File: 1690968711444421.jpg (44.9 KB)

44.9 KB JPG

>i don't feel sore
your MUSCLE have the ability to regenerate very fast, hence why we can train them multiple times a week. your TENDONS and LIGAMENT DONT they regenerate VERY VERY SLOWLY:


>having a strong back and legs will make ageing better
the sooner you'll realise that doing bodybuilding DESTROYS your body instead of improving it, the better you'll be. lifting improve your BONES that true, it's the only sport that improves it (if you train your entire body and somewhat heavy) for the rest of your body, LIFTING ONLY MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE. this of course most people don't know it because they don't read a book and blindly follows any shitty youtuber out there. what, you thought that putting heavy weight on your wrist, doing intense heavy stretching for many reps every weeks without enough recovery for years makes your body healthier ? lmao
again, if you've been lifting for 3 years, this doesn't apply to you
we're doing body BUILDING not body DESTRUCTION


if you wanna hope to lift your entire life, remove those lifts NOW because you're gonna get injured one day. and while i'm at it try to remove any type of movement that force your arms above your shoulder.
WARM UP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN EVEN IF IT4S FOR 25 MINUTES, KNOW your body type, if you are a TALL dude with long legs, long forearms, long femur and you still try to do ATG squat or full ROM bench press: INJURIES
you know why you see 50 years old at the gym that rant about "how they used to outlift everyone in my days" but moves like they are 75 years old ? or why you just don't see many old people lifting and in shape ? INJURIES
so STOP being a RETARD in the gym or you're never gonna see the inside of a gym past 30 years old because you'll be crying "I never felt any pain i was never injured before!!"


THINK ABOUT THE RISK REWARD RATIO, HEALTH SHOULD BE YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IF YOU ARENT A ROID TRANNY. STOP LISTENING TO RETARDED YOUTUBER WHO DONT KNOW SHIT THINK ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HEALTH ONLY

>>77115152
>remove any type of movement that force your arms above your shoulder
stopped reading right there

I've done it over a decade, plus manual labor at the same time, and am one of the few late 30s guys with no back or body pain. I credit squats and deadlifts. They make your body strong. A strongly held together body is hard to injure. Innumerable guys say the same thing. Once they started doing these, their perpetual back pain stopped.
The concern over le hurting yourself on these that you see on the internet doesn't reflect reality. Even done badly, injuries on these exercises are not common. They mostly happen in the case of competitive strength athletes. Which is a whole separate ballgame from regular people training for health and appearance.
More importantly, your strategy of I guess breaking training down into light weight, individual bodypart movements, so as to avoid lifting heavy, just doesn't work. The body works as a chain and a system and your way of working it doesn't actually work or have any of the benefits I mentioned.

>>77115161
hard pill to swallow but it's true

The tendons of the infraspinatus and/or supraspinatus are at risk of hitting the acromial arch in your shoulder
on it's own it's ok, but lifter grinds these tendons hundreds of time through shoulder, back training and so on

when the arm is lowered, the lower part of the supraspinatus rubs again against the humerus, this causes microtrauma.

to fight against those rubbing, the tendons harden by transforming into cartilage (it's called fibrocartilaginous metaplasia) you get anti compression protection but your tendon loses its flexibility and its regenerative capacity

read a bit about volleyball, basketball player, olympic lifting or even PAINTER (syndrom of the painter) there is even talk about your shoulder having a specific amount of km it can take before injuries

>>77115149
Oh look
Another copepost by someone afraid of actual work
You can't reach your potential as a natty without a heavy squat and deadlift
The body has no reason to make the hormones it needs to be big and lean if you aren't putting that controlled stress across your body

Stay smol bro
The big boy club is always open if your wrists ever stop being so limp

>>77115165
Squats and deads also take my back pain away as a 30s construction guy also

>>77115179
>A long post of irrelevant retardation using big words to sound educated
The human body is a system designed to do whatever we need it to in order to survive
With proper form there's absolutely no risk or injury on any of the big lifts

More people get hurt leg pressing every year than squat and deadlift combined
You can get hurt doing absolutely anything so you might as well get huge squatting and deadlifting

>>77115165
>More importantly, your strategy of I guess breaking training down into light weight, individual bodypart movements, so as to avoid lifting heavy, just doesn't work.

no you need to do both
not constantly heavy and some light work
the issue is that most people lift heavy, constantly with not enough recovery time
on paper you could do every lift you want, but most people do it too much, without enough time in between session and if you add shitty form on top of that, genetics, and years of constant lifting it's an injury lingering in the background before it comes

>I've done it over a decade, plus manual labor at the same time, and am one of the few late 30s guys with no back or body pain
again this doesn't mean you are not injured. no pain =/= no injuries. you might be one of the lucky one more prone to do this movement through your body type or genetics

everytime someone talk about the injuries like i'm doing, there is always that guy "i've been doing it for long without injuries"
you are at the top of the pyramid, 99% of the other are at the bottom
the top of the pyramid, there is no way of for us to know that you aren't injured (again, no pain=/= no injuries) i'm willing to bet your back is fucked, you just don't know it yet (i don't hope it's the case) the top of the pyramid, nobody is not injured even if you have gene that makes your body handle it
this argument just doesn't work, it's like saying "i do rounded back deadlift and i'm fine, so having a rounded back is not dangerous" then one day...

>>77115192
You are so retarded I don't even know where to begin
Injuries only matter if you're in pain
You're literally jumping through hoops to justify your retarded OP
Stop being a bitch, learn proper form on squats and deads and learn to bail when your form starts to slip
It's not rocket science

>>77115191
>>77115191
>With proper form there's absolutely no risk or injury on any of the big lifts

lol the type of shit you read on here...

>You can get hurt doing absolutely anything so you might as well get huge squatting and deadlifting

if thats your view point, it's fine, this thread is just not for you. it's for people who care about health

>The body has no reason to make the hormones it needs to be big and lean if you aren't putting that controlled stress across your body

never said not to train heavy or not to train your legs, don't know why you think you can't go heavy on a machine for example.

>Stay smol bro
The big boy club is always open if your wrists ever stop being so limp

yea you're doomed already, give it a bit of time and you'll probably be one of those guy crying because they can never train again. but again i wrote that this post is for people who have been constantly lifting for at least 10+ years

>>77115199
>Injuries only matter if you're in pain

jesus christ how much of a retard can you be
i thought this board was 18 years old + only
this is tiktok type of thinking
"bro fuck u bro just get big lift heavy who care bro" retarded ass mf

>>77115192
Literally every old guy has back pain, I'd rather be the old guy with back pain who can lift a tree off someone than some glass back who was too afwaid to squat n dead

>>77115201
Bro, your original proposition of injuries being a requirement if you squat and deadlift is simply not true

You don't want to put the work in to learn the movement patterns and cues to safely do them? That's fine, you'll never reach your natty potential, but that's fine

But stop posting your retarded shit that will hold young guys back from reaching THEIR potential

You want to be unimpressive your whole life? Great. STOP POSTING

>>77115201
>Injuries matter if you aren't in pain
Please explain how lmaoooooooooooooo

>>77115208
for every other anon in this thread, this is exactly the type of retarded mf you need to stop listening to online
you probably look like shit and haven't been lifting for more than 5 years

>>77115202
you do you, but
theres old guy with some light back pain
theres some old guy with back pain
theres some old guy that can barely walk without being quasimodo type hunch forward
the goal is to be the first one

>>77115165
>>77115191
So we have glass back OP who shudders when he sees a barbell vs 2 dudes who work manual labor while squatting and deadlifting long term who aren't in pain/see clear benefits of the 2 most important lifts

Huh
Weird

File: 642127187_18104755306859653_8740586067769289612_n.jpg (275.1 KB)

275.1 KB JPG

>>77115208
>Bro, your original proposition of injuries being a requirement if you squat and deadlift is simply not true
I don't think you know more than Will Tennyson, an actual WNBF pro, buddy. He fucked his shit up doing 1pl8 warmups with no discernable form issues.
Nice reddit spacing though.

>>77115213
>You haven't been lifting for more than 5 years
I started when I was 16, I'm 32 now, I've squatted 405 at and pulled 535 off the ground while under 15% body fat

I want you to take your soft skull and hit it on the nearest countertop
Once should be enough to flatten it with the way you're talking

File: squat rekt.mp4 (679.7 KB)

679.7 KB MP4

>>77115223

>>77115223
Tennyson is a fucking retard
I can't even watch his videos with how absolutely awful his advice is

Your appeal to authority is not an argument ESPECIALLY when your authority is a retard lmaoooo

>>77115227
He should have tucked his chin and braced harder
A lot of pros talk about light warmups being dangerous because you don't brace all the way
I start warming up my squat at lmao2pl8 because I totally agree

>>77115192
Not him but I had lower back pain from a fucked up spine ever since I hit puberty and it went away as soon as I started deadlifting after I was 25

>>77115220
again this is the biggest thing that people does not understand

NO PAIN =/= NO INJURIES
ONLINE =/= REAL LIFE

there is literally no way for us to know that this guy is lying or minimizing is injuries ( oh just a little snap from time to time nothing more)

the guy saying that you need those lifts to get big IS A DYEL WHO PROBABLY LOOK BAD, ANY SERIOUS LIFTER KNOWS YOU DONT NEED TO SQUAT OR DEADLIFT FOR HUGE LEG AND BACK

this thread is about longevity. and it starts by removing two of the most dangerous movement where we see the most injuries (must be in the wind anyway if those movements get people the most injuries)

>>77115224
nice one man, hope it stays that way for you forever honestly
you =/= everybody else, but when we're so self centered and we lack brain cells we sometime fail to realize this

>>77115227
People look at this and think, like tards:
>SEE? SEE? HE HURT HIS BACK ON SQUATS WITH 1PL8!!! THEREFORE SQUATS ARE BAD!!!
But thats not how it works tards. This was just the straw that broke the camels back. Will probably fucked up long before, improper form, improper load management, etc. My bet is that he fucked up his back at that diamond gym place run by naggers, go watch the video and see how fucked up his back got while they forced him to squat like a fucking retard with horrible buttwink. Squatting is safe and recommended for most people, provided youre not a complete idiot

>>77115227
see thats the perfect exemple, a guy who obviously knows his shit get injuried, and below there is this anon:
>>77115236
yea bro if only you had tuck your chin and not done a movement that fucks up your spine for multiple years for reps every week

>>77115149
I dont go heavy.
I dont earn with powerlifting or my body, so i keep my squats at 100kg max and deadlifts at 150kg for reps.
My 1RM is way above those but i decided that in real life i will need strength to carry or manhandle a grown human being, so i decided that if I can yeet about 100kg i am good.
Never had any problems w back. Look amazing.
The body obviously adapts and my nervous system does not produce those good overtrain8ng fatigue endorphins that much, but i dont intend to change my routines. I can do my basic lifts w excellent form in just 1 hour and can easily go an extra day per week if i feel so so its perfect for me

>>77115248
He fucked himself up from not eating enough carbs/electrolytes
He would have gotten injured that day doing anything
Squats and deadlifts strengthen your back, not damage it

>>77115255
good for you
not going heavy is not "injuries free" sadly
repeated motion cause wear and tear
lifting is a bastard activity
if you take enough time between sessions you're good, just take the time to let your body heal (and NOT JUST MUSCLE)

File: plane.png (44.4 KB)

44.4 KB PNG

>>77115165
>>77115191

>>77115264
You've put forth exactly one actual argument in this thread and it was
"But the human body operates on small clearances when it moves"
Bitch we know, that's why form matters

Stay smol forever, no on cares
But STOP POSTING YOUR RETARDED COPE

File: d17a17b1.jpg (4.7 KB)

4.7 KB JPG

>>77115258
>He fucked himself up from not eating enough carbs/electrolytes

if only he had taken his preworkout banana... god damnit

File: ThRUshh.png (646.3 KB)

646.3 KB PNG

>>77115149
If I get injured then I just heal back up.

There's a lot of weird jeetcore posting on /fit/ but this brand of perpetually online lookism doomposting coupled with shitting on compound lifts that mimick bending over and picking something up is bizarre.

>>77115245
squats are gay anyways just do steps, cycling and rdl

>>77115271
idk who you think you’re talking to but the post you replied to is my only post in this thread, and since you’re too retarded to understand what the image implies, its called survivorship bias:
If 4 out of 5 people fucked by niggers catch HIV but you got fucked by 5 niggers and still didn’t catch HIV it doesn’t make being fucked by niggers safe it jut makes you a survivor

>>77115149
You've put forth exactly one actual argument in this thread and it was
"But the human body operates on small clearances when it moves"
Bitch we know, that's why form matters

Stay smol forever, no on cares
But STOP POSTING YOUR RETARDED COPE

>>77115305
Everybody gets back pain when they're older
There are no survivors
Lift the fucking barbell

>>77115312
so you're saying that as long as you have good form, any type of compression on your spine from having weight on your shoulder or arms just get magically removes with good form ? interesting.
gravity just does not exist anymore with good form. didn't know that your discs, tendons and cartilage just go "nice form bro we good now"

>Everybody gets back pain when they're older
There are no survivors

every body dies so might as well just kill yourself now type of argument
"everyone get back pain" isn’t a justification for accelerating it

>>77115324
>Decompression just goes away
Yes
That's what sleep is for lmaooooo
I'm tallest in the mornings when I'm squatting often

>>77115192
>again this doesn't mean you are not injured. no pain =/= no injuries. you might be one of the lucky one more prone to do this movement through your body type or genetics
>everytime someone talk about the injuries like i'm doing, there is always that guy "i've been doing it for long without injuries"
>you are at the top of the pyramid, 99% of the other are at the bottom
I don't think so, I'm naturally skinny and tall bodytype, basically the worst for lifting heavy.
What injury would I be suffering? And if there's no pain or symptoms, what is the problem?

>>77115208
>You want to be unimpressive your whole life? Great. STOP POSTING
Pretty sure he's on a one man crusade, I see his threads pop up regularly.
He's convinced barbell lifts will cripple you, and everyone knows this, but some are in denial or are too dumb or shortsighted to care, etc
The reality is they just aren't that dangerous and they're not going to cripple you. Even the rare guy who gets badly hurt doing them recovers. Bones heal, tendons can be redone, etc. Meanwhile most people who never lift heavy are in constant pain, that could be mitigated and removed by getting strong, and that's just one of the benefits.

>>77115297
How is doing the harder, more effective thing "gay" while doing a weak workaround "not gay"? It seems words don't have any meaning to you.

File: 92eba816bee01a3f76be9019c05b3be6.jpg (133.1 KB)

133.1 KB JPG

>>77115338
>>77115338
>I'm naturally skinny and tall bodytype, basically the worst for lifting heavy.
>What injury would I be suffering?

ill assume you have wide clavicule, long forearms

bench movement, especially if you are lifting on a small lifting pad, your shoulder are gonna collapse outside the pad
gonna have to go deeper on bench
gonna have to go deeper on dips
any type of chest movement is harder
but you'll look better
for squat, hips have to tavel further back, you'll have to incline your torso forward and your lower back is at a higher risk
you'll travel fruther per rep, harder bottom position and generally harder movement

a powerlifting champ is a short guy, wide rib cage, short legs and short arms. the only movement where you'll be at an advantage is deadlift

>And if there's no pain or symptoms, what is the problem?
anon needs to stop thinking that injuries just happen like that, at the snap of the finger. the actual point when you get injured is the end results of long term microtrauma that sits there, growing and growing until the day it breaks. they don't just appear out of nowhere. it's repetitive stress, microtears, tissue fatigue over time.
Again, on paper, you can do squat and deadlift and anything else given enough rest. but i bet that you lift multiple a week, so do I. and years of doing it, one day it's gonna pop (or not, but it might)

i just wanna talk about longevity, and not to go full mike mentzer but the only point where he is right imo is that we don't rest our body (and by that i mean everything that isn't the muscle) enough. your tendons heal very slowly (if they even heal because there is debate) and it's in months.
squat and deadlift are very effective but also the most "dangerous" exercice with others. if you wanna last long, the best thing is to remove any dangerous movement.

>>77115348
>Pretty sure he's on a one man crusade, I see his threads pop up regularly.

literally the 2nd time i've posted here since 2013 i think

>>77115264
The survivor bias you're seeing is the long term lifters who stuck with it because they were actually making gains because they squatted and deadlifted instead of stagnating and giving up

File: 1690921289997393.jpg (90.2 KB)

90.2 KB JPG

I wanted to let anons know that today i hit a pr on ohp 60kg x 5 reps. (1pl8 basically). I'm 33 years old and last time i tested on 60kg i could do like 3 reps only

>>77115149
Dyel faggot

>>77115149
After I got a disc bulge even when using lower weight and proper form.

>>77115149
They don't. You have to lower the weight if you're getting any injuries at all.

>>77115220
you're right powerlifters have very low rate of injuries and nagging pains

>>77115246
>straw that broke the camels back.
Yes that's one mechanism. But then how can you explain how Ivan can squat 3-4 plates every day for 6 years straight? He has built resilience through constant stress.
There's also a third case anon mentioned ITT: being careless with your 1pl8 warmup because you can lift 4 plates.

>>77115149
Agreed. I had a personal trainer for a year to try lifting heavy because I'm a calisthenics/dumbbells guy. Once my squat weight got 15-20 percent above my bodyweight, i could FEEL in my legs that I was one bad squat away from a tear or an injury. The first couple times i tried deadlifts I could immediately tell they were what I call an "injury exercise." I went back to weighted calisthenics after a year of lifting because these kinds of exercises are just too risky. On this board, there's a lot of noise from people who have high lift numbers with huge legs and arms, but are fat, immobile, and can't do basic bodyweight movements. "DYEL" is a dog whistle for "I weigh 245 at 5'10 and i can squat 500 pounds and I'm fat as fuck."

>>77115712
Stopped reading at personal trainer lol post physique you middle aged lady

>>77115236
He didn't do anything wrong, it's just an overuse injury.
He has done the squat for a long time and finally one of his discs bulged. I would advise some variation, not just do squats but also lunges, bss etc.

>>77115149
>>77115152
What other tips would you give to someone who wants to build the best physique they can without destroying their body by the time they're in their 40s? What lifts would you do, what volume, what frequency?

>>77115886
just dont be a retard
warm up properly with bands
eat collagen
don't do any movement that put yourself at risk
don't train every day like a fucking mad man
lift heavy one day, light the other

File: 1766609724683479.jpg (42.3 KB)

42.3 KB JPG

>>77115149
every week on this forum there is a fat faggot that has permanently injured himself doing deadlifts or squats

or a faggot that tore his shoulder doing bench presses

the barbell meme needs to die

>>77116376
i never see any buff guy doing deadlift at my gym
only fat powershitter and dyel

>>77115227
Whole lot of people who don't even lift in this thread. The bar is so far forward that his heels come of the ground. This is a terrible squat but people will say 'look at him doing a perfect 1pl8 squat and got fucked up'

>>77115149
Post body

>>77115149
Based thread. Squats and deadlifts are overrated and normie tier. Anyone who has experience in the gym has moved past them for the sake of staying healthy in their daily life. Moving heavy weight isnt worth not being able to go to work the next day.
>just use good form BRO
accidents happen BUDDY. You think laying on the hospital bed screaming "but my form was perfect!1!!11!!1111!!" is going to pop your disk back in?

>>77116376
I'm past barbell bench. DB is superior. And no more flat bench because it's gay and useless. Incline DB bench is the thinking mans upper body lift.

File: Gs4pJTNW0AAc4ck.jpg (62.5 KB)

62.5 KB JPG

The problem with this thread is that OP is 20% correct and 80% dead wrong and he can process only the 20% he's correct about. It's impossible to reason with him because he's either honest about his delusional beliefs or some bad faith demoralization retard from /r9k/. Either way, beyond reach.

File: 1689281255342729.png (266.6 KB)

266.6 KB PNG

>>77118774
>80% dead wrong
explain the 80% where i'm dead wrong kek
reminder, i'm saying for longevity it's better that serious lifters (10+ years) removes high risk movement like squat and deadlift

All the powerbrappers in this thread seething and dilating while taking pain meds.

>>77118774
Notice how this jew doesn't actually explain anything. He just rants that OP is wrong and then attacks him some more but gives 0 context to explain his thoughts. Don't be discouraged by the well poisoners anons. Ignore all crab posts, or ask them to explain but know they already fucked off the thread.
>squats are overrated as a adult with a normal job
I said it. Sue me.