NA, I can't take this frustration...also I think THIS will be the image I use for my foot-kissing ritual when I roll a character.
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>>559158271
>black tier ass
>"""white""" men
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>>559148368
you don't magically stop finding young(er) people attractive when you get older lil zoomie
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>>559156680
>I'm a biohole
What kind of hole?
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>>559158223(me)
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>>559154737
Shaoji mandated that every patch have a 6-8 hour main story quest so they no longer have time to make the high effort voiced events anymore. And that isn't a meme answer, they suddenly stopped when Amslopeus debuted.
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>>559158289
Well at least I get her cone
I'll skip the chink and save for SW I guess
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>>559158370
Foot-kissing ritual?
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>>559158716
>#Builtforit
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>>559158672
This picture! It keeps triggering me because of my Nvidia BRICK!
>Foot-kissing ritual?
Whenever I pull a female character, I try to have an image with their feet on it and every time I do a 10 pull I kiss and beg for them to come. I started it with Ciphy, and both her and her cone each came in 1 10 pull doing it. Since then I kept it up and I haven't lost a 50-50 since.
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>Lost to S6 Bailu LC
It's fucking over...
Which F2P LC for Sparxie??
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>>559158747
Asian guy is a legendary player of this game for 20+ years.
Fat guy is basically a random nobody in comparison.
Fat guy wins by abusing the overbearing mechanic designed to allow 10 year olds to defeat veterans.
Fans of the company making this game defend the poor decision making of the mechanics that make it extremely volatile.
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>38 rolls
I didn’t get the Imperators light cone. Will I be able to hit the 75/25 before the banner ends
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And before anyone tries to say Daigo has no reactions because he's old.
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I will never financially recover from this...
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>>559158913
It's over, I already rolled for Evernight and lost everything to hard pity... I can't roll anything now...
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>>559158718
if you played literally any gacha before genshin/hsr you would love 50/50, it's heaven compared to what was accepted before
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>>559159092
>no more funds for anni
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>>559158905I should start doing that. Lost my last three 50/50s.
Sounds like a good idea, seems like it's working too.
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Heh, fuawwkin losers...
You got AHA'd
Feels good to own e2s1 yao and nice amount of pulls for 4.2
Sparxie is kill
Do not roll.
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>know a big hypw favourite character is releasing on anniversary
>save for 5 months skipping everything
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>unload all saved rolls
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>uninstall in absolute seething rage and hatred
idk man 50/50 be bussing
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>>559159269
v4.2 beta next week, bwo
Hold your jades
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>>559159213
there's so many horror stories in FGO, even just on 4chan
zoomies don't know how good they have it...
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>>559159384
I already boughted e2s1 yao
skipping sparxie, I feel good.
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I would rather have extremely high pull income with above average rates and a spark system like Brown Dust 2. You'd end up with most, if not all of the roster after a year. A 50/50 will be second place to that at best.
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>>559159260
Madam Herta is a peerless gem! Madam Herta is an unrivaled genius! Madam Herta is an inimitable beauty! Sad I never got to do the ritual with her, would probably have enjoyed it too much.
But so far this has worked well for me, it will be put to the test again with Sparxie but there is so few foot pics of her sadly...and honestly? When it starts nearing the pity mark it feels better to feel more and more desperate, try to worship harder, plead sweeter, let that subby feeling just flood out and pray she gives you mercy!
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12 more hours for my region
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>Elysian Realm
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>fucking Captainverse
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>>559159823
people ITT couldn't handle gbf's dogshit gacha system, luv me some HYPERLIMITED unsparkable summons
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Ah yes "save 300 roll to roll for limited" except that losing so bad that you have to roll 300 times isnt as common as hoyo's 50/50 garbage. Not to mention everyone is a limited in hoyo scheme compared to arknights having both standard pool always updated with new characters while limited being only 4 times a year, allowing you to save for limited only if you so choose
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You get like 100 rolls a month and the off rate SSRs you get actually add value to your account.
Explain what value was added to this >>559159686
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>and the off rate SSRs you get actually add value to your account.
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>>559160209
Bless the guy, I hope he plays more sidequests once he's done with 4.0
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Speaking of which he is streaming planarcadia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG0gpk98jlY
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>>559160279
>Every limited weapon makes you stronger even if the character itself is a dupe.
Blud is really doing raids with lvl 40 base limited weapons
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>and the off rate SSRs you get actually add value to your account.
You shitter 95% of GBF's non-limiteds are unusable GARBAGE.
You flat-out NEED 300 rolls to get a "rateup" character more often then not as the pool is so diluted with that 95% the "rateup" odds are a complete joke.
And of course, you'll need multiple copies of the latest grand's weapon for their grid to not fall behind.
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>>559159646
If I was doing the ritual with Madam Herta I almost would want her not to come on the 50/50 just so I can kiss her feet for longer!
There definitely aren't many Sparxie foot pics for sure, but out of the few there are they are pretty good. Trying out the ritual for myself tomorrow feels like it will be a little humiliating... I'll definitely do it though!
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next week.
given the date it's very likely that we are getting the first drip marketing the same moment the beta goes live. So now everyone will know for certain if SW actually replaced Eva as the anni unit and plan accordingly
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>>559160397
We all love Seele... and "Seele"!
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>hsrg is a gbfg colony
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>>559160482
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>>559160482
dont care
rolling e6 sparxie and skipping the rest of this tranny planet
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>>559160565
I thought this was filled with ex giggers and alterfags but I guess theres more than just that
there's a lot of kiseki chads too
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>>559160936
I dont have any because I only played fgo
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>>559160713
Stop bullying my account
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If you don’t roll, I doompost that the character failed financially
If you do roll, I doompost that you are bricking your account for not saving for the next banner
Either way, the morale of the general decreases. I win
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>If I was doing the ritual with Madam Herta I almost would want her not to come on the 50/50 just so I can kiss her feet for longer!
You can kiss them after she comes! I always do it in thanks after they come home too, I forgot to mention that part, it is very important! Also to do it for any LC's being pulled! You know, nothing stops you from doing it before slotting her on a team too, as if to beg her to beat your end-game for you...
>Trying out the ritual for myself tomorrow feels like it will be a little humiliating... I'll definitely do it though!
Tell me how it goes! I will be doing it too, praising the brat, worshiping her, laying down every pull I have to see what I can get! (I have 160) It is humiliating, but...doesn't it feel better when it is?~
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>>559160936
Whats a grubba
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forced meme hours
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>>559160936
i only played it to roll cagliostro alts and i play the fighting game seldomly
fgo is my home
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>>559160832
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I quit like three years ago but I logged back in last year cause Grimnir got a new alt so i rolled him and gave him a ring and then left my account to rot again.
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Exactly. The team you start with in FGO from the game's launch is still the strongest team in the game. There is no such thing as a strong character in FGO because if there was a strong character then that would mean others were weaker and that doesn't happen because there is no powercreep. Powercreep as a concept did not exist until MHY came along.
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>>559161630
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>>559160936
My grid for farming M3, but I started getting burnt out around that time because of IRL responsibilities being added. So I didn't get far in farming for it.
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>>559161839
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>>559161014
Hmm..
I've got a bunch more ideas now! More excuses—errr.. reasons! More reasons to do it! Especially for rolling better relics it feels like it should help out a lot. Just begging Madam Herta to let me roll some better relics that she deserves!
That is true, it definitely can feel better. Really feels good if your efforts and worship are enough to be rewarded! And for sure, I'll try to spot youor post that Sparkle GPU pic.
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bookmaker speculation and shitposting was fun. i was kind sad that they killed gw betting. stuff like this would never fly with the modern audience, they would be raising hell with the obvious rigging with the bookmaker cartel on all the social media platforms and jewtubers would be making drama videos about it
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>>559161928
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>>559162031
We've been saying it for over a year now. Bare minimum is having E0S1 Madam Herta.
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>GW in hsr
I'll just do what i always did: leech.
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That is cancer no one needs. If you want teamwork and coordination, play a co-op game or MMO.
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damn, thats a name i haven't heard in years. Whatever happened to them? i remember them telling me in DMs before i quit grub that he was a literal sissy and going out to get fucked by different men and stuff. he was really into BBC too
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https://hsr.hoyoverse.com/gift?code=Sub2Sparxie
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Ty <3
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As you should.
Thankfully the fanbase is quite small compared to hoyo but imagine getting this cancerous shit with all these tryhard faggots and discord autism in a big game like hsr
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I miss leechlists...
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redeemed, thank you saars
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I completely checked out of any grub event after Heart of the Shart
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/ourguy/ poce wouldn't do this...
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I found my name in there
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>/hsrg/ - gbf refugee general
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>>559151574
During his banner aside from his shilling there was Fate shilling AND Firefly skin shilling which ended up being more popular than him. He's a fraud
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5 people already did
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just do it like gbf where every player has their full team and all of you beat up on a shared hp boss with shared debuffs and phase transitions and you can heal, mit and buff each other across parties
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>>559161981
Yes, just reasons! Not an excuse to worship her feet whenever using her in a team! Whenever picking a copy of her in CW! Whenever rolling relics! Just when idle even!
But yea, we will see tomorrow...but don't tease me with the GPU pics already! I hate it so much!
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