>>2338150
There's already a thread: >>2336362

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Major, you are not going to fall for this crude honeypot attempt, right ?

Right ?

>>2338150
Funny, this screen looks a lot like Stellaris

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Bed wench phenotype.

>>2338584
Is my chocolate goddess Darby afraid of xenos?

>>2338695
She hates spiders, same reason anyone becomes a sniper.

>1000 trade value
>saving it for "that moment"
Uhh, when do I spend?
Right now I just fill every supply limit gap with just another SL.

>manpower is not just a reinforcment pool
Wait what?
I should have invested in those manpower generation tools.

>>2338865
yes, WOO is the first OCI you should get

>>2338865
its such a noobtrap if u havent bought it first thing you should just restart you game
you should have 2 woo as soon as possible

>>2338881
To be fair it's fairly poorly explained.

>>2338881
I managed to avoid getting them all killed haphazardly early when I got paranoid that my supplies for deployment was tied to manpower (turns out it was a 10% supply debuff). I am still not sure because the game doesn't explain shit but I try to make sure I only get half the losses compared to my WOO replenishment from a campaign.

>>2338150
>>2338551
>>2338584
My 3 wives. Carda can come too but she's just a side piece

FUCK SKIRMISHERS
FUCK SKIRMISHERS
FUCK SKIRMISHERS

>>2338894
Having a premium stable of waifus in this game wasn't part of my expectations but I'll take it

>>2338881
I managed to recover from a potential manpower deathspiral by just doing a couple missions to rack up oci using almost only vehicles, then built the woo and did another couple of missions to get out of the danger zone. Went as low as 20 men.
Hope it helps anyone that didn't realize how manpower works, no need to restart.

>>2338865
>>2338882
how does it work then?
i bought exwoo early so i haven't really experienced manpower shortages

>>2339070
My guess is that you simply can't deploy if you don't fill at least a 4 man squad or a vehicle

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>>2338970
>be me
>fat fucking cyborg CHUD ready to impregnate some tekker fleshbag FUCKS with my 3 ANTI MATERIAL RIFLE TIER GUNS
>whats that? huh.... cute... you are in a vehicle huh? would be a shame if I took off half your health on your medium walker from concealment...
>*bangs you*
>*bellyflops back into the shadows*

>nothing but alien infestations
please
this shit is so boring

>>2339114
bugs are pure money though, I wish I had some, played 3 operations today (2 redacted, 1 rogue army) and yearn for something simpler

So how the fuck do you deal with MENACE skirmishers? Cause they're fucking up all my vehicles from the FoW and I feel I have no counterplay

>>2339123
For me it's Darby with a range 15 hammer

>>2339117
I've had 4 back to back alien infestations dude
I want to think a little

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No construct or alien ever called me Tekker...

Genuine question, how are you meant to play this game without Darby?

Because this shit is fucking bananas without the concealed vision she provides

>>2339141
Big radar dish or fov drones

>>2339140
what is "tekker" even supposed to mean btw

Tekker is a slur for people who look like Tech
You can say Tekka if you're friends though

>>2338881
im playing on challenging and im at the 5th op with 24 guys left, still havent built any manpower buildings or even upgraded the medbay

>>2339154
It's slang for TCR aka Terran Congressional Republic aka your boss before the mission got fucked.

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>>2339141

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The KBAR sucks, the ARC is better in every situation.

The Crowbar puts out less damage than the ARC in almost every situation but having 9 range instead of 7 can mean not having to move and being able to fire twice, or being able to fire at all so its worth considering.

The wayback will be won with AKs.

>>2339141
Git gud.
When advancing always maintain a plan to deal with contact.
Don't rush your whole AP forward unless you're confident you'll be fine.
Vehicles can lead the way when you have no stealth recon or fancy tech shit, infantry riding alone will get out and look around then get back in.

>>2339123
RADAR or Scanner of some sort to find them. Try to feel out their positions and use smoke to block up their line of sight while you get someone within weapons range to overload them.
You may have to eat a volley from FoW first.

>>2339232
Doesn't menace ignore smoke

>>2339227
The Crowbar is a G3 doe

>>2338150
>shy to having
lmao

>>2339235
Not in my experience. It might depend on which unit. The guntrack things and skirmishers can be easily smoked out. If they can ignore smoke and chose not to, then dunno.

>>2339236
The ARC is the space AK and what will win back the wayback.

>>2339237
Ask me how I know that you're ESL.

>>2339240
ok.
how?

>>2339227
Right now I feel fire rate beats just about anything so I'm in love with SMGs. Sure the range is ass but just shredding shit at close range feels so much better than trading volleys at long range. An SMG with Rend ammo is insane as long as you can get in range without getting suppressed. Which is also why the mobile infantry approach is so good. Just add some anti-tank nades (or C4 charges if you're a big brain) for versatility.

>>2339243
If you can get within the range the SMG is the best option.
So for mobile infantry it should almost always be SMGs. More shots is just too good to pass up.

Rend ammo I found a bit disappointing though compared to AP, there seems to be a limit on armour degredation based on your penetration so rend ammo can't completely rend high armour things.

>>2338865
What? What else does it do besides being a resource to fill out squads with?
>>2338873
I once got to MENACE appearing with 43 squaddies, no WOO, and no buying anymore from the black market
I did get a advanced medbay first though

>>2339246
It's displayed in a dumb way.
It should also count down as you fill out your squads.

>>2339123
Most of the time I pray there's something between my units and them and paradrop Vamplew with the boarding suit + M320 to disable them or just bomb them until I can get close with anyone with a real gun to finish them off. Finding them is always an issue.
Sachin would be better for the job but he has too low APs to do that without external help

>>2339237
German devs.

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Well I gotta say the IFV is so much better than the carrier it's not even funny

>>2339256
What are the IFV's weapon slots like?

>>2339262
Light and heavy. So no real restrictions besides supply cost and your pilot choice.

>>2339262
heavy and a small like the LTC

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>>2339262
Same as the carrier, well they do change aesthetically

>>2339141
Drones, or the Alien motion radar.

Honestly fuck playing like that, I like play this game like a dumber Close Combat.
Stick the enemy in front, suppress and flank.

>>2339245
>there seems to be a limit on armour degredation based on your penetration
Shots that pierce don't degrade armor, yes. This is a bit counterintuitive (logically shooting straight through the armor would also damage it) but that's how it works.

The beauty of Rend ammo, especially on something with a high rate of fire, is that it raises armor damage but lowers armor piercing. This degrades armor faster, but also makes it go lower than it normally would. Which means it does less HP damage on the initial hits but it gets to the point where everything automatically pierces faster, and also ensures that subsequent volleys, from the same unit or another, will fully pierce. So it's fantastic against basically anything that doesn't require dedicated anti-tank weapons, especially stuff that doesn't die in one volley anyway. Which also makes it really good against most Menace units which tend to have decent armor and a shitload of HP.

AP ammo is great in that it (obviously) pierces better, but it kind of has anti-synergy with other types so you need to have everyone on AP for it to be good. Else you get the situation where if AP goes first it does damage but doesn't shred so everyone else doesn't benefit from it, or if AP goes last the armor gets shredded first which is meaningless to someone who gets to pierce anyway. Meanwhile if Rend goes first it shreds the armor for everyone else, and if Rend goes last it does more damage.

I explained it in an awkward way but I hope you get what I mean.

The menace faction needs mortars.

>>2339256
I have not fucking since the IFV nor medium Mech even once.
I also keep hearing that SL order of unlock is randomized but i ALWAYS (5X repetitions) get CEO Guy —> Kody „THE THRONGLER” Greifer —> Loot SL pirate nepo baby lady

>>2339271
From what I have heard it only randomizes if you keep going past 2 in one go.

>>2339271
don't play random seeds
just write the seed you want to play
like 1488

>>2339271
SEEN not since, fuck me

>>2339268
>Shots that pierce don't degrade armor, yes
No I mean there is a point where armour will no longer degrade.
An SMG with rend can reduce a pirate truck to only 50% armour.
But an SMG with AP can reduce it's armour to 0%.

If a model dies his contribution is removed from the armour health pool, so picking off models does do some amount of rending.

>>2339271
In my current game I got Pike and Wetteroth as my first two randoms.

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reminder

>>2339275
>An SMG with rend can reduce a pirate truck to only 50% armour.
>But an SMG with AP can reduce it's armour to 0%.
That doesn't make sense with what I've seen so far.

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for an EA turn based military strategy game, I think it looks really pretty

>>2339277
I wish I could press a button to make all Warhammer babbies die of extreme testicular torsion. You faggots are worst than furries with injecting your shit into literally everything.

>>2339279
it needs some actual city locations and map variety, but yeah so far it looks nice

>>2339278
It was very surprising when it occured to me. I recreated it a few times and I'm fairly sure its not a bug. I haven't seen it happen against infantry only against vehicles but they don't tend to have much armour.

My first guess is if pen chance is 0% when the armour is degraded by 50% it stops degrading or something.

Doing a full infantry run and having great fun, put the mobility gem on everyone and i’m not hurting that much on mobility. And Darby + Kody combo is much more effective at breakthrough than armor is, since they can chew through 2 to 4 infantry squads per turn while taking 0 return fire and tagging armor for my ATGM squad hanging back. Besides, once i get the plasme gun Kody will chew through anything lighter than Stugs by himself
I might consider getting a atgm ATV for the role though

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>>2339280
you can't so you just impotently seethe
seethe more

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>>2339280
>t.

>>2339283
>I haven't seen it happen against infantry only against vehicles but they don't tend to have much armour.
I mean infantry tend to not have much armour.

>>2339199
Tech has an innate 25% defense and like 14 health. Give him the +5% def/tile perk and heavy armour and he's near invincible.
If you stack defense perks you can use him as a scout and not worry. I give him the jetpack suit and an smg and just throw him into the enemy.

>>2338150
I'm tired of seeing women in my military games. If I see one more dogshit boss babe archetype character I'm going to go full schizo.

>>2339292
>>2339287

>>2339285
It's funny when retards try to banter like this.
Literally proving his point.

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>>2339280
nigga, devs definitely aim and try to cater to w40k audience even going so far to poach the guy who did astrates to make intro, also
>muh planetary guard with commissars

>>2339282
it really needs more map variety
I guess thats what those other planets are there for?

>>2338584

I know the commando style gameplay is busted but I have not chosen her even once.

>>2339291
Wrong reply
For>>2339141

>>2339295
>It's funny when retards try to banter like this.
that is rich when its coming from you

So where are the named items and legendary locations???
The campaign screen is also something that needs to be expanded. You click on a planet and then you forget you have a spaceship, it needs more depth.

>>2339296
Yeah, the real issue is you can't be funny, not that you're a 40k tard, you're a low hanging fruit tard.
>>2339300
>no u
Wow.
Great job.

>>2339280
>Woah it's just like le heckin space marines!!
They really are the worst

>>2338551
No1 can stop me from watch this!

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stop arguing guys, you're making Marta sad

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I forgot I was on /vst/, the most mindbroken board in existence due to picrel

>>2339303
have last ((you)) and fuck off

>>2339296

The game clearly draws its inspiration however from more classy tabletop than 40k.

I have nothing against 40k, it has its place.

>>2339302
Agreed, everything in those screens goes way too fast, needs more shit to do. Considering Battle Brothers cutting room floor of immense proportions, shit that never got done, half finished and many mods had to put in, I kinda fear for this game.

I hope they learned from BB and content and mechanics get better introduced.

>>2339302
>>2339309
I'll say they nailed the flavor and vibe of the setting, the interactions between characters are so good
I hope thye will expand a little bit on the other, miro aspects like
>muh immersion
more enjoyable exploration and interaction with the factions, maybe even a little rework on the user interface
which is weird since they have these pre rendered cutscenes already in the game

>>2339308
I accept your concession.
Grow stronger.

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>>2339310

Ill say it again this game is basically Hammers Slammers or the more grognardy tabetop fandom of battletech that focuses more on combined arms. Theres elements of WW2 tabletop wargaming as well.

I bet my ass some German dude on the dev team played Close Combat to hell and back, this game is a turn based simplified Close Combat.

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>>2339310
>I'll say they nailed the flavor and vibe of the setting, the interactions between characters are so good
>I hope thye will expand a little bit on the other, miro aspects like
Character interactions are planned to be a huge part of the game.

>>2339302
>legendary locations
Unlocking special ops as you rank up factions would be a good way of handling this.
Right now I'd rather have more environments. Interior missions, space stations, invading ships, etc

>>2339315
I thought it was just my immagination but
Rewa started being a decent person and even saying "thank you" after Marta started complimenting her
she also doesnt like Jay and I find it hilarious

>>2339315
Well another reason to play 1.0 if theres so much banter to be added.

The game does feel sparse at moments, but personally I always prefered making my own story like Battle Brothers than having it told to me.

I hate the squadies system, but everything else is nice.

>>2339315
I'm shit at math but if I'm doing this right, I think that even with just the current 16 characters, giving each pair their own storyline that means they'll have to make 120 different storylines, which seriously would be insane. I assume by "all pairings" they just mean that each characters has like one or two specific pairing options rather than literally every possible pair getting a story.

>>2339309
>I hope they learned from BB and content and mechanics get better introduced.
doubt it
menace is already much more crude craftmanship than BB but I bet they learned that DLC is the way

>>2339315
I don't care about that shit especially if it gonna be that quality as their current writings

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>>2339227
>crowbar sucks
This slander will NOT be tolerated.

>>2339324

OH yeah, I know they are going to add the banter and a shit ton of DLC and thats it. I dont expect more. I can see some art being added for events maybe.

BB had so cool shit going for it, at least we got cool mods like Stronghold mod etc.

I love the banter. Reminds me of Jagged Alliance and its love for 80s action movies.

>>2339328
>he use chaingun instead of crowbar
you prove him right

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>sniper character with high accuracy but low everything else
>gets a unique melee skill
Was it really worth adding a completely useless skill just to make another Crocodile Dundee joke?

>>2339335
Yes. Games need more sub-optimal choices for the sake of flavour.

>>2339276
how is Pike not in your starting roster
he's the main character

>>2339335
Crackas are pretty much all gimmicky like that. Should have picked another pepo of cola.

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>>2339335
I mean the whole game run on jokes and stereotypes so probably yeah
no

>>2339338
Lim is the main character, with Tech as his sidekick. Pike is the by-the-book chief who threatens to take away their badges if they disobey his direct orders one more time.

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I'm getting closer to my perfect lineup.

>>2339342
Why does your Darby have so much backup?

>>2339335
>another
what's the other one

>>2339342
nta but I set Darby up like a special forces squad, usually with 4 squaddies
More firepower for the silenced Crowbars

>>2339340
first time i've felt that the psycho war criminal character comes off as genuinely scary

thinkin i might start a new run but with infantry only for the start
probably on challenging
i just hope the rng wouldnt decide to fuck me over and give vehicle stuff for the early ops

>>2339324
im happy to financially support the development of this game

>>2339345
meant for
>>2339343

>>2339335
> A Dundee reference.

Unexpected. I remember fondly Linda kozlowski activating my jimmies as a small kid.

>>2339342

We need customisation like camo schemes and I fear we wont have it.

>>2339346
he is actually nice, always ask enemy to surrender

>>2339353
okay yeah i mean he comes off as threatening, not cringe and comical like Rewa

>>2339293
Damn that's crazy, guess I won't be playing then lol

>>2339341
pike is the obi wan to carda skywalker. vamp is lando calrissian, jean is han solo and wett is chewbaccca. tech is c3p0 and lim is r2d2

bog is yoda

>>2339341
Lim is the one with a stick up his ass
Pike even tells the Major to eat a dick when he gets weary

>>2339355
ah sure, he is the nice guy who can fuck your shit up and you know it so you better be polite too

>>2339280
>seething this hard
LAMO

We need another human enemy faction more advanced and professional than the rogue army.

>>2339351
Nah dude, that's an easy inclusion. They'll definitely add in cosmetic items and shit at some point.

>>2339332
Yeah, to finish off the last motherfucker because of AP. Meanwhile. Your spess AK is just a shitty SMG.

>>2339343
Darby deserves her own mech lance for protection.

>>2339292
on the one hand there's a "badass" angry ugly jeeta
on the other, they literally make fun of the girlboss shit (one of Jeannie's blurbs)

c'mon these are the BB devs, you know they're chuds

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>>2339341
Pike feels like the only competent guy in a band of misfits
kind of a Rick Flag in the Suicide Squad situation (the comics/animated films, not the shitty ass movies)

>>2339335

So we have a Rambo reference, Crocodile Dundee, Full metal Jacket, there must be a Commando or Predator. What else?
Honestly a Predator hidden encounter in this game would be so dope, a single Predator annihilating a single team.

>>2339362
I'm sure they will add new factions like Battle Brothers

>>2339362
The Bugs, Pirates, and the RA need a mid game boost, with the Menace getting absolutely BROKEN in the end gane.

>>2339368
He feels like a guy out of starship troopers

the Hammer is so fucking good, lads

>>2339368
He's canonically a SgtMaj, so if promotions worked in gameplay as IRL he'd be maxxed out the gate.

Hope they add more body horror to the Menace designs, I think the Guncrawler looks really fucked up in a good way but the others are a bit generic in comparison. Need cyborgs with protruding eyestalks and shit like that

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>>2339356
Am I supposed to care? Main character syndrome mother fucker

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I also really like the artistic direction, mixing real photos with hand drawn portraits remind me of Highfleet characters

>>2339375
yeah if the cinematic intro is right, we're going to see some fucked up shit

does the campaign currently have an ending?
i've played like 5 ops since the menace showed up and nothing has happened since

>>2339379
Pretty sure Menace showing up is as far as the story goes for now

>>2339372

Disagree, he's way more softy and composed than any of the cartoony fascist in Starship Troopers movie.

Different tone, I dont even have a helldivers feel in this game, feels more nuanced much like the elegant low fantasy setting of Battle Brothers

This is what I like about Germans honestly, even their D&D high fantasy equivalent, Drakensang feels better than your regular Forgotten Realms. The stuff they do is usually very autistic or down to earth.

>>2339379
sort of, you just receive a message that tells you you reached the end of early access (you can still keep playing endlessly but no more additional content)

>>2339378

This is more tongue in cheek than HF, HF is more sombre but I agree overall.

A fucking disgrace HF got abandoned. We never got another campaign.

4th planet and im still fighting only Pirates wtf?

>>2339380
>>2339383
did the devs say how long a playthrough is going to take in the full game?
i've played for 24 hours and i'm already reaching endgame gear
will there be another technology level based on menace stuff?

Wtf I have 40hours already but have not even met late game shit. Time does fly when having fun.

Also I still have the damaged Med Bay. I bet squadies are way more important in ironman.

>>2339388
NTA, I think so.
The menace loot stuff very unsubtly mentions how it can be used for research, so I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of technology tmechanic is added

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>>2339388
No idea but T3 is missing right now, no heavy mechs, no exosuits, no tanks (in latest patch) and I'd assume progression is going to get adjusted as factions are finished, Menace doesn't have many different enemy types yet despite being the end-game guys

Do you like my Pike, anons?

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>>2339394
>forgot to post him
im retarded sorry
>>2339393
>menace doesn't have many enemies
that's what I noticed aswell, its also suprisingly easy to take out

>>2339395
I hate that you can't see unit deployment cost on unit card
the Ui in general is quite clunky

>>2339393
>no tanks
but I kind like how APC change its appearance with different weapons

>>2339397
desu anon you can just, add the numbers together

>>2339400
that is why I said that the ui is clunky

>>2339395
>scapegrace
heh i know that word

>>2339391
squaddies being important was one of the first lessons I learned the hard way
Being more careful and getting the WOO early one helped A LOT

got to the EA ending on expert, that was a fun ride, eager to see more
How likely is it that we end up fighting the full might of the Terran Congressional Republic

Remove the lame ass gacha recruiting

>>2339409
It should at least not get more expensive, really incentives just starting a new game if you consistently get SLs that you don't want to use

>>2339346
for better or worse, he is an actually somewhat realistic merc
and since he is from Wagner, he should have gotten the Disdain perk

>>2339399
what he means is that you could get a StuG from the rogue army prior to the last patch but they disabled it
afaik the IFV is the heaviest vehicle you can get atm

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Post your current squad. Also a reminder that you don't like autocannons enough. They can do everything.

>>2339408
>spoiler
we would die anon

>>2339414
you are just playing Battletech at this point

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>>2339414
this is my current dream team
damn some of you guys spent billions on vehicles

Determined seems like a really strong perk, especially when you lose authority, I didnt expect autho to really mess up incoming suppression so much.

>>2339406

Noted I might install it now then even if iam not on ironman. Makes sense since HP IS Squadies so you will take a whole more damage later game, I am only pre rogue army cutscene in two campaigns at the same time with different SL.

Also is armor piercing ammo for rifles worth it?

Why do people give Darby a sniper?
I just run around with a silenced weapon and camo. Enemy specialist teams only have 3 men, so they always die in one shot anyway. No need to disable them.

>>2339417
>special weapon on the infantry spam guy

>>2339418
>Also is armor piercing ammo for rifles worth it?
I put it on my mobile infantry SMG unit so it can absolutely demolish any and all forms of infantry and its super fun
>>2339419
I gave her the crocodile, its neat against the menace

>>2339417
All of the light walkers and autocannons were found. Rogue Army practically gives them away for free. Medium ones I have to wait until they pop up on the market.

>>2339416
I'm impressed that it works at all. It's nice that the game gives you the tools to play how you want. You need at least 1 infantry for objectives and medevac, vehicle and recovery, repair bay 2 and AI logistics are all necessary, so that fills your entire ship hull. Really wish you could get a bigger ship.There's so many options and not enough room for them. Just 2 more hull spots is all I want.

>>2339425
hopefully in the future the OCI system is improved, would be nice to be able to expand the hull slots too

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>>2339414
Expert campaign just finished, 100 authority, 300 OCI resources in the bank, Level 5 with all factions, 34 dead squaddies

I love value picks like 2squaddie special weapon squads that punch above their weight, naked pike force multiplying, or 1star infantry

>>2339410
its based on SEED
so just use seed and write down what you get

>>2339410
what if you shaped your strategy based on what's avaliable to you instead of picking Pike Lim Carda Rewa and rerolling for Darby every game

>>2339438
Achilleas Pike Darby Carda and I don't use Rewa ever

>>2339227
the 7 range is an enormous downside, as you will be forced to burn AP just to get in range of an attack; and shit like the menace and RA have 9 range attacks, meaning they can shoot you first.

>>2339275
>If a model dies his contribution is removed from the armour health pool
That's because armor (like HP) is tracked per individual element rather than pooled together. If you had 1 single shot that did 1 HP damage, 100 armor damage with 0 armor pen, the guy who got hit would probably take 0 damage but be left with 0 armor durability for the followup shot; which would do 1 HP of damage to his model.

>>2339414
I keep restarting to try and get a first mission on challenging without losing any squadies so C1A2s and hope :D

>>2339434
Pretty much what i do. I prefer Achilles for the defense perks since enemies love to shoot vehicles.

>>2339444
Getting stronger as he becomes more damaged is a fun mechanic too, makes getting hit feel less punishing

I just got destroyed by rogue army on challenging. Time for a new run...

>>2339444
Achilles is insane. Invincible with cheaper shots. You just run him into the middle of the enemy with a mech and unload.

>>2339395
>Do you like my Pike, anons?
>taken mark, buff and standby
>weared 5 class armor
>summary cost like 405+70+40 = 515 supply
No.
Pike is support, even if he have shooting potential.
Your mark is useless sine you should shoot additional time instead of place mark.
Buff is semi-useless, Pike isn't frontline and shouldn't take much damage and wear heavy armor.
But your new tricks? Disruptive fire? Inspiring presence? All wasted.

>>2339395
Based Pike

>>2338858
long tank gun
vehicle-mounted ELSA
anything else you need should be obvious, store doesn't have much you won't get through salvage/rewards yet

>>2338894
support option
in and out quickly

>>2339227
>The KBAR sucks, the ARC is better in every situation.
Maybe if you're completely ignoring concealment and suppression. If you can see someone you can probably pin them with a crowbar. If you're deployed and shooting them with a crowbar they probably can't see you and shoot back (if they even have the range since 95% of guns are 8 and under), and they can't get any closer because they're suppressed.
Plus like you mentioned, since I know deep down you realise the Crowbar is better, that extra range probably means you're getting to shoot a turn earlier so the slight difference in damage is more than made up for.

The only time I used shorter-range guns was on mobile infantry or whatever where I had something that was higher damage/more bullets for guys getting under the support weapon range.
And when I got squad laser rifles because I wasn't not going to use those.

There's probably an argument for giving Darby an SMG with special ammo or something, especially if she's using DMRs instead of the Croc, but on the other hand Darby with late-game ACC growth/buffs can headshot like a quarter of the map with the Silenced Crowbar without moving.

>>2339456
This is accurate.
>>2339395
Pike is a utility pick. If you're spending any supply on him outside of an accessory, you are wrong.
-Standby can be a great perk, but everything else you took is not.
-Target Designator is an accessory that gives you the same effect as Call Out Target, so that perk should never be taken. Bags and belts or Inspiring Presence here.
-Command:Rally is the best perk in the game(unless you're going vehicles or range maxing)
-Any perks after the third are a waste.

>>2339466
>Target Designator is an accessory that gives you the same effect as Call Out Target, so that perk should never be taken. Bags and belts or Inspiring Presence here.
Every target designator you take is a Wardog you don't, Pike is a utility character but that means he needs load bearing rig, secondary ammo box, wardog, wardog, recon drone, mortar

You can also build him as a decent straight front line rifle squad because of This is My Rifle and Inspiring Presence but in that case skip the mark perk

>>2339279
not in that screenshot but yes
i really appreciate all the little touches like the pink mist mixed in with the dust your shots kick up as you're hitting guys

feels like they started out making some serious business realistic milsim tactics thing before realising a sci-fi hybrid would sell better (and be a lot easier to design 3d assets and enemy variety for)

>>2339467
I've done two Expert runs to completion and I've never seen a wardog. I have no idea what that does.
I disagree on the rifle squad comment. It's much more efficient to use 1 star squads for infantry. A 1 star infantry can have double the perks as pike for the same supply cost and have an actual useful innate perk for the role. I would only use pike on that role if i got absolutely screwed on the rng recruitment.

>>2339471
>I've done two Expert runs to completion and I've never seen a wardog. I have no idea what that does.
It's an FPV drone. 40 points to launch it, 40 to dive on and kill a vehicle, you can keep it up between turns and move it around in a 10 tile radius. It does as much damage as a PAL hit with 100% accuracy.

Does the MENACE show up more than once? They popped up on the corpo planet, I merc'd 'em, and I've never seen them again. Finished with the EA content at this point, wondering if I should start a new campaign or keep playing.

>>2339314
All turn-based tactics games feel vaguely like a tabletop game.
I don't know why people keep saying that about this one. Between this and everyone comparing it to XCOM for some fucking reason I guess people really don't play this genre much.

Like wow, this Computer RPG game is sure giving me Dungeons and Dragons vibes.
Yes. That's where they came from. We invented tables and paper before we invented computers. This game is just like chess if the pawns had rifles and you can equip them differently then bring any number of pawns up to a points cost and upgrade each pawn with different skills (which vary depending on the pawn's personality) using a currency you gain over multiple games of chess and also you can call in cruise missiles and stuff if you've upgraded the USS Chess enough by doing missions for the various political factions of the Chess System, it's just like that.

My bet is the developers, who have made one of these games before, wanted to do one with squads instead of single units and everything else is an extension of adding a suppression mechanic to that and they never thought about tabletop games at all.

>>2339475
>We invented tables and paper before we invented computers.
no way, that is just hipster propaganda

>>2339317
Huh. I thought that was maybe just a result of different pairings. But now that I think of it, I remember one Rewa line (because it made me laugh) which I heard literally once, and it happened towards the end of my playthrough.

I figured it just had a really low chance but it would make sense if there's some actual logic behind their lines changing as the game goes on.
Which aside from complex character stuff would be great in a game like this however it works.
Achilleas is a funny guy but if the game ends up being 100 hours long it would be okay if he rotated his material a bit.

lol in advance at what Carda's dark evolution will probably be though since the first thing she says in the game is "let's be careful what kind of memories we make!"

>>2339475

This one more feels more like callback to it than many other mainstreamish turn based games, now I know its not super hexe gronard game. But regardless feels very near to Close Combat series of videogames as I said as well.

The diorama aspect of the game really feels like a love letter to it. And Germans love their tabletop since motherfucking Kriegsspiel.

And they are right, tabletop is still more fun in many ways including D&D than videogames, but you have to have that dreaded thing, actual friends.

Computer squad based tactics games are based on tabletop, yes, but critically, on double-blind rulesets. Anyone who played Battletech doubleblind knows the difference between winning and losing are scout perk and binocs, or the motion detector or even med vehicle active radar, like: >>2339434

>>2339483
>but you have to have that dreaded thing, actual friends.
In that case speaking as a developer I guess we can rule that out.

>Got a lucky plama vehicle gun drop around the time first RA shows up
This thing FUCKS

>>2339474
Yeah currently they just go into the random rotation like any other faction.

And if you do ops on whichever planet you have infected they'll show up as a third force. Kinda funny when they kill your pirate objective for you.

>>2339488
The ELSA? Yeah that thing fucking owns. There's a squad support version too which is alright.

>>2339488
>The ELSA?
Yeah
Even fucking bog was slapping people with that thing.

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so many wrecks

I really like when game give you some extra free teams to help in mission. It really feel much better to have more teams and troops even if they are not supper decked.
I wonder if the game would be more fun if most battles player could field more teams than 4-6 and they were more expendable.
Also I really hate AI running to the map border and camping there. I think Ai in don't work well but at last in player defence mission its much more aggressive(and fun)

>>2339340
whats this guys schtick

>>2339499
he do war crimes and speak russian

>>2339492
>I wonder if the game would be more fun if most battles player could field more teams than 4-6 and they were more expendable.
You can in the midgame and later it's just going to cost you a lot of lives, but double EXWOO and medical bay solves a lot of manpower problems

You could then actually make use of Jagmeet Singh's unique ability

>>2339500
no i mean mechanically

>>2339499
Lim sidegrade.

>>2339362
I have one weapon labeled as designed by Zayn-Beecher which makes me wonder if the factions will turn on you at some point (or if you side with others and raid them or whatever since stuff like that happens in the text events). I can see it with ZB, Backbone already look like cyborgs perfect for shooting, Dice idk.

Obviously that wouldn't work with the game's current structure, but the current way that picking ops works and the faction meters feel really barebones so it wouldn't surprise me if it all changes.
Like, your little ship icon moves around the map, and there's links between planets, but that's currently all cosmetic. Having more depth and needing to choose where you go next while fighting the MENACE spread makes sense.

Surely the difference between planets won't just be tilesets and they've already done most of the work with human factions... the difference would just be variant squaddie models plus gear that already exists/will exist for the player to equip, seems like obvious value.

>>2339503
I built him out as a CQC guy. He gets accuracy bonuses the closer he is to an enemy and can revive his downed squaddies+replenish their ammo twice per combat. I think it's twice, might be once. Equip him with an SMG and REND ammo and he's a beast.

>>2339503
morale damage

>>2339503
he do war crimes (morale damage, bonus damage to morale damaged units, bleed damage) and speak russian (restore health and lower self suppression by chugging vodka)

>>2339507
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Deals more morale damage + more damage to enemies that are wavering or fleeing.

So what leeway does the game give you to demote and respec characters? Do you swim im promotions points by late game?

>>2339512
I've been told you get partial refunds with demotions. But you're never swimming in points. The rate points flow in is 100% constant, depending on your average performance. Most you're gonna get is 30-40ish per mission for perfect 5 star reviews. You could take certain paths during operations to get a few extra, or waste an OCI slot on one that boost promotion points; but it's usually not worth doing so.

>>2339514
I only demoted a couple of times, maybe 3 or 4 times. I am just wondering if I didn’t fuck certain builds. Only have 6 characters now. Post Rogue army cutscene first op.

>>2339492
Hayflick gets wet thinking about getting access to android squads right when the EA content ends.
Maybe that'll actually be a thing. It'd be cool if the MENACE is eventually dialed up so much that you actually need to drop in expendable squads and half the bullshit she rattles off to deal with them.

>>2339505
>variant squaddie models plus gear that already exists/will exist for the player to equip
Why not both? Squaddies are already named, it'd be cool if when you hired guys from Backbone planets they'd actually show up looking like that. Maybe even different attributes? I'm prepared to go to the level of autism of defining how many of Carda's 8 man gangbang entourage are gangsters versus corpo nerds. I have no suggestions on what gameplay impact that would have however.

Alternatively: Backbone medbay tech that resurrects your dudes with prosthetics. ZB private security mercs for emergency recruits or which cost less supply but need to be paid for and harshly affect your stonks if they die. Dice WOO that does nothing but make them saunter and flip coins off their thumbs while idle.

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damn, pike shot his head clean off with the sniper.

>>2339512
We don't have a late-game yet. When I finished at 20 hours I had 4 or 5 main infantry SLs plus 2 vehicle pilots fully or nearly fully upgraded, and 3 others (+2 pilots) I was dabbling with maybe halfway.
So if the game ends up two or three times as long then I'd bet there's a fair bit of room to fuck around.

Plus while I never refunded any I'd probably be a lot more efficient the second time around now that I know which skills are useful: you could definitely go wide with a lot of half-upgraded SLs if you have a specific idea for roles. Meaning you really don't need to fill out every slot on everyone, some characters just don't need half the shit on their tree even if you don't know what you're doing; I was just randomly picking shit on a couple guys by the end.

Imagine if this game wasn't shit and had AI that didn't work entirely based on cheats

Imagine if this game wasn't shit and it had that Xcom dynamic camera that zooms in automatically when something cool happens, so it actually makes sense having all these cool models that otherwise normally look like ants on your screen

Imagine if this game wasn't shit and had random starting SLs

Imagine if this game wasn't shit and didn't have impossible side objectives

What weapons does Tech's ability actually work with? Everything I have found is either something you can use on the move already, a deploy+setup too heavy for Tech, or a sniper which is thematically right out.

>>2339531

The devs actually said they will add action camera.

Dont know about how to realign the other shit

>>2339534
barely any and the ones that do are shit (like the minigun)

Tech is a giant noobtrap that sounds great on paper but sucks shit in practice

>>2339534
>>2339539
Tech is getting the ability to use tripod guns without deploying them in the future. But the animations weren't ready for initial release.

>>2339519
>I am just wondering if I didn’t fuck certain builds
you can compensate for fucked up builds/shit characters with good gear. Don't stress out over it too much, coming prepared and with good recon is way more important than making triple sure Lim has an optimal mobile infantry path.

>>2339534
Any weapon that requires a deploy but not a tripod setup, so stuff like the MMG, sniper rifles, AMR, rocket launchers, mining laser, and so on.

>>2339531
>Imagine if this game wasn't shit and it had that Xcom dynamic camera that zooms in automatically when something cool happens, so it actually makes sense having all these cool models that otherwise normally look like ants on your screen
You mean the shit that's the first thing I turn off in every game like this? Cool, I have discarded your opinions.

>>2339534
Green tube.
Machine guns.
Light mortar.

>>2339539
>Tech is a giant noobtrap
He's fine, especially early game when those couple AP probably matter more. Then later on his skills let him be the kitchen sink support guy you can tack on without squaddies if you want. He's no worse than any of the other mediocre ones you use because you can't bring 6 Darbys.

>>2339544
>>2339530

I am not getting too stressed about it. Its just EA after all thanks.

>>2339550

I have him right now jumping around with shotgun rend ammo because of previous thread people pointing it out, and with the grenade launcher sci fi gun forget the name, quite effective unless a swarm of fucking pirates just fukcing pin him down.

Expert is a bitch if your authority is low, i am starting to think either the devs tone it down, or the determined skill is essential if you dont want to play the game the meta way.

>>2339550
>I turn off the cool things
Congrats, autistic snowflake. Go watch train videos while your mom guzzles down her evening wine.

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This is going to be useless, but it's going to feel good.

>>2339556
>anon recreates the hellbat from first principles

Did they removed their german sponsor agency logo from their Steam page? Can't find it anymore.

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>>2339556
It worked better than intended, at least on pirates.

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>>2339574

>>2339556
What happens when you take two of the same? just more ammo?

>>2339580
They become twinlinked and fire at the same time for the cost of firing one.

any math nerds do the math on the rifles so I can know which ones are actually good

>>2339589
Supposedly the ARC is mathematically the best one.

>>2339589
Crowbar at range, AK and AR clones at mid-range, PDWs and shotguns at close range

It's pretty intuitive desu

You actually get way more benefit from heavy armor with 8 man squads instead of tiny man squads because the hits get distributed over more units

no I haven't mathed it I know it intuitively

supply drop is way too good against the menace due how to many bullets those fuckers can tank

>>2339593
Well yeah, just like you get more benefit from infantry weapons with bigger squads because more guns. Squad size should depend on how many squads you want and what you're going to use them for.

where do marines get their protein
in de wheyback

>Menace and Mewgenics came out within a week of each other
Jesus christ, been waiting years for both of these. I'm supposed to be looking for work right now.

>>2339597
Eat the bugs. Also the Major's cum.

>>2339237
that's grammatically and syntactically correct though? You should have pointed out that the correct word is "Although" not "Though" in that sentence.

>>2339593
I really dislike how they make SQ and squaddies cost extra based on stars so you field less teams. especially if you stack perks on it.
Like full squad Debra cost 120 extra, with 8 perks another 120 extra. Marta cost 20 extra for full squad, with 8 perks extra 40. That is 240 vs 60.
In general I dislike the new growth potentials and exp. It make switching SL or replacing losses(in SL) harder.

>>2339602
Debra's near maxed out stats, Marta will never ever catch up to Debra in a game because stats gains are gained based on the difference to match cap, it slows to a crawl as you get above average.

The only advantage that Marta has is when she's fully perked out but Debra has exclusive access to concealment and assisntation perks, Debra will still pound for pound outshoot everyone and hose shit down right out of the box vs any 1 SLs that you have trained.

She's great as an emergency supply filler if everyone you have is shot to shit and exhuasted.

>>2339605
Yes. That is why I dislike this system. At last if we had like 3x more SL then it would be fine but so far its not.

>>2339440
>That's because armor (like HP) is tracked per individual element rather than pooled together. If you had 1 single shot that did 1 HP damage, 100 armor damage with 0 armor pen, the guy who got hit would probably take 0 damage but be left with 0 armor durability for the followup shot; which would do 1 HP of damage to his model.
Armour is tracked as a single pool added to by each model.

Armour durability degrading is not on a per model basis but squad wide.

>the 7 range is an enormous downside, as you will be forced to burn AP just to get in range of an attack; and shit like the menace and RA have 9 range attacks, meaning they can shoot you first.
Thats the 'worth considering' part.
Menace have long range attacks but they're big dumbos that are a huge health pool to chunk through, which even if you need to step forward a couple tiles the ARC will do much faster.

Obviously there is a place for range, the guns are sidegrades depending on situation and style. Its the KBAR that just straight up sucks.

>>2339465
>Maybe if you're completely ignoring concealment and suppression.

I'm not, there's a lot of good long range tools for suppression it doesn't necessarily have to come from your standard rifle. The crowbar is not that likely to suppress stuff that isn't fairly weak. The chance of doing anything at 9 tiles of range is pretty low unless the enemy is made of paper. The Crowbar has to be fired twice to keep up / get ahead, which is AP ineffecient and ammo ineffecient.
Against bug warriors at 9 tiles you can step forward twice, deploy if you have athletic, and fire once with the ARC you'll strip a lot of armour and might kill 1(30%).
The same thing with the crowbar shooting twice you're less likely to kill 1 model(17%).
And you've expended 1/6 of your ammo pool. The ARC only used 1/16 of it's.
The Crowbar isn't useless, it is not always better.

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Give us the ability to load infantry onto the top of armored units please

>>2339610
>Armour is tracked as a single pool added to by each model.
>Armour durability degrading is not on a per model basis but squad wide.
Also I was talking about vehicles where armour degredation stops working at 50% armour durability. Those are single models and there's no multi model shenanigans going on.

>>2339613
>forget you put ERA on your tank
>mount infantry
>friendly fire squadwipe

>>2339589
SMG is best up close.
ARC is best midrange all rounder.
Crowbar is good when the ARC doesn't have enough range to hit them.

The special PDW smg that has more pen and range is worthwhile over the PPP if you see it, mostly with hollowpoints. 5 shots per guy, 18 health damage, 20 penetration is nuts.

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>>2339615
lol and you know this game would do that shit too

>>2339335
Considering how many times bugs keep plopping their asses right beside a character for a melee attack i think it is oddly appropriate.

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Objective tier-list of Impetus armaments:
>S-tier
Anti-personnel mines
Supply drop
>B-tier
Laser turret
>Garbage tier
Everything else
For real, if you slept on supply drop, go and grab it. It frees up A LOT of supply points you'd otherwise spend on ammo bags.

>>2339619
Does supply drop apply to one unit or all of your units?

>>2339382
>Disagree, he's way more softy and composed than any of the cartoony fascist in Starship Troopers movie.
Rico.

>>2339621
One. But it restores everything (including injectors and such)
Also there's 2 supply drops for each module you install. 2 modules should be enough, it's 4 crates. The rest of the armament slots can go to mines, since you don't really need anything else anyway.

>>2339409
>>2339410
I find it strange hiring your Marine guys costs a lot of discipline. Weren't they all on this voyage together? Not like having to deal with arguing with Jagmeet about ????? all day being the new thing.

>>2339623
It's funny to solve missions with 1 or 2 cruise missiles and drive straight into the exit without doing anything.

>>2339619
>>2339623
It is fair that attack call ins are generally fairly useless, how are you running out of ammo often though?
I've got 1 ammo bag and have only run out of ammo when dicking around doing cleanup of the last straggler with a single unit while the other 9 sit on their ass waiting.

>>2339635
He just needs to have his tricked out ride with Achilleas, a promoted maxxed Darby, and bring everyone for every mission with max squaddies with bleeding edge gear. Damn the consequences.

>>2339635
What the >>2339639 said.
Achilleas and Darby run out of ammo all the time. In my current run, Tek does as well (he's carrying a MMG with jetpack suit)
Also, injectors. Being able to refill injectors is pretty huge.

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this perk seems really good for killing the menace.

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>>2339641
Quantity has a quality all of its own.

>>2339629
You should get free manpower for that on the first just because the locals gape when the TCR flexes.

>>2338584
How do you build her? As much concealment as possible with long range suppressed weapons or stack concealment to run in and spam SMGs or what?

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so fucking many...

>>2339653
Im no expert but I usually make her into a spec ops fire team, 4 squaddies, equip her with silenced crowbars, a sniper rifle
Shes awesome at ambushing enemy squads and picking all of their specialists off

I wish i could save loadouts, i have to constantly cycle between my A team and B team and also chenge individual SL loadouts.

Looking at my current game it appears the best armor per supply is
>S Tier: Extreme 6
>A Tier: Marine 3, Small Arms 4 & 3
>B Tier: Pirate Boarding
>C Tier: SIPV 2+, Soft Armour, Scav Suit
>F Tier: Fatigues, Load Bearing
Is there any need for more than Marine 3 & Small Arms 4? It's not that much less supply efficient than Extreme but obviously it's overall cheaper and you get the extra slot. Leave the Extreme 6 for Jean and throw her toward the enemy to soak fire with her cheaper armour.

>Yaz and Carda get along
Cute
The problem with having Carda be a fixer is that she often kills whoever she's suppressing before the flanking elements can get into position.
There's no way they don't nerf this AGL, is nuts. The LMGs also are insane.

The difficulty is way too dependent on RNG. The first time I tried expert, I got filtered by pirates after never getting any anti-armor options and vehicle modules, neither as rewards nor in the shop.
I tried it a second time, and I got an infantry laser weapon and a large tank gun on my second and third operation, and it's been a walk in the park ever since, even against rogue armies and constructs.

>>2339531
>imagine if it had this gay fucking action camera so my birds eye tactical view can randomly become some shitty killcam
Fucking retarded zoomer, I hope you get syphilis. Do you actually think Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 is better than 2 cuz of the first person mode like my 5 year old does?

>>2339692
I got Rewa and she turns any vehicle into mincemeat. Once she got the long tank gun and the damage skill she was one-shotting anything that wasn't a rebel heavy tank.

>>2339531
>impossible side objectives
timelet zoomer detected.
what's wrong, you can't handle the pressure of an optional turn completion reward?

>>2339589
Implying that you play above normal:
Modded ones:
Socc for Darby
Hi-cap for melee range
Cqb as more ranged alternative to hi-cap
Need to test range kpac with hollow point ammo. I almost sure it should be great vs sub-40 armor targets.
Hammer.

The rest is overpriced for their stats. Maybe certain weapons will be worth their price with certain ammo, but between ammo cost up to 25, and 36 price for mod it's 61 supply so idk.

Non-modded:
kbar 22/25 hp/armor dmg, 9 range, 35 pen have chance to pen up to 60 armor), dmg falloff 50% on 7 range, max acc 7 range.
kpac 27/27 hp/armor dmg, 8 range, 30 pen (have chance to pen up to 55 armor), dmg faloff 50% on 5 range, max acc 7 range.
arc 36/39 hp/armor dmg, 7 range, 20 pen (chance to pen up to 45 armor), dmg falloff 50% on 7 range, max acc 3 range.

Basically it's arc for high aim leaders/close range and kbar for long range.

>>2339682
>F-tier
>load bearing
Do you just not have a dedicated support squad or something

>>2339703
I'm only playing on Normal so it probably doesn't matter much. My ground squads are crowbars, infantry ammo and whatever anti-tank specials they can get, while my vehicles autocannon & machine gun everything problematic to death.

>>2339682
Your post lack math.
Post enemy pens and your cost efficiency armor vs this enemy.

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Which anti-tank weapons work well against the bugs? I get that stuff like the alien queen, blaster bug and bombardier are "vehicles" by ingame logic, but they die pretty quickly to small arms fire, so I stuck to those

>>2339708
Laser on apc work very well. Also i used pirate launcher on Darby, it have terrible acc for use if on Carda.

>>2339708
Wardogs, PAL and antimaterial rifles all slap bugs

>>2339708
>I get that stuff like the alien queen, blaster bug and bombardier are "vehicles"
They're actually not. They're classified as infantry which is why AT grenades don't do shit to them. But yeah anything works really. Autocannons, any of the AT launchers.

Does the menace have morale? I've managed to make a guncrawler flee. Not sure if it's a bug or they do have morale just very high.

>>2339718
All vehicles have morale for some reason

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I thought there were no plasma rifles for infantry, haven't seen anyone post them so far.

Got them from a post op event

>>2339721
Yeah I got that, it's good. I don't think there are any infantry weapon versions, just a specialist version and a vehicle version.

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So I've been savescumming the event to see the other rewards and it's 5 possible ones.

-Plasma rifle
-Light mortar
-Heavy machine gun
-This thing which is likely a bug
-And failure (-5 OCI)

I actuallyreally like how this game pushes me to find new retarded gimmicks that somehow work like

>>2339422
Lim is the infantry spam guy for me, Singh so far has been my suppression machine + that fucking thing fucks both vehicles and big bugs, this pog saved my ass so many times

>>2339725
>So I've been savescumming the event to see the other rewards and it's 5 possible ones.
Oh event's rewards can be savescummed, good to know. Missions rewards can't as i know.

>>2339715
>They're classified as infantry which is why AT grenades don't do shit to them
This got patched in the 2nd update, so now AT grenades and ATGM's can hurt large bugs.
>>2339708
For single big bugs, then the single shot big anti-tank weapons. ATGM, Long Tank Gun, Laser Lance, Infantry AT (RPG, PAL, Recoiless).
For 3 in a squad bugs, it's the same as the 3 in a squad menace. The Elsa vehicle weapon, Autocannons, Crocodiles, and AT stuff if you can spare the rounds.

>>2339727
>Oh event's rewards can be savescummed, good to know.
Yeah but I keep the first result, I only do it for curiosity

>>2339744
I mean Franky trick me with her video and i see nothing + she steal 10 oci, while i saw a screenshot here where Franky send real video AND give to anon 10 oci.
I'd savescum this just for pure autism.

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Here's a neat interaction:

You know how you have to deploy to use laser designation?
Tech can use it without deploying, just like weapons, so he actually makes for a pretty good designator.

Also somehow I can also use the Rogue Army designations on the Menace lmao

>>2339610
>I'm not
>Proceeds to completely ignore concealment

>>2339721
I got both version from the store. The vehicle one slaps, the infantry one doesn't feel as good for some reason given the other options available (or maybe it's just that archilleas is better at hitting things with it than whoever I gave it to).

>>2339722
There is a squad primary laser rifle, however. Which rules.
But that's pen rather than a rend effect and the description even says "good for you, not so helpful for everyone else".

>>2339615
If a vehicle gets hit by something strong enough to set off the ERA, it's not the ERA that's doing the squadwipe.

A better candidate would be APS, as that is the exact reason that it hasn't been widely adopted yet.

I like the gun sound effects in this game. That’s a big part of tactical turn-based games for me and it’s something the Xenonauts 2 devs really shit the bed with. Not only you’re staring at a bland graphics even the shooting sounds gay as fuck.

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I love this frenchboo making armors cheap to wear.

I am struggling to understand why i should ever bring less than full squad on anything other than support Pike/Specialist weapon spammers.
Like people are saying Darby gets 4 squaddies as standard? Why? Why would you cut the DPS of your most-killy squad in half?
Why make her a DMR carrier when she can take a silenced crowboar to mulch any infantry in 1 action and designate armor for atgms with the other?
Why would i want to halve Kody’s alpha-strike damage by giving him 3 squaddies unless he’s running around spamming the Elsa?
It doesn’t even help with the action economy, why have 2 goes to kill an enemy with 2 half squads when i can just murder death kill the enemy unit with a full squad and have it not act at all?