>>77106761
I don't cause i don't do em - bye

Pro tip. Don't try to take your traps out of it. Just do the lift as heavy and for as many reps as you can without hurting your shoulders.

Like its not a problem if you feel bench press in your triceps or your chest. Just consider the lat raise a compound lift.

never understood why people bother with this shit at the gym where cables exist

>>77106789
Cables fucking suck for lateral raises. Destroy the elbows if you are actually strong. Its a completely awkward lift and you have to do 1 arm at a time which is gay

>>77106789
I lift at home

It's because you're going too heavy, causing you to subconsciously shrug the weight instead of leading with your elbows. Spam machines or one-handed variations to get over the hump.

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Upright rows and Lu raises blow the shit out of lateral raises

>>77106761
Do it like this so your traps don't cheat you
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FW8mnBUyFGM

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>>77106990
Take your meds, schizo.

I've never had such a good burn, pump and feel in the side delts before doing upright rows, now some schizo asshole on 4chan tells me i couldn't train side delts with it

>>77106761
take a mini band and put your hands in between it so that it loops around your wrist. hold your hands in front of you make a fist and bring your hands close to your chest. now pull the band apart keeping your hands close to your chest. this is a superior lateral raise also works forearm extensors at the same time

>>77107054
Please man do something else. Everyone hates you and mod have started deleting your shitposts. Please. I open a random thread and there are you and your rants.

>>77107090
Don't you have a life man? Something else to do?

>>77106761
go heavier, like too heavy to actually do a rep without momentum, then build momentum over 15 reps. If you can control the weight it's unironically too light.

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>>77107054
>>77107065
>>77107076
>>77107090

>>77107128
The deletions have triggered him (he won't admit it)

>>77106776
Truth nuke and chad answer.

Let your traps join the party. There is absolutely no reason to try to remove them from the equation

>>77107076
you keep your elbow bent arms parallel to each other and pull your wists apart keeping your elbows in line with wrist, elbows bent to bring your wrist close to chest. it's truly an incredible exercise

>>77106971
Lu raises are fucking stupid though.

I've had left shoulder pain for like 3 months and haven't lateral raised since.

It is what it is.

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>>77107534
Not really, mate

>>77106761
Reach outward with your palms when you do them.
If you can manage, try lightly flexing your lats to help pull down your traps.
Just my 2 cents.

But frankly, feeling it a little bit in your traps is fine.

>>77106761
try Scott Press

don't use your traps then?

>>77108085
if you can't do a lateral raise without moving your scapula you have some sort of neurological disease (acute retardation in your case)

>>77108298
massive skill issue

i have some regex filters that catch most of his retarded posts
he hates this one simple trick

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>>77108085
>>77108298
>>77108347
the schizo is back

>>77106761
lower your shoulders

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>>77108937
Why, what did i do wrong?
>>77108085
>the reason lateral raises, upright rows, overhead press etc. are absolute gutter tier garbage for delts is because u are not moving in shoulder joint

>>77106792
I like it, but you're right

>>77109042
Post shoulders

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>>77109369
here you go bro. how dare you doubt me, now post your massive gyno faggot

>>77109851
holy shit imagine psoas bot was fucking carrot top the whole time

>>77106761
Do unilateral and lean I prefer 15 degree back /left or so after presses

>>77106761
>super narrow mp
>mid-wide
>5050
>finish with flies or 5050 machines
My delts are as wide as my face.

>>77106761
Do them unilaterally makes it harder for the trap to dominate the moment. Lean forward a little.

>>77110536
Fuck off and die troll

>>77106792
Huh? How does it destroy the elbow? My elbow isn't moving at all during cable laterals. Is it just from having to prevent the elbow from flexing against the weight that strains it?

>>77107534
I wouldn't solely rely on them but they're a great finisher

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>>77109037
>>77109042
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>>77110536
>>77109369
>Post shoulders

>>77111056
No way. That person doesnt lift. Or appears not to

>>77111056
He has tits too kek

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>>77106761
Started doing them leaning like this to failure before supersetting machine shoulder press but these hurt my shoulder joints so much more than the old rich piana method.
Thinking about going back even though it's a lot of trap activation.

>>77110784
Its just a lot of tension on the elbow at a weird angle. I was doing 45 pounds and sets of 12 on cable lat raises and the elbow pain got unbearable and I went back to dumbbells. ]

If you are only doing like 20 pounds or something I don't imagine it would hurt your elbows

>>77111238
brother I hope you will trust me and start doing them like jay cutler. This is the best way. Rocking back and fourth like he does is a "cheat" but a good kind of cheat that lets you do more work without getting goofy and using the wrong muscles entirely.

I was constantly tweaking my shoulders before I started doing them like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyD85P3-PpE

>>77111495
man
Is there a wrist watch or something that counts reps for you

>>77111495
Yeah jay is awesome as far as copying exercises and techniques. I like how he's always talking about longevity and how to best save your joints.

>>77111495
Yeah this roughly how I rich did them, I adapted to standing and leaning my free arm on a bench. I don't like the initial jump and it feels way to easy to involve the trap, BUT, in recent dorian yates videos he says that's fine- went back to old Mentzer videos and books and he suggests the same thing, better if you superset machine shoulder press afterwards to more fully isolate the worn out delts.

>>77111479
45lbs seems crazy. I do them only at 10lbs (10 to 12 reps) and after I've done DB Lat raises (25s, 10 reps, no swinging save maybe a tiny bit on the last rep) and that's generally after I've done shoulder press (130 for 8 to 10) so my shoulders are already pretty beat and don't need much.

45lbs seems way too high unless you're huge/on gear or not really isolating the lat delt.

>>77111628
im huge by /fit/ standards. I do them with bent elbows though, straight elbows I do more like 30 pounds. But stright elbows hurts the elbow even more for me

>>77111636
Are you beating up your elbows on other lifts maybe causing it to be more of an issue? Asking only because my left elbow is tender from too much heavy pulling and holding my kid in my left arm all the time.

Since you're limited on cables what do you do instead and do you find it hits your lat Delts just as well?

>>77111495
This makes it almost a straight arm upright row

>>77111667
Yeah bro I am >>77111495 the fag recommending doing dumbbell lat raises like jay cutler

The elbow pain could very well be from other lifts and the cable lat raises just make me feel it acutely. I do a wide variety of lifts. I suspect the heavy cable tricep pushdowns I do arent kind to my elbows either but its doesnt really hurt in the moment

>>77106761
do upright rows on the ez curl bar, wide grip
you VILL feel it in your delts

>>77114047
this has been a game changer for me

>>77106761
Try cables and different heights/angles. Your biomechanics differ greatly from others. My shoulders are now 7+in from the side maybe more like 7 with just front+mid focusing barbell then adding hypertrophy on off days, shoulders recover fast.

I have been trying upright rows with dumbbells instead of a barbell for a few sessions now and I can feel my delts firing up much more. I do them with a slight internal rotation. I don't feel my traps as much as I did with lateral raises.

>>77115703
The fact that traps get used in lateral raises is a feature not a bug. I cannot stand doing shrugs so my traps never get any isolation. Deadlifts and lateral raises get the job done

>>77115707
Extend thoracic, tuck chin - shrug is great again.

>>77106761

because you are an uneducated mothr fukr. and worse, you do not think and just do = monkey. thus, you are a stupid monkey mf'er. bye.

>>77118618
Post body