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it's just a headache
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Gil humiliation soon...
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>>286424854
>badass looking mysterious spooky boogey assassin
>actually worthless garbage with bad NP
Meanwhile True Assassin is all vibes zero substance.
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>>286424877
Zealot? My wife.
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this is Miyamoto Musashi

say something nice to him
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>>286424945
She'll come back any day now. I believe.
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>>286424945
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>>286424945
Most attractive Japanese servant.
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Firs Ougi
Now John The Strange Fake
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>>286424877
Tine would build a neat Castoria
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How is Faldeus going to cover this up
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>>286424945
I want to be groomed by Musashi
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>>286425009
that's what I mean
it would still be really funny though
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Who would win between Richard and Charlemagne?
>Unlimited Mana
>Both at maximum potential
>Both in their Saber forms
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Why didn't Alcides steal Gil's GoB?
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>>286423346
>transported to Merlin's NEET cave
>forced to watch Merlin work on idolshit
Suffering be upon Alcides
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>>286425062
The conditions probably weren't right.
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She solos
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>>286425062
>Why didn't Alcides steal Gil's GoB?
Technically even if he did, it wouldn't work.

GoB just allows Gill to access everything that ever belonged to him. The main issue is that for most Servants, everything they own is already on their backs when they are summoned. GoB is just abusing the fact that Gill owns a lot of shit and can throw them at you. If it gets stolen Alcides would just be able to throw whatever is considered his material possessions, which is nearly nothing he doesn't already carry.
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>>286424988
That’s Tomoe
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>>286425126
Of course she does. Gil fags are just seething that their "hero" got low-diffed AGAIN!
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>>286425138
from the Typemoon wiki"
>The rank of the Noble Phantasm changes from "E~A++" due to it reflecting the ranks of the contents of the treasury. It is a Noble Phantasm that becomes more powerful with the user's wealth, but would accordingly not be useful without a wealth of valuables.
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>>286425188
They looked the same height in other scenes
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Will my boy John WINgard score something?
He is a true hero and thus deserves some pussies like his fellow ally of justice Shiro.
Is Haruri available for him? Both have relatives killed by Kiritsugu after all.
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>>286425062
GoB is a warehouse, if Alcides stole it he'd have an empty one
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All this fighting like when are they gonna gangbang the slut goddess Ishtar? Especially with that body
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Anons, do you have faith?
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>>286425233
S2 actually
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>>286425233
Rin's body is better
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aesc
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Were some anons really surprised by Alcides winning the battle? This is the same servant who told Gil to use EA against him. Of course he has Chekhov's Gun in his pants.
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>>286425303
The greatest greek hero should not lose to all these low popularity heroes.
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>>286425303
he did that bait gil to use ea so he could steal it, gil was about to crush him in their second battle without ever needing it
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>>286425321
Headcanon
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>>286425303
Honestly I'm more surprised by how easily Jack was taken out. Some people were gassing him up like crazy in episode 0 so I expectde him to at least put up a better fight if he was gonna get hoed in his first fight
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>>286425279
I could be convinced
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>>286425298
Built for thighjobs
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>>286425338
He pushed the greatest Greek Hero into using his strongest NP and had a direct compliment from said hero as well.
He overperformed for some 19th century curse apparition
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>>286425303
Nah for whatever reason the anime showed Alcides stopping Jack with no effort at all. Not even a scratch on him, while in the novel he actually had to struggle.
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>>286425338
He actually disemboweled Alcides in the LN, the anime downscales the damage of the fights a lot for some reason.
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>>286425320
Actual archer Herakles would almost certainly run rings around Alcides.
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>>286425384
>downscales the damage of the fights a lot for some reason
china censorship bro
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>>286425359
LIMITLESS
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>>286425359
>He pushed the greatest Greek Hero into using his strongest NP
False, Alcides used it for bantz. He could've destroyed Jack without it too.
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>>286425419
Watch the show bro.
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>>286425359
>you were awesome Jack the ripper, top 5 barbaros I've ever fought
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>>286425438
blood is turned into cum in the china version. more graphic things like disembowlment can't be shown for obvious reasons
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This is the kind of shit he fought while alive, Jack is like a minor annoyance in comparison
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>>286425279
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>>286425456
Watch the show /vpol/shartybro.
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>>286425425
He would have needed to use Nine Lives by his own admission, another top NP of his
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>>286425465
some people need to be banned from using upscalers
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>>286425471
That's not as graphic or as difficult to redraw as actual disembowlment
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>>286425503
Does the seventeen cut scene even make any sense? Her head looks way too small for it to have a face on the other side.
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>>286425485
Alcides uses Nine Lives for everything it's like saying Diamurd pushed Saber to extreme because she fought him with Exaclibur
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>>286424945
i love [DATA LOST]
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She solos
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>>286425503
>actual disembowlment
It still disembowlment and they didn't censor any of it.
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>>286425533
Using the NP with the True Name calling is basically a whole different level than using it without it
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>>286425522
>Her head looks way too small for it to have a face on the other side.
to be honest it's also really difficult to actually draw someone in so many pieces as well, especially because there's not many models or refs.
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>>286425054
Richard was just playing pretend
Big Karl literally built Europe
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>>286425456
So just show Jack draw blood at least, Alcides barely took any damage in the anime. And it's not the first time they do this, they basically removed all the damage from the Gil vs Alcides vs Hippolyta fight too.
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>>286425503
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>>286425485
Nine Lives is a martial arts style, implying that he was taking it easy while Jack was unloading literally everything he had on Alcides.
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>>286425584
fark
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Alcides is such a bore
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>>286425558
i have [lost] of lot of [data] to her
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>>286425584
Why would customs destroy a floppy disk?
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>>286425584
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>>286425621
>>286425584
kek
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>>286425559
Castoria fucking sucks
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>>286425621
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>>286425571
It's not so hard if you know artistic anatomy. You don't need to be medical anatomy tier accurate and for details you can use any anatomy book for schools/uni (with drawings instead of medical gore).
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>>286425573
Shonen Karl was also just fucking around
He only started caring after he found out about the aliens (and probably further after his band of idiots all died in a last stand)
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Will we ever see Malesashi as a servant, or did that slut overtook everything?
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>>286425659
Anon, have you ever seen male nero?
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>>286425629
nu uh
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>>286425669
I mean, Nero's female in Fate. Normally, Femalesashi is from an alt dimension.
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>>286425653
For manga it's okay but for anime, the combination of fluid physics, body parts falling, anatomy and cloth physics would be a killer.
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>>286425619
They're protecting you from CP and terrorists.
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she solos unironically
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>>286425707
japanese boy victim
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>>286425707
>>286425559
speaking of
which Lostbelt Kings can FSF cast beat?
Ivan?
Skadi?
Qin?
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>>286425584
>they probably didn't know what floppy disk is
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>>286425693
Is the FSR musashi the same person/instance as the FGO one?
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Why does everyone call Gil the strongest servant when all he does is fly out of range of everyone and shoot his weapons that don't seem to really do anything? I may be retarded secondary but it seems anyone can do that yet everyone shits themselves when he appears.
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>>286425761
He can pull shit out of his ass.
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>>286425757
The servant, yes.
The one who raised Iori, no.
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>>286425761
Because Nasu said Gil is the strongest heroic spirit who can beat anyone provided he is motivated/serious enough a long time ago and this idea has yet to be retconned away despite years of powercreep
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>>286425761
Full powered 360 degree GoB spam can kill servants, he has all hero slaying weapons and he can use all those NPs when he's not lazy. Like how he soloed Saber in FSN route in melee.
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>>286424945
>appears
>cuts
>makes everyone seethe
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wasnt jack the ripper a serial killer who targeted women? why is he good-aligned now? and what was his noble phantasm supposed to do? certain win against humans?
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>>286425279
I'm too lazy to believe in God
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>>286425809
Are you even watching the anime
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>>286425761
powercreep happens
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>>286425837
Wow, she is cute. And her armor as big boobs!
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>>286425822
femcels delusions
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>>286425809
Jack is neutral evil like this pedo cat
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>>286425837
Paladin Eggplant will unironically solo FSF ngl
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>>286425850
She got married btw
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>posting femcel slop
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>>286425868
To Achilles
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>>286425724
All white woman
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>>286425878
if i put my penis in the stomach mouth will i die
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>>286425863
Galahad is cracked. Even when in fruit form.
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>>286425896
Super Eggplant dont have Galahad powers anymore
she just spams Black Barrel Excaliburs instead lmao
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>>286425910
Didn't she awaken her own version of the power that was still inside her lingering from the time he was hanging around? I'm on my third fgo burnout phase so I've not followed for a bit.
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>>286425923
yeah in OC4 Galahad wanted her to become a Ruler but she refused so she became Paladin class instead. Her NP is back to Lord Chaldeas and she is now a proper Living Servant
Mash also buster loops now
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>>286425954
When I say haven't followed, I should say haven't closely followed, of course I've been loosely following, which is why I was a little confused about why you were saying it was just gone.
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>>286425954
>after 10 years realizes she wants to protect Guda (because apparently all the other times she did didn't count)
>becomes the strongest servant ever
Mashu is such a shitty character its not even funny
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>>286425279
I don't believe in your God and I have nothing but contempt for your backwards religion beliefs.
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>>286425978
yeah the point of OC4 is that Mash realizing she dont want to protect humanity, she just wants to protect guda and chaldea
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>>286424926

He's an American. Just rub some dirt on it and he'll be back in the fight like all of us USA chads.
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>>286425160
*Raikou
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>>286425983
An extremely stupid opinion in Fate where capital G God is canonically confirmed to exist.
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>>286425837
>>286425863
>Nice shield, trashu
>reincarnation pandora
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>>286426022
All fath is basically as valid as each other in fate. The only difference is god is a bit different, but also, Nyarlathotep is a bit different from most too.
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wait
did they cut the dialogue where Alcides said he could have won with Nine Lives?
I remember he said that in LN before stealing Jack's From Hell
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>>286426034
>OUR shield
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What are the chances of Shiro getting pulled in Strange Fake in later volumes and summoning this chad?

Would be cool.
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>>286426108
Narita and Sanda exchange notes and the latter got the dibs on Shirou clapbait.
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Can we already call him the KING OF BEGGARS, or is it too early?
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>>286426006
You're right, a true American patriot would only die for Israel
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>>286426150
That doggo gets popular real quick
it will be a sad day when it becomes bipedal
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>>286426104
Yes they cut it, Alcides is getting the worst of the cuts so far
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>>286426150
>LIONheart
>Dog
What did they mean by this?
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>>286426151
>please Gilgamesh-sama let me use your weapons so I don't fire D rank Excaliburs
This is your king Richardkeks?
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>>286426124
>Sexy design according to women vs sexy design according to """men"""
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>>286425837
Not even that strong. She needs a command spell to do what Ivan can do with his own NP. She's a bait blocker for retards who use NP nukes and leave themselves wide open
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>>286426203
>Steals his treasure and says he will pay Gil back by kicking his ass
The King of Bums could never be this based
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>>286426157

This is from last week's thread
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>>286426166
Someone post the fanart where it evolves in front of ayaka and richard.
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>>286426137

Damn, well they better animate more Lord El-Melloi soon, then. Need to see him in action again.
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>>286425503
This amount blood will make it 18+ in Japan, bro.
MGR censored the blood to white in Japan to make it not get the Cero Z rating.
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>>286425457
even "heroes" like jack will always be more impressive than random jobber monsters. some monsters are able to transcend the jobber monster status and become heroes themselves but ladon certainly did not. this is also very evident on how all of alcides' summons are completely useless shit and the only parts of his kit that matter are the grail mud (hero), sash (hero/god), nine lives (hero) and pandora (assuming it was used with gugalanna)
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>>286426225
it's only based if he wins
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>>286426259
The thing is you can't get to Shirou part without animating other El Melloi Adventure volume
Adventure is not as self-contained as Case File to immediately jump to a random volume
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>>286425761
Base Gil(without any help from outside sources) can beat almost every servant in 1v1.
Artoria needed Avalon, Alcides needed Ishtar and Huwawa and Shirou needed Archer, Saber and Rin for support.
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>>286426265
AKSHUALLY, the white blood was already there in MGS4. Jetstream Sam's blood being red was supposed to be the big reveal that he was a human CHAD.
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>>286426259
El Melloi is fucking dogshit, bro.
There's a reason people focus on the Shirou clap and not the main character that's fucking Gray called Ergo.
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She Solos.
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>>286426233
Lovely
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>>286426310
Oh yeah, Sam has the red blood. While the mooks has white. I think it helps with the story since Raiden notices he's 95% human die to it unlike the rest.
Another Cero Z rating due to blood is the Chaos; VNs.
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>>286426298
Shut up, bitch.
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>>286426320
>Caliburn clapbait is one of his memorable moment
kek
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>>286425868
>>286425881
Please provide a source. That scene in Apoc still pops into my mind from time to time.
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>>286426321
>Greek gods are alien /m/echas
>This aztec goddess is Ultraman
>Attila the hun is a delicious brown alien
Fate is supremely based...
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>>286426320
People also care about Rin
But yeah, the actual new addition of El Melloi Adventure is kind of unpopular
Maybe an anime with voice and better artwork can change that
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>>286425789
Gilgameme can't even beat Berserkerlot. Dantes would decapite his bitch ass before he can even realize he got killed.
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>>286425364
Because only John can hurt him
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>>286426343
>While the mooks has white.
Its cyborg blood. Raiden had white blood in MGS4. Hence the strongly homosexual imagery of Vamp licking Raiden's blood after penetrating him with a knife.
>>286426357
The greek mytho bro. And not Achilles.
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>>286426343
Every enemy in MGR has red blood, white blood was an MGS4 thing
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MY KING Karl? completely mogged Gil and turned him into a mana battery
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>>286425822
>>286425847
The artist is drawing a cut scene from the LN.
>Saber carefully scrutinized her face, always remaining alert to events on the other side of the door, and nodded.
>“As far as I can see, you don’t have bed hair or sleep sand and your clothes are in order. It should be fine!”
>“Huh? Uh, yeah... It’s fine. I guess.”
Volume 4.
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>>286426265
>MGR
Shiki Tohno simulator
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>Charlie and Richard VS Karl and Lionheart
Who win?
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>>286426124
My heroes
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Ayaka is like unsalted bread
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>>286425789
What do you mean not reconned? We have tons of servats that are stronger then Gil (Kukulkan, Void, Lorges, Altera etc.).
For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot. btw., muh not taking it seriously is excuse that 5 year olds use.
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>>286426414
>Charlie
I still have the fact that FGO just duplicated his holy sword for the NP animation when Extella already showed Charlemagne can summon weapons of his paladins for his own use
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>>286426452
>have
*hate
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>>286426345
>Lancelot can't fly
>has to steal a Jet
Weak.
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>>286426034
>implying that happening
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>>286426445
Gilfags fail to understand that he's the strongest PROPER Heroic Spirit. Which excludes anything not proper like anti-heroes, vengeful spirits, Divine Spirits using vessels, Grands and things like that.
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Where's Hyppolita?
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>>286426436
>Ayaka is like unsalted bread
The problem with amnesiac characters is that half their personality is missing.
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I just thought about this. Who would post-5th war Shirou be able to summon without any catalyst?
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>>286426376
Kek. Yeah but Rising gave everyone Red blood in the EN version.
>>286426383
JP's Rising has white blood for the regular cyborg mooks so Sam having red was a plot twist. Raiden jobbed to a human.
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>>286426508
Himself obviously
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>>286426482
proofs?
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>>286426508
Siegfried without a fucking doubt
Apo made him have EMIYA-like aspiration while not being as jaded
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>>286426386
Karl admits he sneak attacked Gil.
But yeah, Gil jobbed to Karl but was unable to be brainwashed so he became a battery.
Jets jobbed and got brainwashed so he's even worse. lmao
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>>286426369
ea gg lol
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>>286426496
in my bed
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When will Enkidu do anything.
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>>286426452
He uses the other paladins' weapon in his regular animations, no?
His NP is just a better version of his Extella Link one since he charges in with the blades instead of just pointing.
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>>286426482
Gil is the strongest because he can do the most and has a really good trump card. This is like, the entire fucking thesis of UBW as a route that actually being really good at a lot of stuff is generally pretty damn good. But you can still lose to specialists. Or people who prepare well and take advantage of your gaps.

Well, not the entire thesis, there's also the whole bit where the route spends ages literally saying "lol that shit about originals always being better is bullshit" and other themes going on. But still, it's my hyperbole, I get to use it.
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>>286426547
Enkidu will have a lot of scenes in S2.
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>>286426546
we know, Rin
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>>286426124
At least Jack has some appearances here and there, but I wish she got something on the game
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>>286426546
Them showing her entire crotch during the fight with Gil and Alcides was definitly a great choice.
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>>286426605
the DOGGOheart
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>Jets, Shirou and Richard took GoB's weapons to fight back
When will Gil shoots things that his enemy can't steal?
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>>286426518
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>>286426547
Enkidu's only scenes this season already happened (apart from a short one in the final episode). He'll have a lot more stuff in the second half including the coolest fight in the novels IMO
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>>286426622
Technically, Shirou copied them, only to destroy them a second later.
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>>286426536
In UBW he can't use Ea again shirou
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>>286426533
Jets just joined Karl because he asked nicely like with Gilles.
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>>286426445
>strongest
ORT is the strongest being in Type Moon and lost all 3 times. That's not an excuse.
>>286426482
No. It's just strongest heroic spirit. If you have a legend as a hero. That's all that matters.
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>>286426686
See >>286426623
Proper only.
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>>286425619
customs won't hire you if you're not legitimately evil
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>>286426623
Lmfao. wasn't there a line right below that you shouldn't have cut?
>strongest existence among servants
if it was a servant, he was stronger.
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>>286426729
>among THE servants
That's talking about the 5th.
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>>286426684
Gilles is stated to have a skill that lets him be unaffected by brainwashing.
Jets can be affected since Karl did it with the other Berserkers.
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>>286426729
>>286426623
>using a book from over 20 years ago as your source
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>>286426734
And the fourth.
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I am stronger than gil.
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>>286426682
he could've if he wanted to
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>>286426723
>しかし他を圧倒する実力は、まさに最強の英霊と言えるだろう。
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>>286426482
Gil is amazing for his price tag. He has cheap mana cost on GoB. has IA as well, since you likely won't be able to get an IM use. Has great NPs. Has easy to get catalysts.
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>>286426751
Berserker Lancelot is the greatest threat of the 4th not Gilgamesh.
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>>286426769
because he loves killing masters.
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>>286426778
Greastest threat to all the Servants not the masters, sorry.
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>>286426445
"Grand Archer Gilgamesh" is literally the proof that Nasu/TM can't let go of that idea. The thing is Gilgamesh is too popular and because of the VN he was grandfathered as the top dog Sservant, so aside from very specific outliers like ORT, he simply cannot be properly powercrept because his serious mode must always be, very broadly speaking, in the same tier as the "new strongest"
>For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot. btw., muh not taking it seriously is excuse that 5 year olds use
Doesn't matter WoG trumps everything if Gil loses it's because he wasn't going all-out
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>>286426769
He only managed to kill one defenseless woman and his own master.
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>>286426762
by the way, the source for this is the fate stay night remaster. this line doesn't exist in the original stay night. it was made exclusively for the 2024 release, showing that Nasu's mind on Gilgamesh's status has not changed.
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>>286426362
There's a reason they adapted the most action packed part of the first El-Melloi novels. Because they knew that it would have bored people to tears if they did anything else. And even then it did dogshit numbers IIRC.
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>>286426762
>reverse image to nothing
lol
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>>286426729
>>286426742
The Servants of the 5th war. That's the context.
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>>286426790
You mean the gameplay only thing who is as canon as Musashi being a Grand?
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>>286426790
Gilgamesh loses to Tiamat even while going all out if Chaldea isn't there. He literally has no way to even actually try to do anything but claw a few extra seconds of existence for Uruk without their involvement.
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>>286426807
Taking pride in being a tertiary isn't the best argument in the world, but you do you.
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>>286426791
It's stated that Diarmuid has to stop simping for Lancelot to kill everyone.
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>>286426790
Grand Archer Gilgamesh is a one-time powerup done for the sake of a specific quest.
That's not his standard state at all.
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>>286426846
by killing their masters.
it's the only thing that loser could achieve on his own.
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Okay but why is Gil popular?
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Again, to the anon who said to read the VN to 'participate in fate thread'.
I AM SO EXCITED TO DISCUSS WHO IS STRONGER!
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>>286426799
>>286426842
>Remaster
>talking about tertiary
LMAOOOOOO.
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>>286426825
>>286426864
Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on this because I also think Gilgamesh being the Grand Archer would be lame as fuck and frankly, he shouldn't even be qualified for the class. I'm talking more of the character concept of Naked Gilgamesh not how he fits in the game's canon
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>>286426888
Can Shiki kill Servants
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>>286426864
Grand Archer Gilgamesh is just Naked Gilgamesh. This has been a thing for decades
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>>286426622
next episode or two
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>>286426872
Then why is he outright stated as the greatest threat to the Servants and not the Masters?
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>>286426882
Cool theme, slightly problematically rapey in the original VN but in that way that activates some women's neurons. Is called strongest so powerlevel weirdos obsess over him. There are many reasons.
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What's the historical/legendary figure you want the most as a Servant?
For me it was Kriemhild, now it's Akhenaten followed by Prince Shoutoku that's just Miko
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>>286426882
>why is Gil popular
>>286426893
>Naked Gilgamesh
Nasu, HA.
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>>286426889
>i-it doesn't count
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>>286426882
A strong foundation
design
powers

i dont think he'd be as popular without his name being tied to an existing myth.
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>>286426893
Grand servants narratively aren't just anyone who is strong, they're servants with the conceptual capacity to make it possible to give humanity a way to fight against the beasts.
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>>286426912
Louis XIV and Augustus
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>>286426840
tiamat wasn't a servant, no one else could have soloed her either
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>>286426908
The greatest threat to the servants by way of killing their masters lmao
>>286426934
Grand servants are the strongest of the heroic-spirit class. They are chosen because they are compatible with the beasts, but they are explicitly stated to be the strongest many, many times.
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>>286426912
Camazotz
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Master, I created the thread on 4chan but due to my inexperience, I put the subject in the name area
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>>286426909
Rapey characters no matter what gender are always popular
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>>286426882
powerscaler for his status
Women for his high and mighty rich shit.
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>>286426842
知名度において
アーサーやヘラクレスに劣る、
最古であるが故に無名の英雄王。
しかし他を圧倒する実力は、
まさに最強の英霊と言えるだろう。
This is only about the heroes of the 5th.
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>>286426971
I should've included that the character needs to be hot also
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>>286426934
I don't mind Gilgamesh being a Grand I fucking hate "Grand Archer Gilgamesh" specifically even more so considering he's the only other Grand Archer we've seen after Orion. It's nothing but pure pandering to Gilfags and for them to pick another versions besides CCC to go "OH WELL LOOK HE'S THE STRONGEST!!!!!" I'd have accepted Grand Caster Gilgamesh before Grand Archer
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Any news about Fate Extra Record?
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>>286426931
I read the original I don't need a remaster.
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>>286426986
Bruh it's just fanservice, it's not real grand shit.
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>>286426906
Grand Archer uses a Grand vessel. Which is an extremely powerful thing and not indactive of the strength of normal Servant Gil or even living Gil.
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>fgo shitposter op
>thread is completely offtopic
>>>/vg/
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>>286427006
enjoy your outdated information and fanfic google translate text
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>>286426955
>Grand servants are the strongest of the heroic-spirit class.
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>>286426946
Beasts are Servants.
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>>286427011
Only Musashi isn't real, it's why she gets called a virtual grand servant rather than a proper one
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>>286426955
He is not stated to be a threat to the Masters anywhere.
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>>286426938
>Augustus
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>>286427011
Doesn't matter I still hate him all the same if he ever gets referenced in the story and properly canonicalized I'm gonna go nuclear
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I like that he makes people irrationally mad.
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>>286427049
Have you considered that might be because [DATA LOST]?
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>>286427027
Bro you got BTFO already lol it was only about the Servants of the 5th. Hilarious though that you say this considering your only argument against Berserkerlot was a mistranslation of one line from the Zero novel.
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>>286427064
This ain't about you
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Heh...My boy Jwingz
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Why does a series with a primarily male audience have a femcel for a protagonist?
Is Nasu stupid?
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>>286427083
>l it was only about the Servants of the 5th
Literal headcanon, stated nowhere
> your only argument against Berserkerlot
Stop hallucinating jetkek, I have never posted about that loser who has never killed a servant
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>>286427089
Dumb shitposter
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It's so funny to see anime onlies thinking John is dead
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>>286427080
every new entry with a powerful character comes with an endless tirade of OKAY BUT CAN THEY BEAT GILGAMESH
my king eternally reigns supreme, occupying the brain space of his haters
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>>286427084
Wrong, you are all part of my imagination I'm currently dreaming up. Everything I like was made specifically to please and everything I dislike was made to anger me. The world revolves around me
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>>286427100
See >>286426982
Direct comparison to Herakles and Arthur right before that line.
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>Nobody remembers Shirou disarming Lancer in the first night
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One of my goals is to eventually build a proper merch shrine for Gilgamesh with all my current figures and goods together.
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>>286427138
it's the first entry in the series, there is no one else to compare to.
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>>286426825
>gameplay only thing
This is only stated for Musashi. Even the Musashi name included the word Vacant in game.
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>>286427148
>just use dual wield swords, bro. Trust me, it fits your style
>the shit Shirou pulled when he used a one-handed weapon
Archer is a fraud.
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Post zealot
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>>286427134
even in your wildest fantasies, you're still boring and charisma-less
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>>286426840
Gilgamesh can solo Tiamat but Uruk will get destroyed. It's stated in the singularity. If he wants his country to survive he needed the help from Chaldea.
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>>286427148
Shirou is Shirou.
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>>286427172
Lancer thought he was just gutting a fish, he actually was fighting archer. There's a difference, like, Lancer spends a huge chunk of his time interacting with Archer malding because Archer is really good and refuses to take pride in his skill.
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>>286426686
>ORT is the strongest being in Type Moon and lost all 3 times.
The only thing ORT has ever "lost" to is the Malla, a deific planetary consciousness that is the result of an entire potential pantheon becoming the world itself. And it was a victory by deceit.
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>>286427148
>shirou has all these insane feats
Yet he's not even the most popular Fate protagonist
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>>286427083
>muh mistranslation
Lmao
It's him alright.
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>>286427154
>This is only stated for Musashi.
Because she's the first Grand Duel. She set the tone that it was just fanservice. Azrael story confirmed the Grand Duels didn't happen.
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>>286427204
I'm sure Iskandar being scared of Gil means he would have beaten Jets with 32 NPs bro.
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>>286427201
Meanwhile his adult self pre-FGO.
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>>286427205
So why didn't they say it again? Why only saying it for Musashi?
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>>286427233
Maybe Shirou should be less ugly then
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>>286427234
Because Musashi is [DATA LOST]
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>>286427233
Since when Rin used Archer's swords.
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>>286427234
>So why didn't they say it again?
Why would they need to repeat themselves? They already said it for the first.
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After the Monkey's Paw that is Archer Herc, I cannot trust them even if they does Saber Herc. (Nasu once mentioned Herc's swordmanship would combine with Nine Lives in this class IIRC)
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>>286427233
>lancer in last place
Actual fucking shit taste
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>>286427233
I've always wondered why they chose that image for Rin.
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What did Jester mean by this? Is False Assassin no longer connected to Jester?
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>>286427247
He will
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>>286427248
So Musashi is the only one then.
>>286427268
They stated it just for Musashi. Are you illiterate?
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>>286427286
Still is but she doesn't allow Jester's mana to flow into her as she has sugar mommy Ayaka now
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>>286426912
Otto von Bismarck. Bonus points if his kit or NP has something to do with him seething at the ship named after him
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>>286427274
Bazett...
>>286427286
Servants need energy to exist, even if Zealot didn't realize it for some reason, she had been alive thanks to Jester.
With a mage Richard employed, Zealot changed her provider to Ayaka.
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>>286427296
>They stated it just for Musashi.
Because she is the first one. They didn't say ONLY MUSASHI APPLIES. They said she was a fanservice choice for the sake of the Grand Duels.
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>>286427294
Maybe he should also have less of a homosexual voice as a kid then
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>>286427296
It's a fucking game event that was made to facilitate a gameplay function.
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>>286427324
>homosexual voice as a kid
What? Anon?
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>>286427339
Sasuke is gay
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I'm just stopping by to say:
I want to fuck EMIYA
That is all, have a good day.
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>>286427296
There's no compulsion to restate it for every following one.
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>>286427339
Shirou's VA also voices Sasuke from Naruto
And Naruto was really really homosexual at times even if it was unintentional
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>>286427347
Hakunon...
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>>286427356
Why would you tell me this now I can't unhear it.
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>>286425752
none of them, every LB king is a fucking powerhouse in their own way.
Ivan is probably the weakest, and it would still be a miracle to take him down: Chaldea did it because he was betrayed by basically everyone else in the LB.
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>>286427356
What the fuck
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Good episode
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>>286427323
>>286427351
Watch the fucking stream again, retards.
>>286427333
It's canon. Play the fucking game.
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Keep arguing who is the strongest. They are no match against the real deal.
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>>286427401
We did that's why we know about the line, Gilfag.
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>>286427184
>Gilgamesh can solo Tiamat but Uruk will get destroyed
>It's stated in the singularity
It really isn't. At all.
The only thing that's stated is that he will be the last one standing in his vision. Zero mention of him having defeated Tiamat by himself.
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>>286427395
Shirou looking mighty faggoty there
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It's honestly impressive how much random grailwar-metagaming, Grail-mud, random powers and edginess Narita shoved into Mafia man & Alcides and the end result is still two of the most boring charisma voids as "villians".
My only joy when watching them is trying to think of Soprano's memes after the CIA said something about him being in waste management as his Mafia cover.
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>>286427377
>>286427387
cucked by Saber btw
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>>286426545
That's statutory rape
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>>286427404
What the fuck is this AIslop
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>>286427463
Women write fanfiction about characters kissing
Men write fanfiction about powerlevels and what-ifs
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>>286427460
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>>286427426
>muh Gilfag
Of course it's a Jetkek seething that his jobber couldn't be a Grand Saber or Berserker.
A-rank Arondight and KoO is canon by the way as stated by Nasu.
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>>286426912
I already got my wish with Don Quixote, but I'd prefer to see him as a Berserker. And he would absolutely demolish like Jack does as one
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>>286427497
This crying about the duels only started because your headcanon about Gil being.a Grand was shut down.
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>>286426982
Nowhere is that stated to be exclusive to the fifth. It only compares his legend to Arthur and Heracles, who are two of the most famous legends. Vlad was compared to Arthur and Heracles too in terms of fame in his territory. I sure as fuck assure you that Vlad was not in the 5th holy grail war.

You're desperate as hell, fake jetfag.
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>>286427435
Wait, is THAT was that guy was fucking thinking? That being the last man standing means he won but everyone else died? What level of retardation are we on?
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>>286427528
If he uses all his power, he will live but humanity (his people) will die.
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>>286427194
ort lost when it crashed into the earth
it lost to camazotz. don't even try to debate this. nasu confirmed it outright
then it lost to chaldea/kukulkan

all cases, it was defeated.
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>>286427526
>Nowhere is that stated to be exclusive to the fifth. It only compares him to the heroes of the 5th
lmao.
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>>286427553
No he just dies last.

>>286427568
Please, tell it how it is.
>It's not stated to be exclusive to the fifth, in the piece of media where the fifth war is the only war that has been written.
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>>286427394
No. You're talking shit.
Ivan isn't the weakest lostbelt king. He is directly compared to a version of Zeus. So is Alter Ego Gilgamesh. Skadi is even weaker. Qin gained a grand vessel and lost to a handful of servants where the strongest individual was Mordred. LB Kings would get crushed by the FSF cast ganging on them at once. Except maybe Kukulkan
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>>286427526
>You're desperate as hell, fake jetfag.
What does this have to do with Jets? Dude doesn't count as a Heroic Spirit according to Zero and Saberlot mats.
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>>286427444
Alcides never had the makings of a great villain
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>>286427554
>then it lost to chaldea/kukulkan
ORT without core
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>>286427444
He was gay, Gilgamesh?
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>>286427631
I did enjoy seeing god Herc mocking Alcides but that's it
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>>286427596
>but muh remaster means Nasu hasn't changed
It hasn't changed actuslly because he was never the strongest Servant, fucking retard. That's why Saber Alter is called the strongest Servant in Heaven's Feel, she's not a proper Heroic Spirit.
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>>286427568
I'll repeat. Nowhere is it limited to the fifth war. It is comparing the FAME to two other extremely famous servants. Vlad gets the same comparison, because arthur and herk are benchmarks of fame.
>Yes, as long as he is in Romania, he has possibly the greatest fame of all—a match for Heracles in Greece, or King Arthur in Britain

He's not in the 5th war. Nor is the context the fifth war.

But again, you're an idiot arguing in bad faith and don't even believe your own words. You're aping some retard from decades ago, poorly. So last (you)
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>>286425752
Pale Rider seems like a nightmare for the ruler of a doomed world, since he is the apocalypse. Zeus and Arjuna would be a bad matchup though.
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>>286427597
>He is directly compared to a version of Zeus
His lightning is compared to Zeus but he can't spam it like Zeus does, plus Zeus has a million more authorities. Qin also just gave up and put himself in the Throne rather than fighting to the death so it's not like he went all out. Skadi should be the weakest though, Zeus and Kukulkan would mog the SF cast easily.
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>>286425752
Ivan, Skadi, Qin all easily die to the top tiers of FSF
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>>286427519
>headcanon
It's been stated only Musashi is the only outlier.
Keep coping.
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>>286427394
>>286427597
The real final boss of the LBs is needing to genocide everyone.
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>>286427444
>what if we put the deadpan edgeman with the deadpan edgeman?
>genious they will surely have great interactions
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Please tell me John is dead.
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>>286427685
That's because Gil died early...
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>>286427751
Nope
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>>286427727
>It's been stated only Musashi is the only outlier.
Literally never even implied to be the case btw.
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>>286427751
he has his own avalon.
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>>286427519
>still coping about this when Azrael showed up as Grand Assassin in the story
Jetbro...
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>>286427759
Is it because of the arm?
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>>286427692
>It is comparing the FAME to two other extremely famous servants. Vlad gets the same comparison, because arthur and herk are benchmarks of fame.
Nice headcanon.
>Yes, as long as he is in Romania, he has possibly the greatest fame of all—a match for Heracles in Greece, or King Arthur in Britain
I didn't know the 5th War happened in Greece and Britaim that's some new info right there LOL.
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>>286427767
Stated on stream about Musashi only.
You can continue coping that Jets is a joke character now.
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>>286427727
This is true, also worth noting that it was said for Musashi because she'd DATA LOST and Logress was prepped for the NY gacha.
That's why Logress makes a cameo in Goetia's fight instead
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>>286427444
>>286427748
unironically, Archer Herc would be more fun since he would just kill mafia mobster and enjoy a few days of fighting thanks to his Independent Action before dying due to mana loss
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>>286427681
>god Herc mocking Alcides
That's in the novel? Or do I have to catch up?
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>>286427782
No, it's just a weapon.
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>>286427782
Dumas'd
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>>286427801
>a match for Heracles in Greece
Absolutely fucking not. Herc's catalyst was outright banned in Greece because of how broken he would be, no such thing happened for Vlad. While he does get a substantial boost in Romania, it's not on the level of Herc's. Nasu even makes a point of saying that Herc would get a significant boost all over Western Europe.
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>>286427781
You mean the same story where Guda recognizes him as King Hassan in a new form never seen before and not some Grand Duel enemy he fought in the past?
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>>286427718
No, he was compared to Zeus even before his lightning came out. I do agree with you though. This was only based on Caenis and Atalanta's estimates. They would be more familiar with PHH Zeus than LB Zeus. But PHH Zeus is still somewhere on the level of LB Zeus in raw firepower. Typhon stole PHH Zeus' thunder, and it was stated in the wings of tears event that this thunder was on the level of what they recorded from LB Zeus.
>Zeus and Kukulkan would mog the SF cast easily
Maybe, but I don't think so. Kukulkan especially needs her NP to deal with a handful of gugalanna legs or thereabouts. She doesn't have infinite mana either. She's miles stronger than any of them individually, but time and again, upsets have been pulled by greater numbers and teamwork.
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>>286427811
But would archer Herc dick down Hippo?
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>>286427819
>That's in the novel?
Yes
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>>286427681
>>286427819
Wasn't God Herc but a vestige of Herc's spirit. The implication is that Herc's split off Divinity has remained in the world and is doing something in the background to counteract Alcides. Maybe that's why all of his NP's are getting nerfed.
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>>286427806
>Stated on stream about
Grand Duel. Keep coping.
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>>286427801
It's literally in apocrypha. good job exposing yourself.
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>All of this because someone asked why people think Gilgamesh is strong
LMAO
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>>286427685
If you wish to suggest that the text is not the same as in the og fsn, I would require you bring the proof.
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>>286426901
Which?
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>>286427892
No other character riles people up this bad
Gilgamesh is built different
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>>286427444
I think it's even sad that Narita had to backtrack and said Alcides is a shitter in Volume 8.
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>>286427877
>Pieces of scrap metals
How rude. I would be happy if my dad was a Transformers.
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>>286427856
Reading comprehension fail. It is talking about fame, not power-levels. Vlad in his territory is as famous as Heracles is in greece. It's comparing a localized fame boost to one widespread across a continent. It also doesn't mean they are equals. It means Vlad gets a huge jump in power from the boost. Enough where is a rival to Karna and Achilles. Ordinarily, Vlad is trash to them. It is not about him being equal in power. Just that he gets a lot stronger.
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>>286427807
I'm not sure if this is true, but apparently, Lord Logres, being the Super Saber, you know the face of the app, was originally planned to be the 10th anniversary Servant and U-Olga the NY Servant. And then they got swapped.
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>>286427881
Specifically for Grand Duel Saber*
They had a livestream for Grand Duel Berserker and yet they didn't say anything.
Lancelot is a joke.
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>>286427892
there's a jetfag who is obsessed with gilgamesh. they were silent for weeks because gilgamesh wasn't relevant. now that he's back, they're up to shit on the threads again. tthen there are the other morons who keep replying to them.
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>>286427891
I'm exposing your copium as not being the same at all. Talking about Herakles in Greece and Arthur in Britaim instatly means it's not about the 5th unlike Gil's line.
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Success breeds jealousy.
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>>286427718
Skadi is a living goddess, she's at least above Qin Shi Huang who is just a man, if a giant metal man with an orbital bombardment system. She had expended a great deal of her power stopping Surtr which is why Chaldea managed to take her in a fight.
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>>286427962
>They had a livestream for Grand Duel Berserker and yet they didn't say anything.
Why would they need to repeat over and over what they already established on the first Grand Duel?
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>>286427965
I am reminded of being told "the opposite of love isn't hatred, it's apathy" because hatred is a strong emotion much like love. When you hate something you truly feel very strongly about said thing, much like this anon who is seething about Gil.
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>>286427877
>The figure twice his own size
Kek Archer Herc mogging him from the grave
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>>286427972
Heracles isn't in greece and artoria isn't in britain. Neither of them are summoned. It's just saying vlad is as famous as them in his hometown. It has nothing to do with any on-going wars. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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>>286427867
>She doesn't have infinite mana either
She kinda does since the Malla's roots have spread across a large portion of the planet.
Her giant light form is a result of channeling all the power flowing through the leylines of a continent.
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>>286427993
Heavy is the crown, yet our king keeps his head held ever high
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>>286426482
>>286426623
So... he can't beat the strongest dragon
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>>286428051
I can't imagine putting that much effort into it, kek. Jetfag is Gilgamesh's beast. OTP
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>“Sigma... You’re determined to save a girl. This is your source of faith.”, she used his name directly to get the point across. "I am immature by nature, and on top of that, I’m sullied by the hellspawn’s ill will, so I cannot be your guide... but you found something worth believing in.”
>After those final words, she left the back alley.
>But the look on her face when she did remained marked in Sigma’s brain.
>The face she made to Sigma at the end was—
>A human smile of heartfelt joy. A smile she never had before.

These two are centuries ahead of Sieg and Jeanne in terms of writing.
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>>286428062
>Neither of them are summoned. It's just saying vlad is as famous as them in his hometown.
Yeah so not the same as Gil's line at all.
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>>286428122
>getting along with infidels
haram kuffar
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>>286428096
I mean she's Lancelot-Lily and prefers Jets over Saberlot so clearly she can fuck up Gil as well.
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>>286428096
Melusine fucks Percival
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>>286427930
Alcides was extremely rude, yes
Daddy Zeus even made sure to let Hera become a rape target in Gigantomachia just so Herc could save and have leverage over her
He was a cool dad in Fate
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>>286428088
The Malla only exist within the confines of LB7 itself though, so that's a matter of territory. She doesn't get that in Chaldea or anywhere else. So is the hypothetical fight in Mictlan or in Snowfield?
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>>286428096
>Muramasa called this sexy
never change, Nasu
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>>286428137
The importance is that their fame is worth being compared whether they are summoned or not, because they're among the most famous servants. The paragraph you quoted comparing him to them, was of fame, not of summoning. It isn't restricted to the grail war.
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>>286428096
>Just between the two of us, the darker Knight of the Lake is more my type.
Remember that, Master. There isn't a fighter jet that wouldn't swoon at machine guns.
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>>286428088
Mala was already very weak in LB7 by the time Kukulkan was summoned. She needed master mana to perform against Eresh. Either way, there is no Malla in FSF.
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Speaking of fame, can we have Cu be summoned in Ireland for once just so he can have all his toys?
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>>286428339
>designated jobber
no.
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>>286428339
Please don't say Sakurai got Ireland.
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>>286428122
>Yeah i'm a shitter, but that's not an excuse to not save a little girl
I'm enjoying the irony of the assassin being the character with the least bullshit motives going on and the strongest moral alignment.
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>>286428380
Sakurai got Norse and considering fate uses "Norse= Celtic" to wank Celtic mythology there's a non-zero chance she did
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>>286428444
>DEATH
Cu is dead before he can begin, again!
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would Jack get any additional NP if summoned in England?
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>>286428339
Definitely no. We never get a heroic spirit in the full of their power except as villains.
Someday we might get Berserker Cu though.
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>>286428498
Yes? Probably being able to pop out anywhere and not identifiable by any means.
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It's Sakura's birthday
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>>286428444
Doesn't she also have fucking Rome? How did a single hack manage to get all of Europe considering how Hero dense it is.
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>>286428330
>She needed master mana to perform against Eresh
This is fucking bullshit. How much mana could Fujimaru provide Kukulcan to the point it would make any sort of difference?
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>>286428564
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>>286428565
>all of Europe
Higashide gets a portion of Greek, French and Germany
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>“If you can topple this wall... you’ll be accomplishing something we couldn’t. I’m rooting for you. When you do it, we’ll walk away from your life on a literal road of light.”
>"? What are you talking about?”
>“Huh?”
>The silhouette was puzzled at Sigma’s puzzled reaction.
>“We’re on a joint operation. When I overcome this wall you’re talking about, you come with me... There’s no logical reason for the shadows to walk away.”
>“... Is this your idea of a joke?”
“>"What part of it was funny?”
>Sigma was expressionless as always. The old captain’s silhouette returned.
>“Lad... Ain’t you forgetting we’re Watcher’s shadows, not yours?”
>“Oh...”, Sigma awkwardly averted his eyes for a moment. “Sorry, it completely escaped my mind.”
>Sigma expressed his honest feelings with a bitter smile, something very rare for him.
>“Turns out I grew pretty fond of your nagging.”
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>>286428565
I mean Higashide wrote Constantine and Johanna so it's not like Sakurai owns the romans
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>>286428498
Probably. Maybe something like "Autumn of Terror" as a mental attack inflicting panic or mistrust. Who knows?
Also in its hometown which is one of the most populous cities in the world, From Hell would be at its most outrageous, probably strong enough to challenge divine beasts and top class heroes. Or, if the author wants to go wild, acquire Beast-like traits and manifest as a false Satan.
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Arc Herc written by Sakurai soon
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>>286428652
>Turns out I grew pretty fond of your nagging
HHHHHHHH
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>>286428684
He will rail Hippo so hard the cum will be leaking out of her ears
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>>286428576
Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just referencing the story.

Kukulkan:
I get it now! I won't hide anything anymore! I shall show you my true form and save everyone!

Kukulkan:
But if I'm free to do as I please... I'd like to you to do that thing to me too...

Kukulkan:
Magical energy replenishment, I believe it's called? That convenient functional magical energy path that Servants have.

Kukulkan:
I'd like to unveil my trump card with a bang with that... Will you do it for me?
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>>286428684
Nasu won't let other people play with the toys he hasn't already played with (that the mushroom actually wants to)
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Is there no one in control of writing Iranian Plateau Servants(Not counting the Hashashin)? Aren't the only ones Angra Mainyu(Fake), Darius and Arash? Two of which are FGO low-star release Servants? With Darius only making it probably because Iskander is popular.
There is still a bunch of people like Tamerlane and other heroes from old Persian/Zoroastrian myths.
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>>286427394
You're overestimating LB kings or underestimating FSF cast. Most LB Kings are chief god level deities or thereabouts. Which is high-end but not so much that a team of top-grade servants can't win. Gugalanna is just shy of Zeus and Typhon. Alcides stole its power and Alter Ego Gilgamesh seems stronger and was directly compared to Zeus. Add in all the rest and a lone LB King won't beat them at the same time.

It's a different story if the LBs have time to plan and work on their home base. For example, Arjuna being outside of India is getting slammed with a hard nerf.
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>>286428815
He clearly had no problem giving Herc to Narita
Narita was just being paranoid as fuck and felt he himself was unworthy to write sane Herc
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>>286428815
You're making shit up and I won't stand for it. Nasu loves letting his friends do crazy shit. It's the other authors who refuse to lay their hands upon "Nasu's characters" due to the reverence they hold for him.
As far as I know, the only thing Nasu's ever said "no don't do that" to is Urobuchi wanting to have one of the Twelve Xian for Caster in Fate/Zero, and he said "actually I don't like having east asian spirits seeking the western holy grail, also Xian are divine spirit class" so Urobuchi came up with Gilles instead.
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>>286428952 (me)
Sorry I miscounted. There are only Eight Xian.
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>>286426882
>bullied Seiba at the banquet
>successfully changed Masters without dirtying his hands
>defeated Iskandar
>tanked the grail mud
Basically he had a good showing in F/Z.
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>>286428815
Sakurai is in charge of the Olympians. She's gonna have a hand in it.
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>>286429036
There's no way they let Sakurai do that shit again after Olympus was one of the most hated LB's while Atlantis is one of the most loved
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>>286429051
That dog will turn ugly like Richard's FGO ascension
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>>286428952
Narita not wanting to write archer herc as if Nasu has some grand plan for him gives me second-hand embarrassment every time I think about it.
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>>286428952
>"actually I don't like having east asian spirits seeking the western holy grail"
It's so funny reading this when FGO releases a new "literally who?" Japanese Servant every few months now. I know FGO's stuff isn't really grail related, but it is still funny how Fate used to be Japanese writers mostly writing for historical/mythical characters they had no real bias towards, but now we have shit like Redline and SamRem.
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>Jets has infinite mana
>gets killed by Gilles of all people
Uhhh...
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I know it's set in america but has anyone told fake assassin about this?
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>>286429065
Yes, they will because Ido, written by Sakurai, was well-received
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>>286429080
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>>286429092
>literalwhojap is powerless or some writer
>OH BUT THEY HAD BUDDHA SHOVED UP THEIR ASS
FGO is garbage, man
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>>286429065
>There's no way they let Sakurai do that shit again after Olympus
She's still here and recently wrote the Valentines event with Demeter.
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>>286429111
Nobody likes Id wtf are you on about
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>>286429082
His lion form is beautiful.
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>>286429093
>heroic spirit
oh no...
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>>286429111
>due to Jeanne Alter whose not her character and generic school setting which JPs like
Low hanging fruit.
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>>286429006
>all these good showing
>can't beat Iskandar in the poll
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>>286429080
>>286429113
Yumes are eating so good with this show
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>>286429157
>polls
Yawn
Wake me up when Iskandar appears in anime again
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>>286429164
>richayaka shippers
>yumes
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>>286429157
DUDE's popularity at the height of Zero was something else.
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>>286429145
I still believe he will merge with Ayaka and explain this form.
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>>286429189
El Melloi???
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You know, German has suprisingly few servants in Fate
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>>286429157
>flavor of the week at the time the poll came out
Not surprising, but if a poll was made today he wouldn't crack the top 50
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>>286429071
OOC trash
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>>286429217
Your Karl de Grosse?
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>>286429192
Ayaka is the most blatant shoujo self-insert bait you can make.
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>>286428880
>>286428952
Japanese are notorious for not saying what is actually the case and being political with their language. I don't for a second want to actually imply what I kinda did without meaning to because I was in the wrong lexical mode for /a/ but Nasu generally wants to have the lore foundations sorted out first, and if he has it in mind he often wants to reveal it in a way he envisions. Once that first barrier is done yeah go nuts. FGO made this WAY easier.

I wish to point out that this is a writer who decided what the most powerful category of defence in the setting is while watching a mecha anime in 1984.
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>>286429231
Surely all the Alexander wanks in El Melloi case file and adventure would amount to something
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>>286429271
Those still can't fix him being an obnoxiously loud manchild
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>>286429266
Nothing self-insert about Ayaka
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>>286429217
What can you call directly "germanic mythology"? Is Siegfried german? Is Galahad german? Is Charlemagne german? Is Odin german?
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>>286429238
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>>286429271
>muh Divine Spirit Iskandar
He has no feats other than his breaking Saber, his RM being so cheap that he can use his own mana instead of his Master's and Gordius Wheel being super fast.
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>>286429092
Nasu still doesn't write japanese servants honestly, it's all Sakurai and Keikenchi.
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>>286426234
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>>286429268
Actually I wish to expand, it's not even just anti-purge defence that came from Panzer world Galient, half the fucking ideas underpinning it are basically a response to that anime.
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>>286428021
because it wasnt established, as Indra's, Noah's, and Solomon's were confirmed. So yeah, as we know for a fact certain duels happened, you need to prove that the one stated an exception applies to the rest
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>>286429374
>He has no feats
go back to versus battles or some shit
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>>286429445
Dude didn't do shit. Talk trash, killed Assassin who was ordered to die, lost Gordius Wheel like a dumbass, still lose to Gil with 3 Command Seal boosts to compensate for the Gordius Wheel loss.
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>>286429553
The only thing that can tank Ea is Avalon, Enkidu, and... what else?
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I still feel disguting when I remember Ergo exists
This and Divine Spirit Iskandar were really going too far
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>>286429209
>cameo
Are you even trying with your bait
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>>286429592
anything that has anti-purge defence.
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>>286429592
I forget he trampled over Lancelot like he ran over a deer. That was funny.
Still, they stated that some of the IH soldiers were stronger than Iskandar and yet they couldn't be fast enough to close the gap to attack Gil?
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>>286427554
WTF are you dumb fuck trying to prove? "We" defeated heavily nerfed ORT with a help of whole plethora servants, dino on steroids and literaly heart of ORT. We needed to cheat to defeat it.
Do tell how many servants was ever needed to fuck up Gil? Just one!. So fuck off with your retarded Gil fagging.
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>>286429110
Hassan-i-Sabbah soon
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>>286429553
the first thing he did was defeat Lancelot without using his NP.
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>>286429592
Eggplant can tank it
Castoria probably can
Arjuna should
Morgan should
KKK should
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>>286429683
>Do tell how many servants was ever needed to fuck up Gil? Just one!
You mean Saber right? Herk, Cu and Gil beat her 1v1. Hell, even the school teacher beat her up.
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>>286429683
>heavily nerfed ORT
So ORT lost.
You're making excuses. I'm talking about the end result. There are circumstances in damn near every fight in Fate. That's the whole fucking point. If you focus only on wins and losses, you'll completely miss what's important.
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>>286429603
>Divine Iskandar is going too far
No, that will never be the case because FGO exists.
>>286429676
>fast enough to close the gap to attack Gil?
Surely you're joking. Gil is going melee with Arthuria. What do you think someone else would be able to do?
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>>286429699
I forget to mention that, yeah. But he did use Gordius Wheel. And people say Lancelot was fast lmao >>286429676
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>>286429592
Buddha.
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>>286429553
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>>286429749
LOL
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>>286429735
To make Iskandar look good? He looks like shit in Zero since IH just gets wiped out by Ea. Gil didn't even use the beam.
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>>286429734
You are moving goalposts. It's big diff how ORT was defeated and how was Gil. But I do know it's hard to look at facts with that goldies dick in your mouth.
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>>286429740
Yeah, Diarmuid was specifically fast enough to dodge but Lancelot wasn't kek. One correction though. The story is weird about this but Gordius Wheel is not the "noble phantasm." Via Expugnatio is, which is the true release. Vol 4 says it was incomparably more powerful than what stomped Lancelot. It's like the difference between Saber having Excalibur in hand and hitting shit, to her using Excaliblast. Technically, they're the NP, but the thing written in the mats and given focus is the true name release.
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>>286427962
Why are you lying? There was never a Grand Duel stream for any class. The only one was when they introduced Musashi, and that was to present the Grand Duel in general. There was no stream for Berserker or Archer; they just came out without any fanfare. The Noah and Indra streams focused on their events, not the Grand Duel itself.
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>>286429749
Someone needs to compile all the Lancelot jobbing scenes.
There was one where he jobbed to a giant rock in FGO.
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>>286429713
Heavily nerfed Saber? Yeah she was. Do tell some excuses on why Gil got slaped so many times. Muh strongest.
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>>286429787
>You are moving goalposts.
You're the one moving goalposts, you fucking clown.
>>286426445
>For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot.
Blub blub, strongest loses a lot
Fucking ORT is miles stronger and constantly loses. Nearly every strong thing in Fate loses. That's a stupid point to make. Whether one loses harder than another doesn't change the fact that they lose. It's too late to start pretending that context matters. Because if you did, you'd know that Gilgamesh's battles HAVE context to them.
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>>286429749
Jetkeks...
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>>286429784
>Iskandar looks shit in Zero
That's never the case.
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>>286429683
>ust one!
ORT lost to Camazotz in a 1 vs 1.
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>>286429266
actual yume here, have you actually seen a few yume x richard arts that have been floating around?
The requirement to be a female yume selfinsert is pretty high nowaday. She have to be demi god or atleast stronger than the male lead herself lol.
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>>286429796
>Gilfag lying again
Why am I not surprised?
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>>286429899
Ayaka is a drop of the planet's mana gaining sentience.
She's technically a goddess.
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>>286429927
but she doesnt act like one, is always in the back seat. that's a big nono yume have to fucking aura farm over her male lead from the get go
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>>286429834
Lol what a retard. Your proof that Gil is strongest and still can lose is that ORT was defeated too? What a moron. Gil lost to fucking Liz, to teenager and many others, while ORT lost to literally himself.
So sad, that ater all those years and facts you still can live with Gil being a jobber.
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>>286429961
Vol 8-9.
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>>286429970
way too late
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>>286429961
Isn't that because of the "recent" uptick of CN/KR webnovels? Yume inserts used to be the bland one that's somehow super special
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>>286429986
Actually, that's where things just started.
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>>286429962
No. My proof is that wins and losses don't decide strength. They only decide who wins and loses, something that can be a result of various factors outside strength.

You're too much of a turbo retarded to understand, evidently.
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>>286429962
Also lost to Camazotz, btw.
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>>286429817
>doesn't count
Why is Artoria the only one who can use the nerf excuse?
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>>286430051
Because Shirou is her master and he is universally shit at that period, except having Avalon.
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>>286430013
What a load of crap. You can spin things however you like and turn your eyes away from a facts.
ORT losing (and later still reviving) to someone that needed to sacrifice whole planet population and later to himself (while still mega nerefed) is big difference then being defeted to teeneager and many other servants. He literally refuses to fight space Ishtar, knowing only Saber can defeat her. He sure act as the STRONGEST!.
Fucking retard you are.
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>>286429994
>>286429994
>Yume inserts used to be the bland one that's somehow super special
I will assume you are thinking of Yume in a sense of otome Yume, because that's when the trend started but in reality the trope started in shoujo manga. Where the predominant writing motif is to empathize with the feMC not become her.
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>>286430051
Because this is major plot point of the LN? Fucking secondaries.
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>>286430172
>>286430051
Meant VN.
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>>286430172
>>286430190
And? Gil also nerfs himself. Why can't he use that excuse?
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>>286425364
>>286424848
How exactly did Alcides struggle? How exactly do you one hit KO Aclides. Did he not just face tank like 400 demon lasers? Didn't even lose an arm or anything.
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>>286430139
Of course the resident Gil hater can't spell or read.
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>>286425359
>pushed the greatest Greek Hero
No, he pushed a fraction of the greatest Greek hero, twisted by rage, into using his strongest NP. Alcides is but a shadow of Heracles and the narration makes it painfully clear this is the case. Alcides is a name without the larger legend behind it.
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>>286430139
>TL: I'm too stupid to understand basic principles
Yeah we get it
>ORT losing (and later still reviving) to someone
So it lost.
Also, not the planet population. Just one specific civilization totaling 100 million. So that's another lie. Also irrelevant because my point, again, is that the strongest can lose many times for whatever reason.

You keep coping but there is literally no way around this. There are many more examples than Gilgamesh and their positions are not made illegitimate because of their losses. You're just too stupid to separate your bias from the facts.
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>>286430237
Ah, so we are making shit up now? Good to know.
He literally says he needs to go full power against Saber in final fight in Fate. But OK, keep using old excuse, that everyone is making fun of it.
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>>286430346
No. LN explicitly states that Alcides still posseses what made Heracles the great hero, and that he has surpassed him at this point.
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>>286430326
He was getting hit by Jack directly?
His pelt only deflects non-Divinity weapons. Jack can hurt him with his claws and punches.
Fuck, even Li Shuwen can kick his ass with his punches and kicks.
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>>286430048
Camazotz's victory was momentary and meaningless without the Malla.
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>>286430376
>full power
Gilgamesh only lost because he wasn't serious, as per Nasu. Using Ea doesn't make him serious either. Nasu's mind is Gilgamesh fighting without any reservation and using whatever he can to exploit weaknesses. Any Gilgamesh that isn't using SNI is nerfed. Explicitly, if Gilgamesh was going all out, Saber, even with Avalon, could not rival him.
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>>286430376
>full power
I don't recall him using his Clairvoyance though.
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>>286430420
Doesn't matter. A 10-count is a 10-count. Ort might still win the war, but it lost the battle. A loss is a loss
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>>286430379
And yet every major thing he accomplishes is stated to be something that the full Heracles could pull off. The mud-powered hydra arrow immediately comes to mind.
Face it, Alcides is merely a piece of Herc and it's missing that heroic X factor that really makes him shine. Powerlevelfaggotry and having a bunch of NPs plays second to the narrative power of Being The Guy. In a series where characters are stories and tropes come to life and their capability in influenced by the narrative role of their legends, being capital H Heracles matters more than having a bunch of things.
What the LN states is that Alcides is missing crucial pieces of himself, including the heroic disposition that makes him the greatest hero.
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>>286430348
>Yeah we get it
Making shit up just so justify Gil being a jobber and crying because people call you on it. Yeah, proper retard behaviour.
>my point, again, is that the strongest can lose many times for whatever reason.
This is Oxford dictionary explanation on strongest:
Adjective
1.
intensity: most intense or powerful in effect
This is the strongest argument I've heard.

2.
power: having the most influence or control

ORT covers all of this. He has strongest atacks and defences - reason why we needed so many servants and special cheats to win.

GIL DOES NOT. Got fucked by Excalibour, couldn't reach Saber with EA tthrough Avalon and even couldn't be on par with teenagers swordplay.
Strange you failed to address his cowardice to fight space Ishar.

But pls, do go on, make some more abstract excuses why Gil loses so much and can stil be STRONGEST.
Retard.
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>>286430600
>This is Oxford dictionary explanation on strongest:
Please, do it again.
I think you just killed me.
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>>286430469
>And yet every major thing he accomplishes is stated to be something that the full Heracles could pull off. The mud-powered hydra arrow immediately comes to mind.
No actually. They state this only one time. This is how I know that you haven't read the novels. Ishtar is the only one who states that what Alcides accomplished with grail mud and Bazdilot's mana crystals, could have been done by Archer Herc without those things.
> Alcides is merely a piece of Herc
Not according to the story. The story tells us Alcides has every bit of what made Heracles a hero. His tenacity and martial arts. Alcides isn't even missing his heroic trait because he acknowledges that he is playing a villain who should be exterminated. In fact, the real heracles appears in his mind to tell him that he will never be able to get rid of something related to Herc.

You're trying really hard to make Alcides weaker but the story never supports it. everyone who talks about alcides reinforces that he is every bit heracles is and more. especially herc's biggest fangirl.
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>>286430431
So many secondaries. He literally says he needs to go serious. Make shit up more pls.

>Explicitly, if Gilgamesh was going all out, Saber, even with Avalon, could not rival him.
More making shit up. Where do you guys live? In delulu town?
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>>286430600
My apologies. I didn't realize I was dealing with someone so supremely autistic. To the extent of pulling an oxford dictionary that doesn't even include a topic of wins and losses, which was the whole point to begin with.

I'll leave you alone now and leave with one sound advice: touch grass.
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>>286430618
Yes I know. It's hard to maintain your level of delusion. Better to just use one liners.
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>>286430641
Nope. He said he would not hold back with Ea. Using Ea doesn't mean Gilgamesh is serious. According to Nasu, he was not.

Though he lost due to obsession against Saber…
Though he lost due to pride against Shirou…
Though he lost due to carelessness against XXXXX…
…the fact of the matter is that if he actually gets serious, he is a Servant that cannot be rivaled.

Gilgamesh using clairvoyance would have seen through the avalon tactic before it even happened and exploited weaknesses. here he was just fighting power on power.
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>>286430676
Lmao. So salty, go back to fucking reddit. You can suck on Gil's dick with other delulu retards.
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>>286427919
I don't know why you people are like this. Him using Nine Lives, his martial arts, passively to combat a hail of Noble Phantasms is not "making him a shitter." He was fighting against an array of GoB hailfire that nearly no one else has had to contend with before, and he came out of it unscathed.
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>>286430701
I have no part in whatever discussion you're having.
I think Gil is the strongest, too, but I just can't with bringing up dictionary.
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>>286430641
>The Archer class Servant of the Fourth Holy Grail War. Though he was summoned by Tohsaka Tokiomi, he ended up deserting his master and re-contracting with Kotomine Kirei. He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
In the boy-meets-girl story of the original Fate/stay night he was forced to yield to the universal law of "love conquers all", but in Fate/Zero he's free to show off his overwhelming, cheat-like strength without restraint. He could have ended the war in a single night if he truly desired to do so. But then, careless pride is the king's prerogative, and getting serious over something as frivolous as a wish-granter would be unbecoming. So, taking that into account, it sort of balances out the huge disparity in firepower… I guess?
Keep coping though.
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>>286430730
>reddit
Reddit is primarily Saberfag territory. It's where you belong mainly.
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>>286430718
He says, with all his power. Read fucking VN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72tD9v8kdI&t=135s
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>>286430781
Lmao, you keep making shit up, it's amazing. There are mostly Gin fags and retard powerscalers. Go there, you gonna feel at home.
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>>286430718
>…the fact of the matter is that if he actually gets serious, he is a Servant that cannot be rivaled.
U-Olga and Tiamat still beat him though.
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>>286430799
>Fate route
Yeah, I got what's the problem.
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>>286430631
>could have been done by Archer Herc without those things
Which is a pretty big deal.
>His tenacity and martial arts
Except that isn't the sum total of Heracles as a hero. His noble disposition, his care for the weak, his regrets, and his pride are all a part of him as a hero. It's why Hippo is so disappointed in him. Yes, there are vestiges of himself still there that he can't remove, but playing the villain is unbecoming of him and he knows this.
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>>286430831
>>286430781
Fucking autocorrect. Gil, not Gin
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>>286430833
oh wow it's almost like servants aren't made to fight fucking BEASTS
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>>286430833
And Karl the Great.
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>>286430962
Arthur (male) is. What is Gil's excuse?
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>>286430962
Beasts are Servants though.
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>>286430998
>Arthur (Male)
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What Servants would prefer The Lord of the Rings and which would prefer A Song of Ice and Fire?
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>>286431030
So no retort then. Did not expect it anyway.
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>>286431057
Rhodesian blank slate hands typed this post
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>>286430676
>which was the whole point to begin with
No. This was YOUR point, which was wrong.
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>>286428096
How old is Melusine's body?
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>>286431469
At least 10k years old.

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