>>43491945
Sounds like an exit scam ngl
I mean is a troon going to track you down over not getting her sissy vial

>>43491945
so many diy sellers shutting down lately

I hate this cesspool country. most of the population here are fucking sociopaths.
to most Americans you are nothing but an obstacle or problem in their way of their next dopamine hit.
there is no human soul left in this country left, so I hope this new coronavirus will act as a modern filter and kill most of America's population.

hmm maybe I should stock up now, I have a bit of spare money

>>43491956

I don't think it is, they had opportunity to with the last op and didn't.

>>43491957
there will be more, people will step up and fill the gaps.
>>43492025
do it

a new US seller will be mysteriously opening shortly after

>>43491945
more like cialabs

>>43491956
>>43492128
>>43492145

can you people please fuck off with this shit, it's been 3 years nonstop of random speculation and yet people got their estrogen just fine.

I guess since it's near the end I can vent a little bit.

All you fuckers were worse to deal with than anyone over at kiwifarms or the right wing media. You literally have been biting the heels of people trying to just help sisters in need for years now with fake bullshit. I can't tell you the amount of smaller ops i've helped start up, funding thrown at good projects, even some bigger people now (that you see as my competition) that I enabled to succeed in the same market I occupied for years.

I'm glad I got to help the people that I did despite you, but I despise yall the most. Inhale the contents of my large colon, I ate asparagus and an MRE yesterday.

To the rest, love you all.

>>43492241
Not that anon, but unless you were operating at a loss or breaking even, you were running a business not doing charity. Tired of businesses in a capitalist profit driven market system pretending to be good Samaritan or doing favors.

>>43492241
Well anon I wish you the best and hope nothing bad happened to cause the shutdown

>>43492278
Then run one yourself.

Don't demand I work for free just because you're pretending you're willing to.

>>43492286
Just admit you were out for profit. The faux public service crap gets tiresome quick. You made money, yes? Then enjoy your money and stfu.

>>43492306

There's a lot less risky ways to make money and a lot of it was given to mutual aide type projects. It wasn't the only motivator but yes, I enjoyed being able to survive in the capitalist hellscape we live in for the endless hours of lost sleep and nightmares working on the project.

Start an op, see what you're willing to do for free. That's not a hypothetical, I encourage you to do so.

>>43492241
free vials when?

>>43492366
thank you for doing a good thing.

>>43492241
oh man does this mean ogl vials will have collectable value now???

>>43492278
oh my fucking god only a tranny would literally whine about capitalism for her black market hormones just buy it and inject it bro

>>43492397
It's Grey market not black market

And I'm not whining about capitalism I'm rejecting the framing that they were doing something more than running a business designed to fill a need in the market

>>43491945
How long until they close?

>>43492415
I was. Trust me, I could have done some shit to make more money off this that I didn't do and I gave a *lot* to other small projects. I wrote guides, I taught others, I vouched for others to get on index's. My word is worth a lot because I held people to high standards and they delivered.

Why would I teach, donate, and enable others to do the very thing I was making money off of if my intentions were purely financial?

I don't think you recognize how much exists behind the scenes that I have no financial gain of because I believed in the mission.

You don't like the way I played the game? Then seriously, this isn't me taunting you, ***please play it yourself***. More options are almost always better.

And by the way, homebrew is in a great state now. I'm not saying that I caused all of that but I certainly will take credit for at least helping there be more than 1 american option, 1 european option and lena.

>>43492415
okay i don’t care

>>43492111
>people will step up and fill the gaps.
yeah, the feds

>>43492481
based feds getting us cheap enanthate

>>43492498
>cheap

>>43492498
oh yes, they even give you a pretty little gold star you can wear around for your trouble

>>43492503
where do you live where pharma e is not multiple times more expensive than diy?

>>43492509
it would be unfair to compare and there is no pure pharma grade E here

>>43491945
Lol good fucking riddance

>>43492241
For what it's worth if you're real, thx for giving estrogen

Pay no mind to communist retards who think taking profit is somehow evil and that they deserve everything for free lol, they are a nightmare for anyone to deal with

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>>43492241
Stay safe sis, fuck the entitled tankie haters, you did more than they ever will it's why they drag you down. They e-beg on Tumblr and Insta, yet the money never seems to go where it needs to... Every single one of the best trans women I know have been harassed off the internet, you're in good, if unfortunate company.

>>43492467
why can't you or anyone else who wants to sell estrogen/testosterone/etc just operate on the darknet? there are thousands of listings for drugs on black ops and dark matter. lots of listings for all sorts of steroids including estrogen. i don't understand why you need to buy it off the clearnet when you're already using bitcoins

>>43492278
>>43492366
i agree with what he's saying, because selling drugs is such an extreme profit margin on the cost to make them or obtain in bulk if you can find a real supplier for your operation. if you're operating a small mail-order operation, one person can do it all on their own without even needing any runners or security, and if it's not a large operation, it probably won't get busted.

>>43492591
>>43492701
no retards profit is not evil but sellers are not doing charity

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>>43492731
>it probably won't get busted.
That was before AI, when the feds cared about the optics of locking up random white people from different places. The AI can put in the "man" hours making digital hallucinations of DIY ops while the agents go after them, they don't care if it's accurate, they don't care about proving anything in court, and they don't care about the optics.

>>43492751
My ESL brother in Christ, your illiteracy has made you a fool, you literally just agreed with us. We aren't demanding charity.

>>43492771
What does the second half of your post mean?

>>43492786
lmao
amazing

I bought a couple vials, sad to see you go it was always a good product

moonpay is taking forever to send me my ltc, everything is gonna be sold out fuck my faggot lumpentroon life

>>43492241
>>43492286
>>43492366
>>43492467

holy ego. enjoy your next run at symphony. try to hide the rebrand better next time, because you can't larp post on 4chan in a jail cell.

also dont try to dox people when they dont want to fuck you, tea.

>>43493353
>also dont try to dox people when they dont want to fuck you, tea.
wait is that a thing that happened?

>>43493375
no
it's a schizo who thinks every american vendor is the same person

>>43492241
wtf i didnt know there was drama or anything dont leave PLS PLS PLS i love u

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>There are no shipping options available. Please ensure that your address has been entered correctly, or contact us if you need any help.

>>43493479
huh, do you have a weird address or something?

>>43493498
i have the misfortune to live in florida apparently

>>43493498
but no i tried 2 addresses and it worked previously so idk whats with that. tested with other states and maybe it's just the state

Bought a year's stock. I'll miss y'all. You did a great job with the site and getting life saving medicine out to those who need it.

>>43493605
calling hrt life saving medicine is so corny

>>43493647
Stfu

>>43492241
love you too, so long and thanks for all the e :)

Thanks for the E.

Unfortunately with OpenGateLabs gone there's no DIY producer of progesterone in the US. Though I'm still not at the stage of using progesterone yet, I guess by the time I need it i can get a doctor to write a script.

I'm not Tea/OGL but shipping to Florida is no longer a thing because of package seizures. I believe that Hera and Symphony still ships to Florida.

I would suggest people to purchase raws themselves, do a third-party lab test with Janoshik, and then do whatever you want to do with it.

If you don't want to do lab tests then look into estradiol gels which is less work and easy than brewing injections.

Spending less than $500 by making your own stuff is enough to give you more than 80 years worth of estradiol supply than spending $80-$110 or so every year or two

Aurelia Labs does progesterone capsules but those can only be taken orally because they don't melt.

Alle does progesterone sprays.

Symphony Labs is planning on producing progesterone injections but no ETA

... and of course, there is still Inhouse Pharmacy, United Pharmacies, and other places for non-homebrew stuff. IndiaMART for generic meds like SERMs, Test, Estradiol, prog, bica, fin, dut, etc. but be careful with those because there are scams on IndiaMart so it would be best to ask r/TransDIY on Reddit for verified vendors on there

Raws from Alibaba, Made in China, Dragon Ordinance, Purple Panda Labs, Water Lily, etc. will still exist.

>>43493787
I am really just too dumb for the raws and all that to be honest.
Guess I'll bald.

>>43493647
troons are so cringe. I just bought a years supply to treat my hair loss but im pretty sure I could still live without the stuff

>>43493877
Never understood how you cringing at me is supposed to be an own. You're the one who can't keep your spine up in my presence.

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I warned you all this was coming

I guess they're shutting down DIY sources before making it illegal on prescription instead of the other way around

What is this "Symphony" seller I heard of? Does it even exist?

> What is this "Symphony" seller I heard of? Does it even exist?

Yes it exists. There are so many people who make estradiol outside of OGL. Symphony Labs is a DIY homebrewer in USA, CA, EU, UK.

There is a list of DIY suppliers at https://diyhrt.market and https://trans.diy

There are also other DIY suppliers outside of those both websites.

>>43492241
>im helping my zizterz while ensuring a healthy 500% profit margin

>>43493652
fuck alice gon' do?

>>43494045
Wither as I try to navigate obtaining that life saving medicine you were shit talking because I live somewhere it's more difficult to.
Don't care if you think it's "corny".

>>43493479
same in UK, theyve just made a bunch of their products domestic only (excluding florida). im fakin raging m8

There are additional mutual aid sources (aside from the ones listed on DIYHRT.Market) in the United States like
1) https://elle-hrt.pages.dev/
2) https://thecookingshow.org/

They have been third-party tested using a website called https://exogenous.fun. TeaHRT/OpenGateLabs donated money to Exogenous to offer free HRT lab tests

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I ordered some perfume and it came sent by Amazon hidden inside the handle of a tennis racket with a complimentary weird book?? What did they mean by this?

>>43494129
This thread is about menopause ointments not perfume you blogposter

any other vendors do transdermal in/to eu?
struggling out here

For those in Germany, there is Serapharma with Janoshik tests: https://serapharma.net/

^ They only do shipping within EU only and only sell Estradiol Enanthate injections.

@@@

For those in Brazil, there is Anima Mundi: https://animamundi.gr.com/

^ This DIY homebrewer was created as part of a split in Otokonoko Pharmaceuticals. They do injections, gels, patches, and pills. They do ship to United States and European Union (even France/Germany) but you will never know if it's seized without ordering first. I have never ordered from there.

@@@

Aurelia Labs (https://aureliahrt.com/) and Allie (https://allies-site.org/) are also mutual aid suppliers in the United States.

>>43494181
lack of transdermal sprays though :<
i'm gonna try get an american friend to buy it then ship it to me or switch to otokonokos gel i suppose.

>>43492460
bump

this is sad
it is over floridanons

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>>43494293
floridanons and britbongs be lookin like this

>>43491945
>>43491957
>>43492467
>>43493353
>>43494020
No one is prepared for the age "identity" verification movement that is rapidly gaining traction. Online anonymity will soon be a thing of the past. PPL and DO will be the last bastions standing, because the owner is wanted and on the run from the states. The remaining homebrewers are run by mutual aid groups that aren't familiar with the criminal underworld. At the current rate, with new laws and regulations in many countries requiring identification to trade cryptocurrency, send shipments, and purchase biotech materials, becoming a homebrewer would mean counting the months until your operation is compromised.

>>43494373
lmao

>>43494380
The DIY brewers will just go on Tor only and not be clearnet.

Remember you don’t need enough estrogen for your lifetime, just enough to survive the Trump presidency.

>>43494463
You think the Rubio presidency and the Vance presidency are going to going to be soft on troons?

>>43494524
Vance may have been if his old trans college friend was savvy instead of sperging out leaking a bunch of texts with him. Now I have no idea.

>>43494524
Newsom will be the next president.

trump will simply invent a new role called prime minister or something that's lifetime like the supreme court mark my words i'm the first to say this

Florida is basically fucked. Domestic shipments from Hera HRT to Florida are being seized.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransDIY/comments/1t6ak0l/i_believe_my_hera_hrt_order_was_seized_florida/

>>43494541
Lmao
He's going to be the next Dem nominee for sure, but then he'll sperg out on the campaign trail and say something hopelessly calihonky like "open borders are better for everyone", Rubio will say Newsom's for they/them and that'll be it.

>>43494545
Honestly, if he ran for the Senate on the premise of curbing executive overreach it would be incredible. I'd laugh my ass off.

>>43494561
I don't know a single left wing tranny living in florida. I for one am glad those trump voting turncoats are getting ratfucked

>>43494541
newsom 2028 will be fucking disastrous and i hate that hes the only option. if he wins hes a wet fart do-nothing romney democrat who will do everything the gop tells him to while they spin everything he does as communism and that gulags are only 2 weeks away. and then megahitler instantly wins in 2032 and does the same shit but even worse

>>43494628
Vote Megahitler/Minihitler '32

>>43493877
To treat hair loss?? It gives u tits bro?

>>43494561
a number of other posts on sus activity in florida. never heard of domestic seizures like this before. people are speculating florida is the reason for ogl closing shop.

>>43494655
as if most troons have real tits

>>43494682
OGL is based in cali, along with symphony. Hera comes from Chicago.

buy raw estradiol today

>>43494613
Hey I'm right here. Thanks for just assuming I don't exist because of your personal experience though

>>43494692
florida is heavily allied with washington its not like this is a "state matter" for them, they can just report to dc and have them use palantir to destroy them, or do it themselves

>>43494380
yes imo a lot of people don't realize just how fucked everything is
>>43494451
its not just operations but supply chain as well, its very fragile and taken for granted
going onion doesn't solve any of the issues anyways its just moving storefronts

>>43494778
t. left wing but conveniently always doing what republicans want (never voting against their interests ever) okay thank you Jill Stein!

>>43494805
Okay, thanks for confirming you're a troll.

>>43494815
Yeah anybody who believes in practical voting is a troll. Never compromise your ideals even if it means giving your enemies a trifecta! Remember, nothing ever happens and elections don't have consequences!

>>43494820
You have till January 2027 to make estrogen a controlled substance, it requires an act of congress.

Fake presidential orders will not be enforced by liberal states, and gets removed once trump is out of office.

>>43494831
You put words in my mouth for the purpose of shit-stirring. I vote democrat, not that it matters to you, because I confirmed you're trolling, you'll come up for some new method to pretend to impugn me.

>>43494181
kinda upset that anima mundi (they apparently ship 2 USA)says that they have a credit card option that accepts cash app but when I was tryna help someone out pay with it it said it wasn't an option. I wonder if they take other credit card tho. I've been considering buying a vial as an experiment but I'm going through a rough patch and I'm a theyfab that don't need estrogen.

Also I can vouch for aurelia and allie I've helped plenty of girlies get vials from em.

>>43494380
Yep, the internet as we know it is over. All the denialists will say I'm tech illiterate, thereby proving how stupid they are. I don't want to be right, but I am. Sorry but you are all wrong.

>>43494849
I was just quoting what millions of self-described leftists were saying in 2024, sorry if it upsets you that some of us don't have the memory of a goldfish but I'm going to remember the betrayal for a long time and I will keep reminding you of it!

>>43494380
people need to seriously start taking this shit seriously. its genuinely infuriating that nobody talks about this. not in this board, not anywhere outside of RW schizo spaces. palantir is building the infrastructure that will allow them to round up every single tranny they can find and send them to a camp where they will be tortured for fun. start taking your digital privacy seriously NOW. this is not some right wing schizo doomsday conspiracy theory, its real and ignoring it wont make it go away.

>>43494873
>>43494820
This is an internal talk. You are a meddler trying to derail our talk. If you really are curious about those topics, you can find that info online or make your own thread. Otherwise, you are a meddler trying to derail our conversation, and don't warrant a reply.

>>43494896
What's the point of talking if you are not going to address the root cause of right wing extremism. What is the point of leftists that dare not acknowledge the gigantic red elephant in the room?

Since you are a theyfab — https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tr7YydTQeNNtgJ9QfCb9XgN7_q2-O59DPk4Q4jitaJ0/mobilebasic may be useful to you if you wanted to make your clitoris grow longer.

>>43494973
It's amazing how you are still more triggered by theyfabs than the people seizing your mail

>>43494990

Remember that female squirting is pee. Of course, I would be more triggered than theymabs because it is more common to happen to theyfabs.

Enhanced visualization of female squirting (a literature done in Japan): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36000809/
Video from the said literature: https://files.catbox.moe/ppnt7n.mp4

Male squirting: Analysis of one case using color Doppler ultrasonography: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7292083/

I wouldn't want someone's piss (whether they are theyfabs or theymabs) in my bed!

>>43495126
>I get triggered by hypothetical theyfabs peeing in my bed but I would never ever acknowledge the nazi rummaging through my mail

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>>43494883
i thought it was clear as day they're (new money) collapsing society to vacuum up everything for cheap (entrench their influence) while they implement control structures to insulate themselves from resistance and consequences
the freedom and exchange of information enabled by the internet is an issue, or was
precrime has been a thing defence contractors have been marketing for decades, enjoy

>>43494883
>>43495230
they are going to shut this board down next

>>43494883
Also if it does come down to this then remember these words: Don't let them take you alive. Every tranny they round up needs to be a tranny executed on the street so the others can't look away.

>>43495581
just move to /b/ and /r9k/ then

>>43495633
what they'll probably do is require identity verification to post here like in the UK which will kill the activity

>>43491945
>Finally going to stop repping
>Suppliers start shutting down
Well this sucks.

>>43494692
from redditors this morning and last night:
>Florida is is actively seizing packages right now.

>Every DIY source either is specifically not shipping to Florida, or not arriving

>If you're in Florida or the UK, we no longer ship there from the US.
^this one was from an OGL email last night before they announced they will cease operations

>Been noticing some weird shi happening in Florida, can any of you other gals vouch for this?
>I noticed OGL stopped shipping and I did some digging on this sub to confirm that and why... knowing the reason I'm wondering if this has been a problem ordering through other vendors too I'm not really sure what to do at this point

>It is my completely unsubstantiated hypothesis that the reason OGL is shutting down is the Eye of Sauron was directed their way after some of their Florida shipments were intercepted

>I have been having lots of trouble in Florida. Was using OGL and started having lots of issues, I got some of the last vials to Florida before they completely stopped shipping to Florida. It took ages to arrive, and had some odd shipping issues, but eventually got it. Afterwards I tried ordering from HeraHRT and it was seized!

>My leading theory as to why Open gate labs shut down it's because of the amount of people who had their packages seized specifically in Florida I believe and I think a certain eye got turned to them and either they got sent some kind of warning or had a strong suspicion that it was happening and decided to shut down for the safety of the main person running the site and also any potential Brewers or anyone else who works for them

>>43494120
the cooking show is local MA, elle/allie are good. another anon tester like exogenous is artemis analytical

>>43494120
I love em but pls don't put them under pressure/out in the open like dis >>43495126
??????

>>43495581
if they did it'd be more proof they're just retarded which makes me more hopeful but
imo the real value here would be in, again, controlling discourse and the flow of information through disinformation/bot shilling/flooding the zone to kill organic discussion, community coherency and organization, demoralize, further atomize
funny you don't even need many people to kick it off, eventually people self elect to run your agenda for you without even realizing, memetics or whatever

>>43496053
they probably used to do that here and have now since moved onto doing it on ig/tiktok/reddit instead

>>43495581
Please god let it happen

>>43496053
pretty sure that's already what this board has been used for for years. the entire Internet is a (coordinated!) psyop. And it was all planned. Pepe, wojak, why did these things suddenly become the entire Internet monoculture? Started around 2016... ITS NOT A COINCIDENCE

they're already in the walls.
the calls are coming from inside the house.
palantir is a spook... you have already been fully surveiled and caught in the mind web for a decade or more by this point.... soon they will pull the strings tight and cut off the head...

like, you thought "boymoder" "manmoder" "culture" is organic? puh-leez bruh

>>43496721
epstein controlled 4chan while giselle controlled reddit

>>43491945
yeah ok sounds good ive been meaning to anyway
>>43491956
a little but who cares its $30 and i trust

>>43492278
stop being a loser
>>43492415
>doing something more than running a business designed to fill a need in the market
idk what they are doing but it could be actual charity there are others who do that and ive run things at a loss before on purpose you sound like a retard
>>43492701
>fuck the entitled tankie haters
kinda annoying how illiterate people are.
.t tankie lover
>>43492751
charity isnt communist anyway

>>43496053
Max Azarello wrote about the same thing on his blog

>>43497258
im sad i know who that is. did his laptop ever get released?

b-b-but i was told DIY was untouchable...

>>43497258
i think he was right on some things but iirc it was kinda schizobabble and hard to read at some points, like the rant about the simpsons lol
wonder what he'd say about ai lmao

Haven't a ton a people reported that OGL vials have been underdosed as fuck for the past half a year?

>>43499435
is this true? I got some just to top off my stock but when i get to the ogl vials should i dose higher to comp for it?

>>43499435
OGL's been independently lab tested over and over again and their vials come back at or above 39mg/mL every time.


If you're so curious, get one lab tested at jano, exogenous.fun or artemis analytical. If you think that they somehow paid them off, take the label off or transfer some to a new vial first.


Vibes are not reality.

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>>43499732
no
https://artemisanalytical.cc/public-results

>>43499435
trvke if it was a proper dose I would see better results
>>43499759
>>43499769
>fake graphs that dont prove anything

>>43499954
lets see anon's blood results

forever grateful I have a doc that isn't a retard so I can just get vials at the pharmacy for $10 a pop

insane that anyone would willingly take estrogen, something that makes you dumber, weaker, less autonomous, and just generally worse in every single way except softer skin and hair

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransDIY/comments/1t63bje/been_noticing_some_weird_shi_happening_in_florida/okipj6i/
> No joke I think this is due to the grey market peptide industry. I work in the field and all I’ll say is that there is a LOT of pressure on LEO to intercept grey market medication that is pretty nakedly coming from big pharma (namely Lily). BAC water, testosterone, anabolics, grey market pharmaceuticals, and ofc this. The common denominator is that they tend to be much, MUCH better at intercepting liquids over powders or tabs.
Would love to know if the research chem enthusiasts are having similar problems

>>43499954
>fake words that dont prove anything

>>43500069
it opens your heart to receive the raw endless stream of divine feminine love-light, bliss, unity, peace and ecstasy of the Goddess, though

>>43500128
Huh interesting, wouldn't be surprised. I'm not into peptide shit but I saw people complaining about BAC water no longer being available from amazon recently.

>>43500156
then why have only men managed to spiritually ascend throughout all of history? im more spiritually ascended than a woman or transgender ever has been.

>>43499954
retard cant read a chromatogram

>>43500069
to please big strong men like you ofc

>>43500236
very dominant of you to immediately frame spirituality in a hierarchical lens...

>>43500346
can you stop fucking in the OGL shutdown thread

>>43500363
idk, seems appropriate

>>43499954

Back in the days, people posted that AstroVials were underdosing their vials but the people who made those posts never sent their vial to a lab test. So they were basically making shit up and spreading misinformation.

If you think OGL or other homebrewers are underdosing their vials then you should send your vial to a lab test. Janoshik is the world's most popular lab test (even for weight loss peptides like Tirz and Reta)

Some people's metabolism of estradiol might be too slow or too fast. I know someone personally who is on 4 mg of EEn per week and gets 600 pg/mL compared to 99.99% of people who will get 250 pg/mL or below.

>>43500128
nuts that LE is trying so hard to intercept vials of *uncontrolled* substances, meanwhile i received my m-amp adderall presses last week in the mail with literally no issues

>>43500430
its the mct oil, benzyl benzoate and benzyl alcohol

>>43500591
what the fuck does this mean

>>43500659
It is in any case known from other studies that different oil vehicles are absorbed at different rates from the injection site and can result in different concentration–time curve shapes. This is thought to be due to differences in oil lipophilicity and depot release rates. Viscosity of oils has also been hypothesized to potentially influence rate of depot escape. However, research so far has not supported this hypothesis. Oil vehicles can vary with injectable estradiol preparations even for the same estradiol ester. For instance, pharmaceutical estradiol valerate is formulated in sesame oil, castor oil, or sunflower oil depending on the preparation. It is notable however that these three oils have similar lipophilicities. On the other hand, homebrewed injectable estradiol preparations used by DIY transfeminine people often employ medium-chain triglyceride (MCT) oil as the oil vehicle. This oil (in the proprietary form of Viscoleo) has notably been found to be much more rapidly absorbed than conventional oils like sesame oil and castor oil in animals. In addition, although based on very limited data, MCT oil has been found to give spikier and shorter-lasting depot injectable curves in humans. As such, injectable estradiol preparations using MCT oil as the vehicle may have differing and less favorable concentration–time curve shapes than pharmaceutical injectable estradiol products. Other excipients, like benzyl alcohol, as well as factors like injection site and volume, have additionally been found to influence pharmacokinetic properties with depot injectables. Excipients besides oil vehicle also vary by formulation.

>>43500582
There's nothing more important to a tyrant than thought control. The Heritage Foundation wants to hinge their tyranny on a 'judeo-christian' culture, which means anyone who defies it is a state enemy in their view. Trans people are simply the most vulnerable group in defiance of the culture/worldview they want to use to solidify control, so anything they like or do gets the most attention and attacks.

>>43494380
yep this its absolutely infuriating. normies dont even fucking realize or care. barely anyone is actually standing against it and those that do are painted as schizos and pedos its fucking suifuel. so we all just get to sleep walk into dystopia. what a cursed age to be born into.

>>43500718
big hormone here chiming in.

Carrier oil absolutely does effect pharmacokinetic properties. What effects it to an even greater extent though is large amounts benzyl benzoate. If you think MCT is thin and uptaken quickly, look at how fast BB is absorbed.

There are certainly some psychological impacts of rapidly spiking E levels directly after an injection. I'm wondering if people are comparing to vials that are 40% BB as the solubility of the ester is much higher in the BB, so as a fraction most of it would reside there, and be uptaken faster than MCT. The volume people inject on DIY is also significantly smaller, which has impact.


It's the reason why undec in MCT is such a waste and why I pushed castor oil so hard for it.

Regardless, spiking levels is not a good thing for injectables. If people want to psyop about vials being underdosed, I have yet to see a single lab test for a vial showing anything but levels within a reasonable margin of error.

I unironically believe with good reason behind it that for; Enanthate/valerate/cypionate the amount of BB has a greater effect on half life than the carrier oil of choice.

Undec is a special case, that one seems to matter significantly more. For reference I haven't injected in 9 months and my levels are still above 150pg/mL.


TLDR: viscocity is a factor here, but the larger thing influencing that is benzyl benzoate.

Anyway, good post.

>>43500829
also selfreply

one MCT source is not equal to another. Some is thinner, has different ratios of c6, c8, c10, c12 etc than others. This matters too.

The shorter ones tend to be a bit more burny and have that spike, the longer ones are a bit thicker and tend to be tollerated better.

>>43500745
yeah... TC(onservative)D! stupid evil christofascists...

>>43500829
the post in question is copied straight from here

transfemscience(.)org/articles/injectable-e2-meta-analysis/#data-quality-limitations-and-variability-between-studies

also i agree about carrier oils in undec, i think whats being discussed right now is OGL and accusations of "underdosing" with no evidence behind them.

>>43500850

thats why high quality excipients are important :)

>>43500829
>big hormone here chiming in.
lol what
this >>43500718 is from transfemscience btw

>>43500891
"big hormone" is referring to who this thread is about

>>43500875
Well there's non-judeo-christian conservatives now, but their issue is that they tend to be highly vibes based, reationary, and thus get lead around their nose by the Heritage Foundation and other mainstream power groups. Like your average internet conservative hates trannies because they blame us for fucking videogames, or saw some news story on social media, and base their entire opinion and viewpoint on subjects based on shit like that. The actual facts don't mean anything to them, just how worked up they can get about loony tronnies covering up videogame titties or fucking whatever.

>>43500876
>>43500829

I want to use castir oil when making Undecylate, but the viscosity makes it a nightmare, and idk how to do vacuum filtration

>>43500898
lmao
small ego

>>43494563
open borders polluted my ubereats with 100 dirty taco holes

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>>43500945

yeah 0.22 vacuum filtration with castor is a bitch if you want it to take less than a few hours with one vacuum filter. if you want large scale find smth better than vacuum.

>>43500947
somewhat rightfully

>>43500128
What makes people cope like this with zero evidence?

>>43492241
>curse the trolls, peace to everyone else

>>43501008
it makes sense though, trans diy has been a thing for ages but the peptide thing is pretty new and went mainstream recently, and is way more popular than trans diy

>>43501035
That isn't evidence.

>>43501152
there's no evidence either way
it's a theory, not evidence.

>>43492286
Who the fuck do you think you are to yell at other people for being skeptical of gray market businesses that are impossible to hold accountable?

>>43500829
>I'm wondering if people are comparing to vials that are 40% BB
diy doesnt use any?

Gonna be honest, OGL vials have been some of the "worse" E I've taken. This is 110% anecdotal but something about their stuff has caused me to consistently need to overdose or suffer from shit levels, something that has not happened across 3+ other suppliers ranging from inhouse to Lena.

Maybe it's the oil, maybe there's some sort of bad quality checking lately, I'm glad I'm not insane and some others have reported this too.

>>43502868
again more concern trolling. Send your vial in for testing and watch it come back fine.

Your anecdotes are not evidence, trans people are some of the most fickle and find problems where there arn't any.

>>43502690
It doesn't anymore. It used to across the board. OGL popularized bb free, now everyone new or even slightly established copied them.

OGL EEn made my gock hard

>>43502907
Girl do you be sitting here waiting for people to say shit about OGL so you can respond lmao

jamie won

>>43502936
who is that and what did they win?

>>43502936
Nah, she sat on the sidelines until the ball game ended and took credit for it.

>>43500782
this

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>>43491945
>open gate
>closes

OGL make my booba grow

ah

A new post on Reddit titled "Police called me and seized my vials (Florida)"

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransDIY/comments/1t7d5sj/police_called_me_and_seized_my_vials_florida/

>>43503883
Closed Gate Labs coming soon

>>43506918
They know it’s estrogen but they will pretend to think it’s an illicit controlled substance to get away with bullying trannies. They’re having a laugh for sure.

>>43494683
bröh

IDK how people diy I'd be afraid girls were putting heavy metals in there.

>>43500236
lel.. you on week 3 nofap or something?

>>43493787
>Spending less than $500 by making your own stuff is enough to give you more than 80 years worth of estradiol supply than spending $80-$110 or so every year or two
How long can you even keep that stuff and still use it? Haven't tried myself, but they usually give it 3 years or so.

>>43507212

Raw powders from China are shelf-stable and last decades when stored in heat-sealed mylar bags with an oxygen absorber.

If you are brewing injectables, you will have to replace your MCT/Castor Oil and Benzyl Alcohol every 2 or 3 years to prevent it from getting rancid/bad.

idk how this platform works but, typically api's are indefinitely, whereas hormones dissolved in oil, last for only 2-5 years as that is the expiration of oil so it doesn't go rancid. Don't inject oil older than 3 desu, unless u want free radicals uwu

edit: why r the captchas so hard ;sob:

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>>43494451
>tor
>software sponsored by the United States military to hide agents among drug dealers
>high profile criminals are consistently caught while using it
no correlation, obviously they had poor opsec

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you guys should buy Lenzetto
It's estradiol spray
I do 2 pumps on my balls every 24 hours
Shit works, doing mono, E 300+
give it a try
It's Hungarian tech so must be good
I mean if u make Barbara Palvin then what can't you make?
In The United USA of the States of America it's called Evamist btw
Let's goo!! Estradiol ball spray!!!
Remember to moisturize ur balls, I use a dexpantenol ointment

>>43507212
dont make it all at once lol
raws are essentially shelf stable for your whole lifetime unless youre storing improperly or you live to 150
vials are usable for approx 3 years if stored properly, prior to puncturing seal. good for approx 1.5 years after puncturing (dependent on storage), which is part of the reason we usually distribute smaller vials (that and coring)
my recommendation is to brew as you need, maybe with a buffer of 1 or 2 vials. i personally brew a larger volume and distribute the extra for mutual aid, which means i de facto have a pretty big buffer in the form of undistributed stock, but this is probably not worth it for most trannies.

>>43507400
>>43509385

I keep my diy powder in the original bag, wrapped in foil, in a clean empty coffee jar, will it be ok?

>>43507400
dont u need a laborator to make raws into something injectable??

>>43509595
you're much better off making gel, safer and easier

>>43509624
but dont u still need a laborator?

>>43509645
you'd need far less than for making injections

>>43509556
if youre deoxygenating should be fine. also in a cool place. humidity control is less important as long as your jar has a good seal