>>77117301
That's right, anon. Veggies are icky yucky, do not fall for mom's "faiber" psyop. Chicken tendies is the only fuel you need.

not true you need like 15g of protein a meal, and there is energy in carbs,

>>77117334
What? What does that have to do with the thread?

Friendly reminder anti-fiber shills (carnies) Never post their body with a timestamp.

Ever.

Cow also can't digest anything it eats... it's a gut microbiome that does the job. Similarly our gut microbiome turns fiber into short chain fatty acids.

>>77117301
I used to be in the "veggies are for women and fags camp" until I started eating them and stopped sitting on the shitter for 2 hours every morning.
I like not shitting liquid shit all the time, simple as.
Anyway your argument being "it costs money" is dogshit too because vegetables are a fraction the price of meat, and gardening is even cheaper (and foraging is even cheaper than that). You're just lazy and stupid.

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>>77117731
Cows
>Have to chew the food once
>Store it in the rumen to ferment a first time
>Bring it back to chew again
>Ferment it again
>Filter the water in the omasum
>Only then is it sent to the intestines dor absorption
And this is the clusterfuck that is their stomach, while also having proper gut microbiome to break down cellulose (which is what most plant fiber is).
Please post a video of yourself chewing grass once after fasting for a day, swallowing it, then post the aftermath. I'm curious.

>>77117743
It's probably just that your fruit consumption also increased as a side of increasing your vegetable intake.
I have vegetables like what ? Thrice a month ? At most. And it's usually carrots or something that's botanically a fruit like zucchini or pumpkins, yet i dont have the same issue as you because i have whole bread and fruits.
Vegetables are redundant and pointless. Especially greens, actual poison devoid of nutrients.

>>77117749
I'm not that anon. I'm just responding because I'm interested in the conversation. What is the point that you're trying to make? He clearly stated that it's the gut microbiome and not the actual organism of the cow itself that digests food. I don't know what you're trying to say by pointing out that he can't digest grass.

>>77117301
this nigga cant afford vegetables lmao

>>77117761
I'm pointing out the obvious that you dont have the same gut microbiome as a cow, nor do you have the adequate absorption mechanisms.
Humans also lack cellulase. Most fiber you'd be consuming is cellulose.
There is a catch in that anons statement, only pectin and gums can be fermented and turned into byturate and other SCFA by our gut microbiome. Cellulose has low fermentability in the human gut and even then the byproducts are still enough to bloat you as you absorb nothing from it.

>>77117810
Okay, but nowhere did he say that our stomach or digestive system is identical to a cow's.
>There is a catch in that anons statement, only pectin and gums can be fermented and turned into byturate and other SCFA by our gut microbiome.
He specifically used the term "similarly", not "identically"
>Cellulose has low fermentability
Low fermentation is still fermentation. A normal person does not bloat from cellulose.

Overall, it seems you're misunderstanding the point that he made in making arguments against a position that he doesn't have.

>>77117759
>It's probably just that your fruit consumption also increased as a side of increasing your vegetable intake.
Botanically yes, since I like gourds and squash and tomatoes in addition to carrots and onions and cabbage. I don't eat regular fruits though, I hate sweets.
Problem went away when I ate more veggies, i don't know what else to tell ya.

>>77117823
He's not going to accept your premise. He's going to continually insist that it's another factor, because he's been convinced by grifters that vegetables are poison.

Your experience isn't unusual. His beliefs are.

>>77117826
If anything he's proven me correct. If he ate greens like broccoli or spinach or whatnot he would still be shitting rocks and blood.

>>77117848
Thanks for proving my point.

>>77117848
>in addition to carrots and onions and cabbage
So you're either stupid or doing this on purpose, got it.

>>77117855
Dude stop engaging him. Hes blinded by grifter nonsense spouted by people like Paul saladino.

>>77117855
Addition means small quantities.
Your experience is also n=1 so i dont know why you and your boyfriend are so adamant.

>>77117301
I was hoping the whole muh fiber would just die with the left wing junkies (baby boomers) who were psyopped into believing it's health benefit lies.

>>77117861
Paul Saladino derangement syndrome is a new joy to behold

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>>77117888
Its nuts

>>77117759
So why do people who eat more vegetables live longer and have less disease on average?

>>77117905
According to no one but flawed questionaires with no control group correlation studies

>>77117915
So 100% more evidence than there is for vegetables being poison then. Got it.

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>>77117301
>eat fibreslop oats and chia seeds
>feel bloated all day and stomach hurts. ass feels like its on fire when I shit, blood on toilet paper
>stop eating fibreslop
>feel 10x better
its a grift

>>77117969
>vegetables are bad because I have irritable bowel syndrome

>>77117971
>oats and chia seeds are vegetables
grifter.

>>77117963
The evidence for plants containig multitudes of antinutrients and nocive compounds as well as lacking dozens of nutrients necessary for humans is biochemical/molecular and clinical thus more grounded in reality than asking 15 people if they've eaten broccoli in the last year then drawing conclusions 5 years later that 10 people out of 15 didnt show up and 3 out of 5 lived so that means broccoli extends your life by 5 years.

>>77118092
I'm glad we agree that it's 100% more evidence than you have for your grift or nonsense that you just spout out of nowhere.

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>>77117971
>I have irritable bowel syndrome
caused by fibre

>>77117873
>Addition means small quantities.
Addition means the incorporation of an element previously not in a set to said set.
>Your experience is also n=1
Yeah, that's how I presented the information.
>so i dont know why you and your boyfriend are so adamant.
If you think being told you said two wrong things is being adamant I pity anyone with the patience to tolerate you in real life.
If your reading comprehension is too poor to keep up with a simple conversation, I recommend you look up Adult Learning Centers in your city to finish high school. There's no shame in it, and it might open up more jobs for you too. Otherwise, tiktok is probably more your speed than here, kiddo.

>>77118130
Sorry you're so upset about being wrong

>>77118135
>Otherwise, tiktok is probably more your speed than here, kiddo.

Carnitard forgot that cooking solved that problem lol.

>>77117915
>flawed questionaires
Explain in detail please. You couldn't even give me an example of a questionnaire they use.
>no control group correlation studies
So it's all one big coincidence that we see consistent results over decades consisting of millions of people all over the world showing benefits of increased vegetable consumption, with ZERO studies that vegetables increasing our disease risk. Despite the fact that you claim that they are toxic to us.

Right one big coincidence.

It's so embarrassing watching the keto/paleo/carnivore crowd trying to discuss nutrition. You can tell they're just parroting shit they've heard here and from their favorite tiktok diet influencer, especially when you press them on something specific and they can't respond intelligently; just repeat the same tired talking points and reposting on of the couple dozen infographics they all rely on.

No human civilization in the entirety of recorded history has ever chosen to not eat plants. If it's so obvious then why has there not been even one single human population that has reached this same conclusion?

>>77118154

Not to mention multiple cultures globally figuring out that fermented, preserved brassica is good for you and eating with nearly every meal both for taste and health. Eat more cabbage genus.

>>77118154
No one is against plants per se as an entire food group, you've already shown bad faith since you cant comprehend this part so it's futile to waste time explaining what people are actually against.

>>77118168
Clear it up for me, then. What specifically are you against?

>>77118154
>No human civilization in the entirety of recorded history has ever chosen to not eat plants.
What about polar peoples thoughlbeit

>>77117301
Diet as an ideology has collapsed. When I hear terms like "fiber", I think of clothing. I just ate some cheddar cheese, a banana, spicy pickled peppers, and some sour dough bread and it "digest" great. Thinking about some fried eggs in lots of butter with some buttermilk pancakes later. This early spring is amazing, I am just sitting in the sun well shitposting. I can not wait for the beach.

>>77118154
Dude, cool it on the anti-semitism.

>>77117435
They really are clowns

>>77118189
Comparing to clowns now? Seriously? When did this board become so anti-semetic

>>77118193
When the carnival came to town

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>makes this thread irrelevant

>>77118358
What the heck is it with this board and gummies? How are you a grown man and you need to eat gummies? And I know for a fact that this is the case because when people start threads about supplements, it's always a bottle of gummies, so you'd have to search for [supplement] gummies on google because searching something like fiber supplement or ashwaganda or magnesium always comes up with bottles of pills - you know, the normal way to supplement stuff

>>77118374
It's funny because gum/pectin is already fiber by definition

>>77118384
Its funny because there's not even enough pectin or gums to account for 0.1g of fiber and the gummies are 99.99% sugar.

Tldr: you were wrong

>>77118358
>eating a balanced diet?
>no no goyim, buy this pill instead!

>>77118391
I wasnt defending the gummies i just made the statement but sorry you're upset as they say

Don't forget that there are two types of fiber: insoluble and soluble. Vegetables like spinach that contain mostly insoluble fiber work great for me. Conversely, my stomach feels like hell if I eat a lot of soluble fiber.

>>77118402
Nobody said you were defending the gummies. Your statement was incorrect.

>>77118424
Everyone is different

>>77118424
You're on the right track then because insoluble fiber (found mostly in fruits and vegetables) is the one that's good for you and soluble fiber (found mostly in grains) is the one that gives you intestinal cancers.

>>77119328
The problem with your statement that soluble fiber causes cancer is that not only do you have literally no evidence to back it up, but all existing evidence goes against your claim. Literally 100% of it.

>>77119397
Son, don't come in here pretending that you actually have any idea what you're talking about. You have some vague idea in your mind of "fiber" being healthy; maybe you asked some AI after you saw my posts and it gave you some generic "oh yeah it's so good for you, trust me!"

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
Skim through that page and spend a couple minutes thinking about the implications for that "evidence" you have in mind. Is all science falsified studies that can't be replicated? No, of course not. But a significant part of it is and the only way you're going to know the difference is to read a lot of studies, which is also pointless unless you understand how to distinguish between reliable and unreliable methodologies, whether you understand the topic well enough to know when data is being cherrypicked, whether you have enough of a background in human biology to know if the conclusions are reasonable or not, etc etc

The point being you have none of these things, you've never seriously researched this topic, and your
>member of the general public reciting propaganda
tier input is completely worthless.

That said, here's a start:

>High-dose soluble but not insoluble fiber potentiates colorectal tumorigenesis in a dose-dependent manner
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016508523051399

>soluble dietary fiber seems to both increase the risk of developing colon cancer as well as reduce the chances of developing coronary heart disease.
>https://www.aicr.org/research/projects/effect-of-soluble-fibers-on-colonic-physiology/

>Dysregulated Microbial Fermentation of Soluble Fiber Induces Cholestatic Liver Cancer
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30340040/

>cereals’ fiber significantly increased the risk of breast cancer by 84% in premenopausal women
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12889-024-19861-4

These are not intended to convince you that I'm right, but that you need to do your own research.

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>>77119424
>your studies aren't studies because of replication crisis, but my studies by ching chong ping pong and pajeet saarneedful on 2 mice are the gospel of truth

>>77119424
There's too much conflicting "evidence" but personally im gonna stick to 1 my intuition not to eat literal mashed paper cellulose and 2 basic biochemistry dictating that said cellulose blocks absorption and slows down your digestion excessively

>>77119465

>>77119397
>you have literally no evidence to back it up
>>77119424
>evidence provided
>>77119465
>that evidence doesn't count

>Moving the goalposts is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded.

Since you've decided to resort to basic bitch fallacies instead of addressing the content of my post, I'm afraid I'm forced to dismiss you as a disingenuous kike. I accept your concession, direct you to re-read
>These are not intended to convince you that I'm right, but that you need to do your own research.
and suggest that you try to work on being less Jewish in the future.

Do your own research or don't; it doesn't matter to me if you get cancer.

>>77118154
Carnivore/keto and vegan are two sides of the same retarded coin. Both diets are full of grifters.
Omnivore chads don't bother with any of that cucked nonsense.

>>77119424
Literally all the studies you posted are multi-variable studies and therefore are useless.
Next time you should actually read the studies instead of just the titles and the beginning of the abstract before you post them and have a modicum of grasp on the scientific method.

>>77118174
They were still able to eat berries when in season. Even though the summers are short, there are still native plants that grow.
Akutaq is a sort of ice cream like dessert in Inuit culture. It's made from animal fats, meat, and berries. Sometimes also includes tundra greens and starch from "Indian potatoes".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_ice_cream

Inuits do eat more meat than most other cultures and with good reason - that's what's available most of the time. But saying they don't eat plants is wrong; it's a minor part of their diet but they do

>>77117969
I've been eating 30-40g of fiber a day since Jan 3 and after the first two weeks I have had zero issues. I eat oatmeal with chia seeds for a meal most days. Don't be retarded

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Someone mentioned fibers?

Psyllium husk and inulin powder, bros, give it a try, especially psyllium husk.
That thing will save any gut health bacteria, cured my ibs for example.

But as op says, soluable fiber will expand and make you feel bloated, so ease into it. Eventually you will get a feel for it and see an improvement if your stool is lacking.

I also make a sort of gravy out of it along with beef broth powder. Protein, collagen and fiber, now that's a superfood cocktail.

Like & subscribe.

>>77119690
Have you ever considered using a tripcode

>>77119732
So you can filter me and miss out on the reminders for fibers? No way!

>>77119744
You very clearly have an eating disorder and I'd rather not be reminded that there's somebody out there who refuses to get help

>>77119748
Ooh it's you the eating disorder guy, good on ya. Glad we're in both of our thoughts, kinda gay, but hey, never hurt anyone.

>>77119755
Ok

>>77119578
It's a shame that the dozens of scientists who worked on those studies didn't consult with you first before wasting their time.

>>77120799
It's more of a shame that you're peddling abject nonsense, backed up by faulty studies, and resorting to attempted witty one-up retorts instead of actually using the scientific method to evaluate the claims of fitness grifters that you base your health and nutrition knowledge on.

>>77121003
That's a lot of words to say that you feel like I'm wrong but can't articulate why. Your emotions are not an argument, lil bro. Studies don't magically become "faulty" just because some rando on /fit/ says they are.

I shared what studies would fit in the character limit of my post. There are plenty more out there but I think we both know you'd just invent some bullshit reason to dismiss anything I posted. You're clearly not here for a good faith discussion. That said, I'm gonna direct you to
>>77119424
>These are not intended to convince you that I'm right, but that you need to do your own research.
>>77119476
>Do your own research or don't; it doesn't matter to me if you get cancer.

>>77117731
>Similarly our gut microbiome turns fiber into short chain fatty acids.
no it doesnt thats why its fibre..

>>77121027
I didn't read your blog post, so you're so upset or whatever it's about.

>>77121031
Except it literally does and a simple search on any search engine or scientific literature website would tell you that you're incorrect.

>>77121040
clearly you didnt even do that, because only small amounts of fibre are fermented by bacteria producing some small chain fatty acids. the whole point of it being fibre is that it doesnt break down and so bulks the stool. its plant which has cellulose we can't break down cellulose in any way so no it does not. fibre is non essential.

>>77121052
I'm glad we agree. Don't know why you said that it was false and then followed up by saying it was true.

>>77121053
becuase the fibre doesnt get broken down. its not turned into short chain fatty acids as you claimed, fibre after all is indigestible

>>77121056
Whatever you say, you already conceded that it is, but in small amounts. If I eat a small amount of food, I've still eaten. You are wrong, and I don't know why you're arguing. Maybe you just like arguing.

>>77121056
They're trying to turn the argument into a semantics mice and cat game
>Fiber is indigestible
>No it's not
>Yes it is akchually a cows microbiome can break it down into SCFA
>So humans cant since they're maladapted ?
>Akchually it's indigestible which is why it has to ferment in our gut
>But we're humans not cows why would give our digestive system extra work for noth...
>JUST EAT THE FUCKING CELLULOSE GOBBLE DOWN THE PSYLLIUM HUSK YOU ANTI SEMETIC NAZI

>>77121061
The term is cat and mouse, and that's not how you use the term semantics or cat and mouse. And the fact that you're getting so vitriolically upset after he already conceded that he was incorrect is really weird.

>>77121062
All i know is how to use your mums arsehole, she's got a squeaky clean butt from all the fiber she consooms

>>77121071
Weird.

>>77118153
>with ZERO studies that vegetables increasing our disease risk
>but my studies by ching chong ping pong and pajeet saarneedful on 2 mice are the gospel of truth
There's a grave misunderstanding on this entire board of the process for going from hypothesis to published study.
1) It's common to start with mice and then move on to clinical human trials, but what if there were bad outcomes for the mice? In order to get a human trial started, those researchers have to go before an ethics review board and basically tell them "hey, so we intentionally induced cancer in our mice and now we'd like to attempt to intentionally induce cancer in human subjects". How do you think the board will respond? It's the same reason why there's no clinical trial proving that getting shot in the head is bad for you.
2) and then once the study is done, it's not guaranteed to pass through editing. The journal editor can simply choose not to publish it. If the study contradicts that the journal has previously published or potentially opens the medical industry up to a future lawsuit, they're less likely to publish it.

>>77117301
fiber is useful for things you haven't listed, like binding to endotoxin.

>>77121930
0 proof of that
You wouldnt have toxin skill issues if you ate properly

>>77121943
do you live in a society or do you live on a homestead 900 miles from another person?

>>77117810
cows eat grass. I don't eat grass.

>>77117905
it's hard to gather any useful data from those kinds of studies because they rely on vague questionnaires given over long intervals, plus there's a healthy user bias where if somebody who cares about /fit/ness hears that vegetables are healthy they will eat more alongside other healthy habits like exercising and not smoking.
not to say that vegetables aren't healthy.

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>>77117435