>>7927099
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7927101
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to [email protected], however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7927102
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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I can make one or two pages but I don't have the time and energy to make a full fledged chapter let alone a full fledged title. Just random separated pages. I already have characters and world building fleshed out and even had its own bible. Just no time and energy to pour it all in manga chapters. Just sporadic pages and panels episodes.

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Dekita..! The first chapter of Vedanomicon. I hope some of you like it. I'd be grateful for any critique or advice

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RT6wg6FHUn4tcobHKehd5hC83cl-ckdx/view?usp=sharing

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Made a model sheet while I procrastinate on actually making the next page

Anyone have experience with Viz?

>>7927162
Good lookin'

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I've been talking with friends about my writing process and getting feedback on the direction I'm going. These conversations tend to spark some kind of desire to write for them. They always say they wish they could be "trying this hard." I'm not doing anything radical, or difficult. I try to encourage them to start, or to pick up where they left off. but they really struggle to do so. Even friends who I consider more well read than me. Some of them have projects they've been conceptualizing since I started my comic 8 years ago. I wish I knew what to say, or how to help motivate them into really getting a project going.

>>7927153
can feel the tism glowing from this image

You could also just do an episodic series that doesn't beg you to commit.

>>7927196
Yes but only reading manga localized by them

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>>7927158
I can't go through the whole thing critiquing every panel and page, but I can say that you'd profit from more smaller panels. Take the very first page - it's supposed to be showing our protagonist (I assume) falling off of a really high height, but because of how the two panels are drawn, it shows the before and the after of them slipping off the building, but not the DURING. A small panel of their body sliding or a body part reaching out would be a big help. Also obligatory comment about the rough art - the lines are messy and while that can add to the aesthetic, sometimes it's hard to tell what's what, especially when it's specific, oddly shaped, small objects.

Very cool aesthetics, however. Reminds me of Hylics and the art of Serotines.

>>7927253
Also I read properly to the end, and it seems like you really picked up on the panel trickery by the end, especially with that section with The Inexplicable Bug. Aeu. Aue. John Madden.

>>7927153
This is the "games have to be easier and shorter because I have responsibilities and can't play more than an hour or two" of art. You could always "make one or two pages" at a time for a full chapter.

>>7927253
>>7927257
Thanks a lot..! Paneling and roughness balance have been troubling me throughout the whole thing, I’ll keep trying to figure them out

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>>7927220
This isnt to sound doomerish but you cant really "help" people with that kind of problem. Art is a process of discovery and some people will always fear taking that jump, but its almost always something that they need to get over on their own. Making a story almost always involve failures that the reader will never see in a final product(hopefully anyway) but to the person making it, it can be tiresome and not worth the effort in the moment. Like I myself was one of those fags who was like "I'm waiting to be good at art before I make my shit" but then by coincidence one of my college projects was to make a fake comic page, so I got pushed to make a fake manga page and thats what got me over the edge to actually start doing a real one.
Now technically there ARE things that YOU could do to get them over the edge and make it some sort of collaborative effort, but if they dont want the help then what more can you do? You can tell someone all the "right" answers on how to do this shit but some people need to figure out those answers on their own to "get it". Bringing a horse to water and all that.

>>7927279
Sometimes people have limiting beliefs like "I need a fully realized plot outline before I can start working on the actual comic" or "I'm not good enough to make picture books about beefy men flying and punching because I can't write like the Brontë sisters" where it would take only 5 minutes of reflection for them to realize how stupid it is.
But it's impossible to say what exactly these people's hangup is without talking to them.

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>>7927162
procrastinating using your procrastination

not baiting, genuinely curios: are any of you doing alright audience-wise? (porn doesn't count)

>>7927315
I think it certainly does, people will stop reading things for the dumbest reasons.

I've got a decent chunk of returning readers always popping in around upload day is all that I need to know that people love it, so things are okay. Story will be getting into the more "disagreeable" content in about a year or two so we'll see how that goes since i've already had someone ooze into my comment section to be nasty about it. Ngl it's probably going to be hell.

>>7927315
I speculate that I have 3-10 passionate readers out of 100-200 who eyeball the thing every so often. I think I lose more readers to death than any other reason.

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>>7927315
Outside of this board I think only 5 people know my comic exists. No one to blame but myself on that though I know part of the game is shilling my stuff

>>7927329
character death, right? right?

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>>7927315
I have a couple dedicated readers, and a couple patrons paying to read ahead. my best update days get me good views, and my recent pages have been attracting readers to read everything. I wish I had more comments so I knew what readers were feeling during more than just the big moments. sometimes it feels like the readers are indifferent to whatever writing choices I make.

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Fact: Your first manga will always be a little shitty no matter what you do

>>7927367
Not true, all I have to do is grind fundies for 10 more years then I can instantly and perfectly produce my dream manga and make a million dollars

>>7927337
I want have passionate sex with the one in the middle.

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>>7927315
Oi got ok views and had a small loyal audience. Cosmic Crush is pretty dead in the water, but I can't blame people because it's so long between updates. I'm atleast going to finish this first chapter I have penciled and then decide whether to continue or switch to drawing something new. Other ideas I have for an all ages soccer manga or a historic fantasy adventure set in Phoenicia and Byzantium that takes place in the same world as Oi.

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Has Alice-anon been here lately?
I wonder how far has his pre-serialization progressed?

>>7927472
cosmic crunch looks like it could explode on tiktok.

>>7927495
t. retard

>>7927162
I mean this in the best way possible, your style looks Andrew Dobson's if he'd ever given a shit about improving. I enjoy it a lot.

>>7927504
no meme arrow so you signed your post

>>7927504
I'm not making fun of it, I'm saying it has appeal and it could become popular in the future so its not completely dead forever. And I realized I wrote crunch instead of crush haha because I'm currently eating.

>>7927507
terminally online too

>>7927510
It couldn't appeal to anybody, hence why it's dead

>>7927515
oh you're a schizo. carry on

>>7927516
I have eyes

>>7927472
If it's any consolation, *I* exclusively read Cosmic Crush among all of your works
Gomenosorry anon

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>>7927495
I posted some videos on tiktok that got 2k views. Not really explosion numbers, but also I don't understand how to make good promo videos.
>>7927519
Thank you fren

>>7927472
>>7927523
It would be best to cut your losses and move on to a better project since this one was a dud.
>>7927495
This anon >>7927515 is right. You're completely out of touch if you think zoomers will just read any slop you shovel onto them.

>>7927523
you gotta pretend to be a zoomer girl duh

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>>7927524
Eh I have the pages penciled so might as well finish chapter 1 as inking practice and so it's a complete one shot. People everywhere keep telling me it has appeal and they like the characters and concept but obviously it isn't connecting. I'll finish these pages while deciding what I want to draw next.

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>>7927158
easy to follow coherently in a incoherent world. props for that.
my thoughts in order as i see them:

page 3-4 little fella falling, then what goes into a black and white sequence, as it stands now it looks like these are unfinished pages. you need a b/w panel next to a coloured panel to tell us its a intentional, and with the b/w you should push your blacks more, as it looks now it looks crazy over exposed. which doesnt seem to line up with page 6's vibe

page 8, i think i'd like a whole panel of the weird face phone alone, its alien to us, but obviously not to gnome, i dont think i need his reaction, especially considering he immediently picks up the reciever, same with page 3, maybe panel 1/2 can be condensed, single shot of device "ive come to etc..etc." said off screen, phones response is what is important at this point. then you can swap focus to gnome when he says his iconic™ line: i am gnome. it gives it more gravity.

page 12 reads as sterile, like seeing an accountant, if this is intentional cool. if we are meant to feel something push the blob guys panels to make him seem more imposing, the gnome is very small comparatively. you do it page 14 panel 2, i dont see why ever shot of him cant be massive.

page 17 panel 1, could read better, blobs pose is kinda stilted, and the gnome could be more exaggerated, too far of to the left, rule of 3rds etc.

every time gnome like grazes him i dont really read it as that, i only know from the panels following. also i i'd like the laser to have more white in it (this is probably just me) but i picture the lightsaber effect, you could even push the dynamic lighting of it.

page 18, i want a long shot of the lazer curving behind him as he stands in front of it.

page 20-21. i get the idea, its like the cool samurai, death after impact moment. but i still dont understand what happened to him, as shown the laser very clearly misses.

page 21-22, does killing man open the butt portal? or is that just now-

>>7927526
Yeh probably having a v-tuber penny making conspiracy videos to promote the comic could be good to get more eyes on ot, but I don't really want to spend my time doing that.

>>7927511
>using "terminally online" to dismiss an appraisal of a social media receptiveness to something
holy retard

>>7927367
More like your first 5 or 10 manga, really. Even fucking Toriyama had flop after flop when he was starting out.

>>7927158
>>7927532
>part 2

his next destination to go to, if yes it does open portal, i want a more obvious transformation of dead bloody corpse turning into portal, if no, i want context of where this portal came from.

i can't tell if gnome is calling gun junk or the thing he just exploded junk. its also reading weird he ever 'holstered' the gun. i read it as him tossing it. but he has it later, he summons it or whatever, seems like he tosses it to just pick it up 5 pages later.

page 23, is it falling on him, i need a panel of him maybe him being small on the horizon and the big thing plummeting

as i said before is page 24 a scene change?

my eyes glaze over alittle in the following part, obviously we the viewer aren't meant to have context yet, and you get very surreal, my only comment is. with such otherworldly concepts i think you really REALLY need to push the absurdity.

31- does the gnome travel far to find the bug girl? all the headless things are point at him, as far as the horizon goes, but when he meets her, they are facing her. maybe an extreme long shot with these things as far as the eye can see, and him traveling through it, as he notices the clues.

back to us without context:
34- i dont know why he spares the bug, but i think there should be more emphasis on her lil sympathetic eyes, the story should slow here. just for a page or two, it feels like it wants to be more climactic not just a corner panel.
he tosses the gun again, if he had it the whole time it would be more impactful when he discards it here.

35- he obviously realises or discovers something. even if we dont get to know why yet, i want there to be a clue, as it reads now he is kinda just an agent of chaos meandering through the weird world, could he say something that can hook us to why his business is only NOW over?

37- panel 4 and 5 (the bug girl) could be compressed. it reads alittle disjointed because of the layout, it seems to sequential.

Promoting a comic or manga is easy, just pull up your bootstraps and go to every person who you want to read your work and give them a firm handshake

>>7927158
>>7927552

ending is fine,

my final thoughts

its like eyerapingly colourful, my issue is so much detail is lost in just blobs of incoherent colour, it also struggles from looking like it was painted in microsoft paint,
you are depicting a real radically alien world then what we know, i'd love to see some more media or thought put into that. i want it to read as REALLY uncanny, so many times do i wish i saw like a hyper rendered 3d environment or claymation looking blob,
its really glossy, it lacks texture in rendering. everything is hard brush(low opacity) or airbrushed, it makes it look unfinished what should be uncanny reads as unappealing.
i think the lighting is the big issue in this, it really flat, really sterile and even lit, where shadows are used they are just blurry blobs,

i want some some definition, i want to know where something starts and where something ends.

-knight/chef sex guy

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Making manga panels to pour my tism

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>> 7926038
cont.

the girl aint right. (bitches doth be crazy)

>>7927097
look at your pages, and blur your eyes, thats what is taking focus, background trees and the guys hair. i get its gonna be coloured but the big black blobs are so consuming.

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done with these

>>7927472
good luck on making a comeback

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>>7927607
Yeah thats true, I'll tone it down with the guys hair, and I'll try and find a way to draw the trees better. I'll try and find a middle ground between completely black trees, and detailed ones, cause I dont wanna keep having to put all this details into the trees, but I also dont want them to draw eyes into them. I spent awhile before in the scene in picrel drawing trees

>>7927666
please fix the shading on her back leg in the bottom left panel she looks like she has a massive cock yes I'm a faggot

>>7927700
she?

>>7927701
also yeah ive been going through some of the inks as ive been coloring so ill redo that a bit

>>7927701
>she
my bad

>>7927709
nah just kidding she a girl

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>>7927703
some ideas for readability in the future

>>7927744
Looks awesome, ill use this as a ref for my next pages, especially the trees

>>7927570
That girl in the side view is pretty cute. Where can I follow you?

>>7927309
woaah this is soo good looking, I haven't gotten fanart before, thanks so much!

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>>7927505
Ironically this is not far from the truth

The typical 2000's webcomic look is a style born from people who liked anime of the 80's and 90's. The big poofy hair, the vibrant colours, the wacky expressions. And so they copied it. I'm copying it too... but I'm very well aware of how bad these comics look. At best you can say they have soul, but you can never place them even remotely on the same level as what they're inspired by.

I think alot of is down to a few things.
Their colours are TOO vibrant, it's garish.
Their compositions are very sitcom etc, not cinematic.
Their lines are too lazy, they'll do things like drawing an arm that's going off screen but the lineweight will be such that it's clear they only drew it up to the border of the page, and not actually going off screen.

I want to, if possible, avoid looking like an 2000s webcomic and look more like the 80's/90's anime that inspired it

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>>7927769
cont
I think the biggest thing is the webcomic tendency to treat the art as symbols rather than something real.
Where the characters details have become soo formalised that you can hardly draw them from another angle or with different lighting. Line A to Line B, and so on.
This goes along with the sitcom esque compositions, they'll always be drawn from the same viewing angle.
This is maybe fine for a comedic or political webcomic... but what it really lacks is a sense of realism.
In the anime that inspired alot of this style, despite their extreme stylistic details like giant spiky hair and pointy noises, they always maintain a sense of realism. That pointy nose has dimension to it. That spiky hair is real hair, it blows in the wind, it gets wet, etc.
And then the lighting and shot composition is always cinematic. There's hardly a colour palette for the characters, they'll be a different colour in every scene as the lighting dictates.

I think the key to success for me, with this style, is to embrace the same love for 80's/90's anime.... but just do it properly.

>>7927472
I disagree with the other anons, I think Cosmic Crush has the potential to be very popular amongst women of that sort of tumblr type crowd.

You say it's dead in the water, but how can you even judge it? There isn't a single chapter made yet. It's not dead, it hasn't even been born yet.
You can consider it dead in the water after you've made like 10 chapters and have no views. But I don't think that will happen, I think it would be a hit.

>>7927472
cant you try and get it published as well as being online? That'd boost the populariity, even if the book doesnt sell well, the fact its published somewhere means something.

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>>7927782
look at some of the stuff that gets published, you def could

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>>7927783

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Since this is the first page of the new chapter, I tried to put extra effort into it.
One of my goals for this chapter is to make it interesting to someone who doesn't know who any of the characters are, so this chapter can feel like the start of a volume.

>>7927760
ranggajati_ on X. But I rarely post manga panels so don't get your expectations high.

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I've made a fair bit of bonus art and some pages to flesh out certain parts more.
I'll post the version I'm going to submit to the contest tonight, since the deadline is looming.
After that I intend on doing deeper fixes and giving this thing the ending I actually wanted.

>>7927825
That loos interesting. I lie the style of the character on the left. ind of reminds me of oldschool anime like Galaxy Express or something.

>>7927863
Huh, you already follow me.

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>>7927909
based

>>7927909
I already followed you? I wouldn't ask who you are but hello there

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As an artist, how much of a say should I have on the story compared to the writer? Should I let him take all the creative decisions?

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shit i left some german in my english translation when i posted it on instagram

>>7927946
You should be as close with your writer as humanely possible.
You're not doing two separate jobs here, you're both making a single work. There is writing to be told through art, and there is art to be shown through writing.

When making the plan for a chapter, you should both be making it together at the same time, either in a discord call or in person, going back and forth about how to produce it.

If the relationship is just "here's the story, get back to me next week with it drawn" you'll forever be at a disadvantage compared to people who either write and draw it themselves, and people who work together as a tight team.

>>7927946
>>7927956
Also it should go without saying that since you're both making the comic, then your opinions hold as much weight as your partner's.
If one of you is saying "don't tell me how to write" or "don't tell me how to draw", Or you're drawing it but you don't really like the story, or the writer doesn't really like the art... this is a disaster, you won't make it.
You need to be on the same wavelength. What you make needs to be something that you both think is the best possible thing.

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>>7927560
>>7927552
>>7927532
ooh thank you that was very insightful. I'll take notes and see what I can do in the next chapters. Cool gnome! I'll treasure it

>>7927946
Ideally a lot, but writers think their ideas are finished, that's why their seeking an artist. They think artists are like construction workers building their project to code. How dare you think you have a better idea than then? If its not his idea then what do you need him for?

They'll tell you what to change in your drawings to fit THEIR vision. Yes I'm overhating.

>>7927777
I have to follow the quads of truth. I've thought of cutting my losses and quitting this project alot but people online and irl tell me to continue so I keep going. Oi took awhile to develop a fanbase too. I like what I have planned for the story going forward but atleast I know I need to finish the first chapter/oneshot. Even if it goes nowhere, I'll have something finished to show people and it's good practice and experience to improve my skills for future projects. Thanks for the encouragement.
>>7927642
Thank you, I'm just happy to get new pages out after a long time making nothing and hope to continue the momentum.
>>7927782
I've only had bad experience working with publishers early in my career which is why I only self publish and sell my books on Amazon and at cons now. I could try to work with an indie publisher but those pay nothing. Pragmaticly i don't think my work is good enough yet + I don't have the connections to get published by a company that does pay like Scholastic or First second, plus being a straight white male editors at these companies publicly state they don't want to publish work of people of my demographics.

My main sellers are my 3 eyed cat comics like Purrvana and a Song of Mice and Fur. They're evergreen sellers and appeal to every demographic- the audience is people who like cats-bikers, tumblerinas, zoomers, stoners, art schoolers, gen alpha, menial reddit types and moms and grandmas all like and buy them. I'd probably have more success if I only drew funny animal comics.

>>7927984
Penny Perez's design is basically an amalgam of the type of girl who buys my cat comics at conventions. 10+ years this type of girl with colored hair, weird baggy clothes and cat lady stoner/acid head lifestyles are my best customers. Fashion keeps changing through the years but these type of girls always show up to my table and keep buying cat comics. My friend who helps out at my table at shows realized early on that simply asking "do you like cats?" to girls with dyed hair and handing them a copy of Purrvana lead to an 80% chance of them buying a comic or print. Thank you rainbow haired stoner catlady girls for keeping me in business all these years.

Oi usually sells poorly at comic cons but outsells the cat books at anime cons.

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>>7927987
*forgot to post pic

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got this done tonight. hatching probably isnt the best so ill go over that more tomorrow. ive been putting of studying too much probably

>>7927984
>menial reddit types
*meant to say Millenial reddit types-

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>>7927987
I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever get around to conventions. always alot of interesting people walking around.

Also shame about the publishers, I've heard alot of negative stuff about the publishing world, and them abusing their talent. Funny how this straight white male stuff works too. Managements still mainly straight white men, but all the new hires are ethnics as they have to fill out quotats (usually legally, or in order to secure gov contracts). Older white guys shut the door on us, they get to keep their jobs, and we get left out in the cold.

Anyway, maybe see if you have success in sexy animal comics instead

>>7927994
The majority of editors at UK and US publishers are middle aged white women now. Marvel and DC still have mostly old straight white man editors.

>>7927987
what are your experiences with printing a comic? what site did you use?

>>7928009
I use Mixam (highest quality for small print runs, great customer support), printed in Taiwan for a large hardcover print run of Purrvana after softcover copies sold so well (actual books cost 5 cents each, customs, broker and shipping fees were insane) and Amazon printing (lowest quality but customers don't seem to care, hardcover are expensive but surprisinglt decent quality).

>>7928014
I have to add with Amazon what I like about it is the black and white printing and paper quality most closely mirrors tankobon. Mixam is too nice when it comes to high quality paper and print quality if you want your finished book to look and feel like a tankobon. Mixam is better for high quality color printing. Amazon is cheapest but you have to upload it on the Amazon kdp program which is extremely annoying and finnicky, especially if you don't have any experience with print design.

>>7928014
>>7928016
thanks for the info

>>7927766
yw, Satan
I wanted something to warm up and felt like the character would be fun to draw, it was

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Finally got off my ass and finished the next chapter. It's up at www.readpristine.com if interested.
I've also been slowly working on an idea for a shorter chapter, unrelated to this main story, to get some more trad mileage going. Hope to do it all trad eventually, with the exception of screen tones.

>>7928053
I enjoy reading Pristine, anon. Good fourth chapter.

>>7927783
>>7927784
Sovl

>>7927946
Depends on how collaborative the process is supposed to be. How much of a say do you think the writer should have on your art? If it's the writer's project and you're the hired help then I wouldn't stray any farther than suggesting potentially more fitting ideas for how the picture conveys the writing, when needed. If it's a joint effort then you should both be treating it as one project done by one unit instead of just "I do the writing, you do the drawing." I don't like having to draw as part of a team if I'm not a fan of the writing which is why I've learned enough to do my own writing, so if that's not the route you want to take then good luck.

>>7927759
Glad you like, my main issue was the readability of the panels, used the black to direct the eyes to the important features, there's a lot of detail everywhere so the focus gets lost. In the future it may help with saving your stamina to block in the ink in first and then start adding hatching once you're satisfied with the solids.

>>7927784
>>7927783
Majority of published works in Western countries don't sell more than a dozen copies. Those publishers survive on a handful of big hits that subsidize literally tens of thousands of others (plus many govt. grants). Getting printed is cheap and not a measure of success

You really think people are out there paying money for your picrel?

>>7927784
Has promise
>>7927783
Doesn't know how humans gesture or speak

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>>7927607
they have to fuck soon. but ive just had her have a severe panic attack, and he is a pious dude, there is no realistic world in which they now have sex.

i've really ensured that no sex will happen in my porn comic. if they dont fuck i've failed at the literal only hurdle to step over, if they do fuck the writing feels like it takes a nosedive.

>>7927783
>>7927784
I dont have enough ugly or black people in my comic

>>7928320
Did you not go in with a plan on how they're going to fuck? My dude you had such an easy ramp with him cutting down those dudes in front of her. It was as easy as
>I've protected your honor my lady!
>Thank you sir knight, and now for your reward *fondles crotch*
Porn storytelling isn't too difficult, given people are willing to accept somewhat unrealistic progression for the sake of just getting to it already, but it does demand at least some level of forethought...
But also, just what exactly is the core fantasy of the sexual encounter you're planning here? Is it supposed to be the power fantasy knight in shining armor saving the princess and being rewarded with sex? Genuinely asking.

>>7928305
>You really think people are out there paying money for your picrel?
Not that anon, but I always wonder how these people get these kinds of books out in bookstores. The publisher has to know this crap isn't gonna sell, yet it's available for purchase via store distribution.

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>>7928328
yes of course.
the base plot is damsel in distress, fucks knight.

but i wanted to avoid the trope of near sexual assault/trauma girl feels 'empty' then fucks the guy that saves her.

So i started developing their character more so they had a better chemistry and kinda tapped into a shared ptsd/trauma bond angle, and to establish that the porn got pushed back further and further. now we are at the point that i feel like the tension is its highest and they SHOULD fuck, and the characters are giving me no indication they should.

>just what exactly is the core fantasy of the sexual encounter

woman in time where women are kept submissive, being modern day slutty submissive, cant fix herself so wants to fix ptsd old knight.

i'll work through it, im just whinging.

>>7928320
I was about to say that. At this point it seems a bit seedy to have sex with a woman that traumatised.

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>>7928320
>>7928343
My brother in Christ just do what comes naturally man. If your instinct was to do something more dramatic and serious just go with it. Something that started out as being a hentai but actually developing into something more happens all the time, hell theres plenty of stories like that from japan all the time. Like off the top of my head I think of this anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqibQSTVEY
And off the top of my head Dont Tease Me Nagataro was just a hentai premise but turned into high school romance crap.
Dont fight what you got going cause you intended for something else originally, just go with the flow cause any solution to jam in your original intention will just come off as awkward.
Plus, there are solutions, the most obvious one(which will now require more work that you werent planning Im aware) is an epilogue. Wrap up however you see fit, and revisit these characters in another time and place. Like there are actual manga artists out their after they wrap up their stories they go on and make "official" hentai after everything is wrapped up.

>>7928320
Do a timeskip after he finishes rescuing her, just have it be implied he checked up on her and now that time has passed she's ready now.

>>7928343
>but i wanted to avoid the trope of near sexual assault/trauma girl feels 'empty' then fucks the guy that saves her.
The issue here is that you still went with all the setup for this angle anyway, but didn't actually use it. So now it reads like it isn't supposed to be porn because we got to the part where the porn happens, but no porn happened.
Now that you've established that they aren't going to fuck just like that, you need a new ramp into a porn scene. You could use a mental breakdown as a ramp into a porn scene (she's not thinking straight/acting against her better judgement) but there's three issues with that:
1. getting fucked by a hot crazy chick is a different fantasy from the white knight fantasy
2. you've depicted it too seriously to the point where it would read more like a dark and gritty rape scene rather than fap material
and 3. the knight guy has been established to not be the type to go along with this anyway.
You've written yourself into a corner. This is what planning is for, to avoid writing yourself into corners like this.

>>7928349
Nta but I can't into making sex scenes unless there's decent contextual build up, if it's just skipping ahead too far from the initial story told then it feels too pointless and detached.

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Still refining this bullshit. Previous iteration had no limitations or costs for the powers. I boasted a lot about matching themes with the system but the previous versions had no duality to it. There was no line between what the heroes and villains were doing when that's supposed to be important for my story.

>>7928338
Nepotism, 9 times out of 10. They're somebody rich person's niece, daughter in law, stepdaughter, etc who wants to be a writer instead of getting a real job. For bigger things that actually get pushed / marketed, it's almost always a propaganda project out of Langley or Patterson or something.
That's true of pretty much the entire entertainment industry in the West, less so in Japan because they don't get the same amount of tax subsidies to be able to tell customers to fuck off (yet).

Question, can stuff published through patreon or fanbox be licensed by publishers? I know free webcomics can be but what if it was paywalled or partly so?

>>7928363
Depends on the publisher. But generally speaking, to my knowledge, the very most basic thing a publisher is looking for is exclusive distribution rights. That is to say, they don't want to be competing with anybody to sell the same book, including the author themselves.

>>7927642
really nice layouts and art. Your double page spreads are sometimes a little hard to read at this size when you update mmg

>>7928338
first world countries have subsidaries and programs that help people publish things to enrich libraries and bookstores, even the crap stuff because I guess theres always some value in stories, even mid ones.

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Two panels comics are tricky to pull in term of getting the story connects

>>7928360
Oh no, I get that(in concept anyway have never drawn smut) but thats why I said its gonna be extra work. Granted the situation would require pages on reflection and introspection rather then an actual plot progressing, but yeah it would be another chapters worth of work

>>7928338
>The publisher has to know this crap isn't gonna sell
I dare say they know better than you what sells and what doesn't.
When you look into different industries and get the actual data on what people pay for, it's always disappointing.

>>7928058
I'm not Pristine anon, but this is what I mean when I say it seems odd that people don't seem to read or leave comments on other anons' completed work (in terms of a full chapter being made and published) anymore.

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fan art porn thing I'm doing super super slowly

>>7928053
>I've also been slowly working on an idea for a shorter chapter, unrelated to this main story
Honestly I felt like the chapter you posted here could have been 2, 20 page chapters instead of 1, 40 page chapter. I wish there was more black fill to shade the tones too. sometimes the tones in the hair can be a bit flat. this is just personal preference though.

besides nitpicks. Pristine is probably my favorite thing from /mmg/ next to quickdraw. I like how you handle far away background elements. It's crazy how at a glace the objects that are only hatched in feel so solid and complete. the second half of the chapter felt really dramatic and interesting


>>7928709
I was caught up to ch3, I just hadn't read 4 til this morning. I tend to not have much to say on others work.

>>7928750
very cool

>>7928709
I chalk it up to most internet users now being the "I want TV" crowd, they're habituated to scrolling and being given things to look at as opposed to seeking it out or engaging with it.

I think I do have a lot to say and I don't see how you couldn't. The story aspect feels good and is nailed down tight. He's got the sauce, and there's no understating how important that is because it made for a good first chapter, but there's things about it that need more time in the oven. If I had to name a problem it would be that chapter two starts to feel smothering, and if I had to think of a reason for this it might be caused by being overly generous with telling the reader everything about these monsters out of the gate.
It needs more candy trails?

>>7928709
I read when I can but I never remember to say anything since I usually read when I find the time on a random day and I have enough mental energy to absorb a story.

>>7928709
>I say it seems odd that people don't seem to read or leave comments on other anons' completed work
Most people don't engage with the fandoms of the things they enjoy. Especially after a certain age

>>7928320
Honestly get rid of the "He doesnt see me, im alone" line and just make the God doesnt see me part the sole dialogue/much bigger. That line has so much impact that you're kind of watering down by adding more stuff

>>7928435
You seem to be doing well with it thougheverbeit

>>7928750
Been noticing a lot of hag worship these days

>>7928709
I don't have it in me to read anything more than what gets posted in these threads but I appreciate that some anons bother to go through everything another anon posts

>>7928750
>>7928885
>hag worship
Ok. What's the cook on this? I'm infinitely curious

>>7928058
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm just happy I finally got to put a bow on this chapter and can call it done

>>7928709
I'm realizing that I'm not much better myself. I'll try to leave more comments whenever I feel like I have something to add when people post updates

>>7928750
Thanks! I'm always experimenting a bit with how to draw backgrounds. It's always a question of drawing just enough details so it reads well at a glance. Saves a bunch of time too. For me the tricky part tends to be knowing when to stop and where to leave open space on the page to give the eyes some rest

>>7928776
Thank you for reading. In hindsight I absolutely agree when it comes to chapter 2. It ended up dumping a lot of information on the viewer, stuff that would have been better off shown as the story progresses. I'll chalk it up to the fact that I'm very much an amateur when it comes to writing, so I'm bound to walk into some traps there. I hope to keep improving my storytelling over the coming chapters tho

>>7928944
One thing with the writing and info dumping is you don't always need the reader to understand exactly what is going on as soon as it happens, if it's understood well enough in the context of the moment from effects and reactions then you can save the details for later so as not to clutter a moment with exposition. I had to learn this with my own opening chapters too, there's not enough room to introduce everything at once so I've been dripfeeding it through actions and conversations as I go along, I think it works well enough so long as later explanations are consistent with what was seen and the story/character interactions have been enjoyable enough that potential readers don't mind being a bit out of the loop for a while.

>>7928320


>>7928859
aye aye captain

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>>7928982
retard

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>>7928944
>>7928053

no complaints, except some of the writing/dialogue

the character seem to have a tendency to repeat the same thing a few times. "it'd be in your best interest if-" stood out to me the most. we can establish the vibe "dont fuck with us" in the opening confrontation.

a good example is pages 204-206

protagonist has drawn the full attention of villian, he throws axe to sidekick, implying "he needs to sort this out first, you do the chore of dealing with girl on stump" he then says "as for you" as if his attention was elsewhere and now hes returning back to his second most important task. but we just established that the villian is fully occupied with protagonist last page.

"you little shit!"
throws axe (cool opportunity to trick viewer into thinking it was at a hero, then bait switch into comical panel of it being at his pal)
"finish the job"
towers over protagonist.
"i have to deal with this" (but i honestly think nothing needs be said, its implied in the paneling.)

It also feels overly wordy and abit clunky, you are showing enough you can lose some of the tell. Characters starting or finishing sentences with; 'besides' or 'but' when they aren't part of run on sentences.

and just watch your grammar in places, some stick out real bad.

> "Then why is someone calling for help?"
> "What, so you're just gonna (going to) leave her here?"
> "Besides, its not like she'll be going very far in that condition."

obviously none of this needs actioning, just stuff to consider in the future.

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>>7928944
>For me the tricky part tends to be knowing when to stop and where to leave open space on the page to give the eyes some rest
same.

>>7928885
girls like ms dorothy who canonically get treated as ugly interest me. they deserve attention too.

>>7928915
I dont understand the question.

>>7929120
I don't want to take up an image slot but just imagine Yami pounding the ground saying "it should have been me"

>>7928053
I can't wait to masturbate to the next chapter.

>>7929120
I guess what I'm trying to ask is, "What is the appeal of this fetish?"
Nothing wrong with it ofc, I'm just curious what it is you get out of it. Is the appeal Ms. Dorothy specifically, or is the guys?

>>7929120
PAWG
>>7929145
Do you just not get how fetishes work? Share some of yours so I can help you gain insight into how the phenomenon works in general.

>>7929163
not him, but its mainly childhood experiences that make you into different stuff isn't it?

I sorta wonder how much you should be creating stuff with fetishes in them, cause repeatedly making something could make you more and more into it.

Like my comic, I'm going back and forth between adding a kink of mine into it (not saying fetish cause im not obsessed with it), adding it would actually make sense for the story, but I dont wanna make it be seen as goonery, or continually draw it, and then become more into it

>>7929145
I trend toward drawing women who are touch starved or want attention and milf characters tend to fit that. fat unconfident women aswell.
can't really explain liking larger women on it's own, i just like them bigger.

>>7929173
based

>>7929172
>>7929173
it's just something you particularly like sexually
sure, weirder ones might have external causes going back to some childhood experience, but all he's expressing here is a preference for chubby adult women. this isn't even a fetish, it's just a standard preference. shit man, it's more natural than liking skinny chicks, for millenia fat chicks were a sign of great wealth and excess, it shouldn't surprise you at all that some dudes find that attractive.

>>7929173
It would make sense you developed this fetish if your own mom is fat and unconfident-no offense.

>>7929175
true, i mean i get the feeling people are gonna notice eventually that my comics all have giantess in them but idc

>>7929172
Not specifically childhood but based on things that left a strong and/or subconscious impression on you in one way or another.

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Currently finishing up the rest of chapter 4 for my webcomic but would love any feedback anyone may have

>>7929176
>hey your mom is a fat loser KEK
Holy based

>>7929176
You wanna fuck your own mom or something?

>>7929246
You forgot to shill your link.

>>7929262
you're absolutely right my bad
>>7929246
https://thefoolsjourney.thecomicseries.com/

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>>7929270
king

>>7929035
I appreciate you taking the time to give feedback. It's interesting that I'm overly wordy at times. I'm probably underestimating the reader a bit there and end up explicitly adding stuff in dialogue that could be extracted by just looking at the drawings. I get that the amount of text "needed" on a given page or in a scene varies a lot, but I often feel like I "need" to have a certain amount of it. Hopefully more practice writing will do me good here. At least I'm getting more aware of it when I get feedback like this, thanks

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>>7928983

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>>7929329

>>7929331
Good ending.
*clap clap*

>>7929331
amazing ending, really brought a tear to my eye

Even slop manga by jp authors have good, detailed backgrounds. So does everyone just have 3d models of every backdrop imaginable and converting it into line with csp, and that I'm wasting all this time hand drawing worse versions of it

>>7929362
unfortunately, yes.
Old mangaka drew over photos, and that still took skill so the backgroudns were nice. But now you can draw over 3d models and a lot of times it looks ass so you can definitely get away with tracing photos. There's a learning curve but its worth it.

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Doing forest background for me means slapping any vegetation brushes in the toolbar and pray that it makes sense

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Working on a psychological horror one shot with a friend, can I get feedback on these designs?

>>7929392
I dont know anything about these characters

>>7929331
I think this goes to show that rape and sex just doesnt mix no matter how much porn addicts would leave you to believe and that rape - which just ends up as rape for the sake of having rape 95% of the time- is infact NOT a sign a sign of deep, intelligent nor mature writing. You can easily depict the dept of human cruelty without ever stooping low to resort to sexual violence to do so. Rape is truely a fetish for absolute losers and I hope you remember that going forward.

>>7929424
Rape is good, because women are bad. Not everyone wants to read your hypocritical wholesome drivel. Some people still live in the real world.

>>7929425
Rape has no function outside of extreme sadism, and thus is exclusively for losers. "Muh realism" is cope for lazy ass writting and all it did was sabotage the goal of anon story and ruin the tone of the story which was supposed to be steamy sex. Anon should unironically spend less time trying to entertain porn addicted losers like yourself and leave 4chan.

>>7929428
Rape is the #1 fetish for women. Outlander and Handmaids tale are so popular with women because they are rape porn fantasies.

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>>7929428
no one was getting raped in my comic? the only reason they aren't fucking right now is it stopped making sense for the characters in their current situation at the current time.

>>7929428
Rape is good because it makes fake pussies like you mad

>>7929439
OP isn't a woman and this story isn't written for women. The last post about you enjoying rape because woman deserves to suffer was far more honest than you back peddling to poorly parrotly studies that can't even decide if its 31% or 60% percent of women even has these fantasy to begin with just to reinforce your loser worldview. Anyway, leaving this conversation before I catch your infection kek

>>7929428
>>7929439
This raises a slightly related topic that I sometimes think about, how this kind of stuff nobody really blinks an eye at when it's not comics, but then it's suddenly a big deal if it's in a comic or a drawing.
>violence or sex as a subject matter in a movie
>very little other than some different rating changes, things like The Thing and Blue is the Warmest Color are considered ok

>violence or sex as a subject matter in music
>lol, lmao even - barring warnings about "explicit content" nobody has ever given a single shit about this

>violence or sex in regular printed literature
>completely acceptable, nobody even blinks an eye, you can have grandma totter on down and check out the newest stuff if she wanted to at the local library

>violence or sex in a videogame
>violence clearly accepted what with things like Mortal Kombat, and you can get H-games from Steam and elsewhere easily, the only real wall is that blatantly adult things are not publicly accessible on some markets (Google store, Apple store, etc)

>violence or sex for a comic
>what the fuck anon, you're drawing this kind of stuff? what are you, some kind of sick fuck? there is no redeeming value in this, why on earth would you ever do such a thing? Jesus christ this needs to be hidden behind 2923482572457 censors and user settings if anybody is gonna be able to see this, wtf man. I know I just got off of playing Doom and watching a zombie movie, but this drawing you've made of a monster eating somebody, that has to have a guro tag bro, etc etc etc etc etc etc

>>7929448
Rape is for winners. If you rape you win.

>>7929445
Can you make an edit of this where the nipples are shooting out milk like a dolphin blow hole?
The intrusive thoughts told me to request this

Comics really need more rape. Rape is great!

>another thread derailed by neanderthals hollering about rape.

>>7929445
Shes literally me

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>>7929508
Rape! Rape! Rape!

Okay /ic/ long time lurker first time caller. Ive had this sprawling idea for a comic, yada yada whatever. The thing is, Im learning the fundamentals, Loomis, blocking, whatnot a good deal before even attempting anything stylized like manga/VN stuff, which would probably be my end goal. My question is, do you ever stop learning the fundamentals, or do you eventually just incorporate learning illustration on top of it? Drawing portraits for every single panel seems awful and very time consuming tbqh

>>7929559
>do you ever stop learning the fundamentals
no, not really
>do you eventually just incorporate learning illustration on top of it
but also yes

>>7929559
>do you ever stop learning the fundamentals
Not really, but there definitely is some point where you learned enough to basically be able to draw anything you want.

The problem with the fundamentals is, that when you only get them slightly wrong, it can ruin your whole image. It's like the foundation of a house. When the foundation is wrong, it doesn't matter how awesome the rest of the house looks, because it will crumble anyway. You are basically just polishing a turd at this point.

>>7929571
>>7929563
I guess what im wondering is when are you good enough to where you dont really need to sit there and sketch out every little detail to be consistently good. For example, i used to watch Nanashi (Nagatoto guy) stream and ofc hes not sketching out the loomis head, frame, etc every single panel. When do people get to that specific threshold, how do you tell?

>>7929574
I think it's better to learn the thing you want to do by doing it rather than always portioning out your learning and your goal solely as separate aspects.

>how can you tell?
Personal satisfaction.
Is the finished product what you want? Are you Happy? Are you confident in what you've made? If yes then it's good enough, or if it isn't then it's a matter of course correcting until your creations align with your vision.

>>7929580
genuinely didnt think about it that way, thank you. It's definitely been a study for like a couple years then do what i actually want kinda mindset. Thanks :)

>>7929559
Gesture drawing
You will learn how to quickly draw forms with motion. Drawing simple lineart is a totally different skill from rendering a detailed portrait

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hi anons, lurker here
I have roughly 40 pages of a super hero parody comic complete, drawn traditional and scanned to my computer but have hit a roadblock so I'm looking for help.
I wanted to print out a couple copies using mixam (or something similar) to get momentum back into the project and see how it looks before the "final" version. the original pages were drawn at B4 (about 10 inch by 14 inch) and I've exported them into a pdf but want the printed book to be digest/tankoban size (about 5x8). However, when I upload to mixam it either doesn't accept the pdf size or distorts the page/changes the bleed and margins and I can't seem to readjust using their online editor.
I'm using clip studio (ipad pro) and procreate. Is there a way to batch resize all these pages to fit closer to print size?
If any self published/printing anons could help it would be really appreciated. I don't want to have to copy/paste all 40 pages into a new doc with different dimensions if there's a more efficient way of doing this.

>>7929604
For mixam you need each image to be the proper size, and account for margins and bleed in the original files. There's no way to batch redo them all unless you are working in indesign or a similar program and export the whole thing as a single PDF.

>>7929473
Alan Moore and Mark Millar's careers are built on this concept.

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>>7929604
hi lurker, devils moon anon here

When I want to resize and crop a large amount of images I use irfanview. I think it will fit your needs.

>>7929448
>The last post about you enjoying rape because woman deserves to suffer was far more honest than you back peddling to poorly parrotly studies that can't even decide if its 31% or 60% percent of women even has these fantasy to begin with just to reinforce
NTA.You're schizoing, this is the only post I made about it.
>>7929439


The romantasy genre on booktok is booming because those books appeal to the female rape fetish. See also 50 Shades of Grey book sales.

>>7929612
Looks boring. American comics are always boring. They actually put you in jail there if you show a bondage scene.

>>7929615
I believe it. Women are psychopaths.

>>7929626
Women aren't all psychopaths, but they aren't the prude little sex-negative princesses Disney would have you believe. Just like men have hypersexual degenerate fetishes, so do women.

>>7929635
No, they are psychopaths. All of them.

>>7929439
This is pure projection. You just want to believe women like rape so you don't have to look at yourself in the mirror

>>7929449
Anon, it's simply based on how juvenile the medium is considered by the general consensus.

Movies, music, literature and now even video games are considered "adult" media and thus adult topics are fine.

Comics are still considered "kids" media, despite the audience for them being overwhelmingly adults for 30 years now, and so adult content is not acceptable. Cartoons only get a pass if it's a sitcom, if it treats subject matter seriously then it can only feature adult content if it is also highly Jewish and intentionally disgust-provoking.

>>7929623
>They actually put you in jail there if you show a bondage scene.
Why do you feel the need to just make something up and type it into the internet?

>>7929685
I was rather talking about real bondage not drawings. USA is very hypocritical and prudish. Violence is ok there but sex is the devil. Completely backwards society.

>>7929688
Why are you just making shit up? holy 3rd worlder lmfao

>>7929688
USA culture is obsessed with sex, you brainlet

>>7929673
50 Shades of Grey became the highest selling books ever for a reason. Women have degenerate fetishes just like men. The most popular porn for women is gangbang scenes and rape porn. Romantic books are popular because girls are mega coomers.

>>7929747
>The most popular porn for women is gangbang scenes and rape porn.
They're not.
>Romantic books are popular because girls are mega coomers.
Girls like sappy romance dramas. "Chick flicks" are an entire genre for a reason.
>50 Shades of Grey became the highest selling books ever for a reason.
The guy is rich and washes his ass

>>7929750
>Girls like sappy romance dramas. "Chick flicks" are an entire genre for a reason.
You know nothing about booktok or romantasy do you? Your entire post reads like you're an incel whiteknighting for women who make fun of you.

>>7929688
Literally the opposite. Sexualized women are everywhere in kids shows and stories but heaven forbid there's any sort of blood.

>>7929764
Your perception of female tastes comes entirely from internet ragebait videos made to incite low iq porn addicts

>>7929768
It comes from getting with and befriending women. It's clear you have never been close with a woman if you think they're all innocent sex-negative prudes.

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>>7929424
It is impossible to love without agreeing to love and to be loved. Unfortunately, I haven't really seen many series, let alone manga. that actually talks about sex in any profound level either. Mostly because most mangakas don't have a sex life. The closest I can think of is the manga of Tsukihime.

>>7929770
My experiences with women teach me that they don't actually want love, especially as they grow older. All my friends and family who have successful marriages got married young to their high school sweetheart. Women are just so disappointing to me.

>>7929774
>My experiences with women teach me that they don't actually want love, especially as they grow older.

Fat and ugly virgins would think like this. I understand your point of view now.

>>7929777
If I was fat or ugly women wouldn't approach me. I just get really disappointed when I pick their brains out just to find nothing there. Even the "spiritual" ones are very narcissistic and trapped in their own ego.

>>7929770
>not wanting to be raped means being an innocent sex-negative prude
If you interacted with women, you would know that they find booktok slop hilarious. The only people not in on the joke are losers like you who need to project their rape fantasies onto others just to avoid smelling yourselves

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>>7929772
>I haven't really seen many series, let alone manga. that actually talks about sex in any profound level either.
Nana is good if this is what you want. If not profound atleast it's an honest example of how women think about sex and hypergamy.

>>7929783
They get off on rape fantasies. Very few women actually want to be raped. Do you understand the clear difference?

>>7929785
Kino panel. I would love idealistic sex but judging from what you said pic related is just a trap to get women and not authentic.

>>7929783
>If you interacted with women, you would know that they find booktok slop hilarious.
They're all obsessed with 4th wing and A Court of Thorns and Roses-books that have sold millions of copies which are full of explicit sex scenes and essentiallyare porn for women. They call sex scenes 'spicy' and openly talk about their love of their porn books in public.

>>7929786
Women don't get off on rape fantasies, they get off on enthusiastic sex

>>7929788
It was written by a woman who lived that Tokyo art ho life. It is very honest about the female psyche.

>>7929786
was it 30% or 60% of women? not even your """"""studies""""" can decide this kek

>>7929789
You really think women are jerking it to words?

>>7929681
>intentionally disgust-provoking
I am trying to vaguely think of adult oriented western animation that doesn't look intentionally vomit inducing and the nicest thing I can think of at the moment (and its not even nice looking either, objectively speaking) is Bojack. Maybe Archer. Everything else just goes downhill even more from there.

How do people get gray tones in traditional ink manga/comic style without using screentones?

>>7929772
sex is pretty ugly, personally I wouldn't enjoy exploring the meaning of it besides biology

>>7929790
They get off of enthusiastic sex where all the man can think about is her, even if it's rape. Women without a push to have kids become extremely narcissistic.
>>7929791
I'll check it out. Does the woman show any amount of remorse or acknowledgement of her own decisions being the reason why she's in the mess? Otherwise I'm going to hate reading it.

>>7929796
I use pencils and a smudging tool. I don't think that's professional though.

>>7929797
Sex is beautiful if it's the act of two souls merging into one stream of consciousness and the physicality plays an important role in developing that. You won't see anything talk about sex like that though so it sucks to see.

>>7929798
>I'll check it out. Does the woman show any amount of remorse or acknowledgement of her own decisions being the reason why she's in the mess? Otherwise I'm going to hate reading it.
Yeh there's two women. They both fuck around and dick around the nice guys to get with rich emotionally unstable assholes who cheat on them, while acknowledging what massive sluts they are. The anime is good too.

>>7929798
They like enthusiastic sex because it means the man will be attentive to making her cum, not because it fuels her ego.

>>7929793
Yes. Men get off to visual cues. Women get off to emotional scenarios with long buildup. Women do in fact masturbate to words- just look up the degenerate fanfictions they read and write.

>>7929802
I'll check it out later, thank you anon.

>>7929792
What studies are you talking about? You seem to have done a lot of research on this. I'm simply looking at book sales of rape porn books, popularity of rape porn shows like Outlander and Handmaiden's Tale, and I listen to what they say when we're all drunk and high at parties together.

>>7929805
More cope

>>7929808
You can't even differentiate between television that handles rape as a subject and pornography

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>>7927875
I won the contest :D
Thank you so much for the help, if you read this anon.
I'll keep you fellas posted as I continue to work on this thing.

>>7929803
There is delusion and then there is next level delusion. Women care mostly about foreplay than the physical act of sex themselves, and in that I can relate to them. However, they want all the attention to be on them, and that I can't relate to. You can live in delusion if you want, but women aren't as pragmatic as you choose to believe.

>>7927875
This winning a contest makes me feel extremely optimistic. Congratulations.

>>7929818
Women watch handmaids tale and outlander because the rape scenes get them off. Both shows are rape porn, not to mention Game of Thrones.

>>7929813
>>7929818
These women you're white knighting for on 4chan think you're an embarrassing joke.

Can any rapists in the thread confirm that the women enjoyed it?

>>7929820
The only person deluding themselves here is you. You don't want to have sex with a human being, you just want to use their bodies to masturbate. Women are generally turned off by that because sex is an invested interaction between human beings, not just using each other as a tool to cum, which often means that only the man gets off.

>>7929805
>Men get off to visual cues
Elected rape on firm at best and recording themselves raping their own children at worst.
V.S.
>Women get off to emotional scenarios with long buildup
Healthy relationships that last far beyond the initial sexual encounter. Where's the degeneracy in that again? I'm told that women are """"just as bad"""" as men but the comparison rarely seems comparable.

>>7929825
The women on this board think you're retarded
>>7929824
Projection

>>7929828
I want to have sex with a conscious soul. Women block that off by being so self-absorbed. There's a reason why men consume manga and visual stimulus about fantasizing that a woman loves them without needing to work for it and why women consume books about how they want a man that's so focused on her he ends up abusing her in the process.

>>7929824
These are the scenes that get YOU off, you don't have to pretend that women are the one's clipping these scenes and re- uploading them to porn sites.

>>7929834
Women aren't the clippers but they're the primary consumers of the clips.
>>7929830
Virgin

>>7929827
Most rape victims orgasm from their rapists. That's why it fucks them up mentally so bad.

>>7929834
>>7929836
Someone pull the stats on what women consume on Pornhub or some pornsite where it was revealed that the women have even freakier tastes then the men.

>>7929839
These virgins will never believe the reality that the average innocent m'lady is more degenerate and gooner than they are. Reality will collapse around them if they're forced to confront this truth.

>>7929839
Doesn't exist and trannies aren't women

>>7929839
>freakier tastes
women aren't consuming 'tiny' or any of the other shit resembling CP, porn addict .

>>7929847
>>7929851
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

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>Wow, the general got active all of the sudden, let me see what they're discussing
>....

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>>7929851
I'm not into loli, most men aren't. One of the most searched terms on Pornhub is milf. Most men are desperate to be loved and to have the love they received (or wish they did) as a child while women seek being an object of desire that's the center of attention. I wish women were into lovey dovey romance, man, but they just aren't. We're messed up in the head but obsession is a problem women don't want to fix, just channel into them.

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>>7929854
Look like you didn't even look at your own study kek
>sample size of 355 woman
>has fantasy 4 (four) times a YEAR
>one of the citations is literally fanfiction in 2004
Meanwhile in reality, here's a far more earnest overview of womens' taste in erotic media.

>>7929865
Why is Japanese porn so popular globally and with women?

>>7929865
nigger you just want a fuck-mommy to wash your ass for you, and your own chart doesn't even agree with you
also
>trannies

>>7929870
I don't know because I only read romance or hentai about being loved. Isekaislop about being surrounded by women who love you simply for existing is a booming industry while romantasy about monster and rape is most popular for women.

>>7929874
Full cap when every fag in here is obsessed with rape kek

>>7929873
Both sexes are suffering from extreme sex deprivation because we've let media replace sexual intimacy. Also no I want to lift an amazonian woman and eat her out while she massages my scalp and brushes on my ear, faggot.

>>7929875
>romantasy about monster and rape is most popular for women.

The sooner you accept this reality, the better.

>>7929875
Mangakas producing hentai aren't normal people. Why the hell are you people drawing art for porn anyways? I stopped browsing here because of how much that pissed me off. It takes years of talent and skill to make something and all you fuckers waste it on drawing tits.

>>7929878
Meanwhile, you continue to project your low self-esteem slop onto women. The truth is, you'll anyone kek

>>7929882
>I totally stopped browsing here, but here I am to argue
tard
>>7929881
Projection and not even backed by evidence

>>7929865
>no breakdown between gender only the sexual binary
How much of this studies is poisoned by unironic trannies kek
>>7929874
>>7929881
>Isekaislop about being surrounded by women who love you simply for existing is a booming industry for men and trannies while romantasy about monster and rape is most popular for men and trannies.
cleared this up for you.

>>7929886
My female coworker literally just read a book about some priest who has a secret obsession with abusing women and was talking about it to her other female coworkers. Just talk to women dude it's really not that difficult.

>>7929888
They openly talk about the porn they read in public. "Spicy" is the codeword they use for degenerate sex scenes.
>>7929884
>>7929886
This virgin spends no time around actual women.

>fuck yea I love rape! Here's my rape comic everybody! I love that we all make rape comics!
>rape is based because women hate it!
>actually women like rape so it's ok that we love rape!
>actually it's us who hate rape, women love it!
>actually, we're both the same!
>actually I don't even go here!
dumb ass niggers

>>7929893
If these men were conventionally attractive and had money women would be swooning for them in. Their bitterness does not make that women fantasize about being the main attraction and even abused.

>>7929897
If they were conventionally attractive and had money the women wouldn't be getting raped

Where are all the unconditional love comics from /mmg/? the only think you limp dick gooners ever make is rape and braindead porn comics where all women looks like they're 'faking it' in every panel.

>>7929861
fucking hate this place. was a great threat before this.

>>7929902
Women don't like getting raped but they like fantasizing about being the prized possession so much that they would commit a crime, such as rape, to get her. Is this something you are able to understand or do I need to use simpler words?

>>7929905
Japan is all about selling your soul and most of these people worship it. You won't find soulful sex because they aren't even aware of the concept. Again, closest I could find is Tsukihime which still isn't perfect but it shows the difference between rape and mutual love.

>>7929906
90% of the people posting in this board are just in it for porn. Even the women are just gooners. Artists get such a shit reputation and we absolutely deserve it for treating our work so low.

>>7929907
it's not about being coveted it's about the man caring enough to know where the clitoris is

>>7929905
>Where are all the unconditional love comics from /mmg/?
Mine has this, but the plot where I'm at isn't ready for it yet. Also, everyone seems to be really angry about sex right now so I'm just gonna wait for a new thread before posting an update.

>>7929915
If you introduce sex into your series early you are lying. Sex is at the climax of the relationship and requires intense non-sexual intimate experiences. Sex shouldn't be until half way through the story at earliest.

>>7929916
>introduce sex into your series early
But...... I might not have any sex at all in my comic...? What?

>>7929918
Sorry then anon. The board's constant obsession with sex got to me. I believe you and wish you best of luck.

>>7929449
What anon said and the fact that in drawn media you have full control of the content and chose to make it about taboo stuff

>>7929574
Draw thousands of pages of comics. It's just mileage.

>>7929795
Drawn Together.

>>7929925
Smiling Friends is the last one I can think of.

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>>7929819
That is so fantastic!

well done! im so curious what you changed.

>>7929801
>You won't see anything talk about sex like that though
Because it's simply not true, two people humping their excretory organs together and sweating is peak degen

>>7929830
You're not a woman and most women on this board are into some weird shit if you browse outside of here.

>>7929907
>Women don't like getting raped but they like fantasizing about being the prized possession so much that they would commit a crime, such as rape, to get her.
why don/t these charts>>7929865>>7929868 agree with you then? Explain this in simple words.

>>7929929
That process is how children are made. There is a desire for a man and a woman to get closer to join each other but in this world it is limited to the flesh. It is the closest thing to unity with each other we will get on this world but it has been reduced to mere pleasure through years of propaganda and birth control removing the central aspect of it which is forging a body for a new soul.

>>7929931
Again with the projection

>>7929933
Are you aware of lesbian statistics with domestic violence? Women consume mostly through books so you have to look at romantasy, the most popular selling fiction genre in the world, and what they sell. Lastly, the second one literally says possession.

>>7929819
Nice going anon

>>7929937
>moves the goalpost yet again

>>7929928
I went off of the suggestions from the last thread mostly, adding new scenes. Some reactions, a new dream sequence. Obligatory accidental peeping, that kind of thing.
I intend on redrawing some iffy pages now that I'm no longer under a deadline and sharpening things, I'll post more about it when I get going.
>>7929822
Thanks :D
This whole thing has convinced me to try and contact an agent once I polish this thing up to proficiency. There is a comic collective in my town, so I might be able to get something self published at the very least.

>>7929819
Hey congrats dude