On a whim I decided to look for listings for X230s. I already have one I got for cheap a few years back, I was just curious. Looks like they've gotten pretty expensive recently (at least, compared to the average price I'd see back when I was in the market for one), and there aren't any lots to take parts from and repair to then take one and sell the rest to to make your money back.

T-series are more or less the same. Older X-series have always been relatively expensive.

It's gonna suck if/when my X230 ever dies. Even with coreboot/libreboot compatibility, the T480 just isn't the same.

>>108225645
where i live a x230 is $140 since 2017

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Anyone have any advice for fixing the bezels on thinkpads? I have a T520 that has a crack in the bezel at the hinge and really don't want it to get worse.

>>108226457
i'm sure you can find replacement parts online. barring that, look for a dead unit with an intact chassis and harvest those bits

>>108225645
>>108225677
those things sure look nice but is there any real use case for x230s these days? at least with the t480, its quad core is still fast enough for web

>>108226457
Epoxy probably, but is it really just the bezel and not the hinge mount breaking off the cover?

>>108226992
I still use my dual-core X270 for web browsing and there's also quad-core modded boards for the X230

How is the T14 gen 1 thought of? I found an AMD model (R7 4750U, 16+512) for a bit more than 495 models (if you throw in having 512gb over 256 then it becomes the same). It is (a bit under) double the price of T480, but a lot of those come as 8+256, and the cpu is more than twice as fast, so going by numbers alone, it seems I'd get more power/ram/storage for the money.

>>108226457

multiple layers aluminium tape degrease mask paint with matte

>>108225161
guess i can ask here

i have a t420 and the ram is giving me problems. at least 1 of the module gives me errors with memtest85 on a single specific address

thet pc still works fine btw, it's just that sometimes random bits are getting corrupted here and there, so eventually it's gonna implode but whatever

my question is: should i bother with pressured air on the ram stick or alcoholing the stick's attachment thingy or just throw away the ram?

>>108227621
worth a shot, don't cost nothin.

can someone spoonfeed me please what do I look for on ebay (eu de) if I want a ryzen based Thinkpad with at least vega 6, and ability to get it to 16gb dual channel (either coming with 8+8 or just 8 and I'll get another after?
its either Thinkpads or elitebooks 845 g7.

>>108227688
T14/T16, E14 Gen 2 (or higher) and E15 Gen 2 depending on CPU/E16, P14s/P16s, for example

>>108227688
Just look on Kleinanzeigen.
What's your budget anyway?

>>108227776
don't the 14s have soldered ram?

>>108227837
I did already, its pretty barren.
around 200€
I found 845 g7 4650u refurbs on ebay. thought maybe Thinkpad would be better.

>>108227850
or rather, I looked in my area. I never used Klein with shipping before and never used ebay..

>>108227838
Depends on the exact model, I think. Most have at least one SODIMM slot as long as they aren't the slim models notified by "s" (as in T14s, as opposed to T14), the PXXs models being the exception. But do your research on the exact models available for you.

>>108227917
is it hard to pick ram to work in dual channel along soldered one though? that's why I was confused

>>108227953
It always runs in dual channel when the slot is filled. It's good to use a SODIMM with the same speed as the onboard chips or higher so it doesn't downclock.

I have a X61, W500, X220, T440p and T480. What should I add to my collection?

>>108228019
I see .. thought you had to match it a lot more

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I used to rock a T480 but it was in really bad shape. Like falling apart, held together with hot glue. I decided to get a T470 for $60 on ebay because of the part sharing it has with the T480. I was able to keep my ram, NVMe, Batteries.
I love this thing. The keyboard is so much nicer then my old one. I don't notice any performance difference despite it being gen 6. I know shills online won't shutup about the T480, but the T470 is often overlooked and I hope that continues.

I got a t42 for parts that works but has artifacting in the de. Not sure if it's a driver or the ati Gpu is kill, but it has the 1400x1050 panel.
Is it possible to swap this panel into my T23? They had an optional panel of the same resolution

>>108228186
I use a T470 keyboard in my T480 just for the more pleasant green and orange lights, also keep the T470 it came from as a backup

>>108228215
Definitely possible. I once swapped a T42 screen into a T60. I think screen swaps were more forgiving back in those days.

any idea how to fix the trackpoint buttons of my x220 not working?

>>108227953
Once you decide on a model, just look up the speed and timings, and buy a module to match. I'm sure you can get by with matching speed but if you really want to ensure congruence find one with the same timings.

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>>108227621
RMA the DIMMs, mfgs do really have lifetime warranty if you dig up a receipt pdf and email them.
Pic related my new DDR3 sticks just arrived under RMA, manufacture date 2026 week 6

Also wondering how it is possible that manufacturers make ddr3 still to this date, are they hoarding this many old chips for this long? Who buys ddr3 today, no shops hold any new dimms or especially soddimms in stock!

Which models are the best value right now for $200?

>>108227042
Bezels are very fragile on all Thinkpads.

>>108232461
this german hardware shop has quite a bit in stock at least.
https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Arbeitsspeicher+(RAM)/SO+DDR3+Module.html

>>108233451
T490/495, if you're lucky even a T14 Gen 1.

how bad is the flex mode performance hit on a P14s AMD compared to full dual channel?

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HP is way better.

>>108234717
source?

>>108233451
bunch of P14s but that's on eu ebay and with bidding

>>108228038
Sunlight.

>>108227488
this is the exact config t14g1 i picked up a couple weeks ago and have been using it daily, i'm enjoying it a lot
have another 16gb ram stick coming this week too, i'll get to storage once 512 starts not being enough

how much am I going to hate myself if I get the UK keyboard variant?
I don't code

>>108236685
once you swap out the keymap the only real physical difference is the backslash key, unless the placement of that key is very important to you then i don't see why it would make a major difference

>>108236739
I'm really only worried about left shift being short. its making me paranoid.
didn't even know this layout existed, so its kind of messing with my head.

>>108236805
actually, can that key next to the short lshift be remapped to also be a shift? that would solve it

>>108234717
>bp

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>>108235286
fucking hell.. the 5850u one went for 370€... holy moly...
I'm gonna try to get a 5650u one for 250... not sure if I can even get that, really..
I'm aiming for a refurb cause I can't find anything else better or even on par used. bunch of hp 845 g7's for like 200€.

anything you guys can recommend? I just want something with vega so i can play oldish games like fallout and skyrim.
and if not, at least like 2005 era games and ps2 emulation.

>>108227621
I'm not sure if the option exists on windows but on Linux there is an option to tell the kernel to not use certain physical memory addresses. If you're too lazy to RMA the RAMs (most likely they do have lifetime guarantee) you could use that to keep your machine working without worrying too much.

>>108232461
The only difficult thing to make on a ddr3 memory module are the DRAM chips and ddr3 DRAMs are still being produced for embedded and cheapskate industrial applications and whatnot. When you have the DRAM chips and its supporting components, assembly is so easy you can do it at home with some flux paste and a hair dryer, or a carefully balanced clothes iron.

>>108227488
I have a t13 amd gen 1 with a 4650u. The t14 should be totally fine. Your math is pretty much correct.

>>108234717
>liji

>>108225161
Wavy boy.

has anyone tried jumping a pc power button on a smd power switch pad

i bought a t480s

>>108230226
Oh nice, I'll have to give it a try, did you swap the lvds cable too?

P14s Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U 16GB 500GB for 250-270€
or is it worth going to
P14s Gen 2 Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U 16GB 500GB for 350-370€

I couldn't find anything cheaper

>>108242717
I'd personally get the cheaper one. The R7 can't outrun the R5 by much within the thermal envelope.

>>108243119
thanks. will try
is it going to be a lot worse in single channel? its only the soldered 16gb + a free slot, but I don't need 32gb

Best thinkpad for classic minecraft? Ideally running windowsXP

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>>108243371
Yes, your computer won't reach its full potential performance. But here's the thing.
Use case?

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>>108243505
g-games...

>>108236622
I looked at photos and it seemed to have only 1 ram slot. Does it have 2 actually?

>>108227488
I also found a P15 g1 (i7 10750h, 32gb ram, quadro gpu) for $510, seller says it can be negotiated a bit. Is it a good price? Are there any reliability concerns? Reliability is a big concern because I have a legion 5 from 2021 which gets random shutdowns when NOT under load, tried to hard to fix it myself, I cracked and it's now at a shop to get looked at. If it needs a new motherboard, it's more expensive than its value.

>>108243758
>I have a legion 5 from 2021 which gets random shutdowns when NOT under load
probably just a RAM issue I'd say. I have a MSI laptop at home I got an upgraded 32GB kit for and after putting the RAM in it kept randomly shutting down, put back the original RAM in it and it's working fine again. I put the 32GB kit in one of my Thinkpads instead and it's also working fine so it was probably just a compatibility issue

>>108243669
t14 gen 1 has one soldered and one additional slot

>>108243822
It always had the original ram in it. Shuffled it around all 6 ways possible, put in a new stick afterwards, nothing worked

>>108242404
MOMMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT

>>108242516
It's been a long time. I think I only swapped the panel itself. It had the same connector. One of those things where "if it fits, it sits".

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>x1 nano
>900g
they discontinued this series because people complained about the lack of ports and sdcard reader or whatever the fuck. they never heard of a dongle. lighter than a fatpad air, extremely good laptop and they shit right in its face.

the consumer is always WRONG.

>The Dongler

>>108245746
why have this when plain X1C with proper ports is just 10% heavier

Gotta do the IPS WQHD display upgrade on my T430. Are these cable and display from aliexpresso fine?
https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005008326062273.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008126024404.html

>>108228186
all the puders i seen on ebay for <$200 are broke. parts only or whatever. how did you get one for $60

>>108246068
adding 10% weight for some ports? sounds like some goober garbage to me

>>108246550
I won't accuse that particular poster of lying because there's the occasional smoking deal out there, and eGay really is a skillz issue for a lot of people, but it's rarely that straightforward if you look at the specs and condition of *actually sold* units.

There's always an dick-measuring incentive to under-play what you paid for a fully functional and working unit. People will say they paid $60, but it was actually $65, plus 8% sales tax, plus $20 shipping, plus a new $25 battery since the one it came with was clapped out, plus an SSD because it didn't come with one or came with some 128GB MSATA atrocity, plus a $40 ram kit because it came with a paltry 4GB.

...you get what I mean.

i got a refurbished t14 a month back and it has some faint screen burn and image retention. any good way to solve it? it is tripping me out. i wish i never noticed it desu now i cant unsee the ghosting effect

>>108246771
get a new screen panel

>>108246727
i realized this as i seen some office liquids that don't have storage or power cords. definitely a good way to buy one i would imagine. probably no cum

I want at least 12 threads, 32gb DDR4, and 2 SSDs. Based off that info, which laptop would you recommend?

>>108225161
how i know if i get real glass trackpad. i enter the number and on ebay it says plastic.

>>108227838
iirc t14 (non s) has 2x slots, t14s has 1x slot.
e14 i believe it depends on generation, but most likely only has 1x slot.

>>108248193
T490-T14 Gen 4 have 1 soldered RAM slot + 1 free RAM slot.
T14 at least are dual channel capable, not sure about the T490.
T14 Gen 5 and 6 have 2 normal RAM slots again.

>>108225677
I bought one for $80 in 2016, I checked now and they are still $50-70 lol

also GPUs, bought a RX 570 8GB for $90 in 2023, now I just sold it for the same amount

tech just doesn't drop in price with time as much it did years ago

>>108248291
The market went haywire. Covid supply issues, then the economy is fucked due to inflation. Jews are building their security state panopticon and buying up chips they may never use. Everybody is poorer and the demand for old shit is higher, for those that aren't debtmaxxing.

>>108225677
The most expensive "for-parts" one I paid any mind to was an i7 variant for ~$70. I should've bought it one the spot desu.

There used to be a lot of (relatively) cheap for-parts auctions--most just needed a new battery or storage device--but there haven't been any lately. It's mostly just refurbished and librebooted listings, which is retarded to buy one since you have to flash it yourself to update it eventually or change anything--maybe you want to use a UEFI payload, or just have the kernel as the payload; maybe you want to set up full-disk encryption, or even just change the GRUB splash screen.

I'm actually curious how well of a job vendors who sell librebooted ThinkPads do. I feel like they do the bare minimum and just flash it without doing any actual configuration; they don't even compile a ROM, they just download a pre-compiled ROM. Some boards actually benefit from certain configurations within the build system.

I can understand, in some part, vendors doing "the bare minimum" to set up a librebooted system, with the assumption that the buyer will then set up the rest of the system themselves.
>>108248291
>tech just doesn't drop in price with time as much it did years ago
With older ThinkPads, part of it is no doubt normalfags being sold on the brand meme or the libreboot meme, and inflating the value of them. To me, libreboot/coreboot is really only good for having an up-to-date BIOS/UEFI, and having a choice of payloads. Whoever thinks a librebooted ThinkPad is a hard counter to glowniggery is painfully dull, and I hope they get party vanned.

>>108247030
If you have a drawer full of spare parts like >>108228186 did or don't mind factoring in one or two new things into your total cost (that is hopefully below what you'd pay for a unit that is already specced that way), yeah. Buying a stripped model and essentially refurbing it yourself can be fun and sometimes cost-effective. Even if you break even with a unit that's already specced that way, you got to pick your own parts and your hobby kind of paid for itself. That's old /tpg/ energy.

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>>108246727
>>108228186
You have to buy an incomplete laptop. No batteries, no ram, no drives or drive caddy. I also used a coupon that was right on the page. So yes. This is what I paid. Amazing deal. The one I got was in perfect condition.

I need a new work laptop, it needs to be able to run a browser fast, do video meetings, and it needs to be light.

Which Thinkpad do you recommend?

>>108250043
Of used ones, T14(s) or X13 gen 2, preferably AMD
If you really mean new, T14s gen 6 with Intel V series seems like one of the better compromises

if my trackpoint is inaccurate does the cap or the keyboard itself need replacing

how do you use the nipple?..
is it better than trackpad?..
why does every laptop manufacturer put trackpad into such a stupid place?

>>108252619
gesture support is still superior on a trackpad. for longer sessions though, and especially while scrolling through pages, the nub’s a lot greater at managing fatigue, and if u like it on your lap, it’s a lot more handy to use whilst never letting go of the keyboard

>>108252619
I have the touchpad disabled on all my pads and use the nipple for everything except drawing. For me the killer feature is smooth scrolling at any speed for any duration without having to reposition your fingers.

>nipple
It's a clit, you idiots.

can you talk about laptops in general here or only about thinkpads and business laptops?

Most powerful that has a VGA?

>>108255183
W541
T550 and W550s also have VGA but come with less powerful U series CPUs

>>108255130
/tpg/ mostly concerns itself with business laptops. Other brands besides Thinkpads are tolerated and you may get answers about them but most people here only have the autistic depth of knowledge about lenovoshit.

If it's a dumb question go ask /sqt/. Don't ask if you can upgrade the GPU in your Asus walmart black friday special.

>>108244322
repair shop called today, even they couldn't find the cause for the shutdown, also pointing towards a mobo problem

>Don't buy anything other than IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
I have read this BUUUUUUT(t)
>>108255623
>autistic depth of knowledge about lenovoshit
Leads me to want to at least try to ask: Are IdeaPads any good at all? I'm in the market for a 14in 16:10 OLED thing with an ok battery life for not too much money just for school work and to be lulled to sleep by 2000s comedy shows maybe some extremely light gaming like idk Stronghold and PvZ I got a proper desktop so idrc but anyway I can really only find IdeaPads that fit those criteria there's couple of Acer laptops but they're going all-in on the AI shit and I'm far too autistic to not seethe about seeing a Copilot™ key and dedicated acer bloatware key every time I open the lid

>>108249644
>>108246727
bought a laptop which matches my broken laptop that won't power on anymore. so now i have extra parts that i can use but it won't help me because the thing that eventually breaks is the montherboard or the soldered memory or and so it doesn't matter

i have sucked 4 men's dicks

>>108255183
Just get an adapter, what's the problem?

>>108256971
No problem I got two, I was mostly just curious desu. What's the point of wasting a reply on a pointless question like this especially when someone else already genuinely answered?
>>108255261
Btw since I'm replying thanks Anon

I wish the T16 had a centered keyboard like the OG T530.

>>108257392
The c13 looks pretty good. it's nice and small like you would want a laptop to be

>>108255130
laptop general never takes off on /g/ because all the non-garbage laptops are fucking expensive.
I doubt you would get any decent advice on /g/.

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>>108225161
I'm looking to buy a Thinkpad in the US for around 200-400 USD. My main priorities are unironically just having a nice screen ideally 14+ inches in size for watching anime and toying around on Linux. ideally would be nice if it's quiet or has at least some decent specs for the modern era either or. the current laptop i'm looking at is either a P15 Gen 1 or P1 Gen 3 unless there's a better bang for the buck. i'm also not opposed to E series since i don't take my laptop outside and it doesn't have any jank drivers with Linux.

>>108254355
that grosses me out. I'm gay

>>108259779
p14s g2 amd maybe. I think its quiet

>>108228186
>I decided to get a T470
its a pretty good laptop, my dads work were throwing a bunch out, he got a couple and gave me one, they both had passwords on the bios so i couldnt change a bunch of the settings and a bunch of stuff had been disabled.

i picked up a ch314a and patched the bios to unlock it, installed win11 and it works great even with its dual core and 8gb of ram, will even game tho not too demanding.

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Sometimes after wake up my physical mouse buttons stop working but both trackpoint and touchpad pointing still works. Re-enabling either in device manager does nothing. Is my (non-user-removable) keyboard physically fucked?

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Oh, it might be software after all.
Weird that pointing works.

>>108259779
Both you're looking at share the same screens.
Try getting one with the 4k IPS or OLED screen for better colors.
If you can snipe a P15 Gen 2 however go with that one since even the 1080p screen on it claim 100% sRGB (I have the 100% sRGB screen optio on a T14 Gen 5 and it looks very nice)

>>108228186
>gnome

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>>108261370
use case?

>>108259928
A clit is basically just as small penis, why would it disgust you?

>>108261689
cause it's gross and attached to an even grosser vagina.

Best thinkpad model choice for $150 on eBay in the USA? I almost got a gen 6 x1 carbon for 140 but the listing ended.

>>108262465
T480s is as well-built as X1C6 and has the advantages of a RAM slot and a replaceable keyboard. You might also find lower specced T495 or T14G1A which could be worth the downgrade in sturdiness if you need better graphics.

are t14 keyboards good?

>>108262974
It's fine.
The older keyboards feel better but they're not as bad as other laptops.

>>108262974
T14 G1-G2 are the same as you'd expect from older models like T460s-T490(s) or X1 Carbon before 7th gen. A far cry from T430 and earlier, definitely doesn't feel like a desktop keyboard anymore, but still pretty comfortable.
T14 G3+ are noticeably shallower and at least the two that I've used (might depend on manufacturer) were flexy around the nipple and near the edges.

>>108256399
IdeaPads are "consumer" hardware. They're not built as well as "business" class machines. The cooling is worse, component failure is more frequent, hinges and keyboards don't stand up to as much abuse, and parts are harder to source. Weirdly, they do often have nice screens and higher specced GPUs.

The calculus of /tpg/ favors parts availability, repairability, low cost (for 3-5+ year old or significantly older hardware) and ruggedness above all. Bottom line, you can run an IdeaPad, but you need to baby it. Keep the fans dusted and clean. Open the lid slowly and carefully from the middle. Don't pick it up by the corner. Don't drop it or spill anything on it. Mind your warranty period, you might need it.

For your use case you don't need anything THAT flashy. You could get by with a used business class machine that's a few years old for the same or less money you could abuse.

>>108225161
thinkpads are shit and cost way too much for what they actually offer.

just purchased a used precision 5530. has been pretty comfy

>>108267405
oh, so that's why people like ThinkPads so much...
P is also good, right? 14s

>>108268364
P14s is two different models. AMD version is lighter, more plasticky, but has an easily replaceable keyboard. Intel has a mostly metal chassis and dual fans but is infected with the unified keyboard-palmrest of most other laptops. If I was to buy a ThinkPad new (if I wasn't poor) I'd probably pick one of these two or a P1, which is essentially a larger P14s Intel with better GPU options.

>>108268562
I'm trying to get my hands on a p14s g2 AMD refurb still.
shame it's plastic but whatever. p1 is a lot more expensz

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>>108268562
unified keyboard palmrest?

heard that the wifi card on AMD P14s is not very good.
which one can I get from Ali to replace it? signal is SHIT in my room
or should I just use my old phone as a repeater?

>>108268886
I actually prefer plastic because generally speaking it should be easier to replace parts, not get as warm and absorb impacts better without denting.
Also Lenovo's generally high build quality counters a lot of the disadvantages often associated with plastic laptops like loose hinges and a wobbly screen.

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>>108225161
The dock for the T470 is like $20 new. Insane deal. All because it doesn't use thunderbolt.

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>>108269477
>>108269494
oh so that's the external power button i was dreaming about...

>>108269477
Tb docks are like 25-40 bucks.

>>108225161
Do all thinkpada have that gross sorta rubbery finish to them like the T400?

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>>108268886
G2 AMD is a nice one, being the first AMD model that narrowly beats Intel in battery life and the last one before they downgraded the keyboards again
>>108268889
See pic
>>108269126
Intel AX210 or AX200

where did the fn and ctrl key switch come from

>>108268210
that's why we buy them used

>>108270017
>ax200/210
god damn, any cheaper ones?

>>108270290
?? they're like 10 dollarydoos how is that expensive

>>108270310
I can only find ones that are like 20 euro. where do you get one for 10 bucks?

>>108270350
ah they seem to have gone up in price in my cunt too, bought an ax210 for like 12€ a month or two ago

>>108226992
>but is there any real use case for x230s these days?
no

>>108269126
Run an ethernet cable from your router to your rooms ceiling and install a wifi access point

>>108226992
My X220 can still browse the web but struggles with 1080p video streaming (720p works fine).
The X230s will have a better iGPU though so maybe it can handle it.

>>108226992
It's still mostly fine for web. You need to install h264ify for YouTube, some kind of adblock, and noscript for good measure. Linux isn't a *must* but it will run significantly faster. Even tho you can put an msata drive in the wwan slot, it's sata2 speed. Stick to the 2.5" drive slot (and an SSD) for sata3 speeds.

There's not a lot of daylight between the i5 and i7 models for compute. What the i7 has going for it is the screen is guaranteed to be factory IPS unless it's been swapped.

X230 is fine for just about anything you'd need a Chromebook or remote admin/thin client for. Set your expectations appropriately.

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>>108269126
get an AX210, it should be less than 10 bucks on aliexpress. I bought 3 of them a few months ago (one for my T480, one for my A485, one for my desktop) and they work really well
picrel is what I'm getting from my bed on my T480, which is in the room directly upstairs from my router (ISP-supplied router so not a very good one)

I need a $200 thinkpad for minecraft content creation. And recommendations?

>>108225161
is that thinkpad okay?

>>108271483
Mild user wear, it's fine. Just need to blast it with an air can.

>>108271026
"my" router is a public wifi hotspot in a container. its right outside my door but walls are metal so when the door is closed it drops to low bars and packet drops.

>>108271387
is there much difference between 200 and 210? I'll try to get one either way

>>108225161
>>108271484

>>108271507
>is there much difference between 200 and 210?
AX200 is Wifi 6 and can do 2.4 and 5GHz. and bluetooth 5.2
AX210 is Wifi 6E and can do 2.4, 5 and 6GHz, also does bluetooth 5.4

>>108271507
>is there much difference between 200 and 210? I'll try to get one either way
the latter supports 6ghz wifi (wifi 6E), that's all I know

>>108271546
bt is probably the only one of those I actually care about.
not sure if it does anything either but its my vague hope that someone sometime will figure out how to make Bluetooth not complete garbage when you're trying to talk to someone on voice.

anyone know any cheap arms I can mount one to so I can have it in front of me over my bed? I got a good wireless keyboard already

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higher than what I hoped for but I was sick of losing bids. previous one was 276 and I lost by 3.
congratulate me or tell me how much I've been played
its refurbished "good" certified.

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>>108271269
>You need to install h264ify for YouTube
Bro that came in clutch. I have been using a T470 and youtube is ass. setting up firefox to use hardware acceleration and disabling av1 in firefox config has improved my youtube experience for sure. I can now use this thing.

>>108271830
Not bad to be desu with you

>>108271902
yay

jeets lost

>>108271860
don't worry anon, nta but I also use that on my T480. more battery life (with HW acceleration configured), less fan noise

are there av1 issues on this one >>108271830 ? what should I do to configure things and which OS should I use?
sorry if I'm being annoying just never really had a laptop before other than an old ProBook for a year from my work that burned my thighs.
I think I tried arch and nobara on it, dual booted with win10. want to squeeze as much performance as I can out of it.

>>108271636
Ask /csg/.

>>108272554
they did not help

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How do I soup up my ThinkPad? I wanna slap in several terabytes of storage space so I don't need to get an external harddrive. Are there recommended sites for sourcing parts or do I need to gamble on Ebay?

>>108270017
Does gen 2 have dual boot if I put an ssd in the wwan slot?

>>108275194
Sadly no, only gen 1

>>108274964

take it to workshop and ask how things are?

What docks are compatible with the T420? I've been thinking about picking one up so I could have my desktop mount the drives when I dock my laptop, has anyone done this?

>>108268301
In terms of build quality is it better than a thinkpad or elitlebook to you?

>>108270997

>>108276641

>>108274964
You didn't even tell us what model. You've been demoted to >>>/g/sqt/. Go ask there.

what is the cheapest Thinkpad I can comfortably browse internet with many tabs and YouTube and play around 2005 vidya on?

>>108276972
>T470
Are you porting it yourself? I can see X270, T470s and E470 ports but not T470

>>108277436
T420, or if 16GB isn't enough for "many" tabs maybe T460p or one of the older W-series

>>108277552
which t420? only ones I can find are ancient dualcores with 8gb

>>108277436
T450 or W540, really depends what sorta trash heaps you can find on sale desu.
I've seen 9th Gen Carbons go for 190 bucks, You just need to find a boomer to lowball.

>>108277777
>You just need to find a boomer to lowball
sometimes you don't even need to lowball. not Thinkpad-related but a few months ago I found an iPod Classic 7th gen for 50 bucks. those go for at least 3 times that price on ebay usually so I bought it instantly (not from ebay though, I found it on a local marketplace, guy who sold it was probably an old boomer)

>>108277688
If you don't see any quad-core T420 you can look 1-2 gens newer (T430, T440p) which were ordered with quads more often. RAM isn't a showstopper, used DDR3 is dirt cheap at $10-15 per 8GB.

>>108277777
>>108277798
all I can find is once again ancient dualcores for 150-200€
shit like 4300m

>>108278408
Well then your country has a shit used market. My L440 bought in December cost 70€ for the base laptop plus 50€ for upgrades (quad-core and 16GB)

>>108278553
I'm in Germany where you at

>>108278634
Austria, got the laptop and RAM locally and the CPU from Aliexpress
I thought Germany had some of the best used prices outside the old eastern bloc?

>>108278634
Use Kleinanzeigen, Ebay is run by scalpers at this point.
Just use the like/save search option for all suitable thinkpad models and don't wait too long.

>>108278782
Ye, it's breddy good.
Turkish grandpas in shady markets selling you a mystery T/W(4,5)30 Chinkpads for 20-70€ and a number of low-spec T14 for under 200.

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>>108278782
don't got a clue about that. I've only been here two years and I'm a poorfag so I didn't buy anything back home. other than AliExpress.
didn't know there were laptops with swappable CPUs either.

>>108278787
yeah I use it. I couldn't find anything good.
a lot easier with bikes, you can get a good one for like 50.

I just got won a bid on this thing either way. given how barren the market feels and the prices in could resell it later for +100 if I wanted to.
was just wondering if there was something cheaper I could get. maybe send one to someone back home as well.
also most laptops I find on klein are on like 1 hour battery health.

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>maybe send one to someone back home as well.

Thought on L14 G1? There's one guy selling it for 160 bucks near my place, it's R5 4650U

>>108281767
L390 owner here. The Ls are fatter and more plasticky than their X or T cousins. The keyboard wasn't as good as the X13G1 I set up for a family member. Perfectly serviceable, but not as nice. Weirdly they kept user-upgradeable RAM slots for several more generations when Xs & TS went half or full soldered. Lenovo kinda gimped the L14G1 in two ways - single SSD, and no option for an aluminum lid.

For $160 you could do worse. AMD is good for longevity. In benchmarks it will do a little worse than an Intel contemporary, and battery life will suffer slightly as well, but it's the GPU that shows it's age soonest and the AMD iGPU is significantly better - meaning you may get more useful years out of your purchase.

>>108280318
huh?
why are you calling me

Bought a used T495 Thinkpad with a Ryzen 3 3300U a year back at a local store, slow but expected for a Ryzen 3.

ff and the laptop casually fried up 2 separate sticks of RAM through the sodimm slot leaving only 8gb to work with. I decided it's not worth it to fix it and went for a HP Elitebook

I kinda want to know if this is common for a used laptop?

>>108283025
I have multiple used laptops at home and I've never seen that happen even once. I have an A485 (seems like it's the same line of laptops but a generation older, Ryzen 5 Pro 2500U) and it's working perfectly fine with 2x16GB

>>108283025
Frying RAM?
3 used Thinkpads and so far I never encountered that

hey guys, how bad is single channel vs flex mode vs dual channel on AMD?
I have 16gb soldered and id rather not have to buy another 16 or 8 but if the performance is shit by comparison maybe I should?

>>108227621
>>108227636
>>108232438
>>108239731
thanks for replying, i actually fixed it but the situation is kinda weird.

basically i had 2x8gb sticks on the thinkpad, and both sticks, regardless of slots, gave me memtest86+ errors in a specific address, except ONE single time with 1 stick i managed to make it pass somehow but i couldn't replicate it

so i took 2x4gb sticks from another laptop (both passed memtest on that one) on the thinkpad and they work properly now, i also fixed all the corrupted sectors that were damaged

but again, the mystery is that those 2x8gb stick passed 2 checks on the other laptop 1 time, but not the both give the same errors as on the thinkpad before... i literally have no idea how that's possible... is it THAT hard to insert the ram stick properly? what else could it be?

>>108284814
>but not the both
but now they both*

>>108284814
could try underclocking the ram a bit assuming the bios provides that option

Don't know if this is the right place to ask but how can I get a chink thinkbook model with TGX port?

>>108284861
the voltage information is stored in the bios of the pc, not inside the ram, no? they only thing that comes to mind is that the only time those sticks worked was when i tested it on battery power but i'm not even sure about that

>Acer c740 with chromeos flex
>Stopped charging, but still turns on. Couldn't tell if it was the charger since it was a flimsy USB-C adapter I got on ebay
>Un and replugged the battery just to make sure
>Doesn't turn on at all now.
Is it worth it to buy another one to see if it's just the charger? I have a feeling it's the motherboard, but this seems to be a common problem if the charger fails.

>>108284914
You don't have spare chargers for your phones? If it's the mobo it's just one chip that's needs replacing but it's probably gonna cost you ~$100

>>108284931
Oh, the laptop doesn't use USB-C. The adapter itself converts usb-c to the port it uses. Its just another 20 bucks for the same model, but it sucks I literally don't have anything in my house that uses that same port.

>>108225161
When T540p aftermarket mainboards?
I know of https://www.xyte.ch/ and others where they completely restomod old ThinkPads. I want that for a T540p.

>>108284960
20 bucks for what?

>>108286060
Another c740.

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(already posted this on /fglt/ before, should've went here first, fuck's sake)

I might be getting a used T420 soon.

1) How do I fully and properly check if it's been tampered with or not? What BIOS settings should I change? I'm hoping Computrace isn't enabled on this thing, site said there's no pre-installed OS, which is fine. I'll have to download the OS through my Windows 10 system though, but I think if the checksums are okay (will inspect with HashCheck/7z), and they don't get altered suddenly, it's safe enough? I'll use Rufus.

2) Coreboot, Libreboot, Canoeboot, or GNUBoot? Genuinely never screwed with this stuff, seems overkill. But I'll do it if it's worth it.

3) Is me_cleaner recommended? Sounds like a pain in the ass, unless I'm wrong, unless you use coreboot. Skimmed the Github page a little. Heads and Skulls too, etc.

4) Linux distributions with zero systemd influence? Honestly it's whatever and I could just use Mint, or Windows 7, but I might check Artix. Gentoo sounds cool but I'm not sure if I'm in the mood for installing it.

If there's a webcam, I'll just tape it over, I don't care for those. If you guys have any more tips, info, or resources, I'll read them. Some website or whatnot on how to properly secure a Thinkpad is all I need.

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>>108286290
>1) How do I fully and properly check if it's been tampered with or not?
Check for what kind of tampering?
>I'm hoping Computrace isn't enabled on this thing, site said there's no pre-installed OS, which is fine.
You're going to install Linux. Computrace does not "phone home" on Linux, only on Windows.
If you're paranoid about Computrace, get rid of intel ME as well: https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
>I'll have to download the OS through my Windows 10 system though, but I think if the checksums are okay (will inspect with HashCheck/7z), and they don't get altered suddenly, it's safe enough?
IF you're willing to go as far to think that Windows 10 might tamper with your download, you've gone off the deep end and you should consider that the fucking checksum on the website you download from is also compormised by Windows 10.
At schizo levels this high, you need to verify the checksum with multiple devices with operating systems from competitors and on different internet connections, some that might not be traced back to you.
>I'll use Rufus.
Ok.
>2) Coreboot, Libreboot, Canoeboot, or GNUBoot? Genuinely never screwed with this stuff, seems overkill. But I'll do it if it's worth it.
Libreboot is off the table, that's a custom Coreboot (IIRC) made by /ourgirl/ for the x00 generation of Thinkpads. If you had a T500, you could've gone for it.
Idk if there's a core-, canoe-, or GNUBoot for the T420 tho.
>3) Is me_cleaner recommended?
See above, if you care, yes.
>4) Linux distributions with zero systemd influence?
Artix or Devuan are your best bet.

>If there's a webcam, I'll just tape it over, I don't care for those
Just pull the plug on the mainboard. Don't forget the mic.

>Some website or whatnot on how to properly secure a Thinkpad is all I need.
Wolfang on YouTube.

Consider these things as well:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches/tree/master
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Don't (You) me if you kill your device though.

>>108284789
It depends on what you're doing but in all the experiments I've seen over the years you're looking at anywhere from a 5% to a 30% handicap. Gaming and high ram swap workloads are on that higher end.

Get it and use it and if it's performing up to your standards, leave it alone and put that "free" upgrade in the back of your mind for later.

>>108286656
Cut the fucking webcam cable you complete moron

>>108286656
>Libreboot is off the table, that's a custom Coreboot (IIRC) made by /ourgirl/ for the x00 generation of Thinkpads.
Are you retarded? Libreboot supports T420, T430, and even the T480 now.

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>>108288768
Oh WHAT? Damn, I checked and retract my statement.

>Supports T440p and W541
>Doesn't support T540p
Why though :(

What are the use cases for P16?

>>108288971
You musta been out of the loop for a while. This is why I read Phoronix daily.

>>108289469
Yeah, been gone since 2022. I dip in here once in a while, but I haven't frequented as often ever since the lockdowns ended for the unvaxxed.

>>108289400
If you need a lot of performance in a small footprint or on the run, think geologists working on oil rigs, fabrication engineers on ships, etc.

How is the X1 Nano?

>>108288971
>T540p
There's an old wip for it in case you have time to tinker
https://review.coreboot.org/c/coreboot/+/38204

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>>108225161
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)
Do any of the ultrabook lines not have problems with key marks on the display?

>>108286290
>but I might check Artix
I've been using it on all my machines (Thinkpads included of course) for almost 2 years now. it's good

>>108286290
is this extreme autism or should I be worried I have not a clue about what most of this means?

>>108234717
>Iyi

>>108291271
Yes.

>>108269991
T-series mostly do, L-series mostly don't. There's a few lemons in the latter but I can speak for L440, L470 and L490 being fine.

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what a beauty. no wonder there's a general for this.
can someone rec how to clean it without fucking up the rubberized soft finish?
I'm autistic about bacteria since COVID and it's used so I'd like to clean it

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>>108290862
Unfortunately not. If i did create one, I wouldn't continue someone else's project either.
>Yeah we stopped doing this
>Anyone can continue working on this
>But we VILL steal your valor and you VILL be happy
Absolutely homosexual

>>108292266
Water with soap works for me

https://www.ifixit.com/News/115827/new-thinkpads-score-perfect-10-repairability
T14 Gen 7 has a 10/10 repairability score from iFixit

>>108292747
Nice

>>108292747
>Slide the USB-C port out of its socket and remove it.
Dayum

>>108292729
I'll take it to the bath with me next time. plugged in, of course

>>108292747
Nice, but worrying that Lenovo is the only company so far to sell Panther Lake with replaceable RAM. If they don't win enough customers over with this it's probably back to everything soldered in a few gens.

>>108292963
It's all going to live or die off how much corporate fleet sales and procurement types appreciate not having to bin a whole laptop over RAM. Worst case, let's just enjoy it while it lasts

guys, how do I pick proper ram to populate my only slot? (soldered model)
is anything other than getting 3200 matter?

>>108293027
What model? Pull the PSRF and check what the maximum speed is. Anything below that you leave speed on the table, anything above you're wasting money.

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>>108293042
p14s g2
>Up to 48GB (16GB soldered + 32GB SO-DIMM) DDR4-3200
so that's that, right? I shouldn't worry about timings or brand or chip manufacturer?
found picrel for 50 eurobucks

also, coulndt find the info about its network card slot and how many lanes it has. anyone fuck around with m2 egpu stuff?

>>108293212
>so that's that, right?
Right
https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_2_AMD/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_2_AMD_Spec.html
https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.html
>I shouldn't worry about timings
Look at the JEDEC specifications if the manufacturer doesn't say anything or if you're unsure, they adhere to standards and the standard CL for DDR4-3200 is CL22, everything faster is OC and might not work.
>brand or chip manufacturer?
It's a standard for a reason, every manufacturer adheres to those standards. If they decide to make OC ram, that's on them.
>found picrel for 50 eurobucks
I'd have said that that's expensive, but in this situation it is pretty alright.
>also, coulndt find the info about its network card slot and how many lanes it has
Intel or AMD? The Intel has soldered on WiFi so there's nothing you can do about it anyways.
For anything else, always check the Thinkwiki, it's German but I assume you'll manage:
https://thinkwiki.de/P14s_Gen_2_(AMD)
https://thinkwiki.de/P14s_Gen_2_(Intel)
>anyone fuck around with m2 egpu stuff?
No need to, you have Thunderbolt 4 on that thing, you can just buy an eGPU-Dock.

>>108293212
>>108293283
>I'd have said that that's expensive, but in this situation it is pretty alright.
Nevermind, I thought that that's a 32GB stick. Chances are you already have a 16GB stick, do not buy until you open your thinkpad up and look inside (disable the battery in the BIOS before teardown).

>>108293283
amd
I'll check the wiki thanks anon

>>108293313
nah I don't have anything. this is my first PC Hardware in a couple years. maybe single channel 16gb won't be too bad and i wont need to get more ram, but that was the cheapest I could find for 3200

friends my t14g1 with a 4750u has been incredible and i'd like to thank this general

gave it another 16gb stick to bring it to 32 and replaced the wifi card with an ax210, couldnt be happier

>>108293981
nice
where did you get the card? I want to get one too

>>108294129
i'm in burgerstan so i amazon prime'd it just so it'd come the same day as the ram i had coming so i wouldnt have to wait or pop the bottom off again since it's so damn easy to crack

it probably is way cheaper on aliexpress but it was 20 lardbux and came the next day, i don't care about saving five dollarydoos when the real added cost is waiting two weeks for delivery, personally

>>108243758
Broken legion 5 poster here again, this time a more competent repair shop looked at it, they saw a voltage drop on the cpu 2-3 seconds before forced restart (they actually probed the board), and this happened only when some instructions were executed.

I'm looking at early T14 models and trying to decide on the cpu. Are laptop AMD processors simply frying themselves?

>>108294188
fair nuff
>so damn easy to crack
uh, didn't know that, should I be worried

>>108294292
why would they? thought AMD ThinkPads had better cooling and ran cooler too?

>>108294378
i cracked the front facing lip my first time removing it and bought a replacement off aliexpress, then found out it's best to pop all the pins besides the front side first and then slide it off

then post-ram and wifi card upgrade i misaligned the clips while screwing it down and caused some warp in the touchpad area, so i proceeded to remove the back again and this time cracked it at the 3.5mm jack

im really not clumsy and generally really careful with electronics but ya, cracked two

i think most people wouldnt care though since these things arent meant to be babied, but mine looks crispy and i wanted to maintain it; small crack that no one would ever notice and doesnt functionally affect anything, i'll deal with until the next time i swap things out

>>108294378
The man at the repair shop said ryzen laptops have faults and that 70% of units he gets for repair are amd

>>108294444
I'm gonna baby the fuck out of mine. its so nice.

>>108294445
FUGG :DDD
hope I don't get fucked
maybe it's cheap shit gamer laptops with shit cooling or something?

>>108294687
same, i got this case for mine and slide a microfiber between the screen and keyboard when i close the lid

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08952D7Q6

i looked for screen protectors too but couldn't find any that seemed decent

>>108294705
think there's a point in silicone keyboard covers? keyboard is recessed so im assuming it wouldn't hit the screen

>>108294731
maybe? i never touch my electronics with dirty hands and wipe everything down with a lens wipe every few days so i wouldn't want to trade for mushy key feel

and i started doing the microfiber thing cause i read people were scratching their screens with their keyboards during transit, the screen is a tad recessed but since the frame has some give i can imagine in some instances it could make contact; that's why i looked into screen protectors cause i had one on my last laptop (surface laptop)

>>108294765
good idea. I have some microfiber from AliExpress.
honestly these laptops are outright sexy.
I really like the little dot on the I being a status led you can see from outside. brilliant.

>>108294781
nah i hear ya and i fully agree, had the same a-ha when i first saw the red light too

>>108294687
I'd say it was a midrange gaming laptop, not cheap shit. I also mostly used it as a desktop, so I had it on my table, not on a bed to clog the vents.

Maybe for the other cheaper dead amd laptops cooling is the case (+abusive owners), most normie laptops are still intel.

Are there any mass reports of mobile ryzen chips failing? I do have to take 70% amd/intel broken ratio with a grain of salt, that same man said intel 13/14th gen frying themselves was amd marketing

>>108295480
I haven't heard any but I'm a noob at this.

>>108295480
Sounds like an Intel shill. Was this shop in Tel Aviv?

>>108283025
Update from myself.
My Elitebook 845 G8 came home and started having issue right away. Notably the laptop will self-restart itself within two minutes in Windows.

I've checked HP diagnostics in the BIOS and ran memtest86 and the results are fine but it will always restarts itself in Windows.

Told the shop about the issue and they tried to fix the issue to no avail, board is toast and they will issue me a replacement unit in 2 business days.

I'm starting to wonder if this is common for a used laptop or just a specific issue with AMD used laptops?

>>108295575
The owner did say that the Iran war is just a scheme to manipulate prices, so Tel Aviv allegations unconfirmed?

>>108295586
oh fuck we have 3 cases of ryzen laptops shitting themselves in this thread, maybe the rumours are true and not intel shills

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opinions on using this for convenience and to preserve the charging port?

I have an old used T420s.
I took out the wifi card, hall sensor module/ webcam and mic, unplugged the speakers, and removed the hardrive.
I boot tails off a usb.
Anything else I can do for Opsec?

>>108296124
start using paper

>>108296257
>Literally leaving a paper trail

>>108270017
when i had to replace my keyboard i looked this up on youtube and found that it required a complete disassembly and so i gave it to someone in actual india while i was there and they put a replacement keyboard in it that came out of some random office computer and it works but some of the keys started falling off of it when i type too fast

still worth it because there's no way in fuck im taking the whole thing apart that looks like shit

I found both P15 gen 2 i7-11850H 32gb ram T1200 4gb and P15v gen 3 i7-12800H 32gb ram T1200 4gb refurbished for the same price.

Im an ece student and i just want it to last long while being able to do the most wide variety I'm gonna experiment with, from electromagnetic simulations to local llms and developing/coding projects.

I see that p15v gen3 has more cpu power and ram speed but significantly less gpu power and max ram capacity than p15 gen2. I'm also worried about thermals on p15v.

I need your wisdom.

>>108296921
go with the safe option and get your gen2. as a p15 gen1 user I have never been so happy with a laptop before. I'm sure a gen 2 will also bring you same kind of happiness

is a T470 good enough to play hi-def videos? i'm gonna leave it docked most of the time plugged into my 1440p monitor but i want to be able to take it with me and that's why i prefer a laptop. i don't plan on doing any gaming on it just watching videos

>>108296273
eat it afterwards

>>108297814
1440p video is fine but anything larger would bring it to its limits

>>108284814
Your English is kinda confusing. So you put the 2x8 memories on not-thinkpad laptop and 2x4 memories on thinkpad laptop and everything works properly now?

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>>108225161
I have an elitebook with an HP elitebook 2570p with a WWAN card, Novatel Expedite E362. I've not been able to get it fully functioning on W10, and have yet to find a linux distro that just works with it. Anyone got any advice or recommendations to get this thing up and working?

does it matter if the ram is single rank or dual rank when my on board is soldered in? not sure if it's single or dual. p14s g2 amd fag