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I did an evaluation of how many hinge dates ive been on since September. Out of ~80 matches, i got maybe 25 to agree to meet, 19 of them actually followed through and met, 7 resulted in additional dates, and only 1 truly progressed to "seeing" eachother for a span of like 2 months but never officially were a couple.
If thats your metric for success then I could imagine that seems pretty grim.

Fwiw though im also looking for a legit connection, someone i would eventually want to marry. If I had been looking for casual relationships/hookups then im sure i couldve made at least a third of those dates more "successful"

>>34271127
any euro anons, how do I get a gf in poland. what apps are popular

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If you don't care, you'll miss opportunity moments and potentially good matches
If you do care, you'll scare them off even before you open your mouth
If you care a little you won't be your best self
This game sucks

I could care less for romance and sex, I just want good girl friends that don't fucking avoid me when they misunderstand I might like them, I could care less about then romantically or sexually like to give hugs... And for obvious reasons not to men, since they are more uncomfortable or easy to call gay

my goal has been to get my ex to block me on every platform. is this a good idea? I know she'll never be into me again and we'd never cross paths, so I don't mind looking bad towards her because who cares what she thinks?

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>>34271127
Any tips on photos I should use for Tinder? Like poses, places, what I'm doing in them etc? I want to change them up but getting photos with friends isn't something my friends group does, so they'd be mostly alone I guess.

>inb4 noooo dont use tinder it sucks
I actually do pretty alright on it but I want to improve my photos a little.

>>34271475
Very flawed assertion, anon

>>34271433
This but for Serbia, help really appreciated

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>good at small talk
>tall and fit
>deep voice that I get complimented on any time I meet a new group of people
>give off "big brother" vibes
>men and women both say im funny and easy to talk to
>give off the impression that I have "hoes" somehow
>zero actual success in securing dates or even casual flings
>the one gf I had years ago was genuinely convinced I was lying when I told her she was my first everything
Is this an uncommon experience? I've poured over past texts and replayed conversations in my head and I can't find the FLAW that's warding off these women. I feel like I'm at my wit's end here. Anyone in a similar boat that can offer some advice?

>>34272506
>give off "big brother" vibes
if you've gotten this comment enough times that even you use it to describe yourself then that means it's something you need to change when trying to secure a romantic partner, women don't want to fuck their brothers. Otherwise you sound fine, just maybe find a way to turn down the brotherly vibes.

>>34272522
I guess my issue is that I don't really know how to turn that off. I only have one sibling and she's older than me by a few years. I don't know what an older brother acts like or how I'm emulating one.

>>34272526
It's hard to say, there are a bunch of ways to be brotherly, and we ofc don't know anything about you, but based on what you typed I'm going to guess that you tease, or joke around in a way that feel like how an attentive brother would typically interact with their siblings. You're giving too much of yourself away, a lot of attraction, at least initially, revolves around people trying to fill in the blanks on people.

The best way to handle a woman acting bitchy with you that you love is to just be neutral with her okay. Going with anger and trying to make her happy ain't gonna go nowhere, but being neutral usually wins, okay?

>>34271475
Somehow despite people getting in relationships every day you think every level of investment is negative. Maybe you need to rethink?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lr91enp9po
Just talk to her what’s the worst that can happ. ACKKKKKKK
So how are white males supposed to find love?

>>34272843
>news station is reality

>>34271838
1. A picture of you involved in one of your hobbies
2. A picture of you with a pet or other small animal
3. Picture of you in a suit at a wedding or some other formal type event
4. Full body picture that suggests you’re in really good shape without being annoying about it

>>34273241
How can a white man like myself meet legal aged white girls that don’t have body counts ? Whenever I goto amusement arcades I never see single women there.

>>34273260
Pretty good list, thank you.

>Full body picture that suggests you’re in really good shape without being annoying about it
I'm currently working on getting in shape, I'm kind of in that skinnyfat area but slightly worse.

>>34271127
Thats the neat part, you don’t

Went out with a woman for boba earlier this week. She ordered first, I was gonna let her pay, then she said, "How about we order together?" With her card in her hand. I say sure. I order my tea as well and then she says, "How about we Venmo each other later?" I say sure. I pay for the drinks and that was that. The date was okay.

She later texted me that it was nice meeting me and asked if she should Venmo. I replied with, "Nice meeting you too, I've got to try your cooking." No reply. I texted her again the next day saying that she can Venmo me. She does. A few days later I ask her when our next date is. At this point I don't actually care but like to push buttons.

Her reply was basically, "I don't think we have much in common. Also, I or any of my friends wouldn't give a guy who doesn't pay for the first date a second date." I just replied "Equality". This woman was in her early 30s, has her own company and definitely makes enough money.

I have absolutely no issue paying for first dates, but I hate being expected to. I've noticed that almost every recent date I've been on that I've paid for has never said thank you. Whether it was only $6 or $50. I've also noticed that the women that are already into you don't really care if I pay, they pay or we split. I've also had a woman who profusely thanked me for paying for our date $35 and told me she would get the next one. She ghosted.

>>34273823
>"Also, I or any of my friends wouldn't give a guy who doesn't pay for the first date a second date." I just replied "Equality".
Based.

>I have absolutely no issue paying for first dates, but I hate being expected to. I've noticed that almost every recent date I've been on that I've paid for has never said thank you.
A lot of dates I go on either want to split things or often offer to pay for it all, with my theory being that they don't want to feel like they owe you something. As for your case, that's just the boomer "the man should pay" mindset.

I asked my gf to suck my dick straight after we had made up from a little upset while her eyes and cheek were still red and puffy from crying

it fulfilled my fantasy of seeing a crying girl sucking my dick
It was so sexy seeing her start to feel better from having my cock in her mouth

>>34273823
It is really weird but not all women are like this thankfully. Its amusing to overanalyze and judge the ones who act like this though

>>34273823
If you keep getting ghosted, then you're definitely the problem. Have you thought about not acting like a cringelord faggot?

>>34273951
When did I say I keep getting ghosted? The only thing that I said that was repetitive was that they don't say thank you. Why would I want to keep paying for first dates when the majority can't even say thanks? If these women are ghosting about me for not paying for their $6 matcha, that isn't a me issue.

It's funny how women will sit and say that if a man doesn't pay for the first date he is setting an example for the future is laughable. Bitch, why are you entitled for free shit? You want equality in this world but still expect me to drop money on you when we don't even know each other.

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>>34273823
good on you man. I know it's hard, and in the back of your mind you are thinking "oh but what if I had paid for it, " but We're collectively sick of paying for roasties food and getting literally zero in return.

I had a date with a turkish girl here in Portugal, paid for everything, picked her up and dropped her home. Went great, but led to nothing. 50€ down the drain. You can get an escort for that much here btw.
She was also a "feminist", but when it came down to paying she was holding her card behind me, but sheepishly waiting for me to pay, in a dissimulated way saying: " oh did you pay mine? thank you".

Fuck it

>>34272843
>>34273267
Anyone ?

How do you actually start talking to a woman?

>been in a mental rut for months
>been only deepening lately
>female shows interest in me
>instantly cured and life feels great
I hate that it works like this

>>34272506
I'm good looking and I think people around me have assumes a lot about my love/sex life for a long time...

>Anyone in a similar boat that can offer some advice?
can't. I'm retarded.

>>34273823
sounds like you were being taken advantage of or something, tbqh

>>34273874
>I asked my gf
you don't belong here, retard

>>34274847
talk random shit. I have trouble with what comes next, though

Has anyone here actually gone from socially awkward to being able to strike up and hold convo with almost anyone? I feel like my challenges are self-esteem, not caring for small talk, not knowing what to actually talk about, and general fear I guess.

hi, can i have a woman?
I like ones who are kind

What do I do if I'm not interested in getting a woman?

>>34275333
Yes, and it wasn't something I really figured out until I was in my mid 20s. Here are my biggest tips for you:
- People actually want to be talked to in most settings. Unless it's like the gym or public transit, people even expect that strangers will talk to them in a place like a bar.
- Talk to everyone. It's going to be super uncomfortable and feel performative at first, but this is how you practice. Make small talk with the next cashier or server you interact with. If you go to a party, make a point to introduce yourself to everyone.
- Find common ground as quickly as possible with strangers. People love being related to. Ask people about their favorite movies, music, hobbies, whatever and if you have one in common talk about that with them.
- Always look happy to see someone you've already met. Smile when you see them and say hi. This goes a long way with building relationships.

>>34275477
So mainly you just made it a priority to talk to everyone you see? (Except in some specific scenarios) Just a Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening and Small talk topics?

- What if its someone you see on a regular basis like the cashier.
- Don't you struggle remembering names or things about people if you introduce yourself to everyone?
- How'd this affect your ability to get women? I guess initial part isn't too different, just needing to learn to escalate and show interest.

Thinking about it.. I guess fear does play a bigger part for me. Concerned of looking weird and if its someone I see frequently, being someone they don't enjoy talking to..

>>34275477
If you give your attention to everyone then it becomes worthless

>>34275333
I went with the general assumption that people love talking about themselves and what they're up to in their lives, so just keep asking questions and being interested and they'll keep talking. You won't even have to say much, just listening is enough.

>>34274149
so are you getting ghosted or not?

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Reminder for everyone here, not to let arrogant behavior get to you okay? The real rich man is the one who came home to get a hug from his mom, not the one who had it all.

How do I unconservative myself?

In regards to relationships. Not in the sense of "I want kids", but "I only want a lifelong partner". I would never want to pass on my DNA.

Even when a girl literally ASKS me out, I always chicken shit out because I'm like "it won't work because y and z and we will break up eventually". But I just drank tonight, at a bar that had only men and I'm still drunk right now and I'm going "DAMN ITD BE FUN TO HAVE A GIRLFRIEND I SHOULDVE GONE TO A BAR WHERE ALL THE GIRLS GO". How do I make myself want relationships even if I can predict it might end in a breakup?

>>34274537
the only girl i went out with didnt even thank me for the cappuccino i offered her

>>34274943
wrong. I belong here because I'm giving motivation to you incels lol
have sex, incel!

Let me tell you all something? This practical guy your crush likes, is a fucking loser in reality. All he does is jerk off to how great of a person he is, and when the time comes to him to be loving he's a piece of shit at it. Just remember you were the real one. And this girl who liked him? She's just neurotic about everything. You dodged a bullet okay. Now go chase after some real people instead of bullshit people who only care about status.

Well, I fucked aeound and found out boys
>get cute tomboy fwb a few months ago
>she has iud, we got tested all clean having unprotected sex, shit is good
>agree to let each other know if we see other people for safety reasons, figure if she likes me enough shell push for more
>goes on for a while, nothing comes up
>get a little too attached because we fuck ~2 times a week despite obvious values mismatch
>go to her house today to smash and go for a hike tomorrow
>after dinner tells me she hooked up with some dude last week, unprotected, despite iud needing replacement soon, because she was super drunk for valentines day
>sitting on her sofa and i mentally bluescreen
>basically tell her that im not down to keep going and leave
>cant fake it anymore, visibly hurt and upset
>few hours later sends me a text saying shes sorry i got upset, she doesnt normally do that stuff, says she wasnt smart, safe or thinking correct
>says shes if she doesnt see me again she had a great time getting to know me and wishes me the best
Fuck. Im just not cut out for this shit. I should just try and find a wife to start a family with and hope i dont get divorced, im handsome but my personality will never be chad. Do i just ignore her and move on?

Tldr i thought i could be fwbs with a cute girl and get her to fall for me, ended up being the one who fell more and got rekt when she started fucking another guy

>>34273823
She wanted you to turn her offer down
Most women today offer splitting the bill to save face but are actually expecting you pay anyways, and get offended if you don't
I don't wanna sound like some redpill alpha male podcaster, but women just wanna see you're a provider, that's just the way it has been since forever

>>34280936
It's okay to be disappointed, but also don't be mad at her if you are, it's really really good that she told you. If you want to keep the fling going just take a few days to process your emotions and let them go, truly let them go. You're both adults and discussed the terms of your relationship before doing anything and even got tested and used birth control which is better than 99% of other sexually active people.
Tell her if she wants to keep going that you both need to get tested again, keep in mind HIV/AIDS test need to be done every six months so you both might want to use condoms until you're fully in the clear, it's up to you. After you've got your head on straight just keep it pimpin, fuck, have fun, maybe reduce the visits to once a week or once every other week, but look for other women as well, women you can be serious with, it's always easier to find a girl when you've currently got one. You said it yourself, you have mismatched values, no reason to have a serious monogamous or exclusive relationship with the tomboy fwb when there are better matches out there.

If you can't get over it then move on, she didn't wrong you, you didn't lose. No reason or your confidence, ego, or trust to to take a ding. Nothing bad happened, it's literally the best case scenario, but it's alright to sit on it and process the shit.

>>34280936
Huh wow maybe putting sex before emotional fulfillment isnt a good way to try and cultivate a relationship after all

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I organize shelves in a supermarket, and there's a cashier there. She's short, white, has green eyes, and seems nice. I asked her if she wanted to go out with me, but she said she had a girlfriend.
I suspect that might be a lie and that she's not interested in me. It's easier and cheaper to pay a prostitute than to play this relationship game, but I don't want to pay a prostitute. And I've become unmotivated to try to win over women after that; I think I'll remain a virgin for a while longer.

Had an 18 yo hit on me at the bar Friday night. Turns out I'm not attracted to zoomer brain who would've thought

Is it over If she likes to tease me about my relationship with another woman?

She's my coworker and she likes to tease me about my (friendly) relationship with another coworker who's married with children. Saying things like "when are you getting married" and such.

On the other hand she :

>Yells "no" or "you stay here" when I talk about leaving the company in front of everyone else, several times.
>Glances at me very frequently when she walks by my office (even when my door is shut), looks away when I catch her staring, sometimes stares at the floor smiling when I walk by her office.
>Makes overly cute faces when she comes to my office to ask me questions.
>Among other things

I can't read her. I'm not that close to her, I don't even have her number or anything. Can you experts tell me

>>34281634
Ask her out for coffee

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Is there a way to find examples of sucessful tinder conversations that lead to a date/hookup?
I think having a catalogue of reference people can look back to would be very helpful for everyone

>inb4 anons have no examples

>>34281756
If I mess this up this is going to be very awkward since she's in the office right next to mine but I guess it's the only way to know for sure.

>>34281634
Sounds like she's just flirting with you. If you act like you're not interested she's going to think you're not interested. You should flirt back eventually it will become clear if she's just playing around or is waiting for you to ask her out.

>>34271127
Is it worth it at the end of the day?

>>34271127
>How to Get Women
the smart thing to do would first to become righteous
https://youtu.be/ZppGy-2dvN4?t=1043

What's the point of getting an immodest woman? a wicked woman? all your days will be an unending stream of annoyances

What are some signs that a girl has fucked a black guy

>>34281984
evaluate her level of openness
ask questions if she mentions an ex

>be in asia
>meet asian woman with amazing body
>says her ex bf was Muslim
>wtf?
>ask her if he was from Indonesia
>no, somewhere in Africa

I couldn't go through with it. I wanted to, but I imagined some "pozzed happenings" and was disgusted

>>34281984
when shes dating a guy whos really paranoid about black guys

>>34273874
lmao. Even if it is fake I find the image of woman using a dick as a pacifier funny.

>>34281984
A black baby is usually a pretty good indicator

>>34281984
Has a tendency to want realistic men.

>>34273823
>I don't think we have much in common.
I know it is supposed to be a 'soft' let down, but always find this sentiment weird.
Like outside of incompatible life plans, why would you want someone who has the exact same interests as you. Seems boring.

Does how much you use a dating app affect the algorithm?

>>34282213
I don't think so? Maybe just you faced a lit of rejections.

>>34282247
I was getting a bunch of matches, now I am not.

>>34282252
Who gives a fuck? Go talk to chicks at a local bar or club or some shit. You don't need a phone to give you fucking permission to have a girlfriend.

>>34271838
I get like 2 matches a day with Tinder Platinum. I think you just need to pay.
I exclusively have mirror selfies and a picture of my car.

>us, students preparing a lunch cooking date
>don't tell her my secret recipes as she asks and call her a mafia boss

>her
>Don't say it out loud or you'll get in trouble

>me
>Trouble is the one coming into your kitchen
Is this text too corny?

>>34281123
I'm not mad... or I'm trying not to be. I'm more just sad and dissappointed. I kinda of expected it might happen so it's my fault I gambled. My last fwb was so easy and while she was cool, I didn't get attached. Idk what happened this time, I guess we spent too much time together doing other things aside from fucking and I caught feelings. I don't think I can de-escalate and seperate myself from her emotionally so I might think about it more then just text her back and say
>thanks, take care

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1. how do i stop being dense as shit while drunk when a girl is apparently into me
2. where do i actually lead a conversation to if i think she's into me

like i've got girls their number (and social media, though i feel like they just want another follower) before by more or less introducing and immediately asking but i have no idea what to do for a regular bar conversation
several times i've been rambling drunk about train lines or something autistic and i leave her and either a friend has to tell me the next morning "yeah she was all over you" or i realize it myself and i just cringe and panic for an hour

>>34271433
Try yubo
For some reason many polish girls
Speaking as someone from NL who's friend found a polish girl from Poland on yubo and then she came to visit him and he went to visit her and they're together for a year or so at this point.

>>34282667
Drink less. Listen to her, ask questions, sprinkle in some of your anecdotes when they're gonna fit, your primary objective is to keep the conversation going and have a nice chat not to get into her pants

>>34281902
I ask myself this often. In truth, I don't know.
I wish I knew
But eventually, we will need to make money. And so trying is inevitable

Fui criado numa senpaiília grande tenho 5 irmãs e 3 irmãos sendo 1° e 2° irmãs, 3° e 4° irmãos, 5° e 6° irmãs 7° eu, 8° irmãos, o próximo irmã mas e de outro casamento de meu pai. Sou morador do Brasil e minha senpaiília e de origem cristã protestante o meu pai se casou com minha mãe quando ela tinha 4 filhos então depois com meu pais fez mais 4 o meu pai era líder de uma igreja e nós vivíamos parcialmente em senpaiília com 3° 4° 5° 6 ° e 8° meus irmãos mais velhos 3° e 4° vivam nas ruas e se davam bem com as mulheres o 3° tinha uma namorada loira de olho azul bem bonita aliás mesmo ele sendo um pouco feio Tendo aparência média o 4° também se relacionava bem com mulheres eles viviam na rua como "gangsters" mas em uma parte boa da cidade diria que eles sabiam entrar e sair de qualquer lugar e se davam bem com qualquer pessoa eles tinham 19 e 20 por essa época eu como criança tinha por volta de 10 anos não pensava muito sobre isso só como irmão mais novo admirava eles parcialmente por saberem se comunicar algo que eu era tão ruim com outras crianças e pessoas e pensava como eles conseguiam se dar bem com mulheres. Agora 5° e 6° eram garotas se portavam bem ajudavam regularmente na igreja mas tinham amizades que eram considerados divergentes a cultura cristã como pessoas que não ligam pra isso e cada vez mais se afastavam da senpaiília então conformem foram crescendo ganharam experiência nas ruas e começaram a fazer uso de entorpecentes e se relacionar com homens que tinham relação com status de bad boy ou gangster eu como criança não entendia o porque de minhas irmãs fazerem isso por mas que meu pai e minha mãe desaprovam esses atos ainda assim parece que não havia uma punição já que a medida que iam crescendo não adiantava corrigir batendo e elas se relacionavam com caras assim como bad boys então não entendia porque terem relações com caras maus e todas as minhas irmãs tiveram relações com esse tipo de cara

Reminder to you all not to let diva behavior get to you. Sometimes women get all elitist in their behavior acting very divaish about the men they around with. You can't let such shit get to you. What makes this hard is handling the low status, which most men freak out about, but you got to face it with humility grace and calming down. The diva may never be able to handle the low status, but you as a man it is your duty to handle that fucking low status, so be a man and handle it with grace. Otherwise, you're a part of the problem they face.

>>34271127
How to get a woman if
-32yo
-atrocious jawline, enough to produce a giant overjet
-only times I go outside is for :groceries, smash tournaments (no, I do shower and use perfume) and gym since I work at home
-kissless virgin, so no experience
-live in the countryside so everyone around me is a giganormiechad

>>34271475
I kind of have this with someone I'm with at the moment but I like to think it's more wholesome

>>34283467
by "this" i meant picrel lol

>>34271814
I think you just need to move on from her. The best kind of way to cut someone out is apathy. Start looking forward, there's so many more people out there, anon

>>34283459
You need to find answers on your own in life. Not everyone is gonna give them to you. There will be a ton and I mean a ton of times where it'll be like you are on a cliff with just one hand on the ledge. That is how you are gonna have to be to know this woman thing. You have to lift yourself out of this. Most people when you read you talk about that, are only afraid of you being depressed from not having a girlfriend, not helping you get one themselves. Knowing how to get a girlfriend is supposed to be done independentally as is a lot of other things. It is scary as shit and what is even scarier is this has to be done tenfold if you are autistic.

>>34271838
I'm guessing since you said you're doing alright you might know all this but... You at the gym should be the first one, but if you're not fit then you at a party or any social gathering. Another one is of you doing an activity, preferably an outdoor one, or you could also post a mood pic of you somewhere outdoors, it should be the kind of pic you see trending on Instagram. Really, the essence of these is that you should be surrounded by people and look like you're doing fun things in fun places. At the end of the day, you're advertising yourself. Just make sure all those moments are real, and you'll really be able to sell them. Oh, and for the love of God have more than 2 pictures in your profile, 3 is pushing it but okay, 4-5 is safe. More than 6 and it might be a little weird (they're here for a quick bio and refs, not a slideshow of your life). The questions most girls on Tinder are asking are "is he hot", "is he fun" and "is he my type". Hope that helps, if not you then someone else

>>34273704
Work on core more than anything, or just ask /fit/ (don't ask /fit/)

>>34273823
I'm serious. You may have autism

>>34274856
brain chemistry innit

>>34275551
NTA but thought to offer my 2 cents
>What if its someone you see on a regular basis like the cashier.
Follow up with them next time you see them. Small talk is small talk. Harmless, inoffensive and meant to be brief anyways so don't feel like you have to hang on to the convo because it's not a convo really
>Don't you struggle remembering names or things about people if you introduce yourself to everyone?
It comes down to practice but people can forgive blunders if you're cool about it and actually remember the person themselves (reference something about what you were talking about the last time you spoke), if not their name
>How'd this affect your ability to get women? I guess initial part isn't too different, just needing to learn to escalate and show interest.
It's great for striking up casual conversations, or at least giving you the confidence to do so. A lot of men don't approach women because they don't know the first thing they'd say to her. That changes when you just take the lead. It also helps with rejections, smooth recovery can lead to at least making an acquaintance. There's also the power of just enjoying a conversation as it plays out, so it doesn't feel like you wasted your time and you'll have the motivation to go out and try again
>I guess fear does play a bigger part for me. Concerned of looking weird and if its someone I see frequently, being someone they don't enjoy talking to..
It's THE main part, always is, but you'll only get over that fear if you try. If you fall down, try again, work the rough edges and learn from your mistakes. As long as boundaries are being respected, you'll find your way anon. I believe in you, brother

>>34277454
You're drunk at a bar with only men...
Let that sink in...

>>34280936
Have a friend who was in the same boat as you. You tested the waters and saw this wasn't for you. You realized you need to find someone else for keeps, that's all. But if you want to keep it with her going, then understand it for what it is

>>34282213
Depends on if you paid for the subscription

>>34283459
>-live in the countryside so everyone around me is a giganormiechad
move to a major city is the most valuable thing you can do for your social and dating life

>>34272506
how do you get gud at small talks

Where do you go to meet weird women who dont have piercings/tattoos/overly promiscuous? I'm trying to find and date a girl. I want experience.

>match with a girl on bumble
>she says she's only here for two weeks
>say theres this place I want to visit on friday and would like her to come
>she says "can we meet tonight"
What do? My brain tells me this is suspicious

>>34283807
she either wants to get fucked or harvest your organs

>>34283870
I'm too chopped for this

>>34283872
just go mate. You can meet at a bar for a couple drinks to vibecheck. If you do get killed at least you dont have to live a chopped life.
you got your own place? Invite her over to watch a movie, lower chance of getting harvested but higher chance of waking up being robbed. just hide the valuables.

>>34283807
Might be a hookup. Just meet her somewhere near your place, see if she's legit, and if all's good then offer drinks or going straight to your place.

>>34282213
Apparently yes. If you don't swipe your profile goes down and is seen less

How do you cold approach without being kicked out of establishments? Im still a dateless virgin at 31.

>>34272506
Same boat minus the tall part lol. I've gotten good enough at small talk to the point where I can hit it off and get their number/instagram but after that I'm a dud. I just don't know how to go about it without seeming like a freak so I never bother. It sucks because most of the time I do genuinely just want to go out and do shit with new friends

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I think I'm too autistic to flirt
I might be missing the gene completely
I can't get into it at all holy shit

>>34284098
then don't do it
proper flirting isn't really as showy as people think it is
it's the rare genuine complement, actually paying attention to the person you're interested in, doing the occasional nice thing for them, giving them your time
you don't need to do anything special if you're a decent person, this is why many autistic people still manage to get partners

>>34284174
I always come off as too serious
My main struggle is that I don't want just get chummy with people I don't know right off the bat, but my texting ends up giving off boring vibes and people lose motivation to even text back.
I'm only able to be myself with people who know me already, if I try being that with randoms they wouldn't get it, so I end up coming off as serious

>>34284098
I cringe at the thought of trying to sound like I mean something else when talking to someone, while I understand that being direct is a turn off I just can’t flirt the way it’s done on TV.

>>34283741
The 30s
And not the ones coming in four years

so far this year:
have met 14 girls and gotten laid exactly 0 times
2 girls went to second dates

5 dates during lunch so no possible escalation there
but the rest were at night

most girls just ghost me after the date

its because im short right
because im good looking enough to get dates
but then, nothing happens
i.e. i notice their physical proximity to me never closes
they stay neutral the whole way through
so no chance for any sort of escalation
and the dates become purely polite

whatever ill keep going at this pace

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A lot of you guys are gonna hate reading this but it bears repeating. Sometimes you have to fight to get with the woman you want, you have to prove your love, often times it will involve humiliating yourself, but that's what's it takes if you want to be with the woman of your dreams. Ask most married men how many times they had to ask their wives out before they finally agreed to a date and you'll be surprised to hear a lot of them say they had been bothering her for months, sometimes even years.
>b-but that's beta shit I'm le based alpha
Brock Lesnar broke into his wife's home in Florida after she dumped him just so she would be forced to talk to him, it worked and they got back together and they even planned on marrying, until she broke up with him again, and guess what he did? He chased after her, and now they're both married with two children living in their comfy ranch. That's the problem with most of you, you give up too easily and just wallow in your own self pity, like your dad once told you, you just need to man up, dust yourself off, and try again.

>>34286827
at this rate, you'll go nowhere
it's 0(zero) out of 14
stop making excuses, just rape, man

>>34286827
14 dates as of these past 2 months? That's more than 1 a week lol. Apps I suppose?
Yeah clearly you are attractive I only got like 6 first dates in all of 2025 but I got laid with 3 of them, 1 turned into a fwb for a couple months.
Are you trying to trick them with your profile? You should advertise who you are and what you're in for instead.
If you're just looking for short term fun dont act like you're searching for your wife. Dont ask girls that are clearly looking for a serious relationship on a date if you just want to hook up. Dont ask girls out if they dont actualyl seem interested during the chatting.
You said you're short, put your height in your profile mate. You're just wasting your time and money.
On the date part the girl isn't going to make a move. you're supposed to set the vibe start flirting and make a move.
>whatever ill keep going at this pace
yeah no, you're supposed to learn from your mistakes and fix them.

>>34285574
Are we doomed to never get pussy forever
How do we work around this

>>34286946
>Do all that just to end up in a sex once a year marriage because "It's just not exciting anymore"
I'd rather not

>>34272506
>Literally been described as having ''dad vibes''
>Literally am one now.
Be more intimately and sexually forward. That's just it. Nothing obscene, just indicate interest earlier. Ask deeper questions. Ask their friends if the two of you look cute together (it gets them in on it, and gets them to work for you if you're lucky). Touch them like it's the most normal thing in the world. Invite them to something fun. See how they respond. Escalate to the extent they're comfortable. See where it goes. Then you either cut your losses, or have great success.
And stop worrying. You only need to succeed once, and girls can smell neediness. You already have a lot going for you. Good luck, brother.

>>34287176
I don’t know but I can always sense a woman isn’t interested before I make a move but I still try and it’s cringe for both of us and I still get rejected. Also women lower their voices around, they sound deep instead of fem.

>>34286946
Avoidant attachment women give me the ick and I don't like bpd women at all though. I'll just date someone who wants me and doesnt play retarded games.

>>34287178
>>34287467
Enjoy being single

Anyone know how good are AIs at estimating a woman's interest in me from our chat history?
There is this girl I have been meeting every few months now through work. We have been both talking and texting a lot talking about personal stuff and I feel like she is keeping me in the area of more than just a friend but not an outright romantic interest. The uncertainty is mostly what is killing me.

>>34288302
Depends which LLM you use, but they're all prone to mistakes.

>>34287842
Yes, avoidant attachment women should enjoy being single.

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>she didnt respond in 24 hours
guess its over.
I refuse to text twice in a row.

I will never pay for a first date because of my culture + the cost of beauty treatments we do for men anyway, and I also will not go on a second date with a man if I felt uncomfortable with him or he wasn't interesting at all.

Does this actually make men mad? I just feel like they ought to have standards like this as well instead of getting mad at women for it.

>>34288374
If you present as trad and want a trad relationship and are forward about these values, then men can be expected to pay for the first date. Otherwise you make as much or more than him, why aren't you going dutch? This is the equality you wanted.

>>34288381
>not trad
>literally mentioned the financial imbalance between men and women in dating

>>34288384
What?

>>34282341
>Tinder Platinum
The price seems extremely steep, so I'm fine with the matches I get (typically 1 or 2 a week which is alright for my interests).

>>34283501
>any social gathering
Idk if it's just a me thing or what but it seems like all the friends I have aren't the picture types, everyone just lives in the moment I guess. Maybe it's because we're all guys and guys just don't do that.

>Another one is of you doing an activity, preferably an outdoor one
I have some hiking photos since I do mountain hiking but those photos have me looking really rough since I'm usually dirty and sweaty by the time I reach the top kek. Always selfies too since I'm always alone for it.

>Oh, and for the love of God have more than 2 pictures in your profile, 3 is pushing it but okay, 4-5 is safe
Yeah I have just 5. Two are at the tops of mountains, one is in fairly formal clothes, one is with friends (it's pretty old but I look about the same) and the last is working on a car (possibly unattractive? I know car guy stuff is a risk).

>>34283507
>or just ask /fit/ (don't ask /fit/)
Kek. But yeah I'll work more on core then, I've mostly been doing lifting and some legwork.

Where do I meet nerdy shy women?

>>34283470
You were "created by jeet"?

>>34288362
Wait 2 days and send another text. She doesn't respond, 3 strike rule says it's over

>>34286827
>its because im short right
are the women taller than you? i see short guys with shorter women so just putting it out there

>>34271475
this obsession with women is not based.
Live life like it matters; which is something women can never do.

Learn to have internal strength through life. If you have internal strength the stress of life will not get to you irregardless of what it is.

>>34288374
The guy invites, the guy pays, and nobody's entitled to second date. Sounds perfectly normal. Same reason I avoid dinner for date 1.

However, once I've invited a girl over for a coffee, paid for the drinks, and in return she bought us desserts at another place same night. Ghosted her after the second date since the chemistry wasn't there, but I really appreciate the gesture

>>34287030
based take

>>34287137
>That's more than 1 a week lol. Apps I suppose?
Yes there's been a couple 3 dates in one week
around 2 a week

>Dont ask girls that are clearly looking for a serious relationship on a date if you just want to hook up. Dont ask girls out if they dont actualyl seem interested during the chatting.
I'd say I'm going out with girls who look for something serious, which me too
so I don't escalate hard on the first date
i do try and tease and flirt but most not so responsive to that so i tone it down a bit

this is what makes no sense to me
If I talk to like 30 girls and 15 agree to a date are they not interested
their replies are fast and they agree to show up to the dates

>You said you're short, put your height in your profile mate. You're just wasting your time and money
ok so the reason i don't do this is because I have done that
and i've gotten 0 matches when I do that
so it's either 0 dates or tons of dates but perhaps high chance of dissapointing them
context I'm 165 or so, 170+ with shoes
most girls i go on dates with are in the 160cm range

>yeah no, you're supposed to learn from your mistakes and fix them.

perhaps my mistake is going on dates at all
but I kind of refuse to give up

>>34271179
I've had like four matches since september and only one lead to about ten texts before she ghosted.

Is it possible to fuck up a first date even if the girl finds you physically attractive,?

>>34289834
>I'd say I'm going out with girls who look for something serious, which me too
okay your post seemed to suggest you're only focused on getting laid but alright fair
>so it's either 0 dates or tons of dates but perhaps high chance of dissapointing them
If this is the result of only adding height to your profile I think it's clear why bro. But yeah not like you can change that. I would still add height to filter those girls out.
Unless you're just giga bored and have enough money to waste or just want some practice in sure leave the height out but you just have to accept most dates wont go anywhere because of it and not let it get to you too much.
>>34289849
yes

>>34290001
>yes
How?

>>34290007
idk what you're asking man there's plenty of stuff that makes people not like you. .

>>34290016
But surely she'd still be down to fuck even if your personality is obnoxious?

>>34288362
Double texting is perfectly fine, keep in mind she's getting more likes in a day than you're getting in a year. Triple texting is sad though, don't do that

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>>34271127

Is height difference important for women IRL? There is a cute girl at my gym, but she is the same height as me (173cm/5,8). Do I have a chance or it's over? Read somewhere that only 4% of couples are with the female being the same height or taller, and most women on a random forum I read seem to say it's important for them. "I don't care how tall you are, just be taller."

I just saw the hottest woman at work, how the fuck would I have approached her and try to get a date or something?

>>34290834
There's shit you can put in your shoes to make yourself look taller.

>>34290874

What's the point if my manletism will be revealed the moment I take off my shoes?

I'm searching for games to play with my house-date tomorrow:

I'm doing an exchange program with my university where I help a foreign student to integrate into the country, I'm Italian and she's Taiwanese, we've met 2 times and we teasingly decided to do a lunch where I cook her a characteristic home dish.
It's tomorrow, we've prepared all the necessities together, I don't know what to do to entice playfulness... help me guys.

(I'm going to bring a traditional table cloth and some fresh bread, that she doesn't know while she has bought all the ingredients. Those are brought for the intimacy and care)

What games can be played on a date?
-Guess my preferences?
-First to overflow the glass loses?
-Two lies, one truth?


Mind that we'll be at her students' apartment.

>meet up with a chick
>shes going absolutely bananas for me, and I very rarely even think women are even vaugely interested in me, so to say that means something
>we’re talking constantly and FaceTiming for hours
>3 days later, feels like she went silent, getting basic text responses is like pulling teeth
Unironically what are you supposed to do?

How’s the dating market with half-Indian white men, like me? Yes I wish I didn’t exist

>>34290034
Try it
>>34290917
Go next
>we’re talking constantly and FaceTiming for hours
Also, don't do this.

>>34282678
yeah that makes sense, thanks anon

someone PLEASE give me a fucking place to meet women that isn't a bar or club. DO NOT SAY THE BOOKSTORE

>>34291845
brunch spots
restaurants / bakeries / that show up in insta reels
Roof top cafes
tourist locations
parks
classes

just rotate 1 of each group every day and youll find a girl to talk to or that will stand next to you

6'0 165lbs 31 virgin.
I want pussy and I'm tired of waiting and being a chud.
I'm seriously considering going to an anime convention and trying to pick up con sluts.
No luck on apps but then again my pics are mid af.
Moved to another city to be close to family.
Work a job with a bullshit schedule so friends are five hours away and are chuds who never have had gf either.
Going to try finding friends in ultimate frisby over the summer.
Least I have a house.
Going out with cousin as wingman next weekend.
What do?

>>34284098
>>34285574
>>34287176
I'm on the same boat, I can tick all the usual boxes like
>be yourself
>joke around
>make her laugh
but the little invisible something that turns interactions into "flirting", "showing romantic interest", "skinship" is outright missing
i have come to believe there's no workaround or solution beyond being fortunate enough for a girl to proactively approach first
in my experience it happens sometimes with european girls, specially eastern european (latinas will NEVER, EVER approach first, asians like organically developed romance better but will take a very long time just to wind up friendzoning you anyways, black girls can approach first but will immediately disregard you once they smell the "virgin" even if you're not necessarily one because they're extreme normies)
So i guess we just have to exist near some of them, maybe learn some language like Polish or Russian and go to places where they may gather and hope to get lucky?

>>34290896
staring contest (builds good tension make sure not to lose)

>>34292031
Thanks, anon, I'll report back on what is going to have happened.

Sometimes I don't really understand dating app girls. Have one girl match with me and instantly offer a bookstore/coffee date without any initiation from my side (quite eager tone and rare), but she hasn't responded for like 2 days when I responded back. I said I was keen and asked her availability. It makes me question gen z women at time.

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Added this one woman I used to go to high school with.
Its been two days now and she hasn't added me back.
Probably isn't looking good at this point but is there any chance she might add me back?

I am chronically NEET. How should I answer if I somehow end up talking to a girl and she asks me what I do?

>>34292830
list out your hobbies
What I usually say is something like:
I read a lot, watch movies, listen to music, I make art, write, sew, garden, cook, photography, etc.
Depending on the girl, I add or remove certain hobbies, It's all things I genuinely do but if I'm talking to a woman that's into nerd shit, I might mention more fantasy novels that I've read, or mention the video games I've been playing. If I'm talking to an art hoe I'll focus on my creative hobbies, but leave out the video games and fantasy.
You can even make more mundane things sound interesting. If you've got pets, say that you raise animals. You live with older relatives, talk about helping them out around the house or taking care of them, stuff like making sure they get to their doctors appointments on time. Talk about interesting podcasts you've been listening to, or documentaries you've watched. Lots of ways for you to sell yourself.

>>34290834
It's not important irl at all. I'll defend this hill till I die. The height debate is manufactured online content. I've genuinely never met a shot guy irl that has trouble getting attention, dates, and sex from women.

Yesterday at a bar I saw a skinny stacy with an oofy doofy chubby manlet who claimed to be her "friend", but he was too close and comfortable with her to be just "friends"

I'm still seething

How do I auramaxx?

>>34291845
Why not those? Or apps?

>>34282213
I always felt my elo went to shit if I paid for premium on any app
But I also always swipe just a little

>>34293104
>friend
High probability the stacy was an escort and she was working. Neither of them are going to use the word client, customer, john. No need to auramaxx lol, you need to walletmaxx.
No shame in paying for prostitutes, just keep in mind that they are there for money and the relationship is only as real as the amount of time and price you agreed on.

>>34293118
She was not kek, she had a meme degree and eveything

>>34293127
escorts and sugarbabies go to college and university too anon lol
but I'm the anon that just posted this >>34293088
again I've never really seen or met short guys that struggle with women, maybe they are friends with benefits, maybe they are friends moving toward becoming lovers. I've been in that situation before, hanging out with a friend in a romantic capacity but we are just testing the waters, so when people ask us if we're a couple or on a date the answer is "we're just friends".

Is there any point in giving the dating apps their blood money? Maybe I actually need to be at the front of the lists, like the apps themselves are selling. Numbers are against me, after all. Is it so simple?

>>34293043
When I said "do," I meant "do for a living." Like, if it comes up in a way that's not easily dodgeable.

>>34293197
You work from home.
If she wants specifics say IT, customer service, coding, admin, assistant, operator, data entry, etc.
Unfortunately this turns you into a liar. So another way to remain honest is just to be honest, but with confidence. Just flat out say you're unemployed right now (mention previous work if you have any), say you're on a sabbatical, or a temporary hiatus from work while you figure out where to take your career or the next step. She pries about money, go back to lying and say you had good savings or investments. If you are too young to pull that off, there's nothing wrong with saying your parents cover your bills, many young people are in similar situations.

>>34293224
>If you are too young to pull that off, there's nothing wrong with saying your parents cover your bills, many young people are in similar situations.
mentioned it in my first reply, but if your parents are elderly or sick you can just say "I take care of my parents/grandparents" and that's always a sufficient enough answer for most people

>>34293224
>>34293264
>Just flat out say you're unemployed right now (mention previous work if you have any)
That's what I did last time (my friend got me a random girl's number out of fucking nowhere a few years ago so I rolled with it and had coffee with her (she said she had a family emergency and bailed after like 30 minutes)). I told her I work with computers and was between contracts (didn't mention that I usually work a month out of the year tops). Good to know that I didn't fuck that part up at least. Nice to have alternatives too.

Thanks.

>>34293321
>Thanks
np
>my friend got me a random girl's number out of fucking nowhere a few years ago so I rolled with it and had coffee with her
Blind dates have always been weird. Brave of you to just roll with it. Nothing lost or gained but I'm curious about if you liked her?

>>34293366
Between the pressure to demonstrate gratitude for him having done something nice for me and the desperation of being 27 and never having been on a date, I had plenty of motivation to nut up.

She was okay. Reasonably attractive, especially for Mississippi. Zero chemistry though (obviously). I don't know if I tried too hard to make conversation or if it was doomed from the start because we were both very dull. My friend said she caught his attention because she reminded him of me, I think someone more complementary would have worked out better.

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Alright boys I need some opinions

>girl from the gym with big tits and decent looks but a bit thicc
>she comes up beside me on the treadmill one day
>tells me "I am not creeping on you there is better air flow here"
>I laugh and tell her its all good
>about 2 months late
>I am benching 2 plate for reps
>on my last set this same girl come up and says "good job" and smiles
>I smile and say thanks
>she says "I can't even squat that much"
>I just smile and don't know what to say

Does this girl like me? Is this girl just an extravert and I am just projecting her liking me? Did I fuck everything up by not being able to think of more to say to her in our brief interactions? Should I talk to her tomorrow? (she is in the gym almost every day when I am)

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>>34293754
>she cold aproached you
>you are retarded

Now armed with this information, if you think you are up to the task, just say "do you want to uuu do X after the training?"
She is guaranted to be healthy and clean, anon, wich is more than most men get.

>>34290896
>>34292031

Small update.

Me and this girl met this morning and she let me inside her student condominium.
We go inside, she shows me her room, it's all for her own.
We spent time chatting, going down to play in some cabinets and hand hockey; then we went cooking, I basically explained all my doings since I was cooking for her. Meal was 10/10. Sometimes we just stared in silence at each other.
At the end of the midday we finish eating and there's no more time left or things planned so we go together to take the metro.

That's where we think about having a game to know what we believe of each other and I suggests one truth two lies. As we play, we go off the train where around us it empties, I'm teasing the two possible options of her regarding her real personality of which one has to be a lie, before we have to separate I get it wrong, "do you really believe that?" she says, I reply "I can't read your mind" while getting closer and caressing her head. I say goodbye, one kiss one each cheek as we do here. As I gave her the last kiss cheek I look her for a split second and go, while holding her chin, down for the kiss on the lips.

She stays, they were soft and smelled like cherries, ripe and plump after the Spring. Bye she tells me and swiftly takes the stairs.

Fuck bros, I think I saved it, I savor a slow burn, I gave her enough to think about before the next time.
I have been now thinking about her through the entirety of my day.
I have a balance in my mind where a kiss can be too soon or too late and in the range of right moments I recognize I hit it before it expired.

I also have a fetish for complicity, I like to pretend we shouldn't be so intimate, hide it and coming together in spite of it (which idk, it might be true, since she's the one I should mentor in my country's university)

>>34293931
Also forgot to mention "Bye" she says while smiling and giving me a last entranced like glance. The wording can make it seem like an assault.

I fucking hate being such a sperg. I mess up every chance I get.

I just had a girl ask me to come over and help her with her printer, but she can just use her friends and what she needed printed wasn't even time sensitive. I suspect she wanted more and for me to make a move. I of course did not see that at all. Or maybe it really was just a printer job as she didn't really try to get me to stay or anything. I have no idea how to read these cues. What am I supposed to even do? Just grab her and make out?

I'm so fucking jaded too. I can't even imagine a girl being interested in me so if they want to hang out then I think it's out of pity or something so I just assume she wouldn't be interested and don't bother.

>>34293941
>What am I supposed to even do?
Honestly find excuses to do something else, like take a coffee or tea if she invited you over (+sociologically people become fonder of others when they task themselves to do others a favour, like in the said example making drinks is), ask it to relax a bit.

Kissing is always a leap of faith, I've never had the chance of a girl jumping to kiss me, but rather they always are the ones waiting, it's the nature. Assume it as the way it works and you'll work your way to achieving it.
Here are my gathered Signs she's waiting for the kiss:
-staring at you during silence
-glassy eyes
-accepts touches, especially close to the face
-tension (hard to elucide)

How kisses happen: to me, so hopefully it might help you clear it, is that I had two stages: first I leaned in a bit with my head and as I stopped, gazed them entranced without recoil then I went fully for it.

It's like small seconds of silence, tension, lean in a bit, no rejection? The silence is yes, thank you very much, kiss.

>>34294028
If you want to kiss a girl rotate looking at her left eye then right eye then look at her lips. Make this triangle a few times. She will 100% know you’re gonna kiss her then she can like change the subject or run away if she doesn’t want it. Instead of like directly rejecting your kiss which would be pretty brutal lol

>>34294092
This is the kind of autistic, yet applicable knowledge that keeps me coming back here.

there's this writing tutor i really like at my uni campus, and i only see her when i'm with my main tutor. i understand we're in a professional environment, but i still want to shoot my shot. how should i go about this, or am i being unrealistic?

How do I approach someone at church? She was with Family I think. So was I. I wish I had some visiting card like a business man that I could give out and she calls me if she's interested. IDK. She was terribly cute but I couldn't talk to her. I fucking hate it. I've never cold approached anyone.

>>34293941
Just make a printer joke, ask her about latest movies or anime and if she wants to watch it with you and grab some lunch afterwards. If it all works out you could take it to the next steps.

Is having astrological signs in Hinge bio an instant rejection for anything serious for you guys? Currently I assume any woman who believes in that shit is a fucking retard and therefore not one I'd want to spend too much time around, but I'm open to other opinions on this.

>>34294092
>Instead of like directly rejecting your kiss which would be pretty brutal lol
This happened the last time I tried to kiss a girl two years ago. Went for it at the end of the date and she turned her head to the side. I'm wincing just typing this.

>>34294452
Oh come on anon. Women are going to be women. Don't reject for that.

>>34294492
Not all women are dumb.

>>34294503
This is like telling not all men watch porn. Both true but come on. Most femoids are dumb as a bag of rocks.

>>34294540
>>>/r9k/

>>34294540
Because you have not played the game their way, but selfishly wanted it your way. However, the game is supposed to be done through compromise on you and her not all done on you and not all done on her.

>>34294673
I'm telling him to compromise and go for stupid women. If you are above average IQ, apart from people at work. Most people look dumb by comparison. Go for the dumb blondes, have fun.

>>34294739
You'd be surprised at how much of a sophisticated chess player a woman is in life. Guys like you are the biggest fool for a succubus who steals your home, kids, and car.

>>34294540
most people are stupid, its just that women purposefully dumb themselves down to be more relatable to the person theyre talking to so you (a stranger) wont put us in danger. meanwhile men will try to pretend to be on your level no matter how big the IQ difference is. if MOST women in your life are dumb as a bag of rocks i have some awful news for you

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>>34271127
0 likes on dating apps, done with that, so I will try clubs atleast one time this saturday and then visit dance courses. do I look like I could pull?

>>34294769
I'm a khhv so you might not be wrong. But I hope not.

>>34294830
I'm not claiming to be smart or very high IQ anon. I've met smart people. I'm not one of them.

I thought I was hitting it off well with this woman, she even asked me a bunch of questions about myself and she seemed happy when talking to me but she hasn't send me a message today. I know she's busy but maybe she'll send something tomorrow. Is this normal? I don't date and this is the first time I've spoken to a woman that wasn't related to me in about a year

>>34294944
No

>>34293088
what about >>34289834

i believe that being short gets you less long term partners overall and less attractive ones
your pool of girls willing to date you is considerably lower in terms of volume and quality

like when you're short: your face may be close to a 9 but the girls you can get with (long term) will be closer to 6 or below

whereas a guy whos face is a 7 but tall can get with girll of all ranges for long term

but it's not to say there are girls who will date you
it just takes longer and more effort by a considerable margin

While i think that everyone, event he most subhumans can find a partner
i think people understemite how much being short makes dating harder
they think oh youre only 5 cm so you're about 2% shorter so it should be around as easy.
no it ends up being like 10-20x more hard

>>34293754
you posted this before. why do you do this

Heard through a mutual friend that a girl declined a 2nd date with me because "im the weirdest person she's ever met" and that she "doesnt know how I have any friends"

>be 32
>get new job as code monkey
>comfortable hours and pay
>two insanely hot coworkers, one 28 and the other 29
>seriously these ladies look like they could be cover models
>both are interested in senior guys at the company who are in their 40s and ignore me

What the actual fuck. Not the first time this has happened either, I lost a girl that I liked when I was 23 and she was 19 to a 30 year old. I work out, I dress well, I'm saving up and investing money and yet I can't fucking attract a single decent woman in my age range.

>>34295352
A. Don't shit where you eat
B. Women in high paying positions usually have their eyes on someone even more senior and more higher paid than them because they have an idea on how the corporate ladder works.

How do I get a pale white non fat teen girlfriend without being witch hunted and murdered, if I’m a white male?

>>34295520
go out, find one, and ask her on a date.

>>34295383
>A. Don't shit where you eat
Oh piss off, plenty of people date coworkers and nothing bad happens. This stupid meme needs to die FFS.
>B. Women in high paying positions usually have their eyes on someone even more senior and more higher paid than them because they have an idea on how the corporate ladder works.
Except these chicks aren't some corporate high flyers, they are in the tech support department. And the senior guys aren't necessarily higher in position than me, I meant senior as in older and been in the company longer than me.

>>34295529
A white guy was murdered and called a pedophile for that

>>34295671
Who?

Apparently the Indonesian girl I talked to faked her location and lives in, well, Indonesia.

This is the second time I've gotten an actual conversation out of dating apps and the first time was with a woman living in Africa. That time I bailed because of the traveling costs (that would stack up with repeat visits).

Should I ghost that Indonesian girl?

>>34295739
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15564589/amp/Two-teens-guilty-manslaughter-luring-man-branded-paedophile-49-beach-killing-rocks-bottle.html

>>34295118
I posted it on /fit/ and then went ahead and pasted it over here to see what the fags here would think

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How do I transition from having a girl who is totally in love with me into her being willing to go out and pick up girls with me and have threesomes?

She has like zero lesbianism in her but I feel like she would do anything for me. Is this like too much of a corrupt and evil thing to try? If so why do I want to so freaking bad

>>34271127
I gave up pretty much. Decided to go monk mode and I found bliss in not having desire anymore.
Best of luck to you all though and I hope you find what you're looking for.

>>34296323
T. Guy who is about to go on a gooning binge in less than 2 weeks for sure

>>34296323
Good goy slave, save the last of the white girls for those brown and black men.

>>34296345
No. 30 days no porn or masturbation. Also this post was likely projection.

>>34296346
Not my problem anymore, remember? I only have to be here for like 60 more years anyways. And also you can bring the kingdom of Heaven to Earth by retaining and transmuting your semen or divine essence.

>>34296351
I say because I have been in your position. Proudly preaching about my non fapping on 4chan only to lose my way. Pride comes before the downfall, as the Bible says.

>>34296323
I have mostly done this, but it's like being a woman and deciding not to have children. At a certain point it's an irreversible decision and that scares me. Obviously the decision to not chase women is reversible, but I'm 32 now and at a certain age dating a non-walled woman is going to be difficult at a minimum and scandalous at most.

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>>34296378
That's alright God knows we're only human and not perfect. Doesn't mean you can't at least try. Hope you find what you're looking for.

>Several dates
>Sex at least once a month from different women
>Some of which I can still call for a quick round
>STILL hung up on oneitis

Abundance mentality didn't help at all, what now?

>>34296453
Abundance is a pussy move, it just means you're too much of a coward to actually work through your problems on your own. My advice to you is to stop chasing tail and instead wait for a girl you'll have a genuine emotional connection with.

>>34295870
>guy was a 30 year old trying to fuck a 16 year old and was a convicted stalker to boot
>the kids weren't even trying to kill him but perma-ko’d him by accident

Maybe don’t try to fuck children, pedo-kun.

>>34296502
>just wait for a girl to arbitrarily decide she's in love with you bro

>>34296453
I'm not sure if my first gf was actually that great or if I was with her so long she reprogrammed my mind into thinking that she was ideal and every other girl will inevitably fall short.

>>34296527
Never said he wanted to have sex with her he wanted to kiss her, and have a romantic walk on the beach. And 16 is not pedophilia her body is matured, and it’s the AoC. It’s also the AoC in my state. And he tried to run away when they started throwing rocks at his head but he tripped and they kept throwing rocks at him until he died.

>>34296752
>he just wanted to kiss a child!

Well that’s nice, at least he wanted to warm her up a bit before trying to sex her.

>16 is aoc

Specifically for cases where there are small age gaps between teenagers, like say 19 and 16. Not for pedos like you. I should know because I worked with legal on cases like that.

>threw rocks at him until he died

No, he died much later from the physical trauma. Like I said, a freak accident. And again, perfectly avoidable if you don’t go around trying to fuck kids.

>>34289839
Do you live in a city of <10k?

>>34296917
>I should know because I worked with legal on cases like that.
and I'm the tooth fairy
c'mon man I actually agree with you that trying to fuck 16 year olds is pretty creepy but absolutely no police force on the planet is gonna jail somebody for having consensual relations with a legal age teenager even if she is 16

>>34271127
Any advice on how to meet women at a Renaissance Faire? Never been to one before, but I'm thinking of attending one in the coming months. Not interested in ONS or hooking up, trying to find a gf.

Every woman who I'm even slightly interested in and who I believe has some interest in me always tells me that they aren't in the right place in their life for a relationship. Do I just suck?

>>34296917
Nope, 16 is the AoC where he lived and 16 year olds are not children. Also what happened to women being more mature than men? Because all my life I was shamed for being immature because I was born male and the females mature really young. That’s what I was told my whole life. And their bodies are mature at 16 they have huge boobs, pubic area full developed etc. lots of women in my middle school were having sex.

>>34296967
Believe what you like, 16 as the age of consent is for very specific cases. They are very much off limits to 30 year old middle-aged guys.

>>34298037
>16 is the AoC
For close in age exceptions as I’ve mentioned.
>16 year olds are not children
Yes they are. They aren’t even considered seniors as far as school or sporting competitions go.
>also what happened to women being more mature than men?
It was always a myth pushed by pedo creeps.
>middle school were having sex
With other clueless teenagers. I don’t care if you’re upset because you were too much of a coward to get some as a teenager but your chance has passed. Get over it and stop preying on kids.

>>34298045
That Romeo and Juliette law is not universal bro. It’s 16 for that guys country.

How can you tell If a woman is interested in you? or If she isn't interested?

>>34298124
You ask her on dates and try to hold her hand and kiss and stuff. If she agrees she is interested if she declines she probably isn't interested.

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>>34295108
Being a shot man and getting a woman to like you is much easier to do in person than it is to do on the flesh market of dating apps. Not even good looking men do well on dating apps, anon. Women are far too harsh when judging men online. Personality, aka talking, is what typically wins women over.
tldr: be funny, be smart, be kind, girls like

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>clubbing with friend group
>me, another guy, and 4 other girls
>me and smol girl are teasing each other a good deal throughout
> she's bumping into me, grabbing me, kicking my feet, etc(I do it back)
>I've know her for a year, but only yesterday things started to "warm up"
>before we go into a club I ask her for her IG, she's the only one from the group I don't follow.
>she's reluctant in adding me :" it's this one. but I might not follow you back"
>She doesn't, right away. and her mood shifts a bit
>We go into a club/bar
>as we walk in, 8/10 with picrel build is next to me dancing.
> Huge tits, tight sweater/sports bra
>I feel that deep guttural feeling in my core, GYAAATT
>but I'm with the group, mostly girls, so it's tricky to approach
>bar shuts down, lights on, and my mates leave
>I stay behind and ask tit cow for digits
>her retard big teeth friend starts cock blocking, while I'm trying to talk to titcow
>tit cow is clearly not interested and is moving
>still I talk to her and ask for IG,
>"sorry I don't have one".
>"aight have a good night"
>head out and meet friend group outside and they are joshing:" hey rizzler! " or wtv lol
>smol girl is quiet (I think) she might have laughed
>we're waiting for the uber, and some hobo asks me to pay for a hotdog
>I got with the hobo and come back to the girls in my group
>aww nice deed anon (says one girl)
>the smol girl is adding me on IG and going trough my page


not sure if making the move on the titcow or getting the hobo a hotdog that did it. Still she's a bit hard to read. Based on body language she's def into me, but whenever I've texted her she's cold and uninterested.
I'm 31, she's 21 and she'll go to another country for some months for school, so maybe she doesn't want to get attached. what do?
still happy I approached a girl that's my type, even if I fumbled it.

>>34298596
You did well, friend. And your greentext skills are immaculate.
I am in the same position, 29 about to hit 30, going to school still, second year now. Going to school clubs hanging out with young people makes me feel good. I hope to get a girlfriend again as I had one for 5 years moved to her country and she cheated on me and now I'm alone here with no family and no gf and it's a different language that I don't know and making friends is difficult because I constantly evaluate my life from the lens of "is this getting me a girlfriend, am I successful with women" and it's tied to my self worth so much that if I don't succeed I get such immense disappointment that I stop trying to live entirely and just want to do nothing and lay down basically. Give up on life.
So, recently trying to untie that knot again, it's just really hard to get away from it. I'm trying to live honestly and meet people from school clubs and go to school and have the second best thing after having a gf which is: taking care of myself physically, going to school and getting passing grades, and having friends who make me feel some self worth even if they are males and aren't interesting to me romantically.

So in that regard I feel like we're very similar, and you going to the bar and trying with 2 girls is a great thing. Keep up those connections, get invited to as much shit as possible to get to know as many people as possible and eventually, some girl will think you're nice and you guys will hang out and hopefully something happens.

I say this as someone who's never formed a romantic connection organically btw, my previous gfs were all attained online and not on dating apps. Just reddit/chat roulette one time long ago/discord. But I'm pretty certain based on how often other guys get gfs when they just hang out around women, that connections kind of just happen. So keep at it and don't forget to take care of yourself and of your job/school first, and girl-pursuing/bar-going second

>>34298596
One on one time anon. Men fail relying on phones and apps and texting. You two clearly enjoy each other's company, you are friends, invite her out for a one on one outing. If you feel like using the word date might scare her off then don't call it that but make sure she knows that its just you and her. Also don't underestimate the power of inviting someone out to run errands, it's super causal, low pressure, a trip to Target or Whole Foods (or wherever you shop), this is an easy way to invite her back to your place. Movie, music, a drink, you can even cook for her if you want to really impress. A hug or a kiss on the cheek or forehead goodbye. You probably won't fuck her that day but it's a massive step toward doing it and letting her know you are interested.

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>sperg but didn't realize it until recently
>used to get tons of dates from dating apps by pretending to be a chad, which I now know is called masking
>all engagements ended by a few dates in, either because I got tired of pretending or they saw through the facade
So either I go back to pretending, which makes me miserable and is guaranteed to end, or I somehow find a girl who likes it when I bee myself.

how pathetic would it be if i tried to contact a girl i've gone out with one single time 3.5 months ago?
i had asked her out many times before and after that (last being two months ago) but she always declined or ghosted.
on the bright side i've got her phone number and we had a good time on that single date but that's really it

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>>34299515

>>34299116
>pretending
AKA living
Get good.

>>34299515
>declined or ghosted
Move on

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What size are these tits? She liked me but I refuse to associate with titlits.

>>34299607
t. pretender

>>34298317
exactly what doesn't matter to tall and attractive guys matters with short men
i.e. a tall guy will be able to go through life without really having to think so much about leveling up his personality, charisma etc. and still manage to end up in a long term relationship with a decent woman
whereas if a short guy does not improve all aspects of his personality and life, he may never find a decent partner at all
yes, he may settle for a lower quality one

i think either I'm understemitaing how much effort ohter guys put in, or it really is immensely harder for short guys to end up succeeding in dating

>>34300179
I’m 6’8 and tried everything and never been on a date in my life.

>>34300179
Everybody has advantages and disadvantages, not every woman likes the same type of man. Constantly crying about what you think you're lacking is stupid. Those tall, attractive men and women see all of their flaws when they look in the mirror, they get depressed thinking about how their life isn't going the way they thought it would, they have embarrassing moments, they don't like their personality quirks, they think their voices sound stupid, they wish their eyes and hair were a bit darker or lighter, some of them don't like being attractive at times because it brings unwanted attention and some people can't get past surface level judgment of them to see that they have other skills and interests. While the short guy wishes he were taller, the tall guy is envious of the short man because his interactions with people come off as much more genuine.
I haven't met a short man irl that struggles with women. This has been a consistent observation since middle school, they got girls like all the other boys, I'm thinking about my short friends in high school and college and how they pretty much all had girlfriends. If they approached women while we were out at parties or in class they got the same level of attention as every other type of guy. None of my female friends have ever made a joke or negative comment about a man's height. All through my adult years, what I've typically found is that short men are more likely to have a wife and kids. I've met tall guys that are kind of milquetoast and their women just walk all over them and treat them like shit, even publicly cheating on them. lol last month one of the tall, loud, confident guys at my job, that women gravitate toward, he was having a screaming match on the phone because he caught his long term gf cheating on him.
What I read online about short guys struggling to date, and women only liking men that are six feet tall, with eight inch dicks and luxury vehicles, is not what I see with my own eyes irl.

I’m a girl but I have a question about girls
How do I know when a girl is going to hate me and talk behind my back?
All the girl I know always have me lead to conversations and stay quiet or say one line to whatever I say
I usually find out later that they don’t like me after they got to know me

>>34300451
>All the girl I know always have me lead to conversations and stay quiet or say one line to whatever I say
This is a pretty good indicator, even guys will do that.
Lots of people in the world, don't worry about the handful that you don't exactly jell with.

How are girls so good at fooling me into thinking they want to see me?
>girl runs up to me in mall
>recognize her from years ago, we had a very long conversation at a coffee shop and I asked her her number at the end, she said no
>her looks have degraded for sure, still kinda pretty
>we talk and she gives me her number to catch up.
>ok let's meet here on this day
>oh no I got something that time how about this?
>Ok sure lets do that
>hey sorry anon this thing came up... how about we try for the other time?
The other time is literally nonexistant because she already said she has something.
So women will literally just play with you for what? Attention? How good is attention, really? Is it some type of extra receptor they have that gives them some type of huge dopamine rush? Woman are fucking garbage. I know im supposed to go around loving them and that will attract more and make me a not-creep, but fuck it dude. I've got a body count, I've fucked all kinds of them. Im so fucking tired of them

>>34300482
>how about we try for the other time?
Anon, she still wants to see you. People have lives, shit comes up. She even said sorry.
She only cancelled on you once lol. Give it one more go.

>>34298317
>Being a shot man
can't even spell 'short'
>getting a woman to like you is much easier to do in person
if your height is a dealbreaker and they are rude enough, they will tell you in person
>Personality, aka talking, is what typically wins women over.
personality is simply a synonym for looks
>be smart
intelligence isn't attractive, it's the power or status you can gain from it that is

>>34300482
>How good is attention, really?
attention for women is like sex for men

>>34300499
A lot of the "I can't get get women because I'm 5'8" " guys don't realize it's not their height that's scarring off women, it's your shit attitudes. All you guys do is whine, lighten up.

>>34300513
>scarring
it's one r
>guys don't realize it's not their height
most common thing is their height or their hairline

>>34300541
Nope, go outside and actually look at people anon. Talk to them. Plenty of bald or balding men with good looking wives and girlfriends. Plenty of short men with wives and girlfriends. Sometimes they are both bald and short. Get offline, stop being a tick in the mud and you will find at least one woman that likes you.

p.s. I left a typo just for you.

>>34300439
The attractive people who see their facial flaws don't have it half as bad as ugly people who see their facial flaws. Why? Because those attractive still get preferential treatment. The uggos don't get that kind of special treatment.

>>34300609
The point is that you don't let it stop you. If you've got a chopped face, there are other ways to make yourself appealing. Again, for like the fourth or fifth time, it's easier to connect with women in person rather than online where the only thing they have to is your looks. Unfortunately, one average, men are not attractive but thankfully biology has a bunch of other tricks it uses for mate attraction, but they don't work through screens.

>>34300617
right, but you also viewing attraction as two seperate worlds
screen vs reality

which makes sense.
in the moment a much less physically attractive guy can get the attention and attraction of a girl in person through charisma, social skills, status etc.

but, this same woman exists in multiple worlds
she's not only in the physical world she is also in the virtual world
so at any moment, her mind will connect and this connection to the virtual world now gives her options

if a girl at all uses any logic or brain power she can then choose to ignore her or put less emphasis on that fleeting physical moment in choice of chasing ideal partner which seems abundant online

>>34300439
Exactly I’m >>34300422
And never see tall men with women. I think women prefer men around their own height. If I ask women about it they call me insecure but it doesn’t matter because they weren’t going to date me, they already rejected me.

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>>34288374
>Does this actually make men mad?
Not mad, but the fact is women use paying for the first date as a shit test/power move to get the man to invest in a complete stranger with no guarantee of a return.

The main reason for a date is getting to know someone, yet women hate free/cheap dates that don't allow them to gauge how much a man will lower themselves for them financially.

>>34300617
The problem is that online dating has become the most popular way for people to find their gf or bf.

>>34272506
Perhaps you have some deep insecurity about your sexual performance that prevents you for advancing in the critical moments women expect exactly that. When a women flirts(sexual jokes, etc) you have to answer flirting. At some moment women expect you to go physical (get closer, touch hand, get the ball rolling) etc.

>>34272506
Women can sense what's inbetween your ears in the brain. It's clearly not good.

>>34288374
>the cost of beauty treatments we do for men anyway
did they ask you to do it?
guys sometimes also invests in their looks, would it shift the responsibility of who is paying?

Became exclusive with a girl I met on hinge today, see ya later incels

>>34301091
>yet women hate free/cheap dates that don't allow them to gauge how much a man will lower themselves for them financially.

What a load of garbage, a good "date" is tow cans of beer in the park. A chick wants any more, shes a gold digger and not worthy of dedicating any further time.

>in grad school with this girl
>cute bubbly, super smart (at or near the top of our program)
>have a bunch of classes and group projects with her
>start to get close to her, but then keep her at arm's length because I decide dating someone I see in class everyday and at the same parties on the weekends would be weird, but I don't want to become an orbiter
>can't avoid her entirely due to common friends and group projects
>decide fuck it, might as well go for it
>try to be more flirty with her: teasing touching, etc.
>she seems to respond well
>asked her out this morning for a date tonight (It's spring break and I leave tomorrow)
>unread, but WhatsApp says she hasn't been online since before I sent it
>she messaged me back after when we would've met up, but I already found "other plans" (vidya, 4chan, etc.)
Do I text her back tonight or tomorrow? I'm thinking tomorrow. I'm not gonna see her tonight anyway.

>>34302177
well done

>>34286827
ok update on this:
went on two more dates
this time going in with basically the expectation things won't work out

but somehow the girls were more into it than other times
it felt good

I asked one of them out again and got ghosted
Then, the other I went on a date yesterday
we drank sangria and ate tapas, the vibe was great
at the end we shared a bit of an awkward moment like we were hesitating to leave and I put my hand on her chin and kissed her.
but it was so short and she looked flustered and went away

but she closed her eyes and everything and let me do it but let's see if it works out...

>>34297452
Anyone? I've only ever had one date, which I got from an app (I didn't vibe with her personality), so anything is appreciated.

Look if a hot chick looks at you and thinks you're like all the other losers in her life trying to use her for sex. Instead of freaking out like you're the one or you're the worst, just be fucking chill about it okay? Just try to be chill about being a part of the problematic men she deals with in life.

>>34283739
It's easy when you don't care, i.e confidence.

>>34286946
I imagine it would be quite nice if what you said was true and implementable to life

>>34283739
Cold approaching guys is decent practice. It's not really intimidating because no one's trying to fuck. Plus it can be pretty entertaining because men usually have at least one interesting thing going on in their lives.

I used to just walk around the park and ask random dudes if they had any hobbies. Shockingly effective for how autistic it was, led to some decent conversations. Of course, some people are going to be weirded out, but sensing that and elegantly fucking off is an important skill.

>>34293809>>34293754

Dafaq?

Maybe she's just engaging with the anom to socialize

what are some books or vids on "BigDickEnergy". I have fixed a lot of issues related with "who I am", but in the end, I end up acting like a weak ass bitch in situations where confidence should be a turning point.
like, some weeks ago I was with this girl, just standing around her even when I clearly could see she wanted to interact with me.
fuck, I just want to be secure and seen as a choice. i can get dates, attention and all the stuff, but it all ends into me being a bitch.

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I had a "date" with a girl I met on a dating app last Saturday where we just played a game together, but I think it went really well, our personalities just kinda matched. We exchanged discords and shit.
I sent her some random pictures, she sent me some back too.

My question is how do I keep her interest? I'm going to ask if she wants to meet up at a location we were talking about on this upcoming Friday but I don't know what I should do between now and then. Please help! I really don't want to fuck this up

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>>34300422
>I’m 6’8 and tried everything and never been on a date in my life.
if you're white or black, come to izmir turkey.
you WILL leave with a 10/10 of your choice.

>>34304914
I’m only attracted to white women that aren’t fat or covered in tans, piercings and tattoos.

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>>34304971
>white
4 of those 6 are literally white and turkey has many natural blondes/blue eyed who are descended from the aryan abductees from the barbary slave trade, what the fuck else would you want.

>>34304855
You can ask her how her day was or some basic shit like that. That's always appreciated.

>>34304855
>I sent her some random pictures, she sent me some back too
Then if she was not repelled, it's time to plan a irl date ASAP. More men are queing.

>>34294944
as general advice - try wearing smart casual/ more serious/ adult/ professional clothing
I'd say go for the 'Im a professional in a city office job' look instead of the 'I look like I masturbate and stalk women' look

infact redo all your dating profile pics with a better wardrobe and non-shitty photos (assuming this is one of your better ones kek)
just search up what men normally do and copy/fake them (with gemini or whatever)

>>34295850
yeah tons of indonesian, pinay and african women do this thing where they match people from western countries to talk and have a ltr
its retarded and sucks dick but is only incentivising because you're desperate

find someone who's in your country first lol

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After 1 week of using Tinder, I only got 2 likes (I signed up for premium to see who'd like me), and one account was a filipina scammer, and the other was a fat black woman, who had a very male looking face. If you scraped the bottom of the barrel any harder you'd get splinters. I tried Hinge and had even less luck despite there being more women in my area on Hinge than on Tinder and closer to me age-wise too (an average of maybe 18-21 on Hinge, which is my age range, to 21-25 on Tinder).

For the record, I'm 19, have a fairly stable and okay job for my age, I'm average build maybe even on the skinnier side but I do have some muscle, reasonably tall (6'2), but I have an average face. Can I do better or is it over? I did struggle to find good pictures for my profile, but there's just not a lot of stuff I like getting up to that I can take pictures of without making myself look like more of a loser than if I just used 6 mirror selfies.

Take advice here that convinces you to not be a dweeb with a grain of salt. Yes you got to be smooth like Hugh Hefner in a way, but you got to be intelligent too. Some people if they try to be Hugh Hefner would fail on them quickly.

>>34271127
F here. I’m in my 20s studying in a city known for its cold inhabitants. I stumbled upon the clown stalker guy today. My problem, and some of my girlfriends share the same feeing, is that I freeze. I mean I can’t get myself to say hello or make obvious enough hints for this guy. My mind bombards me with negative things and I know from what I heard.

For context this guy has an aura of extreme danger and protection. I can’t explain it, guys and girls have different opinions, but he exudes confidence and embarrassment at the same time.

My friends, from their sources, say he’s learning languages or something - praying and other esoteric stuff. Apparently everyone always sees him walking and in public transportation.

I just want to get on with my life and marry a guy, how do I avoid getting triggered by this type of person? I don’t want to look at him much less talk. Any sources? I heard he’s really bad news wherever he stays.

>>34305014
So according to you, black people with bright blue eyes are aryan and therefore not actually black?

>"I'm a cat and that's more my brand. We can't both be cats so I think you should be a puppy"
Joever

>>34306206
Bro you aren't alone. I got dumped because some guy had more experience on the streets than me and I tried my damn best with work and education to keep up with him, but it never amounted to his level. Too damn good of a challenge against me. He had something real and raw about him that my crush liked. I hate to say this but the nerd has to win in something at some point. I do not wish on anyone to end up suicidal and stuck in their parents home their entire life whining and moping until they get old and balding. But enough about me.

You ain't alone bro is where I'm coming at, hence the story telling you a similar situation.

>>34304914
Fuck off, Turkish women already have to deal with enough foreign perverts who come here thinking they can score a white Muslim girlfriend/wife. And 10/10 girls in Turkey are even more selective than normal women, they expect you to be a proper man and won't date a nutless 4chan incel who spends his days whining how women don't like him.

>>34305939
Did you fail Logic 101 at school or something?