>>77116124
I've honestly been thinking of getting on test and then just working out once a week

>>77116130
It worked for clavicular.

>>77116124
My T is off the charts. Steroids would lower it.

>>77116140
>excuse me sir, you're holding it upside down

>>77116124
please not this stupid shit again

>>77116124
A few years ago I had my T tested and it wasn't low enough for insurance to pay for it. I figure I'll test it every 5 years and hop on when it's low enough. Until then, just keep trying.

>>77116146
cope pussy, you and all the other retarded babies on /fit/ should have this shit stapled upside on your fuckin stomachs

>>77116133
He's too sickly to lift 135ib

>>77116133
he looks dyel faggot

>>77116124
maybe the human body is ya know meant to be in the healthy range of the bmi

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>>77116157
You're exactly the retarded idiot I was referring to.

>>77116124
Two kg of muscle in 10 weeks sounds good enough for me.

>>77116130
And what will you do when you find out that real life isnt like 4chan memes?

>>77116193
Lmfao at this nattytard coping.
I make more gains busting a nut on my couch all week than you do lifting your ass off.

>>77116215
I'm not natty.
And you never roided because if you did you'd know what I posted is accurate.
You're also an incel because you talk about jerking off all day home and alone and oddly didnt mention a women.

>>77116124
>>77116133
>>77116157
>>77116215
What's the actual point of those threads? Tranny cope?

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>>77116124
By living to 80 instead of dying in your 30's and 40's.
>>77116193
>sodium retention
You can do it too with sodium retention. If I remember correctly the study that comes from has the no-lifts but roids group gained strength implying some myofibril growth.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
10 kg gained on bench
12 kg gained on squat
No training just roids

>>77116238
Its natty dyel cope.
If they convince themselves that roiders are all cheaters who dont put in the work, they get to feel better about themselves because of their LE EPIC DISCIPLINE.
In one of these threads, these faggots all came to the conclusion that the only reason roiders go to the gym is put on a show to trick nattys into believing they actually lift.
These are not mentally well people.

>>77116258
>No training just roids
Roids massively increase glycogen retention which causes acute strength gains.
They go away as soon as you come off it.
You can see this even more so with orals like anadrol where your lifts go up in just a couple of days. And that's not enough time to grow any measurable amount of muscle.
Once again, you people are just taking screenshots of studies you never read (and wouldnt understand it even if you did) making stupid memes out of it and treating it as fact.
Also these studies are conducted by dyel eggheads who dont know the first thing about roids or training.

>>77116261
But why do you assume that everyone wants to roid, nuke their balls and brain and become even more of a genetic failure than they already are?

>>77116286
where did I say anything of the sort?
You're just making up shit to create some sort of "gotcha" moment so you can briefly look cool on the internet.

>>77116284
>not enough time to grow any measurable amount of muscle
Source?
>dyel eggheads
They probably know more about roids than you do.

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So 3kg is just bloat cause we know the no exercise group didn't get any useful musclemass

if we subtract that from 6kg we got 3kg left of maybe useful musclemass compared to the natty 2kg
Only about a 50% increase at a steep healthrisk
I'm not convinced

Fat free mass is not muscle. Testosterone makes you retain water, that’s going to account for a lot of it.

But yeah obviously if you only care about getting as big as possible and you don’t care about long term health outcomes then might as well roid

Yeah it sucks having working balls and the ability to get an erection regardless of whether I injected my hormones for the week.

>fucks your stomach
>fucks your kidneys
>fucks your liver
>fucks your heart
at least you looked good before you died 20 years early.

>>77116124
Dick stay red like a dog and it dripping when it come out the sheeth

>>77116133
He looks like a stick

>>77116427
You need a study to tell you that you cant grow enough muscle in 2 days to increase your bench by 50lbs? Really? You think you can even digest enough food for that kind of growth?
Imbecile

>>77116495
i need to get on your level.
36 and my erections are getting weaker. no idea why.
at 18 i could fuck for 9 hours straight napping every once in a while. got too many kids from those years, but now i'm getting worried my second wife is younger and i'm afraid it's going to start impacting our love life.

>>77116607
That’s why god created cialis

>>77116611
can't take it gives absurd heart burn and bile burn (duodenum) even at lowest dosage.
also back problems.

>>77116284
>glycogen retention
Installing a bigger gas tank on a card will not make it go faster. Sure depleted glycogen will make your lifts go down but adding more glycogen throughout will not make them go up. If a muscle has 30g of glycogen and enough myofribrils to exert 500 N of force, it will still only be able to exert 500N of force. Changes in leverage from changes in muscle size in a 10 week period as in the study are likely nowhere near enough to significantly change the leverage each individual muscle has via the tendons in many cases. This is a retarded cope. Extremely retarded. At best it will let you do a couple more reps if you're lucky before the metabolic byproducts of muscular contractions stop you from being able to contract the muscle with that force. Sets to failure do not significantly decrease glycogen nearly enough for this to be a factor. You'd have to eat no carbs for a few days to see anything close to glycogen depletion.

Second you're ignoring the myostatin inhibition effect of testosterone. Less myostatin = more growth. The rare child with a MSTN gene polymorphism are more muscular and stronger than what they would be without the gene just because muscle growth is not nearly as limited with reduced myostatin production.

>You can see this even more so with orals like anadrol where your lifts go up in just a couple of days. And that's not enough time to grow any measurable amount of muscle.
"Measurable" is limited by instruments. Moreover it ignores the reality that once can have an increase in muscle density with little to no increase in volume or circumference. In the long run you have to have more space to expand into. But in the short run, you don't need more space. To measure myofibril density you have to take a biopsy which is something that you really can't do unless you work at a hospital.
>in just a couple of days
THIS WAS A 10 WEEK STUDY. Fucking retard. READ THE STUDY.

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>>77116124
How about...
>MuRF1/TRIM63 downregulation
>PI3K/Akt induction
>GSK3β inhibition
>MyoD induction
>MAFbx/Atrogin-1 inhibition
>Myogenin induction
I'm waaay huger than Clav (but admittedly not Smaev tier) without any AAS, just study deranged China proteins and doesn't afraid of anything.

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>>77116770
That can actually happen even if your blood work and T levels, E2 levels are perfect on paper. It's fucking scary.

Imagine one week you're a sex machine god feeling almighty and then the next week the total opposite.

>>77116683
didnt read lmao
but I guess this is another natty telling experienced roiders all about what steroids do.

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>>77116814
>another natty telling experienced roiders all about what steroids do
Yeah, some of us study steroids deep enough to realize ecdysterone is the only anti-aging anabolic out there.

>>77116918
>ecdysterone
>anabolic
lol

>>77116930
Got me significantly larger than Clav or Bryan Johnson combined with some other pretty deranged China shit, keep coping.

>>77116939
>pretty deranged China shit,
do these substances have names?

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>>77116943
Well, picrel clanker vomit tells part of the story. But I'm also doing schizo-tier shit to myogenic regulatory factors, among other even odder targets.

>>77116945
lol you fags will do anything except inject a little test and lift heavy weights.
I bet 500mg test babby blast is safer than any of this crap.
And you'll actually grow. But only if you lift and eat despite what OP posted.

>>77116958
>And you'll actually grow.
I'm not an ACTN3 mutant like Clav and BJ probably are, so I'll give you that likely. But if I grew much more, I'd be up into obese BMI, so hard pass, I like sprinting too much.

>>77116975
Hate to be the one to tell you this, but if you have obese BMI as a natty, that means your obese.

>>77116990
It's not healthy regardless of body comp, but I'm ack-shilly in the middle of overw8 at 10% BF currently.
>protip: yes this is indeed abnormal for a natty, kek.

>>77116996
lol sure thing, Deepak

>>77116996
Doubt lmao

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>>77117017
>>77117019
Cuz AR and IGF1R are probably the only two receptors you guys know about, kek.

>>77117083
And yet you're still dyel and always will be.
Its only dyels who sit around studying "PDE3b expression via the AMPK/MQwerty pathway" blah blah.
I just take some roids lift heavy and get huge

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>>77116133
This is the person zoomers admire. No wonder they're all weak and gay with 0 self esteem.
>those arms in that youth medium polo shirt

>>77117909
You can clown on all the deranged China WTFBBQ signalling pathways and shit, but you're upregulating some gainz goblin proteins just pinning roids, and I easily frame-mog Clav by having high-enough tier biotech skills to start picking apart downstream effects of hormones.

>>77116124
By living past the age of 60

>>77118012
And I'm huge while you spend all your time trying to thispill and thatmaxx while comparing yourself to some dyel tiktok actor nobody outside this shitty board even heard of.

>>77116124
I laugh at roiders in the gym and they think my smiles are coming on to the because all roiders are gay
pathetic people, they roid to be jacked as a bartender lmao

>>77118079
I roid to be a jacked NEET.
Why do you spend all your time thinking about roiders to the point you go around flirting with them "for the lulz"?
I notice you mention you dont smile or talk to women.

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>>77116124
Ask Zyzz, wait a min

>>77116770
Imagine getting your dream body but now you can't even use your dick to fuck all the chicks that flock to you.

GRIM

>>77116683
What.a.fag

>>77116806
Just stick to test only and you will be fine, no reason to fearmonger unless you go pro.

>>77116124
>how can we cope?
By living past 40 years old and enjoying life.
.t otter mode

>>77118381
Yeah as if you can't fuck up your hormones with "just test". I've read about wonders of TRT on leddit and some guys even have limp dicks on a dose as small as 150mg/week

>>77118303
how the fuck does anybody jerk off to this chink garbage? It looks like an insect with an iron deficiency. You'd have to be a pedo beastfucker to jerk off to hentai.

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>>77116193
Imagine using AI to cope with the results of a study which is completely validated by other different ones lmfao.
>>77116258
Facts.
>>77116284
*Roids massively increase myofibrillar content which causes acute strength gains

Glycogen content changes are incredibly tiny with or with no training with or with no steroids in such a short period of time.
Extra cellular water weight changes is the only thing you could possibly and reasonably attribute to these significant increases in muscle volume or area and lean body mass from steroid use, but even that muhwaterretention cope is completely and absolutely BTFO by Shalender et al 2001 which corrected for total body water weight using underwater weighing and found that there was no statistically significant effect in any group, it's all muscle growth.

>>77118599
>muh studies
I tell you what, take 500mg test per week for 10 weeks, sit on the couch and dont lift, then post body and lifts.

>>77118608
>muh cope

>>77118617
And yet every single person who ever fucked around with roids will tell you you wont grow unless you lift and eat.
You know literally jack shit about roids and looking at graphs and charts compiled by dyel grad students isnt the real world.

>>77116124

By lifting?

>>77116124
I don't lift weights for now, I lift them for the future. And I'll have more muscle as a 90 year old than anyone who's currently roiding, because they'll have to stop eventually and lose all of their gains. Assuming they even live that long to begin with.

actually most guys doing conservative cycles or low doses more often than not don't look particularly more impressive than natties
a lot of guys blasting harder don't even look genuinely good
imo it's better to look mediocre but be relatively healthy and not feel stupid about being on gear than being on gear and feeling stupid for not looking great

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>>77116140
>My T is off the charts.

>>77118381
>>77118536
I've only ever run test only cycles and it's the exact opposite I end up jerking off like 4 times a day

>>77119362
Mine was 799 when I got it tested last week. Natural, only basic vitamins and minerals supplements

>>77118629
Every single person who has ever fucked around with roids gained muscle from it.

Anecdotes by delusional retards coping with the fact that the only reason why they're getting anything from roids is because of the roids themselves are worse than useless let alone equally useful to data from RCT's.

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IF YOU TAKE STEROIDS WITHOUT WORKING OUT, BARELY ANYTHING HAPPENS.

IF YOU TAKE STEROIDS AND ARENT CONSISTENT EITH YOUR DIET SND EXERCISE, YOU WILL BE DYEL AND YOU ***WILL**NOT*** EVEN LOOK LINE YOU LIFT.

NO MARTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST THESE INAGES FROM THESE STUDIES, IT DOESNT CHANGE THE FAVT THAT YOU ARE DELIBERATELY MISINTERPRETING THE DATA IN ORDER TO MISLEAD PEOPLE BY PUSHING A FALSE NARRATIVR

Let me ask you something.. Do you think that you could learn to play a guitar simply by watching tutorials and reading all there is to know about music theory? And follow up question: would people be wise to listen to your advice about playing guitar even though you’ve never picked up the instrument yourself?

If you blast rods and sit on your ass, you ***WILL**NOT*** even look like you lift if you have never touched a weight in your life.

How can you possibly tell me with a straight face that you know more about the effects of steroids than I do when I have used tons of roids for years?

>>77122465
>WAAAAAAAH REALITY NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH MY DELUSIONS WAAAAAAAH

The only reason why steroids work is because they give you gains without having to do a fucking thing extra for them, as in you don't have to change your diet or your physical activity for you to grow muscle hopping on steroids, this isn't up to debate and if you even attempt to argue against this you would have to deconstruct everything we know about how anabolic steroids work on animal physiology or how puberty works.

And don't give me that cope about how taking steroids "barely does anything", you stupid dumb bitch, not when every single study that has been done on this exact topic and refutes your faggot ass cope so completely that it leaves no room for refutation.
Even ancedotes go against your steroid denialism, at least from those that aren't delusional or lying frauds who want to constantly downplay the effect of steroids so that they can appease their ego or their image.

Studies>broscience

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just stop being nattty

>>77122520
so every bodybuilder, athlete etc who takes steroids is wasting their time by going to the gym?
Its all performative for their own egos and to trick nattys into thinking they need to workout?
>give you gains without having to do a fucking thing extra for them
so you dont even need to eat more?
Steroids grow muscle out of thin air?

>>77122419
>Every single person who has ever fucked around with roids gained muscle from it.
no, they havent
Lots of people waste their first blast without knowing how to train or eat and look exactly the same 3 months later.
But you know all about what roids do even though you've never touched it in your life.
Every random gym bro who tried test and fucked it up is in ton he giant conspiracy to make nattys think you need to lift to get big with roids

>>77116140
based fellow knower

>>77116124
By realizing you only need roids to be freakishly big & literally unnecessarily strong. Roids are a huge nothing burger unless your plan is to be a BB or Strongman. If you're a normal person, i.e. you don't have body dysmorphia, then you can be lean, good looking, and strong enough to handle pretty much anything life throws at you so long as you don't handle things like a retard.

>>77116147
You get on black market T long enough to supress testes.
Hop off
Retest.

Done. It's not hard