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Mari~

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My WIFE and her greasy, slimy, unwashed fart spewing ponut!

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>>43262306

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sselawf

>>43262306
That playlist of music is inaccurate, both the "This Day Aria" and "My Life Would Suck Without You" are wrong. Here are the correct versions:
https://youtu.be/Rp6yqNG60_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkDng1-CCyA

>>43262376
It's mostly referencial. I'm not even sure who keeps updating it to be honest.

>>43262382
Well, hopefully someone finds it helpful, that particular version of this day aria can be tough to find if you don't know to look in the description of the deleted video on the tamers archive.

>>43262389
Or it used to be, I just looked it up on YouTube and it's like the third result now so I guess it's not an issue anymore lol

>>43262371
Dumb idiota

>>43262391
It's also one of the few songs that Tamers lists in the episode credits.

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>>43262371
BLACK

Chokers instantly make femoids look hot

>>43262434
I love Flora but I felt that she didn't have a lot of substance in ToP outside of the fanservice, it was nice faservice but I just want to see more of the character side of her, you know?

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>>43262511
The only characters she really has connections with are all side characters like Sonia and her sisters, getting lusted for by Aleena sometimes and tried to be Knuckles friend a couple times. She's a very fringe character.
SU is the Sonic and Bartleby show so they and characters close to them are the ones who get screen time. I don't see her ever being friends with Sonic or Bartleby so the only time she'd really get to shine is in slice of life episodes focusing on Sonia like the last time she had a big spot light on her.
I'm happy about seeing glimpses of her being cute doing something funny like talking about being really religious and hating gays but I doubt she's going to get a real serious focus.

>Alicorn of Death originally had a brony musician song
>the two tamers have a public fight and temporarily use separate channels
>eventually AoD is reuploaded to the main channel
>song replaced with Linkin Park
>never does a collab with a brony musician again
Is this really the reason they fought?

>>43262681
The fight was months before alicorn of death.

>>43262681
It's a huge part I think. Stallion Tamers was getting into some weird controversies with him stealing OC's from the musicians twitter retweets or writing his episodes around their songs- which ended up giving them more views than he got on his own work.

>>43262631
Just wait until Tamers makes Flora's Very Own Episode where she pervs over Sonia and the universe shits on her for being a weird blue pixie nigger.

>>43262708
Has the original artist said anything about that? The one that supposedly got their designs stolen.

>>43262708
>Which ended up giving them more views than he got on his own work.
There's no way to know with the channel deletions. Also that's what a collab is for. The musicians get their hands dirty by asociating with Tamers because most people think he's problematic media anyways. There's plenty of fan music stallion Tamers hasn't used. Afaik mare Tamers hasn't used any of the Flawless fansongs out there. I don't think the conflict that happened during AoD was due to the musicians' involvement. Otherwise they wouldn't still be working on Tamers-related projects to this day.

>>43262314
>>43262333
Neither of whom appears in the short lol.

>>43262681
The initial issue began when Dr. Robotnik Has Had ENOUGH and Sonia Get Suspended aired. The discourse around those episodes was toxic as fuck and derailed Tamers threads for a while and it may have unfortunately got to them. Then they started making MLP videos and the Two Tamers discussion went from a mere fan theory to a barometer of how someone received an episode. The unnecessary Tamers 1 and 2 console wars are what got us here, not some faggy musicians.

>>43262802
>The initial issue began when Dr. Robotnik Has Had ENOUGH and Sonia Get Suspended aired
Can you elaborate on this? What's wrong with those episodes?

I know it's kind of a ha ha funny bit that there are like five vampire characters now and none of them are Fluttershy, the actual canonical MLP vampire, but I want Tamers to give her something for me to care about other than just being mean to her friends. It's crazy that we've gone this long and she's got NOTHING. Even Applejack has her strained relationship with the Apple family to fall back on, narratively. Espresso just started playing on the radio while I was typing this, thanks vampires.

>>43262802
>The discourse around those episodes was toxic as fuck
why??
How DARE tamers out out a good episode, right?

>>43262807
I don't get what that guy's saying, those episodes were very well received, with only one or two vocal dissenters for each, they were even neck and neck for that year's fan-voted awards, with Doctor Robotnik Has Had ENOUGH winning by only one vote (funnily enough, the dissenter for that episode accused that episode's reception of being astroturfed, and said the strawpoll for Episode of the Year was botted, only for the pollmaker to disprove those claims)

Robotnik has had enough is in the top 10 best Tamers episodes ever

>>43262959
That's what I thought. I was around during the time of Robotnik has had enough and I don't recall anything bad in particular. But my memory is really bad so maybe Im missing something.
What I do remember is the ammount of doxxing and bullshit from certain individuals. The discourse about dramatic anime-ish stuff vs full comedy has been there for years tho.
But I don't get it. Both of those episodes had that plentiful. Only difference is that they were so well paced they became stapples of what a good episode is post Battle with the Boys or Summer Camp.

>>43262971
It's my top 1.

Doctor Robotnik Has Had Enough was what solidified Tamers as being geniuses, IMO. I always knew there was a light shining under all the shitposty exterior but that was the first time where I truly understood the vision. Easily my pick for top SU episode. Maybe too good, It got me so invested in Tamers' SU that I refused to engage with the Pony stuff until pretty late last year and I feel like I kind of missed the boat here.

>>43263277
That episode also it's what got me invested as well. For very similar reasons. But the pony stuff isn't that far behind for me. I've always wondered what they could do if they fully committed to a plot. Stallion Tamers does this well for me, despite all my nitpicks. But I can't deny the episodes I've rewatched the most are the comedy focused ones from mare Tamers that have a more loose continuity. There's something so compelling about these two opposite ways to go about their content.

>>43263319
Oh yeah, I definitely kick myself pretty damn hard for putting off the pony stuff for as long as I have. I figured that since I don't care about or know anything about MLP that I would just wait for them to go back to SU. Turns out the pony stuff is everything that makes Tamers' work special cranked up to 11. I'm of the opinion that the angsty melodramatic anime romance bullshit and crude edgy humor both elevate each other by how willing they are to commit to the bit and play everything so straight. The SU stuff didn't have enough of the former and DW's weak on the latter, but MLP is the total package.

>>43263370
This contrast is also one of the major reasons, I feel, that makes Care Package's Dad work so well as a character. In any other work, he wouldn't be all that special but since he's juxtaposed against all the pettiness and wacky cruelty of the rest of Tamers's Equestria, it makes his calm demeanor and straightforward kindness shine brighter. This, in turn, makes it all the funnier when he's caught off guard by Apple Bottom's antics ("daddy, can you pass the salt?" or their two major scenes together in Bad Influence)

In conclusion, Tamers is an artist of contrast. Thank you.

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>>43263408
That's some massive dedication for a character that doesn't even have a proper name lol
But more power to ya lad.
But I getcha on one thing. Characters who aren't particularly assholes or sex freaks are rare in Tamers. They're usually the most level headed ones. They stand out like a sore thumb in a sea douchebags.
That's why favorite characters are Sleet and Soarin, although last year I switched to Arinos. Soarin is nice but he's not as fun to draw.

>>43263426
Sleet, my Beloved. One day, we will return.

I do wish we had a name for him, I tire of having to type out Care Package's Dad every single time. I just find the combination of his contrast w/ the rest of the world plus his uniquely high potential for angst and drama to be highly compelling. Soarin and Braeburn was, by far, the most emotionally intense episode in the series and I'm still chasing that high. He has such a high capacity for suffering and I need tamers to HURT that horse.

>>43263444
>I tire of having to type out Care Package's Dad every single time
CPD

>>43263448
Idk, I feel it's too ambiguous. I usually prefer Mr. Package, as that's the best shorthand we get with any in-text precedent (Apple Bottom's mother, Bad Influence), but even then, it's shaky.

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>>43263444
Soarin and Braeburn felt like an actual finale. Really well paced and honestly really damn cool.
I gotta give it more brain but I think it might be my favorite stallion episode.
It's just something I never expected Tamers to ever do. I started to do more fan art ever since.

>>43263448
>>43263455
I think somebody came up with Ashtray or smth like that for a potential name. I recall Tamers saying he liked it during a premiere.

>>43263458
Yeah, I first watched all of the MLP stuff in one thirty-hour sitting. The only real break I took was after Soarin and Braeburn; I just sat staring at my screen for three hours straight, digesting what I just witnessed. Shit fucked me up. Nearly everyone I've introduced the series to has legit cried at that episode. I never expected that from the fecal funny Sonic Underground guys and is one of the reasons I'll never forgive myself for doubting them after the pivot to pony stuff. That being said, I do think Infection might teeeechnically be a better episode in terms of pacing, the amount of character arcs it's juggling, etc., even if it's not as genuinely gut wrenching as S&B.

Gee golly, I sure hope my expectations ain't too high for Quarantine. Surely that's not setting myself up for disappointment.

>>43263471
I like Infection but wish Friendship and Arinos had more appearances before the big movie. I can understand Friendship's motivations and wanting to get the magic back. But Arinos came out of nowhere and there's never an explanation to why he knows what he knows. I feel like time travel diminishes the importance of what's at stake and I can be here nitpicking every inconsistency but overall I think that the Soarburn arc had a simpler setup and enough time to develop through the first season.

>Surely that's not setting myself up for disappointment.
I roll with whatever as long as it's funny or cool. But most importantly. Sincere. So I go into stuff without expecting anything.
Sooner or later they will always deliver the goods.

Yujiro Hanma is in Tekken 8 now. Koh, I demand you draw another Yujiro vs Bartleby to celebrate the occasion.

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>>43263494
Sure bud, lemme put it into the pile of ideas. I'll draw it and then forget I did until ya remind me again :^)
Man I wish I could nail my ass to the chair and draw forever godfuckingdammit.

>>43263491
The sincerity is 100% the secret sauce that makes Tamers's work work. The big Arinos thing that bugs me is his appearance in Care Package's flashback at the beginning of Twilight Sparkle Fights A Clown. like, what was that about? He's created in Infection, sealed in the knife, sent back in time, then released in TSFAC and the plot continues like normal. When did he have the time to end up that far in the past? I feel like there's supposed to be some kind of implication with that scene but nothing's come of it yet. Is he the reason Care Package is the way he is or something? Hopefully this gets touched on later. That being said, I only just now noticed that it makes no sense for him to be around post-Infection if he got sent back in time. Oh well, time plots are infamously annoying to deal with and Tamers' strength as a writer is centered around his character work, anyway, so it doesn't really matter if any of that is consistent. I'm just stuck thinking about what that first shot of Arinos was intended to imply.

i want belle to sit on my lap with that plump doughy ass of his. i want my legs to go numb.

>>43263501
oh damn you posted it, lol.

>>43263501
Even after all these years, CWC delivers. Gold.

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>>43263505
>The big Arinos thing that bugs me is his appearance in Care Package's flashback at the beginning of Twilight Sparkle Fights A Clown

You and me buddy. You and me.
I've gave this lots of though before so the only conclusion I can reach is that it's an unfinished plotpoint.
During Infection I found odd how Soarin feels so compassionate towards Care Package with how little he knows him and with how much he antagonized him. So I was thinking maybe that "deleted" scene could be Arinos showing Soarin what Care Package's life was like or smth. Instead of that he goes like "I searched ya up on google".
Why would he do that? No clue. Maybe that's why he didn't go for that idea.

>>43263512
Oh, wow, I never considered that. A Christmas Carol-y scene of Arinos guiding Soarin around could have gone insanely hard.

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I know people are gonna roll their eyes at this take, but I don't care because I want Tamers to see this. The reason his series is losing views is how hard some of you guys push stallions. Early on his videos had the same feeling as the original cartoon because the emotional core was centered around mares. And you need mares front and center for the atmosphere to feel distinctly pony.
And as always a fan projects is slowly being buried under layers of fandom influence. And yeah, I’m sorry, but a lot of that influence come from bronies wanting stallions and self-insert characters shoved into everything. Especially seen with these musician OCs.
You can literally prove it by looking at what people actually click on. Go sort videos by popularity on YouTube. The thumbnails are mares. The iconic fan animations are mares. The viral songs are usually centered around mares. Twilight, Rainbow Dash, Princess celestia, ect. Those characters will carry this fandom forever because they are eternally relevant. Flawless has this same feeling because she's a mare. Someone like Care Package will always be for a niche crowd because the general audience doesn't want some sausage fest made for gay dude bros in their basement, for which the Stallion episodes have become.

And the saddest part is I honestly think it's drained the life out of one of the Tamers too. He obviously wants to move on to Dandy's world but he realizing he's creating specials for this small, niche audience of guys that he aggressively pulled by accident when he started collaborating with MEN and and used MALE CHARACTERS in place of WOMEN, which severely pushed women away, because it made them feel like they're in a space where they aren't the main characters anymore. Mare Tamers was actually smart because he dared to be different by making his own OC a female, and his OCs advocate for mare rights. And that mitigates some of the hurt. So yeah, use more mares.

Went back and watched the bowling epsiode, it's insane how good early tamers mlp was when it was more like SU.

The newer OC slop is really boring in comparison.

>>43263555
The most recent MLP episode is basically indistinguishable from pre-DoTS

Tamers does what Tamers wants
>>43263568
>"They're already pre-judging me. Open the wagon and let me back in!"
Belle is growing on me. Need more /ss/

>>43263458
>Really well paced
Your attempt to ragebait me is admirable, I however cannot be baited

>>43263552
>The reason his series is losing views is how hard some of you guys push stallions.
Lately the only reason MLP is down in views is because the channel deletions and MLP not being relevant enough compared a beast of a fandom like Dandy's which is the new big thing (Also considering that for bronies Tamers is old news. He's been making MLP vids for 2 years at this point). Most people here don't like the stallions but they get an episode every 2 to 3 months now so I don't think they're the reason of any lose of viewership.
The MLP fandom as a whole has a bias towards the mares that's as much as I can gather. For obvious reasons.
But I'm going to be completely honest and tell you I don't give a fuck. I like the stories he makes not because of the views or the mayority liking a thing over the other. People are allowed to enjoy whatever they see fit. Some people just don't like stallions and that's it. He could make the greatest stallion episode ever but still people won't like it because of stallions. The channel is getting more views per episode than ever with Dandy's. DoTS had almost half a million views at it's peak before the original channel was nuked. But I wouldn't say peak Dandy's episodes are better than peak MLP ones (At least for now). And hardly comparable to SU too.
Would you even consider the possibility that he simply enjoys writing stories with the characters he creates and that's why he keeps making more videos about it? There was plenty of opportunities for Tamers to lean to complete fanservice but at the end of the day they just do whatever they want. And that has been the only constant since SU, MLP and now Dandy's.
So I just don't get why people care so much about the views. Heck I get why they would care about it as creators but why would you?

>>43263552
If you want Tamers to actually see this maybe just send it to his DM's???
Even if he lurks I dont think he's gonna read whole ass paragraphs of people here arguing about red vs blue type of shit

>>43263552
>which severely pushed women away

Isn't the stallion plotline's viewership mostly women? Wasn't that part of the whole Alicorn of Death two Tamers confirmation tweet? Also, just a strange read on Marionette considering the metatextual context surrounding her archetype in relation to greater fan culture but go off, I guess.

>>43263655
No Tamers said most women are here for Mari

>>43263655
>>43263659
Stallion's plotline has the gay and fujos audience.
Mare's plotline has the male and lesbian audience.

>>43263568
It was really good other than the OCs showing up and taking up screen time being annoying and retarded here and there.

>>43263552
I can't speak to historic viewcounts since I didn't watch MLP pre-channel deletion but as of the current channel Big Mac Goes to College has a near 20k lead on Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash Break Up while only being 2 weeks older than it. Real Housewives of Ponyville also outperformed Pinkie's Ski Trip, Baking Halloween Cookies, and Trixie Meets Twi's Parents despite being 1-3 months newer than those episodes. The two lowest stallion episodes (Bad Influence/Alicorn of Death) are at 54-51k views while the two lowest mare episodes (Tournament of Power/RD Takes Matters into Own Hands) sit at 41-39k. AoD is arguably the worst performing of those, given that it had a 2+ month lead, but the other three episodes all aired within a month of each other. There's also the age restriction factor on certain episodes, notably AoD and RD Takes Matters etc., but I have no real way to account for that beyond simply acknowledging it. Finally, while it's not by a significant margin, the most popular episodes on the Tamers Pony Archive channel are stallion ones. For the sake of disclosure I also prefer the mares to the stallions but I don't see the stallions holding back or negatively impacting the series as a whole. Considering that the last three episodes have all been mares I'm feeling pretty well served.

>>43263690
AoD also has a shaky history regarding the 2nd channel and getting reuploaded.

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>>43263471
>Nearly everyone I've introduced the series to has legit cried at that episode
The only moment in the show that made me cry was when Derpy got screwed over by Dashie, Fluttershy, and Pinkie in "Pinkie Pie And Rainbow Dash Break Up".

I hope Derpy gets the chance to kill them someday.

>>43263690
The older MLP stuff was hitting 100k thobiet, the OC shit is dragging it down on both the yuri and yaoi sides.

>>43263696
No episode made me cry. But the end scene of Sweety Belle in love when Flawless brings pizza in the hopes to surprise her friends and then getting rejected got me genuinely sad. Made me remember some bullshit.

>>43263505
>>43263512
My interpretation of this scene was that this takes place at the point where Soarin and Care Package travelled back in time to see the night of the murder. Arinos was always with Soarin when he time travelled, so they were probably there too. I have my own opinions on the fact that Care Package was visited by the dysphoria clown in the middle of the night as a child and then refused to ever mention it for twenty years and doesn't even talk to or about them when they show up spontaneously in his life after he meets an earth pony who desperately wants to be called by a different name and change their body and use magic but I don't think the thread is ready for that

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>but Dr. Robotnik Has Had ENOUGH and Sonia Gets Suspended are highly acclaimed episodes, the issues couldn't have started there
As much as I agree the two episode are top tier (SGS being in my top three) it looks like most people didn't read the Tamers 2 twitter post before AoD came out. He explicitly mentions the two episodes being the beginning of them butting heads.

>>43263690
>I don't see the stallions holding back or negatively impacting the series as a whole
Stallions creates a very low ceiling when it comes to views in general. The typical audience doesn't watch My Little Pony for stallions so focusing on them automatically cuts potential growth off at the head.

>>43263552
nice copypasta

>>43263769
>it looks like most people didn't read the Tamers 2 twitter post before AoD came out. He explicitly mentions the two episodes being the beginning of them butting heads.
Would you happen to have a screenshot of this?

>>43263769
He never mentions SU in that post.
He only mentioned how the stallion focused episodes like Infection and Outbreak got all the views in the old channel. And how the same it's happening with Dandy's on the current one. Also that the difference of audience caused most of the tension.

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>>43263793
>>43263794
Well fuck I found it but I guess I misremembered. Ignore my retardation.

>>43263690
Also to add to this, in Alicorn of Death's defence, it was reuploaded over the weekend after having its original music removed. So it doesn't have the views from when it was originally premiered on the other channel, and also reuploads with the original music are stealing its views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEWM8ioWIk8
Not to mention with the Ski Trip video was uploaded 5 days later instead of waiting the typical 2 weeks at that time. Basically Alicorn of Death had a lot going against it both with the algorithm, and irl drama and would have way more views otherwise

Parcel Core was and still is a dumb addition

>>43263825
He will stay dumb until #13420 tries to bring him back to the hood to subject him to hardcore snu-snu.

>>43263836
You know, with all these new kids around, I'm surprised he hasn't gone in with the new generation type of plot. To be fair, I suppose I could understand if he's hesitant to do that, it's the OC show after all, but I think there's potential there.

>>43263845
There can't be a new generation because they're all gay.

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>>43263845
That's what I've been waiting for. Seeing how his oc(s) interact with the world is a treat.
>belle getting teased by the flower trio
>#13420 trying to make friends
>flawless in general
>mari getting beat up because of her feminism
The yaoi oc's need more time in the oven. Less drama, more slapstick. The Wedding of SoarBurn is amazing because of the humor.

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>>43263845
>Flawless
>Arinos
>Friendship
>#13420
>Parcel Core
>???
Who will be the 6th of the New Gen 6?

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>>43263914
her

>>43263770
people who are jerking off to mares and aren't just enjoying the autism/drama are a small minority anon

>>43263914
>Flawless is Shawn Michaels
>Arinos is Doink
>Friendship is '96 Mankind
>#13420 is 1-2-3 Kid
>Parcel Core is Undertaker with the bat wings

>>43263914
Derpy's daughter.

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these two were made for hot yuri cousin sex

I miss fluttershy's old voice even though it was dogshit

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We know trixie is still a vampire, but is twilight still a warewolf? It seems ambiguous
If we get a stallion episode before twilight gets cured, then that would confirm/disconfirm 2 timelines. But maybe not, since its so ambiguous

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>>43263914
Showstopper :,)

name your favorite tamers12345 pony oc RIGHT NOW

>>43263501
It really does look like he sucking a massive horse dick here.

>>43264008
fwaless and arinos are tied for me

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>>43263934
>Parcel Core is Undertaker with the bat wings
kek
>>43263951
I wish we had a non-futa version of the art of #13420 huffing Flawless' hairy armpits. I don't mind futa but it would still be nice

>>43264008
flawless is the only one that isn't utter stinky shit. Apple split and care package aren't technically ocs.

>>43264008
Flawless, Arinos, Mari and Glim

>>43264008
Flawless ez
>>43264049
Can you really include Glim tho? Is tamers' characterization of her really that different form the show?

>>43264008
Flawless, Fractured, 134230, Trixiebelle, and Arinos.

>>43263977
She got fangs and became fluffy when it turned night so yeah she is.

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>>43264008
#13420

>>43263990
Unironically Showstopper is such a great name. The irony of his personality vs his origins makes it work.

>>43262631
the mindy episodes were hilarious, i miss the stupid but actually funny comedy eps from SU that dont try to hardsell a ship or fanservice

Tamers is genuinely W faps, especially if you have a fetish he is giving fan service too

>>43264143
Are you gonna rape him

>>43263903
yaoi eps are basically reduced to specials at this point because of dandy so I doubt we'll ever get that kind of (implicit, built up) depth from his characters again
i personally wish we had gotten more of arinos' autism before the split, could've rivaled flawless

>>43263977
Two timelines is canon by default already.
If Stallion timeline can have Twilight's funeral without Trixie or Flawless I no longer expect any kind of effort to maintain a single continuity.

>>43263825
Agree, but I'm open to coming around on him. As much as I've sucked Stallion Tamers off in this thead, AoD was kind of a mess. The pacing is all over the place, and Parcel Core's introduction was botched as hell. The concept they were trying to do with him being this big raid boss that everyone throws themselves at, only to get mulched didn't really work with the constraints tamers is working under. Instead of establishing him as a new threat, it felt more like everyone else was hella incompetent. I hope that his future interactions with Care Package's Dad fleshes him out and further justifies his existence.

The ending and Sombra's subplot were great, though.

While I'm complaining about stallion eps, Big Mac Goes to College is wayyyy too heavy and the emphasis on the melodrama and lack of levity severely drags that one down. Clean Sweep loses so much sympathy from me when his entire role in the narrative seems to be solely to stir up conflict between Big Mac and Future Soarin. I don't know what it says about me that I'm more excited to see Prof. Kirin appear in future episodes than Clean Sweep. At least he doesn't drag the tone into the ditch every time he's on screen.

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>>43262306
>Timelines Updated.
>Neutral episodes in a single row to avoid confusion.

>>43264181
>I'm more excited to see Prof. Kirin appear in future episodes than Clean Swee
That'll always be the best statement on how badly Clean Sweep was received; when his literal abusive gay rapist got more love and attention from fans than he did.

Is it the voice? To me, Clean Sweep's is the second worst pick for a voice by tamers, the first being Knuckles new voice seriously that shit was so bad and I'm sorry tamers didn't like the negative reception but that was a seriously L decision, imagine to trying to remove Knuckles iconic "bitch" that always has that awkward pause

I stopped watching regularly around soarin and braeburn, what episodes after that are worth watching?

>>43263805
mare tamers just needs to focus more on the side characters, we've had 400 episodes of twixie domestic lesbian violence with houlier than thou attitudes, meanwhile every time twilight's family comes on screen or pinkie pie or derpy or chrysalis or the fillies or suri/coco it's actually kino. it's just like back during SU

>>43264200
The flora revoice was also really bad, it's way less cute. And clean sweep's voice is intollerable.

>>43264209
Pinkie bowling is the BEST episode and it's not close because it has the best characters all taking center stage

>>43264205
See >>43264187 or >>43263987 and pick your favorite series

>>43264212
Unfortunately doesnt have the best record for picking new voices but the new Applejack one is good and the new Fluttershy voice is apparently divided but I liked it too.
I liked Cosmo's actual voice actor, i wouldn't mind his return. In any other show, their delivery would be considered sleepy or lazy but it actually fit in perfectly with the TTS voices

>>43264215
It also has JOKES and doesn't have fucking boring ass played out drama. It's literally the perfect SoL MLP tamers episode.

>>43264200
The voice doesn't help in the slightest, yeah. Mostly it's the drama farming, the constant trauma dumping, and the annoying mannerisms. it's a shame, because he's probably the most fleshed out character in terms of mannerisms and voice (in a writing sense), his lines are probably the easiest to pick out in text because of this, it's just that they're all grating as shit. I keep going on about how the thing that makes tamers' work work is the way they balance the melodrama with humor and how those two aspects bounce off of each other, but Sweep is severely lacking in good comedic moments. the best I can think of is in housewives where Arinos mentions how he can't stand fake bitches then immediately greets Sweep as though he wasn't just shit talking him.

Meanwhile, Kirin's appearances outside of his debut have pretty much all been great. I mentioned in the last thread how much I love the gag about him being carded for being a manlet from Housewives.

i like clean sweep, but i understand why people wouldnt fuck with him because hes basically a helluva boss character. he has potential

>>43264212
There was the Flora revoice in the Summer Camp episode when he was testing AI voice synthesis and the Flora revoice in the Tournament of Power because he lost the.old voice model and forgot to check the archive. Both seem to be one time things anyways so I don't really sweat over it.

>>43264257
Yeah, I don't want to hate him, I don't want to dislike anything Tamers makes. maybe he needs to shit and fart more, maybe that would help. We can only hope the big upcoming movie turns him around for us.

>>43264267
My theory is that Prof. Kirin has wrecked his butthole with is massive midget penis so many times that he is unfortunately unable to.

>>43264271
Damn, perhaps we judged Sweep too harshly.

>>43264250
>Sweep is severely lacking in good comedic moments
I did like his grand entrance in Alicorn of Death, all geared up to save the day and then realizes there's nothing he can do against Parcel Core before getting splattered.

>>43264181
I kinda felt this way about Parcel Core initially, but I started warming up on rewatches. He's kind of the epitome of a character that's not supposed to exist, even on a meta level, and his appearance is really abrupt and not super well built up to, and his demise is ultimately not because of the efforts of the majority of the combatants, but because he's rejected by his parents for that same lack of buildup. He's their son in name and by blood, but he hasn't had the life with them a son would normally have. Then, on the way out, his cool facade totally shatters, and the "epic oc" vibe he started with is stripped away as he's dragged into hell. Ironically, though, this outburst gives him ten times more character than the battle did, and I can't help but wonder if that's intentional. I like him a lot now.

>>43264338
AoD's pacing issues, in a macro sense, have more to do with the 0-100 from the therapy session to the carepocalypse. an abrupt shift like that could have still worked if it was lubed a bit better with humor, maybe, but it felt weird. I could be wrong but, until Housewives, the stallion episodes had been getting less funny. There's some smaller scale pacing issues with Parcel Core's introduction that are probably what's contributing to how jobber-y everybody else felt in that scene, but I feel Tamers did the best that he could with what he had there. It was always going to be a hard sell establishing Parcel Core in the constraints he's working under. All of that being said, the main thing I'm looking forward to ATM are the upcoming Parcel Core/Care Package's Dad shenanigans, so it's not like I hate the critter or anything. He's no Clean Sweep.

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>>43263690
I think it should be worth noting that Stallion Tamers purposefully tried to hide mare Tamers videos and never let him promote on the front page up until Trixie & Trixiebelle. A video which stallion Tamers wasn't even going to let him upload. That is until Mare Tamers went to Twitter and made the situation public. So there's obviously sabotage going on behind the scenes with views and I doubt we'll ever get truly accurate numbers.

>>43264367
>have more to do with the 0-100 from the therapy session to the carepocalypse.
This is a direct consequence of the entire therapy session idea being a lift from Death of Twilight Sparkle and it appropriately comes off just as soulless and uncreative as you would expect. It only shows that tamers12345 knows DOTS was their magnum opus and they still want that high again.
The only redeeming part of the scene was the dried out Care Package joke after he and Apple Bottom fuck in the bathroom and you know thats the only joke that hardly had any soul put into it because it's a reused idea in Dandy's World and so on.

>>43264418
Tamers has never been shy about reusing beats. How many times has there been a prophecy regarding the world being saved by Bartleby fucking Sonic? also, Sombra was great in that scene. imo, he carries most of that episode on his back until the end when we get best dad.

>>43264432
Fight Breaks Out At Chuck-E-Cheese is basically just Sonic and the EVIL Dr Robotnik Battle for a PS5, Sonic And Friends Play With Their Balls and Pinkie Pie Goes Bowling With Twilight's family. I'm sure there's more examples.

>>43264451
>Fight Breaks Out At Chuck-E-Cheese is basically just Sonic and the EVIL Dr Robotnik Battle for a PS5
It would be if Fractured wasnt around to introduced a s shitty new jobber OC that retroactively makes Flawless a worse character

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>"Maybe.... Maybe I'll just wait"
>sits there, alone and scare for 8 whole hours after a blizzard rolls in after Trixie took a giant shit in a raincloud and ruined the weather
This moment was peak post-resurrection Flawless. Tamers was doing the right thing with her in Trixie Gets Fired but then he started introducing Fractured, the Parcel Core of the mare timeline, and tanked her character into being just another "le evil gay psycho" which is basically every tamers character.
it's a shame, there was potential...

>FIRE
>TICKING LIKE A TIMEBOMB
>FIRE
>BURNING LIKE NAPALM
this moment was the pinnacle of what tamers will ever achieve and that's okay

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>>43263690
>>43264373
>mare tamers was supposedly the one kicking stallion tamers out into a different channel
>but also stallion tamers has control over the channel
What the fuck is going on?

>>43264493
I never got the Sunset Shimmer hype. Isnt she Equestria Girls? I thought /mlp/ hated that shit

Speaking of Equestria Girls, There's a lot of potential being left on the table with the EG stuff.

>>43264506
They both equally own the channel because they're brothers obviously but,

>Mare and Stallion Tamers worked on SU together so they both have equal ownership over the channel
>Stallion Tamers gets fed up with Mare Tamers walking over his plot points in SU and starts making MLP
>Stallions MLP starts doing numbers
>Mare Tamers follows
>Mare Tamers tries kicking Stallion Tamers off the channel but changes his mind because he needs him.
>Stallion Tamers starts Dandy's World because he was fed up again, and now argues for more control over the channel as his stand alone series is doing numbers

>>43264570
Please, Mare Tamers. Free us from Dandy's basement.

>>43264493
I try and hum it sometimes but I always end up singing Cody Rhodes' old WWE theme since they're both similar.

>>43264570
>Mare Tamers tries kicking Stallion Tamers off the channel but changes his mind because he needs him.
I don't believe the claims that he was kicked off since he stopped mare Tamers from uploading episodes too. Stallion Tamers just wanted to venture out to create his own channel and thought people would follow him. But when they didn't he came back. His twitter rant didn't help because it turned a lot of people away as it felt more like a hit piece towards his partner, who thankfully took the high road and never issuing a response.

>>43264791
This doesn't make sense, Stallion said so himself. Stallion Tamers not kicking Mare Tamers off doesn't disregard it, it just means Stallion Tamers is smart and knows it's stupid to kick either of them off the channel. Nobody read the twitter rant as a "hit piece" because if Stallion Tamers was kicked off the channel he straight up had no other choice except to say what was going on, if either of them was to keep the channel alive. Mare tamers let him back because eventually even he realized how stupid he was being with the agreement being that the music would be altered

>>43264845
There were discord leaks where Mare Tamers claims their brother even hits them. There's obviously some mental shit going on and the twitter post is one side of the story. And what little we do know is coming from a biased source.

>>43264864
>Mare Tamers claims their brother even hits them
How much of the animations are inspired by real life events...?

hi tamers here bitches none of that happened

>>43264874
Thanks for clearing the air, dude.

>>43264864
>There were discord leaks where Mare Tamers claims his brother even hits him
fixed didn't mean to write they

>>43264864
>Discord leaks
Do you know how easy those are to fake?

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>>43264864
>discord leaks
The same discord leaks that claimed one of them was trooning out? None of that shit is trustworthy, especially when all of it could be a lie even if the discord screencaps are real because tamers likes to make up things for fun.

>>43264864
The only one who hits Tamers is his mom. Unless his mom is Stallion Tamers.

>>43264187
I haven't even checked these threads in several months, and I need to get to the bottom of this. Are there really two Tamers? Are there just timeline separations or is his brother really involved as well? Most importantly, where is the evidence for any of this besides the yaoi and yuri separation?

Wrong general, lol

Is Tamers also a fan of Transformers?

is this mare and stallion tamers thing real? or is it another giga autistic theory by you guys

>>43265175
It's almost certainly the case that Tamers is two brothers and that is the divide in their work, but everything else is total conjecture schizo theory nonsense.

>>43265185
this. also there used to be a third brother who was a modern sonic fan. nobody knows what happened to him.

>>43264908
Two Tamers theory was confirmed by this twitter message >>43263805 from last year that he deleted after a sec. They still keep the kayfabe but autists like us keep up with these things.
The timeline split is simply the result of two people having creative differences. It's meant to organize storylines first. Because it is possible that they both worked on some neutral episodes at the same time.
The evidence itself is just watch the goddamn show.

Something that's been bugging me is how, especially post-AoD, we'll get a mare and stallion epiosde or a mare and DW episode b2b that share a gag of some sort, usually something oddly specific, The only example that sticks out to me is both the bathhouse episode and housewives sharing a "then I guess we both know what needs to be done" bit. I know there's more, but that's the only one that really sticks out to me, atm. Kind of weird to get these matched pairs across series if their workflow is as segregated as everyone makes it out to be.

>>43265419
They've always shared gags. I assume because they have the same sense of humor.
I wouldn't look to hard on this. It was the same during SU.

Maybe we shouldn't create soap operas over drama based on assumptions without evidence? Other than that deleted tweet there's no real evidence of anything else.
It's getting uncomfortable.

Tamers did the "1,000 year old legal loli" with Belle but it's a shota

>>43265522
and he has a fat ass and is extremely bullyable

>>43265185
The live-action skit they did wearing pony masks is all the confirmation I need that they're brothers.

>>43265534
I'm fine with this Arinos proxy. I hope the Flower trio bullies him again. Is he a straight femboy?

>>43265406
Honestly that sound exactly the kind of thing Tamers would post purely to fuck with people. I don't buy it.

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I am back from vacation.
What did i miss?
By the way, i watched the episode at the motel.
My review, to keep it short, is that it's a nice and wholesome episode with good laughs but some uncomfortable moments.
Overall an 8/10.

>>43266172
>What did i miss?
There is a fourth Tamers who is the super religious one who keeps sneaking the christian stuff into the episodes.

>>43266172
Leaks have shown that there are 12,345 Tamers'.

>>43266298
>Flora and 13420 are the super religious ones
He's the best tamers

>>43266172
Leeks have shown that every copy of Tamers is personalized.

Whatever you do, don't watch Tamers in the backrooms

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>>43266298
>>43266344
Based.
I'm glad that Tamers is finding Christ.
>>43266318
>>43266410
>Find Tamers during a depression
>His (Their.) videos have been helping me
>The way i found them feels like i was directed towards them by God to help me through my struggles
>My only complaint is worrying if the content in his (Their.) videos are too unholy too watch
>Now Tamers has become more Holy ever since i started watching him
>there are 12,345 Tamers'.
>every copy of Tamers is personalized.
I guess that explains why there's a Christian Tamers now haha, i ended up manifesting it thanks to God.

>>43266520
How do you know that's dangerous?

>>43264864
even if your source is your own ass the fact everything tamers related relies on fringe humor and their ridiculously fast and consistent output lends credibility to the theory they might not be so well adjusted and/or mentally sane (either of them)

like any more autism and theyd step out of the talented mentally ill artist archetype and seep into lolcow territory

>>43264908
just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us3CCZ0LSFU

>>43266766
Tamers could never reach lolcow status mostly because (((they))) can't bait him to do anything. He just does whatever he wants.

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>>43266795
Tamers is running several dozen psyops at all times to protect himself against schizos. He just introduced another tamers (his "mom" who wrote twilight sparkle becomes a werewolf) and it's only a matter of time before we get a fourth tamers. Maybe we'll start seeing signs that there never was any tamers, and this entire time it was just an extremely sophisticated AI bot that some university has spent over 15 years testing and refining, hiding it in the place that people would never even think to look.

>>43266766
I was there for the premiere of this, it was during MareFair 2025 and I vaguely remember somewhere that either Tamers himself or someone else had already said that they would be attending, considering this was obviously filmed in a hotel room. It's possible that other person could be any number of willing collaborators that also attended.
It is also reasonably plausible that there are in fact two Tamers, and personally I lean towards that theory, but he is such a shitter it's basically impossible to actually tell, because he loves fucking with people like that.
Every time there's a new upload with yaoi/yuri separation from the previous episode an argument always arises in the ingroup I watch these with and most are fully convinced it's a schizo theory.

>>43266824
>it was just an extremely sophisticated AI bot that some university has spent over 15 years testing and refining, hiding it in the place that people would never even think to look
Roko's Bitch

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>>43266877
perfect

Further schizoposting: if you edit your name on Patreon, your updated name will only show up in DW/Stallion epiosdes. Their workflow diverges regarding their credits, at the very least. Also, Mare tamers seems to be more committed to upholding kayfabe and playing the "tamers" character in premier chat.

>>43263814
damn this fucking bitch privated the video

>>43266940
That was the other channel right? The one with the Sprout pfp?

>>43266944
No it was this user. Guess they saw people talking about it in this thread and privated it
https://www.youtube.com/@TamersArchiveFlorasBiggestFan

>>43266949
The fuck
Why would they archive stuff that hasn't been taken down?

>>43266951
The reuploads are extra weird because there's an entire archive website that's been around for years, which also got a revamp recently
https://www.tamersarchive.com/
Not only does it archive the videos(with scraped comments and live chats), it also archives all of his social posts/comments, fanart, reactions and even commonly used sound effects and the TTS voices. It probably really is just people looking to leech some views.

>>43263631
>So I just don't get why people care so much about the views. Heck I get why they would care about it as creators but why would you?
Because those views influence what Tamers will prioritize. He stopped making Zatch Bell because people didn't watch them. He stopped making Sonic Underground videos because not as much people watched them as the pony stuff.

>>43264550
I never got the hype either. It was like Madara Uchiha appearing in WW3, kind of funny that it comes out of nowhere but mostly just underwhelming from a plot point of view. At least Madara had the good grace to just job to Bartleby instead of sticking around in a godawful follow up movie doing nothing but being a bore.

>>43266956
I thank Bartleby every day that someone with enough autism was able to make the archive possible, because if there wasn't virtually all of Tamers' past content may have been lost permanently.

>>43267010
PlotTwist: Archive guy is the 67th Tamers

But seriously how much does he invest to keep that thing up???

>>43267021
Patreon and Kofi

>>43267025
That doesn't answer the question but okay

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>>43267028

>>43266756
The Red Manic will come and rape you if it finds out you're an SU warrior.

>>43267376
>flawless rewrote history to make it so she was a normal biological mammal birth 28 years ago from her gay moms
Based

>>43267393
reminds me that almost the same thing happened in sonichu.

>>43267028
He gets money. Money means you don't have to work as much and have more free time to make autistic animations.

>>43267393
How did flawless get conceived when both her parents have cocks?

>>43267737
I've always assumed that there are spells to change the functional sexual organs so that same sex couples can be able to have children that are their own flesh and blood. Though after typing this would imagine stallions getting a weird looks from passers-by when they're walking around with a baby bump.

>>43267737
Rewatch the unicorn con episode. Twilight goes from futa to female when she loses her wings.

>>43267861
?????

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>>43267861
>Nurse Redheart's next group session will focus on group sex therapy
Who else will join in to get their personal demons fucked out of them?

>>43267876
that anon took the "my two inches!" comment as Twilight saying she lost her two-inch cock, but we all know she'd have more than that

>>43267880
Mare tamers peaked here

>>43267915
mare tamers didn't make that one

>>43267927
proofs?

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I hope that when I die I can be reincarnated as a mare in the Tamersverse so I can huff all the marefarts I want.

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>Celestia, Alicorn of the Sun
>Luna, Alicorn of the Moon
>Cadence, Alicorn of Love
>Soarin, Alicorn of Time
>Braeburn, Alicorn of Gay
>Apple Bottom, Alicorn of Life
>Care Package, Alicorn of Death
>FemShining, Alicorn of Hypnosis
>Coco Pommel, Alicorn of Workplace Relationships
>Fausticorn, Alicorn of Creation
What other ponies will be made into Alicorns? Will one of them become the Alicorn of Space to compliment Soarin? Trixie and Arinos withstanding because one's a Pegacorn which is a totally different state of Godhood and the other is a weird clown pony that looks like an Alicorn but is a creation of Friendship and therefore not properly sanctioned by Celestia as such..

>>43268126
This but I stay as a human man and become Glimmy's toilet slave

>>43268189
Glimmy, Alicorn of Farts

>>43268126
wish tamers kept drawing these detailed fat asses

>>43268307
Wish he drew horsepussy,

>>43268307
There was a tail dock in the latest episode

>>43263552
>Stallion Tamers severely pushes women away
Stallion episodes are the ones made for women though. Some of the latest posts on tumblr under the Tamers tag are girls straight up complaining about how hateful and bigoted mare Tamers episodes have been lately and how they do not like how oversexual the mares are.
>Flawless has this same feeling because she's a mare. Someone like Care Package will always be for a niche crowd of gay men
This is funny cause I have straight up have never seen a women say she likes Flawless or a man say he liked Care Package. Go to Tamers twitter right now and you'll every single flawless fanart Tamers retweets is drawn by a man and every stallion fanart is drawn by a woman.

>>43268307
I for one am glad Tamers is becoming more aligned with Christ.

>>43268337
>Some of the latest posts on tumblr under the Tamers tag are girls straight up complaining
>girls
I can tell you from personal experience as someone who's been on tumblr those aren't women, and if they are not one I can find go by she/her anyway.
>I have straight up have never seen a women say she likes Flawless or a man say he liked Care Package
I've seen multiple flawless cosplayers at cons and most apple bottom plushie carriers were men.

looks like we're not getting an episode this week

>>43268437
back to the bi-weekly schedule, it seems

>>43268452
After the latest DW take down he's probably PISSED seeing as he still hasn't been bothered to reupload to Newgrounds or Patreon yet. He might not feel like his next pony episode is safe without making changes first

>>43268423
>I can tell you from personal experience as someone who's been on tumblr those aren't women
If your argument is "women aren't watching for stallions" and women explicitely say they are only watching for stallion, and your reubbtle to those women being "I don't believe you are a woman because if you are indeed a woman my argument falls apart" then you straight up have no argument to begin with lmao

>>43268337
I love Flawless and Care Package (and it's my tumblr account you're talking about <3)

>>43268554
What Sonic Underground characters do you like?

>>43268588
I haven't gotten that deep into SU yet, but Knuckles is surprisingly pretty good, I expected him to be the butt of a lot more racist jokes based on the latest Christmas episode. Sonia is kind of nothing as a character so far but she does a good job as straight man to the other characters' antics and that endears her to me, and obviously Bardonic is always pretty funny whenever they're on screen.

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>>43268464
Or maybe he couldn't keep up with doing weekly episodes forever and the people bitching are spoiled babies with full shitty diapers. I'd rather he takes time with his writing and animation because as soon as he started doing weekly uploads the quality started to dip.

>>43268337
Tumblr has been a dying platform for years but the Tamers tag is ridiculous.

>>43268554
I thought this website would be too evil and transphobic for you, lmao.

>>43268602
>Bardonic is always pretty funny whenever they're on screen
Sometimes Bartleby gets close to the edge of being holier than thou ina similar way to Braeburn but then i remember, he's fucking Bartleby Montclair of Dresden and not a faggot pony cowboy and i get over it.
Robotnik is always gold 100% of the time he's one screen. there are no bad Robotnik episodes and moments.

>>43268654
I mean, don't get me wrong, I have an extremely low opinion of the average 4chan user. The general opinions here suck ass. Unfortunately for me, I like seeing people talk about things I'm interested in even if I hate their guts, so I'll lurk here frequently and occasionally bitch about it to my IRL friends.
>>43268656
I like Braeburn a lot. Not really sure where you're getting the holier than thou vibes, I guess it's because most of the other characters don't really blame him for stuff because he's hot as fuck? But he's a pretty normal character in the grand scheme of things. He's got flaws, good moments, and funny lines.

>>43268663
I'm not gonna write another another 200 word essay why i dislike Braeburn. i'll just say he was good in season 1 but only got worse.

>>43268602
Are you watching them in release order or are you picking out specific ones?

>>43268663
That's fair. I wish there another space for Tamers discussion, I hate both extremes Tumblr and 4chan has but at least both have funny memes.

>>43266824
Can we have a separate Tamers for Pocky? A white boy who hears your prayers, a white boy who cares.

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so I'm trying to get my van running again, and what's out here in the DVD player? one of the tamers dvds? but didn't I just go through all of them and finally verify that they're all in order and auction off the only existing duplicate at neighcon?
well slap my ass anyways, I guess I have some recounting to do.
oh and like, a TBI rebuild, and stuff.

>>43268691
I'm doing it in release order. That way I can see how the art and writing changes over time.
>>43268695
Good luck, I guess. I tend to prefer the vibes on tumblr. There are some people on there that I don't like but they're a lot fewer and I disagree a lot less with them than anons on 4chan.

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>>43268337
>This is funny cause I have straight up have never seen a women say she likes Flawless
Flawless is beloved by all thoughbeit

>>43268695
There's no other place. Unless you want to take a shot at the fan Discord server that's full of children.
Tamers has a subreddit too but I don't know shit about Reddit so I have no idea how's the discussion over there.

>>43268747
>Implying 4chan is not full of children

>>43268747
>There's no other place
Yes, that's why I wrote "I wish".

>>43268721
Why was she so shook here?

>>43268337
Man here, big Care Package fan. Love how surprisingly subtle his manipulation of those around him and the way his relationship with Apple Bottom contrasts with Marionette and Starlight Glimmer Even bigger fan of his dad, though. Best horse, real heart melter, that one.

>>43268337
Are there actually people on Tumblr talking about Tamers?

>>43268554
>it's my tumblr account
If true, as an artist myself fuck your kind for trying to make artists self censor themselves, you're the reason the art career is dying :)

>>43268872
Not very many, but it exists. I mostly see fanart and clips posted with the occasional reaction to latest episode. Only indexed blogs show up in searches though.

>>43268873
Based.

>>43268873
No, that's the persistent undervaluing of art by the increasingly small number of people who have the money to actually buy it. I'm just voicing my displeasure with something I dislike (racism) appearing in a piece of art that I otherwise enjoy, which is my right as a viewer. Same thing as when I encourage tamers to put more gourdy x soulvester into dandy's world.

>>43268909
Is racism worse than pedophilia?

>>43268913
Is nigger more crude then faggot?

>>43268646
The quality has been in the toilet for like two years now though. If anything the most recent episode has been a return to form.

>>43268839
someone other than flawless is getting attention

>>43268909
I would go so far as to argue that stallion Tamers is crypto-woke. The characters belonging to marginalized communities are obviously intended to be sympathized with by the audience, the specific nature of the recurring jabs at cops, pretty much everything about Arinos, etc. There's a definite difference in the character of how Apple Bottom is handled compared to, for example, the changelings in "Sweetie Belle in love." Stallion tamers is at the very least cognizant of how he plays tropes and his framing regarding racial politics.

>>43268909
That’s completely fair viewers absolutely have the right to dislike certain themes and talk about why they dislike them. But when you enter an indie cartoons fan space that’s already known for it's edgy and sometimes racist humor for over 15 years, them shame the creator and fans over it starts, it feeling less like criticism and more like bullying.

>>43268939
Tamers just knows how to play the game. He flip flops between conservative and liberal values without leaning to heavily to either side because frankly, he doesn't give a shit. He called out voters during the last presidental election when fans asked whether Bartleby would would support Trump or Kamala and he said neither, because that would be playing into the American machine.

>>43268943
Criticism isn't magically bullying just because they've been racist for 15 years already

>>43268957
IDK, The stallion plotlines and DW are consistently more progressive in their framing of characters and events than the mare stuff.

>>43268976
The mare timeline has the entire cast beating down Twilight's Dad for being sexist, Trixie's Dad is killed for being an abuser sexist, and Mari's misandry is presented as somewhat correct.

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>>43268939
>>43268957
The tamers bros are from the pre-normalfag smartphone internet. It's about having fun and doing whatever autistic bullshit you enjoy, any kind of political bent is irrelevant and taking it that seriously is "cringe" as the kids say these days. The lil zooms in the thread might not know this but there used to be a time on the internet when people would make all kinds of edgy jokes without any real meaning beyond it personally making them laugh, everyone knew it was just banter because the internet is not serious business. This all changed as the internet grew beyond autistic nerds who spent their time browsing the internet on a desktop computer but it was indeed a real thing.

>>43268976
>The stallion plotlines and DW are consistently more progressive
They really aren't. A lot of it can be boiled down to "this character is black make jokes for 20 minutes" or "this character is evil because he's a ginger and has autism" and that's it. They get to kill those who treat them like shit. It's fun to watch sure, but it's not trying to tell a message when nothing gets solved. Meanwhile Mari has this whole ass arc about feminism, burn scars and dealing with her abusive lesbian relationship. Apple Bottom's trans'ness is treated like a joke and it revels in the fact that he'll never be a women. Then there's Trixie, where her trans'ness is treated like a simple fact. The Mare episodes are actually way more accepting and progressive than the stallion ones if we're talking about moral goodness.

>>43268999
Are you implying that the shit Mari goes through isn't considered a joke?

>>43269003
There are comedic moments but there's no denying she's still the saddest and arguably deepest character in the entire series.

>>43269003
I don't know how to explain it but the Tamers who writes Apple Bottom writes him in a way that he wants to make an entertaining story. But the one who Write Mari's seems like he or she has lived through a similar experience before. Bad shit happens to Mari all the time but she doesn't get handouts like the stallions do. When Twixie's family invites her to sleep in their bunk bed she feels like she shouldn't be there. And when she is offered the chance to become an Alicorn she denies it because it would force her to be eternal and watch people die. And yet, she keeps going back to Starlight who abuses her. It's an actual thing where people reject help and return to what hurts them because happiness feels temporary and if things can always fall apart again, your brain starts asking why try

>>43269013
Clean Sweep exists

>>43269032
kek

>>43269032
It's absolutely baffling to me that he's been around for 20 episodes now and he never even went anywhere. Legitimately feels like Stallion Tamers regrets making both him and Future Soarin

>>43269037
>20 episodes
In terms of episodes that he could realistically have even appeared in, it's only been 6 episodes since he was introduced, he played a major role in 2, had a cameo in 1, and played an important but admittedly interchangeable role in the most recent episode. Tamers says the upcoming yaoi movie is about him, so that seems ok to me. That's a better track record than fluttershy's brother.

>>43269037
His introduction was literally right before Dandy's World so it's less that Tamers regrets making him and more that Dandy's World blowing up meant the story he's been wanting to tell is going extremely slow. Real Housewives of Ponyville came out 4 months ago and the end credits there were a preview for what's coming next week.

Mare Tamers is just an AGP that likes to write fanfiction

>>43269050
I don't know what this has to do with Anal Gape Porn
actually maybe I do

>>43269029
> When Twixie's family invites her to sleep in their bunk bed she feels like she shouldn't be there.
I think you’re conflating the scene where she’s on her own on the top bunk with the moment immediately after when Trixie invites her to the bottom bunk, where she sleeps soundly with the others. Likewise when she takes her mask off at the dinner with Twi’s parents everyone other than Twi’s dad accepts her despite her initial fears so she does find some relief with her extended family at least. I agree that her relationship with Starlight is played fairly straight as an abusive situation but her ‘suffering’ in relation to her crusade as a feminist is absolutely presented as a joke. As a side note, I’m guessing Tamers either never found a decent TTS with a German accent or just decided to drop the idea that she screams in German when upset.

>>43268988
I, too, have been around for ages. I'm just here to be incredibly pretentious about Tamers's work for funsies. Their work exists within a unique space where they rely on the tropes and conventions of the kinds of bad fanfiction that were common in the late 2000s and early 2010s. As somebody who was into mocking bad fanfiction at the time, it's very rewarding analyzing their work through this lens and seeing how it compares to the culture that it's in conversation with. Tamers is an artist and, like any artist, their work is worth a deeper look. I'm not here to moralize or shit on Mare Tamers, because I have a nostalgic appreciation for his willingness to commit to the bit regarding the seedier side of the internet and fandom culture from the time.

>>43268999
I'm just saying relatively and in relation to the framing itself, you know? There's a big difference in the nature of the "I don't think the cops would care enough to help, since this side of your family is black" in Twilight Sparkle and Friends Gets Stuck In A Porta Potty and the fried chicken and drive-bys of Sweetie Belle In Love or the "Go eat some watermelon and grape soda" or whatever the line was from Twilight Sparkle takes Trixie to a Japanese Bath House because she Smells Bad. Yes, these are both jokes about racial jokes, but they're very clearly on different tiers. Think punching up vs punching down.

Mari literally starts off as a feminizai anti-SJW strawman archetype common to the mid 2010s culture wars in her first appearance. She doesn't really gain the greater depth with her relationship with Glimmer until Flawless Farts Open a Portal To Another Dimension. Again, I'm not here to moralize (Marionette's my favorite character in the mare plotline by far. Her dynamic with Glimmer is one of the most compelling aspects of the series), I'm just saying Stallion Tamers tends towards pulling his punches compared to Mare Tamers. If anything, I think his softer touch is a failing for Dandy's World. The lack of the crueler edge to the humor really dulls the contrast that makes their work so effective.

Also, textual support for Trixie being trans pales in comparison to the direct inclusion of trans themes in Arinos's arc regarding identity and the like. His and Friendship's scene during the funeral in Bad Influence is dripping with subtext. It's not super deep or anything, but it's executed well enough.

>>43269046
Hopefully next week. I don't think I could handle another Dandy's World right now.

>>43268939
I think "dark woke" is the term kids use for it. Stallion Tamers throws around slurs and plays with anti-gay or retard tropes in a self-aware way. I won't lie that my standards are low and hearing "faggot" makes me laugh, but stallion Tamers hit different because there was thought behind the jokes. I still like Mare Tamers, but the last episode was garbage because of the mindless "haha pee and EPI spanking funny" bullshit.

>>43268988
That's why I love it. I started watching Tamers this year and it reminds me of the kind of shitposting I did with forum friends in 2008-2010. Or the comedies airing in the aughts that made fun of everyone, minorities included. We weren't "phobic," most of us were gay/autistic/black/whatever and could take a joke. Nowadays people have a political agenda if they want to make a joke.

>>43269481
Exactly, he's clearly more aware of where the lines are, which was my original point. I'm In the same boat regarding faggot being funny, one of my favorite lines in the series is "It is. Isn't it, faggot?" from ...Fights a Clown. I'd disagree regarding the new episode, though, it's a fun enough romp and the vibe being a throwback to the old SU episodes is always welcome.

>>43268988
God would not approve of this mentality and i doubt Tamers wold agree with everything that goes on on 4chan.

>>43268873
Well have you thought about creating art that God would actually allow into His Kingdom?
If you're making "art" that is wicked and unholy then you might as well have spent that time wiping your butt because once all is said and done that "art" will turn to ash and will never exist again like a big pile of poopy toilet paper.

>>43269402
Arinos's arc about identity is too interesting to me. People were so quick to associate it with trans related topics just because of his appearance. But I don't think he has ever mentioned anything about his gender.
But it makes sense that he doesn't feel like himself or that he's struggling to find his identity when he's an amalgamation of several people. If we go even further he's not even a being of flesh and blood. He's a puppet with consciousness.
That scene during the funeral perfectly captured the idea that he's willing to let himself fall in order to be rebuilt differently. Subtext being: "He's willing to risk not waking up just for the chance to create a distinction from the beings from which he was created."

>>43269623
The queer nature of Tamers' art makes a trans reading of Arinos unavoidable, not to mention how he cycles through traditionally feminine and masculine apparel before settling on a darker version of his usual look at the funeral in Bad Influence.

>>43269648
I get that. And I personally don't mind that reading. But if we go from explicit mentions of gender dysphoria I think Apple Split has mentioned it at least twice. Plus the couple times people use she pronouns on him.

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>>43269648
>>43269653
trannies be like "EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MEEEEE! EVERY CHARACTER IS TRANS, EVERY CHARACTER IS ME!! TRANS TRAN TRANS TRANS I AM TRANS WE ARE ALL TRANS TRAAAAAAAAAAAAANS"

>>43269653
The bus scene from Housewives was gold. IDK about any explicit mentions of gender dysphoria specifically from Apple Bottom, but one could easily find a trans reading of his desire to be a unicorn. There's probably something to be said there, but I'd have to rewatch all the applepackage episodes with that in mind. I guess that's my afternoon blocked out.

>>43269614
Keep it to Bible study, nobody cares.

>>43269616
He's referring to cancel culture and political correctness ruining art, not your sky daddy. You Christfags are just as annoying as regular fags.

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>>43269663
Just watch the 1st episode lol

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>>43269662
>wears girl clothes
>gets a PMV that ends with the phrase "I wish I was a girl" with a female symbol superimposed over their head"
>arinos is explicity stated to be created out of their "desire to wear girl clothes" and says, out loud, that they have dysphoria.
>intends to fuck care package "in the gender-neutral public restroom"
>gets a full body mirror scene wearing women's clothes while wondering why they feel so empty fucking and working on the farm the same way they always did
>Care Package directly calls her a woman in Real Housewives

I sincerely don't know what other conclusion you would want me to take away from this, and this isn't even touching on the direct parallels between split's quest to become a unicorn and being trans.

>>43269680
You know, I *entirely* forgot about the connection between Apple Bottom and Arinos. Like, I have no clue how I managed to blank that considering Twilight Sparkle Fights a Clown is probably my favorite episode. The subtext is so clear that that has to be bait, right? Surely nobody is that stupid.

>>43269687
>I *entirely* forgot about the connection between Apple Bottom and Arinos
Honestly I wouldn't blame you. For ages I've wondered if there's something more there but the only traits he seems to inherit from Apple Bottom are his desire to wear girl clothes and autism. Everything else is just Soarin (And if you're up to argue about it. He was concieved as a Braeburn lookalike puppet).
It took until Housewives for Apple Bottom and Arinos to have a damn conversation. Their connection only plays a role during Outbreak when Apple Bottom is inmune to the infection.

>>43269680
I won't be mad if Tamers canonizes tgirl/nonbinary Apple Bottom. I just think it'll be a big monkey's paw moment for the gender types if it does happen. I don't think the guy who thinks faggot and retard are funny is going to hold back on being transphobic.

>>43269691
The Braeburn puppet thing is pretty explicit in text; Arinos states that Friendship created him in TSFAC, we see Friendship create him as well as his being sealed into the knife and sent back in time in Infection, as well as the entire funeral scene in Bad Influence. My read regarding his whole clown gimmick is that, since he was created as a blank slate, he latched onto the first outside description he received, which was twilight's "you're just a certified clown. get wrecked, bozo. GGEZ"

>>43269707
>Arinos states that Friendship created him in TSFAC
He mentions "my maker". But we don't see him getting created until Infection. During TSFAC I'm not sure he's aware of anything since he just got consciousness.
The clown thing is something that intrigues me because it implies Twilight had a bigger role to his creation and nobody ever mentions it. She's the one to stab the Braeburn puppet and also stabs Apple Bottom's hearth for him to be born from the knife.

>>43269680
crossdressing != trans

>>43269714
I'd say the "I have to find my maker" line over a shot of Friendship standing behind Arinos is pretty explicit in a basic visual storytelling kind of way. The Twilight thing would be funny in an ironic kind of way that she both sealed and unsealed him without knowing who he was either time.

>>43269703
Yaoi tamers actually navigates the use of the word "faggot" incredibly tastefully, and is a lot more nuanced in basically every way than his brother when making edgy jokes. If there was going to be a notably tasteless transphobic joke involving apple split, it would have probably been made by now. All my trans friends love her lol

>>43269721
>You Will never Be A Real Unicorn! - Twilight Sparkle

>>43269725
>>43269663

Holy shit. I never caught that line. When I said that thing earlier about how the unicorn thing could be read as a metaphor for gender, I never expected it to be the intended read. Truly, Tamers is a genius.

>>43269725
That's not a tasteless joke, though. It parodies something real said by transphobes, and subverts it immediately by showing that split actually does have unicorn powers via the knife. It would be like if someone said "you will never be a real woman" to a girl and she immediately gives birth on the sidewalk out of pure spite. Which, interestingly, is also something that apple split does mere moments after that statement as well.

>>43269714
This is almost like Rarity playing a role during Flawless creation but nobody ever talks about it. Just like nobody's going to talk about Sombra when it comes to Parcelcore either.

>>43269749
Great catch! Would it be too much of a stretch to include big mac in friendship's creation? probably, but I'd never noticed that recurring motif with Tamer's OCs

>>43269747
you fucking troons really wont stop until you've devoured everything. You're gluttonous demon that knows no restraint.

>>43269758
Could be? Actually never considered this. Since Friendship seems to reffer himself as a copy of Soarin during a traumatic event. There aren't many clues that suggest he's related to the Big Mac aside from the physical resemblance.
Twilight's importance in Arinos creation seems to carry more weight because her imput happened twice. Massively convenient but still odd. Imagine a timeline where Care Package was the one to stab Apple Bottom and that led to Arinos being freed from the knife.

>>43269774
meds now

>>43269777
Friendship is the Big Mac outfit that Soarin was wearing during the events of Soarin and Braeburn, animated by Soarin busting an alicorn-magic-infused load when Big Mac kisses him at the end of the illusion sequence.

>>43269774
Wait until you find out what Twilight Sparkle lost two inches of and where Trixie got the mayo for her hot dog

>>43269782
I know that. But I mean implications of him being related to Big Mac outside of that moment. Because I can't think of any mention other than the time during Housewives in the casino.

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>>43269788
>here's the already refuted point chuddie
lmao pathetic

Tamers took ivermectin and is no longer gay he just told me this on Threads.

>>43269796
>Being gay was fun. But I’m 30 now. It’s time for a wife and kids.

>>43269799
He won in the end

>>43269745
The next time you watch it, keep an eye out for another character who ravenously desires to become a unicorn, but has a lot of trouble expressing their needs. They keep their emotions repressed, and when brought face to face with a clown shaped manifestation of dysphoria they can't bring themselves to speak a single word about it. Despite this, they're extremely positive about split living as a girl. One of the only times they're ever truly emotionally vulnerable is when someone close to them talks about them with gender neutral language and accepts them as they are.

>>43269680
To add to this, in Alicorn of Death Apple Bottom explicitly says that he loves that Care Package is able to be who he wants to be even if society doesn’t understand him.

>>43269829
The dried up gag is fun but it bugs me that completely ruins Care Package's speech. Like you have to pause it to be able to read at some point.

>>43269792
I don't care about tranny shit, this art is really good.

>>43269890
We need more balloon art with Arinos

>>43269897
Art of Arinos filling up a balloon with his fart lol

>>43269897
Agreed. More of his balloon animal form to. Really letting good looner opportunities go to waste.

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>>43269914
I've done a bunch of those but mostly flawrinos shit so I've never posted em

>>43269911
You wish :^)