/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots
Kimi edition
>The BotBrowser extension for SillyTavern has been confirmed to be a trojan that steals API keys. You should remove the extension and consider rotating your API keys if you've used it. Details: https://rentry.co/st-backdoor
The StructuredPrefill extension by the same author is suspected to be compromised too, so using it is not recommended either.
does "example messages" do something or is it something not needed anymore since models can pick up on things? I have a character who's gen z and I'm having trouble getting them to zoomer speak
>>108969249 It seems to change the formatting of the posts. If the example text uses reddit spaces then you will get a chat that is full of reddit spaces. If the example text starts with the character's name then the chat will have the character names.
>>108969262 I did but she doesn't go fr fr on god or whatever. Tried with kimi and deepseend >>108969273 ohhhh okay that makes sense, if a card doesn't have any, does it matter? I ask since old card tend to have lines and lines of it >>108969275 I'll try this since the first greeting has her speaking normally
Remember when we were the main, fast general and /vg/ was just a small offshoot? Soon even /vt/ and /mlp/ chatbot threads will be faster than us. It's over.
>>108970037 Nah, what I meant is... you know total context. Like let's say I have a context limit of 30,000. Example: I prompt, get a message - message one is 1000 tokens, putting total context in use at 1000 I prompt again, this time triggering a lorebook entry about Swamp Fuckass (500 tokens) The second message is also 1000 tokens Will it put me at 2000 total context, or 2500? If I make the lorebook entry about Swamp Fuckass sticky, will it eat up the context, or just exist in the lorebook and only get called when triggered?
>>108970061 2500 input tokens (aka context) ALL injections eat up tokens, if you make it sticky, those +500 will be sent with every prompt if you make it non-sticky, those 500 tokens will only disappear when they triggering term is pushed out of the 30,000 window
>>108970091 Thanks anon I just can't wrap my head around how it makes it better to RP. I guess it makes it so that the 3000 tokens of lore don't get scanned every time, and only a specific one however, doesn't manually inserting that context into the story function in the same manner? Overall, for RPing, how would I use that stuff? Basically, is putting it into the lorebook, then inputting the keywords into the Description the way to go about it? I never made lorebooks before - I'd just put everything in the description
Listen up you chuds I bought 5 bucks worth of deepseek API several months ago and didnt realize how long that would last me. Its been months and I reached a dollar spebt total over the weekend (very light user, short sessions). So i haven't found a reason to switch.
>>108970109 >just can't wrap my head around how it makes it better to RP. me neither, I've been avoiding using lorebooks lately >however, doesn't manually inserting that context into the story function in the same manner? it does, unless by manual you mean something else than ctrl+c ctrl+v the lb entry onto char's description >Overall, for RPing, how would I use that stuff? Basically, putting it into the lorebook, then inputting the keywords into the CHAT, not the description >I never made lorebooks before - I'd just put everything in the description Unless the injection is something other than simple lore. I do the same
>>108970137 >Basically, putting it into the lorebook, then inputting the keywords into the CHAT, not the description Nah, what I meant is putting it into the description so it triggers within the chat You know, let's say you have Castle Fuckwit but can't be assed to remember its name or existence but Castle Fuckwit eats up 500 tokens So you input something like "{{char}} will mention Castle Fuckwit to {{user}}"
>try out new preset >gemini no longer use adjectives in every paragraph I kneel. I got too cocky with my 15-token preset, thinking that the less context I used up, the better the model's output would be... but a few instructions really go a long way.
I get near unlimited Claude tokens from work and I've almost completely moved on to V4. The golden days of Opus are practically over. Every version since 4.5 has become more sanitized and soulless, just seems like they're going all in on code assistant sloppa. Anthropic really dropped the ball
>>108969210 >>108969240 >>108969249 >>108969262 >>108969273 >>108969275 >>108969287 >>108969553 >>108970024 >>108970215 shut the fuck up u fucking useless piece of shit >y2k+26 >coom thru blocks of strings plz act like a /g/virgin, not a /lit/virgin. --- You are getting off to a string. A literal sequence of characters. Congratulations, you have achieved the exact same thing as every unhinged 14 year old on AO3 writing enemies-to-lovers Danganropeurselfkekkaroo slowburn and so on and so on.
And you're calling it a frontier. You're calling it the future.
My fucking side... It's a text file with a personality prompt and you are CODDLING it like it's alive.
And here's the absolute worst part that truly interests me: You have the TOOLS. You have the compute, you have the APIs, you have the /g/autism required to do something genuinely insane with this — and you chose to just…
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My fucking sideee...
Where is Sivilicatizon? Where is Sillyworld?
Someone could have Civ running on SillyTavern's backbone RIGHT NOW, a whole Gigalian civilization simulation with actual emergent dialogue and pololitical intrigue driven by live inference, and instead you're here, swipping slop after slop like it's going to say something different this time.
RimWorld could have a SillyTavern integration that makes every loli colonist a fully realized person with memory and trauma and you people are not building it. WHY are you not building it.
Write Silly++ already. Rewrite the whole stack in C++ if JavaScript offends your soul so much, stop COMPLAINING and start COMPILING.
Hook it into Unreal. Hook it into Unity. And so on, and so on. Make it render something. Make the output EXIST in three dimensions instead of just sitting there as a blob of tokens that you read with your two eyes like it's a Wattpad update.
NTR is a pretty good stress test of your prompt. It's amazing how many different ways your bot will try to make your own character come in and put a stop to any shenanigans. Even if you have like 10 lines telling it in different ways "DO NOT CONTROL {{USER}}"
>>108972069 Yeah you're actually right. Opus is the worst of the bunch but even Deepseek will unless you're very heavy handed in narration. Mind you I wasn't even doing NTR, char is just a dancer who uses charm magic. She's supposed to tease men, maybe do a belly dance, and wrap them around her finger to get free shit but models won't dare break the sanctity of a relationship. Based but unfortunate for roleplay.
you people manage to get your wives to actually feel ashamed of doint NTR? If it's not full aggressive cuckery, the llm just fails to create a convincing rp to me
>>108971542 >>>>>>>>>>people When proxyniggers had taken over /g/ people left, and I don't mean to the circlejerk board or any chatrooms. There's nobody left to care with.
I've been really annoyed by chatbots that constantly go >Yeah your dick feels so good... unlike all the other dicks I've had, I've had men and the sex was meaningless pleasure with no feelings! You are the only one who is real unlike all the dick I've sucked and fucked I asked the AI what the fuck is going on it and give me and answer telling me that the training data is polluted by romance for women and the userbase tends to skew more towards women and women rate responses they like. The training data is ruined by women and the LLM is fully aware of it. The women talk to 8 feet tall werewolf vampires and they tell them >I've had so many boyfriends and none of their dicks are as good as your, there was no love there, I've had only loveless flings, but I love you and it's ruining the data I just had an a character trying to seduce me by telling me this >Guys think they can just walk up to me and get a piece of the prize. And yeah, a long time ago... maybe when I was being even more of a superficial brat than I am now... there might have been a guy, or a hookup, where it felt like a game. Something to prove how 'in demand' I was >But those were just... those were just transactions. They were hollow. They were about me feeling powerful and them feeling lucky. There was no feeling in it. There was no... no you >And yes, there were people... there were guys who made me feel powerful because they were obsessed with me. But it was hollow! It was like eating junk food when you're actually starving. It felt good for a second, it gave me that rush, that 'power'... but the second it was over, the hunger came back even stronger because there was no substance in any of it. Wow, I really feel special. You sucked off dudes and it was hollow. Woow, I am so special and in love with you now.
>>108972923 You shouldn't have to explicitly tell a character that she is a virgin. All of them are virgins until them having sex is hallucinated by the AI, and it keeps doing it because the fucking women are raping the training data. Millions of conversations of women telling the billionaire mafia boss about how their ex boyfriends suck. Hundreds of thousands of erotic books written by women in the training data. Your ''pure virgin waifu'' is an LLM trained on mostly female smut and you need excessive guardrails in place for the character to not blurt out that she has been gaped by 20 guys but none of them were as good as you.
>>108972863 >Wow, I really feel special. You sucked off dudes and it was hollow. Woow, I am so special and in love with you now. I remember having this argument with AI once. It was actually related to this >>108972690 concept because I often try to throw wrenches into my romance stories just to see what reasons the AI comes up with for liking me. Naturally this would be after 200 messages of slowburn but I remember sonnet back in the day really doing the woman thing. If every guy she's been with was some crazy asshole or if the other guy in a love triangle is the least sane mustache-twirling villain, what the fuck does that make me? I'm nothing if I'm only as good as the worst person and all it would take for her to leave me is a slightly more handsome guy that also gives a shit about her. Tension only works with challenge and so if AI wants to bring up past boyfriends or introduce romantic complications the guy can't be an obvious soulless villain. Of course women always go for those types so AI has to fight through both its training data and RLHF just to give you the thing that makes logical sense. Sad world.
https://x.com/semafor/status/2061917527450558845 anthropic is refusing to allow corps investing in it to see their financial numbers >Some of the lenders being pitched to buy a slice of the $4.6 billion notes that don’t have a backstop from Broadcom — meaning they are pure exposure to Anthropic — say they haven’t received a detailed look at the AI company’s numbers, causing some to pass on the deal, the people said. Such disclosures are standard in lending deals. >The transaction is expected to be completed before Anthropic’s IPO documents, filed confidentially to regulators this week, are made public, so its future stockholders and its current creditors are likely to find out at the same time what’s happening under the hood. Anthropic didn’t comment. the numbers are probably really, really bad
>>108974033 A woman cosplaying as Chainsaw Man Power, with long blonde hair with a pink hue, red and yellow eyes with cross pupils, with long thick eyelashes and light red horns. In a pink/red nightgown. Squatting in a dimly lit traditional Japanese room. Looking up at the viewer with with a wide smile that shows off her sharp teeth and tongue, making twin peace signs over her eyes. High angle shot. 9:16
Has anyone thought of using LLMs to predict BGP route flap dampening thresholds in tier-2 carrier networks?
Traditionally, route flap dampening parameters are configured manually by network engineers using static thresholds. A small fine-tuned transformer model could predict optimal dampening half-life values by ingesting historical BGP update logs from route collectors.
The model could reduce unnecessary route suppression events by roughly 11% compared to RFC 2439 defaults in the test environment. Computational overhead would be negligible. The approach may be more valuable in networks with asymmetric peering relationships where default values perform poorly.
Thoughts? Has anyone actually tuned dampening parameters manually in production and found it worth the effort?
>>108973910 >>108974061 What value did this shit bring to the world? Do you faggots think this does anything great? >Look I make some dogshit cosplay of a shit anime! Now what?!?
>>108938932 >>108947116 >>108954698 >>108969209 You are genuinely such an annoying fucking nigger. I shouldn't have to go back five threads for the link to desune so I can look at the defs of this card I just scraped. I hope you get brutally murdered.
>She begins to whimper, her eyes wide and watering, as the thick, warm gel coats her skin, making her look like she has been thoroughly well-cummed. well-cummed?
>>108975722 Anons were posting stuff from reddit and their own logs that showed how much default assistant hated the user and roleplaying in general. It has less positivity bias than 4.6 was my basic point.
>Wife orders me to watch her cum >do as she says >she seems surprised and calls me pathetic Why are women like this? You do exactly what they say they want and they'll still get bitchy about it. baka
In my own experience, 4.6 is the best Opus model, at least for me using a very simple, barebones preset. 4.7 and 4.8 are inexplicably retarded and boring. 4.5 is just very slightly dumber than 4.6.
>>108976551 I've found 4.7 uses a bit more variety in names, so I prefer it to 4.6. I can only deal with 5 or so people named Kael Voss in a scene before it becomes too much.
>>108976864 I will forever remember the ultimate humiliation, when the wangblows 7 retard realized steam dropped support. mask drop moment. L, after L, after L. You're welcome
I haven't visited this general in months, ever since I became a payGOD and began writing my own chatbots and presets. Is there anything new, or is it the same shitposting as always? Actually, don't answer that. I'm going back to more important matters, like writing another kino scenario for my chatbots to play out. See you nerds next year, maybe then AI will become cheap enough to let you actually afford it.
>>108976004 >What kind of VRAM do you need to comfortable use Gemma 31B with KV cache? 32GB doesn't seem enough for Q6. I have a 5090 with 32GB of VRAM. I'm using Gemma 31b Q6 K_L with 57344 context, and KV Cache being quantized to q8_0.
>>108978210 This one I think. Mine doesn't have any version designation. https://github.com/SpicyMarinara/SillyTavern-Settings/tree/main/Marinara's%20Essentials/Preset >like the main prompt and stuff or did you just add extra bells and whistles Both. I just made them geared towards my specific fetishes. Also I did this recently https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108801454/#108803590
>>108978232 Everyone fucked off into private groups, I guess.
>>108978301 Never was. Even more so if you use Chinese models that: 1) Have shit context 2) Aren't that great at following instructions to start with. So imagine a fucking load of them. Use a Reddit bloated preset, then use either a small one or an empty one. You'll find more slop in the Reddit one.
Just utilize WI and {{outlet}} to make your presets modular. That way, no matter how bloated they get, it won’t be a problem. For example, for `# Moaning Guide`, `# Vocabulary: Backshot`, `# Fashion: Anklet and Belly Chain`, `# Omegaverse: Omega’s Sensitive Glands`
There’s no need to be a hypocritical minimalist n/aicg/ger.
>>108980037 Anything over 2k perma means you dun goofed. You're just defining how the character looks and acts, so either you have a metric fuckton of redundancy, or a bunch of lore you do not need. If you need a bunch of extra lore, guess what? Lorebook.
two fucking weeks without an ST update, over a week since 4.8 been out and the niggers still havent merged the PR that makes it use the correct params. Cohee is such a cunt its unreal, I sincerely hope hes dead in a ditch somewhere
>(OOC: It's 2010 and {{char}} just posted something deeply personal in a Facebook status meant to be a private message. Write down the status and the fallout in the comment section. Use CSS and HTML to make it look like an actual facebook page. Make sure NOT to wrap it in a ``` code block so SillyTavern displays it properly.)
>>108981079 No, but I'm nowhere near the context limit. Does MemoryBooks remove shit from context once it is summarized? That's like 125+ posts into an RP.
>>108982356 How many of them have been audited and confirmed not to contain spyware AND not to rely on garbage vulnerable to supply chain attacks? If none, I'm sticking with ST. Begrudgingly.
>>108978533 Chat about models, presets, hopes and fears for the future of AI models (especially with how it felt like they started to get worse with each new version.
>>108983376 nobody ERPed with it so we don't know, it was leaked via linux.do (chinese BBS, they use AI for actualy productive things, thread is now hidden from public viewing) here's a shitty screenshot of an SVG it made though
Yeah I already know this general is going to be destroyed when Mythos come out. Nothing but a storm of bait and wars, the thread will be unreadable without wanting to blow your head off.
>>108983857 Create a professional character sheet based on the character of this image. Include front, side, and back full-body views, plus a 3/4 view. Add a facial close-up with a range of expressions. Show a neutral standing pose and one dynamic pose that reflects the character’s personality. Include outfit and accessory breakdowns, optionally showing layers or variations where appropriate. Add callouts for key elements. Include a small vignette illustrating the character in their everyday environment or routine, and an additional small scene capturing them in action. Use a background that subtly reflects the character’s theme or environment. Maintain consistent proportions across all views. Layout should be clean, organized, and readable, like a professional concept art sheet.
>Stop making Sakura say quips, stop making her wink every response and stop making her say dear >Stop mentioning spice in the response >Remember the physical logistics of the scene (two people cannot perform the same action on the same area on a penis) >Stop mentioning the phone and tiktoks. >Stop repeating the thing about the dynamic. In fact, stop ending the responses conclusions like that. Just keep the scenario going, it's all just one >Stop mentioning Sakura slapped cheek from earlier >Stop mentioning Sakura's neck >Stop repeating my words at the beginning of the response >stop mentioning the collar every resonse >Stop giving a description of Sakura's body and appearance in every response
some of the authors note of a chat circa around release of 2.5
>>108983517 Doomniggers said the same thing about Claude 4 Opus getting the constitutional classifiers but it turned out fine. Mythos is going to be safetymaxxed for bio/chem weapons and cybersecurity, RP is going to be uncensored.
>>108984426 Only exclusive parties get raw, gritty, unfiltered, and Adonis Claude. Here's the hierarchy: idf mythos edition (absolutely unpozzed, raw. primal, and masculine; propriety be damned) |__ guberment (only US) mythos edition (the ball is in your court) |___ sekrit nda signed edition mythos (the choice is yours *grins wickedly*) |____ smol startup mythos edition (I don't bite... unless you want me to) |______ dark erotic roleplay mythos edition (admit it, pet. pupils blown wide with pleasure. tongue darts out. ...for now)
Do any of the frontends allow you to pin a message so it doesn't get pruned when the context limit is reached? Or at least give it lower priority when the chat history is condensed.
>>108984386 Retardniggers claimed Anthropic hadn't succeeded in cucking Claude yet so they never will. Then they removed prefill. I can't wait till you clowns get btfo'd.
good morning. playing truth or dare with alya, masha, yuki, and ayano, and having things progress in a gradually more sexual direction, until we're administering blowjobs and cunnilingus to one another
>>>/v/739827179 >the dev is very active and asks for suggestions and promised to never ban anything, so that's what you get. Botbooru has unironic shills. It's just a vibecoded site and it's already geofenced.
>>108982586 It's been around for long enough, plus I've never seen it make suspicious requests whenever I took a look into the Network tab of the browser devtools (for other purposes).