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For me, it's Tine
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it's just a headache
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>>286424854
>badass looking mysterious spooky boogey assassin
>actually worthless garbage with bad NP
Meanwhile True Assassin is all vibes zero substance.
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>>286424877
Zealot? My wife.
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this is Miyamoto Musashi
say something nice to him
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>>286424877
Tine would build a neat Castoria
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She solos
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>Why didn't Alcides steal Gil's GoB?
Technically even if he did, it wouldn't work.
GoB just allows Gill to access everything that ever belonged to him. The main issue is that for most Servants, everything they own is already on their backs when they are summoned. GoB is just abusing the fact that Gill owns a lot of shit and can throw them at you. If it gets stolen Alcides would just be able to throw whatever is considered his material possessions, which is nearly nothing he doesn't already carry.
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>>286425126
Of course she does. Gil fags are just seething that their "hero" got low-diffed AGAIN!
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from the Typemoon wiki"
>The rank of the Noble Phantasm changes from "E~A++" due to it reflecting the ranks of the contents of the treasury. It is a Noble Phantasm that becomes more powerful with the user's wealth, but would accordingly not be useful without a wealth of valuables.
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Anons, do you have faith?
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aesc
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>>286425303
Honestly I'm more surprised by how easily Jack was taken out. Some people were gassing him up like crazy in episode 0 so I expectde him to at least put up a better fight if he was gonna get hoed in his first fight
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>>286425303
Nah for whatever reason the anime showed Alcides stopping Jack with no effort at all. Not even a scratch on him, while in the novel he actually had to struggle.
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>>286425359
LIMITLESS
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>>286425419
Watch the show bro.
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This is the kind of shit he fought while alive, Jack is like a minor annoyance in comparison
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>>286425456
Watch the show /vpol/shartybro.
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>>286425471
That's not as graphic or as difficult to redraw as actual disembowlment
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>>286424945
i love [DATA LOST]
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She solos
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>>286425522
>Her head looks way too small for it to have a face on the other side.
to be honest it's also really difficult to actually draw someone in so many pieces as well, especially because there's not many models or refs.
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>>286425456
So just show Jack draw blood at least, Alcides barely took any damage in the anime. And it's not the first time they do this, they basically removed all the damage from the Gil vs Alcides vs Hippolyta fight too.
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>>286425629
nu uh
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>>286425619
They're protecting you from CP and terrorists.
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she solos unironically
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>>286425559
speaking of
which Lostbelt Kings can FSF cast beat?
Ivan?
Skadi?
Qin?
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>>286425584
>they probably didn't know what floppy disk is
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Why does everyone call Gil the strongest servant when all he does is fly out of range of everyone and shoot his weapons that don't seem to really do anything? I may be retarded secondary but it seems anyone can do that yet everyone shits themselves when he appears.
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>>286424945
>appears
>cuts
>makes everyone seethe
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>>286425761
powercreep happens
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>>286425809
Jack is neutral evil like this pedo cat
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>posting femcel slop
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>>286424945
She looks like she fucks young men
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>>286425923yeah in OC4 Galahad wanted her to become a Ruler but she refused so she became Paladin class instead. Her NP is back to Lord Chaldeas and she is now a proper Living Servant
Mash also buster loops now
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>>286425863
>Nice shield, trashu
>reincarnation pandora
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What are the chances of Shiro getting pulled in Strange Fake in later volumes and summoning this chad?
Would be cool.
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Can we already call him the KING OF BEGGARS, or is it too early?
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>>286426006
You're right, a true American patriot would only die for Israel
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>>286426151
>please Gilgamesh-sama let me use your weapons so I don't fire D rank Excaliburs
This is your king Richardkeks?
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>>286426157
This is from last week's thread
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>>286426166
Someone post the fanart where it evolves in front of ayaka and richard.
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>>286425457
even "heroes" like jack will always be more impressive than random jobber monsters. some monsters are able to transcend the jobber monster status and become heroes themselves but ladon certainly did not. this is also very evident on how all of alcides' summons are completely useless shit and the only parts of his kit that matter are the grail mud (hero), sash (hero/god), nine lives (hero) and pandora (assuming it was used with gugalanna)
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She Solos.
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>>286426233
Lovely
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>>286426310
Oh yeah, Sam has the red blood. While the mooks has white. I think it helps with the story since Raiden notices he's 95% human die to it unlike the rest.
Another Cero Z rating due to blood is the Chaos; VNs.
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>>286426298
Shut up, bitch.
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>>286425881
Please provide a source. That scene in Apoc still pops into my mind from time to time.
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>>286426343
>While the mooks has white.
Its cyborg blood. Raiden had white blood in MGS4. Hence the strongly homosexual imagery of Vamp licking Raiden's blood after penetrating him with a knife.
>>286426357
The greek mytho bro. And not Achilles.
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The artist is drawing a cut scene from the LN.
>Saber carefully scrutinized her face, always remaining alert to events on the other side of the door, and nodded.
>“As far as I can see, you don’t have bed hair or sleep sand and your clothes are in order. It should be fine!”
>“Huh? Uh, yeah... It’s fine. I guess.”
Volume 4.
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>>286425789
What do you mean not reconned? We have tons of servats that are stronger then Gil (Kukulkan, Void, Lorges, Altera etc.).
For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot. btw., muh not taking it seriously is excuse that 5 year olds use.
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>>286426445
Gilfags fail to understand that he's the strongest PROPER Heroic Spirit. Which excludes anything not proper like anti-heroes, vengeful spirits, Divine Spirits using vessels, Grands and things like that.
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Kek. Yeah but Rising gave everyone Red blood in the EN version.
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JP's Rising has white blood for the regular cyborg mooks so Sam having red was a plot twist. Raiden jobbed to a human.
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in my bed
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Gil is the strongest because he can do the most and has a really good trump card. This is like, the entire fucking thesis of UBW as a route that actually being really good at a lot of stuff is generally pretty damn good. But you can still lose to specialists. Or people who prepare well and take advantage of your gaps.
Well, not the entire thesis, there's also the whole bit where the route spends ages literally saying "lol that shit about originals always being better is bullshit" and other themes going on. But still, it's my hyperbole, I get to use it.
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>>286426124
At least Jack has some appearances here and there, but I wish she got something on the game
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>>286426445
>strongest
ORT is the strongest being in Type Moon and lost all 3 times. That's not an excuse.
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No. It's just strongest heroic spirit. If you have a legend as a hero. That's all that matters.
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>>286426686
See >>286426623
Proper only.
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>>286426623
Lmfao. wasn't there a line right below that you shouldn't have cut?
>strongest existence among servants
if it was a servant, he was stronger.
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>using a book from over 20 years ago as your source
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>>286426723
>しかし他を圧倒する実力は、まさに最強の英霊と言えるだろう。
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"Grand Archer Gilgamesh" is literally the proof that Nasu/TM can't let go of that idea. The thing is Gilgamesh is too popular and because of the VN he was grandfathered as the top dog Sservant, so aside from very specific outliers like ORT, he simply cannot be properly powercrept because his serious mode must always be, very broadly speaking, in the same tier as the "new strongest"
>For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot. btw., muh not taking it seriously is excuse that 5 year olds use
Doesn't matter WoG trumps everything if Gil loses it's because he wasn't going all-out
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by the way, the source for this is the fate stay night remaster. this line doesn't exist in the original stay night. it was made exclusively for the 2024 release, showing that Nasu's mind on Gilgamesh's status has not changed.
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There's a reason they adapted the most action packed part of the first El-Melloi novels. Because they knew that it would have bored people to tears if they did anything else. And even then it did dogshit numbers IIRC.
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The Servants of the 5th war. That's the context.
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Gilgamesh loses to Tiamat even while going all out if Chaldea isn't there. He literally has no way to even actually try to do anything but claw a few extra seconds of existence for Uruk without their involvement.
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>>286426807
Taking pride in being a tertiary isn't the best argument in the world, but you do you.
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>Remaster
>talking about tertiary
LMAOOOOOO.
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Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on this because I also think Gilgamesh being the Grand Archer would be lame as fuck and frankly, he shouldn't even be qualified for the class. I'm talking more of the character concept of Naked Gilgamesh not how he fits in the game's canon
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>>286426882
>why is Gil popular
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>Naked Gilgamesh
Nasu, HA.
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>>286426908
The greatest threat to the servants by way of killing their masters lmao
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Grand servants are the strongest of the heroic-spirit class. They are chosen because they are compatible with the beasts, but they are explicitly stated to be the strongest many, many times.
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Master, I created the thread on 4chan but due to my inexperience, I put the subject in the name area
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I don't mind Gilgamesh being a Grand I fucking hate "Grand Archer Gilgamesh" specifically even more so considering he's the only other Grand Archer we've seen after Orion. It's nothing but pure pandering to Gilfags and for them to pick another versions besides CCC to go "OH WELL LOOK HE'S THE STRONGEST!!!!!" I'd have accepted Grand Caster Gilgamesh before Grand Archer
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>Grand servants are the strongest of the heroic-spirit class.
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>Augustus
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I like that he makes people irrationally mad.
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Bro you got BTFO already lol it was only about the Servants of the 5th. Hilarious though that you say this considering your only argument against Berserkerlot was a mistranslation of one line from the Zero novel.
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>l it was only about the Servants of the 5th
Literal headcanon, stated nowhere
> your only argument against Berserkerlot
Stop hallucinating jetkek, I have never posted about that loser who has never killed a servant
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See >>286426982
Direct comparison to Herakles and Arthur right before that line.
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>Nobody remembers Shirou disarming Lancer in the first night
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One of my goals is to eventually build a proper merch shrine for Gilgamesh with all my current figures and goods together.
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Lancer thought he was just gutting a fish, he actually was fighting archer. There's a difference, like, Lancer spends a huge chunk of his time interacting with Archer malding because Archer is really good and refuses to take pride in his skill.
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>ORT is the strongest being in Type Moon and lost all 3 times.
The only thing ORT has ever "lost" to is the Malla, a deific planetary consciousness that is the result of an entire potential pantheon becoming the world itself. And it was a victory by deceit.
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Meanwhile his adult self pre-FGO.
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I've always wondered why they chose that image for Rin.
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What did Jester mean by this? Is False Assassin no longer connected to Jester?
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>>286427247
He will
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>>286427248
So Musashi is the only one then.
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They stated it just for Musashi. Are you illiterate?
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Bazett...
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Servants need energy to exist, even if Zealot didn't realize it for some reason, she had been alive thanks to Jester.
With a mage Richard employed, Zealot changed her provider to Ayaka.
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none of them, every LB king is a fucking powerhouse in their own way.
Ivan is probably the weakest, and it would still be a miracle to take him down: Chaldea did it because he was betrayed by basically everyone else in the LB.
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What the fuck
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Watch the fucking stream again, retards.
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It's canon. Play the fucking game.
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Keep arguing who is the strongest. They are no match against the real deal.
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>Gilgamesh can solo Tiamat but Uruk will get destroyed
>It's stated in the singularity
It really isn't. At all.
The only thing that's stated is that he will be the last one standing in his vision. Zero mention of him having defeated Tiamat by himself.
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It's honestly impressive how much random grailwar-metagaming, Grail-mud, random powers and edginess Narita shoved into Mafia man & Alcides and the end result is still two of the most boring charisma voids as "villians".
My only joy when watching them is trying to think of Soprano's memes after the CIA said something about him being in waste management as his Mafia cover.
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Nowhere is that stated to be exclusive to the fifth. It only compares his legend to Arthur and Heracles, who are two of the most famous legends. Vlad was compared to Arthur and Heracles too in terms of fame in his territory. I sure as fuck assure you that Vlad was not in the 5th holy grail war.
You're desperate as hell, fake jetfag.
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No he just dies last.
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Please, tell it how it is.
>It's not stated to be exclusive to the fifth, in the piece of media where the fifth war is the only war that has been written.
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No. You're talking shit.
Ivan isn't the weakest lostbelt king. He is directly compared to a version of Zeus. So is Alter Ego Gilgamesh. Skadi is even weaker. Qin gained a grand vessel and lost to a handful of servants where the strongest individual was Mordred. LB Kings would get crushed by the FSF cast ganging on them at once. Except maybe Kukulkan
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>but muh remaster means Nasu hasn't changed
It hasn't changed actuslly because he was never the strongest Servant, fucking retard. That's why Saber Alter is called the strongest Servant in Heaven's Feel, she's not a proper Heroic Spirit.
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I'll repeat. Nowhere is it limited to the fifth war. It is comparing the FAME to two other extremely famous servants. Vlad gets the same comparison, because arthur and herk are benchmarks of fame.
>Yes, as long as he is in Romania, he has possibly the greatest fame of all—a match for Heracles in Greece, or King Arthur in Britain
He's not in the 5th war. Nor is the context the fifth war.
But again, you're an idiot arguing in bad faith and don't even believe your own words. You're aping some retard from decades ago, poorly. So last (you)
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>He is directly compared to a version of Zeus
His lightning is compared to Zeus but he can't spam it like Zeus does, plus Zeus has a million more authorities. Qin also just gave up and put himself in the Throne rather than fighting to the death so it's not like he went all out. Skadi should be the weakest though, Zeus and Kukulkan would mog the SF cast easily.
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The real final boss of the LBs is needing to genocide everyone.
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>It is comparing the FAME to two other extremely famous servants. Vlad gets the same comparison, because arthur and herk are benchmarks of fame.
Nice headcanon.
>Yes, as long as he is in Romania, he has possibly the greatest fame of all—a match for Heracles in Greece, or King Arthur in Britain
I didn't know the 5th War happened in Greece and Britaim that's some new info right there LOL.
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unironically, Archer Herc would be more fun since he would just kill mafia mobster and enjoy a few days of fighting thanks to his Independent Action before dying due to mana loss
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>a match for Heracles in Greece
Absolutely fucking not. Herc's catalyst was outright banned in Greece because of how broken he would be, no such thing happened for Vlad. While he does get a substantial boost in Romania, it's not on the level of Herc's. Nasu even makes a point of saying that Herc would get a significant boost all over Western Europe.
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No, he was compared to Zeus even before his lightning came out. I do agree with you though. This was only based on Caenis and Atalanta's estimates. They would be more familiar with PHH Zeus than LB Zeus. But PHH Zeus is still somewhere on the level of LB Zeus in raw firepower. Typhon stole PHH Zeus' thunder, and it was stated in the wings of tears event that this thunder was on the level of what they recorded from LB Zeus.
>Zeus and Kukulkan would mog the SF cast easily
Maybe, but I don't think so. Kukulkan especially needs her NP to deal with a handful of gugalanna legs or thereabouts. She doesn't have infinite mana either. She's miles stronger than any of them individually, but time and again, upsets have been pulled by greater numbers and teamwork.
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>That's in the novel?
Yes
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Wasn't God Herc but a vestige of Herc's spirit. The implication is that Herc's split off Divinity has remained in the world and is doing something in the background to counteract Alcides. Maybe that's why all of his NP's are getting nerfed.
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>>286426901
Which?
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>>286427856
Reading comprehension fail. It is talking about fame, not power-levels. Vlad in his territory is as famous as Heracles is in greece. It's comparing a localized fame boost to one widespread across a continent. It also doesn't mean they are equals. It means Vlad gets a huge jump in power from the boost. Enough where is a rival to Karna and Achilles. Ordinarily, Vlad is trash to them. It is not about him being equal in power. Just that he gets a lot stronger.
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>>286427807
I'm not sure if this is true, but apparently, Lord Logres, being the Super Saber, you know the face of the app, was originally planned to be the 10th anniversary Servant and U-Olga the NY Servant. And then they got swapped.
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>>286427892
there's a jetfag who is obsessed with gilgamesh. they were silent for weeks because gilgamesh wasn't relevant. now that he's back, they're up to shit on the threads again. tthen there are the other morons who keep replying to them.
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>>286427718
Skadi is a living goddess, she's at least above Qin Shi Huang who is just a man, if a giant metal man with an orbital bombardment system. She had expended a great deal of her power stopping Surtr which is why Chaldea managed to take her in a fight.
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>>286427965
I am reminded of being told "the opposite of love isn't hatred, it's apathy" because hatred is a strong emotion much like love. When you hate something you truly feel very strongly about said thing, much like this anon who is seething about Gil.
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>>286427972
Heracles isn't in greece and artoria isn't in britain. Neither of them are summoned. It's just saying vlad is as famous as them in his hometown. It has nothing to do with any on-going wars. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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>>286427867
>She doesn't have infinite mana either
She kinda does since the Malla's roots have spread across a large portion of the planet.
Her giant light form is a result of channeling all the power flowing through the leylines of a continent.
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So... he can't beat the strongest dragon
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>“Sigma... You’re determined to save a girl. This is your source of faith.”, she used his name directly to get the point across. "I am immature by nature, and on top of that, I’m sullied by the hellspawn’s ill will, so I cannot be your guide... but you found something worth believing in.”
>After those final words, she left the back alley.
>But the look on her face when she did remained marked in Sigma’s brain.
>The face she made to Sigma at the end was—
>A human smile of heartfelt joy. A smile she never had before.
These two are centuries ahead of Sieg and Jeanne in terms of writing.
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>>286428088
The Malla only exist within the confines of LB7 itself though, so that's a matter of territory. She doesn't get that in Chaldea or anywhere else. So is the hypothetical fight in Mictlan or in Snowfield?
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>>286428096
>Muramasa called this sexy
never change, Nasu
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>>286428137
The importance is that their fame is worth being compared whether they are summoned or not, because they're among the most famous servants. The paragraph you quoted comparing him to them, was of fame, not of summoning. It isn't restricted to the grail war.
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>>286428122
>Yeah i'm a shitter, but that's not an excuse to not save a little girl
I'm enjoying the irony of the assassin being the character with the least bullshit motives going on and the strongest moral alignment.
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>“If you can topple this wall... you’ll be accomplishing something we couldn’t. I’m rooting for you. When you do it, we’ll walk away from your life on a literal road of light.”
>"? What are you talking about?”
>“Huh?”
>The silhouette was puzzled at Sigma’s puzzled reaction.
>“We’re on a joint operation. When I overcome this wall you’re talking about, you come with me... There’s no logical reason for the shadows to walk away.”
>“... Is this your idea of a joke?”
“>"What part of it was funny?”
>Sigma was expressionless as always. The old captain’s silhouette returned.
>“Lad... Ain’t you forgetting we’re Watcher’s shadows, not yours?”
>“Oh...”, Sigma awkwardly averted his eyes for a moment. “Sorry, it completely escaped my mind.”
>Sigma expressed his honest feelings with a bitter smile, something very rare for him.
>“Turns out I grew pretty fond of your nagging.”
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>>286428498
Probably. Maybe something like "Autumn of Terror" as a mental attack inflicting panic or mistrust. Who knows?
Also in its hometown which is one of the most populous cities in the world, From Hell would be at its most outrageous, probably strong enough to challenge divine beasts and top class heroes. Or, if the author wants to go wild, acquire Beast-like traits and manifest as a false Satan.
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>>286428576
Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just referencing the story.
Kukulkan:
I get it now! I won't hide anything anymore! I shall show you my true form and save everyone!
Kukulkan:
But if I'm free to do as I please... I'd like to you to do that thing to me too...
Kukulkan:
Magical energy replenishment, I believe it's called? That convenient functional magical energy path that Servants have.
Kukulkan:
I'd like to unveil my trump card with a bang with that... Will you do it for me?
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Is there no one in control of writing Iranian Plateau Servants(Not counting the Hashashin)? Aren't the only ones Angra Mainyu(Fake), Darius and Arash? Two of which are FGO low-star release Servants? With Darius only making it probably because Iskander is popular.
There is still a bunch of people like Tamerlane and other heroes from old Persian/Zoroastrian myths.
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>>286427394
You're overestimating LB kings or underestimating FSF cast. Most LB Kings are chief god level deities or thereabouts. Which is high-end but not so much that a team of top-grade servants can't win. Gugalanna is just shy of Zeus and Typhon. Alcides stole its power and Alter Ego Gilgamesh seems stronger and was directly compared to Zeus. Add in all the rest and a lone LB King won't beat them at the same time.
It's a different story if the LBs have time to plan and work on their home base. For example, Arjuna being outside of India is getting slammed with a hard nerf.
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>>286428815
You're making shit up and I won't stand for it. Nasu loves letting his friends do crazy shit. It's the other authors who refuse to lay their hands upon "Nasu's characters" due to the reverence they hold for him.
As far as I know, the only thing Nasu's ever said "no don't do that" to is Urobuchi wanting to have one of the Twelve Xian for Caster in Fate/Zero, and he said "actually I don't like having east asian spirits seeking the western holy grail, also Xian are divine spirit class" so Urobuchi came up with Gilles instead.
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>"actually I don't like having east asian spirits seeking the western holy grail"
It's so funny reading this when FGO releases a new "literally who?" Japanese Servant every few months now. I know FGO's stuff isn't really grail related, but it is still funny how Fate used to be Japanese writers mostly writing for historical/mythical characters they had no real bias towards, but now we have shit like Redline and SamRem.
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>Jets has infinite mana
>gets killed by Gilles of all people
Uhhh...
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I know it's set in america but has anyone told fake assassin about this?
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>>286429006
>all these good showing
>can't beat Iskandar in the poll
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Yumes are eating so good with this show
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Japanese are notorious for not saying what is actually the case and being political with their language. I don't for a second want to actually imply what I kinda did without meaning to because I was in the wrong lexical mode for /a/ but Nasu generally wants to have the lore foundations sorted out first, and if he has it in mind he often wants to reveal it in a way he envisions. Once that first barrier is done yeah go nuts. FGO made this WAY easier.
I wish to point out that this is a writer who decided what the most powerful category of defence in the setting is while watching a mecha anime in 1984.
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>>286428021
because it wasnt established, as Indra's, Noah's, and Solomon's were confirmed. So yeah, as we know for a fact certain duels happened, you need to prove that the one stated an exception applies to the rest
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>>286429592
I forget he trampled over Lancelot like he ran over a deer. That was funny.
Still, they stated that some of the IH soldiers were stronger than Iskandar and yet they couldn't be fast enough to close the gap to attack Gil?
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>>286427554
WTF are you dumb fuck trying to prove? "We" defeated heavily nerfed ORT with a help of whole plethora servants, dino on steroids and literaly heart of ORT. We needed to cheat to defeat it.
Do tell how many servants was ever needed to fuck up Gil? Just one!. So fuck off with your retarded Gil fagging.
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>>286429683
>heavily nerfed ORT
So ORT lost.
You're making excuses. I'm talking about the end result. There are circumstances in damn near every fight in Fate. That's the whole fucking point. If you focus only on wins and losses, you'll completely miss what's important.
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>>286429603
>Divine Iskandar is going too far
No, that will never be the case because FGO exists.
>>286429676
>fast enough to close the gap to attack Gil?
Surely you're joking. Gil is going melee with Arthuria. What do you think someone else would be able to do?
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>>286429699
I forget to mention that, yeah. But he did use Gordius Wheel. And people say Lancelot was fast lmao >>286429676
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>>286429740
Yeah, Diarmuid was specifically fast enough to dodge but Lancelot wasn't kek. One correction though. The story is weird about this but Gordius Wheel is not the "noble phantasm." Via Expugnatio is, which is the true release. Vol 4 says it was incomparably more powerful than what stomped Lancelot. It's like the difference between Saber having Excalibur in hand and hitting shit, to her using Excaliblast. Technically, they're the NP, but the thing written in the mats and given focus is the true name release.
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>>286427962
Why are you lying? There was never a Grand Duel stream for any class. The only one was when they introduced Musashi, and that was to present the Grand Duel in general. There was no stream for Berserker or Archer; they just came out without any fanfare. The Noah and Indra streams focused on their events, not the Grand Duel itself.
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>>286429787
>You are moving goalposts.
You're the one moving goalposts, you fucking clown.
>>286426445
>For strongest servant Gil surely loses a lot.
Blub blub, strongest loses a lot
Fucking ORT is miles stronger and constantly loses. Nearly every strong thing in Fate loses. That's a stupid point to make. Whether one loses harder than another doesn't change the fact that they lose. It's too late to start pretending that context matters. Because if you did, you'd know that Gilgamesh's battles HAVE context to them.
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>>286429266
actual yume here, have you actually seen a few yume x richard arts that have been floating around?
The requirement to be a female yume selfinsert is pretty high nowaday. She have to be demi god or atleast stronger than the male lead herself lol.
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>>286429834
Lol what a retard. Your proof that Gil is strongest and still can lose is that ORT was defeated too? What a moron. Gil lost to fucking Liz, to teenager and many others, while ORT lost to literally himself.
So sad, that ater all those years and facts you still can live with Gil being a jobber.
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>>286429962
No. My proof is that wins and losses don't decide strength. They only decide who wins and loses, something that can be a result of various factors outside strength.
You're too much of a turbo retarded to understand, evidently.
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>>286430013
What a load of crap. You can spin things however you like and turn your eyes away from a facts.
ORT losing (and later still reviving) to someone that needed to sacrifice whole planet population and later to himself (while still mega nerefed) is big difference then being defeted to teeneager and many other servants. He literally refuses to fight space Ishtar, knowing only Saber can defeat her. He sure act as the STRONGEST!.
Fucking retard you are.
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>Yume inserts used to be the bland one that's somehow super special
I will assume you are thinking of Yume in a sense of otome Yume, because that's when the trend started but in reality the trope started in shoujo manga. Where the predominant writing motif is to empathize with the feMC not become her.
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Meant VN.
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>>286430190
And? Gil also nerfs himself. Why can't he use that excuse?
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>>286424848
How exactly did Alcides struggle? How exactly do you one hit KO Aclides. Did he not just face tank like 400 demon lasers? Didn't even lose an arm or anything.
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>>286425359
>pushed the greatest Greek Hero
No, he pushed a fraction of the greatest Greek hero, twisted by rage, into using his strongest NP. Alcides is but a shadow of Heracles and the narration makes it painfully clear this is the case. Alcides is a name without the larger legend behind it.
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>>286430139
>TL: I'm too stupid to understand basic principles
Yeah we get it
>ORT losing (and later still reviving) to someone
So it lost.
Also, not the planet population. Just one specific civilization totaling 100 million. So that's another lie. Also irrelevant because my point, again, is that the strongest can lose many times for whatever reason.
You keep coping but there is literally no way around this. There are many more examples than Gilgamesh and their positions are not made illegitimate because of their losses. You're just too stupid to separate your bias from the facts.
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>full power
Gilgamesh only lost because he wasn't serious, as per Nasu. Using Ea doesn't make him serious either. Nasu's mind is Gilgamesh fighting without any reservation and using whatever he can to exploit weaknesses. Any Gilgamesh that isn't using SNI is nerfed. Explicitly, if Gilgamesh was going all out, Saber, even with Avalon, could not rival him.
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>>286430379
And yet every major thing he accomplishes is stated to be something that the full Heracles could pull off. Themud-powered hydra arrow immediately comes to mind.
Face it, Alcides is merely a piece of Herc and it's missing that heroic X factor that really makes him shine. Powerlevelfaggotry and having a bunch of NPs plays second to the narrative power of Being The Guy. In a series where characters are stories and tropes come to life and their capability in influenced by the narrative role of their legends, being capital H Heracles matters more than having a bunch of things.
What the LN states is that Alcides is missing crucial pieces of himself, including the heroic disposition that makes him the greatest hero.
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>>286430348
>Yeah we get it
Making shit up just so justify Gil being a jobber and crying because people call you on it. Yeah, proper retard behaviour.
>my point, again, is that the strongest can lose many times for whatever reason.
This is Oxford dictionary explanation on strongest:
Adjective
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intensity: most intense or powerful in effect
This is the strongest argument I've heard.
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power: having the most influence or control
ORT covers all of this. He has strongest atacks and defences - reason why we needed so many servants and special cheats to win.
GIL DOES NOT. Got fucked by Excalibour, couldn't reach Saber with EA tthrough Avalon and even couldn't be on par with teenagers swordplay.
Strange you failed to address his cowardice to fight space Ishar.
But pls, do go on, make some more abstract excuses why Gil loses so much and can stil be STRONGEST.
Retard.
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>>286430469
>And yet every major thing he accomplishes is stated to be something that the full Heracles could pull off. The mud-powered hydra arrow immediately comes to mind.
No actually. They state this only one time. This is how I know that you haven't read the novels. Ishtar is the only one who states that what Alcides accomplished with grail mud and Bazdilot's mana crystals, could have been done by Archer Herc without those things.
> Alcides is merely a piece of Herc
Not according to the story. The story tells us Alcides has every bit of what made Heracles a hero. His tenacity and martial arts. Alcides isn't even missing his heroic trait because he acknowledges that he is playing a villain who should be exterminated. In fact, the real heracles appears in his mind to tell him that he will never be able to get rid of something related to Herc.
You're trying really hard to make Alcides weaker but the story never supports it. everyone who talks about alcides reinforces that he is every bit heracles is and more. especially herc's biggest fangirl.
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>>286430431
So many secondaries. He literally says he needs to go serious. Make shit up more pls.
>Explicitly, if Gilgamesh was going all out, Saber, even with Avalon, could not rival him.
More making shit up. Where do you guys live? In delulu town?
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>>286430600
My apologies. I didn't realize I was dealing with someone so supremely autistic. To the extent of pulling an oxford dictionary that doesn't even include a topic of wins and losses, which was the whole point to begin with.
I'll leave you alone now and leave with one sound advice: touch grass.
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>>286430641
Nope. He said he would not hold back with Ea. Using Ea doesn't mean Gilgamesh is serious. According to Nasu, he was not.
Though he lost due to obsession against Saber…
Though he lost due to pride against Shirou…
Though he lost due to carelessness against XXXXX…
…the fact of the matter is that if he actually gets serious, he is a Servant that cannot be rivaled.
Gilgamesh using clairvoyance would have seen through the avalon tactic before it even happened and exploited weaknesses. here he was just fighting power on power.
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>>286427919
I don't know why you people are like this. Himusing Nine Lives, his martial arts, passively to combat a hail of Noble Phantasmsis not "making him a shitter." He was fighting against an array of GoB hailfire that nearly no one else has had to contend with before, and he came out of it unscathed.
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>>286430641
>The Archer class Servant of the Fourth Holy Grail War. Though he was summoned by Tohsaka Tokiomi, he ended up deserting his master and re-contracting with Kotomine Kirei. He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
In the boy-meets-girl story of the original Fate/stay night he was forced to yield to the universal law of "love conquers all", but in Fate/Zero he's free to show off his overwhelming, cheat-like strength without restraint. He could have ended the war in a single night if he truly desired to do so. But then, careless pride is the king's prerogative, and getting serious over something as frivolous as a wish-granter would be unbecoming. So, taking that into account, it sort of balances out the huge disparity in firepower… I guess?
Keep coping though.
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>>286430718
He says, with all his power. Read fucking VN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72tD9v8kdI&t=135s
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>>286430631
>could have been done by Archer Herc without those things
Which is a pretty big deal.
>His tenacity and martial arts
Except that isn't the sum total of Heracles as a hero. His noble disposition, his care for the weak, his regrets, and his pride are all a part of him as a hero. It's why Hippo is so disappointed in him. Yes, there are vestiges of himself still there that he can't remove, but playing the villain is unbecoming of him and he knows this.
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Fucking autocorrect. Gil, not Gin
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