>>288567682 I understand that Kuroki's vase flashback was supposed to show us his extreme reaction time and make us go wow, but why train in such a way, if you can already anticipate bullets then what's even the point of vases, and doesn't anyone fear that Ohma may just misplace his head a bit and get permanent brain damage?
>>288567762 im gonna be honest, i know we all hate the fucking niko style but i find the the whole kure tradition bullshit way more off putting and annoying
>>288567984 >>288567991 >>288568134 If Purgatory didn't have rules against attacking downed opponents, this sequence would probably be Ohma's loss right then and there.
The fact that Sandro thinks fucking Rolon is a character interesting enough to be the big fight of purgatory over a vastly much more conceptually interesting character like Fei tells you everything you need to know about this garbage manga.
>>288568046 >>288568073 Honestly, that could have all been avoided with a better recruitment pitch. Why'd the Worm make the guy with zero charisma their recruiter?
>>288568178 >Rolon's smiling >That goes to show how strong Tokita is WOW, THANKS FOR THE HINT, SANDRO! I WOULD HAVE NEVER FIGURED OUT WHY HE WAS SMILING JUST FROM HIS WORDS AND THE CONTEXT WERE IT NOT FOR THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY PANEL THAT TOTALLY ISN'T JUST PAGE FILLER!
>>288567987 Also he's not literally Kuroki yet, those vases are much smaller. >>288568006 >>288568356 There was, but it must've been fixed in the volume releases. Someone has the original I'm sure.
>>288568033 >>288568752 >>288568785 Are we sure that it's simply not that rifles are an even bigger hex than knives? Have there been any gun victories in Kengan?
>Yumigahama learns weapon styles and techniques just so he can adapts and uses them in barehanded combat with time and effort >"BOOOOOHOOO HOW DARES HE?! HE'S SO SCUMMY, LOOK AT HOW EVERYONE HATES HIM FOR BEING SUCH A FILTHY THIEF" >Kure clan copy-anything technique >"WOW ISN'T THE KURE CLAN SO COOL? LOOK AT HOW OHMA INSTANTLY COPIES STUFF! ISN'T OHMA GREAT??? BTW I HOPE YOU RIKE RAIAN" Fuck you Sandro you fucking hack
>>288568107 I wonder, if Sandro hand just turned Kengan into the GI Joe/Street Fighter series he obviously wanted instead of continuing with the business world underground tournament theme would he have been able to keep things at a higher quality
>>288568631 Frustrating that Fei exited the story before we got any of this from him. Canon Fei just freaks out for one fight and dies. I wonder if he's gonna get the Meguro treatment and show up frequently in these extras hundreds of chapters after his death.
>>288568552 the reason he moved from south east asia to make it as a fighter overseas was actually just cuz his stomach could not handle filipino food and the splatter effect is subtle visual storytelling about it
>>288568153 This was the page. By this point everyone hated Ohma, regardless of how they felt during Chapter 50. Fucking ridiculous, what do you mean you can just teach someone how to replicate the moves of their opponent on the fly?
>>288567888 >you are nothing like fei, who is implied could give me a hard time with purely tai chi, which is not even a combat based martial art, and which is not even his main martial art, he also never even used his super saiyan 2 mode against me but he's a bitch and dead so nobody can prove me wrong
>>288568268 Thanks OP, here are the ratings for Wakatsuki vs Fei. This was the most divisive match of them all I'm pretty sure. The ranking now is: 1. Nitoku vs Liu 2. Gaoh vs Naidan 3. Akoya vs Nicolas 4. Lihito vs Falcon 5. Masaki vs Arashiyama 6. Julius vs Toa 7. Wakatsuki vs Fei 8. Carlos vs Gaolang 9. Raian vs Alan 10. Okubo vs Terashi 11. Agito vs Lu Tian 12. Misasa vs Yumigahama
>>288567720 >Ohma at the start of Ashura >Would have absolutely fucked Kaede if she asked >Ohma in Omega >Asexual "Character" development have made "us" weak.
some of us have a bias because of our prior knowledge of this manga, so we always judge it by what's going to happen later on but Ohma vs Lolong is an exceptionally mediocre fight, and that's me being generous it's not even good rage bait like Fei vs Waka, at least that one left us all with a deep feeling of dissatisfaction
>>288567861 This HAS to be in the running for top 3 worst pages in all of Kengan. By itself it's not too offensive, but the consequences of its impact has been disastrous.
>>288568153 I HATE THE KURE STYLE! But seriously if we're talking about any given technique in isolation this might be the worst one. "Just do the same thing lol". And it gets worse in the context of Yumi getting an incredible amount of shit for copying techniques
>>288568983 Koga actually just has no reason to be reacting like this, huh? Even a quiet "so this is where he's at..." would've been better. Go look for Ryuki, you fuck.
>>288568268 Thanks OP. You know how people say they're falling in love with someone/something all over again? I'm having the opposite of that with omega right now.
>>288568211 its not as severe here, and many anons have already mentioned it before, but i absolutely hate how kazzy had such a glow up early in the series, only to be turned into this gape mouthing blabbering retard for no reason at all
>>288569413 As someone who agrees with you about some nice choreography there, it's because this is the pinpoint moment where the Worm ceases to be taken seriously for the remainder of the narrative. It's also a catastrophic one-two punch for the villains after Yumi vs Misasa. Raian's fight is at least short and Okubo's doesn't have a wider impact unless you're an Okubo fan.
>>288568170 ...that's not what was said earlier. In fact, you had a chapter *specifically* to say that Ohma could, in fact, use the Advance without any issues.
>>288569153 I still don't get how Gaoh vs Naidan is so highly rated. It's mysterybox, vagueposting shit on top of the fight itself just being Naidan ragdolling Gaoh until he abruptly kills himself.
this fight fucking sucks man it should be the premier fight of the tourney but its just two unlikable douchebags sucking each other off while performing really boring techniques (rotating elbows? really?)
>>288568153 I know everyone's rightfully talking about Copy, but > At least he'll entertain me more than those worms is such a psychopathic thing to hear Lolong say lmao. Sandro should have followed through with him being crazy
>>288570336 It's a very weird moment. Fei was ragdolling a fighter with a 100kg weight difference on him while playing with him. Nothing Rolon has done so far puts him in the same league as Fei. The page doesn't read like Rolon simply downplaying Fei, rather word of god from the author powerscaling his characters to let you know Fei wasn't the top dog and that he looked too impressive by accident.
It's funny, even with how ridiculous the constant hyping of Lolong was he still ends up feeling like the underdog in this fight because Ohma has two schools of infinite bullshit he can pull out of his ass.
>>288570703 It's really funny how sandro looked at a character with a bullshit magical martial art and decided what he needed was ANOTHER bullshit magical martial art. Even though Fei shows that you can apparently evolve the niko style way further than Ohma did
This has been the first set of chapters in a while where I couldn't think of an edit, things were simultaneously too normal and too retarded. I was going to edit the page with Toa vs Lolong to end with Toa smashing Lolong into the ground and say actually yeah being twice your opponents size does matter. "Raise a mighty cry" would have been ideal to use but I didn't want to spoil anything for green readers.
>>288567888 >Lolong talking mad shit about a dead guy who was essentially going easy on him in all their fights Why does almost everything Lolong says or does just make him look like a big douche rather than a cool guy?
>>288568107 People are saying this shows Lolong knows knives nerf you but actually it means "I'm finishing you off instantly with the knife because you're too weak"
>>288570877 He uses some other ai but he does start using ai a lot. Also just other obvious mistakes that I don't think are even ai related like pic related (doesn't really spoil anything so I don't mind posting it)
>>288570665 >rather word of god from the author powerscaling his characters to let you know Fei wasn't the top dog and that he looked too impressive by accident. Given Sandrobitch's heavy-handed writing proclivities, this seems like the most plausible explanation for that retarded passage.
>>288570877 just check his twitter for a bit and he proudly shows it off, even bragging about how gens from it without much editing made it to the final page https://x.com/daromeon/status/1989539553913536734
>>288570664 Karura's mother. She's the one with her eyes closed all the time in Danberu. >>288570665 >It's a very weird moment. Fei was ragdolling a fighter with a 100kg weight difference on him while playing with him >Nothing Rolon has done so far puts him in the same league We saw Rolon just KO'd Toa who is even bigger than Julius who himself has 20kg on Waka.
>>288569056 Lolong is using his entire kit here, Ohma just now busted out his first Niko Technique and it landed after treating Lolong like a sparring partner for his newly founded Kure Techniques Ohma's sandbagging Lolong
>>288568043 Kure techniques were a let down and the Niko style was something that you got used to over time. Kure family techniques just feel lazy and uninspired
>>288569153 I thought the fight itself was very good, it's just the ending I agree with everyone else is retarded as shit. I like how utterly outclassed Waka was as a fighter with nothing but his inhuman stubborness keeping him in the match.
>>288570877 Daro the artist uses AI. People joke about Sandro the author using chatgpt to explain the writing, but I actually think that chatgpt might produce a more coherent/consistent story than what sandro puts out. >>288570829 I feel like the intent was to make him look like a stoic master who's seen it all, but in reality it just makes him look like a condescending asshole. Especially since he hasn't done anything to demonstrate that he can back up such a cocky know-it-all attitude.
>>288568268 >Ohma uses a basic niko style technique for the first time >Holy shit, what the fuck was that? Must have been his ultimate move This page does not inspire confidence in Lolong
>>288570877 I envy you since you never had to read the weekly awful chapter and the open twitter, with the first post you see being Daro talking about how better it is to use AI. >>288571547 I have this one
>>288571265 >>288571394 Fuck me, I forgot he's fluent in English. You think he comes on these threads to see us sperg out over his work? He could be one of us right now....
>>288571786 My headcanon is that Daro comes here, and sometimes he tells Sandro about what we say without explicitly saying from where it came from so Sandro thinks it's the feedback of Japanese readers
>>288571694 >I feel like the intent was to make him look like a stoic master who's seen it all, but in reality it just makes him look like a condescending asshole
He pretty much is >Bullies Yumi in a such a way that looks like he's only going that far because Yumi's so far below the totem pole no would tell him to stop >"You want us to stop the tournament because we might have been infiltrated by a terrorist cult? Uhh, shut the fuck up, I don't care. Hey ever thought that maybe you guys were infiltrated? Yea shut up, retard" >Beats on two half-dead guys despite having refused Liu's attempts to stop Naiden from committing suicide Lolongs just really unlikable, he has a sense of self-importance that starts to feel unearned the longer you think about what his team is even made up of and then start to remember there 3 guys on that team that could have bopped him a good one if they felt like it
>>288571838 I went to check and you're right, although it didn't get the fancy KURE STYLE: COPY text. Kind of surprising, of all the techniques to use COPY on, it's Fa Jin which I presume is just standard Chinese martial arts. I'm actually surprised that the Niko style doesn't have something like that built in considering it seems to have everything.
>>288567682 Wasnt the whole point of this training that you dont know when the other party is shooting? shouting "ready?" literally defeats the whole purpose
>>288571786 I noticed way back then when we started to shitpost about dancing and parties there was an extra volume with the characters dancing. I seen it happen with other memes too, too much of a coincidence.
>>288570084 Combat sports are some of the oldest sports there are. You don't need a ball, you don't need a special arena, no special gear, just some basic rules on occasion. Even the ancient Egyptians were doing shit like having two dudes punch each other for entertainment.
>>288568006 Hey uhhh Carlos buddy since you're mentioning it what is your plan for knocking out Toa if you ever have to fight him, you absolute pipsqueak?
>>288572457 This is such a silly way of calculating distance when it's still very much reliant on approximations and you'd have to be the perfect distance so that your finger matches the height.
It'd make far more sense for him to first work out that anything his finger covers is 13m away and then see if he's covered by the finger or not.
>>288572524 >anything his finger covers is 13m away and then see if he's covered by the finger or not. 13+ mts you mean, with that method you basically can only tell whether something is more or less than 13 mts away from you and no more
>>288572606 Yep, that's why it's so silly. Of course, it's there to show the analytical side of Kira, but you just know Araki read/saw such a method somewhere and thought it'd be really cool to include.
>>288572517 >>288572572 I guess it's technically a reasonable philosophy if a bit generic, the issue is that it has nothing to do with the person being used as an example since by all accounts Fei's mastered his version of the Niko style and his divine demon super form. On top of that, it just seems like an asshole thing to say about someone who literally just died not ten minutes ago and was your coworker. Like there was no reason to randomly bring up Fei just to shit on him. Don't think there's anything special about the page itself, it's Just Fei in his Divine Demon and Ohma and Lolong's feet and face.
>>288572369 You see in Kengan it made sense that guys like Waka and Julius never fought until KAT do to CEOs wanting to avoid two very important chess pieces from breaking each other, or simply because their CEO's aren't bothered enough to have a match In Purgatory where it's just a normal Fight Promotion that operates Underground Carlos and Toa would have had to have fought at some point but Carlos is suppose to be the Kuroki of Boxing and Toa is a giant clown
>>288571265 I know hearing "AI" makes a lot of people sperg out on sight, but AI genning images (or in this faggot's case, an entire manga) is pretty shameless. While I appreciate Daro's openness saying he would let AI do the whole manga if he could, it begs the question of why shouldn't I just AI gen my own Kengan at that point.
>>288573353 >it begs the question of why shouldn't I just AI gen my own Kengan at that point A rewrite of Kengan Omega pre-ch50 without the wormshit and better written KvP matchups would be interesting enough for me to give it a shot. There's a lot of missed potential.
>>288567871 Is this the definitive turning point where any semblance of being about martial arts is gone and the characters just become meta wizards casting hexes at each other?
>AI will get to a point where you can feed it a kuso manga, start from right before it all went to shit (extremely easy in Kengan's case), and just reimagine the series from that point w/o the awful shit. It wouldn't even be difficult. Cap Omega at a 200-250 chapter series max, no "winner absorbs the loser" retarded hook for KVP just a genuine battle between two giants. Take another volume before KVP to really get you convinced Koga is worthy to represent them, spend a few rounds of him having imposter syndrome feeling like he shouldn't be there, pep talk him up and give him a high diff win vs. a low tier Purg (Terashi or Falcon) and make him feel like he's made the first step. The only Worm should be Eddy himself You could even still have a ring-death for either side, vs Raian of course make Naidan, Lu Tian, and Fei into real actualized characters without retarded self-destruct plots and fag shit. Add a scene where Koga fully understands Ohma is dead but wants to impress Kazzy like that guy used to, etc, keep emotional beats early Omega had. From there do whatever you want, set up a proper Koga vs. Ryuki don't bring back Tiger Niko but maybe give a proper reliable narrator's account of the fight between the Nikos. There's so much you could do and we got handed the worst possible outcome every time.
>>288567871 funny enough this is why I liked (elements of) Fei vs. Waka. It was refreshing to have an asshole in the ring, Fei's remarks were always more "dude just give up" or internally "this guy's an RPG boss with a bloated HP bar...", he wasn't going "SO THIS IS WHY THEY CALL YOU THE WILD TIGER" every time Waka endured a KO blow.
>>288572964 I think it's more "The Little Engine That Could" but instead "The Slutty Engine That Couldn't". The "I"s in the text are from the built in Brave Browser Google Chrome browser translator but were actually thing like ひとりで which is not necessarily a first person reference to self like the auto MTL did.
>>288568033 >>288568087 >>288568107 >>288568119 Knife count: 52 Knife users winning count: 5 I'm only counting this as one instance of a knife users winning as it's only one exchange, like with Ohma and the 3 jobbers in chapter 155 of Asura. But I want to note that if I did count these as separate instances, Rolon would have singlehandedly almost doubled the knife users winning count.
>>288573319 Even with what we have now I would call this the second worst Ohma fight so far behind Ohma vs Setsuna. Ohma's 0% struggling or worried with anything Rolon is doing even when he's being pressured into bad spots. When Rolon finally nails him and knocks him down he just gets up with nondescript damage sustained.
>>288567917 >MUH SPINNY SHOULDERS Sandro really dug into the bottom of the barrel for this shitty fucking gimmick. I can't think of anything more lame to give to the final boss of Purgatory.
>>288569094 This was when even the biggest Ohma fanboys FINALLY realized that him coming back was a mistake. He doesn't have any real personal motivations driving him like it did in Asura. And of course he's all LE STOIC FAEC in terms of personality.
>>288569503 Yumi took the time to train and learn things step by step, like an asshole, instead of magically knowing how to do something by just watching it once. That's why he's a bad person.
>>288567888 Even before Fei used Divine Demon he was already clowning on Waka who beat the shit out of Ohma and only lost to Demonsbane (which Ohma doesn't even bother to use this fight lmao). Base Fei would destroy Rolon
>>288572797 This was one of the earlier AIslop trends several years ago like the anime girl eating ramen with bare hands. Just a concept so ridiculous when AI was still a novelty so JPs were genning quite a bit of booba train girls
>>288575472 I am certain, sure, strong about the fact "it" started during Berserker Bowl By that I mean, him using it on Omega. I am not aware of his experiences with it before that.
>>288570906 Why? The whole point of Fei is that he WASN'T your retard stat stick. He was also the most skilled user of Niko style that's fought yet. He pushed Waka to the brink using that alone. It's unlike that one trick pony idiot Toa.
>>288576038 Now that I think about it, it's quite funny how pretty much every fighter is a complete celibate except for Nezu. Barely any relations to anyone.
>>288576050 Like half of their top guys had been purposely nerfing themselves. The real ranking probably goes something like 1. Fei using his actual style 2. Post-throooow clarity Jurota 3. Lu Tian using his actual style 4. Middleweight Carlos with 20 more hours of capoeira practice 5. Lolong
>>288569233 I think it's supposed to be like Adam's (and Karo's) "Core-strength" punches Although he might have a larger range of motion in his shoulders for generating force
>>288576340 Lolong could have taken them. Nicholas can't dodge the invisible and Lolong can also use the power of the forest, that's how he survived the knife hex in the flashback.