This game is going to suffer the same fate as Terra Invicta: Promising game being fucked to death by toxic optimism and parasocial dicksucking of a dev concerned only with making their game super speshul by making it annoyingly difficult. Calling it now, it’s only going to get worse.

>>2349341
Maybe. I'll know for sure if they ignore all the comments on AI behaviour or if they actually make obvious changes so the AI isn't so gamey and omniscient.

Anecdotally, in my current mission I'm seeing the AI moving towards my concealed troops and also flanked around on the rough area of my units when I start shooting, instead of just fleeing out of my line of sight. It feels a lot more authentic and what a human player might start doing if his units takes mystery shots from a given direction. Maybe I would also move a damaged unit back, but pushing forward and being aggressive against concealed units is the correct move, so long as they're doing it after being engaged and not beforehand as if they magically know the unit is there.

It really does feel like they are updating and changing the AI every few days even though they aren't announcing any updates, and if that's not what's happening then I guess having the AI behave properly is really hit and miss and inconsistent for some reason.

>>2349341
>Promising game being fucked to death by toxic optimism and parasocial dicksucking
I wouldn't be so sure, the community is pretty critical of the game's shortcomings and dogpiles the dicksuckers pretty well.
It's not common to see a subreddit criticize a game.

>>2349341
Well, it's pretty easy right now, even on the hardest difficulty setting.

>a month after release
>AI still barebones, cheating dogshit
It's dead, Jim.

>>2349341
>annoyingly difficult
So far its just mostly annoying

>>2349352
They tried to make the AI cheater difficulty but in the process of making it cheat they unintentionally made it even easier to beat - you just have to herd the AI into bunched up groups or singled out and isolated for effortless kills.

All they actually did was make beating the AI tedious. What they thought they were doing was making the AI difficult and probably assumed anyone complaining was just a noob who thought the game was too difficult.

And that's a problem of their own making because many people (including me) were pointing out these AI problems in the demo and were completely ignored. Congrats, you launched the game with broken AI because you refused to actually listen to your players and thought you knew better than them.

>>2349370
most things pointed in the demo was ignored

There was an old post in the last thread about me giving Carda a tripod AC and using her as a mobile turret. It's been a while since then and I finally got to see how the mission type with a defense zone at the bottom of the map is like, and the way the AI avoids the reach of your weapons is one of the most powerful things on this type. I do not see a downside of forcing enemies to waste their time walking all the way around the AC's great range, eating into their turn order and often times never being able to pathfind to the exit zone anyway. If I want their drops I can always hunt them down after the turn limit is over.

Also, is there any particular reason I shouldn't buy a second laser turret? A single one already feels like cheating. A completely free scouting tool that if placed correctly will immediately shove two auto laser salvoes onto the nearest enemy, that also absorbs some attacks and screws with the enemy turn order. Meanwhile the strafing run tickles some enemies if they are kind enough to stand in the single tile thin line. Third slot is supply drop at the moment though I rarely use it.

>>2349381
try 1 turret and 2 mines
3 turret would also be viable
as would 3 mines
i think 2 turret and 1 mines wouldnt be worth it though since a single mines is not so great

>>2349341
Terra Invicta was fun and I beat it twice

Why make a new thread? There are four others still up. It's a slow as fuck board.

>>2349386
>3 threads about hoi4 mods with 1200 posts summary is good
>4 threads about menace with 6000 posts summary is bad
Gtfo retard.

>>2349370
>They tried to make the AI cheater difficulty but in the process of making it cheat they unintentionally made it even easier to beat - you just have to herd the AI into bunched up groups or singled out and isolated for effortless kills.
I have 70 hourse in the game and I see this repeated here and I've never been able to do this, can you replicate it?

>equipping 2 radars on medium mech doubles ground radar range, making it cover the entire map
kek

>>2349341
Can you please fuck off

>>2349394
>doubles ground radar range
Really? How they mess that bad with double slots.

>>2349347
Or that was always the case and you niggers were just blowing a few isolated instances out of proportion
>but muh stealth updates
Schizo bullshit to hide that you were the real schizos all along

>>2349394
Bog who can't hit the broad side of a barn is the perfect man to repeatedly push a button.

>>2349399
My bog was a ATV with two VMAT missiles and a radar system and smoke launchers. He had lucky shot as well as overload, the idea being that 90 percent of the time he's a radar buggy. but the 10% of the time he's got the most powerful oneshot anti tank shot that can take out rogue army heavy tanks from the front. I think he could get to the point where he could overload then nuke one target and either pop smoke or scan both of which would last while he was stunned anyways. Great unit for less than 200 supply.

Jesus grenades just suck

Frag, AT, grenade launchers, mortars.

They're all complete trash

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lads this board is slow as fuck, we dont need that many threads

>>2349405
Grenades/Mortars are items for enemies to fuck you over with via infinite ammo. They are not for you to use.

>>2349393
>>2349398
stfu shitposting troll

>>2349405
Frags are 'good' in their use-case, but it just basically never comes up. The only time I ever equip it is on the breakthrough missions on kody and run him up next to one of the bunkers to toss a grenade in. He gets bonus damage on full hp enemies so the grenades almost always wipe the squad in one go, and it ignores bunker cover. Much easier than using a bunch of AT weapons to blast the bunkers down.

Grenade launchers are also extremely good, overpowered even. Think of them like a squad LMG except it ignores cover. You don't necessarily need to kill with them, the suppression is what you really need, but I find they always outkill LMG's anyway and basically just make the LMG obsolete. With that said the airburst GL sucks compared to the non airburst one; slightly worse suppression/damage in practice, but also 10% malfunction chance on top, so its just unreliable and unreliable = very bad.

Mortars are best used for smoke. They're not for fragging stuff unless there's the odd opportunity but mostly you use mortar as on-demand smoke application for your entire force, which saves you having to equip smoke grenades on everyone, freeing up a lot of accessory space across your roster.

>breakthrough
I'm playing on normal for a first playthrough but I've never ever seen a breakthrough map function normally. There will be exactly one road with one entrance through the wall, and there will be also exactly one guard there standing around. I will be 2/3rds of the way to the extract before the other troops find their way to me literally walking in the front door unopposed.

>>2349409
>spent a week arguing a point
>concedes the point
lol, yeah no it's all those stealth updates that happen that don't require downloading

>>2349409
>airburst GL sucks compared to the non airburst one
Actually it's vice versa. Give it to Carda with MI, and she can pin down 3x3 tiles per round, with decent damage on top. Also it even can ohk small weapon teams if lucky.

>>2349410
Too many people complained during the demo

>>2349410
All missions where ai actually tried to win map was nerfed, since current design is just shooting range. While ai due to conditions of mission start to actually fight back, players can't handle this bullshit amount of deployed points and start cry.

>>2349411
Timed updates which are packaged ahead of time and are triggered to become active after reaching a particular date.

>>2349409
>Grenade launchers are also extremely good, overpowered even.
This is only true for the granade machine gun that slings out 3 granades per shot at 10 tile range. And it's not a real granade launcher because it's unaffected by granade skills.

Every other actual non-smoke granade, is a feast of famine type of deal with range and accuracy that does not ever excuse taking the risk of wasting a turn. And all of those get completely walled by armor which is something that's not an issue for LMGs, even the shittier ones like the tripod version of the starting battle taxi machinegun. As other guy mentioned, they are there for enemies to have something occasionally threatening to use against you. As they are now, they are only usable on Greifinger and you never want to use granade launchers on Greifinger because of the opportunity cost of not running a guaranteed hit RPG.

>>2349420
>And it's not a real granade launcher because it's unaffected by granade skills
Why would a grenade launcher be affected by grenade skills? They're completely different weapon types.

>>2349341
It's not going to happen because unlike Terra Invicta, Overhype is an actual game studio and not a puffed up blowjob gang for Johnny Lump and his retarded decisions for Long War

>>2349406
^This. A new thread after hitting image limit or page 11 is reasonable but otherwise it isn't necessary.

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>>2349339
There was no reason to make a new thread, retard. /vsg/ is one of the slowest boards. It took the previous one a full WEEK just to hit page six. With how yappy anons are about the game, half the fucking catalogue is going to be full of half-eaten Menace bread

>>2349430
Further, together!

>>2349417
>it's all a big conspiracy
Jesus, just admit you guys were overexaggerating the problem lol

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>/MenGen/

>>2349405
Frags are shit because they have short range and can miss. Might as well save the item slot and just shoot at enemies through cover that will still add some suppression.
Mortars aren't that bad but they don't fit the player's playstyle of moving arond the map. They need to be stationary while their allies scout for vision so mostly an AI strategy. Heavy mortars are very fun even though they are outclassed by more accurate weapons.

>>2349445
Frags seem like they were designed with and entirely different cover system in mind. If heavy cover was virtually impenetrable, or there was way more LoS stops then grenades would be critical as fuck for certain missions, but theres virtually never a time where you're
>in range
>but out of LoS
>with nothing else to shoot at
>and nowhere to move to
That grenades would be useful in

How many hours in before I should start worrying about the meta? I've got Lim, Pike, Bog, Carda, Kody, Exconde, Sy and so far I haven't needed to hire more

>>2349458
the meta really kicks in when you are stomping everything anyway.
I would suggest getting darby though shes overpowered
also a third vehicle driver since dual vehicle (2 medium mech with autocanon, or one and a mechanized infantry in an apc) is good and sometimes they get op. Its easier to field when you get a couple ai logistics running.
darby and kody are interchangeable but darby is stronger

Keep an eye out for laser rifles. Their short range kind of sucks but they are effective against everything so its nice. Likewise the laser lance is a good dependible thing to put on an apc. Pair it with the grenade launcher

>>2349393
Equip concealment and battle rifles+ some heavy long range weapons and you should be able to do it on some missions.

Promotion tax is such a tedious bullshit mechanic, but of course there are fanboys vehemently defending it. It should be entirely removed. Maybe make promotion points harder to come by or something.

>laser rifles
They don't have endurance during a fight, they don't deal any better against Menace than a regular rifle. They're only cool for roleplaying guardsmen and wearing armor with few pockets.

>laser lance
Tank gun and extra ammo and a spotter. You don't need to be mounted when spotters are supposed to always be running ahead of the vehicles. Achilleas double tapping armor with the cannon is always fun.

>>2349389
>trannies shit up the board there for I troon and shit up the board too
No

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>tfw finally trying expert

Jesus

If not for Darby this shit would be impossible. I've literally put all my promotion points on her.

>>2349479
Without promotion tax people would only field 3 star SLs

What's the best squaddie-to-SL ratio?

>>2349494
Generally speaking, if you're gonna focus on the special weapon you want a skeleton crew of 2 squaddies, if you're going to mainly be shooting with your squad weapons you want to max them out.

There's exceptions, like Carda, but that's the rule

>>2349480
lasers rifles are good against heavy infantry, way better than other rifles. They are good options against alien warriors and the heavier menace, though for menace you should probably just go all in on autocanon mechs. Their main gain is they dont suck against regular infantry like dedicated AT options do.

The laser lances entire point is it doesnt run out of ammo so you can use it freely.
The apc with laser lance and grenade launcher with a laser rifle and fatigues infantry inside is cheap for its capability. It grenades things for killing and suppression, has the internal infantry that can target any unit in the game, even securing kills on badly damaged heavy tanks, from the front, if you have nothing better to do, and the laser lance one shots weak pirate vehicles, does decent damage against other vehicles, and is able to deal with alien warriors and the menace heavy infantry guys well.

Laser lance on its own is bad because you have to waste time venting, but when put on an apc with grenades and the option to simply move forward for better positioning you dont wind up using it often enough that you usually need to vent. It becomes the secondary weapon of the setup, but it instantly solves a lot of problem you might run into.
The tank gun prevents you from carrying the cost effective laser+fatigues infantry. The drawback of laser rifle is its short range and so this is why it pairs well with the setup.
For regular infantry you always want a silenced crowbar or a hammer.

For dedicated combat vehicle medium autocanon mechs are good because with enough extra ammo they are good against everything. You mow down all infantry, destroy all vehicles, and can even focus down a heavy tank from the front with a couple of them faster than maneuvering around it allows.

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For the love of God Carda DO NOT MISS

>>2349503
Did she miss?

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>>2349504
Hooah

Is it just me or is the T2 DMR kind of dogwater
>same AP cost as the Crocodile
>same shots in a volley as the Crocodile
>same range as the Crocodile
>less damage, less armor pen for a little more magazine depth

>timers are bad REMOVE ALL THE BONUS OBJECTIVES
>supply points are bullshit
>gameplay loop is too hard and pointless
Why are Steam discussions so utterly and blitheringly retarded beyond all human measure?

>>2349511
it's better vs aliens I guess

>>2349507
Clutch baby

>>2349512
>timers are bad
Early game many of the timers are mathemically unattainable. And even late game in the hunt X number of enemies missions.

>>2349512
Gameplay loop is too pointlessly long. Scale every reward and enemy progression rate by 2x, or offer a slider to control this. They do love their sliders in the menus so why not give us another?

i just think they need something to boost the first couple of operations in expert mode, and cap operations at 3 mission long, the 4 mission long ones are kind of a drag.
also guarantee you dont get stuck with the same faction in a row. to mix it up

otherwise supply points are fine (they might need an increase in early game though)

>>2349519
They're bonus objectives, though. They should be difficult to attain and it fits with the nature of the game's scenario
>>2349523
I kind of agree with this but the discussions were more to the tune of "I don't actually like this kind of game but it's all of you who are retarded for having fun"

>>2349494
4-6

2 only if its a dedicated weapons team, but this really doesn't work well in practice because your SL overhead tax on each weapon team just sucks all the points out of your actual line infantry, and a lot of special weapons actually suck ass, like probably 70% of them. Most tripod ones you can just throw away right off the bat. Only the autocannon and grenade launchers are worth it but only if your SL has high accuracy which again means you're paying too much for your weapons team. Also the AI will just skirt around your weapon ranges anyway so it just feels pointless to bother. Some of the LMG's are pretty good but not for weapons teams and you won't see them until late game when you don't need them anymore.

There is no good reason to use 3 squaddies.

4 without a special weapon is good for your spook squads like darby and kody or anyone who gets some kind of damage bonus for whatever reason. If you add a special weapon then you've got to add another squaddie to keep the damage output up, otherwise drop them down to a 2 squaddie squad and ditch their gun for pirate pipeguns.

5 is a good baseline for regular infantry squads without special weapons

6 is when you've added a special weapon to your regular infantry or feel like you need to upgun as a little luxury

7 and 8 squaddies are noob traps. The damage output of the squad is already good enough at 5 or 6 to handle everything important. It's pretty much always better to have another squad of 5-6 than bringing the rest of your current ones up to 7 or 8. Basically everything is better - more ammo, more action points, more coverage, more hp, more accessories, more resilience.

Think about what the bare minimum to do the job is. Like if you want a stealth squad, you only need 2-3 concealment and with concealment you don't have to worry about being shot, so it's actually more points efficient to run loadbearing rig + the concealment accessory than it is to use the stealth armors.

>>2349512
The bonus objectives definitely need a rework.
Timers aren't horrendous but sometimes are stupidly easily, sometimes nearly impossible.
Avoid destroying 3 structures is definitely the worst one. Often its not up to your choice, what counts as a structure is far too broad, and it just constrains tactics and tool options which were already pretty meh. OCI call ins other than mines and turrets, intentionally targetting cover to remove it form enemies etc. Those are interesting but generally suboptimal choices, that you don't even get to consider in half the missions because of the bonus objective.

>>2349535
>reddit spacing
>being this wrong
pottery

What the hell does jingwei even mean? I don't speak chinkbabble.

>>2349539
>>reddit spacing
Woop woop newfag alert

>>2349535
>Only the autocannon and grenade launchers are worth it
Stopped reading there.
Recommending anyone to use the autocannon instead of M6 CMG as primary "fuck everyone up" tool is all I need to know you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

>>2349548
>autocannon kills everything
>machine gun doesnt kill everything
i bet you think it makes sense to have specialized anti tank units than just give everyone multipurpose setups so you spend less time maneuvering

>>2349548
Literally just the M2 browning still existing in sci-fi settings and it actually being really good is one of my favourite tropes.

>>2349549
>3 shots meaning each miss is a catastrophic loss of damage
>terrible against infantry
>not all that good against anything heavier than a light pirate truck
>WORSE armor penetration than M6, meaning it has a harder time challenging armor when it hits
>worse overall suppression power
>worse overall hitpoint damage
>worse overall armor shred
There's quite literally not a single scenario where autocannon comes close to what M6 does.
The only time it can be argued to be useful is on a twin-linked setup on a medium mech.

>>2349545
Pbly supposed to he derived from junta but made more science fictiony

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>>2349547
Chinese spirt, apparently it's a tale of a woman drowning in the sea that turned into a bird, she persisted carried sticks and rocks to fill the eastern sea because it empty, yeah it pretty silly, even for a mythology story but she symbolized determination and fighting against impossible odds and being a spirt guardian so that probably the reason behind the naming of the planetary jingwei

>>2349545
For fuck sake, wrong dude

>>2349479
The entire promotion perk system and building you SL feels iffy to me
Some SL are so defined by their initial perk that it basicaly makes no sense to pick any other perk that doesnt build upon that. So you build "options" are basicaly your flavor generic perks or even taking nothing extra so as to not pay supply tax over promotions.
Some other SL perks, rely on actually equipment drops, so you either put on hold their perk progression until you get the gear needed for it to come online, or put your points into generic perks and the hope you have the points to buy the rest once the RNG blesses you with what you want.
Then you have shit that the the devs seem like to want you to make a build around it but, it is so sub suboptimal that you might as well do anything else. Or SL that are poop and their build is basicaly not make them so poop.

>>2349570
Yeah it kinda bothers me how shoehorned some of them are. I feel it's gonna take a long time balance out. BB had a similar problem, especially early on.

>>2349570
>>2349571
This is definitely a result of the entire SL system being redone so late in development. Like even for the demo they just had the one unique perk everything else they were identical. Who knows how long it will take to sort out an entire attribute, growth and perk system that was changed just like 3 months ago

I love how every single SL can be described by two words and you can instantly understand who I am talking about.
Giga Nigger
Angry Indian
Waifu Martian
Bossy Cracker
White Woman
Terrorist Ginger
Australian Wanker
Old Guy
Loud Russian
And so on

>>2349563
put two of them on a medium mech
a single autocanon is crap

>>2349586
indian burn victim being sexually aroused by tinnitus-inducing gunfire makes my pp twitch

>>2349563
The vehicle HMG has less armour damage than the tripod one, so there's a bit of difference.
Buy yeah the tripod autocannon is always a worse choice than tripod HMG.

What the game lacks the most is complexity on the strategic layer. Both between and during operations. I want to know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it instead of just clicking on the next mission because that is what I'm supposed to do.

>>2349586
Oh absolutely, I'm not disputing twin-linked autocannons being the best twin-linked option.
But medium mechs are NOT infantry, so it's beside the point for this discussion.

OHNNN
HENHEHHH
OHNNNHENHEHHHHHH
*guitar*
*ominous orchestra*

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Suffice to say none of the pirate trucks survived.
Also I want rotation free camera god damn it. I dont care it breaks shit or the background is empty and theres no skybox.

>>2349692
I love how the light APC is just a Boxer/Stryker, and the IFV is literally a bradley hull

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>finally get a mortar after getting terrorized by the Rogue mortar teams
>payback time bitches
>...
>it neither suppresses nor damages anything
I kind of get it that in player's hands it's kinda useless because otherwise it would be disgustingly OP (as is always the case with artillery in games) but I still feel scammed

>>2349699
The light mortar absolutely fucks enemy infantry.

>>2349700
There's the shit mortar you can buy on the black market, and the okay light mortar dropped by RA
it's great for smoke, but I just stick it on Pike so he can hypesquad and throw out the odd shell

>>2349708
I've only seen two mortars, the light 60mm mortar and the heavy 80mm mortar

Is the recruitment pool biased towards marines early on or on lower difficulties or anything? Because my first run through towards the end of early access scene had me recruiting the entire starting marine roster, plus Singh. That's it. Only in the postgame when I could afford more dossiers do the other pirates and locals show up.

>>2349722
It's completely rng afaik. I haven't checked if some seeds have guaranteed drops though

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>no way to fit two twin-linked miniguns
My fun is raped and I'm going to kill myself

>>2349722
Recruiting is seed related.

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>It's a Darby gets weary so now you're fucked episode

>>2349722
When you start a campaign you can buy two infantry dossiers before taking the first mission. You can keep trying new seeds this way until you find one where it's two non-marines.
I did this on my second campaign to get some new characters.
>>2349726
All seeds have guaranteed drops. Recruitment order is fixed for every seed (I guess to avoid people savescumming when buying dossiers until they get who they want).

EAT DOG EAT WOOF WOOF WOOF

>>2349735
Imagine if the heavy mech could do it.

The most fun missions are when you defend or capture a location. The AI is aggressive and actively come to fight you.
The most boring missions are when you have to sweep an area of enemies and you get stuck on nighttime on blizzard planet. Takes 20+ turns slowly walking around the entire map in shit visibility while the enemy tries to run away from you.

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>>2349535
You're wrong and the overthinking you do about imaginary margins is wasteful. You take as many squaddies as you can if you intend to rely on the squad weapons, you take as few as you can if you rely on the special weapon. It's just that simple.
Notable exception is Carda.

>>2349771
The heavy mech better be quadrupedal. Spider mechs are criminally underrepresented

>>2349774
I also avoid sweep missions, mostly because the game expects you to spread but realistically most SLs aren't self sufficent enough so they need to cover each other weakness and move as a unit

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>>2349779
>The heavy mech better be quadrupedal.
It's gonna be an Atlas looking motherfucker

>>2349781
I doubt it. Arms and visible cockpit is far away from the aesthetic they're going for of twenty-minutes-into-the-future military hardware.

If a squad can have special equipment and shit with 3 members, why can't I have two special equipments with six?

>>2349788
Because only the squad leader is proficient with special weapons.

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>>2349788
Some of the early dev diaries talk as if this was planned at some point, the idea of multiple squad special weapons.

It'd be pretty cool getting to have full heavy weapon team squads. Some of the heavy weapons might get a lot less shit if you can have multiple and twinlink them like medium mechs as well.
The technology is there but the devs hate us so it will never happen.

>>2349790
Just have one of the guys carry the other and swap for use.

>no roadmap
>no dev diaries
>only item bloat updates
Yep, it's dead.

>>2349699
Yeah it's mostly a nuissance that serves to build up your suppression. On one hand I'd love for it to be more usable for killing stuff. On another, that would also mean RA's 4-5 mortar teams would go from bothering and killing a squadie every now and again to chunking your squads with little to no counterplay save for smokes. Vehicle mounted heavy mortar actually feels strong to use but I've only found it once across all my runs.

>>2349800
you're a retard

https://youtu.be/plgg9sSLRvQ?list=RDplgg9sSLRvQ

This music plays when I perform a tactical move of pure genius I jetpacked Rewa into the midst of a pirate base with twin autocannons and morale-broke their entire army in a single turn

We really need more SL, I find the vehicle users right now a bit limited.
Also its curious but I feel like Gabriel portrait was from a time when maybe he was supposed to be a drop ship pilot, the helmet he carries certainly seems more for aircraft.

>>2349399

I haven’t meet the menace in run where I picked new tricks on Bogs but hes hovering around 79 accuracy with no disposition buffs.

He can and he WILL hit the side of many barns.

Btw the ammo drop is not as bad as I thought. Quite decent if a bit redundant in terms of what you expend in missions right now.

So does the critical hits perk just add extra crit chance or is it its own separate thing?

>>2349829
I think it is just a flat 12%~ damage increase as of now. Squad weapons roll for damage/hits per each individual attack, which is rate of fire per squaddie afaik

>>2349823
>I find the vehicle users right now a bit limited.
I don't see what niches are lacking for the vehicles and equipment we have now, save weapon types alone.
>Achilleas: Survivable, deadly in IFV and Mech
>Rewa: Pure offense in IFV or Mech
>Bog: Budget vehicle
>black girl: Dedicated tank destroyer
>Exconde: Dedicated troop transport

>>2349831
ye I was just wondering how the perk stacked with regular crit chance

>>2349837

I think I found a nice recon spot for Exconde in light mechs with bags and belts and divine intervention. He usually can force scout the enemy take a shot or two and eat a rogue army missile. Its a great skill. A bit meme but also tanky.

>>2349837
A recon and or stealth pilot would be cool.
And side grades.

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>>2349779
Maybe, I think the game is leaning towards a chunky bipedal, kinda wish the mechs had a drift ability to go longer distances in a straight line, and also a hover mode, gunship like to recon and fire atgm while airborne for a round. Think it woudl be cool.

But that would be too much focus on mechs. I think the heavy will likely be similar to medium but with heavier weaponry.

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>>2349847
>>2349771
>>2349779
I think the closest depiction of what the heavy mech will be is Battletech's Warhammer, sans the arm/obvious cockpit.

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>>2349845
I was thinking also that a stealth mech pilot woudl be cool since I love jump shenanigans.
And and artillery specialist. Who yells all the time.

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>>2349849
Yeah I can see your line of thinking yeah, also the modern Battlemaster has the military look that would fit the game somewhat sans hands and a big long tank gun piece in one side and some other stuff in the other.

>>2349857
>We're getting the Mackie
I am ready

>>2349858
Adding to that, two heavy mounts makes sense, with maybe a light mount on top.

But two heavy mounts is absurd overkill for any-one enemy we're currently facing, so I'm cautiously hype for the kind of bullshit we'll base facing in T3.

>>2349845
>recon
Exconde has the scout perk and I belive he is the only one who has it

>>2349861
Yeah. He can sort of do it, but it's obviously not really the intent for him.

>>2349861
Exconde is purpose built to be the "lead from the front transport" pilot.

He can self spot, he has zig zag, fervor and divine intervention to not get punished for being aggressive.
I cannot tell you how many times I throw him in the middle, pop out yaz with a short range smg, shoot a bunchof dudes 3 times and apply dots and rout them if not outright kill them and pop back in

>>2349867

I swear to god I think he has real talent has mech pilot simply because he can tank a hit form Rogue Army that woudl usually one shot your mech. And has the opportunity to back off.

Honestly I kinda bummed only of his initial skill everything else he seems quite solid. Either recon mech pilot or regular tanker. I know the real deal with him is mobile infantry but I was just trying with different roles.

>>2349763
>5th operation
Pretty sure you can hire another SL.

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>yet another shit game that has to be fixed by modders
How fucking embarrassing

>>2349512
Stop playing on normal, casual.

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>>2349881
>the vanilla AI avoids attacking anything if they are remotely tough
jesus fuck who made this retarded pussy AI

>>2349861
Achilleas can get it as well, throw the improved sensors accessory on top and he can happily go play around as a pretty much entirely self sufficient combat monster.

>>2349869
The problem with that strat is RA. Divine intervention only procs once, and late-game there's never just one ATGM team, and not even smoke can stop lock-ons once he's locked on. Against RA, you can only use him until you run out of smokes to stop that first lock-on, and then he's dead.

Are all Martians tiny like Marta?
Shouldn't they be lanky due to Mars's low gravity?

>>2349917
gravity is fake anon

>>2349778
You are wrong and don't think through anything about the game.

I see elsewhere that retards think 8-man squads are ideal. They are not. "Oh but I want maximum firepower", well you retarded niggercattle you can put those squaddies into another squad spreading out your firepower out and preventing it all getting locked down by one mistake. Or just faceroll into the AI and get your 8 man squad pinned and reload the game 50 times until it finally works out for you. Lucky for you, that is also a viable strategy.

>>2349548
C6 is ok and one of the other tripod mounts that works, I didn't say there were only two like you assumed as some kind of mentally deficient retard, but they nerfed it from the demo when it was really good. Now it's just mediocre. The autocannon works just fine as long as it's on a high accuracy SL as I stated. None of the tripod mounted weapons are standout specifically because the AI skirts around them as much as possible, but they can still be used as long as you put in the extra effort to make it happen. All around they are not ideal and most players will naturally find themselves avoiding the tripod weapons because the cost savings are a meme and the AI cheats concealment.

>>2349539
There is no such thing as reddit spacing you dumbass newfag.

>>2349883
Someone who thought he was too clever for the end users and ignored everyone's feedback from 6 months ago.

>>2349920
>There is no such thing as reddit spacing you dumbass newfag.
Wtf are you even talking about. Yes there is.

>>2349927
No there isn't you absolute dumbfuck tourist. It was nothing but a meme to draw out retards who've never used 4chan and come here directly from reddit. You don't understand a goddamn thing about this place and stick out like a sore thumb.

Nobody gives two fucking shits about how your text is formatted except newfags desperate to fit in.

So sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>2349928
>Losing his shit over being called a redditor
>dogshit opinions
>continues to format his text like a retard
Lurk more. Finish a run of the game before you post a shit take.

>>2349883
>>2349881
Did they try to overcomplicate the AI and try to badly make it 'smart', without thinking about what would be fun?

>>2349929
How about you shut the fuck up newfag. You contribute absolutely nothing to every discussion and whine about how someone formats their fucking text like some effeminate eunuch. You piss and shit yourself over "reddit spacing" because you don't have a fucking argument. It's worth even less than a "no you!" due to your lack of fucking balls to just disagree. You hide like a coward behind a concern troll over grammar, because you know you don't have an actual argument.

I do not give two fucking shits about what you think reddit spacing is. Go stick your reddit spacing up your fucking asshole.

>>2349933
Terra Invicta and Long War for nu-xcom 1 (less so for nu-xcom 2) both have the same kind of feeling to their AI behaviour that this game does. To wrap it up in as simple a way as I can think, the AI is designed to metagame and thus, to be metagamed. Which is exactly what happens - the AI knows where your concealed units are, it knows how to perfectly avoid deployed/anti-tank weapons and skirts around it all without taking risks. Not because it actually makes any sense - by any right the ideal approach in most missions is the AI being absurdly aggressive as it massively outnumbers the player and doesn't need to care about losses at all - but because someone thought they were being clever and countering 'good player' strategies and therefore making the AI harder.

They actually made the AI stupidly easy. It's just that now the player must also metagame the AI because its behaviour is ABSURD. You know it's going to perfectly skirt your antitank weapons on a breakthrough map so you purposefully deploy cheap weapon teams and leave a gap that goes through a minefield and into your actual force, and the AI beelines its entire army into that gap and dies.

Whereas a human player facing the same situation would scout and probe, fix strong units (and I don't mean the suppression mechanic necessarily) and go around or break the remaining hardpoints.

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>the AI work perfectly guy is back
>he is still as retarded and obnoxious cunt like he always was( and will be)

>>2349946
>reddit spacing
Why you have to be mad, is only 4chan.

>>2349933
>Did they try to overcomplicate the AI and try to badly make it 'smart', without thinking about what would be fun?
yes, that was also the thing with BB AI(still is to a extent)
>>2349925
Devs are averse to real feedback, especially if it goes against their head canon, honestly I do not expect it become any better

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>>2349946
AI sucks but seriously, chill out, why you playing to the hands of baiters and sperg like some retard with chip on his shoulder?

>>2349954
I enjoy being mad. >>2349952

>>2349953
I have been in those shoes, on the receiving end of such feedback. Very often, what a player is telling you is both absolutely fucking retarded, and also true. The struggle isn't listening to feedback, it's UNDERSTANDING the feedback. Players will tell you all kinds of stupid shit about what they think is happening and how it could be fixed. You, as a dev, have to be able to intelligently interpret and parse what they are ACTUALLY saying.

By far the most important thing you have to do when you're getting feedback is kill your own ego and view it all as dispassionately as possible, and I just don't think most people in general are capable of it. Certainly not the kind of emotional and neurotic wrecks that make up most development and modding teams these days.

For this AI, they are clearly trying to make it difficult, that's good.
What is not good is the AI making nonsense decisions because it knows things it shouldn't, as a shortcut. Not because shortcuts like this are bad, but because the end result of this shortcut is not working.

The game in general feels designed by people who are not actually familiar with battlefield tactics and strategies, or war in general, but instead with videogames and puzzles. A battle is a puzzle to solve; not a series of actions and reactions. The AI perfectly avoiding unit ranges is the sort of behaviour you'd see in a puzzle game like Advance Wars, but it is not what a human player or a real military action would be like. It is not what happens in a tactics game.

When you understand they are designing this like a puzzle game and not a tactics game, you understand why the AI is how it is and why they've ignored so much feedback on it; because you (and I and likely much of their audience for this game) want a tactics game, not a puzzle game. They maybe don't even realize this themselves.

>>2349881
>wtf playing on harder difficulties is too hard
>no I'm not gonna turn the difficulty down, I'm gonna call the devs a retard instead

>>2349961
>>wtf playing on harder difficulties is too hard
the problem is that playing is too easy and AI is too easy to break

>>2349958
It may be that devs are now behind hundreds of discord and steam mods and outsourced both game development and feedback, so they get filtered feedback if any at all.
Of course that is only one of possibilities

All of the SL automatic special weapons really ought to fire more shots or cost less AP. Only the light """chaingun""" stands out in this regard and for no particular reason other than the risk of being completely useless when it jams on the first salvo. Another option would be to roll it into the standard attack so the SL fires along with the squad like normal except his weapon just behaves differently and theoretically is better.

1 - everyone shoots, max range is set to lowest denominator, 2 - fire squad weapons only, 3 - fire MG / IAR only

>>2349961
Making the AI more aggressive makes the AI more difficult, not less. Especially on challenging and expert where it's got the numbers to suffer some losses just to get in range and cause attrition.

I can't even count the number of times I moved a squad forward without doing any recon, and then revealed a hidden unit perfectly positioned to gape my squad's collective puckered assholes, and the enemy unit falls back instead of engaging because the AI calculus favored caution over aggression for some absurd reason.

>>2349963
Who can say for sure. As a dev, you've got to be on top of gathering feedback and finding ongoing discussions, preferably where those discussing actually don't know if anyone is listening, as that tends to be more authentic. Two friends discussing the game in a private steam chat with each other is more illuminating than a feedback forum or a discord chat dedicated to the game.

>>2349967
During the demo I felt that the way special weapons worked was ok; takes away a little firepower for some utility.

But now I think you're correct - the squad special weapon, at least some of them like the LMG's, should be making attacks alongside the rest of the squad's regular attacks. As it stands currently, there's pretty much zero draw to an LMG (certainly with the same range as your rifles but less killing potential and only a little more suppression), when you might as well just shoot the regular rifles, deal more damage, AND get reliable suppression effects on top.

Or it could be that armor does indeed need a buff/armor pen on rifles a nerf/LMG's an armor pen buff

there's a few ways it can really go, but right now it feels like having a special weapon in a squad that isn't anti-tank or a cover ignoring grenade launcher is a mistake.

It also doesn't help at all that the LMG's in particular are so far backloaded in the game's progression that you don't see them until your primary weapons have alrady become do-everything superguns.

>>2349969
The problem with current special weapons is partially connected with SqL extra deploy costs which make weapon teams extra costly compared to riflemen teams

>>2349972
Well you're paying the overhead on an SL either way, but I get what you mean; you can't have genuinely cheap squads because of that overhead. You either commit to making the squad an effective generalist, or you've got an expensive weapons team that isn't very good outside niche situations that the AI actively avoids.

I don't know how much the AI pays for their 2 man snipers or 3 man autocannons and mortars, but it's probably sub-100 pts. Almost certainly sub-150, and you'd struggle to match that even with a 1-star SL like jean with a 15% off coupon, let alone any of the actual capable squad leaders, and even if you do match what the AI pays, you've only got jean. You don't have 5 jeans to spread the teams around like the AI does.

>>2349975
No you don't get it, he's saying special weapons have to deploy when riflemen don't.

>>2349967
Special weapons that aren't specifically anti tank definitely need to be looked at. Hell even the mining laser could use an AP reduction. The airburst grenade launcher also has a chance to jam ON ANY SHOT. I can understand if they want to limit you spamming it, but this is not how you balance a weapon.

>>2349972
It is partially connected but it isn't the root of the problem. Tech is a bignig and can fire an MMG standing, but then you realize the game makes him so small when you fire the MMG and its a very short burst. It is said over and over but a whole squad of people firing their primaries does the same thing, so there is simply no purpose to this. If you bring Tech with a min-size squad then he also feels small because its just one dude with a machinegun. This all goes for DMRs as well, those should be able to fire alongside the squad.

The SL-only weapon option has a "hold your nose" smell from a game design standpoint. This needs rework.

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>>2349928
You clown lol.

>>2349950
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
You need to learn new rhetoric lol. Been playing this game for weeks and you've never once been correct

>>2349341
the game is easy rn
it's never that randomly punishing either unlike battle brothers which is nice
even a direct artillery shell doesn't instakill a whole squad

>>2349958
>players will tell you all kind of stupid shit about what they think is happening and how it can be fixed
Yeah, the entire rest of your post and this thread in general is proof of that.

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>>2350002
>>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
>You need to learn new rhetoric lol. Been playing this game for weeks and you've never once been correct

>>2349958
>The struggle isn't listening to feedback, it's UNDERSTANDING the feedback. Players will tell you all kinds of stupid shit about what they think is happening and how it could be fixed. You, as a dev, have to be able to intelligently interpret and parse what they are ACTUALLY saying.
Just need to pay attention to "what is happening" part and completely ignore "how it could be fixed" part.

There's no convenient store round there parts.

>>2349678
Steelrot Shanty?

>>2349920
Not that anon but
>Only the autocannon and grenade launchers are worth it
you did imply only the AGL and autocannon are tripod weapons worth using, and the tripod HMG is still better than the autocannon in every way, high accuracy SL or not.

>>2350117
I mean It's only "dead" while you're on having a meltdown Ivan, there's like 4 threads with thousands of replies, you're not achieving much kek

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>>2350142
>muh russia out of nowhere
Nayrt but c'mon, man.

>>2350159
Lol, lmao. Yeah more like 60% easy
>but you were having constant schizoid meltdowns and ruined all those threads
>but none them were ruined by schizoid meltdowns
pick a talking point faggot

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I'm finding the hardest part of expert isn't the massive amount of enemies, it's the damn authority gains being reduced.

I can barely afford an extra SL, now Darby is tired and I have no fucking clue what to do since I spent everything on her

>>2350164
I recommend anyone playing expert to use Carda and Rewa.
Things that rely on killing enemies (team spirit, Rewa's passive) suddenly become a lot better when there's a fuckton of enemies, with both Carda and Rewa on the field Rewa's accuracy skyrockets with just a couple of kills and then you're taking out 3 enemies per turn with each salvo

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>>2350142
Ivan here, its not me this time
too busy getting crocodil and doing war crimes

>>2350172
I am laughing at this pic right now
its like some crudely drawn wojak put on top of photo
I need to check how he look in game

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he really looks like this in the game
like what the hell, its hilarious

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same for Ivy

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>>2350181
Right? He looks like white not a slav

>>2350186
I mean his uniforms

>>2350175
For me its the gloves, kinda wish they keep it like that, it looks way too funny.

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>>2350191

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So I'm at a crossroads (expert)

Do I go for the Yaz-Exconde wombo combo (I don't really have a transport pilot and mobile infantry) or do I go infantry heavy and go for Sachin or Vamplew?

>>2350197
the safest bet is probably getting an infantry at that stage. id be tempted to get exconde and field double vehicles double infantry and have a backup for when someone gets tired, but i dont know if you can do the points for that. i havent used any of those infantry so i cant really say whats best

>>2350200
Yeah I'm also leaning in that direction, the question is should I go Vamplew or Sachin, I know Sachin is good vs Menace but I'm mostly facing pirates and rogue army now

>>2350197
Unless you can immediately get him up to divine intervention, Exconde is going to get locked on by an enemy officer or jeager and then die to an ATGM with Yaz soon to follow.

>>2349969
>As it stands currently, there's pretty much zero draw to an LMG
The LMGs that need deploying aren't that great, but for some reason the lighter SAW versions that don't need deploying are ridiculous insta-pin machines that will max out an enemy's suppression bar in one volley. I can only assume the logic there was that on paper the LMG has significantly more killing power but in practice between needing to deploy and being so inaccurate it's just straight worse than its little brother.

>>2350203
I feel like Vamplew can only shine with Pike babysitting him with Rally, cause yeah he can tank a lot but he also gets supressed/routed all day

>>2350206
Vamp's unique ability kind of sucks. As the game is right now, you want to not get shot at all. And if you do, you want to be in cover. I've had him as the first dossier SL and I didn't get to use his special until the end of EA

>>2350197
Sachin hands down the most costeffective sl rn.
And you can have Bog as dedicated radar user.

>>2350208
Vamplew actually not that bad, but he need good armor + lot of squaddies for case if shit happen, that mean it will be expensive. His ability to lower ap cost for fire with support weapon not help, he certainly need for fire with primary weapon one.

>>2350208
>>2350208
Did you solo the entire game with Darby or some other bullshit? I absolutely refuse to believe that you went through the entire game without Vamp ever getting shot at four times in a mission with how many trash enemies the game throws at you.

>>2350220
>I absolutely refuse to believe that you went through the entire game without Vamp ever getting shot at four times in a mission
I guess it could happen on normal

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Went for Sachin in the end, hope I don't regret not having mobile infantry

>>2350226
You have Carda for MI. With 90 ap she can go out, shoot twice and go in.

I've noticed some things about the game, and by watching other players play. A lot of players really build their SL's and units like shit, and then complain about supply costs.
>crowbars
If you're not running them with full squads YOU. ARE. WRONG. Semi auto rifles don't shoot that much so the more the better. Running Mag Pouches combined with Hollow Points will kill virtually any biological enemy that isn't armored.
>ARC/KPAC
You can get away with less soldiers than crowbar or hammers, as more rounds fired equals more suppression. For the ARC, run AP or match ammo, and for KPAC's run HP or REND.
>SMG's/shotguns
Players REALLY need to stop maxing squads with these weapons, they do fucktons of damage and suppression, nearly 50% of the damage is completely wasted on corpses. AP or REND ammo is best.

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>>2350225
>>2350223
>>2350228
What are you trying to accomplish?

>>2350229
>Running Mag Pouches combined with Hollow Points will kill virtually any biological enemy that isn't armored.
Which is basically just basic bitch aliens and pirates

The thing is, anything can kill basic bitch aliens and pirates

>ARC/KPAC
Just suppression tools while you wait for the actual things that kill

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I love him

>>2350233
>basic bitch
Yeah which the crowbar and hammer suffers against.
>suppression tools
Let me guess, you keep shooting at pinned enemies without moving and then cry about running out of ammo don't you?

>>2350233
t. retard

>>2350236
I think a lot of people must be rigidly sticking to the idea that you should always be fighting at extreme range to maintain concealment as much as possible at all times or something. Getting all up in the enemy's business really is the way to go, even Menace constructs don't like an ARC or K-PAC squad shooting them in the face from a tile or two away.

So is growth an actual meme, or is it actually good?
Like how sever are the diminishing returns? Can you realistically get to 120AP?

>>2350235
>supplycost 80
i can bring 3 infantry for the same cost
our fav girl with a mortar is better for half the cost

>>2350245
You're looking at about 8-10 AP increase on your SLs by the end of the EA if you take the perk to boost growth potential and use them almost every mission. There is nothing stopping you from playing further.

So is growth an actual meme, or is it actually good?
Like how sever are the diminishing returns? Can you realistically get to 120AP?

>>2350226
put crowbar on him. his 150% supression bonus means u can have fatigues on him making him dirt cheap 8 team just firing from max range will make anyone in cover pinned
or just put 2 into suppressed so they miss half their shots

>>2350245
It's long distance choice that allow you to get more stats.
>Can you realistically get to 120AP?
With needed amount of battles why not. But probably will take really lot of battles.

>>2350249
>>2350253
Yeah but I was more interested in how severe the diminishing returns are, like is growth just a catch up mechanic for 1 star SLs? Do 3 stars actually get much out of it considering they start with high stats already?

So guys. What's the verdict? Is the AI cheating or not? As it been fixed by stealth super secret patches installed without out knowledge to hide how incompetent the dev is? Are the hoodedhorse shills still defending the AI or still attacking it or whatever it was?

>>2350255
Growth is basically additional rolls for get stat.
No, they won't get much if you mean difference between 110->115 and 110->120. And 15 supplies cost is too much anyway.

>>2350256
>>2350256
>Is the AI cheating or not?
honestly, don't care, most ''AI" cheat in one way or another, the problem is that its just neither fun nor challenging to playa against

>>2350256
I hadn't played since last patch so idk.
No patchnotes about ai improvements so i think it still the same cowardly cheater with maphack.

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>>2350255
Carda needs like 60 missions just to catch up to pike's starting point

>>2350256
Why do you still call it a special operation if it's been going on for 4 years, isn't it kind of pathetic?
1 more year and you guys will surpass WWII lol

>>2350260
>60 missions
That's a lot, by that point in the game I could field a panzer division

>>2350258
>>2350259
So you faggot still shilling by saying the AI is good. Nice to know some things never change. Fucking schizo. Just admit your AI cheats. Dumbfuck liars
>>2350262
>1939-1945 is 5 years
niggers can't into math

>>2350243
People don't understand what fire and maneuver is, even though the game goes out of it's way to teach you this. The entire player base is either borderline retarded or simply can't fucking read. Everyone wants to run max promotion, max equipped, max squads and gets butthurt when they can't. Players just want to run "the best" but don't understand that the "best" tools aren't always best for that job. I see so many people just run crowbars for 3 or 4 man squads and it's honestly painful to watch people just piss away supply.

>>2350264
Wash sperm from your eyes idiot.

>>2350266
>brings up his faggot fantasies from nowhere
Just admit you're a retarded shill

>>2350260
Well it less than 20 operations, not that much.
Also she really no need 100 ap to be useful. For clowncar enough 90.

>>2350251
Add match grade ammo, pouches, and using soft armor and you have the best value SL in the game.

>>2350269
Carda will always be the best value SL in the game, just team spirit alone puts her above everyone else

>>2350270
>slow
>shit until turn 4
>needs athletic
Nah.

>>2350264
>saying the AI is good
>the problem is that its just neither fun nor challenging to play against
learn to read, AI suck and so you
the problem is not even that it cheat, it plain suck

>>2350272
>learn to read
>incomprehensible gibberish
Shut up faggot, stop shilling. You don't even know what you're talking about
>the AI doesn't cheat
Are you new?

>>2350274
it cheat, but it also suck even with cheats
that it is cheating is not even its biggest problem
learn to read you fucking mongrel

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>>2350274
The AI doesn't cheat, the problem is, you just suck, you're complete trash at the game and you cannot accept it, so you have a meltdown about the AI cheating.

The AI has quite literally the same information you do, if you see someone outmatching your unit and retreat into the fog of war, you don't just suddenly go "oh I wonder what could that ? possibly be!", you know it's that same unit moving through the edge of your vision, that's what the AI does.
If you see a unit that outmatches your unit you don't just move aggressively like a retard, you move out of range and wait for a more favorable situation, that's what the AI does.

What's happening is that your weak ego cannot accept that you're actually just bad at the game, so you call the AI cheating, you don't actually want a "non-cheating AI", you want a dumb AI to validate your subhuman vatnik intellect as competent.
Hope that helps!

>>2350266
holy esl

>>2350279
>frognigger
Opinion discarded. Get new material if you are going to run damage control, faggot.

>>2350279
>The AI has quite literally the same information you do
This is verifiably untrue the moment you put scout on anyone lmao, AI will immediately start running away into the fog of war if it's outspotted even though it shouldn't know you are there.
>b-but!
Yeah, we get it, you are paid per post to blatantly lie about the state of the game.

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I see we're in the deathspiral of 'anons are bored of the game now and have nothing new to talk about' stages of the thread

>>2350283
>This is verifiably untrue
No it's not, please stop lying.

>>2350279
I haven't seen any evidence in my games that the AI cheats. I sometimes discover a pirate rocket truck 7+ turns into the game that hasn't shot at me once because it didn't have vision of my units.
The AI know the range of my units' weapons once they see me but I know the same of the AI so it's fair. I think the only real issue with AI is its defensive and elusive behavior rather than what it knows. It needs to be more aggressive so the missions are about fun battles rather than walking around a desert while the enemies walk out of your weapon range rather than shoot at you.

Actually I think maybe the AI does cheat with the OCI activated abilities. Strafing/Ion canon runs are useless because the AI knows where you place it and simply walk out of it. They shouldn't have access to that information.

>>2350285
Here, another opportunity to get couple more rupees by "defending" the game on 4chan(formerly nel), shill-kun.

>>2350283
You also know when your units are spotted even if you can't see the enemy that spotted you. The little concealment indicator tells you if a unit is hidden or not.

>>2350286
>I think the only real issue with AI is its defensive and elusive behavior rather than what it knows. It needs to be more aggressive so the missions are about fun battles
You can either have a competent AI or a dumb but fun AI, you can't have both.
>Strafing/Ion canon runs are useless because the AI knows where you place it and simply walk out of it.
And sometimes they don't or they walk right into it, it's just confirmation bias, AI just patrols in the FoW in general.

>>2350288
You don't have the perfect knowledge to run into the fog of war in response to that. You will never see the AI get outspotted and run in the wrong direction to hide. It will always be into the fog and exactly 1 tile into the fog. People abuse that to actually land hits with otherwise useless call-ins like minigun strafe because of how predictably AI reads your view and weapon range.

>>2350290
>You can either have a competent AI or a dumb but fun AI, you can't have both.
I mean even then it's subjective, some might find the competent AI more fun than a dumb suicidal one.
That said whoever claims it's cheating is just bad at the game, i bait the AI all the time into killzones.

>>2350290
You can also have both dumb and unfun AI.
>>2350286
>The AI know the range of my units' weapons once they see me but I know the same of the AI so it's fair.
That is fine and dandy but AI also know range of weapons of teams that are hidden and know if they are deadly to it.

>>2350290
>You can either have a competent AI or a dumb but fun AI, you can't have both.
Says your ass. They aren't more competent by running away as opposed to fighting. A mech walking just out of my range isn't a competent move because I simply drive two tiles ahead and one-shot it with a rocket. Instead it could move forwards and take a shot at me. Just look at the defense missions where the AI actively tries to fight you to conquer a location. They aren't easier than other missions they are just more fun because the challenge comes from fighting enemies rather than trying to chase down some lonely hidden unit within 10 turns.

>>2350292
>some might find the competent AI more fun
Considering the AI cheating is the most common complaint this game's facing to the point that devs addressed that it's an issue and that they are working on it, that "some" is in the most insignificant minority and no small portion of that group are people actually paid to deny the game has any issues whatsoever.

>>2350283
>you're paid to post
Schizo lol

What's with the /pol/ spam

>>2350295
You were asked for evidence of them saying that two threads ago and never fucking showed it lol. And if that was true then why would they stealth fix it and pretend it isn't by sending shills to shut down anyone pointing it out?
>it's the most common complaint
No it is, the supply system is lol

>>2350301
Some retarded faggot had a meltdown cuz not everyone agrees with him that the game is shit and has cheating, broken AI

>>2350295
>Considering the AI cheating is the most common complaint this game's facing
Common is not an argument, most players are straight up just bad, particularly at strategy games.
People said the same about the TW AI just staying out of range of your armies, another game that, coincidentally allows you to check on movement range and another game that, coincidentally the AI stops "cheating" once it cannot see your army anymore, like when you're laying in ambush.

The average player being trash is not proof of anything.

>>2350302
>stealth fix it
is it fixed? i have last patch and its broken like always have been
t. pirate

>>2350302
No one owes you shit, niggerfaggot.
Screaming for "proofs" you ignore everytime to rerun the same routine because that's what you are paid to do isn't going to stop people from pointing out that it's the case.
Now squeal harder.

>>2350306
Screaming "do not believe your lying eyes" and trying to compare complaints in this game with complaints in a completely unrelated game are not an argument either. Most people are bad. Most people can also tell it's mighty fucking convenient that AI always skirts just 1 tile away from your undetected units maximum weapon range. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt as gullibly assume you are simply too stupid to understand that, rather than that you like the dipshit I replied to previously are being paid to do this.

>>2350307
No. There was a patch to make AI on hunt down x% enemy troops mission less prone to just running away into corners though it still does that every now and again. If you are at 0.6.6 or further, you should have it already.

>>2350310
>Most people can also tell it's mighty fucking convenient that AI always skirts just 1 tile away
See but the problem is the basis of your argument is untrue, it doesn't "always skirt just 1 tile away", it only does once you're revealed.
Once you're revealed, the AI gets the same ? marker you do, it knows something is there.

I can literally launch the game right now, start a mission with Darby, have her sit in the AI presence concealed for 5 straight turns without moving and they would remain within her range, want me to do it?

>>2350310
Are paid by the word, faggot?
>schizo nonsense
Meds. Stop spamming the thread with your delusions

>>2350312
He doesn't play the game lol, no point in engaging concern trolls
>I only think the game is shit and the devs are plotting to get me cuz I actually love it and just want it to be better

>>2350312
You can try, end result will be identical to outspotting units with scout, they'll magically keep moving away from the unit they are not supposed to know about unless they are actively engaged in combat.

>>2350314
You are powerless to stop people from talking about AI cheating in this game. Keep squealing.

>>2350317
Retardbro, he can't stop engaging with "trolls" else he won't be paid.

>>2350319
You seem to know a lot about how this works lol. Is this why you shit up every thread with your endless delusions?

>>2350321
>squealing shill now shifted to the "no u" routine
Pathetic.

>The AI is not broken, it just happens to appear that way in every second mission!
What the actual fuck is going on ITT?

>The "no u" routine
this shit again. You do it every thread. Is this all you know? How to repeat yourself and try and gaslight everyone?

>>2350324
Come on, anon. This isn't your first time seeing "people" being paid to lie on the internet. Especially surrounding HH published games.

>>2350326
Never played a HH published game before, are their threads usually filled with retards defending obviously broken AI elements?

>the massive evil hoodedhorse marketing department is under my bed
Meds
>they're here to lie about something the devs have already admitted to and are actively fixing apparently
Meds

>>2350328
A learning experience, then.

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>>2350318
>You can try
Look at the turn numbers, do you see how Darby is literally standing still and different enemies keep patrolling and moving right in her firing range?

Do you believe me now?

>>2350331
Bro he doesn't even know what that means. He's just some jeet sent here to lie for some reason as if anyone's who's played the game actually agreed with him

>>2350329
>they're here to lie about something the devs have already admitted to and are actively fixing apparently
So it's an issue?

>>2350331
I'm seeing 5 different units suddenly becoming aware of the unit they cannot spot and refusing to re-enter her spotting range.

>>2350333
>greentext confuses the jeet
We've been here before.

>>2350331
>Units will stay in her vision, see?
>Different units each time, all actively leaving her targeting range
Lol, lmao

>>2350334
>>2350336
Isn't it obvious they're just patrolling..

Alright I give up, you're actually just trolling.

>>2350336
>different enemies do this
>ha I got you it's different enemies doing this
are you stupid?

>>2350338
>The issue is the AI runs away from units it literally shouldn't be aware of outside of 'i can be spotted' checks
>AI demonstrating this somehow is not proof of this???

>>2350339
They're literally walking in range of a unit that is standing perfectly still, you're either a complete dumbfuck or trolling, there's no other way.

>>2350337
Of course he is. Day in and out it's just
>the AI is cheating
>actually no it's broken
>the devs admitted its a pblm
>no they didn't, and they won't cuz they're bad
>also they fixed it but without patch notes while your internet was down
>oh no the HH shills are here to talk bad about the game so that it never gets fixed or something as if that made sense
It's literally nonsense from these guys cuz they're retards. One of these niggers spent half the day spamming the thread with /pol/ shit cuz nobody believes their schizo theories. It's just jeets man

>>2350337
Yeah, they all just so happen to patrol away from the unit that spotted them and never returning to that spot again in 9 rounds.
You are a moron. You went through the motions of trying to disprove the AI cheating and accidentally have displayed the exact behavior you were adamantly denying.

>>2350340
They are noticeably running away from units they can't see lmao.

>>2350339
It's obvious you don't play the game and have just absorbed talking points from the other shills and are now regurgitating them

>>2350340
No they are not, lmao.
Every unit in the image you posted is a unique, different enemy that walks in, gets spotted and runs away never to return. Unironically what were you thinking this test would accomplish?

>>2350345
Nigger the reason how I know how the AI acts is because I've been binging the game for the last two weeks lmao.

>>2350342
You can literally see "eliminate" targets patrol in the fog of war, have they also been spotted? Fucking retard

>>2350348
>I love this shit game saar

>>2350351
I never called the game 'shit' you retard, it just has broken AI.

>>2350349
Shh, don't tell him about the pirates having access to motion trackers too. His brain might really break

Is there any suggestions on new weapons or gear that should be a thing? I have a few.
>heat sink (infantry)
Increases energy weapon heat pool by 50% can not be stacked.
>heat sink (vehicle)
Same as above.
>M(ARS)-14
The Magnetic Accelerator Rifle System-14 is the end stage of kinetic weaponry, firing 3x15mm depleated uranium sabots at 4000 meters per second the penetration and terminal effects on targets are in a word, catastrophic. Even powered infantry hardsuits are vulnerable to this weapon system, and as such is strictly controlled by the TCR.
>vehicle railgun
The long barreled tank guns final form. NOTHING survives this.
>inferno rifle
The T2 flamethrower, and essentially a 40k Melta.
>plasma blastgun
The short barrel tank guns final form.

>>2350354
Only some pirates have motion trackers, and yeah of course they should use player locations for their movement decisions IF they use them.

>>2350349
Yeah, walking back and forth multiple times across 9 turns. Something the 5 units displayed in the image didn't do because they know there's an enemy there.
Here's a conundrum, unlike the other guy, you don't actually seem to me like someone paid to do this because you went through the effort of making a test that confirms something the shill's been working overtime to deny. You actually strike me as someone too stupid to fathom that AI has more information than you and it actively acts on it even as the game shows you that's whats happening, which is sad because you actually saw it play out in real time instead of watching a collage of a few images.

>>2350354
>implying the retard actually reads unit descriptions and targets units accordingly
Anon.

>>2350331
He is right tho. AI walk into your spotting range, can't see her but know that its outgunned and retreat.
AI do not have map hack aka know where all player units are but they know when they get spotted(like a player) even by units that still are hidden(like a player unit) but also know hidden unit weapon range and if they feel outguned(based on hidden team weapon, their own toughness and friendly units nearby) the AI chicken out.
So the AI have some sort of knowledge that it should not have, I seen it try to lose LoS with units that are hidden but can hurt them but ignore units that are hidden but can't hurt them(or are low on danger list).
This is also affected by mission type(some have units that are patrolling, or are asleep, other have units that try to capture the flag which are more aggressive).
AI units in general are more cowardly the more soft they are. Like in case of bugs - bombardiers and fliers will play hide and shoot when warriors will charge. Similar for boarding commandos and vet scavengers vs outlaws.
AI also tend to be more aggressive if there are allies nearby, isolated units tend to run away really easy. I have one RA infantry units run from unarmed drone once(it was only spotted by drone).
Is AI have some extra knowledge(about hidden unit weaponry and ranges) - YES. ((Its also predictable and abusable by player as AI tend to avoid hard counters if it can.))
But it also lack ability to exploit that knowledge and target hidden units. Player can shoot at hidden units but I didn't see AI to do that once.
So its not a map hack.
I think the cowardly AI problem is more a problem with core game concept - spot, stealth, weapon range and lethality and turn order/system. Its not like AI is smart, it try to metagame badly and so its easy to abuse.
*Also try to push with Derby but not shoot at AI and see if it try to hold position.

>Developers have outright said the AI is using information it shouldn't have access to and is making decisions improperly
>Somehow people are saying the AI is working as intended, despite the actual developers of the game saying otherwise
Wut

>>2350352
>I never did the needful sir

>>2350360
The publisher knows better than the devs.

>>2350362
So the publisher is shitting up these threads? No wonder the devs seem sort of pissed off lmao.

>>2350364
Maybe. HH is well versed in marketing blitz and shills are not beyond them but it just too poorly done. I think its just some fag who do it for free and try to defend his favourite devs like he is defending his favourite football club.

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You made me relaunch the game, are you satisfied?
Can you give it a rest now?

>>2350360
>source:my ass

>>2350368
>inb4 I was only pretending to be retarded!
Finally maybe this will put the argument to rest

>the HH bogeyman is everywhere saar

>>2350355
>Is there any suggestions on new weapons or gear that should be a thing? I have a few.
I want weapons you can only use with power armor.
And I want power armor, I also want shields and melee weapons.

>>2350368
Veteran scavengers(well armored), your darcy not deploying so crocodile don't count, they are outside AK range

>>2350368
>Using shittest weapon in the game against decently armored elite troops
>Wondering why they actually move in to take a shot

>wait here while I move the goalposts you bloody benchod bitch