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Over 40 with v-card. Never dated. I feel like sex and relationships seem distance and inaccessible for me. Like I could never do it because something is broken in me. I have little self-esteem, but I overcame a problem with anger outbursts. I see the happy couples and feel as if I am something inhuman and invalid because I won't/can't do what they can. My thoughts turn inward to invalidate me, bringing suicide ideation with them. It seems like my life is doomed. That I'm unworthy, alien, and a freak. Despite my interests, I often feel empty.
I'm kinda at a lost about what to do. I attend therapy, take meds for my Bipolar Disorder, and found sonething like a balance that I never had. It helps, but there's something lacking/missing.
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>>34300315
Thruke coming up.
Nobody will help you. Nobody gets anything from helping you, solutions people suggest are never fit for your problem.
You have a complex problem, you have no means to claim responsibility to anyone, you have no leverage for anyone to answer for it.
Your life is already spent. You will never amount to your own expectations even if someone artificially started passing resources to you.
You could pinpoint the point in your life where the problem started, but you have no means to change it. The past is unreachable. None of the things said above can be changed.
You could change yourself, if it were possible for you to find the determination to stop being who you are. Said process comes with a cost, usually seeing things less optimistically, more strategically, more fake. It's irreversible and it involves doing things you hate or fear. You could change if you accepted that cost, but nobody knows if you have it in you to do it. You're the only person who knows how far can you push back.
I'll point you into the starting line if you want to choose that. Stop pressuring yourself. Stop talking back, stop thinking. Whatever you think works for you, stop doing it. Whenever you're in doubt, start feeling, focus on your sensations. Your guiding tenets should be "Stop if you're gonna cause harm", and "Offer your help to the people in front of you". Your first goal should be "Find someone to care about and share your time with them".
This is the starting line. I can't give you the entire road along because I don't know it either, so you will have to open your senses and find a direction that feels the most happy going towards. The people, friends and wives will he flowers you pick along that road, but they only bloom in that one foggy road.
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>>34302209
Thanks for a realistic answer. I do need to change a lot and I see that my life is mostly over. I'll do what I can if I find the will and courage. If not, I will put myself on a plate because I'll be cooked.
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>>34302236
The post you replied to is a bunch of nonsense. Just throw yourself into things, seek out places/hobbies/whatever that gets you into contact with women and start asking them out.
Listening to your feelings is good advice though. If you feel afraid of something, that is a definite sign that you should do it (unless its objectively dangerous). Use your fears (of women and social situations) as a pathway.
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>>34300315
My eldest brother is still a virgin at the age of 45. Meanwhile I got the wife and kids and had plenty of relationships. And if there's one thing I can genuinely say 'till the day I die is he's a better man than I am. I looked up to him as a kid, and I look up to him even now. Half the reason I was able to find success in my life is because I modelled some of my personality after him back when I was very young. To this day he remains one of the best men I know. An amazing brother, a diligent son to my parents, and now an excellent uncle to my children.
My point is just because you feel you lack in one single area of life does not mean you are condemned in every area of life. So this idea that you are unworthy or alien or a freak is completely bullshit. Your feelings behind them aren't bullshit but the thoughts that come out of them, discard them as they will only impede you.
>I'm kinda at a lost about what to do. I attend therapy, take meds for my Bipolar Disorder, and found sonething like a balance that I never had. It helps, but there's something lacking/missing.
Yes it's called purpose. When you have all your eggs in a basket and you got some of the cards together, you need to play your hand. And the question is: For what? For who? Who was greater purpose? That's the missing piece.
In other words what you seek is someone to share your new found balance with, a mate. A partner, a lover, a best friend. That's normal and is considered a need for humans everywhere. Right up there with shelter and safety and warmth, human connection is essential. Humans use isolation as a form of torture for a reason bro. It's because no connection = insanity eventually.
Because sure not to fall for narcissistic kool aid or advice in your journey. It sounds like "You are your own purpose. Love yourself, only be for your self and be your own reason for happiness."
People who say this are lying to you and themselves. They are never actually fulfilled people at all
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>>34302304
>People who say this are lying to you and themselves
Bullshit. Its because between a "best friend, lover partner" yadda yadda and being completely isolated, theres many different degrees. Such as casually dating a woman or two just to get your feet wet and see who fits you and who doesn't. Such as simply having friends , a social circle to back you up independet of any relationship. A good relationship to your family, if applicable and possible. And so on.
As a matetr of fact, desperately scrambling to not be alone and then centering your entire world around whatever person you scrounge up is a horrible way to live life, and often ends in either desaster or misery.
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>>34302236
Godspeed anon. Know you're not alone in this, I'm as lost as you but I'm still moving forward. One day you will be the one moving and another lost soul will be inspired by you. No matter how shit this world is, everything will work out fine from the merit of our good souls. They're just muddied from bad experience but we'll shine through.
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>>34300315
>Continued
You said you're Bipolar. I am not Bipolar but I can tell you something: If I had the Jekyll & Hyde disorder where for three months I become death itself in an abysmal low, only to become a manic and euphoric god-man three months later, I would feel the following:
>"I cannot allow other people to get too close. I am a mercurial monster who will only terrify anyone who sees me".
That's what I would fear. And I would fear this so much I would probably avoid getting close with people, in friendships and especially love and sex and long term relationships. Because I'd fear what they would think of me if they saw me oscillate from Heaven & Hell in my moods non stop, I'd be terrified they'd not see the real me trapped underneath and brand me as a freak. I'd also fear that if I somehow were able to fake stability or somehow out my Bipolar into management, that if I married and had kids, one bad day is all it would take for me to destroy everything and hurt people I love somehow.
If that is your fear, or your hang up that has prevented you from forming connection, know this:
There are people who don't mind. People who know the terms of what having a Bipolar partner entails and they accept it, all of it, and they still choose to love them. Because love is a choice, and it's the other person's choice to make. And by hiding yourself away from others you presume to know what choices they would make it should make (abandoning you, rejecting you). And that's not fair, not to you and not to others. Because you're not other people, you're you. And if someone chooses to love you, let them.
But they can't do that if you remain in hiding.
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>>34302311
>As a matetr of fact, desperately scrambling to not be alone and then centering your entire world around whatever person you scrounge up is a horrible way to live life, and often ends in either desaster or misery.
It doesn't end in disaster or misery, it ends in no longer being alone. That's sort of the point. Trying to act above base emotions such as loneliness is posturing weak shit, prideful pretense. Nobody wants to feel unlovable, that's just bottom line. And I am saying that if OP ever encounters people who try to sell him the vanity feminized new age 'self love' shit he should ignore them. Every single person I've ever met who professed self love was also simultaneously their own biggest hater. It's batshit
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>>34302326
I'm not big on self-love, especially not the narcissistic kind. Somehow I believe that no one should love themselves, but give and receive it. I feel so little from the illusion of self-love as though it were some selfish and empty delusion. I deeply desire to love and be loved, but I did build a fortress around my heart since I know I can be hurt and also hurt someone else. Marriages can turn into bitter rivalries, and I am male, so if shit fell apart, it's likely my ass that goes down in flames. It would trigger a depression that puts me at a greater risk of suicide. I fear a lot, but acknowledge the good that may come about if I open up and let someone in.
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>>34300782
Dude, fuck that shit. Go fuck some hookers, you are 40 years old, you need to cum in some europussy. You sit here bitching about how suicidal you supposedly are, but won't even consider the easiest way to make yourself feel good.
>>34302236
Not really, even at 40 you have another 40 years left, easy. What is the worst that could happen? You get AIDS? Eh, your life was shit enough as it was and not going to happen if you go to a good hooker place. You might get syphillus or ghonny, but that's a few shots of penicillin. And if you get arrested?
What do you do for income?
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>>34302659
I don't want any STIs and I don't care how much action I miss not banging whores.
I work in production making what I'll just call "explosives for a non-lethal purpose." I'm not banking it bigtime, but I can support myself with extra for wants, all within reason. I don't want to lose money to whores, escorts, or dates with narcissistic bitches that think men are lucky just to be in their presence.
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>>34300315
Your OP pic should've been this.
>>34302228
Sadly true although maybe not inside your age group. Most women in their 20s and 30s sleep around or have slept around. Gone are the days of waiting until marriage unless you add religion into the mix and even then they're probably lying about their past. It's sad.
Euro chicks are less likely to have an STD when a brothel or prostitution is legal in their country. They have to have standards of health checkup paperwork and if the place is any good it vets it's clients and will ask for your health checkup paperwork. I wouldn't go to a place that doesn't check me to make sure I don't have an STD that I could pass on to one of their girls.
Oh, and if you are suicidal over this ever. Congrats, you have nothing to lose and it won't matter if you get an STD first. Think about life and regrets. Are you going to regret going to a prostitute more or are you going to regret living all your life as a virgin? If you'd regret the prostitute idea more, than don't go to one. This doesn't mean that you can go try dating.
Everything is online now. People don't meet in person anymore. The reason you're single is because you aren't making opportunity for yourself. I wouldn't place blame on bipolar, but rather that you aren't putting yourself out there. I'd say get online and try dating so long as you know that your bipolar meds are working. If you have friends or family, I'd also ask them and your doctor to make sure that the meds are working. Getting an outside perspective of your own behavior from people who know you very well could be very helpful. If you decide to try dating, you should disclose that you take medication bipolar disorder as soon as possible. It can be rougher on the other person if they aren't aware and disclosing this allows them to decide if they can deal with it and help you in case you have an episode. Not everyone is a right fit.
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>>34303356
I think I would regret messing with prostitutes more than remaining a virgin. As for online dating, I am wary of romance scammers and other scum who will do all they can to ruin everything. A big part of all this is figuring out what to do. If nothing else, I have plenty of other reasons to live on that don't depend on other people. As nice as it would be to share a life with someone else, I've gone without for a very long time. It might be that I've become too accustomed to my singleness and sexual inexperience. I don't know exactly. If I have nothing to lose and there's no hope, I know what's coming, and it will be me writing everything off to say a final goodbye. No one (save for the worst of humanity) deserves to be left out in the cold like where I put myself. It can all be over in a muzzle flash.
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>>34300315
I don't have enough information to give you sound advice so here is what I suggest with the informal information I have now:
1. Stop masturbating. Your sex drive is there to force you to pursue the opposite sex. That post nut clarity is your enemy. You want pre nut delusions is your ticket to courage. If the only way you can orgasm is with a girl your motivation will be through the roof.
2. I think you have some body image issues. If you feel overweight/underweight. Work on it. Find a buddy and workout together. Find someone who looks like you want and is close to the same age. Ask them what they do to stay in shape and copy them. You won't feel like you can succeed if you don't look successful. Feel good naked or else you won't want anyone else to see you naked.
3. Stop focusing on the big picture with sex and relationships. Focus on small steps. Ask a female friend to coffee. Ask someone for their number. Throw a party and invite acouple of girls. Go speed dating somewhere. Facebook friend a girl and message them. Just do the little things consistently and the big picture will take care of itself.
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>>34300315
>Never dated.
What were you doing 20-25 years ago during the peak myspace years?
My high school years were all trash except for the last few months leading to graduation, I was a loner who hung out with other loners & most girls had already decided I was undatable by the first week of grade 7 but thank to this thing called the internet we just got at my house I was able to meet random girls from across town who went to alternative high school and had piercings.
MSN chat rooms and MSN messenger too.
I know those things and those days are gone, but back then just like now I just go out seeking girls that share my same interests and lifestyle.
Mostly anyone who's into alternative music like punk or goth or anything rave, or even jazz. There's music festivals all year round, record stores, smaller music venues that double as bars & cafés.
I'm also into movies and literature as well and again there's plenty of stores to hang out at and a few festivals or conventions a year as well. Same with anime.
Basically, if you're out enjoying yourself doing things you enjoy you always have the possibility of meeting women, and you're not stuck in awkward situations where you show up to a thing you don't enjoy only to try and meet women. When you're relaxed and enjoying yourself you're much more approachable and charismatic.
I have some friends who are way into card games like MtG and tabletop RPGs and board games, they met girls that way.