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>>153954551
>does D know
Assume he knows everything even when he says he doesn't actually because he's done that several times
>would he tell anyone
Depends on if he likes them, that's pretty much it. Kitten is not actually that trustworthy with fucking anything, he's a few bad days without D to become a fucking Dregvati for Markus's sake or to do satanic magicks to achieve anything, and the only real metric D has about relaying info is if he likes you. He doesn't actually care about spreading intel and his expertise, never did.
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>>153954349And I wanna see my seed dripping from her cunt
>>153954551
>Would he tell anyone about it if he did?
ahhahahahahhahahaahahahahahaha
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>>153954571
Some people have been making educated guesses
https://archiveofourown.org works/82694616/chapters/217700291
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>>153954601
>Kitten is not actually that trustworthy with fucking anything, he's a few bad days without D to become a fucking Dregvati for Markus's sake or to do satanic magicks to achieve anything
It's stunning how fan opinion of Kitten has plummeted as of late. I still can't decide if it's bad writing of a good character or good writing of a bad character.
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>>153955348
They've jammed the character arc into Hunter that he was supposed to have in TTS after he was resurrected.
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>>153955412
Eh, that would have made more sense since he would have had some actual brain rot from being a corpse and having his consciousness transferred into him again. This is more just some critical dependence.
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>>153955201
Yeah, honestly the woof plotline overall has been pretty weak overall. I mean I enjoyed the Arcanum stuff and seeing more of the other characters along with the new ones but over all I want to get back to the shit with the Camarilla and Kevin. I don't know how this will end but I have two ideas. They either rescue Marcus and get kicked out of the Arcanum again (for good this time) or they rejoin and help deal with the mess they got the chapter into. My money is on the latter since it will allow for more interaction with the characters like maybe some one on one with Kitten and Occam or him and D. Or maybe with Remold, I am curious how he would deal with Boy given that while in a rival family he is just a kid. Also I am not 100% if they will kill Mathilda, I mean she did kill Fatigue but they could pull the "his family's skinning woofs innit" and D can fake out kill her only to take her to the dungeon. Also the ghoul.
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Drawfriends, I’m requesting Blair:
-Milking and fingering Boy like
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=14167234&tags=femdo m+shota+age_difference+
-Or in Amazon position like
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12297886&tags=amazo n_position+shota+
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>>153955872
>but they could pull the "his family's skinning woofs innit"
That would just be treading the same sins of the father line as his episode, which would be a waste as it was trite enough the first go. I’d honestly rather it be a case of garou keeping to their habit of being on their own way as Matilda realizes that she killed what may have been the only person in the arcanum that might have advocated for letting her go despite her shenanigans. Lord knows Remold won’t be hearing anything of letting her live, nor would D or Kitten between the murder of Wernon and kidnapping of his Markus, or Door for that matter with his general “supernaturals get the rope” mentality. Hell, I don’t even think Boy would be in her corner given the whole Burgerman debacle being very recent.
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>>153955984
That's why Amanda is tagging along.
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>>153955984
Yeah but that's less what I want and more how I figure it may go. It could also be like >>153956012 says and Burgermart could step in and volunteer to be her tard wrangler. I mean I doubt it but anything is possible and Matty is an Expy from TTS.
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>>153956182
We have a whole other show just for Mage autism.
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>>153955984
>Lord knows Remold won’t be hearing anything of letting her live, nor would D or Kitten between the murder of Wernon and kidnapping of his Markus, or Door for that matter with his general “supernaturals get the rope” mentality. Hell, I don’t even think Boy would be in her corner given the whole Burgerman debacle being very recent.
I think it's a damn fucking shame they made it clear that the family knows D let Kevin live and are aware he's living with them, because I think it'd be intriguing to have a multi-plot throughline of D sparing and hosting multiple "representatives" from the various splats in the hopes that they'll join him and become part of his grand crusade, all while keeping his family in the dark about it because they wouldn't agree and would want to kill them on sight. Really hammer home the damage that D is doing to the trust between himself and his sons, you know?
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>>153955201
I'm fine with vamps and wolves as the main threats but I hope they keep shit like mages to Norfolk Wizard Game and other splats as mysterious or sideshow content. The Blue Man is a lot more interesting when he is a text box rather than fully animated, leaves more for the imagination.
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>>153956613
That actually would have been cool and been a good parallel to the Emperor. But at the same time it’s highly likely that his kids will be different flavors of supernatural being or beast. Marckus is going to either awaken or get imbued soon, Anton has most likely been made into a Redcap, Ross is absolutely a woof, Horse is a Demon, and I have heard people theorize that Door will become a wraith. As for the others only time will tell. I figure we will get a full Ross intro next before seeing either the Vulcan expy or maybe one of the one that didn’t get a proper intro, the Khan only showed up before it went on indefinite hiatus.
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>>153957079
In the scenario it could be that she is effectively dead and has nothing and nowhere left to go but feels bad and doesn’t just want to kill and if she doesn’t have rage she can’t transform as fast.
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>>153957225
Having a werewolf in harano around is also kind of a silly idea, it's just not a good idea to keep them as pets.
>even having lost the wolf (w5 thing) making them undergo great insult can bring it back
>harano doesn't mean they can't transform typically
>have another mouth to feed, often one that won't feed itself
Lot of work for no pay, unlike a vampire
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>>153954140
Crackpot theory before I go to bed
The grimal audio log is gonna include ape boy in some fashion
This comes from the fact that they are both different versions of the "cringe internet 30 something"
My theory is after her break up with kitten, her and ape boy got along through online chats over autsitc love of anime
They planned to link up IRL but the day when ape boy was going to meet, he got conked in the back of the head with a shovel and embraced. He died in june 5th 2005. One year before the events of episode 1
Reason he didn't try to contact her is because he fully embraced the sabbat life style which is why he larps so hard. (Side theory is the reason he roleplays so hard is because he used to do it online)
This probably factor into Grimal feeling that she's unwanted when it comes to romance
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Going off of >>153953889 I think this might be a fun idea for an audiolog. You know, if in the aftermath of the current situation, they're on thin ice with the Coalition and the Leopoldites get to inspect their house for whatever reason.
It'd show the family frantically trying to hide the shady shit they (mainly Big D) get up to, and even if we don't get more insights into the house's secrets it'd be fun to see how each of them live and what sort of memorabilia they respectively have.
>Markus sperging out about his retro game collection, with one of the Leopoldites being weirdly receptive
>Boy has a shelf full of ultraviolent anime OVA's he got from Markus, and a toybox full of empty liquor bottles
>Door has been preparing to retrofit the Golden Goose with armor and weapons from an M1 Abrams in the aftermath of the werewolf hunt
>Big D bullshitting an explanation for the vampire prison cell/living space in the basement, not to mention whatever fucked up shit he keeps in his own bedroom
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>>153955348
It's mostly because he's in full rage mode right now and made several astronomically DUMB decisions during the Colaition meet that all compounded on each other in comical fashion. He's much better and much more on the ball when he's calm, so people liked him more then.
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>>153955348
>It's stunning how fan opinion of Kitten has plummeted as of late
Kitten in TTS won a cardgame against Tzeentch, an argument against the Fabricator General, and was generally the most sane person in the room
Kitten in HtP can't even handle a millenial otaku. Much less a talk with the Coalition
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>>153959786
>Kitten in HtP can't even handle a millenial otaku
Not him, and sorry to be pedantic but I am only doing this because I find it funny, but I think she is Gen X along with the others. Marck is 30 which would mean Grimal, Harry, Elise, and Kitten are roughly the same age if not slightly older. So that would mean they were all born in 74 or there abouts.
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>>153955880
Drawanons should be drawing Togo getting tortured
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>>153955348
>It's stunning how fan opinion of Kitten has plummeted as of late. I still can't decide if it's bad writing of a good character or good writing of a bad character.
Its good writing of a character that isn't great under any pressure he can't stab or insult.
Mind you, I said that not as some derogatory this character sucks thing, but as a reality. This kind of desperation is often what leads people into the worse paths of WoD in the setting, the sacrifices and desperation, to do anything (aka many things towards evil) to achieve a frankly vapid goal. Its baked into the setting. Its how many cults and sorcerers and shit grab followers, or how pacts are made. Kitten, much like Markus, much like Boy, much like Door, cannot be trusted to not break. Even D, for all his boisterous bullshit, can be broken.
Bénédicté is someone who wouldn't break. People like her, even irl, don't really break when their realities are that strong. She was not lying when she said she would not renounce her faith for her father, or for her child, and that's what I frankly really love about her. For all the claims of utter demonhood, she's basically the actually assured calculated and wise leader D wished to be. A dark mirror, if you will.
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>>153960360
What is even there to like about her Anon. She's a coke addicted kind of cuntish granny with sagging tits but shes not even mean enough or what not for the mean girl angle. What's the angle, what's the play?
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fuck togo
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>>153955348
I'll be honest, my opinion of him started to sour in chapter 4, when he started being a fucking dickhead to Grimal for what feels like no reason. I get she's an annoying weeb and they're exes for a reason, but that shit was just annoying since she hadn't done anything particularly upsetting (and he made her cry - she doesn't deserve to cry).
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>>153960994
Truly peak, good shit.
>>153961350
I dunno dude, I think D being called a cunt, Kryckman, Church lady and Blair were kind of great to match the D Family really. The gay marriage final gag was kind of weak, but hey, besides that there were a lot of great moments like
>DAMNATION!
>Quite the opposite, actually
or the general bold faced hypocrisy that D and Kitten gave as they basically shat on everyone and went double faced to break trust and oaths 24/7. Definitely felt good to have D shut the fuck up versus people he cannot bully into submission.
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>>153961479
>Our union of underpaid working class civilians will help you if you share your collected resarch and pay a fee
>WOAH WOAH WOAH, you expect to be PAID for helping us? FINE, but i WILL break our agreement at the nearest opportunity, just fyi
What a twat he turned out to be
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>>153960795
NTA but she is explicitly a sex freak, is not in her prime and probably doesn't get any action anymore, especially since she's got no young students to prey upon since Harry's far too pure to shag a hag, meaning that you'd get your soul sucked out of your dick at every opportunity she gets, and she's in overall presentation a very confident, bold type of character. It's attractive if you are bored of, or don't want at all, the more uwu-mommy sort of an older woman.
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>>153961350
I'm easily amused, so watching the Pentex agent have an absolute meltdown multiple times at Boy calling her the Burgerlady put a smile on my face. But I get it, most of it was just to make it very clear the hunter family's not going to be able to get Markus with an army of Hunters, just whatever little they can scrounge up even after pissing blood over the bureaucrats and their absolute lack of help
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>>153961804
The more you prod into it the more downright sociopathic D and Kitten are with the fucking Union dudes given how they were, in realistic terms, downright chummy despite it being a clusterfuck. These guys get invited to try and help with some reasonable demands, and then get hit with everything being a clusterfuck. A hunt, that they don't want to pay for, that they want to be put in the top of everyone else's needs from their neighborhoods friends and more, outside their usual area, with high risks involved, for newcomers, requiring the aid of those within the Union as its a collective rather than a fucking paramilitary they can bully into helping them.
Like imagine you really are Hard McTack and you basically get a raving turkish lunatic complaining he won't even pay the fucking basic entry fee so you can continue protecting your own people, and wants you to *force* your own friends, coworkers and neighbors into risking their lives on a dangerous as fuck hunt to fight werewolves of all things, outside of their neighborhood, in some fuck off forest, and they want to be first in line for tommorow, ignoring every single other planned hunt and more for your own people, again, while not paying shit and yelling you are a parasite. And then they want to go wild and do hunts on their own to boot.
I downright felt bad for Hard, because holy shit I too would be so done with these fucking cunts but even so Sluice was downright sympathetic and still helped and more. Like holy shit I hope the D Family get their just rewards and don't get away from how fucking cuntish they've been lately because frankly, D sure as shit might be a Mummy but he's acting more and more like a retarded berserker ape trending to the Wyrm.
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>See all the criticism about the Inquisition here and figure there must be some reason shit is fucky
>Check the youtube description
>LORE CONSULTANTS
>D. R. Ortegón for consultation on the history of the Inquisition
>@Vishanti
>click on the link
>Channel description is "Recovering Alabamian living in sunny Southern California. I love talking about Judaism, science, sci-fi, and comic books!"
>Patreon description is "Exploring Jewish texts/history, genealogy, and Doctor Strange"
>Videos are shit like Antisemitism in Atheism
Are you fucking kidding with me. They got some jewish girl take on the inquisition and completely ignored shit like the Nephandi and more purposefully making cults and more in the time of the inquisition and the supernatural history of the world and context because a jewish woman told them irl inquisition bad? Ignoring how indeed back in those days hermeticism and demon summoning were absolutely happening alongside Fey shit? Oy fucking Vey.
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>>153961967
It probably didn't help the Union that not only were they not the first to speak up, but they never made it clear what level of help they would actually be able to realistically provide before any deals were made. The Society of Saint Leopold was clearly only there as a favor to Blacklaw, the Newburgh Group made it upfront they were solely there to get their pound of flesh and rip into the Arcanum for losing the data, and G-Kontoret and Pentex were clearly just because they smelled blood in the water and easy prey. In the majority of situations, "help" comes in the form of knowledge and information on the enemy's whereabouts, which is in the Union's wheelhouse given that they're all local blokes who are keeping each other informed so local garou and bloodsuckers don't feed on them. But that's not the kind of help they were dragged there to provide, and probably wouldn't have even been there if they knew they were being asked to provide bodies instead of info. Especially when three of the four invited parties had basically spent the majority of the meeting wasting time in a pissing match with an even more belligerent D and hysterical Kitten. Kind of surprising the Union didn't just pull themselves out sooner once they saw what they were getting themselves into.
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Assuming they aren't heavy in bed with Pentex based on Hard's character image showing up when Blair was about to end negotiations with the worm comment, he also had past dealings with Door so that might have been a reason why he stuck around
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>>153962271
I dunno, I just find this sophistry shit fucking disgusting. Like come the fuck on, this is not even remotely fucking adequate for a WoD setting, you can read the literature irl for sure and have your thoughts but for fucks sake you little band of swedish faggots, you can do better than this.
On the other side of the coin, some of the other channels seems pretty fun. Blairs is pretty much just her actual voice and she seems pretty fun, and Hard McTacks is also pretty good, in order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvxkv5N_3sQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Q0Uj8qWnc
I'd advise skipping the second one to like 1:25 because his intro cinematic is a bit long but besides that its pretty good.
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>67 / 13 / 2
Yes the implication is that even Door has 0 jobs, and even Markus didn't do shit at all.
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>>153962345
I mean, the only one with a name that actually seems like a name is Markus.
D, Kitten, Door, Boy, all seem like nicknames to keep the enemy from finding their True Name.
Part of why D hates whatever they call Social Security over there- it assigns you a True Name accessible by the Government.
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>>153962405
I figure he’s definitely riding by on pension or VA benefits. Him being a handyman sort and keen on hunting (in the sustenance sense, not the supernatural) probably means he’s fully self sufficient. Door strikes me as someone who’s genuinely used to living off the land in a home he built with his own hands and thus never had a reason to spend his income, barring the odd fast food jaunt or ammo/gun procurement. Being on the road with D and in a stable environment he didn’t have to build a lá Kitten gives him even less incentive to spend money on anything but the aforementioned fast food and guns.
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>>153962514
I don't doubt the IRL inquisition did some pretty nasty shit, but for fucks sake, I ask for the bare minimum for the morally questionable reality of the setting and the many splotches of grey and more to indeed be grey. This isn't just lazy writing, this is also just mediocrity when you could have had super interesting conflicts of both existing faith with the paganism but also the fact the Inquisiton did do evil shit while also indeed exterminating Vampires into being mega afraid and also purging real witches too. Even on a basic level, this is the least interesting way to go about it.
>>153962602
We have multiple viewpoints here, that's fine, but if you put in your description stuff like this and don't read the source books when you are the big spearhead project for the whole brand then I'm going to call you lazy. These episodes take months, sometimes over half a year to come out, they can read a few books in a few days and write something more compelling.
This isn't about how they like or don't like things, its about wasted potential. A lot of the episode could have lead to interesting discussions that aren't just SpeakerD and ThunderPsyker yelling into the microphone.
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im kinda tired of kitten's voice sounding like this too. i know this whole 3 episodes are passing in the same day/night but giving the real time we are seeing stuff and what is happening i would apreciate more if the voice actors would cool down with the voice screaming. also as many said before, the aid seeking part could had been way more interesting. but anyway. at least we are finally going to umbra terrirory.
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>>153958664
They are not going to do that. Ape is supposed to be this unsympathetic gamer nerd, aka person they now love shitting on.
He's already most one note of the shovelheads, he's never going to have another side to him
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>>153962602
The actual Inquisitions were perfectly just campaigns given historical context.
Anyone who says otherwise is a propagandist conspiring to frame European history as shameful, or somebody who has been duped into accepting that burden of faux-guilt
More to the point however, in the specific case of WoD's setting, not only were the Inquisitions extremely justified but they were also objectively beneficial on a cosmological level.
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>>153962794
Remember about how he started reminiscing about his vacations at the start of the Chapter House? This man ended up having to scour the fucking treaty and basing himself on his failed marriage to bust D out of this whole fucking thing.
My man needs to actually just fuck off to the Carribeans and fuck real pussy that loves him. He needs a permanent vacation from the Arcanum and the D Family after this, for real.
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>>153962754
>assuming that the extermination of any form of heresy, which was literally just unorthodox non-catholic forms of christianity and not evil chaos worship, was just
>assuming that the world of darkness which turns everything real into a gritty and edgier version of itself would allow the inquisition of all things to be genuine good guys who never did anything wrong at any point
delusional
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>>153962794
I've rewatched the episode a few times but I'm still a bit unclear about what he actually sacrificed.
He used the chapterhouse as collateral for plying aid from the Leopoldites, and this apparently means he is now fully subordinate to the London branch of the Arcanum and could be ousted from his position?
I guess I just don't really follow how the connective tissue of this bureaucratic rube goldberg machine knits together?
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>>153954551
If he is a mummy, he will 100% know and also tell Door to NEVER tell a soul about what happened with the "worm creature". And that he just put them in massive danger he cant even fathom.
D is going to lose his shit when door tells him what happens, like legit fear.
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>>153962902
Kind of wish we saw more of this relation of admiration Boy has with Marckus, so far most of it has been kind of indirect, through his fanfic clearly including cool af mentor Marckus-expy, and that Marckus included Boy into their podcast.
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>>153962514
I seen to find some added semitism in any do you have in a problem with the Inquisition when those people forced them to convert or to literally be banished without the property from the entire country forced to move with nothing to a new location that's messed up in a human rights abuse by modern day standards why can't they be called out for that? Like seriously the best they did was dealing with some pedophiles when they were dealing with gay people but that's nothing compared to the bad the Inquisition actually did.
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>>153962902
Or maybe it's just goofy character exploration like Secret Hunters.
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>>153962976
It’s too tied to Boy’s inner turmoil with Horse and it mentioned him seeing the Chariot of God in a dream.
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>>153962855
> He used the chapterhouse as collateral for plying aid from the Leopoldites, and this apparently means he is now fully subordinate to the London branch of the Arcanum and could be ousted from his position?
That’s the long short of it. The arcanum while subservient to the London branch was largely autonomous since it was just a backwater chapter house. The requisitioning of big boy resources to hunt a pack of garou due to an incident involving potential ghoul infiltration and the excommunicated D family will almost certainly slingshot them into the London house’s attention. Occam, being the guy who’s supposed to control the Yarmouth chapter house, is putting his head on the chopping block because someone’s going to ask A: why this clusterfuck happened on his watch, B: why he’s risking valuable resources, and C: why those resources are being risked to avenge a dead man and help an excommunicated and generally reckless party. If the data were still in play it’d be understandable, but the data’s gone, and with it any excuse. Anyone in a position of authority would look at the situation and move to either remove Occam from power or remove the arcanum entirely to prevent this shit from ever happening again.
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Looks like kittens accusation about the inquisitions were pretty Fair Patience.
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>>153962973
>when those people forced them to convert or to literally be banished without the property from the entire country forced to move with nothing to a new location that's messed up in a human rights
Shouldn't have opened gates of Toledo
They could've always left with the moors, but thought they could scam spaniards like they had used to during the whole centuries of moorish rule
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>>153962854
There is no assumption.
It is simply so.
The actual crusades were magnificent triumphs of unity and logistics, that were principally reclamation efforts countering the preceding MILLENIUM of Islamic conquest that had oppressed and devastated formerly Christian territories across the entire span of the Mediterrean.
They sacked and annexed everything from Egypt to Hispania, to the point that they were dangerously encroaching on central Europe through France.
Oh and don't think to wring your hands at me about the brutality of war.
All ancient wars were savage and ripe with horror yet despite this the ignorant narrative that the Crusades were monstrously heinous and senseless without parallel continues to circulate with no resistance.
In regards to the WoD crusades,
Stamping out the Nephandi more than makes up for any collateral damage.
They are reality warping hellraiser cults which infiltrate and corrupt everything they come into contact with, and ceaselessly work towards annihilating reality itself in the most horrid manner possible.
Scorched earth tactics, and any other drastic measure you can think of, is justified.
Dare I say, even necessary, when fighting such a singularly malevolent, existential threat.
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>>153963094
>The Crusades were great
Look at what happened to the people's Crusade before they even reached the Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0&t=57s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAodRUPN7lE&t=9s
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>>153963100
You think that excuses it because they had the choice of dying or having their faith Christians are supposed to kill themselves before they change their faith and they celebrate Martyrs who supposedly did that in ancient Rome when Christians were more the ass to Romans instead of wombs being an ass to Christians until they took over the Roman Empire ..
And yes that's a human rights violation to do either of those even if the UN allows certain countries to do both of those things without calling it human rights abuses because they don't like to say those countries do anything bad. And that's not European countries I'm talking about with the now.
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>>153963086
Okay allow me to make this extra clear since you seem to be some ESL with the inability to understand complicated English.
In World of Darkness, Inquisition different from Real World Inquisition. In real world, Nephandi do not exist. In WoD world, Nephandi exist. In WoD world, hermetic wizards sacrificing you to summon demons and taking your child to make potions exist, witches and satanists sacrificing you at 3 am for power exist, werewolves raping your wife to death exist, vampires dominating you into a live of degrading sex slavery exists.
Real life Inquisition may be bad, but in WoD, refuting they killed bad wizards, wiped out cults and more is retarded. If the Nephandi and more in those times flourished, the world would be even worse.
Which is why you should realize that you are not correct because the context is different, and Kitten is stupid because he's a hunter. Even the most up their own ass Hunter would have to admit the first Inquisition did good by wiping out enemies of mankind, even if they also abused people. And its not like the D family hasn't abused anyone either.
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>>153958107
I do not see how they survive that encounter.
Do you think he's really just Palmer's go-to murder machine?
Or is he a deep planted secret agent? There's nothing to support this other than his TTS counterpart being one of the Emperor's loyal sons though.
Or will he even be a son of Big D at all in this?
I'm still waiting for a biker gang to show up with a Jaghatai Khan expy at their boss.
Or a big blue clad hunter with a weird connection to the fae that he's somehow making work in his favor to show up.
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>>153963148
Covert or GTFO is better than convert of die. Simple as.
>And yes that's a human rights violation to do either of those even if the UN
The UN didn’t exist. The strong will do as they will. I have no empathy or guilt for you. I am not a Christian just pointing out the reality. Welcome to the hell you created. Vae victis.
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>>153963181
You think because of what the Inquisition actually benefited in what the darkness means they're historical accounts should only talk about the Inquisition being a good thing in the historical text somewhere to Darkness and that the real world bad stuff it did does not apply in that continuity because of that?
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Can you contradict anything I said in relation to that video no I see them numerous times about the people's Crusade was a humongous disaster and did a lot of damage on what was supposed to be the Allies among the Christians especially the people that Crusade was supposed to help originally and no just because you can take one image that must have been deliberately out of contacts about orgs from extra history does not mean this video is invalid you're just insulting a source that uses multiple sources that has been shown to be correct and consistent with what did happen if you can show me a sauce to people's crusade did nothing wrong like pillaging Christians and killing innocent people before they got totally defeated easily when they actually started fighting the Muslims I'm here to listen to it .
>>153963187
That is not an argument against human rights violations are bad that just means you don't care about them.
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>>153963250
>You think because of what the Inquisition actually benefited in what the darkness means they're historical accounts should only talk about the Inquisition being a good thing in the historical text somewhere to Darkness and that the real world bad stuff it did does not apply in that continuity because of that?
Okay what nationality is this, because this reads like some uneducated backwater dipshit tirade from someone who actually cannot distinguish between reality and a fictional universe. Like what are you on about, speak at least some decent English, what the fuck is this lack of commas and basic fucking sentence structure?
Type a sentence worth a shit. With actual pauses, punctuation and something that is actually readable.
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>>153963045
The Inquisition did a lot of reprehensible shit in the name of enforcing the supremacy of Catholicism in Europe at the time, with tens of thousands being killed and hundreds of thousands being incarcerated and/or forced to surrender their land, all due to religious differences.
>>153963094
Your conflation of crusades and inquisitions belies a hilarious misunderstanding of basic history, and there are no recorded cases of the Inquisition successfully killing any actual Nephandi, who are so famous for their subtlety that they've successfully infiltrated and subverted every magical organisation at some point in history, including the entire Technocracy in the modern day.
All of the fellating of the Inquisition that occurs in these threads comes from people so devoted to contrarianism that they end up being pro-authoritarian and licking the boots of long-dead zealots who would scarcely recognise them as human, let alone truly Christian, if they were alive today.
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>>153963250
It is since in the end the idea of human rights and a violation there of are man made concepts which are only able to be perpetuated and enforced by man. And in the end the actions of some can be easily ignored. Now fuck off with your gay virtue signaling bullshit. I don’t give a fuck about some jew being thrown out of Spain, especially in a thread for an animated supernatural hunting series. Take you whiny bullshit and go to /pol/ that is if you can stop yourself from bursting into a histrionic fit at the first person to call you a slur.
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>>153963284
>The Inquisition did a lot of reprehensible shit in the name of enforcing the supremacy of Catholicism in Europe at the time, with tens of thousands being killed and hundreds of thousands being incarcerated and/or forced to surrender their land, all due to religious differences.
Anon, is that it? I'd like to remind you that for the vast vast majority of the world, this was how everyone operated. The Muslim faith also murdered people who were unbelievers by droves and enforced it with butchery, the Christian faith did so in swathes, but in those times such was basically expected entirely. Everyone in some level did some pretty strong shit to achieve their supremacy, and if you think even Protestants, Hindus or Buddhists never had religious difference wars or purges or more back when, you are veritably insane.
And that's literally irrelevant to the fact of the WoD Inquisition still purging Nephandic cults and burning actual witches alongside innocents, which is a net plus on the world, objectively speaking according to WoD rules and consistency. The whole point of the Order of Reason, the precursor to the Technocracy, was about how the Traditions kept utterly abusing the lives of Sleepers for the sake of their own profit power and dominance. That some magi got fucking got, that some witches got burnt, that some cults got torched and that some people who couldn't integrate got banished is frankly a good thing both for humanity and the general consensus of the locality and its people.
Like I'm sorry, the Inquisition was indeed a bulwark against the darkness, objetively speaking. And while everyone else left with Blair, the Gladius remained, and even sustained repeated insulting and besmirching to try and do their job. I'm not going to be contradian'd and IRL knowledge checked to be agaisnt the in character in setting Inquisition, that's fucking retarded.
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>>153963376
>some people who couldn't integrate got banished is frankly a good thing both for humanity and the general consensus of the locality and its people.
You're calling it integration when you don't change your faith on demand to a face that says you can't change from this face without being executed or called an apostate or heretic ?
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Okay, let's have a look at the in-universe Inquisition and how it handled the Nephandi.
It turns out, it didn't, but the Nephandi found the concept of Black Mass and the accusations that the Inquisition levied at its victims so amusing that they integrated it into their own rituals, just for the sake of irony.
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Inquisition torture chambers were also one of the primary sources of inspiration for Club Maelstrom, a Nephandi snuff club that teleports all over the world.
Like most things evil and oppressive, it turns out that the Nephandi gained more from the Inquisition than they ever lost to it.
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>>153963485
>live in land that expects you to believe in X or get dunked on, severity going from ass kicking to expulsion to death
>don't believe in X at fucking all and don't give it a single chance at fucking all, refuse to try despite often decades and ease of available shit
>get by for years not knowing anything and mumbling along, low level faking
>actual authorities checking the requirements come
>tell you to stop being a fucking shitter and you need to do X or you can fuck right off
>sperg out because you didn't try to integrate even remotely to survive
>get consequences
Back then Christianity was about as required as citizenship paperwork, same with Islamic faith, same with pretty much everything that wasn't an irrelevant murder hobo band park like the irrelevant Mongolians who did nothing but rape and purge who they didn't like. If you seriously sucked enough at the social game you were either a heretic moron, a social outcast who couldn't be liked by anyone or you couldn't even fake convincingly by knowing basic ass theology, that was legitimately a serious skill issue.
>>153963512
Now read the Nephandi books that detail how indeed they ddi do shit, they did do cults and they did ruin things a plenty. Also love how they go on in the first part about how its totally true and shit and then go lurid myths and can't verify anything at all. Very good for your point Anon.
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>>153963575
>Also love how they go on in the first part about how its totally true and shit and then go lurid myths and can't verify anything at all. Very good for your point Anon.
Read, nigger, read.
>Old Testament's JUSTIFICATIONS for slaughtering "those people"
>Romans ACCUSED Jews and Christians of similar atrocities
>Christians LEVELED THE SAME ACCUSATIONS at Jews and pagans.
>The Catholic Church used Black Mass RUMORS as fuel for massacres, Crusades and Inquisitions.
>all sides worked their partisans into frenzies of sadistic mass murder by ACCUSING one another
>Regardless of ACCUSER and ACCUSED, the charges were almost inevitably the same
These two images were also the only two mentions of the Inquisition in THE Nephandi book. Your cope has run dry.
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>>153963575
So you have to follow a religion that is different than your own which existed after your own and was based on hurting your own society and faith and just be a sheep and following the majority means you're not integrating good into your community to you? Do you have problem with people who didn't vote for the majority party in your city or state or country in the last election? Also you say questions like Christians didn't kill each other for not being the exact white type of Christian in multiple Christian countries in those days seriously a bunch of times they were more concerned about killing the incorrect type of Christian than killing people who are not Christian.
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>>153963606
I honestly can't tell if the person commenting here is the same person that responding to or an insulting the person that responded to. See >>153963575
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Okay I went to the tabletop General World of Darkness General conversation and said (I’ll be honest, this is coming from the Hunter The parenting discussion, but in the World of Darkness, did the historical Inquisition commit the same bad acts it did in real life, and was it considered objectively good in-universe because of its actions against paranormal threats? Or did they simply believe they were doing good while actually causing harm when it came to dealing with the paranormal in that setting?) and got (It's a mixed bag, the inquisition started as: a vampire ploy to kill other vampires / mage ploy to push their version of the consensus / whatever other splat believe - before spiraling out of control and turning on everything supernatural. They did torture people (Torquemada found out about vampires that way) and innocents did get killed along the way here and there. Vampires were driven into hiding (even more so than usual), werewolves were getting fucked along with their kinfolk and mages lost so hard that the Order of Reason started turning the consensus in their favour. Since you mentioned HtP, it's worth mentioning that the Society of Leopold was started by the leader of the Shadow Inquisition. They were dedicated to purging supernaturals and not hereticst)
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>>153963669
And the second person commented
what wod ended up deciding when it came to fleshing out the dark age verison of other splats is that the inqusition and the shadow inqusition are two different but related things
(in the inqusition is exactly as you know them and the shadow inquisition are insane paladin monster hunters playable in the inquisitor books that mindfuck themselves into being more zealous than other true faith users to the point where they curse themselves. As you can imagine they aren't presented as being super nice people(in fact they are the dark age counterparts for the imbued) but most of the splats are also presented as at least somewhat deserving of the beating the got from these guys)
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>>153963606
Alright yknow what, I did misread, I am rather tired. Also no, there's mentions of them making cults and more, read again more carefully like how I am seemingly unable to do. Dark Ages and shit absolutely had the Nephandi taking advantage of shit and piggybacking it, its even on the wiki with Infernalists and more man, its straight up in the Witch Craze part.
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>>153963635
>So you have to follow a religion that is different than your own which existed after your own and was based on hurting your own society and faith and just be a sheep and following the majority means you're not integrating good into your community to you?
I mean objectively yeah. If I join a protestant only community and I am not protestant then you fail at integrating innit. You might say its barbaric but thats like legit just the reality of the situation, convert or get fucked and I don't really care, when that's your world if you can't even do a basic enough conversion to not get caught since its your entire life on the line, thats like you not studying for the live or die test.
I don't care about different opinions now, we live in a time of differences. And I don't pretend like Catholics and Protestants and Jehovas and Mormons are the same, they aren't, and trying to expect people to all absolutely live fine together with massive theological differences back when is basically insanity when that shit determined your life and your citizenship pretty much.
Like I'm not saying it wasn't a rough time or that we aren't better now, I'm saying objectively if you don't have citizenship papers you deserve to get fucked when inspected when you don't even try for citizenship. Medieval time citizenship papers are the same logic, at least fucking pretend nigga.
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>>153963485
Can you do anything other than clutch pearls over pre-enlightenment theocratic monarchies behaving like pre-enlightenment theocratic monarchies.?
Yes, the theological elite of those eras exercised extremely harsh authority over the populous they ruled over.
Most people had no autonomy, they toiled on land owned by others, their beliefs were shaped by others, their futures determined by distant men they could scarcely hold to account.
No, this was not unique to Europe.
The same happened under arabic states, the far east, the mesoamericans, the indians, even the animist tribals of the early scandanavia, africa, australia, and north america engaged in constant bloody skirmishes and other wicked barbarism.
So what?
What does all your ranting have to do with the WoD Inquisition?
An initiative to stop very real monsters and diabolical sorcerers from turning civilization into their personal playground.
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>>153963709
And the point is that the Inquisition was utterly ineffective against the Nephandi, with no evidence anywhere that the Nephandi actually suffered because of the Inquisition. I mean, let's refer to the wiki article you mentioned:
>Some sects, like the Nephandi, use the Inquisitions as weapons against their rivals, exposing other cults while hiding their own activities.
The Nephandi successfully weaponised the Inquisition and then used its lurid accusations as inspiration for their own dark rituals and its torture chambers as inspiration for their interdimensional snuff club. And let's look at the end:
>The worst is yet to come. With the Daedalean Oath of Fire in 1452, the foundation of the Council of Nine in 1466 and the publication of the Malleus Maleficarum in 1486, the bloodshed and blasphemies reach pandemic proportions. The next 200 years will see millions of people burned, hanged or tortured; the genesis of the vampiric Camarilla and Sabbat; and the rapid growth of the Nephandic sect. The whirlpool of sin picks up speed in the Renaissance, and the world becomes a darker place.
The Burning Times of the Inquisition were a fucking paradise for the Nephandi.
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>>153956725
Yes.
I'm still bound between if I should imagine an OC to fuck her or simply self-insert as Brokham as shipping
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>>153955201
I think they're supposed to be involving changelings after this?
There's still that whole thing with Marcus drawing the attention (maybe? I think it is too vast a concept) of the Wyrm while dealing with Fae,and they were mentioned by Horse when making the prophecy.
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>>153963780
The rivals to the Nephandi are the Nephandi themselves. They used the Inquisition to weed out cults and devil worshipers and more. That's a fucking net plus baby, and that's objectively contradicting the claim they never suffered because of the inquisition, cults were stopped and activities were ceased as the Nephandi had infighting.
Yeah, the Nephandi corrupt good intentions and not so good intentions, they've done it before, and so have the Vamps with shit like Tzimisce making a blood chapel, it's literally inevitable, they're Evil Magi. And in the same logic, despite the "glory" of the Nephandics, the Inquisition also grew in power, achieved greater establishment and was fueled, did legitimately by the basic logic of language get fucked, got weaponized to cull their numbers and inevitably grew in power and zeal from it, reinforcing its need.
On basic linguistics, the Inquisition did good while the Nephandics were always gonna win. Maybe the writer did not mean it but like, yeah, if the Nephandics had no opposition things would get worse, and people being killed before being all corrupted by their mingled interests would have been even worse. Because should the Nephandi not have been stopped or culled by infighting, Europe logically would have fallen.
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>>153963773
(They did commit the bad acts they did in RL but well, WoD is a fucking awful place in those times.)
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>>153963877
(Pretty much any question like this is a massive "it depends". First it depends on your table. I know everything is canon oWoD vomit is a common baseline for lore discussion, but I've never encountered a table that actually ran that. HtP is trickier because they're definitely running a table canon which is a mashup of oWoD and WoD5 and I even spotted a Vigil port last episode.
The closest thing to objective truth I can give you is that it was a mixed bag. First the mortal inquisition and the fuckery that led to the Society of Leopold were related, and often overlapped, but were not the same. Second, they absolutely did make mistakes and kill innocents for suspected trafficking with the supernatural. Third, unless you believe total supernatural death is justified, they absolutely did some messed up things. For example, the majority of vampires slain by the inquisition were clueless fledglings, and they didn't get a clean death. They were tortured for information first, information they didn't know. This was a frankly stupid tactic that vampires at the time used to try (and largely fail) to avoid hunters. Sire a rando so the hunters will catch them and think they got the vampire. Only when the Inquisitors interrogated this poor confused rando, they not only realized quite quickly this wasn't the evil vampire lord they were after, they also learned a lot about the physiology of their foe.
The SoL are a mixed bag. They do good, but they're rigid in their view that all supernatural creatures are servants of the devil. To try and redeem any of them is viewed as arch heresy and purged with extreme gusto. Also they shot a pope once.)
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>>153954921
I read this in D voice and now I’m dying
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>>153960171
I too find myself liking how much I hate him now. I didn't "like" Kitten before, he annoyed me in a main character way, he has the solution. Now he's a fuckup because he isn't in a survival situation which is more comfortable for him, he's in a "you can't do jack shit" situation, so he grasps for any straw that might help pull his fag loverboy back. Which will likely end in him doing something stupid that ruins everything, because its World of Darkness, not World of Happy Endings. The worst thing they could possibly do is flip flop between the two at bad times.
The only thing I don't like about Hunter the Parenting is the amount of homosexual characters. It is the most forced and out of place thing in the story, and it feels like because the writers are gay they have to shoehorn it in. Which I guess could be the "players" of the game because a lot of those roleplayers are weirdo fags and degenerates who are also into occult and conspiratorial shit.
The most distinct thing I have noticed about WoD over the years is that everyone associated with insane schizo hollow earth illuminati supercorp tyrannical government, either as players, fans, characters, or anything, are overwhelmingly normal people. While all the supernatural ones obsessed with vampires, werewolves, and fairies are weird homosexuals.
Writers if you are reading this stop putting so many faggots in, because its distracting. Token gay just turns into Token gays. Also, find someone who isn't a left wing homosexual like 90% of Alfabusa's team and a good writer to butt heads with you, flat out get a radical racist conservative of any creed or race. It's what made disco elysiums writing so good, clearly everyone on the writing team hated each other, which allowed the best shit to spill forth.
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>>153960795
You don't understand, anon.
>most likely a looker in her younger days (even if she's let herself go, she's still got a lot of energy and passion waiting to be unleashed)
>being kinda grouchy means she'll melt in your hands in the bedroom and you can make her squeal and squirm
>professionally dressed women are always horny as shit
>she's clearly been through a lot and she just needs someone patient and accepting so she can live a healthier life again
>very confident and bold means she's gonna fuck your brains out or let you fuck her brains out
It's the Amanda Waller/Emily Piggot phenotype. Nothing better than a grouchy chubby older woman in a place of authority. Mmm.
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You get it.
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>>153964020
If you think "pay monthly tax, pay entry tax, do what we do and don't go Rambo, ask about personal hunts, no we can't play favorites" to be the worst terms versus Blair then you are actually insane Anon. That D and more cannot understand a Union is not Blackrock with a standing army is their own skill issue really, because its very obvious that they were not exactly packing plasma cannons and more when their diplomatic representative has a cap and 2 cigs in his mouth and talks about Unions.
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>>153963876
Again, this feels like senseless cope.
>Everything official says that the Inquisition unwittingly helped the Nephandi grow stronger and that the Nephandi even indulged in a little irony by adopting the abominable practices that the Inquisition accused 'witches' of performing.
>In my head, this means that that the Inquisition was the one thing that prevented the Nephandi from conquering all of Europe and that the Inquisition unwittingly serving as a tool of the Nephandi was a good thing.
Are you reading what you're writing?
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>>153964058
It might be better if the D family asked any questions about the terms offered or made any attempt at all to negotiate before signing themselves away.
For example:
> What is the price of the tax?
> Who would be their watch captain?
> How frequently exactly would they need to engage in union work?
> How many men could they provide for this hunt?
> How much experience do they have hunting Garou?
> Do they have the equipment suitable for a hunt of this caliber?
> Are these terms fixed indefinitely or subject to change after a given period?
> Is there an exit clause to joining the Union?
All this shit off the top of my head, should have been asked before ANYTHING was signed.
Don't even get me started on the other contracts they accepted.
Kitten and D should not have been given a spot at the negotiation table.
EVERYTHING they did or said hurt their own case.
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>>153964266
I am reading what I'm writing, but I'm writing something that's a bit more complex than just Inquisition Bad, I'm writing the nuanced take that boils down to the fact the Nephandi always win in some way because its WoD, but in pragmatic senses, if they didn't then Europe would have gone to shit anyways because uncompeting Nephandi cults are bad and its not like the nature of WoD allows anyone to ever really super win, even Vamp Jesus made the Baali.
The Cope, if you want to declare it as such, is that the Inquisition would always do bad because nobody just does good, but killing Nephandic cults and the Nephandi is still a good end point, even if they profited long term because the World is of Darkness. Inspired or not by the Inquisition, the Nephandic cults being culled is a positive, the swathes of vamps being more hidden and the like is good, having an old institution to cull the weaker herds of vamps is good, having that fear instill the Masquerade is universally good, wiping out a ton of fuckass Woofs is good, same with killing Magi, even non Nephandi.
If the Nephandi faced no opposition, alongside the vamps and more, they'd have grown hard and grown even more depraved and worse still. You let a satanist cult take over your city, I'm sure you'll just let it happen over and over and not just do a 30 year longitudinal analysis as your family gets actually raped to death needlessly. Same with Vamps and more, the forcing people into hiding created the Sabbat and the Camarilla but that's a fucking net positive for the setting, either they kill every witness enforcing the Masquerade or they kill one another for breaches and generally don't rock the boat, minimizing Vampire Supremacy shit or antedeluvians waking up and ending the setting.
With insetting logic, they basically did good. It was always going to result in bad, but better 70000 dead supernaturals than 0, even if you also kill another 70000 innocents. A Neophyte vamp is already dead, after all.
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The Union is actually from Hunter: the Vigil and they're exactly as advertised by what the EAU said they are: local hunters that organized themselves like a labor union. Most of them are a case-by-case basis but there are three main faction among them.
>Home First: not in my backyard types that only get involved with local hunts in their neightborhood
>General Strike: the more proactive group that will actually seek out trouble
>Politicals: the radical types that will commit terrorism against businesses and politicians even if they aren't involved in the supernatural
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>>153964283
> What is the price of the tax?
Didn't matter, Reymond agreed to pay for it
> Who would be their watch captain?
I don't think D-squad could accept anyone from outside of their circle
> How frequently exactly would they need to engage in union work?
See last point
> How many men could they provide for this hunt?
They already said it was not their represantives decision, and they'd have to ask individual hunters in AEU themselves
> How much experience do they have hunting Garou?
> Do they have the equipment suitable for a hunt of this caliber?
I think they'd be lucky if AEU as whole owns even 2,5 silver spoons.
> Are these terms fixed indefinitely or subject to change after a given period?
> Is there an exit clause to joining the Union?
They literally discussed about this during hunter pile. Deciding they'd not give a shit about any rules and would weasel out of anything as soon as possible.
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>>153964283
I was going to answer to you but >>153964691 pretty much covered it.
The D Family as fucking asholes that don't know anything and cheat at shit 24/7. We sorta root for them because they're our heros but they are kind of just fucking scumbags in practice when we're talking even other Hunters. They don't respect anything and anyone else, and the more we look at how they're behaving now, the more you'll understand that them being kicked out of the Arcanum was probably entirely fully justified alongside burning their books given how utterly antagonistic they are to everyone who does not bow down to them and their whacky demands.
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>>153964664
You're painting every single supernatural entity with the exact same brush and making it seem like the killing of gormless fledgelings or pagan mystics who tends to their villages is the same thing as the killing of the insidious, ancient and evil manipulators who compel the Inquisition to do such slaying. There's also the fact that every werewolf slain is one less soldier to fight against the Wyrm and help stave off the Apocalypse.
By the very admission of the writers, the Inquisition made the World of Darkness even darker with their actions. By often killing the wrong type of supernatural, typically at the behest of the type of supernatural that they should have been killing, they thrust the world down a much, much darker path.
All that the Burning Times accomplished was the destruction of more benign supernatural entities, with most of the oldest and foulest surviving to the modern nights, because they were the ones pulling the strings of the Inquisition in the first place.
So on top of the Inquisition being jack-booted thugs who used religion as an excuse to hoard power and wealth and land for the Catholic Church in real life, the Inquisition in the World of Darkness were the useful idiots of the darkest forces of the world and used as a weapon to ensure their rise to supremacy and the decline of anyone who might have stopped them. The real Inquisition was malicious, the World of Darkness Inquisition was stupid.
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>>153964735
In essence, no worse than most Hunter groups. Jokes aside, I think it's obvious this was mainly a move by the writers to basically shut the door on the idea of the cavalry coming to help D and his family. Door was right in that every one of the groups invited to that pow-wow had already made up their minds before coming there, since none of them were hiding their contempt for either the Arcanum nor D and his family and were mostly there to exploit the situation to get what little they could out of it before putting for the minimal help they're contractually obligated to. On the other hand, while I can believe Big D would treat any attempt to make him make concessions would be wounding, it feels a bit weird to see Kitten be so belligerent instead of a lot more acquiescent and desperate for any help. Nor seeing Occam nor Blacklaw intervening more to get D and his family to stop shoving their feet in their mouth, considering both are well aware just how much of a control freak D is.
In a way, it reminds me a lot of how a lot of ttrpg parties will react vs how we think Hunters should react. When pressured, most actual ttrpg parties can and will act against their own interests if they feel sufficiently insulted or strong-armed by npcs, and will fixate more on insulting or telling someone off that they're SUPPOSED to be convincing they're worth the trouble of helping. And it's why D and his family come off so fucking stupid this particular time, since they're pissed and feeling exploited, and rather than working with their brains to work out how to weasel out of their deals when they actually have time to, they're thinking with their spleens and looking to get a sense of control from how desperate they're feeling and willing to take it out even on so-called allies just to make themselves feel better.
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>>153964868
I mean I am generalizing but 99% of the time the pagan mystics were doing some real fucked up shit, the werewolves weren't exactly kind to anyone and were fairly murderous with less ease to kill them, the vamps had an even easier time to abuse shit with no cameras, Demons were indeed a thing, the Traditions basically made it a sport to abuse Sleepers and so on. The war on Gaia and the Wyrm was basically already doomed the moment the Uratha murdered most every other shifter of Gaia, the world's been doomed for a while.
My thesis is one of inevitability, and of the silver lining, pun not intended given the topic of the werewolves. The World of Darkness is controlled by Black Diamonds, Antedeluvians, Triatic Spirits, the 666 Barons of Hell, the Angels enlightening the schizo paladins, Oblivion itself, Grandma, God, the God Machine and of people like the heads of the Technocracy alongside of the Tradition, freaks so strong and powerful they are walking Paradox bombs(not TM, just normal universe cop fines).
If you take even one game line as serious, then literally everything is owned by everyone of a power level you cannot defeat, from Pentex to God to Black Diamonds to Antedeluvians to the Wyrm to the Weaver to Lucifer to God watching you cum.
With that in mind, I say that for the reality of practice, the Inquisition did not actually fall to Nephandic levels, were not forces of the Corruptor Wyrm, that they had their truths confirmed and executed as they could with the little knowledge they did have and that they did wipe out a ton of evil fuckers. You could say it was all bad, but in WoD, where little to no good exists, a small consequence and not letting all of Europe actually crash by destroying Nephandi cults and more and emboldening a force against darkness is good. Because even in the show, they don't have Bénédicté keave with Blair, she's still legitimately wiping out bad supernaturals, and willing to help without asking for your newborn.
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>>153961331
tbf Grimal was poking at the beehive and Kitten just got blunt about why things couldn’t work for them. Even as he was explaining it to her so couldn’t let go of her over the top weeb attitude that made him break up with her, showing that she hadn’t matured ever since
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>>153965239
Anon you ignorant fuck. That exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charnel_Houses_of_Europe:_The_Shoah
It's fucking real.
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The Big D family certainly has a lot of warranted animosity from the rest of the hunter community, but this little chinwag revealed that pretty much every faction of the coalition is in bed with the Wyrm and their terms were every bit as unreasonable as the family's requests for aid were.
The corrupted, worm infested coalition just comes off as looking better because they weren't the ones at the table grappling with a family member having just been abducted by a supernatural murder machine. So of course the corrupt, but well composed figures of authority SOUND better than the hysterical peasantry upset over a stolen kinsmen.
It's the epitome of "I came here to laugh at you".
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Unironically depends on how close you are to a jewish place. Israel in WoD does have jewish magicks alongside the christian magicks, and there are Choirester magi who do shit like that. The fight between Iran and Israel in WoD is probably filled with shit like underground Golem raids versus enchanted Islamic swords and shit.
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>ghost double finger
Kino as fuck
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>>153965615
If there's a religion or tradition, there's probably a mage trying to make that shit work Anon. I mean Hermes Trimegestus is absolutely a real character in WoD and the founder of the Hermetics, whatever you got, WoD probably has it.
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Naturally.
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>>153965658
Mmm, what would the Garou do if irrefutable proof of a greater being than Gaia, not necessarily God (maybe Uranus, Ymir, any god that by pure logic would be higher in the food chain than Mother Earth)?
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>>153965387
The problem isn't that their terms were terribly unreasonable, since it all boiled down to "If you want our help, you have to join us and ask through the official channels". The problem was more that they clearly never intended to actually help them beyond the least amount of help they can get away with, since they spent far more time exchanging insults with Big D and his family instead of telling him to sit down so they can hash out the details. The fact three-quarters of them pulled out so damn fast at the mere mention of worm freak made it clear they weren't there to actually help so much as they thought they could get their pound of flesh from the Arcanum due to their weak position, and didn't expect anything that would remotely worry their Pentex masters.
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>>153965723
I mean the Garou are animists. They don't really do Single Gods, they worship their totem, their tribes spirits, they do deals with spirits, they do tons of shit besides Gaia but they are tools of Gaia, they are her shock troops, her retard McNamara Specials (Morons) so its not like they don't think higher powers exist or anything. So unless that thing somehow was like, actively hurting Gaia, they'd probably just not care and go back to their mission. If it was a threat, they'd go fight it.
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>>153965868
You fight Pentex in many ways even when its everywhere. You make viable alternatives, you cut off supplies whenever possible with urban warfare and also guerilla tactics, you destroy profit margins with legal and physical sabotage, you rally people to create and to produce sustainably, you destroy their foot soldiers (important, Banes and Fomori, not just random people otherwise you're retarded), etc etc. You can't sock Pentex in the jaw, there's no John Pentex to suplex, but you suplex everything about it.
If you have something like a Hermetic Cult of Mars, you do the same. You have a Nephandi cult, you do the same. You have Zeus, better believe his temples are rubble, his economy is shit, his followers are cancelled, there are fake cults leeching off them, that the stench of piss will not leave their worksites, that the bribed spirits in a local area will be wrecking havock and more.
Also of course Plot Ritualism.
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>>153965868
Mate, more than one of their Apocalypse scenarios involve the Garou Nation fighting and potentially defeating the living concept of destruction itself. With the right spiritual knowledge, they could kill potentially anything.
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>>153965723
I was once in a homebrew campaign where the storyteller combined Scion and WoD together. The Garou we encountered either had an existential crisis and tried to murder our guys or thought we were divine agents (which was technically true) because we could clean up Wyrm taint and Banes. Though the Get especially hated my guy who was a son of Odin.
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>Ten years since the gang fought werewolves
>Ten years since they got Marckus back
>Ten years since Granddad's Foodstuff PMC absconded from the scene with Boy
>Kitten is still on his computer, a new one this time
>Not that it matters
>A lot has changed in the world, and internet too
>Every time you seem to get a lead, technology outpaces you l33t hacking skills
>Does anyone even say that anymore?
>Granddad's foodstuff's imploded in 2008
>But there was no following individual PMC members
>...Until now. There's a pattern: environmental disasters. Confirmed ex-PMC thugs keep popping up when-ever there is one
>Circulating through innawoods threads on anonymous internet image boards allows even further narrowing down
>Focusing on threads about evil shapeshifters/skinwalkers lurking in woods allows you to zone in onto Alaska
>Find a totally real video about a shapeshifter corpse found amidst oil-spill. Seems fake... but one of the hunters on tape is Blair
>Bit more wrinkles, more veins in eyes, but it's the 'Burger lady' all right
>And with her, among other hunters... black hair. Roughly same shaped face even if he's much taller and expression is all wrong. And he's a bit too handsy with Blair too
>Many sleepless nights spent in search finally net you a video with audio
>It's Boy
>Even if his voice is deeper - and crueller too
>"Hahaha another fucking lycan shit down! Sniper rifles are the best, ain't they... Burger Lady?"
>"Oh, come on" Blair playfully slaps Boy's butt "But you have to admit that Herculean Firearms provides best possible ammunition for cryptid control"
>"Sure it does - Irradiated silver. Smells so fucking good" Boy pops some sort of pill, and walks to the pile of blood and fur
>You check the video - it's actually longer than the audioless one!
>He zips open a fly and - "Lemme mark some territory first"
>Which he does. Blair's giggling fills the audio track... and is pee supposed be that green?
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>"Yeah, no fuckin' regrets."
>"Really, not a single one?" Blair sounds almost coy
>"Maybe one. Wish I could gotten on with program before. Wasted childhood man, can't believe I had to content with fuckin' ayahuasca when there was real synthetic shit on the menu"
>"... Really? You don't miss anyone? Anyone in particular?"
>"C'mon, that bunch of faggots? Don't give a shit anymore. Propably all dead by now. Those sissies couldn't beat even a single blankbody shovelhead without me chipping in."
>"That's right, stud. Did the chems kick in?" Without waiting for an answer, Blair walks to the man who used to be Boy, and shoves him to the ground.
>Top comes off next. Then the pants drop. Her skin is filled with long, barely healed scars
>She lowers herself into a riding position above his crotch
>You have to wince as she gathers bloody gunks of gore and slathers them all over her body. The scars open, forming wide, thin mouths that clump and bite onto the matter, hungrily eating as much as they can
>She adapts a riding position, and begins to grind
>"And cut the dam bodycamp feed. Who knows who's watching!" She yells
>"Yeah!" Former Boy yells from amidst the disgusting mass he's being grinded atop of. "But just in case you are on-line, Kitty kat ~ You always sucked at Deathmatch! Ha ha ha!"
>Just as the bodycam zips out into black, you can see him dig into bloody mess that had been lycan moments ago, and smear it all over Blair
>The video is still there. It's a hint. A clue. A lead.
>But do you have a heart to show it to Door?
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>>153960171
I do agree that perhaps it is just anon reaction to the first taste of Kitten in a vulnerable position, which is good for drama but in short bursts it can look like character assassination? D? Pure fraud mode though
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>>153963968
The only four proven homos are Occam + 3 guys in the family, two of which are in a relationship so I think that's something. I don't really think it is too big of a deal because the gay stuff is actually extremely subdued (except for this episode) and occasionally just a small reminder. Everyone can have their own take on this, I can understand why someone might mind it more
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>>153966624
Jesus Christ, these are horrifying
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>>153965387
It's a big part of H5 that individualism bleeds away when attempting to organize and congregate on the Hunt, which is meant to be deeply personal in order of you to retain your humanity and soul, and that's being shown here in somewhat of a nearly subtle and layered why by making them associates of the Wyrm, though not necessarily Wyrm freaks. Individualism is one of the few things H5 does correctly I think, even if it flounders when you play essentially normies with guns for your PCs. It's very Nietzschean, those who stare in to the void take care lest the void stare back and the like. In which case, hunting without a personal drive WILL end up with you a monster or insane.
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>>153967014
>the first taste of Kitten in a vulnerable position, which is good for drama but in short bursts it can look like character assassination
The thing is, Kitten has been in vulnerable positions before. Mayne not to this extreme, but enough that he should have a better grasp of his emotions and maintain some semblance of control - we're talking about the man who saw his fiancé getting his face caved in by a fully empowered vamp and still had the wherewithal to come up with the stilts plan, to say nothing of locking in on said vamp's trigger just to lure him out into a minefield. I get Kitten is stressed, and I can empathize, but that doesn't completely justify taking blatantly idiotic deals without doing the most basic questioning about said deals first.
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D is absolutely pure fraud mode yeah.
>>153967041
Not him but we have had this talk before. When so many episodes have gay shit in it, its gets pretty cringe, and you don't need a specifically gay dude kissing another one to give you fag fatigue, you just need it endlessly being repeated in your face.
The Kevin interrogation would have been better without the weird "sexy man" comments, they brought nothing to the scene. The gay sex dungeon plot point was not very required in the police interrogation. Not a homosexual I can't sway is just dumb, mentioning bed chamber pillow talk shitting on the coalition is just weird, the vibe starts getting off.
The Chapman episode with Kevin was entirely platonic short of the domination but that was a ghoul, not some fucking slipped in shit and it slapped, the burger episode was great too. The investigation in most of the chapter house was perfectly fine, but all of this stuff sometimes compounds and it gets tiring, and in the most sincere way possible, nothing about it feels organic or like it slides in perfectly like a witty joke. There is effectively no reason for D to endlessly jerk himself off to being a homosexual sex icon or to flirt with every man to have ever existed, and frankly, even the relationship between Markus and Kitten doesn't actually feel like it was conceptualized to be this because its great, only as a holdover joke they couldn't throw away.
It feels fag forced. The latest episode is giving everyone fag fatigue because it went beyond the mild annoyance threshold. I really hope they tone it the fuck down man.
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>>153967150
>Vulnerable
Pyotr wasn't really "vulnerability" and we don't know the circumstances behind the college vampire. With pyotr he still had Marckus and like another anon mentioned, you absolutely could shoot and stab Pyotr. He's coming off of a singular day where
>He saw even more family tension
>He saw an entire firing squad accomplish nothing and in fact nearly die to a werewolf
>His fiance got kidnapped
>More drama with his ex
>Occam tested his loyalties
>D put him into a despair spiral
>They saw a group of Hunters only succeed in capturing a werewolf because they themselves had a werewolf and used the werewolf's regard the natives as bait (monstrous behavior)
>An entire order of hunters still struggling to put down presumably no more than 2 or 3 stolen moons
To be fair to Kitten and the gang, their mental stack must be pretty overwhelmed compared to Pyotr.
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>>153967150
The difference there is that he knew where Marckus was, had home field advantage, and were dealing with one foe relatitvely lower on the supernatural powerhouse totem pole.
Marckus got yanked by the woofs (by and large far more powerful and dangerous to your average vamp) to an otherworldly realm and the woofs have homefield advantage. They couldnt even beat one while having superior numbers and a venerable armory of guns in their corner.
Things are vastly more dire here
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>>153967184
Yeah that's a fair perspective, as I understand it the Marckus and Kitten thing is a holdover from TTS and they made Marckus almost purposefully kind of a whiny fag for humor. Tbf, current Marckus is still kind of one but he's individually more of a based retard
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>>153961967
I hoped Door would of at least gone after and pulled them aside while they were leaving and told them about what happened at the fast food place. As relatively normal joes, it seems like something that could easily happen to them and/or their loved ones.
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>>153955348
I'm just glad Door outright refused Blair's offer first. Given how the previous deals went, I'd hate to think Kitten would be so fucking callous as to agree to hand over his own soon-to-be nephew just for Marckus, because that by itself would make me genuinely detest Kitten instead of just being annoyed by him.
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>>153967381
Could you fucking *IMAGINE* the sheer fucking hatred Kitten would get on every single side if he was willing to sacrifice Boy for his fiancé? Like holy shit that'd be so fucking amazing to see, Beacon of Reason straight into Actually Hitler speedrun
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>>153967381
That would make kitten actually interesting. Right now he's kinda boring especially as he's just screaming for his boyfriend right now and before hand he was just a tool for D to info dump onto. I'm want them to do ANYTHING interesting for him.
Him maybe not talking the offer but considering it would be enough to throw a wrench in the relationships especially with best character Door.
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>>153967231
Blame people posting this in last thread.
Boy and Blair is made for corruption
>>153967486
Door wouldn't run. He can reliably beat Blair in 1v1 unless she gets a jump on him.That's why he's getting ambushed, wounded badly and left to bleed on ground in pain as Blair runs Boy down, grabs him and flings him on her shoulders in fireman's carry. Made to listen as his cries of help get first muddled with rebreathed laughter and then the distance.
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>>153967632
Posts like these are legitimately so in the spirit of WoD I legitimately want the team to show the real shit already. Kitten and Amanda went down the Spiral for a bit and D knows about shit like the Tzimisce horrors but the most they've actually seen so far has been a single Garou. Whenever we get Door or Boy actually in serious danger is when the series will become peak again.
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>>153967816
Anon, a pre existing character template for Vampire is actually just a girl who fucks dogs. Another one is basically an incest baby freak. We got shit that's way worse than megacorporations stealing children in our own irl world, if you don't think this is a cool ass plot in a World of Darkness situation you're nuts. /ss/ is garbage, I agree, but as a plot point its cool as fuck.
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>>153967976
Well maybe they should be a little more sex work positive and embrace a new paradigm of relationships and thinking then, given we are going to start the gay month soon enough right? Chud like prudishness is so 50s, Kitten is almost certainly some kind of Kinfolk or a Woof, chuck him in the pit and have people record what happens, just don't forget to place the Sponsored by PENTEX watermark when he starts to forget about Markus.
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>>153968223
Mostly people having fun with with clearly there being the D Family connections and enlightening one another on the Black Diamonds. It was kind of a nothing episode in practice, nothing got done and nothing of importance moved or got explained further except the teaser that basketball dude is kind of a dick and probably might turn nephandi if he doesn't stop growing evil cthulu eggs. Besides that, who cares, the most exciting thing is a zombie and Tumblr Sexyman failing to do his spirit gimmick while everyone else was doing Lethal damage.
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>>153968248
>while everyone else was doing Lethal damage.
Not Sybil.
Sybil drove me fucking crazy with the constant "Uhhh, I'm gonna just stand back and observe to see if I can find any weaknesses on the zombie" as everyone else was just fucking bashing on the damn thing and actually killing it. SpeakerD at some point really should have just said "Hitting it seems to be working" so she finally got the message.
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>>153968279
Tell me with a straight face Sybil exists as a concept in your mind and doesn't stop existing whenever Odoroshi stops talking. She's so far been so nothing she's not even potential girl, she's a snoozer hit, as in she prehits the snooze button and keeps asleep. I don't even get how she's so boring when you compare every single intro video too, she's so fucking lame it's actually a little aggravating I'm not gonna lie.
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>>153968315
Well, SpeakerD said everyone would have their day, so I can only assume eventually she'll get her own little sideplot the same way Bill has the Technocracy, Samson his alien eggs or Parker his... everything. Probably the vampires tracking her down for a horrible masquerade breach, I'd guess.
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>>153967632
>That's why he's getting ambushed, wounded badly and left to bleed on ground in pain as Blair runs Boy down grabs him and flings him on her shoulders in fireman's carry
Thine Faeder, laid bare... desiccated on the rocks, by thy hand... The Abbot, will know.
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>>153968384
Fuck, that's actually true. A good play on the marketing department.
>>153968403
I mean in order of preference and shit we got
Parker>>>>>Bill=Samson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sybil
Parker has an entire technocracy grudge and the coolest avatar and history and more which has been foreshadowed with Bill and Samson both, especially the fucking Aztec ball game conspiracy that's actually real. Everything ties down to Parker in the end, down to him having the fuckass cool gun and scepter and build advice from Speaker. Even if we ignore that, Bill had an entire escape from a facility and an Alien attack, and Samson had hermetic backgrounds, alchemy shit he has repeatedly used, BASKETBALL and also just actually him having a real kill count. Sybil got eaten by a "vampire" that was out in the sun at an art exhibit and likes gore.
So if we start going by everyone having their day, we just gotta be realistic here and admit Parker has Monday to Sunday fully booked, Bill and Samson begrudgingly share Monday to Friday and Sybil has February 29th
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>>153968248
>nothing important
Paradox was hoogely important, especially if SpeakerD is taking liberties with repercussions of paradox like with the guy getting trapped in his own photo. Could be very interesting when real Magic starts getting used.
>>153968315
To be fair all the intrigue has been carried by Bill being an action hero and Parker being solidly up to no good. Sybil has really played the voice of reason compared to everyone else and especially Samson's "I'm gonna drink the evil gatorade"
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>>153968223
I asked this shit minutes before they started the fight. Out of the cast, Samson and Bill seem the most interesting, with me prefering Samson. Sybil... is really there I guess? I don't remember her doing much on the fish guy episode, and so far she hasn't done much to the point I'm watching (I'm at the point wherw Bill death striked the zombies chest, speaking of, how much health did that thing have?)
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>>153968617
>To be fair all the intrigue has been carried by Bill being an action hero and Parker being solidly up to no good. Sybil has really played the voice of reason compared to everyone else and especially Samson's "I'm gonna drink the evil gatorade"
Honestly no, everything hinges in Parker and Samson. Without the Hermetics they'd be fucked and without Parker trying to ice stone a technocrat ally nothing would happen, technocratic escape from Bill or not. Sybil hasn't been voice of reason for a long while given she was digging into an exploded fish mans throat for clues, she's just as insane as everyone else.
The real tension is with Parker being hunted and being a little shit with a gun and staff and God complex, Parker being the leader of this pack of clowns with expertise in deception, and Samson being the most aggro fuck you gonna do about I'm gonna potioncraft evil shit fuck you I hate you player actually moving things forwards, that0s what's moving stuff on and keeping it interesting, not Bill being a schizo with strings or the monkey with a Gun. Even the whole point of Samson distracting Parker was just so the other two could pop out of his phone.
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I thought it was hyperbole, but she really did do positively nothing in combat. I guess SpekerD made the zombie go for her so she wouldn't just ogle the damn thing the entire fight. The wrestler guy Sybil knows, even if he was incapacitated would have at least been more fun to watch than 'hurr analyse durr' that Sybil did
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>>153969535
I believe her issue was that SpeakerD kept describing the combat situation as "The zombie is not slowed down by your attacks" and Nostalgia thought it was a puzzle fight she had to figure out, and not that the zombie was just tanky and reacting how a zombie would. In practice, she really just did nothing, but to be fair, that's on SpeakerD for not clarifying that hitting the zombie IS doing damage and will end the fight and there's no secret string to pull on that will make it fall apart instantly.
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Sybil's most interesting aspect to me, odd as it may sound, was her pathetic track record against Salsa Verde.
I believe that even if her combat performance remained the same as now, she would be a much entertaining character if she went full in on being a seething pretentious artists who gets constantly overshadowed by actual slop, which everyone around seems to love. As it stands her only eccentricity is liking macabre stuff, but she could go further.
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>>153967936
Sadly enough all of Blair's interaction and chemistry is with Boy. Who else is she going to beat up and rape then?
Door is too big
Rest of D squad are fags
Mr Palmer is her boss
Who does that leave us with? Git and Spit? The gnome guy?
And don't even start about pairing her with women ffs.
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Oh neat.
Personally, I find it a much more enjoyable show than HtP despite technically being the same writing team. I don't know, maybe having total control of the script in Hunter makes them go to ridiculous extremes I find annoying while the in real time game format forces them to adjust to the speed of their normier players, thus grounding things and keeping shit balanced. Same with the voice acting, performances in Hunter can get so tryhard to the point of being insufferable, specially when they push for thick accents, making the half-acting Wizard feel refreshing by comparison.
Well, there's also me finding the character design in Hunter to be rather gross, with a very blatant preference for hairy baras, BBW and what not, but that's mostly me exposing myself for having boring taste.
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>>153970442
4 years. 3 redesigns. Basically no plot movement. I cannot wait for the state of the ogre video where they basically go quirky mode "heyyyyyyyy we are abandoning zero viscosity and the fallout thing because we are cripplingly slow and cant do shit lol also buy the new plushie".
Ill see the fairy episodes when I have actual children. Nonsense.
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Horrible. My soul curdled in dread reading this.
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>>153970680
Honestly, I expect one of them to die before this is over. Someone important who does all the voices. That straight up happened in the Gohan Blanco parody series. Slick Goku or whatever had a stroke and died in his sleep.
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>>153970861
Oh yeah thats unironically a huge risk. This shits been a thing for like 6 years and in that time they have not either secured huge monetary compensation to achieve real long term stability or really done enough to become big like some kind of digital circus. All kind of just a huge nonsense ball of risk, and if someone like Thunder kicks it, or Speaker, its legit just over
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>Door is too big
>Boy
>I would like to inform you that Kitten's mistake has been corrected
>We reached a compromise...
>Of which I have news. Both good and bad
>"..."
>Indeed. It's better to focus on good first.
>Whatever backroom deal was worked between your uncle and the... worm people is over. We are not giving you up. Not now, or ever.
>And that is unfortunately where good news end
>Beginning with what you SHOULD under all circumstances consider as bad: You are going to have a new mother
>"..."
>So we will have to set in few rules for household
>1. Do not share any real information with her. She is a spy, regardless of any bonds necessity enforces on us
>2. Do not accept any foodstuffs or chemicals from her... In fact, DO NOT stay alone with her in an enclosed space under any circumstances
>3. If you hear anything coming from our room, do not, as they call it, take a peek. Not even if it sounds like I am being killed.
>With one exception. If I were to scream loudly 'Laocoön' you should immediatly go and get rest of the family
>"..."
>You understand. Good. And I have to admit this is partially my fault.
>And I have to admit, I too have needs
>Needs that I may have ignored for far too long since you were born.
>I know you may remeber your mother as a demure woman, but she too had... a side that was more wild and harsh than a Boy of your age should concern yourself with.
>Now, would you be dear and help me remove glass shards from my back? I feel some of them have burrowed rather deep.
>"..."
>You will indeed need the stool to reach all of them. Good boy.
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>>153967936
Oh my ass it’s “a cool plot”, you facetious ape. It’d be interesting if she tried abducting so Palmer and Pentex could try and to shove a bunch of banes in him to later let loose on his family, the faggots infesting the thread only want /ss/ rape shit despite Pentex obviously having better uses for a new Guinea pig.
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>>153970680
I get they are enjoying the higher production values of HtP, but at least the animated cutout style of TTS made episodes come together quickly.
It certainly doesn't help that they're taking Hunter more seriously, so we don't get absurd funny shit like Kitten playing a children's card game against a Chaos god.
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>slaps her shit in blood gulch
>exclusively kills her with rifle bashes
>calls her burger lady and tbags her every time
>her distorted mask screaming is made even worse with that 06 era mic quality
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>>153971140
I read this in Door's voice and goddamn is it funny.
>>153970744
Fair enough, but Samson comes across more as stupid, experimental, and reckless at the moment. Parker is full blown edging the Nephandus route.
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>Writing team
NWG is a liveplay, so while there's probably a bit of writing going on in the scenario it's mainly players reacting so it's kind of hard to compare the two. As for vocal performance, yeah I suppose the thick accents can be insufferable but it's kind of about the different setting in that regard. I must admit I like NWG because I'm a Magefag and I like the whacky shit that can happen in Mage compared to Hunter, but I don't think NWG can really match the highs of HtP's better episodes. Not in regards to animation or lack thereof, but it's hard to do genuine character exploration in an actual roleplaying game (without coming off as cringe) whereas something like Door's rampant Hunter-brained thoughts are a neat detail in 5.3
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>Blair smashes her controller and screeches in a combination of frothing rage and mind numbing despair
>Kitten hears it and sighs
>he knows this’ll mean an ASDA trip for him and a four hour sobbing/cuddle session with the ghoul dogs for Blair after someone manages to coax her from out of the crawl space
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Amanda is definitely the most straight (wo)man this series has so far. She's just a janny that's trying to cope with finding out the supernatural is real (and most of it wants to kill you). They do have the perfect opportunity to recruit her (Kitten could definitely use some help with the house since it seems no one else really helps him with it), but like mentioned she seems more like B-Team material along with Kevin and Chapman.
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>>153968279
You are spoiled.
This is a TTRPG game first and your free entertainment second.
There's nothing unusual about a player being more passive and cautious than their peers - especially if their PC is not built for tangling in combat.
An example of actual infuriating behavior is people trying to badger others into 'playing correctly'.
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>>153976453
Hi odoroshi. Please get a butchers knife and become a cool as fuck butcher mage, you need some edge and cool moments to recoup your art aura loss and digging into necks. Like the using your magic voice to soothe people was cool but you need like, an art gun. Maybe like an acid paintball gun?
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My GAY HUSBAND, who has been KIDNAPPED? Is happy and perfectly content with his HETEROSEXUAL werewolf wife? Who has KIDNAPPED him and quensched his thrist for knowledge by teaching him about HETEROSEXUAL WYLD love instead of our pure hearted HOMOSEXUAL WYRM DEBAUCHERY? And I will be forced to watch my GAY HUSBAND turn into a STRAIGHT MAN and have thousands upon thousands of little cubs to look over? All the while I will be a lonely GAY loser who has to make do with a rich beautiful ghoul? YABADABADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED TO SAVE OUR HUSBANDROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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>>153976453
>This is a TTRPG game first and your free entertainment second.
Since when are there TTRPG games where one of the party members doesn't participate in combat? Even if you're not a PC specced for combat, you usually at least throw shit at the bad guy from a safe distance. I'm not going to criticize it too harshly because it was just the first real fight and Odoroshi might still be figuring out what kind of combat they can expect, but then don't come yourself and make it a bigger deal than it is too.
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>>153976370
Here I thought Door was 40ish with boy being about 12. That means Door had him at what, 24?
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>>153978434
If door is 36 and Boy is basically 11, he'd effectively had him at 25, which means he was banging a girl at 24. This also likely implies he was 18 and straight into the military for a probably 6 year contract.
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>>153978850
Well yeah, even this current situation where Door has his kid around as a Hunter is at best unusual, in reality, its fucking beyond retarded to bring your 11 year old kid to go hunting, much less to actually confront the quarry and do shit with it.
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It's a running thing in D family. They were doing it with Marckus too
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>>153979500
Bad parenting is cyclical, Anon.
Worts part is, there's nothing else they can really do.
Normalcy isn't an option, mentally or economically.
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>>153979762
>Hello, Blair
>...Or should I say, BurgerLady84?
>Keep that in mind, it is your new nick on this internet tube thing
>Yes, I saw the video. Hilarious. Classic BurgerLady84, if I dare to say
>You better keep up with the output, too. Tellus people are expecting a new 'epic gamer spergout' on weekly basis
>And they better do numbers, too.
>You know what happens if they don't... ;)
>Oh wait, you haven't worked with Tellus before
>Let me explain shortly what convention duty means
>Do you happen to know what 'booth babes' are?
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>>153979762
Liteally this but with Blair as Arin. and Boy as Dan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-EZJ9PdKrI
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>>153980921
Boy, Markus, and Kitten, yes. D would reject it on the basis of it being corpo propaganda designed to sell bane filled plastic toys to kids and corrupt them, Door would either find their designs fascinating or critique them to high hell. Horse would vomit blood on them that probably turns one alive or some equally fucked shit.
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>>153981078
We are on 4chan Anon. Are you projecting your feelings into mine or are you trying to hit on me, because you are acting like either a woman or a faggot, and if you can't handle people having a different opinion with an actual argument behind it perhaps bluesky is the platform for you to express yourself and witness.
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>>153981210
For extra fun, read this like Hard McTack.
Take a cent leave a cent Anon. People don't take you very seriously when you start a convo by stating, quote
>you're a whiny baby
Nobody has to treat you nicely here or to give a damn about whoever you are, they do so only if they wish to do so and the environment is up for it. You'd know this if you knew the basic culture and customs of this place, but ironically treat this it with no respect like some white supremacist internet coloniser imposing himself upon linguistics and culture. Very socially disrespectful of you and lacking insight for your behaviour, racism coded even.
Consider improving your basic manners, you little toilet toffee. A man gives you an actual argument about writing quality and you end up proving him right by having a sore behind and no eloquence in your speech, slinging insults and asking for fairness when you started with a verbal suckerpunch. Fear of the boogeypol is the most sad shit your kind tend to do, and (You)r types delay your movement beyond your understanding whenever you react like this.
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>>153981371
>I'm pissing my britches because characters in a youtube show are gay because I hate the gays
>but you have to respect my bigotry or you're a meanie
lol, lmao even
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>>153983176
You took around 2 hours to miss the point and do another personal insult ignoring the argument? You might actually be a tourist woman to pull up a twitter screencap and everything with a foreign filename and using words like bigotry as an authority instead of having a point. White imperialistic linguists be like.
Does make more sense in hindsight, given how girls don't tend to have much expectations of being able to argue or real pushback to argue better. Insult based vibes do tend to fit the style better and the lowercase is usually a sign of someone who really can't type like a person either. God this is actually kinda getting fun.
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>>153969535
>but she really did do positively nothing in combat
I don't get why people are bitching about this repeatedly. Shes not a physical fighter....... shes weak as fuck and put her stats into other shit. Shes going to become a digital adept, why the fuck would a reality hacker. Go unga bunga me cavewoman me bonk strong ass zombie with deadly fist of wet paper. Me go up close to zombie me strong me can tank hit.
>Ok so the zombie just shoves you with his elbow while turning around to attack the real threats
>Roll for soak
>DING DING DING DING
>Poe'kays the zombie briskly shoves you with his elbow it causes you to fly several hit slamming into the wall, the force of which causes you to bound off the wall and slam head first into the wall
>You are now srsly fucked up you are crippled
>You now have a -5 penalty to dice pools
>movement is nearly impossible
>You are barely conscious, one more hit and you absolutely will die
>What the fuck were you thinking with your shitty stats charging to attack the zombie head on
>You are a female with autism that is 4'10 and 90lb on a good day. Bill could blast ass after eating a few O'Tolleys gutbuster (BEFORE AWAKENING MIND YOU). And the force from his anus compressing the gas and releasing it is able to send you flying across a room. GOD FORBID HE HOLDS UP A LIGHTER TO HIS ASS AND LETS IT RIP. This would create a fire cone on par with sorcery with 3 dots in hellfire (or is it balefire whats the fire socery spell thats above fire and looks daemonic but its not). This feat could cause a normal human to dust a vampire gen 9 and above in one hit. gen 9-6 would harm them and cause them to roll for rotschreck due to.
>Stay the fuck away from combat till you get some cool toys ie plasma gat, use cyber magik to blast lightening from power cables, use autistic interwebs Science to h4x0r0z reality with your cyberdeck, turn your taxidermy animals into a cyber android chimera with l4z0r0zx0 eyes thunder claws&spitting acid
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>>153983413
Odoroshi you can just do other stuff like throw knives, you had a kitchen and your character is a sorta edgy artist with a jacket, you can just go edgelord. Odoroshi you can borrow Tumblr Sexyman's gun, he doesn't even use it. Odoroshi, you can even just use the giga brained thing of lobbing some good old fashioned vases or cool things you find, your character was in a nutcase house. Nobody normal here types like 8 periods, did someone warn you we were talking smack?
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>>153983664
>like throw knives
>Odoroshi you can borrow Tumblr Sexyman's gun
Dude no, srsly what the fuck shes weak as shit/lacks skills. That would cause her to either cut her hand or worse throw the knife fail at hitting the zombie and like thankfully hitting Samson with the butt of the knife. And with a gun waste bullets hitting nothing, hit the zombie causing it to charge her eating massive shit or worse of all botch and shoot bill/samson/parker.
She wasn't even able to knock over a stack of boxes. Her stats are wet paper, shes totaling going to be a glass canon in the future. Being able to do all sorts of cool shit and hiding away Yeah ok Bill has a monkey with a gun. Sybil will be able to have drones&attack robots. Until they're able to get bad ass battlesuits/cybernetics packing some srs heat with fucked up firearms that make no god damn sense what so ever.
Do you not understand what risk reward is? someone with shit melee stats and a frail body putting themselves in harms way attacking someone. Is a threat to the party by either hurting themselves, botching and hurting a party member or worse having the enemy get enraged charge at you and toss your ass at another party member or being in front/behind someone taking a hit and banging into someone else. Which causes them to fuck up for their phase because their ass is on them or they got knocked over or etc.
Shes playing a class that is beyond weak as fuck at first but grows to be a fucking powerhouse, Shes playing on hardmore dude.
Why all the autistic rage? She hasnt been completely fucking worthless. The ball just needs to start rolling figuring out her craft turning art&programing&autism into a reality hacker or someone that fucks off literally into the real internet meeting tons of powerful mages to help train/teach/sell shit/offer work.
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>>153983900
>plebbitor poaching art
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>>153980002
Imagine Palmer frequently attempting to reabsorb Blair into the fold. Phone calls from spoofed IDs, letters through the door, strange encounters on the street. Once Pentex sinks their claws in, they don’t let go easily.
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>>153983983
>Why all the autistic rage?
What's up with the projection from butt mad people today here man. They get called out for being kinda useless or wrong and then get hella angry, then say everyone is raging when the people here are downright polite and talkative.
You are like near word count max to say what you can say in 2 lines you mcdonalds bathroom sauce container.
>low skills means more botches so she might be a nuisance in trying to hit
>hurting others is probably bad and she's going to scale and use cooler stuff later so its ok
While true if you don't do anything you are useless still. "I analyze the zombie" and "I fail to do anything" means she's useless in these situations, objectively speaking, and that she won't be useful. You can get mad at this, but people have a right to judge her usefulness, long meta build later on or not, and right now she is useless and kinda boring so she's not very liked. I don't really care for your word salad that can't even capitalize words Odoroshi-sama/Redditor-kun, please learn brevity and eloquence, the text makes you sound like you are 15 years old and have shaky hands from adrenaline.
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>>153983900
>He linked back to archive
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>>153972550
>I read this in Door's voice and goddamn is it funny.
His voice is really easy to emulate in text form. Don't really know why.
>>153971231
I'd say Door has a different definition for that word than most people.
And if you go how Dorn was in 40k, he could very well have secret super masochist side.
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>>153984474
Dont forget Grimal and Kitten were together previously, and based on their conversations during the search for Fatigue's killer they really like each other before Grimal blew it
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>>153984113
>What's up with the projection
Dude I scrolled down the thread and there is a bunch of posts bitching about her.
>You are like near word count max to say what you can say in 2 lines
And so are the posts bitching about her. So many posts ITT are near or at the limit. Because its discussion, not social media phoneposting with less than 200 characters or 30 second videos. Because zoomzooms get enraged with anything that causes them to read/use real cognitive functions.
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>>153980921
Door would prefer legos due to their structural stability, but Boy would love them so he holds his tongue about it, and Marckus definitely helps him build fun custom ones by kitbashing loads of different ones together. Kitten is largely agnostic ("they're cool I guess") and D hates basically all modern toys ("IN MY DAY WE MADE FRIENDS OUT OF STRAW AND USED IT TO COMMUNE WITH THE FAE!"), and Horse is a Horse, of course.
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>>153984539
>Dude I scrolled down the thread and there is a bunch of posts bitching about her.
That is nowhere near autistic rage Anon. You or someone else is projecting or being real hyperbolic, they are informed posts criticizing her. This isn't making stuff up, nobody is making up stories, these are real things.
>And so are the posts bitching about her. So many posts ITT are near or at the limit. Because its discussion, not social media phoneposting with less than 200 characters or 30 second videos. Because zoomzooms get enraged with anything that causes them to read/use real cognitive functions.
Discussion is one thing, elaborating the point is another, ranting endlessly with no point and failing to achieve one is, obviously, pointless. If the guy I replied to talked about basic botch math that'd be relevant as a more objective metric of how bad an idea it is, but the core idea is she's useless and was useless, and the was useless is objective, the is useless is within debatability for practical terms.Also TTRPGs are meant to be fun and an art girl firing 50BMG revolver rounds and breaking her wrist as she domes the monkey is probably the peak of fun man, or a failed circus knife thrower arc.
You guys get way too emotional when characters get criticized. None of what we are saying is rubbing salt in the wound, its wishing things get better. Imagine Sybil but she's juggling butcher knives, that'd be fucking rad
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>>153984767
Spoilers are true and very WoD, but itsa super botch and once again stat wise shes wet paper. Her getting crippled/maimed would have been super easy or worse botched in the fucking super botch going unconscious nearly dying. Which would force everyone into defending her at all costs, which would also put them in a fuck load of harms way. HOWEVER SOMEONE HAD AN AUTISTIC NARCISSISTIC WIZARD'S WIZARD GUNgungonrevolver thats odds are enchanted or someshit and could have totally headshot the zombie. Instead of everyone going into melee with no weapons like fucking cavemen. Dude was being so nice to everyone that fight could have SHOULD have went so much worse
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>>153984912
Oh absolutely Anon, that's actually kind of my point. Sybil made a character that's effectively useless at the smallest form of conflict or fight right now and given conflict is inevitable and when high stakes happen and her greatest success was defusing one single weird thing happening with the monkey, she's sounding more and more like she is legitimately neither that interesting as a character, as reactive or explosive as people like Bill and Samson or as charismatic and important to anything like Tumblr Sexyman.
I'm not saying every Mage needs to have been ex military airforce knife juggling gunpowder blunt smoking CQB practicing maniacs with a deep lore and complicated background, but she's not even like, kinda relevant when things matter which is most conflict scenes. I want to root for the art girl with something man, I want her to be more interesting, to fuck shit up, to fail spectacularly even or to succeed, because 4 interesting characters beat the fuck out of 3 and one kinda useless tagger on.
Speaker can't sandbag forever and the last thing I actually want is for Sybil to legitimately not do a single cool thing before she gets got. The worst sin in a story is unrealized potential, and while it is a TTRPG, for as much as you might think I'm doing autistic rage, I'm doing instead autistic yearning for manifested potential. Give the girl a .22 submachinegun or something, a derringer, a paintball gun infused with Prime so it does lethal damage and she can roll like Dex+Art, fuck it, Speaker steal this idea from me now.
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she's a much more competent social build than a fighter, the team's comp is balanced around a lot of different talents. it's early game as well and the combat was certainly unexpected - it was a legendary botch roll that caused the zombie to animate to begin with, and Sybil was smart enough to know she wasn't about to bring the thing down with her puny combat strats and was trying to help in a more indirect way. mind you this was supposed to be the safehouse where they got their bearings together and just start exploring their magical potential, analyzing character weakness now is like extensively critiquing the character build of a level 1 goblin.
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>>153985076
Speaker needs to throw her a contact on
h4x0r irc, for someone to point her in the right direction on how to get wizard loonix and where to buy cool real computers/tech. Thats when the fun will happen get her in contact with the adepts so she can learn shit and get legit gear. Then she will no longer be worthless.
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>>153985455
No actually, if you fuck up a basic build so bad you can't even fist shank or shoot a dude without a like 60% chance of a botch then you probably are actually building wrong, kinda like making a melee sorcerer with a knife in 5e with no true strike and refusing to cast spells. Past a point you are just fucking around.
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>>153985515
Dude its WoD you can go full social no problem, you can form contracts with shit from the umbra. You buy/buid drones/driods&robots. With money you can get augmented to fuck giving yourself massive stat boosts from cybernetic limbs. Etc etc etc you dont need to fight a single fight you can get others to do it for you.
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>>153985655
Dubs aside that is so lame it hurts man. Also what cyber augs, she's anti technocracy as a or droids and drones and robots, none of these guys are technocracy aligned at all or with more than 300 bucks between all of them and neither will they probably ever be since we will have like, 2 episodes a year tops.
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>>153985515
Sybil already has a whole side-character cast she could call into battle for her, like the jigaloo daddy or her mexican wrestling friend. she could also easily become a hacker-lady virtual adept and help through combat that way, up to and including having combat robots. it's not a D&D style game where you really need combat stats so long as you can justify different means of gaining help through your other stats.
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>>153986301
Or have the ability to subcontract the combat to everyone else.
>>153986369
Honestly it'd be kinda obvious, the world is so shit it makes Worst Korea look a bit like a fucking paradise. There are actual demons in the food, more dispossessed homeless people than people with homes, basically anyone and anything can and will become a commodity, evil reigns so uncontestedly that it does not try to hide its presence, just its nature, and so on. If it feels like the Earth is about to wind down and there will be no intelligent life left on it in give-or-take a century, you are probably in WoD. If there are a bunch of guys with bionics shooting lightning running around everywhere, it's a 50/50 on WoD or Cyberpunk.
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>>153986301
Sure fire way to die or want people to kill you. Have eyes behind your head, keep your mouth shut unless its around people you trust and even then. Never be outside at night alone unless its super in public. NEVER GO INTO REALLY BIG PARKS AT NIGHT. The Fae are everywhere and want to eat you.
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>>153979619
It's important yeah that being a Hunter is fucked any which way you slice it, leave the kid at home and be constantly afraid you aren't coming back or that one of your enemies will track you down or some manner of supernatural will come to you, or teach him the way of the Hunter and have him die in action or be doomed as a schizophrenic paranoid hobo who's constantly looking out for trouble. It is a blessing and a curse to know of the supernatural
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I get why SpeakerD and the like enjoy this world so much, it's a good blend of the mundane Hell with...hellish Hell.
Really makes you feel like a poor shmuck.
Makes me wanna play Vtmb but I'm flat broke right now and I might not even have a permanent place to stay if I don't play my cards correctly.
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>>153985455
I actually like it when players overlap their specialty. My current campaign has characters with positively 0 intelligence, so we're looking at some fun puzzles and computer nonsense that my grugs will be too retarded to understand
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The moon is made of cheese. Also, there's a bunch of Nazis living up there. And it wants to eat us.
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>Boy' ears are still ringing
>There was no time to equip earmuffs
>Not after Blair had dumped an entire mag on Door's back from nowhere
>If it wasn't for ballistic vest...
>He's still laying on the ground, bleeding
>But so is Blair
>Boy aimed for the neck, right under the gasmask
>The bullet hit slightly lower, around clavicle bone, right above vest of hers
>She's down too, and Boy goes to check on his father
>His hearing returns
>"Always check on hostiles first" or someting like that, and his mind adds "if able"
>It's a lesson he's heard many times
>And if Door was seriously hit, he wouldn't be able to speak
>That he had heard from D, though.
>Blair seems almost peaceful laying down on the forest grass
>Even during the coalition meeting it had been easy to sense the roiling coils under the surface
>Her eyes, usually flailing mad around the room are closed
>There's a lot of blood. Entirety of her grey camo is stained dark and heavy
>It smells odd. Metallic, but there's a wrong tint on the smell
>He must have hit an artery. There's one in elbow
>Should he...
>Boy leans down, and puts his hand behind her head
>He knows how most commonly used gasmask models are attached, and he does find the seams
>Ripping it off on the other hand proves harder
>Once he is done, an entire centipede of tubes and metal bits is ripped out of her mouth, leaving her bleeding from mouth over ragged lips
>Her skin is somehow even paler where the green visor usually was. There was almost a tanline visible
>But otherwise she doesn't seem that different from a normal female member of palamilitary organisation
>Should he?
>Boy looks over her face again
>The blood's stopped flowing from her mouth
>Her nose is oddly thin; almost as if the mask had pinched it close over the years
>Her eyes are open
>Two furious, beady eyes stare right into Boy's eyes
>He can feel Door gurgle several feet away
>But otherwise the forest remains as silent as nightly forest can be
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>>153988684
Pray they use more elements from The Dreaming then they do The Lost. There's a clear distinction between dorky day dreaming theater kid and angsty tumblr SJW.
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>>153966624
Based and Wyrm-pilled
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>>153988874
Given D clearly thinks the idea of ghouled fae creatures (what he thought the should dogs were) is an utterly heinous crime beyond imagining, it's very likely that they'll be using more or less entirely Dreaming lore for Changelings. Nobody who knows how fae are in The Lost would ever feel the tiniest bit of pity or sorrow for them.
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>>153988741
/ss/fags keep trying to say the rape is WoD coded, honestly this feels more in line with the setting. Not some triumphant killing or heroic shit just someone who really isn’t meant to live this life going through a morbid situation with an almost clinical detachment that hints at him being too far gone to ever return to normalcy.
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BIG WOLF WOMEN WITH HUGE FAT TITS BOUNCING WITH EVERY STEP AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
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>>153987557
>Pirate vtmb,
I will but I haven't pirated anything in a while.
Where's the easiest place to get it?
I tried GOG once but I got confused.
>but you should try to survive so we can have a thread on the next episode again
I will do my best to avoid dying, so long as I can help it.
I need to get some cash though.
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>>153962928
>Imperial Bureaucracy Hero but as an RPG.
Real game?
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>>153967381
There's no way he actually would though, right? Even if he thought he could weasel his way out, there's no way he'd even consider risking Boy, right? Especially not with Door there - anything less than an immediate and steadfast 'no' would put Kitten on Door's eternal shit list.
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>>153987176
>but I'm flat broke right now
>>>/tg/98138247
Anon there is dozens of splats you can download and read right now. Every VTM game/version/lore/novels. Every hunter,furfag,mage book. The lesser series like daemon,mummy and changling. Srsly check out the mega links and download some stuff just start reading the lore,rule books&etc. It'll really give you a deeper understanding of WoD way way way more than VTMB could ever give you. The games fun sure but its short and janky its also a really shitty intro to VtM srsly LA is a fucking shithole in VtM filled with thinbloods and baby vampires where being a gen 9 thats 100+ years old makes you an old fuck elder.
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>>153995587
Don't mean to get your hopes up, but corpses don't open their eyes.
And even if they did, they wouldn't be able to stare at anyone with hate
Boy is still within potential employee pool here
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>>153997039
>Real game
It’s a porn game.
https://munitions-mori.itch.io/imperial-bureaucracy-hero
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>>153978434
Not really that rare, given it's practically 2007 that means he had Boy in 1995-6. People today have kids later in life, that's all.
>>153979179
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Inspired by it.
40k is one of those settings where things directly inspired from it are better than the thing itself
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>>154000972
I’m a white Canadian, and ISIS was funded by oil and other sources, not by Israel, which they said it was the religious duty to destroy
, along with many others, were dedicated to destroying. Stop pushing conspiracy theories to justify hating Israel. Muslims were capable of wrongdoing long before Israel existed, and that hasn’t stopped for a moment because of Israel. You come across as anti-Israel when anyone criticizes Muslims or points out they’re still capable of bad behavior, and you just dismiss it as IDF propaganda.
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Will both of you troglodytes fuck off?
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>>154002056
I loved the part where his gay partner threw himself (alongside the whole chapter house) under the proverbial bus to save him from any sort of personal responsibility or expense
Another stunning win for Team-D!
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>>154002279
I really want to know if Ogregang wants us to think Big D is the coolest dude ever or if we're supposed to actively hate him. I also want to know if they hate that the audience immediately fell for Matilda since Ogregang is 80% gay men being fags.
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>>154002056
>AND HE KNOWS ABOUT GOLCONDA
To be entirely fair, in the World of Darkness setting this alone is genuinely impressive. He's definitely a fraud for a lot of things but his knowledge is not something to sneeze at.
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>>154002494
That only makes him more of a fraud because his knowledge doesn't match his feats.
>"hurr he tanked a werewolf"
If Grimal isn't a ghoul, she also tanked a werewolf, which means D has the same power level as a misguided 33 year-old girlfailure weeb.
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>>154002539
>same level as Grimal
Grimal took one hit and was out for the count. D took a slash that should have spilled his organs and countered with his sword, dealing Matilda’s only significant injury during the whole fight and forcing her to escape with her gift.
He didn’t just tank a werewolf, he engaged one in MELEE.
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>>154002737
>Grimal took one hit and was out for the count.
SHE WAS GETTING BACK UP BEFORE A 500LB WEREWOLF STOOD ON HER CHEST YOU REVISIONIST FUCK
>D took a slash that should have spilled his organs
IT WAS LITERALLY A SCRATCH WE DON'T EVEN SEE HIM GUSHING BLOOD AT ALL GOD YOU MAKE ME WANT TO RAPE YOU SO HARD FOR YOUR STUPIDITY
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>>154002494
I mean he knows about Saulot, that kinda goes hand-in-hand. What's more impressive to me is that he seemingly has a full collection of Noddist texts in the mini-panel when he is kicked out of the Arcanum, maybe even a full Book of Nod. Cammies freak the fuck out when the Sabbat have one of those, if a mortal has one and they knew about it they'd probably frenzy on the spot.
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>>154002811
Grimal was hit so good that even while Kitten was distracting Matilda with a squad's worth of magdumping into her, Grimal could only manage to crawl away on her hands and knees. D got a good slash across the neck and a laceration in the chest and kept trucking in a direct melee combat against Matilda, where basically no-one else landed meaningful hits.
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>>154003070
You don't understand. There is no way a Hunter should know anything D knows. If D knows these things, then he's beyond the level of a Hunter. If he's beyond the level of a Hunter, then he shouldn't be such an astronomical failure in every fight. He has no feats to back up his knowledge. Most importantly,
He should NOT know about Golconda,
He should NOT know about the Rokea,
He should NOT know about Saulot, and
He should NOT own a "completed" Book of Nod (no one has one because it doesn't exist).
What the writers are trying to get anyone who is informed about the World of Darkness to believe is so far beyond the suspension of disbelief that it negatively impacts the entire body of work. I cannot believe that there is a Hunter that knows everything D knows, but if D does know all of these things, then he should know what will happen to Markus in the Umbra. If D knows what will happen to Markus in the Umbra, then D should have immediately signed his soul over to the Church because that would be a pittance compared to the absolute bullshit that an uninformed Mage Awakening in the Umbra will cause. But, D didn't do that, which means he doesn't know about it, even though he's very clearly worried about Markus falling for thaumaturgy when they were discussing Disciplines.
I haven't slept for a day, but even through this quagmire of a post, you should understand my point. D knows things he shouldn't, doesn't know things he should because of the things he shouldn't know, and doesn't do anything that he should be able to do based on what he knows that he shouldn't know (or might not know even though he should know). He's a fraud because he's a character that can't exist within the setting, unless they're the GM's self-insert and/or Mary Sue. That further breaks immersion because seeing Big D and knowing that he's Speaker D's special character immediately sucks the life out of any scene he's in.
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>>154003244
>You don't understand. There is no way a Hunter should know anything D knows.
Well yeah, about everyone assumes he is a supernatural of some sort, probably a Mummy.
>He should NOT own a "completed" Book of Nod
Every Noddist sect has their own idea for a "completed" Book of Nod, D probably just has a fairly complete set.
>I cannot believe that there is a Hunter that knows everything D knows, but if D does know all of these things, then he should know what will happen to Markus in the Umbra.
Well he does have knowledge-gaps which makes sense from certain angles - knowing about Saulot but not knowing the Vinculum reflects having a lot of knowledge pre-Convention of Thorns but very little about modern vampire goings-on, perhaps because he was active during that time before being put out of commission for a long time and only returning to the Hunt recently (probably the Methuselah they hunted).
>then D should have immediately signed his soul over to the Church because that would be a pittance compared to the absolute bullshit that an uninformed Mage Awakening in the Umbra will cause.
If Marckus did then the Wolves are paste if they are lucky. But D does know about Mages (at least vaguely, probably not the Ascension Wars but he was around when dudes were flying dragons and flinging fireballs) and thus probably at least a little about Awakenings, and figured Marckus probably would've awakened by this point if he was a Mage.
>He's a fraud because he's a character that can't exist within the setting, unless they're the GM's self-insert and/or Mary Sue.
I'm not sure why not, he's clearly hesitant to avoid sharing what he knows and consorts with other supernaturals from time to time, including turning Vampires and Ghouls to his side. For me he seems a lot more like a character that survived a previous campaign and gets recycled by the DM as an NPC in another campaign, with their own background and skillsets to vary the story up a bit.
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>>154003457
We're talking in circles because you're defending a character not doing anything in the series and justifying it with anemic excuses for everything except his lack of action. There's nothing more we can discuss because you're either unable or unwilling to understand that D is a fraud because:
A) He's informed and supernaturally powerful, but chooses to not share information nor act because it helps the group (somehow), or
B) He's informed, but not supernaturally powerful, which means he can't exist as a realistic person within the setting because he would've been slaughtered by now for learning what he's learned, which breaks the story entirely.
Reply to me if you must, but I will no longer reply to you. Have a good day.
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>>154003525
Not him but a lot of arguments start to make sense when you realize a lot of the times the "the other side" doesn't consider you ingroup and so they pretend they can't understand your argument as their main debate strategy to wear you out. Everyone here can actually understand what you are saying, the same way the salty people about the gay stuff being too much can very easily understand the arguments as to why people are getting sick of it.
Doesn't matter if you aren't actually their enemy mind you, just that they think you aren't their friend so they give you a hard time pretending they can't get you so you can never have a point because they can't get it. Abandoning logic and actually pretending to be retarded to not lose face on an anonymous website is wild but happens a lot.
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>>154003525
>He's informed and supernaturally powerful, but chooses to not share information nor act because it helps the group (somehow)
You can't posit both the knowledge is so dangerous that it wouldn't ever get out *and* it should be shared freely at every junction.
All of this besides the point this isn't a curated game session turned into an animation (look at Norfolk Wizard Game for that), it's just a animation flat-out, so you can make up whatever character if you want. It's far from the silliest idea in WoD, between curing a literal Curse from God with chemistry or the steampunk airship armada and androids enforcing the One-World Government until Nikola Tesla blew it up or whatever other silly thing you can think of which is actual WoD canon. If you dislike it then you just dislike the premise of the series, which is fine but then why post in a thread about something you don't like?
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>>154003244
Being knowledgeable doesn't necessary mean being super powerful. A werewolf is still Gaia's super soldier capable of magically punching your head off through a reflective surface. Didn't help that they were cut off guard by it too. The fact D was able to engage in CQC against one at all and not be rendered mincemeat is a point in his favor
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wow, that image failed impressively
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>>154004729
I am confident Amanda is also a garou but like a bonegnawer. One of the sad puppy clans. She probably didnt even know about Fatigue, he'll She probably didnt even know most of what D was talking about or the black spiral. She was just her backup and to help her cover. She probably has been pushing the manimal lust on everyone but they are all so exceedingly homosexual it isnt having an effect.
Also, I am betting Markus is just fine. He probably told him how they fought vampires and how he voiced them to eat eachother and that is so messed up and violent he'll have red claw birches humping his leg begging for his pups.
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>>154004949
I mean it's possible I guess, but she does seem affected by the Delirium in Ch 5. She could be faking it but she'd have to be a damn good actor. I loathe to think what a Garou would do with an all-access pass IOU from Big D, however. Freaky four-ways between Amanda, Matilda, Kitten, and Marckus... those boys won't survive.
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>>153995917
Not so loud! Jollyjack might come back, and then the weirdos will follow!
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>>154004997
I am convinced it looked like delirium but rather thats how most bonewalkers react to loud noises. She probably hid under a couch the first chance she got! She keeps saying she needs cigs but thats a cover. She says "cigs" when really she means trazadone wrapped in bacon.
Really though, it would make sense if anything but to eliminate the possibility of Matilda being ratted out by a coworker by making that coworker also a spy.
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>>154005457
There is a difference between a girl hyper-powered up by Fist of the North Star tracks pounding your prostrate and a full-fledged werewolf eyeing you up as a sperm depository to give her a new litter.
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Glad this thread is still up, always fun talking about this series.
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To be fair werewolf claws aren't incredibly huge despite being somewhat lengthy and it looked more like a graze (and if D is something supernatural like we suspect, he can soak it somehow) so I'm not entirely sold on that idea. Grimal clearly got fucked up though
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>>154000972
It's a mistake from the past generation that the current generation is trying to fix but can't because of the white left (if jews aren't white, then it is their home), so either help out or shut the fuck up goy.
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