>>77108905
How the fuck do people even get high cholesterol, I'm fit and have also been a fat fuck years ago and never had it in high levels. Meanwhile I have other friends who have high LDL and have to go on specific diets

high cholesterol is fine as long as you don't eat white bread or sugar

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>>77108905
You fell for the "eat beef and eggs every day" /f/ meme right?
We're not actually doing that, it's a joke.

>>77108905
>Most healthy ketolard

>>77108910
its largely genetic like everything else

>>77108905
Meaningless metric with others let alone on it's own

Lean mass hyper responder

>>77108939
Contextless buzzword poster.

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>>77108924
>its largely genetic like everything else
Big genetics blackpill incomin' breh: foods you eat modify a huge amount of gene expression, including different mechanisms relating to how your body processes cholesterol. Most people can induce either high or low cholesterol through dietary modifications, even if they have genetic factors that predispose them to being in either direction. It's just easier or harder for different people in different directions, sometimes requiring far more molecules than others.

>>77108905
>going to the doctor
lol fucking hell it was over before it began

>>77108905
Mine was 250, not overweight and healthy. Genetic. Got on 5mg Statin. No side effects so far. Did i get conned? Oh well.

>the video that buckbroke /fit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_P4HEhjV4

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>>77108916
OP here
Yes I am on keto but the keto diet is scientifically proven to benefit your health
>>77108912
Eggs are good for you, I have about 6 or so a day
>>77108911
>>77108933
Figured, Jew doctors are always trying to set us up

>>77108911
This is so unbelievably retarded.

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>>77108994
>Yes I am on keto but the keto diet is scientifically proven to benefit your health
>Yes I am on keto but the keto diet is scientifically proven to benefit your health

>>77108994
>I am on keto
That's why your cholesterol is high.

>>77108951
You wouldn't get it because you're probably a grainiac.

>>77109022
ketoschizos and carnivoreniggers like you should be publicly executed.

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>>77108910
>he can't drink milk
Per capita strikes again.

>>77109022
Imagine being so weak that a slice of bread takes you out lol.

>>77108910
Im losing weight and cholesterol is elevated.

Also cholesterol test by itself only indicates a brief moment. It doesn't show what your cholesterol level was on average throughout the week.

>>77109044
I drink milk, anon

>>77109044
Literally everyone can drink milk. Even in the most extremely lactose intolerant regions of the world, it's still only 70-80% of the population. Absolute worst case scenario, which is Myanmar for whatever reason, 1/4 people can drink milk without any problems.

It's a really weird metric for Timmies to obsess over. You know you've really hit rock bottom when it comes to having any meaningful achievements in your life when you're reduced to taking pride in lactase persistence.

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>>77109039
>>77109046

>>77108955
It's just easier or harder for different people in different directions.
That's pretty much life in general. Only problem is that people in general dislike hard things. Its not hard losing fat or even making lots of money, people just dont want to put in the work.

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There is some debate over whether LDL and HDL actually matters but le studies have shown that niacin in the form of nicotinic acid converts LDL to HDL so you could try that along with diet and exercise but no one on /fit/ actually does that.

>>77108912
eating beef and eggs everyday is good for you, just dont fry any of it in seed oils like a retard

>>77108905
Just get on thyroid lol

That's incredibly high. Did your dr talk to you about genetic testing or discuss meds w you

My lifts went up like 30% in a year after i went on pitavastatin.
I had around 230 LDL and couldn't train legs seriously without vomiting or blacking out. Never would've guessed it was caused by high LDL

>>77108910
hypothyroidism will cause high cholesterol because your thyroid isnt converting it into steroid hormones

>>77109480
It's rock solid science that LDL causes blockages.

>>77108905
OP must be Mexican, right?

i had slightly elevated and doc said to reduce the saturated fat to 13g . turns out between eggs, steak, fatty fish butter and cheese i was having fuck ton of saturated fat

>>77109488
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_P4HEhjV4

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>>77111659
>click link
>look in bio
>trying to sell his brand slop to easily influenced npcs as predicted
>le internet man told me it was le bad! I get all my info from youtube grifters!
lolmao

People with high cholesterol live longer than people with low cholesterol

>>77111747
What about people with mid cholesterol?

>>77108994
>Maybe my meme diet is bad?
>Nope reality must be wrong
Ketotards are like cultists

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>>77111675
Okay

>>77111675
>don't fry it in seed oils

Odd, the evidence says otherwise
>> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.114.010236
> These data provide support for current recommendations to replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat for primary prevention of CHD.

> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1
>replacement of saturated fats with other macronutrients, such as polyunsaturated fats, was associated with reduced cardiovascular disease occurrence.

> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.14.6.892
> reducing saturated fats is the key to lowering total and LDL cholesterol.

> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241?login=false
> Our data demonstrate that short-term administration of a diet high in polyunsaturated fats induces a greater level of ketosis and improves SI without negatively affecting total or LDL cholesterol levels

> https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.73.3329
> Findings from this large, international cohort consortium suggest that modifying dietary fat intake (ie, replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat) may reduce lung cancer risk, particularly among smokers and for squamous cell and small cell carcinoma.

>>77111766
>American
stopped reading

>>77111771
Every one of these studies is done from the position of an otherwise standard American diet. It is not the saturated fat which is the problem, but that carbohydrates' bad effects are attenuated by less nutritive oils. Saturated fat is so powerful and good for our bodies that it can amplify the effect of poisonous substances by transporting them more quickly into the cells.

>>77111957
>Every one of these studies is done from the position of an otherwise standard American diet

You have no idea what you're talking about and I know you didn't read or can even comprehend what they are talking about. They are replacement studies meaning the only thing they did was replace saturated fat sources with polyunsaturated fat sources and they found improvements in health.

>It is not the saturated fat which is the problem, but that carbohydrates' bad effects are attenuated by less nutritive oils. Saturated fat is so powerful and good for our bodies that it can amplify the effect of poisonous substances by transporting them more quickly into the cells.

Zero evidence for this and you're just pulling it out of your ass. One of the more retarded things I have read lately.
>"smoking is actually good for you if you only smoke this one specific type of tobacco and do a backflip before you smoke each time!"
We also know the mechanism by which saturated fat raises LDL and causes atherosclerosis, it's not a mystery.

>>77112060
>Zero evidence for this

The evidence is that keto diets are substantially healthier and linked to longevity whereas a diet high in saturated fat AND CARBS is very bad for you. The factor of interest here is not the saturated fat (except for its status as a superfood, really) but the CARBOHYDRATE consumption. Carbohydrates are poison to the human body.

>>77111675
Ok now tell me, if this doc is wrong then who do you listen to?

>>77108905
cholesterol is good for you
one weird trick doctors don't want you to know

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>>77113571
to myself and my own body

>>77112349
>The evidence is that keto diets are substantially healthier and linked to longevity
No they aren't. Otherwise you would have posted the human evidence. The only way you could spin that is in studies where people lose weigh and gain the benefits of losing weight, but even in those studies LDL is still going up.

>>77113659
>Otherwise you would have posted the human evidence.
I'm not going to dig up the studies, but they're out there. Plenty of empirical evidence as well. Beyond that, keto has an enormous array of other health benefits, too.

>>77114741
You do you bro. Ima keep being an omnivore

>>77112349
All the longest living populations eat lots of carbs and little meat

>>77113571
>If you don't take health advice from Youtubers hawking supplements, I have no idea who you'd take advice from
Really dude?

>>77109480
What you should look at actually is ApoB and Lpa
Usually ApoB tracks LDL so LDL is a decent proxy, but for some people, they have genetically different values
ApoB actually tells u how your the number of particles that may clog your arteries.
And Lpa is how genetically you are at risk of clogged arteries (you can't change it)

>>77115216
eat less seed oils and processed slop*
ftfy

>>77115216
hong kong eats lots of meat. japans meat consumption has been increasing alongside longevity
>>77115355
>And Lpa is how genetically you are at risk of clogged arteries (you can't change it)
all of this is wrong

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>>77111771
>meat? butter?
>whole foods from livestock that humans have been eating for thousands of years while building every civilization you know?
>actually, this thing we invented 5 seconds ago is the healthiest thing you can eat
Anyone telling you to eat highly processed oils, which are the main ingredients of every junk food (which obviously kill you), instead of eating real foods is retarded, or a liar, or both. I don't care how many low-quality "scientific studies" you link from "Maryam S. Farvid, PhD" and "Ming Ding, MS."

>>77116815
sneed shills will link dump a bunch of weak association data and biomarkers studies. RCT evidence show no significant benefit from PUFAs over SFAs in spite of all their screeching. here's a summary of the latest cochrane review of RCTs from 2020
>1) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on total mortality.
>2) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on CVD mortality.
>3) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on CHD mortality.
>4) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on fatal heart attacks.
>5) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on non-fatal heart attacks.
>6) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on CHD events.
>7) There was no significant effect from reducing saturated fat on strokes.
>The one significant finding, again, was for CVD events where it was claimed that the risk ratio (RR) for CVD events from meta-analysis was 0.79 (95% CI 0.66 to 0.93). Analysis 1.38 (of a number of analyses), on Page 159, ran a sensitivity analysis for RCTs that did actually reduce saturated fat – excluding studies that aimed to reduce saturated fat but didn’t – and the one finding for CVD events ceased to be significant.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub2/full

>>77108994
>uh oh I have insanely high cholesterol
>why yes I am on keto, why do you ask?
>yes I do eat half a carton of eggs per day, they’re good for you!
>surely it’s the Jews fault I’ve lost my own penis in my voluptuous folds

>>77116940
>replying to bait

>>77116940
No one has ever gotten obese from eating eggs.

>>77116951
My mother has been overweight my entire life. She has been on every diet you can think of, she has eaten exclusively organic, whole, nutrient dense foods for as long as I can remember. We never ate fast food while I was growing up, she never drank alcohol or soda, she cooked everything in butter, olive oil, or avocado oil. She was on every hot-button nutrition trend you all obsess over 10+ years before they were popular. But she never lost weight, she got diabetes even a few years ago. Why? She has never ever been able to restrict her calories and has always tended to prefer low-carb diets over low-fat/low-calorie diets. You can get obese eating anything if you eat too much

>>77116979
Sorry to tell you, anon, but your mother either has a medical condition (e.g. hypothyroidism) that you never knew about or she snuck junk food in behind everyone's back your whole life. No one gets overweight and then develops diabetes from exclusively eating organic whole foods.

>>77116979
>she got diabetes even a few years ago. Why? She has never ever been able to restrict her calories and has always tended to prefer low-carb diets over low-fat/low-calorie diets.
She has been eating too many carbs, you fucking moron. How do you get diabetes without eating carbs? Use your god damned melon.

>>77117045
She did keto for like 5 years after getting the diabetes diagnosis. Guess how much weight she lost?

>>77117068
Negative 50lbs.

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>>77117068
>my mom "did keto" for 5 years and didn't lose any weight
>therefore keto is bad and meat is bad and eggs are bad
>pic rel: her diet

>>77108905
go eat just oats for every meal for a few months. plain, just some salt.

>>77116889
>The included long‐term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 21% .
>Meta‐regression suggested that greater reductions in saturated fat (reflected in greater reductions in serum cholesterol) resulted in greater reductions in risk of CVD events
>The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events.
Do you even read what you post

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>>77116815
>Smoking? Alcohol?
>Plants and natural fermentation that humans have been consuming for thousands of years while building every civilization you know?
See how fucking stupid your "much ancestor" logic is?
>Anyone telling you to eat highly processed oils, which are the main ingredients of every junk food (which obviously kill you), instead of eating real foods is retarded
Nobody is saying to only eat highly processed foods. Thats literally the problem. You're pinning what makes processed food ONLY on the seed oils. Which is dumb and going to lead to retards thinking processed fast food cooked in beef tallow is suddenly healthy. I'm simply pointing out that replacing saturated fat sources with polyunsaturated fat sources improves health outcomes.
>low-quality
Explain in detail.
>>77116889
>weak association
It's not. Otherwise every major dietary association on the planet wouldn't use them. Your degree from Youtube University doesn't make you smarter than them. Feel free to point out which variable isn't being controlled for that would result in hundreds of thousands of people all having a similar results.

>The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events. Replacing the energy from saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat or carbohydrate appear to be useful strategies
???????? Did you not read what you posted?

>>77109841
Thyroid does not produce steroid hormones, nigger retard.

>>77108910
it's entirely genetic and caused by liver production.
I'm at 293 despite exercising daily, low body fat, drink a shit ton of water, etc.
Before that I was at around 350.
Your max efforts to change cholesterol levels will only result in around 50-100 point change at most.

At which point raising hdl is the only actual benefit. having a proper 1/3 ratio of hdl to ldl nullifies almost all negatives of high cholesterol.

>>77117096
Unironically oats successfully tanked my LDL by 40% (replaced dinner by oats protein shake)

>>77108905
Time to go on the dash diet

>>77117109
>our ancestors have been smoking Marlboro cigarettes and drinking Bud Lights for thousands of years
So stupid, not even going to comment on that.
>You're pinning what makes processed food ONLY on the seed oils.
Seed oils are the "highly processed foods," retard. Go watch a video on how seed oils are made. It takes a lot of steps to "process" 98 ears of corn into 5 tablespoons of transparent yellow oil. Surprised you don't know that.
>explain in detail
No, because you are not an honest person. The first research study you linked (I'm not even going to bother opening the rest) is a meta-analysis of prospective observational cohort studies hyper-focused on linoleic acid as a micronutrient. The study itself is only as good as the data it is based on. And I'm sure the data is low quality. Also, you can only extend the results of that study to "linoleic acid," anything else is hypothetical conjecture. Which is why I know you're dishonest. You say beef tallow is bad, keto is bad, eggs are bad, and you link a study on "linoleic acid" to prove that. Not a study on beef tallow or keto or eggs. I'm sure the rest of the "research" you linked is just as useless to this discussion.

>>77117776
>animal products are good therefore plants are bad

LDL isn't even a particularly good measure of your risk.

Did you doctor test for, or even discuss, LP(a)?
What do your tryglycerides look like?
How's your HSCRP?

>>77111766
>AHA
Oh, you mean the organization that took the faulty and completely disproven research of Ansel Keys as if it were gospel?

BTW - heart disease is way up since the AHA's recommendations were put into place.

>>77118037
Who are you quoting?

>>77117101
>Do you even read what you post
you didn't apparently. Here it is again because you're retarded lmao
>The one significant finding, again, was for CVD events where it was claimed that the risk ratio (RR) for CVD events from meta-analysis was 0.79 (95% CI 0.66 to 0.93). Analysis 1.38 (of a number of analyses), on Page 159, ran a sensitivity analysis for RCTs that did actually reduce saturated fat – excluding studies that aimed to reduce saturated fat but didn’t – and the one finding for CVD events ceased to be significant.
>>77117109
>It's not.
per epidemiologic standards it is. you're lying for your agenda. none of what you say has merit

>>77117776
>our ancestors have been smoking Marlboro cigarettes and drinking Bud Lights for thousands of years
Are you seriously implying there was something special about the alcohol and pipes of the past that made them healthy or less harmful?
>Seed oils are the "highly processed foods,"
Yes. And they have better health outcomes than other processed foods like butter. Ideally you don't use fats due to their high caloric and hyper palatable nature, but seed oils have the best health outcomes compared to other fats.
>is a meta-analysis of prospective observational cohort studies hyper-focused on linoleic acid as a micronutrient
....via seed oils. it literally says that in the methodology. What other sources of linolaic acid are there?
>I'm not even going to bother opening the rest
Well you didn't even read the first. And of course you don't care about the amount of data, that goes against your narrative. Ironic you talk about being honest.
>The study itself is only as good as the data it is based on. And I'm sure the data is low quality
Explain how it is low quality.
>you can only extend the results of that study to "linoleic acid
Which is primarily found in seeds and only in the amounts shown in the study is seed oils. And it also replaced saturated fat with seed oils. Again you did not read even this study.
>You say beef tallow is bad, keto is bad, eggs are bad
Yes because they are high in saturated fat. This study showed decreasing saturated fat and replacing it with sources high in linoleum acid (seed oils!) improved health outcomes. This is so simple, just basic reading comprehension and shows you just have zero idea of anything on the topic of nutrition.

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>>77118218
>other processed foods like butter

>>77118056
The fact that you're still bringing up Ansel keys and ignoring the hundreds of studies that have been done since then shows you're just ignorant on the topic and watched a YouTube video.
>heart disease is way up since the AHA's recommendations were put into place.
People generally don't follow the guidelines of eating lots of vegetables, whole grains, lean proteins and limiting saturated fats. And are also very obese. So yes heart attacks are up.

>>77118208
>per epidemiologic standards it is. you're lying for your agenda. none of what you say has merit
Again explain. Just throwing a fit saying it's low quality isn't proving anything. Otherwise every dietary association on the planet wouldn't use them and you would have counter data to provide.

>>77118208
Can you even read, guy? Are you clinically stupid?
>Authors' conclusions
>The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events

>>77118221
Your epic infographic doesn't change the fact that butter is indeed a processed food.

>>77118221
>more stuff scary
>less stuff safe

>>77118218
I'm being called dishonest by a person equating the contribution of livestock to civilization to the contribution of tobacco, a plant from the New World not seen in Europe or Asia until the 1500s. That's remarkable.
>seed oils have LA and butter doesn't therefore this hyper-specific meta-analysis on research studies I never read proves seed oils are healthier than whole foods like butter and tallow and also keto is bad
You read research like a high schooler and you type like one, too.

>>77118229
And seed oils are ultra-processed. They are not equivalent. Don't bother responding to me if you think "degumming, bleaching, and deodorization" are equivalent to churning.

>>77118221
How seed oil is made
1. take seed
2. press seed

How butter is made
1. plant GMO corn
2. bathe corn in agent orange to destroy all life other than corn in the area
3. bathe corn in synthetic fertilizers killing all marine life for 100 miles from the shore
4. feed corn to cow
5. inject cow with hormones
6. inject cow with antibiotics
7. milk cow
8. filter milk
9. cool milk
10. preheat milk
11. pasteurize milk
12. homogenize milk
13. separate milk
14. churn separated cream

>>77118230
Yes. This is why an apple, which you can pick off a tree, is healthier than Oreos, which are made in factories. In other words, real food is healthy. What a surprise.

>>77118251
>How seed oil is made
>1. take seed
>2. press seed
This describes hexane-free cold, expeller-pressed seed oils, which are a tiny % of the market and obviously not what we're talking about here.
>1. plant GMO corn
>2. bathe corn in agent orange to destroy all life other than corn in the area
>3. bathe corn in synthetic fertilizers killing all marine life for 100 miles from the shore
These are actually the first 3 steps to making corn oil, which is a massive % of the "vegetable oil" market. I agree all of this is bad.
>12. homogenize milk
>13. separate milk
lmao

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>>77118243
>I'm being called dishonest by a person equating the contribution of livestock to civilization to the contribution of tobacco
Yes you implied that "Doing a thing our ancestors did means it must be good" and I showed you how fucking stupid that logic is when applied to other things.
>seed oils have LA and butter doesn't therefore this hyper-specific meta-analysis on research studies I never read proves seed oils are healthier than whole foods like butter and tallow and also keto is bad
Seed oils without a doubt have the highest concentration of LA. The study is a meta analysis that used other studies that study the effects of seed oils specifically. Meaning all of that data comes from seed oil studies. I swear you cannot be this stupid. You have to be pretending.

>>77118247
So the only thing the matters to you in regards to health is how a product is made and how that process makes you feel? Christ I can't imagine having to work and interact with women like you every day.

>>77118263
>how fucking stupid that logic is when applied to other things.
And I'm pointing out you "applied that logic" dishonestly, and you're still trying to do so, because tobacco has only been in Europe and Asia since the 1500s. Meanwhile, livestock (and eating whole foods from livestock) has been a hallmark of civilization since forever.

You are championing disgusting ultra-processed oil, invented 5 seconds ago, as a health food, even though more people are eating seed oils than ever and more people are sick with chronic diseases than ever. Seed oils are also just gross. Pour your disgusting canola oil on a piece of toast and try to eat it, you nasty goblin. I'll keep putting salted butter on mine.

I'm not discussing research with you because you don't know how to read or interpret research. Just because seed oils are high in LA doesn't mean this meta-analysis proves seed oils are a health food. The fact you are refusing to comprehend this means you don't care about how research actually works. You're just dogmatic and obsessed with defending seed oils for whatever reason, and that's very obvious at this point.

>>77118290
>tobacco has only been in Europe and Asia since the 1500s
I never specifically said tabacco. I said "smoking" smoking the plant is what makes I bad for you. We have been smoking things for thousands years. We have been drinking alcohol for at least 9000 years.
>I'm not discussing research with you because you don't know how to read or interpret research
You literally cannot comprehend that the data in the study literally comes from seed oil studies, studying a fatty acid only found in seeds, comparing it to people who eat more saturated fat and less of that fatty acid only found in seeds and thinking this paper has nothing to do with seed oils. How did they know the LA improved health? What were those study participants eating? You won't answer that because you know the answer.
>seed oils are a health food
For the 100th time I never said this. I said they have better health outcomes than other sources of fats. Most people are better off limiting all sources of fats that don't come from whole foods due to the calorie increase, but when it comes to using fats for cooking. Seed oils without a doubt have the best outcomes.
>You're just dogmatic and obsessed with defending seed oils for whatever reason, and that's very obvious at this point.
It's actually the opposite. Because you have never seen any data showing they are bad. You just think they are bad because you don't like how they are made and because a Youtuber told you so. You refused to even look at the other studies I posted because you have already made up your mind and won't let anyone change it. Where I looked at the massive amount of human data we have and came to my conclusion.

>>77108905
i look like that

>>77118252
I mean, no, it’s because of what they put in an Oreo at the factory. The processing itself isn’t what’s unhealthy it’s just the mixture of ingredients put into it.

>>77118260
You’re both arguing around the central point which is: industrial farming produces unhealthy food because methods used to maximize outputs lead to decline in the health of the plants and animals used to make food. At the end of the day there is no way out, we’re bought in. Even homesteading is a cope and a larp. This is what profit-driven agriculture looks like and the only way back is much more radical than anyone is willing to commit to

>>77111755
they are mid and cooked

>>77111766
>you can't go wrong eating more fruits
fucking hate this meme. these people do not seem to understand how many fucking apples and bananas I want to eat in a day.

Why do you think cholesterol is bad for you? What a retarded take.
>Muh good cholesterol
>Muh bad cholesterol
Pop science retardation.

>>77116979
>>77117028
>or she snuck junk food in behind everyone's back your whole life.
100% chance it's this. Fat people who "try every diet" do so because they're failing every diet by eating tubs of shit in their bedroom alone.
Your fat retarded mother is not a case study on eggs you stupid faggot.

>>77116979
>she got diabetes even a few years ago. Why?
Hmmm
Let's guess
What is diabetes?
Oh it's chronically elevated blood sugar.
How does that happen?
Hmm. Oh, could it be when you eat a lot of sugar and keep doing it every couple hours of the day and your body can't maintain a normal level of blood sugar because of the constant dysregulation you're forcing on your system?

>>77117312
not what i said, though what i did say is over simplified

>>77108910
Cholesterol is a matter of energy transport. If you're lean, fit and eat a decent amount of fat, you will have high LDL. It's called "lean mass hyper-responder" in literature and it has no correlation to atherosclerosis. It's why the whole historical discussion about cholesterol is retarded.

>>77118449
You are pedantically overcomplicating things. Fake, ultra-processed foods are less healthy than real, whole foods. If you want to try to come up with 1 or 2 exceptions, feel free. But it doesn't make that sentence any less true.

If you're giving someone a single piece of nutrition advice, it should be to "eat real food." If someone is schizophrenically spamming research articles to say fake foods are healthy, you should remind him to "eat real food." It's that simple.

>>77108905
Imagine actually looking like a fucking basedjak and thinking it's funny

>>77108994
This poster isn't OP and is another self righteous vegan anon blowing smoke up his own ass. I'm not some keto retard either it's just too obvious

>>77118547
Nobody has ever gotten fat from overeating fruit