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>>2378719
I got an idea for a mod, its the California 2026 governor race featuring Hilton Vs Swalwell, where all the bad shit about Swalwell gets leaked after the election.
It would still be basically impossible for Hilton to win, even with more and more crazy shit about Swalwell being leaked.
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It is rigged against you, so you need to agressively use your Shadow Cabinet ties to rig it back for yourself. If you do it correctly, a new option will appear for the final debate with Markovic. Heed Keneth Martin.
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I’ll be surprised if this new AC update isn’t just bloat for bloat’s sake. All the new candidates look boring and Mike Gravel as the obvious surprise(?) would be a gimmick that’s been done to death, Zuckerberg would be better it could be like Steve Jobs in W. but not completely gay and shitty this time.
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>>2385895
It still sucks. Its more of an interesting time piece than a mod, a look inside the mind of a lib in the middle of the Biden admin. Thatchmaster is a genius for making his first mod about Trump, all his ESLisms are easily excused as trumpspeak, even when the parts that aren't trumpspeak showcase the same poor grasp of the english language.
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>>2385895
>add a candidate tracker
>it doesn’t give hints on how to get various opponents
Literally what was the point? You still need to bash your head against the mod for hours or just follow a reddit guide to get specific opponents. Is Thatch retarded?
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>>2385959
Hillary was always the only person to canonically lose to Trump. I’ve actually seen speculation before that AC is supposed to be a “double blind” due to that line you see at the very beginning “An Alternate History where Donald Trump was elected the 45th President of the United States”. The idea being that he’s seen as a total loser in a Hillary wins timeline, so someone in that alternate world would make the game with everyone except Hillary beating Trump, Hillary being the lone loser because she’d be seen as uniquely flawed for Trump to have actually become President in the first place.
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>>2385980
Crazy how much of a blatant ripoff the Oprah stuff is. Like its just Steve Jobs in W again, down to AC already having a final boss opponent (Big Mike Obama) that was way more interesting and ever so slightly more nuanced than the new final boss.
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>>2386004
I thought it was just a call back to how Hillary (at the time) was the only person who lost to Trump. The Harris Path came out when Astro & Co thought she would win in an absolute landslide and with Iowa too.
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Part of the “Double Blind” theory also is that there is only one single canon result if Trump dies from Covid, Pete Buttigieg beating Pence. If Trump dies against Biden, Bernie, Warren, Hillary or Kamala you still see Pete in the historical section at the end of the game. This led to speculation that Trump dying and Pete beating Pence is the “one true canon” of AC
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>>2385895
American Carnage is still a bad mod. I don't know what any of the options do, it's so hard to read with all the Trump-speak, and it's just not an interesting time now giving how much crazier things have gotten since
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>>2386037
Yeah, I was looking into them and they are all either very fringe or just not interesting at all.The whole Oprah path felt weak writing-wise and the Marianne/De Blasio variables was annoying to navigate.
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>>2385895
>pointless variable pop up that doesn’t help you at all
>new opponents all suck
>margins are terrible, downright laughable
>bloated question count
>gimmicky game-within-game that clearly took time away from making the actual mod enjoyable
>fucking guy that made this mod can’t be assed to spellcheck and thinks his broken engrish is enriching the experience
Can’t say I’m really a fan, anon.
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>>2386241
>margins are terrible, downright laughable
The fact that the red wave opponents are wayyyy harder than the blue wave/blip ones is ludicrous. No way in hell would most of America vote for these people lmfao.
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I feel like even on the subreddit the reception is frosty towards the update but nobody wants to be the one to say it and get downdooted. That or they’re really consoomer-brained and actually thought this was good, more power to them ig
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>>2386245
There are two kinds of people who post on the subreddit, braindead consoomers or wannabe modders that pick and choose what they like to kiss ass and keep up appearances. You won’t get a genuine take out of either of them.
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>>2378719
ABAR team is apparently doing a poll on what they are doing next.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPeMI5tYQwFDqR37wZK0vwqCTcmJ IDW4Mcu3tiNudneYrChQ/viewform?usp=p ublish-editor
Personally I prefer the Perot incumbency concept
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>>2387491
Ehhhh this is at least a map that has a handful of states be weird. Vice’s issues was like half the states would make no sense with Cheney winning like California and Illinois and losing South Carolina to Obama. Even the first map of the polling you see in the beginning of the game doesn’t make sense in Vice. So I think completely unfair comparison.
Maybe if the update had came out and fixed the margins, but Vice right now is just too slapdash to be compared positively to AC even with its many problems. It’s a mod copying everything else and with no vision of its own.
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>>2387702
nta but Trump winning DC is more inexcusable than any of the ones you mentioned, even by a plurality a Republican let alone Trump cannot get over 10% there these days, and AC makes no attempt at rationalizing it. It’s a pretty fair critique.
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>>2389226
>20 years in power
>the vice president is running, again
>3rd party splitter from the left
>recession (even if smaller)
There is no fucking way they win that, Truman had way more on his side than that.
It better be a red tsunami in 2012 there's no way the democrats should be able to hold onto power for that long after the 90's.
It should be a supermajority red house, red senate, and majority red govenors by 2012.
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>>2389536
I would pick Ron Paul for a full shake up or Newt Gingrich, who in the Sundance timeline would be the most successful republican leader by default due to the 1994 mideterms making him significantly more powerful than otl.
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>>2390044
Ron Paul made some racist articles way back when but Gingrich doesn't have big ones from what I remember.
Personally I think Gingrich would take it, he would likely campaign on a sort of second republican revolution, which would be a lot stronger than in our timeline as the GOP hasn't held the presidency in 20 years.
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Lowkey have to give Thatchmaster a lot of credit for his policy of basically keeping quiet on things and not making an ass out of himself. Both AC and ATW, while good overall, have several gaping holes that a critic could point out, but he’s cultivated a good enough reputation that people aren’t exactly lining up to critique him.
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>>2390233
depends on the mod they make, ABAR team so far appeals to the normies who like replayability, and don't mind humanizing their political opponents
I can't tell you when it will happen, though I agree that it WILL happen, as the team doesn't follow the ideology of "compromise bad, progressives good" that the dictators that control much of the community have
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>>2390233
Mango will get bored and make an enemy out of ABAR team just for the hell of it eventually, he is incapable of not being a glutton for drama he’ll create his own if need be
>>2390496
It’s an Astro mod so t-minus immediately, also it’s liberal wank slop which the subreddit goons for so they’ll gas it up
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>>2390606
>it’s liberal wank slop which the subreddit goons for so they’ll gas it up
You know Atwater won when even Democrats believe that the boring moderate, a close friend of Clinton going back to their time together on the board of governors, was actually a bleeding heart liberal
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>>2390791
He was a national hero and especially on Fox News after 9/11, it makes sense. He was the 2008 frontrunner too, before the Bernie Kerik scandal and his comical discomfort with retail campaigning were exposed. imo the latter is harder to mock when he's the hero of 9/11
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>>2390832
Makes sense, they could have made some slides for the Perot winning path by simply asking Pat Choate some questions directly.
He's not that hard to contact from what I can tell, he's a frequent guest on a tiny podcast channel.
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>>2391472
Which answers appeal to each faction is easy to figure out, their themes are consistent. You can Benefit Check to see what the best answers are when they aren't four different straightforward faction ones.
2080 has a much more complex structure.
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>>2391451
The Hooper/Bernie/Crowder secret endings require you to choose any option other than "let them die" in the Nigeria flashback, then try to run for a fifth term as Jackson in Q3 and fail. On Q11, you should have an option to excoriate Jackson for trying to upend the rule of law and chart your own path. Then on Q26, go off script and say what you truly feel.
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>>2391730
In the game code there are five different Jacksonist ideologies:
Imperial Jacksonist
Jacksonist
Neo-Jacksonist
Progressive-Jacksonist
Progressive
Which one you are is determined by your answers to the first few questions of the campaign.
No aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Imperial Jacksonist
No aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Imperial Jacksonist
No aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Jacksonist
No aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Jacksonist
Some aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Imperial Jacksonist
Some aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Neo-Jacksonist
Some aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Neo-Jacksonist
Some aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Progressive-Jacksonist
Maximum aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Neo-Jacksonist
Maximum aid from Nigeria -> Jackson resigns voluntarily -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Progressive-Jacksonist
Maximum aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson relies on SOEs: Progressive-Jacksonist
Maximum aid from Nigeria -> Jackson refuses to resign -> Jackson transitions to a free market: Progressive
Basically your brand determines which vice presidents are available. You must be a Progressive-Jacksonist or an unqualified Progressive to get Crowder.
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>>2391751
hey. I don’t mean to intrude and interrupt the chitter chatter y’all are having but that mod fucking sucks donkey dicks and it’s clogging the thread so if you could stop talking and fuck off if it’s not too much trouble ofc we’d really really tots appreciate it. k thx!
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>>2391777
Its creator is petty and sick, too. This is the ending you get as the gay liberal candidate. It leaves a bad taste after what he did to Democracy's Martyrdom
https://postimg.cc/gallery/3xSnMZV
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>>2391996
I made a version that fixed the game-breaking bugs a month after they did nothing about them (It's STILL broken on CTS a year later, the version on NovaTCT is *mostly* fixed) and made fun of their libslop Trump derangement writing.
I don't think I did anything else, except maybe pester Rubix for releasing a mod in a fashion THIS broken. Seriously, you can try to play DM on CTS and see how many paths you get before you get a game crash.
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>>2391816
Literally what is wrong with this? Am I missing something? Like, yeah, it could be read as some "you will rot in hell fag" fantasy but it kinda makes sense, no? She just got blown tf out by (what I think are?) christian fundamentalists who don't like gays, and her attitude is just her being incredibly depressed by the loss and pessimistic about the future. Could be wrong though, idk, just feels like a nothingburger and a weird thing to get upset at.
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>>2391468
The only thing that comes to mind is meh. Playing as a micromanaging technocratic CEO-esque president is an interesting premise, but it mostly falls flat, largely due to Dukey himself just not being very interesting and his whole technocratic vision basically being Robert Reich getting let off the leash more than irl. Not to mention the inherit staleness of yet another incumbency sim.
I do wonder if the mainstream tct community will ever admit how played out these types of mods are, or if they’ll continue to clammer for yet more mods where you do the same shit over and over again. Increase congress points to pass bills, pick whether to go conservative/moderate/liberal, stumble around in the mod creator’s vague understanding of geopolitics, go for different opponents for a few tries before getting bored and looking up a reddit guide, et cetera ad infinitum. TCT is in desperate need of something new, like when Mouths of the South released and showed that you can make a fun mod with cyoa and lots of content without doing the same format that PWH created years ago. Of course no similar mods have released since, and MotS’ creator followed his inaugural mod with an absolutely awful W ripoff that was so bad that even the retards on reddit gained sentience for a brief moment and shit on it relentlessly. Of course after some time said retards realized they need more slop in their fat retarded pig mouths so Obamanation is actually good now :). What was I talking about oh yeah Duke. Its meh. Not really even worth talking about now that I think about it. The tranny that made it looks like a clown though lol.
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>>2392763
Gay rights issues aren't part of the opposing campaign, this future America is so conservative that she's not even able to say she's gay publicly. The ending portrays that as God's will and her as burning eternally for being a gay liberal
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>>2392842
This is also the third time this creator has written "haha seethe lib" endings, the one he maliciously added to Democracy's Martyrdom and the Vance landslide loss ending in 2032SS are of the same variety. But this goes beyond calling people Redditors, into frankly demented fantasies about people he doesn't like burning for eternity
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>>2392244
God who cares. The chink is a lolcow (as is most everyone associated with opentct) but I cannot think of anything more faggy than caring about him changing a couple lines of text in a broken shitty mod without telling the retard that originally put that garbage into the world. If the original creator cares so much about it he should have fixed it himself or just released a mod that actually functioned from the beginning.
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>>2392853
The funniest thing about the whole DM debacle is that the original creator didn't even bother checking what the random guy he let fix up his mod actually changed. Like it wasn't until after swansong that he realized his mod got chudded up. Imagine being that lazy lmao
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>>2391468
It, like almost every mod that has come out before it, is just meh. It's fine - boring - cliche, even.
The writing felt flat and uninteresting - maybe it comes with the territory of Mr Tankman's propensity towards being a boring managerialist, but I never felt like I was seeing things from his perspective. I only half felt like I understood what I was doing, with winning or losing just feeling like a gamble, and good God is that background an eyesore; but there was nothing that made me really hate it, and I think that was the problem.
Do people not get bored of this shit? An unending churning cycle of mods wherein you click the correct button to make the Congressional Relations variable number tick up, so you can pass a big bill and get your Major Achievement variable to go up like a chimp from a lab experiment, so just maybe you can see the 4 unique questions each different opponent comes with? Every single mod does this now. It feels like a color-by-numbers game where all you need to do is pick whichever dem you think could've saved the world in your irony-poisoned liberal fantasies and have them run through the cavalcade of "healthcare reform, some ongoing war, a red wave midterms" again (Obamanation, ATW, TTNW, Hope) - or maybe if you feel lucky, it'll be an excerpt from the writer's Substack about how this Republican Hitler is so much worse than the last Republican Hitler, who only exists to justify the next Republican Hitler. (W, AC, MtE).
It's a rape of the soul enacted by people who *really* think JFK would've gone down as America's greatest President had he not gotten his brains splattered in Texas.
Anyway it's a middle of the road 5/10 mod that'll be forgotten before summer.
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How does a 4chan thread have more insightful and honest opinions of the current state of tct modding than the actual people on the discord who make reviews about mods. Holy shit, tct is being beat by a website not even made to specifically discuss it.
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>>2392900
I guess I still think AC is a fantastic variation of this because it doesn't really matter if you get anything passed or not. Instead, it's more like you click how you want to be successful as President (which is more true to the modern presidency which is very focused on executive orders). Also, despite the fact that the mod seethes about Trump, it still makes you feel like a badass if you like Trump. I guess it goes to show it's always more fun to play a villain than a hero and that goes for mods as well.
I also think Y of Korea, despite being a classic incumbency sim, felt like a tremendous breath of fresh air thanks to it being about a foreign country. So I think that's something we could very much use more of. Like why isn't there a Milei or Pedro Castillo or Lula or Petro? It would still have the same seething about the right but it'd at least have something new to say.
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>>2392833
>even the retards on reddit gained sentience for a brief moment and shit on it relentlessly
That’s a point in its favor if anything. I, for one, am shocked the mod that shit on Obama the entire time and was not liked by Redditors.
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>>2391468
Impressively awful. Its so barren of any soul that it feels more plain than non-mod original CT elections. Literally the only parts that got a rizzle from me was the metatextual spite against Clinton and the bit where Byrd gets you the public option, later of which felt like a weak ass reference to TTNW. Its just so dry, the characters don't feel like actual characters and instead just quiz muppets, nothing interesting happens (it does the bare minimum to be a CYOA mod), difficulty is annoying and prohibitative for replaying different choices.
Does it have a message? No
Is it any fun to play? No
Does it have any cool things happen? No
Does it innovate technologically? No, and also the cards are an awful way to represent opponent pile
Will astro win a trifecta for coding, writing and making mods this year anyway? Yes
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>>2393140
Praying for you anon. Christ always loves you and his door is open for you whenever you wish. Whatever's going on in your life or whatever you did, there is nothing you can do to change the fact that God's door is always open and he wants to invite you to his kingdom.
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>>2392930
Don’t kid yourself chud, there is but a slither of reasonable and constructive criticism being levied here, the majority of this thread is nothing but scornful rejects and never-beens pissing themselves silly that they’ve been blacklisted or will never achieve a modicum of the popularity other mods they vulgarly lambast here have made. A model example of impotent rage in action if there ever was one. Stop trying to uncover the faults of others and look in the mirror for a change.
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>>2392850
Alright, yeah, with the additional context and his response I see your point. I still think at a first glance it looks pretty innocent and just adds some to the narrative of the mod, but yeah, once you know it does seem like plausible deniability to some extent. However, this is still kind of a nothingburger desu, at the end of the day it's just some random guy online bitching about gays, who cares.
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>>2394863
Probably not. The whole idea for NovaTCT was to be a place to host mods not under the control of the cartel. The problem was nobody but Galen and the Swansong guy wanted to (or had the ability to) make mods for it. A new website won’t change that. People just gotta dig into the code and learn how to make mods.
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>>2393796
desu this thread basically is the reddit at this point. There has got to be less than 5 posters here (because lets be honest there can't be more than like 30 unique anons in this thread) that didn't just come from the reddit to bitch about drama. I miss the days before Tom or opentct.
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>>2393709
Mostly true, but frankly speaking even the big modders that have achieved "popularity" have nothing but scorn for the tct community. Like I don't think there is a single member of the W team or their hangers on that doesn't constantly express their hatred for the average tct redditor/discord user. Even wholesome chungus astro eagerly derides redditors whenever the opportunity presents itself. Maybe it has more to do with the nature of tct. Braindead simple gameplay + ridiculous time investment (especially for modern mods) + being completely community driven + politics is a recipe for misanthropy whether you primarily post on Xitter or 4channel. Really everybody should just stop caring about this garbage, just leave this horrendous community and "game" behind. Nothing good has ever come from tct.
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>>2394926
>Braindead simple gameplay + ridiculous time investment (especially for modern mods) + being completely community driven + politics is a recipe for misanthropy whether you primarily post on Xitter or 4channel.
Holy trvke. The only thing missing from the formula is that the community is 90% underage hoi4 players.
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>>2394926
They act like they didn't make the community so retarded, I can't feel bad or agree with them because of that. You make the problem, you solve it. If you can't deal with the fact you made them so braindead, you're probably also braindead.
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>>2394926
>4channel.
That's a throwback, I remember how paranoid everyone was when that split was introduced. Then it was just randomly ditched. I guess the attempt to attract more 'clean' advertisement didn't work out.
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>Decide to browse /vst/ for once on a lark
>There's been a Campaign Trail thread here all along
I'd like to thank whatever anon made the let's play Campaign Trail threads back on /v/ a few months ago for introducing me to this redditslop. I genuinely enjoyed playing a lot of these.
Duke recently came out and I had a good time with that one too, though it's hard as balls. If you get the first few questions wrong, you have spiraled out of control without realizing it and can't possibly catch up in the 20 questions that follow. Game outskilled me hard.
Also, I'd be curious to know the politics of this general. I'm socially leftist but I imagine I'd be in the minority here, as is the case with the entire website.
>>2394053
Suzerain
And the DLC, Suzerain: Rizia
Cannot recommend those games enough. They're KINO. You can roleplay so many different political systems. Not perfect, but certainly more high quality than these mods.
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>>2392833
I’m baffled by people like you anon who describe Obamanation in the same terms as they do the other Democrat mods when narratively they’re tonally incompatible. I respect Obamanation because it’s one of the few Democrat mods that doesn’t pander to the dominant demsoc audience that plays this game, it clearly has disdain for both sides, both dominant ideologies of the DemParty, and the country itself, but the audience for this game can’t differentiate cynicism from nihilism and get hysterical when the leftist option doesn’t lead to insta linguistic fellatio and dopamine injection. Games like Hope and Icarus simply service the players of this game’s filthiest power fantasies (worse in the case of Hope which makes no attempt to criticize or challenge Bill Clinton, the belief that lionizing someone as rancid as him would draw equal ire would seem obvious, but you’d be wrong as is manifest, and as I am aware the blacklisted lot that are often on the 4chan boards here should feel shame in their participation. Mangolith was correct, spite of my proclivities to believe otherwise, that Hope is the most nakedly cynical mod in this game’s history and inarguably its most morally reprehensible) and they evoke little more than repulsion for me, self-evident why they’re more popular among them but that doesn’t equal out to being “good”, the problem with TCT (you deride the players, yet an equal problem present within you as is accepting their conceits as fact while articulating your argument) as a community is it actively discourages challenging the player’s pov unless it’s to browbeat them into obeying the worldview of the “progressive” demsoc one, it’d be easy to make a mod where you are Barack H Obama and you’re a plucky go-getter that’s fighting “the system”, this would garner quick success and few pushback (see: little big man). I applaud the effort to villainize him be it satirical (the disdain for him is in masquerade).
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>its good becuz democrats r bad
Worst post ITT and thats saying something. There was nothing brave or subversive about obamanation. It was a shitty W clone made during the time where the retards in the community were convinced that W was a satirical depiction of a Daily Kos lib's perspective on dubya's presidency. So obamanation was a satirical depiction of a facebook republican's perspective on obama's presidency. Only most of the way through obamanation's development the W team said in no uncertain terms that W was totally unironic, so the obamanation devs slapped together some tepid criticism from the left (drone strikes bad wow how brave) that doesn't even follow the basic conceit of the mod (obama's presidency from the perspective of a crazzzzzy tea party republican). So obamanation exists in a limbo between tea party/conspiracy rhetoric that doesn't understand what the big conspiracies even were at the time and bland drone strikes bad tier critique. This is without getting into the ridiculously bloated question count, the pointless addition of the great recession happening after obama is elected (making obama's identical supermajority not make any sense), and the godawful opponent list that makes Duke's look like high art. But like I said retards need more slop so all is forgiven. And then theres retards like you on here that think obamanation is good because its not like other "democrat mods". God how embarrassing. You really should kill yourself.
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>>2398129
Actually anon, the point of divergence is genius. Let me count the ways. It forces Barack H Obama into a place of active engagement with the situation whereas he avoided it irl solely because it happened preceding his regime, so even though he didn’t do anything to effectively mitigate the crisis after the fact, as we know, he could always go “well we inherited this economy”, as he did. Having the situation unfold before him places him in a spot where he can decide proactively what should be done not only allows the mod to critique his action but his relative inaction in our reality. In our series of events Barack Hussein Obama’s economy reckoned with the criticism that the economy wasn’t improving fast enough, it’s a much bolder and much more interesting question to posit “if the gears and levers were all at his command what would *he* have done” (ie no GW Bush to bailout General Motors before him/use GW Bush as fall guy, no Lehman bailout before him/use GW Bush as fall guy, etc). That places him in the hot seat, effectively erodes the potential for him to avert blame, and it shifts the emphasis on Hussein Obama the man to where he’s now incapable of evading blame. This is what we in the biz call an active protagonist. I have no comprehension or care about tabloid behind the scenes drama same as I wouldn’t care what motivated Chaucer to write the Canterbury Tales the way he did, I, anon, appreciate the art for what the art is. If that motivated Obamanation to more accurately define how the Tea Party was truly an amorphous blob controlled by corporate Republican interests while also housing discontent anti-big government libertarians who did oppose drone strikes (not inherently a leftist critique as you’re alleging) than I say bravo. Bravo, indeed!
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>>2398209
>not understanding or portraying the actual conspiracies of the era is accurately representing the era
lol
>>2398240
I'm not even going to bother engaging with these mental gymnastics when members of the original obamanation team have come out and said the whole point of divergence was just there to be like W's no 9/11 and they didn't have any deeper reason for adding it. Some members of the team genuinely forgot/didn't even know the divergence existed
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>>2398317
imho Bush being able to pass social security reform despite having a Dem Congress is more logically objectionable than just assuming Al Franken got a few more votes in Minnesota but whatever (although iirc Paul Wellstone is alive in Obamanation so that point is moot)
anyway you’re all fighting over a browser game and that’s very gay, go be productive and pick up trash on the side of a highway or something
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>>2398129
>were convinced that W was a satirical depiction of a Daily Kos lib's perspective on dubya's presidency
Literally what the original announcement post for the mod stated.
>the W team said in no uncertain terms that W was totally unironic
The W. team consistently, repeatedly, contradicted each other. You always got a different answer depending on the team member that you asked, there was no cohesion. Eventually QPQ got sick of being contradicted by people saying it was satirical, and so you had other people including Mango go back and delete old reddit comments they’d made
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>>2398590
This. Stuff like the Steve Jobs shit are cast under a better light if you think they’re joking and aren’t being serious, and then you had them get braver and insert more annoying bullshit in later updates like the Susan Sarandon Oscar ending and changing the gay marriage ending 5 times over because of Reddit feedback. W is the only mod that only got worse the more they updated it.
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I’m still confused as to how Icarus gets labeled as a Democratic power fantasy when Clark can only achieve his grandest goals if he’s extremely lucky and doesn’t push for certain beliefs like gay marriage–most playthrough involve him getting cucked at least a bit (and sometimes a whole lot). Like, sure, the mod’s thesis is partially that Dems should be more ambitious, but at the same time, the creators clearly recognize that there’s a time and place for it and you can get electorally raped by most Republican candidates.
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>”uuuh dc is where the important people live that moost mean it’s like uuuh…”
>>”olympus!!!!!!1!”
>”uuuh democrats need to be more wholesum poggers but they afraid dat moost mean they r like…”
>>”icarus!!!!1!!!”
brb. going to make a Trump 2024 incumbency mod where he’s King Lear and I shove a Shakespeare reference up your ass because there’s a tenuous connection I thought of for 5 seconds
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>>2398630
You have to get a blue ripple (Neither win or blue wave in the midterms), be populist and get more than 7 wins.
I recommend for you to checkout the wiki, it's pretty helpful for you to get the trickier candidates :D
https://thewikitrail.miraheze.org/wiki/American_Carnage
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>>2399731
The unfettered autism to include every single Wikipedia presidents list ending combination for the Hope and All the Way pages on that wiki is genuinely one of the most embarrassing things I’ve ever seen. If I had a son and found out he was doing that in his spare time I’d beat him.
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>>2378719
I want an LPF path for 2003 Netherlands.
It would be cool to be able to pick a different leader like Eerdmans considering his return to national politics.
Also the concept of playing a party who has to deal with the switch from being revolutionary to domesticated would be interesting.
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>End of History
The first question made me way more interested in playing a alt-hist Soviet CYOA then an American election. Managing a dysfunctional post August coup USSR fighting a civil war in it's border territories all the while deciding economic and political reforms as you fight off inside power struggles would be so kino. Any idea if the mod maker is planning to develop this?
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>>2400452
I've played it a bunch, a very cool setting though the mod itself could do with a lot of polish and improvements. It's the sort of alternate timeline that I think is very underrated and prone to representing incorrectly. Seeing Yanayev's face in Campaign Trail with those background graphics really made me wanting more of Soviet sim in this format. Crisis in the Kremlin scratches this itch but it's very different gameplay wise.
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>2000
So there is a canon winner of the mod? Is it Wilson or Wofford?
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>>2400557
Obama? In order to get her you have passed 2/3 of your major bills at a minimum (including fully repealing Obamacare), dodge all attempts at impeachment, and either do a government shutdown to force the wall, or flood sanctuary cities with ICE.
I guess also Avenatti but he requires you getting 2 impeachments while passing all your major bills.
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>>2399784
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1taepw0/does_anybod y_get_reform_presidents_in_hope/
You laugh but people will actually follow guides so they can get a picture and a piece of text to change. It’d be one thing if the endings actually acknowledged these presidents in the endings, but they don't. The word “slop” gets thrown around until it loses all meaning these days, including this thread, but those Wikipedia list endings are the epitome of slop to me.
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>>2400808
Hope is the worst campaign trail mod imo and representative of everything wrong with the game; it’s got nothing to say, gameplay is piss easy, endings slapped together so you can get glup shittos like Dodd Frank, Jerry Seinfeld and Wayne Newton as presidents, and through it all, it still has the gall to pretend to be smarter than it is. The people that play this game just want comfort food but *will* act like pseuds cause junk like TTNW is Dostoyevsky to them.
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That’s literally the entire point of the mod, though. Clark is a legitimate genius, but mixed in with that is a tendency for grandiose visions (like his light speed fixation) which he manifests as imagining himself like a Greek mythological character.
“He is his own action figure, believing himself to be above the fray of party and congressional politics. He is the Twelve Knights of the Round Table, or the Three Wise Men, all wrapped in one dominating personality.”
The creator of the mod has explicitly and publicly said it multiple times. It’s *supposed* to be a shallow allusion.
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The Snoopies mod is phenomenal lol
A bit too cynical for me, but there's definitely soul to it. Just simple fun. The CYOA elements almost feel overkill, but I'm not complaining cause they're well done.
Only big downside is that it does the classic retarded thing of having additional ending slides that have nothing to do with the campaign. It's bad enough to have a normal campaign mod start talking about Breaking Bad or Buffy the Vampire Slayer as if you give a shit, but it's especially stupid when it's for a Peanuts mod. The fuck do I care that Naz won a gubernational race in 2004 or that George W Bush is a baseball coach? The optional slides should have obviously been about the rest of the cast adjusting to the results of the election. Having said that, the end slide about Michael Jackson being cast to play Willy Wonka in the Tim Burton movie was amusing, so I actually read that one.
>Playing in the Streets by the Pet Shop Boys
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>>2403323
Honestly, the word for it isn't even cynical, in this instance, it's more just straight up melancholic.
And no, I don't think every mod being like that is good. At the end of the day I'm here to have fun. Every mod being about depression gets old.
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>>2403742
I didn't really think it was cynical. They're modern high schoolers so they curse, but I felt a punch in my gut from betraying Linus and the endings for that route are bleak. I felt pretty happy getting the ending where I won while keeping Linus my friend
Try playing it like a Peanuts short instead of vote total maxing. You might be surprised at how the tone shifts
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Which is the best incumbent campaign? I liked how in Swan Song you could lean to different factions of your party whilst also directly changing the fate of America, the Sino-American War was unexpected but very cool.
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>>2403801
I'm happy you enjoyed it. Looking back bits of it have aged poorly but I always liked the faction system and how they changed the course of the country. I'm currently working on 4th Turning, which is effectively a Swan Song full version but like, with really dynamic factions. Like actions you take will impact what % of the population they are, whether they're happy with you, what % of each faction will vote D/R, and their influence on the 5 political axis will drag your party towards them on issue scores over time. Legit can't wait to finish the 2024-2028 demo, already likely to be 20-30 questions, and I hope you like it.
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>>2378719
>UK has a Byelection that will see Andy Burnham running not just for MP but for PM
Problem is the seat is like, really really bad for him
though he could win if Restore runs and splits the vote, thereby killing their party off before it began.
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>>2403688
The sheer amount of unnecessary gimmicks it has like the county map and political compass tracker do feel like it’s just trying to show off, and I doubt that is the intention but the point of them being there at all is totally meaningless (same as the random ass pop culture endings, and I disagree heavily with anon here >>2403308 that pop culture endings are inherently bad, because they’re not, politics is downstream from culture the two are intrinsically interconnected to act as if they’re not is ignorant. The problem is these endings have nothing to do with the content of the mod itself, P Diddy and Frasier serve to purpose or connection to its plot so why have it at all?)
I’m turned off by the Redditors gushing over it saying it made them cry, like grow tf up what is up with these people, but that’s not on the mod. The mod is okay but overhyped, but everything has to be either peak or trash these days and you can’t call something mid because that’s an insult somehow.
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The Peanuts mod is good. A scenario focusing on a class presidential election is incredibly novel, especially given the glut of president xyz incumbacy sims that are constantly being developed, teased, and very rarely released. It also has some very neat bells and whistles. But the writing is just embarrassingly melodramatic. Charlie Brown telling “bitches” to “fuck off” alone is cringe, but the whole mod has this irritatingly saccharine tone to it that clearly appeals to dweebs in high school or dweebs that never got over high school. Oh bloo bloo bloo this highschool election is tearing up apart shut uppppp. The thing is the melodrama would be alright if the mod got a little tongue and cheek with it, if there was some acknowledgement of how absurdly serious all of these Peanuts characters are acting, but no, its just an AO3 Peanuts angst fic in tct format. Disappointing to say the least, but I still commend it for doing something different.
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>>2403344
Obviously written by the same person and anyone can see this is some clique cuck. Supporting cynicalism and randomly bringing up hope to slander it, wow how surprising. If you ever had balls you'd stop gobbling down mango's cock but on the likely chance this is an actual clique member; please actually benefit someone's life that isn't your family
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>>2403855
You made the mod? Very cool. Will the 2024-2028 be a Trump alt hist or more directly linked with his actual actions? The alt hist angle is really my favourite when it comes to incumbencies. Do you have any plans to experiment outside America? A European, Russian or Asian pov? The foreign policy elements are really interesting to me.
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I don't get it.
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>>2404583
You can go alt hist on Trump if you want, most consequentially by not going into the Iran War. The POV will be all American though you jump between multiple POVs, MAGA, Cathedral (Liberal Institutions) and Critical Progressives, though the game tracks your answers and figures out which one you are most biased towards and which one you're trying to sabotage and aligns you from there. The scope is global though, you don't play as Europe and China but you do manage them. Depending on how you work with them you can get a Eurofederation, a collapsed EU, a strong China or a balkanized one.
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>>2404363
Which Hope team member who got BTFO and humiliated is crying on the 4chinz thread this time? Wipe your tears away, champ, I’m sure when you fags get around to adding Dan Quayle you’ll really show that mean old mango and not be total pariahs anymore.
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>>2404109
Isn't the melodrama in the Peanuts mod supposed to be a joke on how dramatic some mods are written? There's like 3 mods that end in your candidate killing themselves.
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>>2405343
It sucks and is only marginally less ass than Year Zero and AOC, at least it isn’t a bloated overhyped dumpster fire like American Carnage but still, this game is never going to get any better I don’t think if they couldn’t even get a Ross Perot Reform mod right (unless W team purple prose with jingling keys, sorry I mean *bells and whistles* appeals to you) so this is where I and it are going to be parting ways. Peace out.
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>>2405676
I was pretty clear if you’re genuinely asking. Get through this mod and tell me with a straight face it isn’t a homunculi of every other mod from this game, they all read the same, it’s soulless. They buy into the myths the clique that runs it wants to be obeyed, they compensate with nonsensical maps and sleep inducing endings that reference something they saw on TV. This game cannot offer anything new at this point, even Project 24 will struggle to have their Senate gimmick jazz it up. It’s dead, creatively.
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>>2405681
I haven't played it yet but it's very true the game mod scene is stagnating at this point. But it kinda happens with every game scene eventually, you just have to wait for/make the mod that breaks the routine.
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>>2405343
Quite good.
Very in-depth, really good showcase of Perot's idiosyncratic views, I love how you can dodge some of his scandals and actually win the election.
Honestly it's one of my favorite mods since TTNW
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>>2409669
The stat tracking and charts are far too much to follow but I enjoy the writing.
I very much appreciate the addition of the custom cheat codes, it's just about impossible to understand the mechanics without them.
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>>2410274
There are mechanics in the background even the cheat engine doesn't capture. Did you know the game unironically processes demographic changes, issue salience and dynamically updating factions?
Honestly, don't sweat it. The mod is complex but forgiving. You don't need to f---ing wombo combo 5 wins 3 Cred and get a blowjob so you can pass the global +0.05 bill. The stats are just for autists but you can play the game fine without it. Think consistently think over stuff, be vaguely reasonable and consistent, and maybe take a chance to sabotage your opponent and you'll be fine. It's closer to a sandbox campaign where you explore than something you win at. About 65-75% of the answers I'd say don't really hurt you so much as change your position which has like 20 downstream ripple effects. You're not going to get trapped in a downward doom spiral like 70% of mods because you didn't take option 3.2A in question 3 16 questions ago. I don't really care for punishing the player and more this is a very soft/loose narrative. There are things to find and explore though, try sabotaging both Democratic and Republican parties and see what happens. Like consistently pick the worst most retarded option. (This might be hard for the Republicans)
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https://github.com/DarkErminia/4th-Turning/blob/main/Code%202%20Demo
Forgot to paste the link like a klutz whoops
https://github.com/DarkErminia/4th-Turning/blob/main/Code%202%20Demo
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A bit more on the game design philosophy. TCT mods are always a bit too deterministic, there's always a perfect optimal strategy if you memorize the test. 4th Turning is trying to fix that. There's small amounts of RNG. For example, the first MAGA and Cathedral questions have 6 possible answers, but chooses 4 to give you as options. Meaning you can't do an optimal run. It's only a few questions like this so far. Brinksmanship is genuinely RNG, you get 80%, then 70%, then 60% odds. This is to add replayability but also break the idea of optimization. Unironically, the idea is just to make the best decisions you can, and go along for the ride. There's a gazillion ripple effects and genuine RNG at play, so don't overthink and try and enjoy the ride and think intuitively. I did my best to make it feel intuitive.
The system is so emergent and dynamic legit even I don't have a good grasp on it, check the code you'll see what I mean.
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>>2411209
This is completely and utterly insane and it just gets worse the more I read it. That being said I have to applaud your creativity, this whole system you've invented is fascinating in a morbid way.
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I recently cracked the engine open and finally translated it so the code is readable (It was using a ton of single character variables and such BS). Anyway we've changed the way weights work a bit (now it acts like a weighted average as opposed to "pickiness"). Any other ideas on what technical stuff we can add or new feature ideas?
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https://github.com/DarkErminia/NovaTCT-Engine/blob/main/New%20Engine
Knock yourself out. CTS had a copy on their own Github but it was an unreadable mess because Bryan kept having single character variables. I basically renamed it so it's somewhat readable now.
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Game peaked last year with Razistorija. Its basically fucking dead now. Once they make incumbency sim for each 2004 primary democrat you can be sure as hell they'll start milking 2020 - AC already has a map of all the mods that could be made.
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>>2421063
Honestly, while I do think american scenarios have run their course, I do find international scenarios quite original.
Razistorija was so fucking good and Y of Korea was pretty fun to play too.
Even older mods like the Savonarola or St Paul's mod are still pretty fresh.
We just need a bit more international variety.
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>>2421559
I played it a while ago because the dev had it public on his GitHub and it was fucking awful, unless the dev changed it since, it uses the 2024 UK map that doesn’t use constituencies and is just a glorified incumbency cyoa but without the changing opponents that make them interesting
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>>2421164
Razistorija is pretentious sanctimonious dogshit and its update was a colossal flop, even this board couldn’t give a fuck about it. Y of Korea is good but it’s just American Carnage with a Korean coat of paint at the end of the day - I’d hardly call it unique
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>>2421647
>without the changing opponents
Just checked it out myself. Kenneth Clarke and Michael Portillo are both potential opponents for Blair now in addition to Michael Howard, so that's been updated. Map is still the same unfortunately.
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>>2421649
I like Razistorija, edgy as it is, but it does veer into typical third-worldist sanctimony a bit too often for my taste. That one blurb about Russians "feeling too much" and always trying to fix the world is probably the worst example, as if Russians are some kind of Christlike people because they are incapable of building a functioning government lmao. Still, it has some genuinely fantastic writing, pretty much every Giuliani or Putin advice blurb is absolute gold.
The update/standalone game was kinda another issue though. I can only speak for myself here, but I did like the bonus path and ending. The main problem is all the other shit they tacked onto the game to distinguish it from tct. You have to click through so much shit that doesn't matter just to get to the next question and then you have to click through more stupid bullshit just to look at how you're polling. Honestly they should have just made the new path in tct and had the new ending open a flash game or something in your browser. If they wanted to make a new engine with all the bells and whistles fine, but Razistorija was a terrible fit for it.
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>>2421983
I agree. While I liked the engine in principle, in practice the gameplay was still just TCT and didn't add much value to the experience.
If it was your average run of the mill libslop I don't think I would have bothered to download it.
Still, the demographic map was good.
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