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Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.
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>>50948320
I can hear her sweet wonderful little laugh already just from this OST... I think it's time for a Higurashi Re-read I want to go back to my dearest friends
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>>50949040
Dipshitkishi has no idea how to write these characters anymore, anything past 2016 can be safely ignored as expensive fan-fiction
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>>50953696
Does 07th mod have these arcs already? If not, then I guess this release justifies its existence as a basis for it. Only an official English release of the Switch version would be notable, but that will never happen because KUSO GAIJIN DIE! DIEDIEIDIEDIEDEIDIE!
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>>50953868
Not sure what you mean, they have some older translation patches for Japanese copies of each bonus disc individually, but they kinda suck. This will be the first time they'll be officially released elsewhere so they may put out a higher effort patch for it. I am mostly "looking forward" to the pachinko-style Piece sprite.
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>>50954825
Higu and Umi are in the same world. There's nothing to contradict them happening in one Japan. Ciconia was a unique abortion that tried to be Evangelion and failed horrifically in every aspect. I don't even blame Ryukishi from hiding from such a massive L. He should honestly just delist phase 1.
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>>50954920
Higurashi and Umineko cannot be in the same world.
Higurashi is reference by Battler as a fictional story he read.
Okonogi also difficult to reconcile. He can’t really be doing all that military trash and also working in the food industry at the same time. Let’s say he somehow did there is still the issue that he managed to make it from yamainu shenanigans to head of Ushiromiya group in about three years.
Different worlds with some thematic links.
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>>50955181
Battler namedrops Higurashi, but just says that it's a novel he read. Our real life experiences might as well be some elder god's novel. We have no idea what its name is. As for Okonogi, there's more than one John in England. I agree with you that they are likely different worlds, but it's not impossible for them to take place in the same continuity.
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>>50955373
I read Umineko before Higurashi so maybe that affected my perspective, but when the credits of Tatarigoroshi called it a "serial murder novel" and Himatsubushi and Tsumihoroboshi showed future scenes of Ooishi and Akasaka, I took them more seriously, like the Ange parts of Umineko. I figured that the Great Hinamizawa Disaster happened "in real life" and that the truth behind it was eventually uncovered years later, and that Ikuko decided to write a series of mystery novels based on the whole incident. She especially memorialized Rika and made her main character because of the particularly brutal way she died, which would explain a lot of the supernatural elements of the story. Matsuribayashi would be an imaginary "happy ending," which makes how stupid it is a little more digestible. So, mentioning Higurashi in Umineko then would just be a little meta self-referential humor. That's just how I saw it, though, I never watched Gou or Sotsu, but based on what I've heard it would probably invalidate my whole idea so meh.
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>>50955373
Something similar happens in Higanbana. I don't remember which chapter it was, but the kids are shown planning to put on a play about Umineko, and it shows both Beatrice and Battler as marionettes.
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>>50953696
can't wait to play with Mexican Battler sprites. He kills witches with his sharpened chin alone
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>>50951050
Forgery of the Purple Logic is literally broken. It's unsolvable, and I'm not sure how they even did that except on purpose. Any possible culprit is locked up in a genuine closed room, so a witch ACTUALLY had to have done it. It's a frustrating read, but also really creepy when you attempt a solution. There actually is something else on the island in that one, and we never see it.
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>>50958179
It’s in the same continuity
What time stop in what anime?
Ryukishi confirmed anyway. Take it up with him. Don’t like it? Tough luck. Ryukishi confirmed. Think you might be making sense? You aren’t. You are a goat.
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>>50958070
considering what forgeries purple truth is usually used in, i think it kinda fits in a way
after all the struggles battler went through trying to prove there was some other way for his family and friends to die without them killing each other and ultimately failing, there really WAS something there in the shadows, something that actually could have killed them all
but it didn't
it just stood there
watching
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>>50959538
>wants to cum in another man's mouth
https://youtu.be/Utxb-kzvFZU?si=gkMpW0s5aE3GkWbw
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>>50958364
Then assume the VN is canon and the anime didn’t adapt that scene.
Sotsugou is an official continuation of the VN.
Ryukishi confirmed. Live and love with it. Accept that anime is simply an adaptation of the VN with some content altered or abridged due to differences in medium.
Either way Sotsugou is terrible and it’s the final truth which invalidates all of the VN or anime endings of the original Higurashi.
It is your god. Don’t like it? Tough. You failed. Sotsugou is truth. It tastes bad but it’s truth.
It is the final word until the hack makes another cash grab.
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Having finally gotten around to re-reading the entire thing after 'skimming' over it as a teenager, I'm surprised how much my enjoyment of Umineko dropped in the answer arcs after being greatly entertained by the question arcs. Episodes 5 and 6 were tolerable, but the closer I got to the end the harder things began falling apart in regards to the pacing, meta-narrative and especially the whole mystery aspect and the shitshow that was the truth behind the true culprit responsible for the creation of the Rokkenjima Sands Missile Range.
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>>50961114
>Sotsugou is an official continuation of the VN.
can't really be one when it changes such a scene really
but it definitely is a direct continuation of the anime
>Then assume the VN is canon and the anime didn’t adapt that scene.
I don't really have to assume it
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>>50961891
Irrelevant. One scene not being in the anime doesn’t matter. It’s a different medium so things are done differently but it’s the same core. The fact is it’s an adaptation of the VN and we know that Sotsugou is a sequel to the VN as confirmed by Ryukishi.
You can fail to deny it all day but it’s true.
>i i don’t have to assume it
Then don’t. It’s the truth and you are an idiot who denies truth. You are the failure.
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>>50962974
Not that licensed LINE chatbot? Holy shit that thing sounded stupid.
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>>50964886
>>Irrelevant. One scene not being in the anime doesn’t matter.
Yes it does, it's a very important scene.
The fact it's a different medium only proves it's even more not canon to the VN itself!
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>This is fine
maybe if you like eating shit
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>>50965823
If you watched Sotsugou then you ate shit. Maybe you liked it. I don’t care.
This autism is bad. It’s the official sequel whether your Rika catching a bullet or Hanyu being a bullet stopper or whatever is in there or not. This is the way it is. Live, love, Ryukishi.
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>>50965565
Yes, that one. I have seen like 4 or 5 different accounts playing with it, which is a lot considering I didn't hear anyone talking about it since its announcement. I don't know if it got some popularity for some reason or if it's twitter algorithm doing it with me.
It looks fun in a way honestly, and they all seem to be enjoying it. Still wouldn't pay for it even if it was available to me.
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>>50965932
>This autism is bad. I
I agree, all I am saying is that since the important bullet catching scene isn't in any anime, then the VN can't have Sotsugou as its continuation.
I don't care if Ryukishi said it is, it literally can't be true for the reasons I've stated.
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>>50966449
It can and it is.
Perhaps that scene happens but was not written down. Perhaps your goat mind is not up to the job. Perhaps it was because different mediums require different approaches. All sorts of things that do not matter. Ryukishi is in charge and he is normally cooler than you although Ciconia was a flop. He’s in charge anyway.
The Umineko manga as >>50964893 pointed out has extra scenes to explain things. And it’s 100% canon and undisputed and approved by Ryukishi as the ultimate truth.
This is the same. Your one scene (one of the worst by the way, holy shit catching bullets lmao) is totally irrelevant.
Your head canon is bad and simply wrong. Ridden with bullets.
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>>50966497
>>It can and it is.
it ain't though, and there is no "head canon" here, just stating simple facts
>Perhaps it was because different mediums require different approaches.
Or it was different because they just forgot about it since they are hacks and all
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This autist is always lurking around and his argument is always the same one.
Basically what he'll argue for threads and threads about is this
Canon = what the author writes.
He has no other qualities to ascribe to canon. No importance other than it being what it is. Just a meaningless title he's obsessed with. He ignores any attempts to converse and make something further. Like what if there's contradictions? What about how the WTC world is made of tons of different timelines and outer meta worlds like the world of voyager witches?
Nah he doesn't care.
Author wrote = canon
Muh interview. Muh sequel.
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>>50966515
I haven’t been here in years. I came back to see how things are. All the same I guess. Is this copy pasta?
Tell us what canon is then. Because according to you it’s whatever larp you come up that day. That’s fine, Ryukishi changes his mind a lot. Sotsugou can be seen as an unnecessary cash grab. It changes things. But it’s canon.
It’s super canon.
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You aren’t stating facts. You are stating the opposite. Facts say it’s canon.
>>50966510
You need to learn English to post here anon. I get what you are trying to say though. It’s canon. Ryukishi confirmed. It’s the period at the end of the sentence that is Umineko. Ryukishi confirmed. Canon.
Can Rika canonically stop cannon balls? That’s the level you need to be arguing at.
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>>50966534
>what is canon
Originally it was a religious term for books that held authority separating them from more fanciful writing.
Within modern fiction it's more of a way to separate a true set of events, a main grouping of writing from additives or fanfictions.
That's all it really is. I'd argue it doesn't really mean much at all. Especially in WTC, where a whole hell of a lot of contradictions can be canon at the same time because there are multiple worlds and multiple timelines in those worlds. You could consider shitsugou happening in both the different ways (manga and anime) and have it completely seperate from DEEN or from the VN. Cause there's different kakera.
Except the most egregious contradiction keeping shitsugou from the main timelines, in myh opinion, is it's attempt to tell the story of Bernkastel and Lambdadelta who already existed. It just makes 0 sense for Bern to be born after she had already been active in saving her mortal self and looking through the possible timelines.
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Also see
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>>50966560
They say the opposite of what you say.
It’s canon. Ryukishi confirmed. It’s his choice. You are trying to defy reality and you can’t.
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Now your opinion about the voyage witches is interesting. They are outside space and time once formed but I think Ryukishi was clearly doing an origin story in Sotsugou. They have to start somewhere and Rika was clearly linked to Bernkastel. My opinion on where he was going was that they were not ever witches at all. I think he was moving into the realms of AI and creatures such as Eua, Featherine and Hanyuu are administrator type AIs. There was no magic ever, the way mini-Eua disappears at the end of Sostugou also has a very data like quality. I think he was setting Ciconia up to be the next “truth”. But we will never know.
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Sotsugou really broke the minds and hearts of so many innocent anons. A classic case of people choosing the comfortable lie over the actual narrative.
That’s what you get for getting attached to these characters for so long instead of living your own life.
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>>50966594
Sure I think that too but my point is that Bernkastel and Lambda were clearly around in Higurashi prime. Bern was born from that.
Sotsugou fatally contradicts itself if it's from the same story because Bernkastel would have two births and Lambda would have to be a time travel, which I can grant for a witch sure, but then she'd cause her own suffering, the suffering that she has PTSD from in Umineko.
So I could accept Sotsugou as canon if it sticks to a different timeline sure, outside of all the character issues since I don't think much of the word canon. BUT it painfully contradicts itself with the attempt at an Umineko reference.
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>>50966619
Actually I've got the solution to this. It just came to me, hear me out.
Sotsugou is canon. It's Umineko canon.
It's a shitty forgery script Lambda wrote on a napkin and put in a bottle to confuse the reader. There is no greater purpose. But because a witch created it as a world, it's a game that has a sort of presence and meaning. Thus it can be canon, tied to Umi, and also have contradictions.
Just a shitty Higurashi forgery.
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>>50966679
Where did it go so wrong
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>>50966704
It's been six years? What the fuck.
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>>50966709
Be honest, would you like Ciconia phase 2 to be released after Ryukishi has proven multiple times in recent years that he is an incompetent writer who has lost his spark? Sometimes dead is better.
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>>50966784
Someone who read Phase 1, please explain to me...
What was the message in the meat melting/left only the head factory scene in reality, other that Hackysi07 being a coward in regards of third world exportation being the main cause of low birth?
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>>50968213
It's the miracle. It's the culmination of the religious transformation of the village's faith. It's that choice to do away with human sacrifice, when their god tried to take all the sin onto herself and make herself a sacrafice Rika said no more sacrifice for sins, we wash away our sins through forgiveness.
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>>50968293
I don't care for your shitposting
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>>50968253
oh, hanyuu is jesus
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>>50968421
All the sin everyone carries. The village first attempted to force all the sinfulness into specific people and sacrifice them so that everyone else could be forgiven. Over time it turned into letting the sin flow down the river, a symbolic gesture of forgiving others so you can be forgiven.
Hanyuu was fed up with others suffering and being sacrificed in her name so she attempted to sacrifice herself, but Rika used Hanyuu's own power (over time) to forgive her herself. The miracle there is a physical manifestation of the religious transformation the village went through over the last century.
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>>50968987
At least we can all agree it was approved by Ryukishi and officially important.
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>>50958070
As I recall it's easy to construct a solution with just the caveat that Nanjo is counted as a servant at some point (there's a "only the servants could have done X because they know the mansion" type thing at some point that would have left Nanjo able to kill... I think it was Jessica and Natsuhi who were locked in the shed overnight). Someone somewhere said there was one error in the manga that made it unsolvable, and that would be an easy pick for such an error.
It's also blatantly obvious that Kyrie was supposed to be the second culprit (at the end, Battler hears one gunshot but finds both his parents dead... the blatantly obvious conclusion is one of them shot the other and is faking, and Kyrie has a good motive for being the killer similar to the motive Nanjo gives)... except also at some point I think Ryukishi said Natsuhi was supposed to be the second culprit, fucking somehow. I need to look that shit up again, it was so fucking retarded it's amazing
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>>50969470
Important enough that it was written out of the manga
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>>50970181
Yeah.
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>>50970403
If you say so.
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>>50968646
That´s was the master plan of Hackysi07 of being a cocksucker coward, escape to Konami to make a overrated "Silent Hill" game, and being happy that third word apes burn the budhists temples, you see...
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>>50970452
Yo! It's yuributa!
Good to see you agian.
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>>50971950
>being happy that third word apes burn the budhists temples
Reminder that modern Ryukishi actively supports mass immigration and is perfectly fine with their local culture and customs being replaced with new ones
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>>50973634
To bad for him that not only he´s not worth have the IP of WTC in his hands, but also being a shitface of say absolute nothing about the bad doings of the modern "progesive" movement in any of his works.
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>>50973483
I'm open to more proofs but that page just sounds like a boomer trying their hardest to be all whitepill about the zoomers leaving town to go to the city and forget their local heritage.
They're all Japanese there right?
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>>50973723
I didn't get that from RGD really. He felt like he was admitting to the importance and rationality of nationalism while coating it in a post war feeling of bitter self chastising defeat.
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>>50973846
Rose Guns Days came out in 2012 anon, Ryukishi is a completely different person post-Ciconia. Just look at this shit >>50966530
I'm sure if he wrote RGD now it'd be about accepting the death of your nation and culture for the greater good and the entire finale filled with gags
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>>50973863
Yeah I know. I put it as pre 2020 because I still think in Ciconia he was making a critique of how fucked up the kids are, and how super fucked up they're going to be. There's no good way to skew giving yourself schizophrenia to think with more thoughts just so you can use the new internet, having babies born in factories etc.
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>>50973838
God, Rose was such an obnoxious delusional retard. That convert zeal that makes you sick to watch. I couldn't get through RGD with her as a main character. Even if her psychology was realistic, the drivel that spewed from her mouth was unreadably cringe.
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>>50973876
You all very much proving the point that Hackysi07 was another example of a jap "taking the knee in front of his anglo overlords, instead of have a pair and use ACTUALLY his brain".
And not being worth of still having the rights of When They Cry, because the clown only cares about the "have to be nice" agenda (aka half of the premise), instead of show the other side.
But oh well, better being a coward, go to Konami, and glorify the nu-Silent Hill game and manga af being """good""".
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>>50974395
>You all very much proving the point
>have a pair and use ACTUALLY his brain
>And not being worth of still having the rights of When They Cry
>only cares about the "have to be nice" agenda (aka half of the premise), instead of show the other side.
>But oh well, better being a coward
Holy FUCK
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>>50974470
>This is the most based think
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>>50975096
Fat and suicidal
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stylish and intellectual.
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Fat and suicidal
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Dead/not real
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>>50975756
It’s totally fine.
Just like Ange we must suffer until we either commit suicide or start an orphanage or shoot some guy on a boat.
Just like Rika we must loop around and for some reason loop again. Then maybe again when the next retcon happens.
Just like Miyao we must live in a perpetual state of pause as our hopes are gone, never getting a conclusion as to whether we are a twink boy or a tomboy girl. Either way Jayden will rail us.
This is the 07th expansion that we deserve, hope you like AI Higurashi chat.
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I have less hate in my heart for R07 than a lot of the people here seem to, but I also think that a lot of his behaviour isn't exactly new. Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi already retroactively often the edges of prior arcs, particularly with going out of its way to change it so Teppei is DEFINITELY NOT SEXUALLY ABUSING SATOKO which I find particularly spineless considering one of the most powerful moments in the entire series is the Tatatarigoroshi TIP where abuse statistics are displayed over her sprite, ending with the sting of "sexual violence" when we know every other thing in that TIP has definitely happened. That's as close to confirming she has been sexually abused as you can get, and it's incredible. Teppei's reversal in characterisation definitely reached its peak in Sotsu, but it had already started as early as Minagoroshi.
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>>50976673
Yeah you're a fucking moron or a baiting piece of shit
>it so Teppei is DEFINITELY NOT SEXUALLY ABUSING SATOKO which I find particularly spineless considering one of the most powerful moments in the entire series is the Tatatarigoroshi TIP where abuse statistics are displayed over her sprite, ending with the sting of "sexual violence" when we know every other thing in that TIP has definitely happened. That's as close to confirming she has been sexually abused as you can get, and it's incredible
You missed the entire point of that chapter which was to put you in the constant state of worry and delusions that Keiichi was going through over your love and care for Satoko. Keiichi had no idea what was going on with Satoko only that she was being abused, with some bruises on her and Teppei yelling. The point of that tip was to make YOU the reader fear the absolute worst right alongside Keiichi, If Ryukishi really had intended on that being the case he would've confirmed it without a shred of doubt but he didn't because he never intended on that being the truth. I genuinely think you should fucking kill yourself for posting your sub-80 IQ take here you illiterate faggot.
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>>50976688
the argument of Keiichi's delusions has no ground to stand on for a TIP that is explicitly not told from his perspective. This is also not the only allusion to Satoko being sexually abused by Teppei in Tatarigoroshi.
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>the argument of Keiichi's delusions has no ground to stand on for a TIP that is explicitly not told from his perspective.
Gee it's almost like I just fucking said that TIP was meant for YOU the fucking reader to get you in the same worriedsome mindset Keiichi is in. Almost like that was the entire intention Ryukishi had when writing Tatarigoroshi, but I'm sure you're not a mud hut living 60 IQ subhuman retard who lacks reading comprehension right.
>This is also not the only allusion to Satoko being sexually abused by Teppei in Tatarigoroshi.
Except it is and the scene where Keiichi sees Satoko whisper something to Rena that sets her off is meant to play into YOUR and Keiichis Delusions as to what happened to her, something never confirmed in the chapter because that was the entire point to make you paranoid and to fuel your worst fears. Post your hand right fucking now so I know I'm not talking to some turd world shitskin
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>>50976874
hmm... all i'm getting from this post issex with satoko
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>>50976759
He can't since his bottom surgery, now he regularly gets filled up with his hubby Ooishi
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>>50976876
Calm down Keiichi from the Maebara household
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I think Ryu really went out of his way not to touch sexual abuse in Higurashi. The line about Teppei not wanting to touch her cause she was too young felt pretty purposeful. Just like this one for Rika.
Felt like he just didn't want to touch the subject.
Of course when he does touch the subject in later in Higanbana it's pretty bold and obvious.
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>the fact that rika's killers didn't molest her is part of what makes her murder so unusual
there's definitely something to be said about that
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>>50975909
It doesn't even have to be stolen. Just license out the magical girl spinoff already!
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>>50978061
I will Rika
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Bern cute as always