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Buggerino

>>2344540
Fuckin A

>>2344556
Stupid ass motherfuckers

>>2344536
That Zama negro is clearly AI generated.

>>2344540
>laser lances a hive queen
>"poor lil' bugger"

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Damn fighting the rogue army is super fun, precisely because they are professionals. You can expect what they are going to do and you need to be really careful in advancing.

>started a new run on expert with tech, carda, greek boi and lim
holy, didnt realize how hard darby + pike carries your early game, greek boi is super expensive and carda is hot garbage at the start, didnt help that my first ops were pirates

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Why do I need to fucking chase these pirate boarders to the ends of the earth?

>>2344598

You know what the game needs and other tactical tabletop games and close combat had? A truce button.

After a certain threshold the enemy is fucked and should either flee or just give the option to finish combat with surrenders.

>>2344536
the game is offensively mediocre why is everyone sucking it off? I know we havent had good tactics games in a while but come on this is just sad
even overwatch spam in nu-com has more depth than anything here
they should have just made another bb game

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>Can't drive over because there's two guys on the other tile.

>>2344612
Yeah pretty annoying.

>>2344612
>can't just run both of them over
gay
big L
massive oversight

So how are anons building their Cardas. Are we just going for a machine gun or mortar team that just sits in place and sprays bullets? I kinda want to use her as a mobile infantry thing with an AT weapon and infinite shots, rushing around the map and deleting hard targets before zooming off.

>>2344620
HMG mobile infantry, I leave the hard targets for my tank

>>2344620
>I use Carda in two roles, depending on the mission. She's either a rifle squad with a useful heavy weapon, typically an RPG or LMG, and I abuse her kind of amazing accuracy once trained to lay fire upon foes, or she's a dedicated emplaced team, usually with a rifle section alongside her, which lets me bring dedicated AT weapons and use the squad to clear infantry. I don't tend to deploy her as MI, but thats mostly because I've kind of stopped using vehicles to transport at all.

She isn't useless enough for me to dedicate her to mortar bitch duty, thats an "honor" that goes to Jean Sy. What you described will 100% work, get her a decent RPG and a good rifle section and she can do outstanding work.

>>2344627
I don't know why I did this as a quote, I'm not quoting you, I'm just retarded.

>>2344620
PAL because her voiceline for firing an RPG is adorable (and having nearly unlimited PAL ammo is nice)

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>>2344612
/vst/ is lost to some ai slop based on tiles and turns

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>random stowaway just gave me a plama gun
>I just finished my third Operation
Stevemre1989SayingNice.jpg

when does menace actually show up how do u see progression?
when do u get better gear drop
i have lvl 4 trust with all factions

>>2344655
Seems tied to number of operations attempted, I remember it popping up once after I decided to abort an operation
Also probably tied to number of operations attempted, I started seeing medium mechs for sale a few operations after menace turned up
Some items are faction rewards only apparently, like the marine armor

>>2344653
Unless you use it in a heavily specialized 3 man squad that wants it firing at all times it kinda sucks tbdesu

I wish I had more supply points

>>2344676
Vader's mod can help you. Or cheat engine.

>>2344672
Yeah, I know that it is not as good as the light vehicle weapon version. But the game is starting to throw armored bugs at me, and it munching them, so it's doing fine.

>>2344683
yeah but i dont really care to have that running side by side, triggers me tism (the melonloader thing)
but if I can just increase it a bit once and then uninstall and keep that increased supply then maybe

>>2344672
>>2344684
It mulches light armor with tankbuster.

>>2344684
The vehicle version has the same stats

>>2344536
The tank gun is fucking great. One shotting any light vehicle at long range with much better accuracy than rocket launchers.
With a machine gun in the other slot you can drive around not being afraid of anyone.

>>2344710

It is, and if you et it early its a god send against armor. Wish they put more cool armor into the game.

>>2344565
giwtwm

is this game gonna add space boarding missions? it would be kino
there's no official mod support right but there are mods and i guess people could just add them

>>2344725
I want urban missions, underground missions, missions in snowy sex casinos, missions on farmland, missions in huge megafactories.

Armour should be around 15% cheaper on average.

>game has an arbitrary "max loadout" limit
cool, heaven forbid the player has performed so well that they've earnt the right to bring along the biggest gear. gotta arbitrarily cripple the player!

Needs more sci-fi stuff. We got space pirates ok, but how do they even get to the planet? How come their bases have no space landing craft or anything, only current day hardware? Imagine if they could use dropships too.

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What stuff are you waiting for the most?
I can't wait for them to add heavy mechs, then I'm gonna start blasting this all the time while "scouting" the enemy with a full lance of heavy mechs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLHP3icECM

>>2344739
those and proper tanks would be grand.
I want a spess Leo 2

battletech is gay as fuck, it's fans are all the type of american faggot that gets too excited when talking about how cool or strong something is and puts emphasis on odd words when they talk.

>>2344743
Found the faggot.

I'm a Yuro and love Battletech.

>>2344742
What if we get two kinds of tanks? Dedicated tank tank like leo and something that can also move around a squad, like a merkava.

>>2344710
Laser lance is almost as good but still allows you to put troops in the back

>>2344747
>and something that can also move around a squad, like a merkava.
The existing IFV is basically a Space Namer so if you put the APFSDS gun on it you already have a Space Merkava

>>2344620
Atgm team with nearly infinite ammo. Doubles as boarding marine power armor smg hoser once her skill comes online.

>>2344743
Fuck off Europeon.

>>2344755
Wow, here I was defending you and you drop that. Why don't you go blow your gay administration some more, pedobootlicker?

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>>2344739
I hope the game does not turn into full mechanized warfare, sure I would play a mech game done by them but I want combined arms. But I wonder how heavy mechs will look. Hopefully not like battletech kidna sick of it really.


A series of mecha in terms of design that would fit like a glove in Menace would be "realistic" Gungriffon mechs, that mostly act like gunships with semi walk semi hover mode to fire missiles\rockets and autocannons.


Speaking of cool mech games I am still waiting for signs of life on Kriegsfront tactics, the demo was really cool. They even gave a cool diorama maker to make cute mech scenes.

>>2344742
I think we will see a space tiger, no really, why did they give the RA a stug of all things.

>>2344757
>europeon cant read
SHOCKED.
>pedodefender
So the only administration to arrest, seek and release the files somehow supports pedophiles? Meanwhile virtually ALL EU politicians outright support and enable pedophiles? Every accusation is a admission from a leftist.

>>2344763
The Stug is a place holder.

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>>2344743
It became the reactionary anti 40k, and for that I forgive my Murican friends. Battletech ( especially the recent turn based game) has issues but its cool as fuck as well.

And you know how reactionary USA can be. But I respect them nonetheless.

>>2344767
Really placeholder for what?

>>2344770
besieged ahh graphics

>>2344773

I know but its smoll indie game. have to cut them some slack, its still pretty decent and punchy weapons as well. I hope they make it.

Speaking of Mechs theres actually a new Heavy Gear game being made. I wonder how shit it will be.

The VOTOMS type armored suits would look right at home in Menace.

>>2344778
Or the Mog from Brigador. But that might be the "2nd teir" boarding commando armor, as that shit weighs you down.

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How do you make this stupid cunt work?

>>2344778
Would those count as ultra light mechs or super heavy body armor?

>>2344785
Vanguard recon under 100 supply limit.
Just slap kbar in 9 peoples squad work too.
It's 1 star leader, he cheap af, you can do anything with him.

>>2344785

Ultra cheap BIG damage sniper or crowbar support behind an assault team. can get to 90 AP pretty quick and only needs that.

Athletic \ if It bleeds finisher finishing shot

Give him a nice sniper or the anti material rifle. If some dude in your squad also has disruptive fire his damage is insane. Limited in terms of roles, but I love low supply one stars.

Alternatively you can use him as a bootleg Darby.

>>2344746
You are spiritually american and thus are worse than an actual american.

>>2344786

I would guess similar to chicken walkers but faster movement and lower armor. Votoms are not battle suits but are on the border of it. But are still "vehicles".

Is it just me, or is the Kr-BaR (crowbar) just too good? It completely negates the K-PAC and the ARC, which is bad weapon design. I simple fix would be to remove the "spray" functionality except for the MOD2 carbine. This would punish being too aggressive with the crowbar and balance the starter weapons.
>no spess FAL and short shorts
Big sad.

>>2344800
>worse
Which is still better than the greatest Eurotrash. Your own leaders are actively trying to kill you, that's how trash Europeons are.

>>2344803
As to it's namesake, it's a tool, it does very well in it's intended role. But higher rate of fire of other weapons can be more much efficient in different situations.

>>2344803
it absolutely sucks if the enemy closes in on you, you're fighting with diminished vision due to night/weather, or you're fighting bugs or pirate boarding commandos

>>2344805
Yeah subguns absolutely FUCK but you need to get into range, loading up REND ammo should be a fucking warcrime, that shit allows subguns to sandblast vehicles into the great garage in the sky.

>>2344810
Spray negates this somewhat, it's not ideal but still prevents you from being totally fucked.

>>2344804
This is why Americans are worthless, you instantly start throwing stones in glass houses, note how I merely point out the undesirable characteristics of your kind and you eagerly present ever more repugnant qualities.

>>2344803
It definitely feels stronger than the other medium to long range basic rifles. Either you get a close range weapon or you get the Crowbar.

>>2344810
>night+blizzard/sandstorm+bugs
That shit is a pure nightmare on your first or second mission, the bugs retain almost all their detection and as mostly melee aren't affected by the debuffs.

Pirates on the other hand do suffer, and boarding commandos are usually special objectives or use their jetpacks and can be heard coming from a great distance if you pay attention.

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>>2344814
Reminds me of that classic scene from Gits movie for sure.

>>2344763

>Tiger

Fuck me they might put a pseudo Leopard 2A4 the blocky design really harkens back to tiger. It woudl be really cool.

>>2344824
Yeah its a shame since the M4 look alike kinda looks promising in the first missions but its just bugs.
People need to just share their experiences with the devs.

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>>2344820
>no-u
Struck a fucking nerve did I?

>>2344820
>be eurostanian
>start insulting everyone in the thread
>can't take the insults back
>cries
Your kind truly deserve extermination.

People who like battletech do have annoying voices tho?

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>its a pirate rocket truck episode

>>2344832
>Tex
>BigRed
>Pancreasnowork
>annoying
Stop coping and fucking leave.

I dont like fighting the menace

>two weeks after release
>AI still shit

It's ogre... the devs are too incompetent to finish this game. Refundies time.

>>2344836

War dogs made me see the light, find those fags and blast them fast.

>>2344836
Its why I always have at least a bit of armor on my guys

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>>2344770

>>2344842

Squadies dying kinda triggers me, I have to remind myself they are just HP and more main firepower. I kinda wish this was a more traditional xcom style game so i can create my own dudes.

>>2344536
>PC overheating
What, I have a shit GTX1660 super cause my main card died and the game barely pushes it.

>>2344818
Why not just engage at range with a squad weapon good at that (DMR, Crocodile, CMG, etc) and if they get closer blap them with an ARC

>>2344849
From what I understand from steam forum game somewhat override your desktop settings(and pass over FPS locks) and it tend to push forward and overheat on specific settings and hardware(the better GPU and monitor the worse issue), there are even the causes of game shutting down PC.
After last patch it usually sit under 60C on missions unless its Menace then it goes over 75C.
Dunno what it is but I have similar problems with unity games before, shit fucked. I don't like it at all.

The ATV kind of fucks, it's a better scout than anything with the improved sensor module

>>2344836
soft armor and good cover

if you're wearing pajamas you better end all your turns inside an APC

also drones like the other guy said

>Try out putting a sl inside an APC 24/7 and just popping out to use a mining laser
>Works like a fucking charm, absolutely maims all aliens that manage to get close to the APC.

Damn that's really fucking good.

>>2344854
Turn off vsync and limit FPS to 60, that's what kept mine below 65C, before that it was pushing over 80C constantly

>>2344861
yes, I did it all, it helped a little(not much)

They really need to add a big ass warning that it is a night time mission because I am retarded and I keep missing it on the mission briefing

>>2344855
Give it a atgm, camo and sensors and drive it around tank-busting. Very fun solo even more so when combined with tech using binocular spotters

>>2344865
Always check the day and weather with the little widget in top left of the map intel screen.

Darby with nvgs skulking around cutting pirate throats and hosing down open topped mechinf with socom rifles feels great. We need melee ability where if you get close to a unit without being spotted you can cqc merc em all. Would be kino.

i hope theres a patch tomorrow with something new
either models for armors/weapons or some new mission types
or even a new squad leader or two

>>2344877
patches will be released monthly

silenced crowbar is so important im afraid to start a new run

>>2344881
Have you used the silenced m4 or hammer?

>>2344879
did they say that on the discord or somethin?

>>2344885
patches will be released every 2nd month

>>2344886
ok well now you're just frickin lyin to me

>>2344888
patches will be released every 3rd month

>>2344882
the silenced m4? do you mean the kpac? its damage is so weak compared to the crowbar when shooting at things at max range. ive not found a silenced hammer

I hope stealth is and concealment builds are nerfed, this shit is so boring and fucked.
Make shitters actually learn to play the game.

Also make the AI stop running away from me.

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You guys ever notice it's Marta's Martian Expeditionary Force storming the facility in the cinematic trailer? She really is the main character.

walkers are for defense missions and APCs are for assaults

what's the A-ATV for?

>>2344908
It's cheap. Medium vehicle weapons can be really good.

>>2344908
Putting a 120mm howitzer in with ivey and exploding/suppressing jits

>>2344917
Sorry i misread. Throw a hmg or atgm on it cheap and zoom around blasting

>>2344906
Then who is the guy with bash armor she sent off to get fucked?

have they fixed the terrible decision to let you and the enemy fire through buildings as if they dont even exist

>>2344927
They're gonna keep that forever.

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which is pre patch and which is post patch?

>>2344859
If you're fighting bugs, literally everything within 3 tiles will die to a volley of shotguns from 8 guys. Don't even need the mining laser.

>>2344803
Crowbar is great unless you need to actually put meaningful damage onto an enemy or suppress someone in cover or fight up close.
>b-but it's the best for slow max range crawling
Yes as it should be, that tactic going too unpunished is a broader problem than just the crowbar being fit for it.

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>>2344620
Currently as dismount.
Biggest problem is that she needs to ht the 90 ap so you can jump out shoot twice and jump back into safety.
And giving her special weapons is not perfect, with athletic you'll get 1 use out of something like the pal and without you'll have to stay in the open.
So I'm not sure I'm happy with her in that role compared to Lim for example.
It still allows you to get a squishy squad up close to rip and tear with impunity though.

>>2344942
Trvke

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Anyone tried this? Its pretty funny on a 3 man Darby squad.

>>2344620
I'm currently running both.
>heavy weapons perks + mobile infantry
>put her in the christian-piloted heavy APC
>send it forward
>dismount her right into the best, most central piece of cover, including the APC as bonus extra cover
>murder
Minigun works best for this, that 4-tile shot can be the biggest damage dump you can do with one action afaik but its short range and lack of enemy density normally holds it back

>>2344927
that is by design

>>2344759
>full mechanized warfare
That word doesn't mean what you think it means, but I get where you are coming from. For different reasons though, nerf the sci-fi gadgets except mechs? Makes me think it was a stealthy attempt to make a mechwarrior game.

>>2344786
I don't know about VOTOMs but Heavey Gears can crouch in a prone position and even though the show was given shit for sucking the roller skating they do is fast. So if it was going to be Menace mechanics then they'd be hit-and-run or firing off from concealment (despite the fact that vehicles have poor concealment).

>>2344885
Patches will be released in randomized intervals of time, sometimes shorter sometimes longer.

>>2344942
That tactic will always go unpunished unless they make the AI super aggressive if you get spotted once. The punishment for going for open firefights means risking getting fixed by artillery, whereas the concealment creep is the exact counter to enemy artillery.

so any mods you guys are running?

I wish there was a cheaper transport with less armor and only a small weapons slot, but the cost and armor of an A-ATV, like a space M113

>>2344959
Heavy Gears are just VOTOMS. Curiously I never saw that weird show muhc like Battletech one.

But I did a deep dive into the world and lore of Heavy Gear and I kinda liked it way more than battletech, Less bloated and more elegant.

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Another well executed defense mission, I am sure the local forces are glad to have me on their side.

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Menace may as well just crib as much as they can from XCOM 2.
Give me a cross section of the ship with your SL and squaddies just lounging around/training.

>>2344981
Add in a "FTL" style ship combat system and the game is near perfect.

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>first playthrough feels starved for gear and ended when most of my roster died during a spectacular shitshow of a mission
>second playthrough is giving me way more gear, I haven't seen mission difficulty beyond two skulls for some reason, and the RA have apparently decided that they're playing a cameo role and basically never show up
>both are on normal difficulty
I know the games randomises a bunch of stuff but this feels whack.

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>>2344536
God i love me some mobile infantry.

>>2344536
I didnt hire any women on my squad.
Got the Chinese dude, the redneck, the boomer and the black dude to start.
Then i got the Aussie guy, and now i just acquired the Spanish dude.
This has let me keep the woke retardation of the game in the background for the most part so far.

>>2344980
>We did it Patrick! We saved the outpost.

>>2344672
Why a 3 man squad?

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>>2345010
Except half of your squadies are women.

I am not judging you, I dont mind the female squad leaders but the normal troops there should be 1 women in 10 man or more.

>stop migration mission
>give Bog a light walker with a heavy flamethrower and two ammo boxes
>he walks around frying squishies and stepping on the poor lil buggers while tripod autocannon Lim and AT rifle Darby hold the flanks, with Carda and Rewa in the middle with PAL and laser lance for the bigguns
>lay AP mines across the map from orbit
>drop supply
once you're well kitted out stop the migration / interdiction are basically tower defense

>>2345028
Squaddies are harder to see and will be a lot easier to mod out.
The campaign and plot has been garbage so far, i dont even think ill miss any of it if theres some entire overhaul mod created.
Its funny how Overhype tried to sell a set campaign as being the focus over a sandbox experience and yet its ended up being the weakest part of what they've produced.

>>2344839
Promise to never come back?

>>2345033

Well its part of EA being like that. They commented on the game narrative only coming together in 1.0. Including more banter.


Honestly I dont give a fuck I would’ve preferred a more sandboxy experience like BB. Either way its a fun game.

>>2345033
As long as I can mod it outside of steam workshop then I will be content for the most part.

>>2345015
To keep supply costs low and retain mission focus, you just want the SL's perks and having more rifles starts making the firepower from the plasma gun less relevant while you might also start wanting a more specialized weapon like a RPG or no weapon at all depending on perks.

>>2344785
He's a cheaper kody that's more specialized for sniping. Get him better concealment, and vanguard deployment to help mitigate his low AP, and put a sniper or DMR on him.

He can either be ultra cheap 3 man sniper team or a full blown battle rifle squad, works in either role. He is not a disappointing pick at all. In fact I regularly take the 1-star SL's because they're so cheap. I have never felt like they weren't worth it. Even jean is ok because she can finish stuff off and give me fat stacks of loot.

Am I missing something or are basically all the CQC assault rifle variants made obsolete by the basic bitch PDW? It's insanely good. I loved the CQC assault rifles in the demo but now I don't see any reason to use them other than for flavor.

i hope we get proper city maps with tight spaces, maybe even some spaceship fights too that are infantry only

>special ammo types apply to the light mortar
I guess it's because it has the "projectile" trait. Stick some AP or REND on your mortar team and it makes it actually worth using the frag shells past early game. Guessing it's a bug, but it's a fun one.

>>2345049
i really hope they add in ammo types for the specials and vehicle weapons, would be nice for customization

>>2345047
At close range they are definitely out shone. I guess they're meant to be balanced by still being able to shoot max range but their drop off is so bad it's hardly ever worth it.

>>2345047
Yes. Cause most combat in this poorly designed game happens either at a gorillion miles or 2 tiles away.There's no room for midrange weapons.

>>2345045
I really feel like you're meant to change your loadout very frequently

I find myself on certain missions going for 2 elite infantry squads with 2 vehicles, and on others wanting 5 mediocre squads and one vehicle. Being able to have a lot of somewhat weak units can be really effective, especially given how the turn order system works.

>>2345056
>just absolutely endless bitching
Can we try and have a nice thread for once?

>>2345060
>grown-ass man cries about minor criticism towards his new favorite game, film at 11

How about you go back to whatever hugbox you came from? Or better yet, kill yourself.

>>2345061
>whiny cunts shit up threads about games they don't like
>reddit spacing lol
go back

>>2345060
then stop being a faggot, if he want to vent then let him instead of being offended like some fragile cunt

Schizo posting begins already. Welp it was a nice thread for the first couple dozen posts I guess.

>>2345063
Rushed to your lover's defence pretty fast for someone who isn't an easily offended faggot. Fuck euro hours really are just the worst

>>2345064
take your meds, there is no schizos here, just germans

>>2345065
then fuck off, you are the most obnoxious cunt in this threads

>>2345066
>Germans
how dreadful. Bomber Harris did nothing wrong except not finish the job

>>2345068
all germans should be resettled to Manchuria and Midwest

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>>2345067
Nah I'm done participating in your shit fetish. You wanna tank this thread like the last 3 you'll have to do it without my help this time. Enjoy your last (you) from me.

>>2345070
don't come back you fag

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kek

>>2345060
This thread will last at least 2 weeks. You are asking for the impossible. Just be glad the Anon who kept bitching about /pol/ fucked off.

>>2345077
Shit I had already forgotten about him

>>2345077
you want to summon him or something?

I keep trying to use Pike for his marking and AP boost but honestly I don't see much of a purpose for him beyond rally, which I think is low key his best ability by far.

I would rather take Tech and just give him a target designator for 30 AP most of the time

>>2344949
Incredibly good. Suppress button with surprising accuracy and damage. Great against any unit type. Even with menace it can overload and hurt em.

>>2344973
It would be cool if we got a transport that allowed multiple squads. Alongside the ability to mount squads in cars. Also atvs/bikes would be cool. Fast, zero armor or cover, 5ap to dismount, a bit of visibility but can be turned off. Perfect for stealth squads and scouts. Lighter transport would be good something with 100 armor and only a light slot. Maybe options for extra utilities? Something like a bmp.

>>2344999
>die hard on tech. Drop it for more grenade stuff. Bags and belts, explosion aoe and nade range + mk2 grenades, anti tank nades, emp nades, smoke.

Allows him to be a utility powerhouse and lob nade launcher shots across the map. Keep the spotting utility thats a good choice.

>>2345088
Bmps are ifvs, which we already have.

>>2345084
>use Pike to Rally
>they just get instantly re-pinned
Every time

>>2345084
Pike is too busy to mark. Between rally, AP boost, a mortar and drones when will you ever mark?

>>2345095
Yeah it does happen, but then it costs the enemy more AP to repin than it does to rally so I consider it a good trade off.
>>2345097
This is pbly a hot take but I don't even consider his AP boost all that strong. Yes a super squad can become even more super, but I would rather take another squad for the supply and can do far more with the 60 AP as a general rule outside of edge cases.

>>2345100
the edge cases can be pretty powerful though, like being able to both fire and vent the laser lance in the same turn

>>2345100
its main use is you put him in the middle of stuff and he can give ap to a flank that needs it. Its true that if you can afford to fully kit out a squad its not so useful. It is really useful early on though. Pike shines early game i think. Late game you can turn him into various things but id rather just take someone else most of the time. if you keep him cheap to deploy though the deployment cost is like a few accessories or a squad special weapon. would you ever consider equipping a special that says '+40 ap'? i would

>>2345106
I think what he needs is the ability to use his skills from inside a vehicle. If he uses AP boost then he can't keep up with a force moving forward, and he's really squishy for a force on the defence where its near impossible to keep him safe.

>>2345121
his adjacency passive does work inside a vehicle

also, if you already have a wardog deployed you can suicide attack with it while Pike is buttoned up in an APC

>>2345123
I mean like his actual command abilities. Maybe a vehicle module that acts like a command module that lets him do it with an increased range or decreased AP cost or something would be cool

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Finally managed to complete a run on Challenging. These SLs were my damage dealers, Lim and Vamplew can do crazy amount of killing in a single turn, especially when buffed by Pike. Tech is a lot slower than these guys, but can soak up an incredible amount of damage and with the right drugs he's completely immune to suppression. Also managed to pick up Darby at the end of the run, made missions really easy

>>2344536
>be Major John Menace
>get woken up
>first thing you see apart from your LT is some comedically corrupt thirdie field marshal with enough self awarded medals they probably count as class IV protection
>man, this Wayback system is a shithole, isn't it

>bog finally got 100 action points
>I can now shoot and fire the rocket organ every turn with pike buffing him

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>finally installed 3 AI Logistics because I can now afford new squaddies every time the BM refreshes
>got a infantry price reduction from a mission
this is the most people I've ever deployed in this game.

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So we got multiple possibilities here
>TCR gets in unharmed and we get lots of new toys against redacted (not gonna happen, TCR too op)
>TCR doesnt get into the system because redacted destroys/blocks/takes over the gate (likely)
>TCR gets into the system and meets the Jingwei fleet but redacted fucks them up both + blockades the gate + gets new toys and we gotta fight for our survival in the wayback (likely)
I think they will go for the gate-gets-fucked so we dont get the op shit from the TCR, redacted gets to propagate and can escalate from there + end goal could be to fix the gate by finding/destroying some redacted mcguffin

>>2345152
I just want the TCR Marine plate and the R228A1 MRS. God, please.

>>2344803
>Is it just me, or is the Kr-BaR (crowbar) just too good?
The meta right now is conceal crowl with max range engagements, so battle rifles are king for squad weapons.

Until conceal is reworked into being a less binary all or nothing thing, it's gonna be the best.

>>2344908
the ATV got 3 accessory slots, it's an APC better oriented for combat if you don't need transport and the heavy weapon slot

>>2345152
My money is on the gate being fucked up and preventing the TCR from arriving in force. The stuff listed on the end screen is so ridiculously bullshit that it would completely break everything; where's the room for a single ship with a couple platoons of plucky troopers in a fight where both sides are apparently casually devastating entire planets from orbit?

>>2345173
I hope they at least get some supplies through the gate.

im annoyed theres no midline armor with good camo and 3 utility slots.
running anything with 60 armor is 2x cost
i want something with 50 armor 3 utily for 1.5x cost of soft armor.
rn the meta is just using soft armor for anything else is too expensive.
also the SL that gives -30% to armor supply doesnt seem to work

theres no reason to use better armor unless ur strapped for squaddies, having more firepower of 8 down range is just better. you can always find lvl2 cover in most places, or just pop smoke

this game is more annoying the more you play it

>>2345152
I'm voting on the [REDACTED] taking over the incoming TCR fleets and turning whole personnel into techno ghouls.
Jingwei fleet manages to blow up few ships and looting for new toys starts.
We get dripfed new equipment while we gotta fight against tanks with reactive flesh armor.

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>>2344586
The professional cannot hurt you if you rain infinite rockets down on him.

I only use the ak on everyone.

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>>2345185
So what you're saying is...

AK-47S FOR EVERYONE

>>2345183
I tried that but I get the feeling that there is a hidden debuff or something from double rockets, it feels worse than single rocket somehow in terms of damage/supression etc

>>2345187
Yeah twinlinked weapons tank your accuracy. That setup is kind of a meme, you're almost always better off using a single organ on a cheapass ATV or pirate truck, since you're just going to sit in the back and spam rockets at extreme range anyway.

How do the stars work? Are they randomly assigned every campaign or do the same characters have the same amount of stars always?
And what exactly do they do? I assume they tell you about the quality of the character but I don't know what's affected.

>>2345194
The squad leaders are the same over various playthroughs. The stars for squad leaders broadly define their starting stat range and how much it costs to deploy them. 3 stars come out of the gate with much stronger stats, but cost more in supplies. Vice versa for 1 stars. 2 stars are in the middle. The stats for the squad leaders are visible as soon as you're prompted to pick your initial 4, just look at the stats on Carda and then the stats on Darby for a comparison.

>>2345194
The same characters always have the same amount of stars. Characters with more stars usually have better starting stats, but the main thing stars do is determine how expensive a character is to deploy. Higher stars means the base supply costs higher, the supply cost increase per promotion is higher, and the base supply cost per squaddie is higher as well. Gear still costs the same regardless of stars though, which somewhat reduces the overall impact.

>>2345194
The same characters always have the same stars. They stand for how expensive a character is to use. One star characters are cheap to use but have shit starting stats while three star characters have great stats and siills but they are way more expensive. Two stars are in the middle.

>>2345194
more stars = better but more costly SqL
*** 40 base cost +10 extra per trooper, 80 for vehicle, 15 extra per perk
** 20 + 5, 40 for vehicle pilot, 10 per perk
* 4 + 2, infinity for vehicle, 5 per perk

>>2345084
you use his AP boost before some one goes so that they can make two 60 ap attacks in one go, or use an item/ability before an attack

>>2345090
I did his grenade build in another play through.

This time I used him with a target designator and its actually godly on him since he doesn't need to set up to use it. That with quick hands and full send, I have him with a sniper rifle, he can use the target designator 3 times, or use it once and fire the sniper twice, or use the target designator twice and fire the sniper once, or just fire the sniper 3 times. Its been really useful.

>>2345213
Oh and the reason why I have die hard on him, is so that I don't lose my target designator in a battle.

how do you loot vehicles in this game?
do you decrew or dagger them down?

>>2345217
You basically have a chance to get some of the gear that human enemies drop. They're also available on the black market

>>2345217
I get a lot of walkers when fighting rogue army but rarely ever get trucks when fighting pirates. So I don't think it matters if you blow them up during the battle because pirates often leave their trucks which means I don't shoot them down.

What ethnicity is Gabriel? He looks Mexican, he has the Catholic-Criminal style yet he speaks with a kiwi accent but Gabriel Exconde does not sound like a kiwi name.

>>2345230
racially ambiguous NY taxi driver

>>2345230
Mutt

>>2345230
He's probably supposed to be some flavor of hispanic, but the devs didn't get their hands on someone from mexico for whatever reason. Carda is another character where she has a weird accent. Most of her lines are some vague "American" accent, but she slips into a different one every now and then.

>>2345230
Future space man

Shout out to the not-Wagner Group guy for being a fucking goofball.
>OKEY I KILL BUG

>>2344990
Rng too much matter on strategic layer.

>>2345241
I got him killed because fuck Ivan and fuck Ziggers. Shame he wasn't a more human ethnicity.

>>2345245
trying a bit too hard with that one, bait used to be believable

>play on ironman
>still savescum
im so disgusted and disappointed in myself yet i cant stop

>>2345248
You've gone mad with power it seems

>>2344990
What mission did you get that killed your squad? I have played on normal so far and the game hasn't offered any challenge. Most enemies dies to one or two shots and the AI prefers to walk around rather than shoot at me.
I was going to restart on a higher dificulty but now I'm waiting to see what the menace faction does before restarting.

>>2345247
No, I genuinely hate Russians. Total Ivan Death.

>>2345152
My money is on they will fall into an ambush cause the Jingwei doesn't want to relinquish authority

>>2345248
I only savescum if the game fucks me over with bugs

>>2345267
Let me guess, you couldn't even find Russia or Ukraine on a map prior to 2022.

>>2345245
/pol/ brainrot
how can you even play a comically diverse game like menace without having an aneurysm

Is it me or are autocannons the "good at everything" weapon?

Option to change decals on dropship when? We should get more camouflage and decals as you do achievements or progression. I want to drop carda a big fat supply package in the “menace killer 4000” painted gold

>>2345279
I'm not American so I find my way around a map easily, thanks. Geography isn't a tough subject so no need to project your own lack of education.

>>2345284
I don't mind the cast at all, hell it's cool that they have an Ivan on the team so I can recruit him and have him run into the enemy as a suicidal scout. Just like real life!

>>2345230
Probably png, samoan, fijian or some bizzare mixed bag island folk.

Am I the only one struggling with the enemy having access to far more long ranged fire support than you get? For a game that's all about restraining or omitting things like drones and artillery so that we can actually get fun fights, even the fucking bugs sure seem to be brining a lot of mortars, which can kill 4 men in high tier armour with pinpoint accuracy in one blast.

i dont like fighting cyborgs, they dont drop anything cool
whos same?

>>2345234
You can hear the asian slipping through. Same with the assistant.

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>tfw the game has an actual manual on steam

>>2345290
Menace seem to be generally considered very boring and shit to fight

>>2345287
go back to /chug/ or /uhg/ or whatever cesspit you come from, we talk about video games here

>>2345289
The meta currently is leaning more into long range engagements, unless you use something like boarding jumpsuits or some exconde taxi rush, you're gonna get fucked up by long range unless you bring even longer range and keep your units concealed

>>2345289
Bug mortars are rng. But you aren’t playing right if you are letting them hit you. They are designed to dislodge infantry which it sounds like you are falling for. Scout them and stop them from sitting behind. You are always going to be numerically outgunned: its the story.

>>2345290
>i dont like fighting cyborgs, they dont drop anything cool

Hopefully later on they drop some exclusive tech

>>2345296
How intensely shit.

>>2345299
You can always lower difficulty, then you don't have to play optimally.
Just like literally every singe game out there.

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>>2345298
The description for the items they currently drop imply they will be used for some kind of research or exclusive technology. Im guessing that certain oiw and maybe even items will be acquired with menace resources.

>>2345300
Playing optimally also rapes the AI so there's that too

>>2345297
Bug mortars I can handled what's getting stuck in my craw is when the RA rock up with more tubes than a fucking plumber's van, sink it every soit and obliterate people in armour that should have no issue catching blast and frag.

Surely running towards them into the open field to try and get close to the mortars just get me shit to ribbons by their comrades, the nefarious 4 Autocannon teams all camping the choke point?

I'm watching some streamers play and they always choose assault rifles and other shit that's useless as operation rewards.

Like dude, pick the damn reactive armor, being able to use your vehicle offensively without blowing up is more important than 5% extra dps on your squad

>>2345305

Thanks phone autocorrect, for not only not catching my actual typos or registering my commas, but actively inserting typos so I look like a retard. Very based, much appreciated.

>>2345302
What? Lighting effects?

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Breaching armor is a complete meme

>b-but every soldier is like a APC!

So? They have fuck all firepower with 1 accessory, doesn't help that Vamplew the only one that can realistically equip a full squad is fucking dogshit at the whole shooting part

The Menace shouldn't be a faction, they should be a constant threat that can appear in every single mission, just make it rare.

An oh shit situation, you know, a MENACE

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>It's a "you forgot for the 20th time pirate boarding commandos have counterattack" episode

>>2345314
The first time I found this out was with Carda. Her three squaddies will be missed.

>>2344876
when you're out of ammo and a melee unit (like spiderlings) attacks you, your squaddies do fight back with thier bare hands. you take a lot of damage, but the enemy also is damaged a bit (they're better at melee i guess).
only tested it in the demo, but enemy pirate squads also can run out of ammo. sadly they just wander around after that happens and don't try any melee attacks.

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>>2345287
Imagine being this much of a faggot lol

>>2345323
How's the lack of Telegram and Starlink doing, Ivan?

>A squad literally shot its own squaddie due to missing.

WHAT
I didn't think that's possible, hahahaha.

Do you guys take the growth potential perk? Is it worth it?
I didn't note down how big my characters' stats were at the start so I don't really notice how much it has grown.

>>2345245
You're blatantly attention-whoring at this point

>>2345328
ive been taking it and i dont think its worth it

>>2345328
100% worthless on any character

>>2345248
just play honestman, my man

>>2345328
Some anon ran the numbers in the previous thread, not only is it bad but 1 star SLs are also a bit of a trap on higher difficulties

>>2345325
>he thinks I'm Russian for some reason
>oh no not muh heckin telegramrinos
brainrot

>>2345342
Don't engage him. He just wants to turn this thread into cumchugger vs uhghur shitflinging.

>>2345328
after playing over 40 hours, I wouldnt take it anymore, the stat increases will happen eventually with or without higher growth, the good characters will improve anyway, the bad ones mostly come with higher potential but the CHANCE of improving isnt worth a perk slot I feel
>do you take athletic which fundamentally changes how your character can play or are you taking the miniscule improvement in the background so you can get +1 action point 5 missions in, instead of 10
nah

>>2345358
>cumchugger vs uhghur shitflinging
It's time to log off.

>>2345323
>We are [the guy who shot first]
Oh no no no, media literacy sisters, our response?

>>2345372
Ah yes, Greedo, a known saint who was there to treat Han to some tea and biscuits.

>another thread in the shitter because you gaggle of eternally triggered semen addicts can't keep /pol/ content on /pol/
It's all so tiresome.

Frankie needs to have breast implants.

>>2345327
Haven't had that happen. Did you target something adjacent to your own unit? The bullets have a small chance to hit other targets in adjacent squares

I feel like I'm being brainwashed.
SERVICE IS ALWAYS AN ACT OF VALOR

>>2345380
Yeah, an alien right next to me, was funny.

>>2345382
It's just Starship Troopers shit. "Service guarantees citizenship" It's a bit too on the nose.

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>>2345327
Friendly fire from misses and stray shots is a thing
I figured that if you want to shot at something that is right next to one of your guys, it will be only "safe" to do if they are on the diagonals, in relation to target, that closer to the shooter.

>>2345289
>For a game that's all about restraining or omitting things like drones and artillery so that we can actually get fun fights, even the fucking bugs sure seem to be brining a lot of mortars
the irony of this is that the best way to kill bombardier beetles is to chase them down with an FPV drone

I think anons are sleeping on drones, both Wardog and Falcon

>>2345152
I mean considering that we already got fucked up making our way trough the gate it is most likely the TCR will face a similar fate. While also getting teabagged by our [REDACTED] friends.

>>2345419
Drones are awesome. i gave my Marta two wardogs so that she could take out two high value things when her accuracy is low.

I also give lim a falcon drone, since he can deploy it and move it before mounting up in the transport, and if the transport doesn't encounter any enemies he can pop out and scan a large area before popping back into the transport.

Both are very very useful.

>>2345224
That might also mean that loot rolls are only generated when a vehicle gets destroyed. So when pirates leave their trucks you don't destroy them and thus get so rarely loot from them.
Could also be wrong.

>>2345309
Imo the issue is the high supply cost while still being suppresable by anything.

>>2345419
Drones is shit AP wise.

Supply Cost is a gay mechanic. If a player has played well enough that they can afford and bring along good gear, why punish them with arbitrary "supply" limits?

>>2345447
Lazy way to limit player's power.

>>2345447
To add some strategy so you have to plan your loadout instead of bringing every character with all the best equipment for every mission.

>>2345436
Yeah but you can split the AP over two turns by preparing your drones in advance, and once they're deployed they give absurd movement per AP

The AI also REALLY likes to waste time focusing them down, they're excellent distractions

>>2345449
its shit, theres should be a soft cap for bonuses.
go in with 1000 supply for 2x rewards or go in with 2000 supplies for normal.
also being +5 points from hard cap should be forgivable

>>2345460
Just use cheat engine if the game is too hard for you. Or wait for someone to mod in supply cheats.

>>2345461
The game punishing me for being good is a terrible mechanic.

"Oh, you fought some good battles, earned yourself some good loot? Well fuck you, you can't bring it along." Besides, some of those supply costs are fucking nuts. 130+ supply for a weapon or armour? It's like bringing a fucking tank along wtf.

>>2345419
Wardog drone is fantastic but I think it stops appearing in the black market after midgame which really sucks.

>>2345460
Yeah it should be balances points but balance so hard fucked there so it's just annoying cockblocker for player for prevent use any shinny toys.
As anon said, use Vader's mod or cheat engine.

>>2345464
good to know, I'll stock up, what do you consider mid-game?

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>This is not a valid sightline

>>2345462
>The game punishing me for being good is a terrible mechanic.
>I fought for this, now let me crutch the game on wunderwaffen
You are a living contradiction

>>2345474
Retard
nta

>>2345467
I'd say right now midgame is Rogue Army and endgame is Menace. I don't know if that exactly corresponds with when certain items stop showing up but it feels like that to me.

>>2345476
explain your logic

>>2345467
Store change seems to happen a few operations after menace turns up, could be earlier. I believe I started seeing medium mechs for sale after the second menace operation

>>2344601
Their first game had that too, what the fuck?

>>2345480
Literally "Why am I being punished for performing well?"

I'm sorry but I'd say I've deserved this supposed "crutch" if I've endured enough bullshit to be able to outfit my guys well to have a higher chance of success.

>>2345480
>hurr durr get reward for hard work and use this reward for do more hard work is le crutch
>REE WHY YOU CALL ME RETARD
Retard.

>>2345380
Nah it happened to me too. You can also suppresses and morale break your own guys.

they had decent system limiting army size in BB, increasing upkeep they decided to go with """logistics""" system which makes no sense (why even SL lvl up makes them costs more, are they harder to transport now?)

>>2345471
>square tiles as a graphical abstraction breaks anon's brain
many such cases

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Niggers complaining about supply limitations should just download supply cheats and play with their space marines.

It's a single-player game. Nobody cares.

>>2345500
>YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO CRITIQUE MY GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2345289
Bugs should be entirely reworked in my humble opinion.

As it is they play too close to the other factions. Lots of infantry of various quality interspersed by the odd armoured vehicle analogue, so the gameplay is basically the same, and tends to prioritize hard hitting AT weapons and precision especially as the game goes on.

In my mind they should do away with Blasters and Bombardiers entirely and double or triple the amount of lesser bugs in a match. Make it so I truly feel the need to bring lots of AoE weapons, machine guns, more squads to cover more angles and am now worried about being simply overrun since I can't hit them all at once, rather than just taking cover and hoping squads don't get spotted and deleted by artillery, the same as every other faction.

>>2345502
Bugs should be more swarmy, with their armored units being more intimidating. Do I clear the little shits, or fight the warriors should be more than "I'll just brrt the trash until the big ones gets scared or run away"

Warriors should have a unique trait to being resistant to armor sandblasting desu, an enemy entirely built around how well you can withstand melee pressure instead of the shoot and scoot ranged fucking shits. The bombardier is great though, I hate that fucking thing in the early game.

>>2345500
>download supply cheats
projecting much? its not about difficulty but shitty design, BB is still harder game

>>2345267
why?

>>2345500
Could it use some more tweaking? Sure?
But fuck being limited using what you have is the real charm to it.
I bet people are just autistic and whenever have their teams set up they dont realise you can switch roles and squadies and weapons even with SL that have wildly different perks.
What I guess would be quality of life here is some sort of system to save SL team and gear profiles.

>>2345382
yes actually, draft soon, 3rd ww soon

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>>2345500
Personally I don't think there is really a problem with the supply limit mechanic. It doesn't give you the same 'building an army' feeling BB does but if they fix the balance and the AI it'll probably lead to a more engaging end-game, and that would be worth it

What enemy are you hoping for before RA shows up?
>Bugs: Easy money, but bombardiers can rape you
>Pirates: Gear, but you are at risk of being outgunned depending on what vehicles they spawn

Man, you people are real shit at the game uh