if you're chad, go ahead
however, you most likely aren't since you're writing this, I'd avoid risking a sexual harassment charge desu
anyways
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#MeToo

>>34411413
cont.
28% of young women now consider men even winking at them to be sexual harassment

Women's definition of 'harassment' in online dating depends on the attractiveness of the man

The attractiveness of a male 'harasser' determines if the experience is enjoyable or traumatic

Attractiveness determines perceptions of guilt or innocence in cases of sexual harassment

Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently 'creepier' than women

Women permit 'creepy' behavior from attractive but not unattractive men

27% of men report avoiding one-on-one meetings with female work colleagues

Men are equally likely as women to be victims of violent crime

Any sex a woman has while intoxicated can be defined as rape by a man under US law

As many US men report being 'forced to penetrate' each year as women report being raped

More teenage boys are victims of 'partner directed violence' than teenage girls

Many adult men are victims of intimate partner physical violence

>>34411413
>>34411422
This is... enlightening to say the least. I didn't want to risk losing my job or getting a warning a from my manager in case she decided to report me or if one of them caught me in the middle of the act. I just don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. This has been on my mind since last wednesday.

>>34411405
Ask her if she wants to hang out sometime. If she says yes, give her your number.
Ignore the incel wiki.

>>34411588
lmao

>>34411588
It's kind of too late for that because our third interaction was likely the last I'll ever see her. Honestly, I don't think I had a chance anyway. She was just showing basic kindness, and that incel stuff may have a kernel of truth to them. The only way for me to contact her is by calling her, but that's unprofessional and weird.

If I ever get into this situation again, what should I do or say if I'm interested in her or another customer.

>>34413594
>>34411588
>>34411676
>that incel stuff may have a kernel of truth to them.
Those stats are cherrypicked specifically to demoralize you.

>>34411422
Demotivational bait

>>34411676
>she was just showing basic kindness
Women are businesslike to strangers they aren’t attracted to, not kind.

>>34413706
Yes, but I'm not an attractive man. It has been almost 15 months since I've had a haircut. My teeth are mostly straight, but I've got a gap between my two front teeth. I'm 5'11", but most women are more attracted to men who are taller than me. The only good thing about me is my voice because it's deeper than the average man's voice, but that's it. Physically, I'm a 3/10 skinny fat dude.

>>34411490
I'm 35, married, very successful with women. Normally I never advise asking women for advice, but in this case it could be an in. Ask her for dating advice, like where to go, where to meet, etc. Do not indicate interest in her, and what she'll do, because that's all women know, is describe things she does and where she hangs out. She might even invite you out to a FRIEND gathering. Your goal is gathering Intel because you are a sperg that can't flirt, so you go out to learn how. You have to be cool, and she has to obviously be comfortable with you or you'll blow your chances of anything.

Don't shit where you eat.

>>34413772
Yes, but be careful with this. OP doesn't know the distinction and probably has no game.

>>34413772
Some people are just kinder than others. It's possible that her seeing me a couple times might've made her friendlier towards me, but I'm not the kind of person to believe that she might've been interested in having a conversation with me off of just that. Plus, the first time I called her about the book, she said she's at work, so I didn't want to waste her time with small talk or attempting to flirt with her.

>>34414513
Any woman worth your time is going to be able to accept that you aren't a supermodel. You have a say in whether or not you're fat, also.

I'm 5'11" as well and have to say that you're kinda getting in your own head with regards to height.
You're probably very average looking. Ditch the out of ten brainworms; they will do you no favors.

>>34414527
The problem is that she's already gone. As I said, my only way of contacting her is by calling her because her number is stuck in my head for some dumb reason, but I'm not going to call her with my cellphone or the work phone to set up a date with her. That's extremely odd behavior.
I'm guessing what you're saying is that I should've tried to come off as casual as I possibly could've to see if she'd be willing to invite me to go out with her as a friend?

>>34411405
I would give him my number
the engineers are sexy

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>>34411405
>In my case, I kept it professional throughout all three interactions and we only talked about an order she made. She told me to take one of the books she ordered, so I took the one that wasn't done correctly and that was that. I still remember her phone number, but I'm not a creep. I can't help, but feel that I should've tried act a little more casual with her.
i think instead of going straight to asking for her number, you should try and push the next 1 or 2 interactions to be more casual, u know?
then if she responds well, ask her

probably best chances that way


i dare not read the schizophrenic bullshit in the rest of this thread
good luck OP

>>34414561
I understand that, but I don't think I have any qualities that any women could find interesting. I say I have a pretty decent voice, but maybe only one woman between the age of 18-29 has complimented my voice. This is all on me, of course, so I don't blame them. I also don't think they'd want to date a guy in retail.

>>34414596
They're tall, built like Greek gods, and are very intelligent. I am neither of these, but maybe the physique is somewhat obtainable after several years of lifting.

>>34414646
I think so. Also your writing/typing style actually sounds pretty smart to me.

Their hairless + pale + futuristic/mythic look is very beautiful as well I think

>>34414689
>I think so. Also your writing/typing style actually sounds pretty smart to me.
That's a first, but thanks.
>Their hairless + pale + futuristic/mythic look is very beautiful as well I think
Like a "what if" humanity ventured out into the stars and terraformed a couple planets or so, and this is result of our bodies adapting to space or the new worlds some us of inhabited. Then again, they're basically fathers of humanity, so it makes sense for us to be a chip off the ol' block

>>34414741
Yeah exactly
There needs to be more movies and media about mythical stuff like that, like angels too

>>34414757
There's Avatar, I guess, but movies about angels would be pretty neat. It might be hard to separate them from God, which might be a reason why we don't that many movies about them. We also don't have much info about them except for maybe Lucifer.

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>>34414597
>you should try and push the next 1 or 2 interactions to be more casual, u know?
If she ever comes by again, I'll try to be more casual. I just don't want to make a woman feel uncomfortable. I dread the thought of doing or saying something that comes off as creepy. Thanks.

>>34414579
Yes, I'm saying forget about anything romantic because it can blow up in your face, namely you met her, while you were in the capacity of an employee so you want to avoid coming across as a creep. So your best bet is attempting friendship, and associating with other women like her friend group. You would be in a different environment, not acting as an employee, and avenues for casual conversation would be naturally available. Secondary, you would be able to get a better feel for her without straight up hitting on her in a way that would weird her out, "Uh yeah, I just kept your number from the order..."

In a sane world two adults could have that conversation and move on, but in this world I'm assuming you don't have the tact.

You would be communicating not to be invited out with her as a friend necessarily, but as a single dude looking for advice, and see what she gives you. You want to set up a lot more opportunities than asking, "Are you single?", would give you because that line could be a dead end.

I'm 5'10" ~180lbs, hard labor physique by the way, and have bedded several women taller than me. At 5'11" you're well above the threshold of what women consider short. I'm also good looking enough that women will stare and check me out, so I have a few things in my favor. My wife thought I was homeless because of how I was dressed at the time. My point is, don't get hung up on height or looks. A calm demeanor, humor, kindness, CHARM go a long way. The number one thing women comment on is my charm. Being charming is a state of being, a way of life. Develop that and you're ahead of 99% of the population. Retail should give you lots of practice.

>>34415438
This makes sense to me. I've heard that a lot of romantic relationships started off as platonic, but as you said, I shouldn't be thinking about romance. In general, how can I avoid being seen as just a friend? I know I shouldn't immediately tell her or other women that I find her or them attractive, but I wouldn't be want to be stuck in that zone. I mean, I'll accept it if that happens and move on, but I'm guessing that it may have something to do with her or them finding me attractive or not. It's still an opportunity, and I could become a little more confident with women afterwards.
>Retail should give you lots of practice.
Retail has given me some confidence, but I'm still a shy person, however, I've noticed the difference between when I first started and now. I do feel as if my job and my financial status would make me less attractive to women around my age or a little younger or older(mid twenties).

>>34414527
For all of human history the wife helped the husband with labor. You should look for a wife where you work frankly.

Your wife probably calls another dude boss right? I have bad news Mr. Good With Women. Lmao

>>34414579
Yea leave it alone and hope she comes back. If not there are literal billions of women and the vast majority become unrecognizable fat bags after a while. Enjoy life right now bro.

>>34417777
Nice quads. I just don't get out much because it's expensive to go out these days.

>>34417622
Financial status does not matter. You can avoid being seen as just a friend by being attractive. Learn to rizz. That's what I'm saying. Focus on the rizz and every thing else falls into place. Be a student of charisma and manliness.

>>34417771
Goofy reasoning, but it'll work. Other interests work better, like biking, or dogs, or psychedelics, whatever.

My wife doesn't have a yob. Her work is the dwelling and children. I'm her "boss". I'll take the last laugh this time.

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>>34415097
np
>I just don't want to make a woman feel uncomfortable. I dread the thought of doing or saying something that comes off as creepy. Thanks.
don't worry too much about it
the WAY you talk/act is more important than anything else, not really what ur talking about..
that's why people say "have confidence", mainly

but it's already a good sign she showed up more than once & acted normal, if she got creeped out she wouldn't have come back

ur not gonna freak her out i don't think

>>34418531
Confidence requires the knowledge and ability to back it up. Otherwise it's a cringey facade.

>>34417771
There are only two girls at my workplace and one of them is 16 years old, while the other is possibly 17 years old. There was one other young woman who worked here, but she was quite cold and quit about 3 months ago. She had a lot on her plate, so I understand why she didn't want to chat most of the time.

>>34411405
If you just want sex, pay a prostitute. If you're in love, give up, you'll lose your job.

>>34420171
I wouldn't want my first time to be with a prostitute, and I wouldn't try to hang out with a customer unless the relationship has clearly evolved past a customer/associate kind of relationship. If I'm not having a having a conversation that isn't about business, then I wouldn't attempt to go further than that, unless the customer willingly goes to that direction or they're receptive enough for me to compliment them. Emotions are illogical and it suck sometimes, I guess.

>>34411422
>28% of women
>27% of men
Polls are fucking retarded, and you're retarded for thinking they produce realistic or accurate numbers.

>>34418531
She only showed up three times because because her order was done incorrectly 3 times. It'll be a while before I see her again.

>>34418529
>Financial status does not matter.
Not sure if that's true because women seem to place a higher importance on a potential partner's income. YMMV, but it seems to be a general rule with some exceptions here and there. I don't even have a degree yet and women are more reluctant to dating a man who is less educated than they are, too. I don't fault them for that.

A little unrelated, but is a pub a decent place to socialize?

>>34423646
Maybe. Some have game nights and stuff that are geared towards encouraging socializing which all work great for "ice breaking". Personally, I think they're too loud to the point trying to engage in conversation is exceptionally taxing, but other people will be there for the same reason you are.

>>34422360
If you're talking OLD, yes. The closer they get to 30-35 more concerned they are. Meeting in person and being charismatic gets passed all those hurdles. Also, when it comes to "apps" and such women turn their requirements and pickyness up to 11.

>>34426054
I'm 25. At least 50% of the women around my age range are probably thinking of having kids by 30 or 31 at the latest. My 10 cents above minimum wage check is unattractive to them, and hell, I don't even I have my own place yet. I obviously should try to make more money which is why I want to go back to school, but it's demoralizing to know that dating is much more difficult in my circumstance. Thinking about it now, she probably wouldn't want much to do with a guy who is basically the company's equivalent of a grunt. She probably makes more anyway.

A work buddy of mine recommended me to buy a drink at a local pub that he likes, and I've thought about going there a few times, but I'm pretty anxious when I'm at a social outing by myself. He's got a girlfriend, so I don't want to bother him or any other friend into joining me for a drink.

Thanks for the second opinion, guys. It's too late to say anything to her now, but I'll try to keep the advice I received in mind for the future.