>>77119291
>theoretical
I eat less or I burn more calories and lose body fat mass is not theoretical.
If I continue to do so until a point my body eats its own muscle mass or tendon mass to survive is not theoretical.
If I continue to do so after that I will die, which is not theoretical.

The Japanese have hundreds of pages of scientific torture documents proving the exact processes of CICO. You can go read them if you want kid.
Because if you don't Calorie In, you will expend Calorie Out and die.

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>>77119291
>metabolic disprivilege
I too like to make up words

>>77119291
>individual bodies make +/- 20% difference in digestive enzymes
>individual bodies have unique gut microbiomes with unique compositions
>this results in variation from the ideal case
It's trivial to think about, and a nightmare to measure meaningfully. Let it also be said that "deviation from the ideal case" =/= "the ideal case is not true."

>>77119291
>midwit thinks he's smart because he uses big words
>isn't smart enough to realize he just needs to eat less and healthier to lose weight
Many such cases

>>77119291
>Has anyone ever managed to prove that CICO's theoretical
I did.

Cico makes more sense when you think of calories out as the co2 you breathe out. At least that's how I see it, 'mass in (food), mass out (co2)'

>>77119820
Even then you're ignoring multiple variables like the food being processed during that moment, the "BMR" differing during multiple periods of the day and not all activities resulting in the same amount of energy expenditure as well as adaptations to exercise (as you progress in aerobic exercise, your body starts burning less, similarly when you go into lengthy weight cuts your "BMR" will also go down)
The measure will be very momentary

>>77119291
OP is a faggot retard.

>>77119960
You should learn to not try and take every statement as an argument.

>>77119960
Who said anything about energy, I simply said mass in mass out, conservation of mass is well known

Fat people will continue to exist for as long as it takes less effort to write down gibberish than to put down the fork.

>>77119291
yes motherfucker, every single athlete in the world who is competing in a specific weight class

>>77120300
Metabolically privileged. NEXT

>>77119291
Somethings do not need to be rationalized and will, in fact, make you sound like a bitch.
You're living in a surplus society. If you lose muscle mass in the process of losing weight, you can recover it later on with exercises.
You're not immune to the laws of thermodynamics.

CICO is total blarney, though. Keto is the only diet that is metabolically different and life changing.

>>77120332
shit b8 m8

>>77120336
I am dead serious. Every other diet relies on willpower while you're still consuming the same old shit in varying quantities. Keto is the only diet that has a measurable metabolic difference.

>>77120338
dogshit b8 m8 I r8 0/8

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>>77119291
Fucking christ why not actually study the goddamn fucking subject before speculating?

You can find this book for free fucking everywhere, and even for a first-year student of actual medicine/pharmacology this is like bottom of the barrel stuff. Metabolic regulation has been optimized so long ago, we have the principles in common with animals we last shared a common ancestor with over 100 million years ago. We even share some of the most basic aspects of caloric regulation with all other eukaryotic life.

Really fucking basic stuff and you're wasting time speculating about shit you don't know shit about, when you can just open a book like pic related and spend that time actually just fucking learning.

>>77119291
No. You're a dysgenic dead end, bound to look be an ugly, fat piece of shit for the entirety of your pathetic life, which I would have gladly ended out of mercy, had it not been for the laws of this land. I hope this is the answer you hope for. Rejoice in your pathethic lack of agency and may your existence be a short one.

>eat less
>lose weight
idk why fags try to turn this into rocket science, sure looking deeper into how our methabolism works is interesting and all but if you are a useless fat fuck that needs to lose weight you don't need to know more than that you have to keep your mouth shut. We know more about our biology than ever and yet there are more hambeasts than ever, just keep it stupid simple ffs
Calculating your CICO works through pretty large approximations but it's still useful as a rough guide and it gives you an idea about how more or less dense certain foods are, only retards are against it

>>77119291
>Heh, so you called me out on being fat and showed me how it's very simple to lose weight...
>HOWEVER
>I have a counter example of someone with a genetic disease, which I do not possess myself
>What now?

>>77121248
>idk why fags try to turn this into rocket science
Because they don't want to eat less.
The truth is that they enjoy eating more than they hate being fat, but they refuse to simply acknowledge it. So instead they make up elaborate copes for why eating less wouldn't solve the problem anyway.
Anything to avoid admitting that they are fat fucks by choice.

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>>77119291
This guys career is so confusing and it’s baffling he’s not entirely a lolcow.
>writes Harry Potter fanfiction
>becomes a “leading thinker” of Bay Area and online rationalist cults
>now somehow people take his opinions on AI safety seriously (the opinion is of course that it’ll kill us all in two more weeks)
>rants about simulation theory, rokos basilisk, and what is essentially atheist Pascal’s wager
All of this while being the archetypal incarnation of the fedora wearing neck beard.

>>77121784
>now somehow people take his opinions on AI safety seriously (the opinion is of course that it’ll kill us all in two more weeks)
So I work in the AI space (mostly ML in pharma, I have like 15 first author publications in the space and however many middle author papers) and basically no one I work with knows who this guy is. I've even been on some big AI safety papers, and I asked some of my other colleagues just casually, and literally nobody has heard of him lol. I only see him mentioned by meme AI company cult-of-personality people and in surface-level discussion of AI by non-researchers. I've followed him for snark for a while now (the less-wrong crowd is super obnoxious, which is fun to hate-read), and he and his cult members have the strongest biases I've basically every seen. He likes to insert himself into AI conversations by saying "look! I've said AI will doom us all before anyone else!" as if that is or was an original thought. People were saying what he was saying before he was born.
Fun to hate-read though.

>>77119291
Yes. Me. Eight years ago I lost 75lbs by eating less. I never started eating more again after losing the weight and so my weight never went back up.

>>77121852
Nice I work on ai in the robotics space mainly on computer vision for navigating 3d space (drones). Mixed source multi lense and LIDAR.

>>77119291
You people are all fatasses creating galactic level cope.

Calorie out is mandatory.

Calorie in is not.

Figure it out, fatty.

>>77120332
Keto is CICO. All diets are CICO. CICO is just a fact; if you eat more than your body uses your weight goes up. If you eat less than your body uses your weight goes down. Some diets, like keto, are more effective at raising your CO or making you feel satiated so your CI is lower, but all diets fall back on the basic principle of CICO.

>>77121883
That's a cool space, I was always interested in that area tangentially, especially sensor-based decision making via reinforcement learning, I played with some toy Atari playing models, mostly just some simple PPO and DQN models for funsies. Never cared for 3D space, but I was really interested in the NeRF/gaussian splatting work when that came out, pretty neat stuff. Do you use world models like Dreamer3 or is it in a totally different area of work? I'm not familar with the current state of using mixed source sensors outside of like, basic Kalman filters.

>>77121784
>rokos basilisk
kek. imagine being such a midwit that you take rokos basilisk seriously AND you talk about rokos basilisk.

>>77119291
>CICO doesnt work because my CO is lower than yours
extremely braindead

>>77121852
That’s been my experience as well (though I work on the adjacent [spoiler]legal[/spoiler] side of things). Seems also fitting that the first google image I found was him on the lex Friedman podcast. I guess he wouldn’t be as good of a lolcow if the LessWrong people didn’t take him seriously and inflate his ego
>>>77122023
Pretty funny though that they’ve somehow created a convergent secular model of fire and brimstone pseudo Lutheranism under the guise of enlightened atheism

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>>77119291
>Chudkowsky
NGMI

>>77121248
>>77121889
>Cico gets debunked
>Muh it's akchually just eat less eat more bro im sowwy ill stop being a micro managing nerd who unironically believes 100g of pea protein will provide the "energy" as 100g of milk carbohydrates

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>This thread

>>77121889
Keto is metabolically different, fagtron.

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Calories are a very stupid way of indirectly measuring food quantity, and you shouldn't care about them.

No animal that eats its natural diet becomes obese, regardless of how much of it eats.
If you eat your natural diet (meat) and nothing else, you will not be obese. PERIOD.

But of course, morons will bend over backwards to justify eating twinkies and junk food. Faggots.

>>77122235
that doesnt disprove CICO you absolute retard,
sure it might be impossible to be obese eating only watermelons but if you could stomach 30lbs of it, it would make you fat

>>77122235
It's funny because this is a two-year-old photo that is spammed endlessly. You just posted it in the fiber thread where Someone pointed out that carnies and keto people never post their body with a timestamp and you got absolutely blown out of the water because not only does this image not have a timestamp but it's an endlessly spammed image from two years ago.

>>77119300
>pages of caloric torture by nippon

source pls

>>77123050
Ye I didn’t ask

ITT brainlets.
CICO was never proven. What's proven is that nobody can accurately measure the CI or CO unless you live in a lab 24/7.

Continue to cope, retards. Like all the other memes you stole from reddit (SS; oats, squats), CICO is wrong.

any thread with retards crying about CICO not working should end up with perma ban.
PUT IT INTO STICKY AND BAN THESE DERAILING THREADS FUCKING JANNIES

>>77119291
This guy's face, name, and wall of text is the closest thing to Disco Elysium in the wild.