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Thread for discussing coffee and coffee related topics.
Why isn't coffee in the Olympics Edition
If you're new and confused, start here:
https://pastebin.com/UEzwuyLz
If you're old and confused, co-ferments are just flavored coffees
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>>21898080
where is McDonald's on that tree? It's probably the most common coffee in the world. It should have its own tag
it's also the only coffee in north America that doesn't bother my Crohn's disease asshole.
all the coffee I had in Asia was totally ok.
very interesting
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>>21898390
ops image isnt really correct.
or at least is formatted wrong
it makes it look like arabica is the core of the tree and everything comes from it
but really robusta comes from rubiaceae just like arabica does.
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>>21898390
You have to look at the key. Robusta is canephora
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>>21898559
it literally isnt but ok
its simply badly formatted
i can read it fine if i zoom in and focus on it
its light grey and grey on dark grey
its basically invisible
it didnt see any lines connecting the colored boxes until i zoomed in and looked closer
is shouldn't have to do that
and without the borderline invisible line from canephora it looks like robusta is a sub species of arabica because its higher and farther to the side on the tree than arabica.
also arabica literally has a line from canephora but the key says that canephora related species are colored purple or lavender
yet arabica has a red border and no color
its all fucked
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>>21898599
>also arabica literally has a line from canephora but the key says that canephora related species are colored purple or lavender yet arabica has a red border and no color its all fucked
So you're just unable to read then.
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Do you drink the hotel coffee?
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Just bought some ground coffee for my french press for the first time in a while (I don't have a coffee grinder)
Yeah it's nicer than the instant slop I usually drink but instant coffee is so much easier to make
Maybe I should just buy pic related which is still instant coffee but tastes better than cheaper ones
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I've been consooming new coffee gear the past few months
>Gaggiuino upgrade for my espresso machine
>Melo Drip for pourover
I really like fruity natural coffees from Ethiopia/Yemen. The roaster by me has some amazing Yemen coffee brewed in a Orea Z1 brewer [flat bottom] and it's some of the best coffee I've ever had.
Should I buy a Z1 brewer?
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>>21898080
this is a very nice chart and nice history, they forgot the biggest event of them all tho: when coffe from Yemen was exported to the Ottoman Empire. this is when coffee culture started, the habit of sitting together and sipping coffee. Western europeans copied from the Ottomans.
when the Ottoman empire lost Yemen, the shock was so big that they started drinking tea, and they still do.
so before the smuggle to India they should have put something about the global influence of Ottoman coffee culture.
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>>21898850
If you are going the instant route, I tried this when it was an ALDI find and found it enjoyable.
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>>21899079
i cant speak to the z1 myself, but if you dont have a flat bottom dripper and you enjoy natural processed coffee, i would absolutely recommend getting one. they can pull this lovely sweetness out of a coffee that can be tricky to find with a conical, especially when combined with a drip assist. i can recommend the kalita wave, personally. but the z1 is probably an excellent product, and you already know you like the coffee it can make
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>>21899230
>How often am I wrong?
wrong about what?
you didnt make a claim about anything
>You've been getting worse again.
and you say this as a way to manipulate and control the conversation to avoid personal accountability
my posts from years ago live rent free in your head and i dont think about you at all.
and even if it was a genuine sentiment its not even true because I've hardly been posting here this year.
and my blog posting is down like 70% last 12 months.
you also haven't been posting much either.
hope everything's alright :)
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sippin on a natchy nicaraguan from one of my locals and DAMN is it good
fokkin J00CY brah
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I was nearby a couple times and there was like a 20 person line that wasn't moving, don't know why people go through with that shit. it's not like tokyo lacks for great coffee shops. you can even do covert if you want the "have someone talk you through picking a coffee" meme
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>>21899844
Rat girls love black coffee
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decently accurate notes
it was mid but then i just tried going very coarse, high agitation, many pours
and now the flavor comes out.
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New hoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGf7mtfhOFM
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>>21900450
more like monke pot
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>>21900450
i dont like this new hyper scripted hyper produced hoffmann
he got a taste the last couple years and has gone all in
his old style was much classier and refined honestly.
he has this "corporate toddler" way of speaking now.
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>>21900450
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGf7mtfhOFM
If this ever hits the market why would I buy it instead of an espresso machine?
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>>21900747
I lost a lot of respect for Hoffmann when he deleted his JimSeven blog and starting pushing youtube hard. He bills himself as a coffee/science educator but then deletes a massive source of information that isn't really anywhere else.
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>>21902031
https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/manufacture/?type=1
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>>21902037
https://global.hario.com/product/coffee/dripper/VDTI.html
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first cup in a long time
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thoughts, /ck/?
https://x.com/forestmanjohn/status/2023748742503964724
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>the caffeine anxiety just hit
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>>21902272
I'm rooting for the guy. It's definitely early prototype, but drip machines are laughably simple devices as far as consumer appliances go so it might actually be doable. Though I feel like something closer to pic related would be a more universal design that would suit both the normies that will just use the included carafe and brewer, and those wanting to explore different brewer options.
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Tried roasting my own coffee in my air fryer. I got a Black Friday deal on one of those french door fryers with a rotisserie motor built in, thought I'd try roasting coffee in a rotisserie drum.
>preheat fryer 450F for 2 minutes
>dump 200-250g beans in cold basket
>first crack at 9ish minutes
>pull around 18 minutes when i just started to hear second crack
>shake over sink for a minute to get rid of chaff
>cool on a tray and de-gas in a sack for 48 hours
>grind after 4-7 days sitting in a mason jar
The fryer maxes out at 450F but I don't think it really gets that hot. Probably between 435 and 445 which would make sense since I can't seem to get a dark roast. Also not really a fan of how much chaff gets stuck in the bean. Idk if I need to shake the basket more or roast longer.
Picrel is my last batch from Monday, I'm colorblind and can't tell if it's at a city roast or not. Can anyone tell from the photo?
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>>21904486
Even with the tumble I guess some beans just had more time under the fan from rng. This batch was 200g beans, my last one was 100g and I think the roast was more even, I should just do smaller batches from now on.
Thanks anon.
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I had a bag of powdered milk I wanted to use because it is getting out of best date, made it up and used it for the coffee. Made me sick.
I figured, must be the milk being too close to out of date even though it was in the closed bag the whole time I stored it in a cupboard.
Went to the shop today, threw out the powdered bag because it was trash day
>get sick again with the new milk
It sent me to the toilet in about 30 minutes, just awful. I figure it must be the water tank in the machine so I've just taken it apart to clean it and ran through hot water through the machine to flush it hopefully.
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Geisha or yellow bourbon?
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>>21904674
If you're brewing espresso the bourbon, otherwise gesha
>>21904726
great idea anon. Might be hard since tea has a pretty delicate flavor. still I think the woody camphor aroma of a shou pu erh would pair great with coffee.
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Acknowledged /ctg/entlemen. This cups for you.
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god i live for the rush of that first cup
the full body tingles and the warmth coursing through my veins
I LIVE
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>Absolutely do not order a Bunafr roaster. I am one of the original backers from their funding campaign years ago (getting close to 3 years), and they haven’t shipped a single production/certified unit… ever.
>We basically paid in to have Anjani Annumalla fiddle around on a project, go on a few vacations to visit coffee growers, attend a few trade shows, then ship a dozen or two uncertified prototypes - which seem to work for some, and have broken (and remain unfixed) for others. My guess (pure speculation) is that they didn’t fully understand what they got into, costs kept ballooning, they ran out of $ and now the tariffs killed them. They did 1-2 massive price increases for pre-orders, lied to the public and claimed they were shipping product and opened up for orders, then changed them to pre-orders months later - then once tariffs were announced this year, they started intimating possibly having to charge backers additional $ due to tariffs - which someone pulled up kickstarters policy and showed them wasn’t allowed - then they suddenly got really quiet. I think they’re out of $, and don’t have the $ to pay tariffs to even import these roasters into the US if they could ever even get them certified and manufactured.
grinder is weber workshops, which will at least give you a product
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I want to get into coffee, I own a stainless steel moka and a Nespresso machine. I've never tried AeroPress coffee, how do you compare the body to moka/nespresso machines', more watery or not? Should I buy it? Also how much should you pay per kg for quality coffe for everyday use (not the very unique specialty stuff)? Can I find decent beans for 30-40 euros/kg? I can put little money into it for now so I'll spend 70 bucks for a manual grinder and as much as I can for beans.
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>>21907282
Browsing the web/yt KINGrinder K2 seemed decent, 69 euros on amazon here. Ideally the K6 for 99 euros but I'm not sure of the quality gap. Also I'm using my little Venus 2 cups so idk how important the grinding is, since it's not espresso, I just know it has to be as uniform as possible, and from what I've heard that grinder should do.
I'm not planning to buy 1kg beans packs anyway, I'll try to taste as many as possible, so hopefully 250g packs, should I find a local roaster in my city?
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>>21907312
well you can always sell your old gear for new gear if you arent lazy
>should I find a local roaster in my city?
yeh or nearby
having to get it posted to you is fine if postage is cheap
also plan ahead, you want fresh coffee but it can be too fresh
you should wait 1-2 weeks post roast before opening a bag
so take that time into consideration.
also ignore tasting notes for the most part
you probably wont have the palate to taste what the notes say for a long time
also just because a bag says "espresso" or "filter" doesnt mean it can only be used for that.
its just a way to say "on the lighter side of what we offer" or "on the darker side of what we offer"
if there are good specialty roasters in your city see if they also have a cafe or sell their beans to a cafe in the area and taste their beans before you buy.
it can also give a good reference point for you when you dial in at home.
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>>21907360
Yes, I'm planning to visit a coffee shop and try their beans soon. I've only tried one specialty espresso in a coffee shop, tasted too sour for my taste, maybe I tasted some kind of fruits but could not tell which, and no bitterness at all (I'm used to the opposite), very strange but I prefer the bitterness over sourness.
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>>21907405
>strange but I prefer the bitterness over sourness.
then you probably wont like most of what specialty coffee has to offer as thats what is popular.
you could see if saka crema bar is available in your region. you will probably like that more.
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>>21907282
>grinder is more important than beans
I realize there was a time (over 20 years ago now) where grinders where underestimating the importance of grinders but its been so overblown now that people are saying the grinder is more important than the beans which is probably the dumbest fucking thing you could say.
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>>21907530
You might be able to argue that fresh well roasted specialty beans in a blade grinder is worse than stale shitty commodity robusta in an hg1 but thats such an extreme that its not even worth considering.
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>>21908893
99% of the comments say how their moka pot makes the same thing and anyone who buys this is retarded
the other 1% are genuinely interested
and for videos that have between 1-90 million views that 1% is alot
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>>21908825
Yes, as is the subject of the thread.
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>>21908909
>99% of the comments say how their moka pot makes the same thing and anyone who buys this is retarded
99% comments being humans in 2026? nice joke.
1% genuinely interested?
more like 99% moka pot bot posts, and 1% bots from the content uploader
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>>21909007
how do we know YOU'RE not a bot?
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>>21909023
how do I even know.
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>>21909769
Not really. There's some new harios coming out that should have a similar composition.
>Sibarist- Abaca + European Pine + PLA
>Hario Meteor - Abaca + PLA
>Cafec Abaca- Abaca
>Cafec - Wood Pulp
>>21909815
Lets you push extraction higher. Finer grinds, less clogging. Doesn't really work with "shittier" grinders though.
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>>21909815
because i dont want my water sitting around for any longer than it needs to be
sibarist fast filters can almost drain as fast as i pour
and if i want immersion then ill do immersion but if im not doing immersion then i dont want my grounds immersed in water.
another thing is that a low drain rate allows for water to build up and change the bed structure, which can cause fines to migrate to the bottom and cause clogging which stalls the drain rate even more.
even on a low fines producing grinder.
its hard to stick to a recipe when the drain rate changes mid brew
we already try to control as many variables as possible so why not drain rate too?
i also have other personal theories on how paper thickness affects taste but i haven't done enough testing yet.
if you think its stupid just get some yourself and try it out.
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as long as its not particularly dark, the bags are sufficiently well made, and you dont leave them in the sun or something like that, unopened coffee will be fine for months. but it really depends on what youve got. specialty roasters these days ship their (generally light roasted) coffee in foil lined bags with one-way valves that will prevent significant loss of volatile organic compounds for, like i said, at least a month if not more if unopened. but if youve got some dark roast in paper bags, that shits not gonna last longer than a couple weeks.
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Oh the meteors have wood pulp too.
>Made from paper, abaca, and polylactic acid
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>>21910197
hey, if you dont mind it, more power to you. it would be a shame to waste perfectly ok coffee if you can drink it. too much work goes into producing it to just toss it if you absolutely dont have to.
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I'm coming from commercial coffee, so I've only tasted what is probably very dark roasted garbage beans and I think that is the coffee flavour though, should I buy medium or dark roast specialty beans? I've tried a light roast in a cafè today and I didn't like the prevalent acidity/sourness and I've read those are prevalent in light roasts and they also tend to have zesty/citrusy notes, which I don't like. When reading tasting notes, the ones that intrigue me are "caramel, nutty, cocoa/chocolate, vanilla, dates", that's why I think I should buy dark roasts but people downgrade them, should I buy the same beans in medium and dark roast to taste the difference or is it not that different if the roaster is good at his job?
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Buy what you want to buy. If you like dark roasts get dark roasts but you should know most cafes are shit at making coffee so there is a good chance you just got some poorly brewed light roast. A little bit of acidity that is balanced can be found in some light and ultralight roasts but very few people are actually drinking straight up sour coffee. Mostly just "tea like" lance-loving retards. Citrus notes are also not typically. There are some coffees from some places that have citrus notes but its not even close to most of them. The thing with dark roasts is you are only tasting the roast not the origin. You can get a lot of those notes with medium or even light roasted coffees. A lot of Yemeni mokkas even when roasted light taste like a kinder country bar. Grains, chocolate, and creamy. I would say probably start off with some medium Central American coffees. Costa Rica maybe. Where are you ordering from?
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>Where are you ordering from?
No famous site, I'm browsing various local roasters sites here in Italy, like Bloom and Garage Coffee Bros, but it's hard to choose between light-roasts when most of them are described as floral/fruity/citrusy/bergamot.
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/ck/ slowly turning into retard faux-barista coffee product consumptionmaxxers from /ieg/ tier guerilla marketing campaigns is one of the funnier things I've had the privledge to witness. sometimes being a pattern focused turbo autist is alright.
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>heirloom
didn't see anything like that
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thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it
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Not sure if there's an anchor in the thread already - but I'm interested to hear your v60 techniques, especially if you think they're particularly unique
I just did a 10 x 30ml pour and it tasted better than I expected with my medium roast - I'm starting to think technique doesn't matter and it's just up to the coffee god(s)
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>>21911477
Normal specialty coffee roasters exist here too and they sell mainly light and medium roasts, it's a niche market in the end, the average burned coffee consumer will buy the commercial stuff from the supermarket.
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>>21911493
The only decent one (Nero Scuro) literally just closed because its incompatible with the italian market.
>sell mainly light and medium roasts
Of dogshit quality greens because Italy doesnt do good coffee. Stick to pounding robusta shots at the bar.
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>watch a coffee vlog in yt
>bean storage is transparent
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>>21911675
Also good greens have probably already been blasted with uv during analysis.
https://christopherferan.com/2020/03/14/under-the-blacklight/
>It frustrated the hell out of me to come to a realization part-way through my research: this shit was already known. It’s been in practice for decades, all over the world, and yet most coffee buyers regard it as myth or mysticism, like tarot, or worse, phrenology. But with every frustration, I’d find breadcrumbs and Reese’s pieces of truth leading me toward an answer.
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'ot 'e 'ew 'uppa
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>>21911803
uv light makes roasted coffee beans stale faster
but only 3% of uv light goes through glass(you need special glass to let more through)
so realistically it doesnt make a difference as only the beans touching the glass of the jar(beans further in would be protected) would be going stale marginally faster than in a opaque jar
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Glass blocks UV-B, UV-A is still getting through.
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