>>286424390
Probably because they don't make every girl look like a lipstick lesbian moeblob. Looking at the Kirara fatguy audience, they call every girl that isn't super neotenous and feminine looking a butch or a man.

>>286424390
is this an actual thread or a general?
I never know with yuri on /a/ these days

>>286424518
Assume every thread on /a/ is either a general or a storytime.

>>286424518
I hate how it's impossible to discuss some manga here because these retards flood in and decide the thread is the next instance of their general.

>>286424616
You have to be careful what image you use and how you phrase your opening post. Not much you can do about it except work around the bad habits of people here, unfortunately.

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>>286424511
I mean yeah a lot of people in the past thread I made called Hikaru (blond girl in OP manga) an ugly manfaced super-butch bulldyke but she's really "what if you had this really princely Rose of Versailles-ish girl who could totally rock masculine clothes but ALSO had big prominent boobs and an hourglass figure and long shapely legs and wore short skirts and high-heels and pantyhose and sexy girly lingerie and bought you similar clothes because she loves you so much and had cute dates with you and then you went home and fucked each others' brains out" (author pointed out she made sure neither girl ever removed their high-heels during the final sex scene)

I think the reason it did exceptionally well with women on cmoa, pixiv, dlsite etc (temporarily reached #1 on cmoa in both "TL manga" & "women's manga" categories) is specifically because it mixed these "extremely hot assertive seductive bishonen" and "hot busty extremely womanly woman" traits together that are normally not mixed and accidentally created the most equal parts dreamy & fuckable waifu possible for her audience, many or most of whom never read yuri porn or had a waifu before.

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>>286424733
That's just Sailor Uranus dude. Down to the crossdressing and everything.

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>>286425049
Definitely an inspiration and in the same ballpark but not quite the same since she overwhelmingly leans in the masculine direction while not in sailor senshi form and doesn't star in a hyper-sexual fetishy porn manga. Like, she's fundamentally from a kids' show.

>>286424390
Terrible at depicting nip play, tho

>>286425280
How so?

>>286424638
The bait thread method works well enough. Then they have their general and we have our thread.

>>286425117
A kid's show where people fuck.

>>286424390
Most female yuri artists are also fujos and many had started out making yaoi fanworks

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>>286425407
Not super-graphically onscreen.

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>>286425568
Was very true in early Yuri Shimai/Hime days but I think at this point the two aesthetics are pretty separate to the point where "yuri born specifically out of fujoshi culture and made for a fujoshi audience" is very noticeable.

How often does regular yuri look & feel like this for example https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/36342542

Androgynous women are hot. Simple as.

>>286424733
> author pointed out she made sure neither girl ever removed their high-heels during the final sex scene)

Holy based.
I must meet this fujo, her taste is magnificent

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>>286426258
I mean, yes, but even when it's not very androgynous another thing I notice is they tend to draw very voluptuous bodies

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>>286426692
Not just in terms of breast size (though they do tend to be damn big) but generally a sense of voluptuousness and... fleshiness? Not sure how to word it.

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>>286426701
But also a lot of them do default to MASSIVE boobs on both girls especially when genderbending yaoi pairs

>>286425817
Needs to be more often, that's for sure

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>>286426710
Like, how much yuri art by men draws body curves like this?

>>286424616
There is nothing stopping you from starting a conversation and discussing that manga even if other anons are discussing other things. This isn't Discord.

>>286427800
NTA but I can absolutely understand how that could get very annoying.

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>>286426701
>>286426710
Why do fujos give genderbent guys massive tits? Almost feels like a humiliation ritual.

>>286428010
If it's a complex series with a lot of drama or something, like ZenKowa, I can absolutely get it. But if it's a thread like this where it's mostly image dump before dying at 100 posts, I don't see a reason why the designated yuri thread can't just recycle it not to flood the catalog.
I say this because I think the anon I was replying to was the one who complained about a yuri thread that used a Dream Jumbo Girl pic as the OP, but that thread barely has any discussion about it. That manga doesn't have much to discuss, but he can just start a conversation to discuss it normally.

>>286425817
No majority of yuri is still made by women and most of them identify as bisexual who are into yaoi also. The difference is that since the market is largely composed of otaku men they just make it to fit their taste.

Miyagi is shit.

>>286424390
I don't care for Cosmic Princess Kaguya. Or Watanare.
Where do I pick up my medal?

They are all very feminine. It's just that by nip standards it's still not feminine enough.

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According to this yuri fan artist, the yuri scene has a lot of high schoolers. The old guards who went through the 2hu pipeline are slowly getting replaced by zoomers...

>>286428483
This makes me feel old

>>>/u/

>>286424390
>hate trans girls
>salivate over adrogynous/manly girls
/a/ is so hypocritical

>>286424390
I think she would be way hotter if she was straight

>>286428753
YWNBAW

>>286428753
Yes, I do in fact not like men

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https://x.com/Tarte41/status/2028106842740760800
Reposting from the last bread. Accounting for only doujins with pairing, yuri doujins have surpassed yaoi. Expect for more fujo tourists making yuri in the future,

>>286428753
Trans girls are usually trying to look really really feminine which is not at all the same as an androgynous or handsome woman.

>>286428803
I know almost nothing about BL. Do they have similar tropes and setups to yuri?

>>286428753
Excellent bait, good job

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>>286428017
>humiliation ritual
or maybe it's not the stupid meme term and they simply think women with big tits are hot, because they have good taste

>>286428017
Even women know men make the best women.

>>286428803
The only new yuri doujins I saw was unholy amount of new watanare doujins lately
Surely that just can't win over yaoi niggas

Itou Hachi was also once a fujoshi... Or was it because she was a fujoshi that she's become who she is now?

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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/126819718
>giant tits with bite marks
Why can only yaoi fangirls do something as erotic as this with yuri? Homura Subaru would never do this.

>>286428945
>>286428017
>hyper masculine male character becomes hyper feminine when genderbent
it's that simple

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>>286428017
Fujos love giving normal guys massive tits too

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Someone should make a compass for yurifags.

>>286429174
Is Cloud Stryfe hypermasculine? How about Itadori Yuji?

>>286429174
I wouldn't call Tanjiro "hyper masculine" and look at the size of these things https://files.catbox.moe/h016d1.jpg

>posting literal who twitter caps
These threads are not better than /v/ now

>>286429275
itadori yes. genderbent itadori yuji, it's a common trope to give genki tomboys big boobs. cloud not so much

>>286429286
tanjiro is pretty masculine and otherwise falls into the genki tomboy idea

>>286429304
Ah yes, it's not like we haven't spent 3 threads in a row fighting over the exact shit mentioned in the pic.

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Mermaider couple

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Love Tsubaki.

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It's natural to think cute girls with big tits are hot. obsessive BL fangirls are already seen as ridiculous degenerates, thus they don't have to bother with pretentious stuff like "it's actually immature to like big juicy tits; my tastes are down-to-earth & reasonable" and just draw what naturally turns them on whether it's on men or women

>>286428270
No one wants to get drowned out in general schizo nonsense. Threads aren't a limited resource and you don't need to recycle them.

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>>286429839
Besides, they like them on originally-female characters from fujo series too.

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>>286429923

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>>286429993

>>286430031
Best yuri throuple by far

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>>286430101
Better

>>286430410
Calm down

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>>286428317
I wasn't trying to deny this, and it was exactly what I had in mind when I made my posts. I was thinking solely about aesthetics & culture as a result of this:
>since the market is largely composed of otaku men they just make it to fit their taste.

I was pretty annoyed to find out that this artist...

>>286430473
Are those teardrops falling on Iroha's face? Holy kino.

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>>286430639
...ended up drawing like this in the long run. All those specific & appealing female otaku culture touches that used to define yuri fan art & doujins, gone.

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>>286396041
Popular yuri thread

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>>286431028
Got nothing against the green manga but fujo yuri appreciation is so much better than that lame-ass OP

>>286428753
I don't count tourists as /a/nons and neither should you.

uh oh

>>286424390
That's certainly fresh compared to all the mild highschool stuff

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I love it when a yume or fujo artists tastes align with mine desu.
Part 2 never ever

>>286431228
bold assumption

>>286431180
couldn't sleep, dreaming about iroha. sounds right

>>286431309
Retards from /v/ migrating to make low IQ post and you thinking that's the average /a/non
you're looking down on /a/ too much

>>286431360
though if i can post here, i don't think the cultural function of banting on newfags is working anymore

>>286432691
she's a bro

>>286432354
Hot

>>286432712
No, she's a woman, so she's a sister.

>>286432807
suspicious angsty oneesans with sloppy looks, who serve drinks in chem glass and help you when you're down. good trope.

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People who get into yuri through being horny teenagers into yaoi smut are so much cooler than purityfags it's crazy

oh know

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Can anyone remind me if this is yuri in any way?

>>286433743
according to the chink posts I found there are two lesbian characters in the cast, but they don't really have much screentime

Teren is truly the savior of yuri

What a shitty thread, this is why you fucking retards have to create a thread when the previous one ends or mentally ill trannoids like OP when take advantage to push whatever bullshit they want.

Zangai Shoujo, Kirakira na Sekai no Soko ch1
https://mangadex.org/title/cc6086f8-a6e9-48b9-80a5-4c432c8cd0e3/zangai-shoujo-kirakira-na-sekai-no-soko

OneeLoli Sisters ch1-2
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/oneeloli_sisters_ch01
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/oneeloli_sisters_ch02

Twisting Tendrils ch2
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/twisting_tendrils_ch02

As the Yuri Goddess Commands ch8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/20aa26bc-5469-457b-ad90-dcd72b935fe3

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>>286435432
What makes my opinion a trannoid opinion? I'm not trying to fight you; I'm legitimately curious since I can see why someone would think that, BUT I'd like you to explain it in your own words (or anyone else who agrees with you).

>>286431298
Good stuff.

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Reading this does feel kind of gay at times, and I don't mean lesbian. Not bad though.
Absolutely not surprising it's popular with women though.

>>286436433
>gay at times, and I don't mean lesbian
Do you mean "it has yaoi vibes" or what?

Mayu's Song ch2
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/mayus_song_ch02

>>286436833
See you guys in 2027 when chapter 3 drops

>>286424390
Yaoi fangirls understand very well the difference between male and female characters in romance, their yaoi and yuri really takes advantage of plots that only really work when both characters are the same gender, and distinct between the genders.

A lot of yuri otherwise just follows the same beats as a heterosexual romance manga but with one partner's gender swapped over to match the other. Kirara series fall into this a lot.

>>286436986
Can you give some examples of yuri by yaoi fangirls where you feel your first observation applies, and explain how?

Anyone have that image where all the AdaShima lookalikes are sitting next to each other?

>>286436509
More that josei smut that most men don't even know exists, and certainly wouldn't read.

>>286436833
Nice, this year’s chapter dropped early

Any yuri recs for straight girls?

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>>286437967
I mean, yuri originally published for a general josei smut audience is the best lewd yuri.

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>>286438150
but okay rokuroichi was later in yuri hime etc so maybe not the best example of something " most men don't even know exists"

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>>286438194
there's really a lot of stuff just lying around that only a TL manga/BL manga audience knows about

>>286438148
Green is the quintessential straight girl yuri.

>>286438252
I've yet to lend it to my straight girl friend I usually lend yuri to. I'm waiting for volume 4 to come out here so she can read everything up until they get together at once.

>>286438148
Nonke Onna, Lesbian Hitozuma ni NTR masu.

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>>286438251
>>286438233
Like, how many people in the west even know THIS exists.

>>286432691
Now make them kiss

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>>286424390
I don't know about that, but futa drawn by fujo can be hot as fuck

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>>286438407
lame for the same reason fujos getting into "cuntboys" is lame. just be into normal gay pairings like a normal person

>>286426326
I can't see the vision.
Enlighten me.

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>>286438545
If you need to ask you'll never know https://files.catbox.moe/1mjypy.jpg

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This is yuri.

>>286424511
mad that a woman is manlier than they are kek

>>286438714
>Anon makes up a strawmen for an audience he never once interacted
>Retarded tranny follows up

>>286438837
obsessed

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>>286438612
>picture perfect Yaya
Yes, it's yuri.

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286237345
Thanks a lot anon, I have since played the game and become absolutely obsessed to the point of searching for fanmade AMVs like it was 2008. This one is amazing by the way (spoilers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epqXnWaUgzk

I saw the game was a huge success in Japan and got novels, a manga and lots of merch, I hope it'll also get an anime so it can become even better known, and a sequel game because the new potential status quo between the MCs would be incredibly interesting.

>>286439063
Meant to link >>286237345 (or https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/286219926/#q286237345 if direct linking doesn't work for some reason)

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>>286438837
you probably view everyone that way if they say anything negative about male otaku + positive about female otaku with regards to yuri, but how often do you really see yuri "transbians" give a shit about the culture around BL & josei smut? if that crowd gave a shit then yuri coming from them would be prominent in the west, not as obscure as it is >>286437967

>>286439593
Yes, normal people have no reason to start those dumb arguments, it's literally always mentally ill men who are obsessed in making sure you know they have "female tastes" and so they are by association women and no, they are not. We did not forget your previous OP, you toned it down this time, but we didn't forget, the bullshit you are trying to start has nothing to do with yuri.

>click thread about lesbian tomboys
>all the posts inside are about jerking off to their idea of who ELSE must be looking at the lesbian tomboys

What a garbage thread

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>>286439729
uh yeah of course people remember my thread? it was barely any time ago. why would I try to hide it https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/286352671/

actually my reason is that I think yuri fans on 4chan can have a really dumb idea about fujoshi being "the natural enemies of yuri" or whatever. I'm just as adamant about defending shonen manga in other contexts and spent way more time doing that here over the years.

that said with that awful green yuri OP earlier I get why you'd say this

>>286439898
I don't think people like genderbent male characters.

>>286439938
mtf isekai can be fun if the author has a half good idea for plot. just like in something like watanare, it allows your MC to have a low barrier for casual intimacy with girls.

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>>286439989
I think anon meant the genderbent yaoi pairs I've been posting.
>>286439938
it's take it or leave it for me. I just like the aesthetics.

>>286440033
>I think anon meant the genderbent yaoi pairs I've been posting.
yeah even i wouldn't read that. i like girls to be from cute to handsome, but not manly

>>286439879
What were you expecting from that OP?

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Well, I'm finally catching up with Shuukura's WN. After spending almost 3 months with these lesbians, the little time I have left is making me feel nostalgic.
I feel like I learned a lot, mined a bunch of words, cemented a few grammar points, increased my reading speed from 6000 chars / h to 9-10k.

Now it's back to downloading random epubs and trying to find something of a suitable level that will not be pure shit.

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>>286440051
again, some genderbend yuri will look like this. and honestly the only masculine thing about that genderbent Yuji is the hair. Otherwise that's justa woman.

>>286440033
Yurifags just don't like GB/TS in general. It isn't an /a/ thing, or a western thing. Nip yurifags also aren't too keen on that either.

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>>286440179
As far as I'm concerned there's kind of a big difference between something like Kashimashi and a fujo reimagining her favorite yaoi pair as girls. One is dudes inserting themselves in lesbian stories, the other is fangirls doing gender-bending stuff because it's fun.

The only caveat being that I DON'T like it when a doujin uses the "magical transformation" explanation instead of simply "reimagining these characters as girls"... but that's not very common from my experience.

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>>286440153
this is it

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>>286436986
>a lot of yuri otherwise just follows the same beats as a heterosexual romance manga
>Kirara series fall into this a lot.
Yuri is absolutely different from the average heterosexual romance manga, especially when compared to ones for other guys. You can see the girls become a couple after three volumes (and continue to explore their relationship after they start dating), romantic intimacy both far more often and far more intensely, and additional side pairings outside of the MCs. Kirara's most popular yuri romance manga right now is features all of those things, even featuring a protagonist with past sexual experience that isn't used as slut correction fuel.

>>286440312
I don't see any difference. Yaoi to yuri or het to yuri is still not yuri to many people. If you like that, more power to you, but I'm just saying that /au/ regulars don't want to use this thread because of that.
Also if we're talking about the "natural enemies of yuri", hetfags and yumes are a must bigger and prominent threat than fujos will ever be.

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>all genderbend art is manly!
not even close
>>286440425
>/au/ regulars don't want to use this thread because of that
but I never intended this to be the "yuri general", I made it about a hyper-specific interest on purpose.

>>286439898
I have never seen a good faith post complaining about fujoshi on yuri threads, our communities don't interact with each other, we have no reason to, when we do is always on works where a yuri or yaoi ship favors both sides.

>>286440312
Kashimashi probably isnt a good example since its one of the few GB that never has the MC never bring up the fact she was a guy after the first episode or the genderbent part of the story actually be relevant. Its kinda like those vague memory Isekai where the protag only gets the knowledge but no memories.

>>286440591
There aren't many posts about fujoshi on yuri threads period. Yurifags tend to have an autism battle over what is and isn't yuri and hating het and purityfags way, way more often than a single post about fujoshi. Like you said, the communities never interact. I think this thread might be a good culture exchange for both sides, but clearly us yurifags just don't mix too well with fujoshi idealism and realism.

>>286440179
>>286440312
>>286440425
>>286440479
Gender bending and gender swapping are different things, gender swapping is not popular but it's not frowned upon because it's not a narrative of a guy becoming a girl. Miyazawa current manga adaptation is a genderswap, his original novel had a male protagonist, then this protagonist at some point in the story observes other universes and saw a female version of himself. The novel was republished now from the POV of the female protagonist and the manga adaptation is from that version of the story.

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>>286440694
See I don't do the fujo yuri thing for tranny reasons, I do it because of guys like this >>>/u/4534497
>the communities don't interact
Tons of yuri authors & fans also like yaoi. Fuck not even just the women, goddamn Yoshimurakana tweeted about reading BL. Kishi Torajiro, again a dude, drew yaoi.

>>286440694
We had previous yuri and yaoi threads where we actually had fujoshi and both sides just shared works rather than fight with each other, you are confusing people antagonizing you specifically with people antagonizing fujoshi and I strongly suspect in a BL thread fujoshis would be antagonizing you too.

>>286428803
>Comiket
You mean the event with the least amount of bl doujin? Kek
This would be like comparing super comic city and going there are no new Yuri doujin!!!?! Fujos don't go to comiket usually they go to akaboo events especially since they got rid of days

>>286440762
Does Yoshimurakana post here? We are not interest in your twitter and reddit drama.

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>>286440694
>>286440762
also
>don't mix too well with fujoshi idealism and realism
what does this mean?
>>286440827
you guys said "the communities" not "tiny insular 4chan circlejerks that make generalizations about anime/manga fans as a whole"

>286428753
Guaranteed replies

Honestly op your thread should be on >>>/u/
The first thread was shit. No one is going to read your shilling series and the only reason it kept being up was because the other Yuri thread died. For the usual Yurianons make your normal thread so I don't have to deal with this faggot ass op

>>286440726
Anon, that novel whole gist is about alternative universes. While yes, it's not frowned upon as much as GB/TS, some yurifags aren't going to make that distinction. It also opens a whole can of worm about futa and genderswapping one of the girls to be a guy.
>>286440762
I'm specifically talking about /a/. A shit ton of yuri authors and yurifags are also into BL, no doubt about it, but here it's a different story.
>>286440800
I know. The original post was about fujoshi being an enemy of yuri, but we rarely interact, and we barely complain about them either.
>>286440872
It's my impression that the genderswap thing is much more of a fujoshi thing, no?
>>286440827
>least amount of BL
>hold complete domination before covid

>>286440936
Last quote was meant for >>286440811

>>286440932
>>286432115
>>286432115
>>286432115
There

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>>286440932
I got a bunch of people into it on /u/ and I got a bunch of people into it on /a/. Seems like a win to me.
>>286440936
>It's my impression that the genderswap thing is much more of a fujoshi thing, no?
Yes, but I don't really see how "idealism & realism" play into it.
>I'm specifically talking about /a/. A shit ton of yuri authors and yurifags are also into BL, no doubt about it, but here it's a different story.
I suspect plenty of people on /a/ like both but get scared off from talking about it.
>Anon, that novel whole gist is about alternative universes. While yes, it's not frowned upon as much as GB/TS, some yurifags aren't going to make that distinction. It also opens a whole can of worm about futa and genderswapping one of the girls to be a guy.
NTA but I've talked about yuri on 4chan since age 13 and I never, ever liked purityfags.

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>>286440106
Punching above your level while mining everything is a good way to boost your progress

>>286440800
This. It is just op being a faggot and using terms wrong to start some 'thing' that isn't going to happen.

>>286440974
guess what happened during COVID anon? I already explained it

>>286441000
>Since 13
You type like you're 16 so that checks out

>>286440872
You don't need to post in this tiny insular 4chan circlejerk which was what the discussion was about, you can talk to your tranny friends on reddit and continue making up scenarios that never happened on this site, though again I strongly suspect everywhere you go, you end the same way with and you are specifically here on this site because you already got banned elsewhere.

>>286440936
It's not popular for sure, Miyazawa got away with it because he already have made a setup for it, but "Jujutsu Kaisen but the characters are girls now" would flop very hard, no doubt of that. This really only works in one direction and publishers are aware of this, otherwise Shueshia would be already pushing for the genderswapped Watanare replacing Renako.

>>286440106
State your preferences and I can probably recommend you some stuff.

>>286441046
Okay you know what, fuck it, you're right. You were clearly talking about 4chan fans specifically and I ignored it because I was in "looking for reasons to argue"-mode. I apologize.

>>286440106
WNs can be really engaging like that, and the longer they are the bigger the pre loaded immersion for every new chapter.

>>286441000
Are you familiar with capitalist/socialist realism? It's the depiction of those systems as the final "reality" of the world. View yuri, yaoi and het in the same way. Most of the time, when someone says
>this isn't realistic!!!
It's them imposing their preferred version of realism onto the world, commonly het realism, also known as heteronormativity. When a heavily yaoi leaned person, this case a fujoshi, does yuri, they wouldn't be able to separate their yaoi realism to yuri realism, rather impose that onto yuri.
In essence all of them are idealist, but it's based on a preexisting art movement, so I decided to include both.

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>>286441220
OH! Okay, I totally get you now.
>When a heavily yaoi leaned person, this case a fujoshi, does yuri, they wouldn't be able to separate their yaoi realism to yuri realism, rather impose that onto yuri.
see I don't think this is really a bad thing. Kishi Torajiro drawing yaoi as a yurifag, 7menzippo drawing yuri as a yaoifaghag, it's all fine and creates fun variety. as for how it relates to 4chan fanbases specifically, well I think a lot of subcommunities here would benefit from being less cliquey.

>>286441309
>I think a lot of subcommunities here would benefit from being less cliquey
not to make much of myself, but i started posting itt last month, for example.

>>286441309
>>286441309
>think a lot of subcommunities here would benefit from being less cliquey.
Try being less of a faggot then

>>286441309
It isn't about cliques. As said before, some ideas from both groups just don't mesh well together. And as previously posted, we just don't have much in common for the fundamentalist and hardcore factions of both groups to interact or complain about each other. I can guarantee you, that most yurifags are much more okay with a yaoi side couple than a het couple.

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>>286441120
No fantasy*. No forced harems*. Smut and horniness is fine. I don't mind NTR, as long as it does not turn into a soap opera trainwreck.
I prefer dramas or SoL, and tragic characters over slapstick comedy.

To be fair, I went through almost every title on the top quadrants of pic related and I was thinking of starting人妻教師が教え子の女子高生にドはまりする話 but it might be too advanced for my level, so I was looking for a plan B.
アフタヌーンティーは如何ですか seems to be on par with Shuukura in terms of difficulty, which would defeat the purpose.

As long as some title doesn't have stuff marked with * then I might try just anything.

>>286438603
woah

>>286441398
I mean, yeah, I often do the annoying polar opposite of trying too hard to be contrarian. Sorry!
>>286441414
>some ideas from both groups just don't mesh well together
Elaborate since I'm curious what you're referring to and I don't want to assume.

>>286441457
I have no idea what yaoifags like and don't like, but from discussing with you alone, I can say I don't like the genderswap of preexisting character thing.

>>286441501
I spend a lot of time with blfags -yaoi is an older term which doesn't see much use. It means explicit porn /pwp. Bl encompasses all of it, op just needs to realize they have a niche within a community, is using wrong terms, and needs to stop the bullshit because he'd get laughed out of bl threads as well. Acting like an underage faggot >>286441457 'teehee I like everyone’ is going to get them ostracized which is why they continually spam their thread here

>>286441602
>fag content readers don't like it when anons act like faggots
out of context it's a good pun

>>286441602
Nip yurifags are also starting to distinct yuri and GL too, which I find incredibly dumb. I know it's a way to replace the derogatory レズ, but still retarded.

>>286441602
I know it's an old term, it's just hard to let go of what you're used to.
>and needs to stop the bullshit
what other bullshit am I doing?

>>286441669
>>286441602
>op just needs to realize they have a niche within a community
not sure what this means either.
>Acting like an underage faggot >>286441457 'teehee I like everyone’
or this

>>286441660
>also starting to distinct yuri and GL too
they aren't starting. bl and gl became popular when the -ais fell out of use

>>286441715
The -ai shit is a specifically western term though.

>>286441735
it is but i didn't really feel like typing the whole history it out. sorry I thought it would be the easiest way to say it. the point being is that they aren't starting as it's been that way for just as long. although i know a lot more intricacies about BL

>>286441420
Have you seen Chou Kaguyahime? If you have definitely read the novel.

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>>286441735
from my personal experience, in western english-speaking circles, "GL" tends to be mostly used by people who overwhelmingly care about korean stuff above all else and fans of japanese stuff are more likely to also use "yuri"

>>286441782
>>286441788
I'm talking about nips. They didn't use it much until recently.

>>286441806
They started using more because of the narou debacle

>>286441806
so am i. [citation needed]

I find the GL/yuri distinction pretty useful conversationally, lets me cut out a lot of the "this is yuri but not romance" talks.

>>286442071
>"this is yuri but not romance"
Which series does this discourse crop up for?

>>286442111
Most kirara stuff for example, lots of series where the fact the girls have romantic feelings for each other is made clear (and nowadays develop into a romantic relationship in the ending) but it's by no means a romance story.

>>286442111
Mujica, Symphogear and the occasional kirara or heavy subtext sports manga. Before anyone tries to "but this-" I consider any work where the potential for romance can exist between the characters if given the space as yuri.

>>>286442234
>potential for romance can exist between the characters if given the space as yuri
yurifags dont even know their own terms.
that's gl bro. pwp is yuri

>>286442267
you've yet to explain why you're mad at me >>286441707 and also you're using terms yourself genuinely wrong now - "yuri is when porn" is a 2000s deviantart-tier western misconception. and you were giving me shit for using "yaoi"?

>>286442111
Cosmic Princess Kaguya

>>286441420
By difficulty do you mean in terms of vocabulary? When you've read Shuukura you probably have a good grasp on normal Japanese, most works are just going to be about the same, but reinforcing what you already know isn't a bad thing either, and will make it easier to take on something new. Hitozuma Kyoushi might be harder due to Iruma's heavier usage of philosophical monologues and environmental descriptions, but I don't really think you'll find anything intermediate. What's going to challenge you at this point is niche subjects bombarding you with terminology you're unfamiliar with (which is why Kirara manga can be surprisingly difficult).
Recommmendations to follow.

>>286442267
Read that para again but slowly this time.

>>286441806
i see it mostly when they talk about live action. most live action stuff is Thai and the Thai call it GL.

>>286442447
I suppose at barely N3~ it's a bit of everything. Longer paragraphs are still a pain, more 'advanced' grammar mostly likely flies over my head or I barely get the gist of it (i.e., set expressions, adverbial shit I'm not familiar with, etc.)
A lack of vocabulary is definitely my biggest issue.

>>286443089
>n3
nta but this means your thinking that afternoon tea serving no purpose is completely wrong. At this level any reading will be productive. You will gain vocab reading it and different writers have different idiosyncrasies so your non-vocab skill will improve too.

>>286441420
>>286442440
Obviously I strongly recommend eventually reading 人妻教師.
>桃田ロウ
アフタヌーンティーは如何ですか is definitely smut, it lacks the depth of Shuukura but it's a pleasant and easy read, it's also 2/5 of Shuukura's length so you can immerse yourself in it. Her current ongoing story とあるクローゼットの恋の話 is much heavier, and follows a closeted JK3 who dreams of moving to Tokyo and coming out but gets entangled in a codependant relationship with the girl she's in love with by helping her take care of her baby brother, the story makes excellent use of single perspective, and the protagonist's doubts about the other girl are beautifully utilized.
>綾加奈
ぼくらは吠える弱い犬だから and 私は君の味方だと囁くことしかできないけれど both tell intertwined school love character dramas focused around a single event by shifting through several characters' perspectives. 子猫を拾う、子猫の癖に is a story of two little girls picking up a stray kitten with FIV, both girls character develop heavily throughout the book. The stories are all tight and well put together, the author is very good at making each perspective feel different. I think the first book is of the highest quality and has a great hook right from the start, the second has the novelty of shifting through the perspectives of all 5 girls on the cover, the third book is a lot more angsty and has the novelty of the characters starting out as young children. Her other works are of lesser quality.
>犬甘あんず
I assume you've already read Ubaware, her other works really worth checking out are クラスの姫は私のわんこ, which is intense, smutty, and exciting, but has a pretty limp ending and 私のことが大好きなクラスメイトに初めてを全部押し付ける話, which is very vanilla but manages to maintain a really sweet atmosphere and stays fully enjoyable from start to finish.

>>286443156
>>286443298
Thanks for the recs/advice.

>>286443298
nta but bless effort posters

>>286425117
>googled
hot stuff, thanks for bringing this to my attention

>>286440694
retard most yurifags are purityfag

>>286426710
I can't stand cowtits. The sizes are just ridonkolous.

>>286447927
Nah

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>>286424733
I never called her 'ugly'. She's handsome and not unattractive as she is, but the combination of the masculine face and the very curvy body comes off as very uncanny and tranny-like in a way I can't see as genuinely sexy. She's designed to appeal to the yaoi fanbase. I see nothing wrong with this, rather I find it actively cool that the art can be made with cross appeal like that, but she's not the main object of affection for me.

>>286425049
I love Hakura and consider her my favorite depiction of a lesbian in any media. She strikes me as natural blend between the masculine and feminine in both appearance and attitude.

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>>286448858
again, if this is nonpassing tranny-level masculine then what do you call an actual bulldyke's face?

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>>286447969
and that's why fujos are better than you guys

>>286424390
I think fujos should have sex with all the female yuri authors to create the strongest yuri

>>286452077
thank you

>>286425049
I can convert her.

>>286442111
saki

>>286424390
Do they have fujo hands too?