a waste of what

>>34289808
Time effort and money?

I go to the HTGW threads and it's anons posting these long lists of resumes you have to create, places you have to go and shit you have to do just to get pictures and present yourself a certain way etc etc and im asking is it worth it?

>>34289797
In general it's a waste, no matter what age you are

>>34289797
Girls like this always have the lamest milquetoast boyfriends addicted to lame ass games like Valorant, and for the like of me I can't figure out why

Anyway to answer your question OP late 20s might be the best time to try dating apps. Lots of younger women have 30 set as the max age on their filters so unless you lie about your age they won't even see you.
In general this is you last chance for casual dating and just fucking around with women for fun anyway. Once you hit 30 and beyond you need to lock something down or you'll be single forever.
>>34291231
>I go to the HTGW threads and it's anons posting these long lists of resumes you have to create
Takes maybe a half hour tops
>places you have to go and shit you have to do just to get pictures and present yourself a certain way
If you're living an active life anyway you should have plenty of opportunities to take interesting pictures, all it requires is the presence of mind to remember to take them. My Hinge profile had a picture of me in cosplay FFS

I M O the biggest time and effort sink on these apps is actually interacting with the bitches. If you get a decent amount of matches, like a dozen or more, you'll spend a very significant portion of your day talking to them, strategizing for dates, going to places, etc. I got burned out by that part which is why I stopped, it genuinely isn't worth the effort to hold a week long text conversation with some mid so you maybe get a blowjob.

>>34289797
Only a complete waste of time if you are ugly

>>34291231
Just take pics at a park, a venue or on the street. Shirtless/beach pic only if you want hookups. You only need like 2 or 3 good ones then add some as filler to make it 6. It's not that hard. Ask a woman to tell you which ones are good because you're clueless, maybe it's hard if you dont know any women I guess.
Why would you need to spend money? Do you want to attract gold diggers who think you will buy them a trip to Paris or something?

>>34289797
Unless you're 6'2+ and white and have a handsome face, yes

>>34291248
>if youre living an active life anyway
I literally just work 6 days a week and buy/sell old records and sound systems off ebay and antique stores on my day off. Besides that? Doomscrolling

Also what do you think of the countless amobs spamming "it's all obese girls and single moms"? That's what kept me away from the apps for this long anyway

>>34291248
>milquetoast boyfriends addicted to lame ass games like Valorant, and for the like of me I can't figure out why
Maybe they're just the modern version of the vans wearing monster sipping dudebro that played halo and COD.

>>34289797
Too many autistics and uggos use online dating as a cheat code to avoid having to make eye contact with women in real life and fuck them. If you can't do the latter you'll never be good at the former. If you have thin skin and you care about what bitches say about you and rejection sends you into a depression spiral for weeks and months and if you suck at dating in real life but you think tinder will be the secret to unlocking your pussy getting abilities then no, skip it. Its of no use to you.

>>34289797
absolute waste of time money effort and energy

>>34291317
>Maybe they're just the modern version of the vans wearing monster sipping dudebro that played halo and COD
Yeah but at least most of the time those guys would scream nigger over xbox live and know about cool Newgrounds animations and could get good weed before it was legalized all over the place.
Today's young dudes are just so...nothing. They're like nothing men, actually nothing boys really.

>>34291309
>buy/sell old records and sound systems off ebay and antique stores on my day off
Then on one of those days use a phone filter to take a black and white pic of you dressed in flannel and hauling old sound equipment. You'll look like a roadie for Nirvana in a good way. Shit's not rocket science.
>Also what do you think of the countless amobs spamming "it's all obese girls and single moms"?
It's cope, though there is a good bit of single moms and fatties.
Really it depends on what you want. If you just want to get experience dating and have fun kissing and fucking a bunch of girls then apps can be great. If you're looking for serious wife material, your chances are about as good as finding it in real life I'd say. I found some nice girls who were good looking and seemed to really like me on apps, but they ended up having icky things in their pasts like most normie women who have dated around might. I'm not some freak obsessed with getting a virgin girl, I can accept a girl with some romantic past, but I still have my dealbreakers.
That meme about all the good women being taken by college graduation is right anyway. The trad housewife material girls were all engaged by age 21 to Brother Joseph Smith from a good family who's going to be Provo's next mayor. You were never ever in that consideration pool anyway, that never existed as an option for you in any reality.
>>34291357
This just sounds like cope from an autistic uggo who tried and still failed anyway while other "autistic uggos" were playing the game and getting wet crotches.

>>34291248
>Girls like this always have the lamest milquetoast boyfriends addicted to lame ass games like Valorant, and for the like of me I can't figure out why
Because they're empty like them. Don't have to feel insecure if there's no asymmetry.

>>34291480
>no asymmetry
If they're both empty then those girls are like finely painted Ming vases while those guys are like the plastic Chinese food containers you get wonton soup in.
Maybe I'm just too terminally autismo to get it.

>>34291248
>Girls like this always have the lamest milquetoast boyfriends addicted to lame ass games like Valorant, and for the like of me I can't figure out why

A lot of relationships are more like business partnerships, i.e. a girl whose income is largely based in thirst trap content will wind up with a dude whose income is based in e-sports. It's about money, not romance or attraction. They promote each other's content, appear in each other's streams, etc. It's a 'collab' with some cutesy overtones.

Two people who farm parasocial engagement will inevitably wind up in overlapping spheres. Their lifestyles are compatible. Just like how blue collar or white collar workers wind up together.

Classism is very much real. There's just an additional, weird class now.

>>34289797
yes, they are a scam and full of bots

>>34289797
If you are an inexperienced guy with anything less than gold plated self esteem, I wouldn't recommend it.

Once a month you'll receive a match, and it'll be either a bot or a fat chick who immediately unmatches you. Your self worth will plummet, you'll drop into a depression, and you'll become even less likely to put yourself out there or succeed at dating.

If your cross paths with chicks IRL, your personality and vibe come thru and compensate for whatever superficial shortcomings you might have. But on the apps, the superficial is all anyone has to go by. No matter how good your pics look, there is very likely a more attractive guy who is stealing all your swipes.

This is bad news because not only does it sour dudes on dating and women and push them into more misogynistic mindsets (thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of being undateable losers), but it also puts dudes into competition with each other and erodes the whole idea of male companionship. Everyone in these worlds see each other as competitors. They become isolated and miserable.

The good news is, despite what the terminally online might tell you, there IS a world outside social media. I encourage you to touch grass as often as possible and remain open to whatever encounters come your way.

>>34291653
>If you are an inexperienced guy with anything less than gold plated self esteem
I've been rejected from women far more brutally IRL than can ever happen on a dating app. Cussed at, insulted personally, actually physically assaulted, even had a sandwich thrown at me once.
On an app the worst that happens is you get ghosted, alternatively if they get mouthy and nasty you can troll them much more effectively than IRL.
>Once a month you'll receive a match, and it'll be either a bot or a fat chick who immediately unmatches you. Your self worth will plummet, you'll drop into a depression, and you'll become even less likely to put yourself out there or succeed at dating.
That's only if you're a broke retard who doesn't pay for premium. You have to pay to play, there's no getting around it. That first boost you get during your first few months can do wonders for your ELO.
If you can't cough up $50 for at least one month of premium you're a fucking loser. I don't care what cope you have about it being a Jewish scam or predating on lonely men or whatever, if you don't have $50 to spare you don't deserve to get laid anyway
>your personality and vibe come thru and compensate for whatever superficial shortcomings you might have
Alternatively you could do one spergy thing and give a chick the ick and completely ruin things. In fact, that's how it goes 90% of the time.
>But on the apps, the superficial is all anyone has to go by
On Hinge and other dating apps you can start conversations with chicks before you match based on their profiles. That helped get me a lot of matches and dates I probably wouldn't have gotten considering I'm a hard 6.
>it also puts dudes into competition with each other and erodes the whole idea of male companionship. Everyone in these worlds see each other as competitors.
Bro it's 100x worse IRL. If you go anywhere there are single women there are a ton of men who have been raised by Andrew Tate or Clavicular videos trying to out douche you

>>34291653
>>34291692
I'm somewhere in the middle of these two in outlook. Late 20s, not hideous but also not attractive enough to have ever been approached irl, didn't date in my early 20s so pretty inexperienced.

I haven't paypigged at home and get very few matches, but I've hit it off with ~50% of the few I did match with. It probably helps that I have a slightly unusual taste in women, so I'm not competing for the models and teenagers. If you're into fatties it must be even better. Been on dates with ~8 girls in 6 months (minus a 1 month break), got laid with 2, one of whom was beautiful and I really fell for her, nothing long term yet.

I did however pay the jew tax when I went on a short trip to Asia. Hard to know if it's the being white or the paying but it's definitely a different experience, yeah. Didn't bother with premium at home because I'm happy with the steady trickle of woman I'm mostly interested in.

Which is to say yes OP, it's probably worthwhile as a way to meet more women. Though if you're only average looks-wise, or worse, then you shouldn't expect too much. Not that I meet many women irl, but in terms of batting averages I have better luck hitting on women at the bus stop.

>>34291692
Idk man, your whole incendiary tone kinda supports my point about these spaces pitting people against each other. The fact that you know who clavicular is and look for his influence IRL is a sign that you've gone a bit too far. Just my two cents.

>>34289797
>>34291231
dating apps are a weapon & chances are you'll not end up any happier from using them

relationships are largely something which should take care of themselves if you're living properly
i know that's kinda vague
just remember a relationship is ultimately supposed to enhance your life (though it comes with responsibilities)
if you feel like you're working in the coal mines only to end up in a situation where you feel worse than when alone, that would suck, and that's the most likely outcome

i don't mean to curse you though, try it if you must & good luck

>>34291440
>This just sounds like cope from an autistic uggo who tried and still failed anyway while other "autistic uggos" were playing the game and getting wet crotches.
Whatever you say, brother. I truly couldn't give less of a shit about what you think.

>>34291836
>Idk man, your whole incendiary tone kinda supports my point about these spaces pitting people against each other.
Nah it's just that I get riled up when I see people spouting falsities and bullshit like you were. We'll call that a personal flaw I haven't quite shaken after growing up as a stuck-up know-it-all type.
Fact of the matter is dating apps aren't great, but the experience you described was what I'd expect from a low-effort neckbeard with a shit profile using free mode. If you put in the work, you can still get a return, I've seen it even as a fat ugly sperg who has been actually physically assaulted by women I've tried to hit on IRL.
>The fact that you know who clavicular is and look for his influence IRL is a sign that you've gone a bit too far.
1) Wow way to totally ignore the point I was making. You should keep giving advice, you argue very well and not at all
2) Clavicular is on the national fucking news, I only know about him because I saw a story about his arrest in my MSN feed and I had to look up who this new manosphere freak of the week was. Six months ago you had a point, not when fucking Pierce Morgan and Megan Kelly are talking about him.
>Just my two cents.
Those must be wooden pennies because it's utterly worthless.

>>34291841
>I don't care about what you think
>That's why I typed a reply about how much I don't care several hours later, to let you know how much I don't care

OP if nothing else consider the only people who are totally trashing the dating apps are the people who were totally unsuccessful on them. That might not be your experience.

Also I can guarantee those people are just as unsuccessful in real life, and just use "well it's better to approach women IRL" as a crutch and a cope because like the men they admonish, they've never actually done that either but convince themselves the fact that they haven't failed yet means they wouldn't (they'll never find out).

>>34291850
I just can't imagine your outlook has lead to much fulfillment, regardless of experiences on or off dating apps. You wouldn't be tearing into people here otherwise - whether that be me, or other anons I'm assuming you have unnecessarily confrontational exchanges with.

I see you using terms like sperg, Jew, ELO, and using internet-born number scales to evaluate attractiveness. It just says a lot. Despite being critical of guys like Tate, you've allowed yourself to be influenced a lot by them. That's what these spaces do to people.

I was just offering my personal experience as advice. That's all I can do. I wasn't 'spouting bullshit'.

>>34291856
Ehh that's a bit of a strawman

>my spidey sense is telling me that everyone i disagree with is a liar

>>34291856
>OP if nothing else consider the only people who are totally trashing the dating apps are the people who were totally unsuccessful on them. That might not be your experience.
any 20 something who can be successful on the apps would SLAY just socializing and picking up women

apps are for 30+ when there's genuinely no way to meet people because there's so few people left and everyone's busy

Apps can work but most users are going to play the game as intended to be played by the devs

>>34291864
>I see you using terms like sperg
We've been using that since before you were swimming in your daddy's ballsack
>ELO
Are you serious? You think this a PUA redpill manosphere thing? ELO/Elo is a decades-old ranking system used for everything from chess to sports to you guessed it, dating apps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
>The Elo rating system has been noted in dating apps, such as in the matchmaking app Tinder, which uses a variant of the Elo rating system.
>using internet-born number scales to evaluate attractiveness
You can find political cartoons from the 1920s where people rank each other's looks out of 10
>I was just offering my personal experience as advice. That's all I can do. I wasn't 'spouting bullshit'.
You just spouted a lot of bullshit and made yourself look like an ignorant fucking fool.
>That's what these spaces do to people.
The fact that you associated all of these things that did not come from the internet in the first place, whatsoever, with modern internet culture, proves to everyone who sees this you are far more terminally online than me. Maybe anyone ITT.

>>34292099
I'm 35, anon. And somehow I don't think you arrived at ELO thru chess club. Correct me if I'm wrong. Ditto with a lot of your lingo. You have a lot of the usual talking points (i.e. 'there's historical precedent!'), but it's pretty evident which communities put their ideas into your head.

>>34289797
That's because he found the one right :)

>>34291541
the people you are describing barely exist at all lmao

>>34289797
Bumble app is okay, just try to actually fill out your profile very well. Its just a patience thing, eventually you'll find someone. As a femanon some advice, take nice pics and don't just break up at the first argument, or lie about your political/spiritual beliefs. Girls always find out.

>>34291485
It's compensation for an empty/insecure self. Not always but often.

>>34292099
>The Elo rating system has been noted in dating apps, such as in the matchmaking app Tinder, which uses a variant of the Elo rating system.
Well I've never come across ELO on Tinder. How are you even aware of this?

>>34292338
I actually was in chess club and my biggest regret is not fucking the Ghanan upperclassman who was probably into me
At any rate you're a biological male taking the chiding tone of a middle aged woman to try to comfort yourself for your own failed existence. I'd suggest you actually go do something.
>>34294606
>Well I've never come across ELO on Tinder. How are you even aware of this?
Uh, because I've done projects implementing ranking methods? Because I'm not a retard and I had a STEM education?

>>34294566
Eh, you're probably right. First and only hot girl I ever fucked I realized was not worth.
Just gotta stop being an NPC and falling for Goth GF memes but let's be fair there is clearly a universal appeal for dark hair, dark eyes, abnd bone white skin wrapped around curves

>>34295119
Why do women talk like this

>>34291692
>just pay for dating apps you stupid goy

Sincerely fuck off Schlomo. Also ELO is a relatively new implementation when it comes to dating apps introduced by Match once they took over them. Coincidentally that's also when dating apps went to complete shit. Instead of wasting $50 on dating apps for a measly 2% chance of getting a match instead of 0%, trying socializing and hitting on women IRL and save the $50 for the dates themselves.

>inb4 you're just mad because you haven't gotten laid off apps

Got laid off them plenty. Still a waste of time and money not to mention that the girls you get on apps are 99% guaranteed to be way less hot than the girls you could pull IRL. Been the case for literally every single guy I know who has used apps especially now with Gen Z girls who don't really like using apps.

Dating on the net is full of scammers and fat fucks. Go at your own risk.

>>34289797
What about your late 30s

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>>34291231
>money
Most dating apps are free

>>34291295
Idk, I'm all those but fat.
Also got a nasty case of manchild face going on.

The only reason anyone's looking at me is because of my haircut, my outfits, the fact I don't smell like shit, and I floss and brush everyday, hoping halitosis doesn't bother anyone.

>>34291248
> Lots of younger women have 30 set as the max age on their filters so unless you lie about your age they won't even see you.
The stable ones, to be specific. I've matched/hooked up with plenty of early and mid 20s girls and I wouldn't describe any of them as being stable. They seem to normalize in late 20s.

>>34297521
lose the fat, work out and your hormones will balance out, you will lsoe your manchild then
eZ pussy for you then

For me at least, it is. You can't change bad facial features, and that's the first thing women are going to see on my profile.

>>34289797
they are great if you have it easy irl. the userbases lean heavily towards men, e.g. tinder is 84% men, and 16% women, and that 16% is dropping.

>>34300553
I wonder how many accounts are just bots.

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>>34291248
>In general this is you last chance for casual dating and just fucking around with women for fun anyway.

What a retarded ass mindset. Unless you're in some bumfuck village were everyone is actually married after a certain point, disregard this entirely. And even then a ton of people split up in their 40s, the times where people got thrown on a pyre for breaking up are long over.

>>34304905
>t. forever fuckboi
>t. gonna get his ass beat by black nurse in the retirement home
>t. gonna die alone

>>34304918
>t. forever fuckboi
Yeah I've seen the couplings that result from people with your mindset desperately scarmbling to find someone before 30. Not a pretty sight. Not having part of that.
>t. gonna get his ass beat by black nurse in the retirement home
Tell it to my parents, who both found greta new partners in their 60s after splitting up. No one gives a crap about your mewling.
>t. gonna die alone
We all die alone, cucky. Ever had a family member die with everyone theatralically holding their hand and shit? Nope, because thats not how it goes IRL.

>>34289797
I'm 30 and I normally have a good amount of success with them because I'm slim, fit, and am effectively a grown up version of an emo.
my biggest problem is the emotional drain from it all. I'm not on any app atm and have been goin steady with someone I met OLD but the process of getting there is exhausting. it's a lot of texting, ghosting, dates that go nowhere, getting your hopes up, but that's a part of playing the game

>>34304950
>the emotional drain from it all

hitting on women IRL was pretty stressful at first, but I'm glad it allows me to avoid that. It was never draining.
>texting, ghosting, dates that go nowhere, getting your hopes up
All that happens too, but far less frequently I think. If a woman is willing to talk to you and meet you, all you need to do is not fuck it up. Thats very, very different when meeting strangers off the internet.