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>>97613324
>Gotta Go Fast Edition
I like fast lads.

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>>97613339
Lmao

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I want to play, too!

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>>97613068
Shame that MW Prime never got made. Some of the concepts for the mech rosters seemed liked fun.

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>>97613394
I adore the Spider, ever since I saw this bit of art it's been one of my favourite mech designs. Yours looks good :)

>>97613324

Fuck me this thing was an absolute monster in our first Scouring Sands game. It literally butchered an Avatar and a Thunderbolt.

>>97613486
>Still seething lol

>>97613433

That's... actually a really nice look for the Toyama. Not sure if the top needed to be quite THAT egg-like though.

>>97613489

It has more firepower than two thirds of the heavy mechs in this goddamn setting and the speed to make taking it on a real headache. It's an absolute little savage. Of course one lucky roll and it's fucking dead, it's still a Locust after all.

>>97613511
GIVE ME PLASTIC JIHAD YOU JEWS

>>97613511

Is that an Ostbox Feat. Scarabus?

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>>97613339

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>>97613495
It was certainly an interesting take but not unique among Richard Hescox's concepts.

>>97613563

Thats... less good. Ooof.

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>>97613433
OH MY GOD NO MY BOY! T_T

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>>97613571
Trying to think which is the worst one. This...

>>97613518
You're supposed to spend your bsp on arty and airstrikes and shit. Then you blanket the fucker. Danger close.if you have to. Hell call fire ON your own position if it means the little shit gets hit too.

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>>97613598
...or this?

>>97613607

The Fenris. The only thing horrendously wrong with the vindicator is the legs. Like, everything above that is "fine". Not great, but fine. The Fenris looks NOTHING like it should, not even close, and it looks way too tall for what it should be.

>>97613607
That... hurts my soul. And I don't even like the vindicator. Or the fucking happy faggots.

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>>97613472
Iktf bro it has been a pain for us too
It took me back to when I first encountered one
All I heard was, there’s a Locust coming up and I maneuvered to intercept with my Shadow Hawk and took an alpha strike from the little shit
Left my jaw hanging open (fortunately, still attached mostly)
It was like I was RPing an old IS jock encountering the Clans for the first time but it was a totally sincere thing

>>97613520
>GIVE ME PLASTIC JIHAD YOU JEWS

Hello,

No.

Thank you for your time.
-TCO

>>97613627
Go fuck yourself, Loren "Porchbux McGee" Coleman. We all know it's you. You CCP gookaboo faggot. Go back to sucking ccp... "cappellan" cocks and leave us the fuck alone. You thieving, embezzling fraudster.

>>97613656
>Schizo rambling

Apologies this >>97613626 was meant for you >>97613486

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>>97613618
I looked at the Vindicator and thought they were trying to make an Enforcer hence why I wasn't too pleased with it. The Fenris is indeed though an abomination.

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>>97613472
Here is my current Spider wip

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>>97611669
>Marik
Have we started them down the path of true autism?

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The locust menace

>>97613688
>When you trip up a Griffin and watch it fall into a building

>>97613688
Isn't that a Plague?

>>97613674
Very nice :)

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>>97613495
Just found this as a bonus. I like the concept not so sure on the execution.

>>97613674
Nicely done, smooth thin coats

>>97613667

That's not that bad. They all sort of seem to be too tall and spindly for their weight classes though.

>>97613656
Strange we're not getting barely any Liao forcepacks or anything if that's the case

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>>97613746
I think a lot of it is that some parts are just badly scaled and proportioned as if they were just quick doodles to get a general idea. Some of the more refined concepts come across as a lot better and more importantly, easier to model.

>>97613707
>>97613744
Thanks! I can always find a tone of problems in pics. But this is just blocking in colors. The buttery grey will be silver and will then get a second wash. The main torquoise already got a black wash and went way dark. I will go back and highlight the turquoise and red after the silver is on and washed.

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>>97613563
>Wolftrap
Looks more like the Sunder desu

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Captain's Log, Stardate 9342.1.4:

We underestimated the barbarity of this new species. Despite their primitive war doctrines, and crippled technological base, they laid waste to this world out nothing but sheer paranoia only seen in the worst of the Terminus Systems using a wide variety of high munitions and chemical weaponry that have been banned by the Arcturus Conventions. They slaughtered my crew before laying waste to what looked like a refugee camp. Despite the propaganda constantly blared out over the comm systems, both states are exactly the same both in mannerisms and social structure save for tangential academic divergences.

As far as I can tell, those primitive ships couldn't make out our own vessel's design, instead focusing on bombarding the planet. Our design is so alien to their own, but they just wrote it off as 'Draconis garbage' before tearing into another civilian ship trying to flee the planet. So far, their form of warfare appears to be borderline ceremonial, near ritualistic encounters between a noble caste piloting mechanical platforms with no regard to the civilian population who are caught in the crossfire all too often. I lost contact with Lieutenants Raker and Sprock, assuming the worst so I fear I may need to leave this planet without them.

I am repairing my shuttle, the last remnant of the Pathfinder and all the poor souls on board and shall return to Federation space in- Oh fuck! It found me! It's got a lock-

>Bizarre recording found beyond the Gum Nebula.
>Debunked as fiction written by Draconis, reason?
>Unsubstantiated nonsense about fictional warcrimes, clear pro-Suns slander.

What's your favorite AC/10 mech?

>>97614184
Icarus II

>>97614060
>that map
I dont see the clan territories yet the map says 3025, clans established well before then, the map is wrong.

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>>97614184
Enforcer.

>>97614219

The inner sphere knew fuckall about the clans in 3025. It's a 3025 from the PoV of the inner sphere map. Hence "approximate limit of exploration".

>>97614240
is he shitting

>>97614246
Irrelevant, they existed at the time, the map is wrong.
Also you're being ignorant of the Dragoons who were in the inner sphere at the time and inherently aware of all clan territories and exploration, making this map wrong even from a solely inner sphere perspective.

>>97614060
Where's the Captain from and what species he's referring to?

>>97613511
>october

If the Uziel doesn't come out this year I'm going to take down the 3rd Star League myself.

Would a particularly skilled Clanner's EI be able to help close the gap between him and a low-level Newtype?

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I've decided I don't care for running around positioning and thinking ahead. What force building philosophy and battlfield strategy should I employ?

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>>97613472
Personally, I like the MWO version the best. The minimalist cab fits with how the cockpit is supposed to be tiny and lacking an ejection system.

>>97614437
All MWO designs are superior.

>>97614441
I kind of like CGL's boxy take on the Marauder more. The sleek PGI one kinda clashes with most of the other designs, plus the way the autocannon sticks out the side looks awkward, even if it is more accurate to the game mechanics.

I’ve been reading up on Clan history and I find the destruction of Kindraa Smythe-Jewel such a cool moment. Early omnimechs and some of first elementals squashing an ambitious, scheming, treacherous group—on a thick forest world—strikes so many cool notes. I just bought a Lupus, plus some metal Crabs and Black Knights to convert into Night Chanters and Spirit Walkers. Has anyone here played Turning Points: Foster? And if so, do you have thoughts on it?

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>>97614469
Fair enough, fixed by mixing the MWO Marauder with the original Glaug though.

>>97613324
Is that an alpha strike expansion box mech??
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>97614441
Honestly, as somebody who grew up with Gundam and a lot of other weeb shit I think most of CGL's light mechs are better looking in and of themselves, but at the same time I prefer how the PGI ones are more top heavy and spindly with a few exceptions, because they actually look like they could fit a full grown man properly while still weighing significantly less than the more humanly-proportioned mediums.

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>>97613511
Are force manuals worth anything? The only one I could see myself getting right now is mercenaries and if they are good maybe Kurita for the new hot spots.

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>>97614435
Actually, I may have found my calling.

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>>97614427
if they could find a way to make battlemechs viable in space beyond being walking turrets on a battleship sure

>>97614698
Well, I'm assuming the fight is terrestrial. Space is the domain of Fighters.

>>97613542
It's the Illician Rangers box. But it is kinda weird they have 3/4 of the Ost mechs in it rather than do their own box and have more unit appropriate mechs in the Rangers one.

>>97614602
>Are force manuals worth anything?
They're more useful if you play AS (I don't), but I like the unit info and pictures. The Kurita one had some additional melee mech variants, and the House specific formations are nice for flavor even if you don't play with formation rules (I don't.)

>>97614286

As anon says, its an (incomplete) map of what most of the Inner Sphere would know in 3025, not an overview map by God, or the Clans. Clans are not on it because they vanished into space when the Star League armies left and havn't been since. A few few Clan infiltrators (Dragoons) and a few Comstar might know more in 3025, but it wasnt general knowledge, as the Dragoons arnt telling and Comstar tended to elliminate anyone with knowledge they shouldn't have.

If your smooth brain can't imagine things from different points of view, maybe a scifi setting in which each side argues they are right (and everyone else is wrong) is to complicated for you and you should stick to finger painting?

>>97614962
You're responding to someone who is taking an extreme position just to satisfy a maladjusted need for negative attention.

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>>97614286
>Where are Japan, Kangarooland and Burgerland the map is all wrong

>>97614060

Has there been an official map of known space for this franchise (when I mean by "official", I mean by FASA and even by Tops/Catalyst Game Labs)?

>>97613659
>tourista don't know nuthin'.
>still pretends to be the authority.

Shouldn't you be cowering in your fucking cartel-backed resort room failing to comprehend that a level 4 advisory to NOT FUCKING GO SOME WHERE means it's fucking dangerous?

>>97613749
There's going to be an Aces box that's supposedly Anduriens against Cappies.

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>>97614053
All of the first wave Omni's really feel like they could do with another art pass. I've seen modern takes on the Avatar and I'd really like to something like that for the Sunder or the Strider.

>>97614716

They probably thought about finishing it off with the OstScout over the Scarabus but then couldn't think of a single reason why anybody would ever want that thing.

>>97614255
He said he would fart fury all over the Capellans and that is what he is doing!

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So besides the IIC mechs, the Peregrine, and the Fire Scorpion what sort of mechs would Clan Goliath Scorpion field in their Touman? I'm looking to expand my CGS forces

Also is the Fire scorpion even good?

>>97615575
"Oh, you want to complete a set? Then you have to buy this another box"

>>97615606

Jokes on them, nobody wants an Ostscout.

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>>97615604
Old stuff, basically.

Thinking about backstory for my OC merc company. Came up with idea of minor noble house getting displaced due to court intrigue and having to evacuate what little they could along with their mech retinue and then meeting and linking up with down on their luck mercenary band, and reforming under one banner and dual management. Cool occassion for two paintschmes in one army but not sure how plausible it is and if it could work out.

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Always wondered why PGI tries to mimic the MW4 pilot aesthetic in artwork but never depicts them as such in their games?

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>>97615708
MW4 aesthetic for comparison. Probably heathenish thing to say but I actually like the pilot aesthetics of this era. The late 90's early 2000's scifi look suits it well.

>>97615671
Hmm that is more or less what I suspected

>>97615604
>Also is the Fire scorpion even good?
pfft no

Or well I guess to be fair, it's better to say it's very situational.

>>97615707
Could be wrong but that seems like it might be similar to how the Gray Death Legion formed?

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I thought I knew most mechs about, but played against the Penthesilea last night which I'd never even thought about. All the variants seem good. The base 2H is kinda my ideal line heavy. But the 3H is wacky as fuck. Anybody ever use it?

>>97615604
I have used the Fire Scorpion (Standard) and Fire Scorpion 2. The Standard is respectable, good armour and just lobs AC10 damage shots all day. It's the cheapest Clan heavy that actually acts like a heavy- the competition is either a Hellbringer or that weird Crossbow with like a dozen AP Gauss Rifles.
The 2 is absolutely crying out for double heatsinks. It's usable and fun as hell, but 10 SHS when you have an UAC20 is a slippery slope to being overheated all game. It's the mech which made me realise the real advantage of DHS. It's not all about being able to deal with the heat you generate in a turn. It's about being able to spike heat and then be able to effectively recover in the following turn whilst still outputting damage. Which is why the Nova Cat Prime works, but the Fire Scorpion 2 doesn't.

Weird aside, the Fire Scorpion 2 is one of the few Clan mechs which you can recreate with 3025 IS tech and it actually improves.

>>97614427
Theoretically yes since it obsoletes the need to have a sixth sense, but that isn't going to close the gap between a typical 'mech and a typical Mobile Suit. Even the heaviest and most deadly 'mechs are horrifically outranged, outmaneuvered, outengineered, and outgunned - Mobile suits are designed to go up against WarShip equivalents by themselves and win. The weakest MS, a Zaku, is twice as tall as a Warhammer while weighing the same and doing MadCat speeds on the ground while rocking an AC/20 equivalent with kilometers of range and no ammo bomb threatening to tear it apart on a crit, and that isn't even talking about melee capabilities. Furthermore, bespoke weapons are the standard in BT but the exception in Gundam. Even a common Zaku will end any mech instantly by just picking up a bazooka designed to put holes in space battleships, let alone a beam cannon which instakills anything it touches. MS don't have to worry about heat build-up, and also have jumpjets as the standard rather than the exception, with models such as the Dom enabling them to achieve incredible speeds exceeding BT hovercraft. And I'm only talking about UC, everything from that point onward completely outclasses BT as a setting. An MS is everything a LAM tried to be and more.

>>97615719
I like those aesthetics as well. De-emphasis on the fighter jet look and more on the mechs being the heavy metal that they are. I love the MW4 Mad Dog.

There are times where I wonder if BT needs a total reboot. The IS will never catch up to the clans, the tech tree is nothing but side grades, and the mechs themselves dont reflect the advancement of technology at all when you can field something like a first run hunchback and it can go toe-to-toe with modern era mechs because reasons.

>>97615862
(You)

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>>97615707
>>97615735
It’s basically the plot of the HBS BattleTech video game, where you play a merc who survives a coup against the noble family paying you and later founds a merc company hired by that same noble family to help restore it to power.
GDL came about because Grayson’s dad’s merc outfit (Carlyle’s Commandos) was working for the Steiners when betrayed and destroyed by Oberon Confederation troops supposedly relieving them of garrison duty but secretly working for the Dracs, in a scenario quite heavily inspired by Dune. In the aftermath, Grayson joined up with the local royal militia and mustered his own regiment which eventually became the core of the GDL.

>>97615862
>I wonder if BT needs a total reboot
Instead of this, make up your own setting and game where you “fix” all of the “flaws” you have identified with BattleTech. Be sure to post about your efforts in the Mecha Monday thread.

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I'm wondering, what war in the history of Battletech would have the most space battles? Better yet, is there any conflict that was fought almost entirely in the void, as in the major battles were won in space and the ground combat was a smaller, less important part of the conflict?
I literally can't get enough of space battles in sci-fi. Rogue One is my favourite Star Wars movie and the space part of the Battle of Scarif is the best part of the film imo, Homeworld 1 and Homeworld Emergence/Cataclysm are some of my most played video games, Battlefleet Gothic is my most played tabletop game by far (closely followed by BattleTech), so on and so forth, I'm sure you get the picture.
Now I know BattleTech is a game about big, stompy, awesome robots and I'm aware of the kinda dumb piece of the lore that says everyone "forgot" how to make WarShips since ROM killed all the people that knew how to build 'em, but I'm still curious about this part of the lore.
If I had to take a guess, I would assume the war with the most space battles would be either the Reunification War or the Amaris Civil War. During the Jihad there were a lot of space battles and it's said that a great number of these were won by boarding actions that saw numerous ships captured by all sides of the conflict, but no navy in that era even came close matching the size of the truly massive SLDF navy of the Star League era.
Would I be right in assuming that the Star League Civil War or Reunification War had the most ship battles?
I am not asking about a single battle, like the liberation of Terra, I mean like a full war fought almost entirely in the void of space/a conflict filled with space battles.
I want to look into the BT space game and am just trying to find a piece of lore to theme it around.

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>>97615840
I'm only vaguely aware of its existence because of the lore but about it being the heaviest mech design the MoC has ever built (Detroit doesn't count, Detroit is basically its own thing), but otherwise I've never seen it used. I guess to be fair, I rarely ever see late era mechs from the rimward states in general.

>Reunification War
Fuck the Star League forever

>>97616027
THEY WERE FIXING THE GALAXY, YOU BITCH

>>97616033
You deserve to lick Stefan’s boot

>>97616033
If they wanted to fix the Galaxy, they should have started by making all their advanced tech open source, then deleting themselves from existence.

>>97616047
>>97616044
Peripherats

>>97616033
When you say it like that, it sounds like the Star League are the Star Wars Empire lol

>>97616052
The fucking Marians lasted longer than Star League, you're licking a corpse's boots.

>>97616067
The Star League endures in the ideals of ComStar, the Word of Blake and the Clans. And it will outlast you and your "Hegemony" bitch.

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>>97616097
If by that you mean they're sanctimonious, mass murdering invaders, then yeah the Word of Blake and Star League are the exact same.

Dors anybody have the reference sheet for the battlefield asset stats, from the new Mercs box?

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>>97615930
Knew the plot seemed familiar. Absolutely loathed that fan fiction of a game being made "canon"

>>97616111
This. The only real difference between the Blakists and the SLDF is the Wobbies have a religious bent to everything, and with the way people romanticize the SL, the Camerons, and Kerensky, plus how the Clans turned out, it's not that much different.
Unironically the guy who put in the most work trying to make the SL look good for the rest of the the IS and human civilization as a whole wasn't even Ian Cameron, it was Albert Marik of the FWL. Ian Cameron was a warlord with fancy tech.

>>97616146
Well to be fair the game itself isn't actually canon, just a source book that's a lot more canon compliant based on the game's events. The actual canon around the AugReach is a lot more vague too.

Genuinely, how can anyone unironically like the Star League?
I get it from the in-universe perspective of ignorance, but as a real person with knowledge of the setting?

>>97616186
They're the closest thing to good guys in the setting. They wanted a united Sphere, improved the lives of everyone under them, protected them, kept the GHouses from sperging out etc

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It's a shame the ComStar Explorer Corps are kind of a forgotten, background thing. It's an awesome part of the setting I'd love to see explored more. Tons of potential there.

Mate wants to do a campaign between my WoB and his ComStar.
52nd Shadow Division vs ComGuard.
Kino.
We Holy War soon.

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>>97615944
>I'm wondering, what war in the history of Battletech would have the most space battles?
Reunification War and 1st Succession War. Honorary mention to Task Force Serpent although most of that comes about by accident rather than design.
>is there any conflict that was fought almost entirely in the void, as in the major battles were won in space and the ground combat was a smaller, less important part of the conflict?
No although the closest you'll get is the Reunification War, Taurian Front and that is mostly void combat featuring hand to hand combat floating on asteroids in exosuits.
First Succession War does feature a lot of warship combat though it mainly is trying to destroy military and industrial targets with enough nuclear hellfire that would you average Blakist positively moist.
If ASF in particular were a lot more common and popular it does break the setting a little as they can hard counter so much when used correctly.
>>97616186
They're dicks surrounded by assholes and pussies. They may fuck over all the pussies in the Periphery but they also fuck the assholes known as the Great Houses and did a good job of stopping them completely shitting over everything for a while. Hence when the Star League dissolved and most of the SLDF went on exodus everything went to shit fast.

>>97615930
>>97616146
I just imagine the discussion with her advisors over why she decided a merc unit consisting of a single lance with a sub 200t combined weight needs to be given a lost tech space station (literally what the Argo is dropships that cant drop are dumb)


>>97616219
You two need to agree each gets one free nuke to use during the campaign

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>>97616219
I hope that halfway through the battle a ceasefire is declared so both sides can offer up prayers to Blake!
>>97616348
>I just imagine the discussion with her advisors over why she decided a merc unit consisting of a single lance with a sub 200t combined weight needs to be given a lost tech space station
Game is really bad fucking fan fiction.

What is a good beginner scenario to get into Aerospace combat? I own TW but Jesus that is one convoluted read, and I don't really know where to start.

I was thinking two fighters per side and just roll some dice, but what even are the introtech fighters?

(and sidenote how does heat effect aerospace fighters?)

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>>97616399
Sparrowhawk and Corsair are good choices for introtech fighters and learning the ropes. Can get their RS from 3039. Use the Sparrowhawk for the first game and then the Corsair for the more advanced learning. Space map for first few games also might be an idea.

I'd recommend that you avoid TW for the rules by the way but instead go for Aerotech II as its much easier to follow imo and most of the rules have remained the same over time anyway.

Heat is different as it can be a bit more impactful and cause you to essentially lawdart if you are not careful. See attached for the thresholds.

Aerotech is autism made manifest just a word of warning as there can be a lot to keep track of especially with armor levels, gravity and fuel. Stick to learning ASF first before expanding to larger spacecraft.

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>>97616199
>They're the closest thing to good guys in the setting
They're literally the source of every single problem in the setting, and the cause, both direct and indirect, of all of the worst wars and atrocities in human history. The Reunification War was a horror show, the Succession Wars boiled down to the other Great Lords trying to claim the Camerons' throne, the harsh blackboxing and decentralization of advanced technology and industry led to the mass extinction of entire populations that the SL purposely made entirely dependent on them, pretty much everything involving the Clans and Comstar.
Star League last all of 200 years, barely a blip in the grand scheme of things, but its legacy is a plague that has, and will continue to, haunt humanity for generations to come.

>>97614962
It's 2 fucking circular blobs away from being complete, tge aurigans are vidya retcon bullshit and theyre on it, the canon since forever clans should be there.
And again, the dragoons are part of the IS in 3025, they know about it.

>>97615612
>"nobody wants the high speed high evasion C3+TAG carrier"

>>97616923
What I did was stick IJJs and Proto-TSM in an Ostcout as an experimental model that's built for handheld weapon systems.
I'm trying to think of a way to have more ammo for a handheld, and so I'm thinking of putting in a ton of cargo storage in one of the arms.

>>97616917
Can't blame them for what came after. At the time, they were the best there was in terms of standard of living and peace keeping forces.

>>97616111
>If by that you mean they're sanctimonious, mass murdering invaders
But that's everyone.

>>97616917
An equivalent of the Succession Wars would have kicked off if the Star League didn't form.

>>97616923
TAG is available on so many other mechs that have actual defensive loadouts

>>97616325
Yeah, I had a feeling it'd be one of the Star League wars of the 1st SW.

>No although the closest you'll get is the Reunification War, Taurian Front and that is mostly void combat featuring hand to hand combat floating on asteroids in exosuits.
Kino, will look into

>>97615853
I'm pretty sure the general agreement is that the beam rifle on the og Gundam is roughly as powerful as an IS large laser, been pistols on RG's are roughly akin to Light PPC's, and the Zaku carries an AC5 equivalent.
As for range, without ecm interferenc BT weapons shoot pretty much as far as they can see.
Meanwhile pretty much every Mobile Suit is shown being torn apart or destroyed by a single hit from said AC5 and LPPC equivalents with even the tougher ones getting wrecked by PPC equivalent blows.
If an MS is hit by BT weaponry it is dead, and none of them are fast or evasive enough to avoid being hit, and they lack the frame inherent ecm to not be raped at range.

>>97616917
>>97617456
The great houses were fighting to become the sole ruler of the inner sphere long before the star league appeared. The formation of the star league and soft unification of the inner sphere that caused is what brought an end to the proto-succession war that was the age of war in the first place.
The star league is the reason there's a 200 year lack of apocalyptic free for all total war in the inner sphere after their formation and before their dissolution. And it was objectively humanity's highest point in terms of average quality of life, technological achievement, and various other pinnacles.

>>97617512
This, the seeds of the Star League was the Terran Hegemony and Free Worlds League saying "Hey, what if we stopped nuking each other." The Age of War is called that for a reason. Mackies weren't invented for fun.

Could the FedCom have won the War of 3039 if things went a little differently?

>>97617512

Yeah, although the post league era probably wouldn't have been as bad as it was if the Telephone company hadn't decided to put their hand on the scales.
Sure, it could have maybe have ended up that way anyway given time. But no way would it have gotten to the comedic levels of not being able to build FTL starships any more that the Succession Wars ended up causing.

>>97615996
God's, I love how chunky it looks, it reminds me of ww2 strategic bombers

Would you rather pilot crusader or archie

>>97617697

Yeah, easily. They rushed things because certain people on the border got cocky and pushed too hard for action, and still hadn't properly consolidated their Steiner and Davion units into a proper single fighting force at the time. Then on the other side, the Dracs finally get a commander with Main Character energy who is capable of scurrilous things like "Tactics" "Strategy" and "Not being a moronic generic villain". Then, once more, you have Comstar's Margret Thatch... sorry "Myndo Waterly" sticking her oar in again and dumping a load of SL era mechs onto the Dracs as part of Operation Rosebud, but MUCH more critically, gave Teddy the idea to pull and old HoI4 trick and liberate the Rasslehog Republic as neutral buffer state.
Realistically, if two of those things weren't there, then FedCom could have either won 39, or at the very least made large gains.

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>>97617712
Archer is king.

>>97617712

>What model of oven would you like to be cooked in?

>>97617752
WoB Protomechs will never look right to me.

>>97617705
They never lost the ability to make jumpships, only to design new ones due to a sharp lack of scientists with that specialty, but the shipyards were able to continue making the same old designs without having anyone on staff who knew exactly why it worked in detail.

>>97617712
I guess it depends on the variants. The CRD-6T is one of my favorite mechs, but it's the exception to the Crud family in that it's not a walking ammo bomb.

>>97617712
Archer, then I can do sick kung fu moves.

>>97617712
Steiner Archer

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>>97617712
Archer. Sit on my hilltop watching over my homies, in the shade of some trees if they're around, expend all my ammo, fuck off back to base for afternoon tea and reloads. Anybody runs up on me and they get a couple of lasers for their trouble, even if the sneaky shits try and get behind me. Then they get introduced to my battlefists followed by a swift kick to the dick. Everyone on the squad wants to keep me alive, so I'll have back up when I need it. I'm sitting in a command mech so I may even be in charge. I can get the ECM, I can get the Artemis FCS, I can get the special ammo, I can even get my snitches TAGing and NARCing motherfuckers for me. C3? We can get on that network too.
The Archer life is legit.

Would the Archer have been better if it's movement was 3/5/3 instead?

>>97617712
Give me the 9S Crusader. I want to fight dropships

>>97618673
You appear to be implying that the Archer isn't good at 4/6. Or that the 9M is a joke to you at 3/5/5.

>>97618673
That's just a Longbow with jump jets.

>>97617468
Tag+C3+the mobility to be where it needs to be

>>97615612
I use it to deliver magnetic BA. 7/11/8 is a perfectly good movement profile to dump some fleas on a back line fatty.

>>97614360
Obviously a Blakuck. Their questionable genetics and physical resemblance to the chimp can't be ignored.

>>97615150
I'm not sure- at least a recent one. I've personally only have seen fan made ones and the maps from Vidya.

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>>97615853
>The weakest MS, a Zaku
>rocking an AC/20 equivalent with kilometers of range
Da fuck are you talking about?

>>97615862
>the tech tree is nothing but side grades, and the mechs themselves dont reflect the advancement of technology at all
You don't have a game otherwise moron...

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>>97619137
Generally speaking you can model more grounded MS pretty acceptably in BT as particularly fast and premium Medium Mechs.

Behold, an MS. It just need quirks/equipment to move in zero-G.

>>97619208
Is its soul weighed down by gravity?

>>97619255
I like you, anon.

Sieg Zeon

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>>97619121
Probably is one in this somewhere.

>>97619276
Dead center next to the melting nightstar. Love this pic and its goofy art.

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>>97619276
Found him.

>>97619276
That's what the WoB Jihad was like?! Fucking Hell, no wonder it was so destructive.

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>>97619276
I don't even know if you can call this art good. It is impressive technically (?) like there's loads of detail and you can make out a lot of it easily if you focus on one small part, but at the same time there's no focus, nothing grabs your attention, and everything kinda blends together

>>97619285
>>97619325
Probably could start a where's waldo game searching for certain units in the image? I think I have spotted a Rifleman II in the image but could be wrong?
>>97619342
Quietist front of the Jihad!
>>97619373
The only thing wrong about this is assuming you'd be able to do the rolls for all those units on the field in 6 hours. Frankly they'd be lucky to just finish the movement phase by then.
>>97619382
It also doesn't help there isn't a sense of scale. Everything is varying sizes and there is no consistency so you have assault mechs the size of lights for example which is very offputting.

>>97618536
Oh yeah, it's funny how the LRM boat is actually be really good for melee.

>>97619137
It's a 120mm firing as fast as a machine gun.

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>>97619121
Here's a Jihad one.

>>97619751
Oh man you mean like the General Motors Whirlwind as popularized on the Marauder? That's 120mms.

It's also an AC 5. Assuming it was a fully automatic model, it's at best a RAC 5.

>>97619751
Okay, that's what AC/20s do. One "shot" of any autocannon is an abstraction of whatever they actually shoot. For AC/20s 120mm is at the low end, which means higher fire rates. It hits in one chunk for the same abstract reason actual machine guns only hit in one chunk. The King Crab uses 120mm guns. Demolishers use 185mm guns.

>>97619208
You even have reliable handhelds available after the 80s, and IJJs and/or PW for faster movement. You can totally build a Mobile Suit in late Battletech.

I wonder if just saying any AC can fire as if it were the smaller classes would fix them. Let the AC/20 fire as an AC/10, 5, or 2, representing getting less rounds on target from further away, out to single round sniping with the AC/2 profile.

>>97619837
Isn't that just a copy of a snub PPC essentially? I also do not believe that would make them more viable and the alt ammo changes were the way to go.

>>97619208
I always thought the Wraith looked like something by Kunio Okawara, too. Maybe one of his wackier Zeon MS, or one of the bad guys from Vifam.

>>97619837
That doesn't really 'fix' the AC, it just makes the lighter ACs even less useful. If you're AC/20 and 10 can also snipe and plink, why the fuck would you ever use an AC/5 or 2?
And frankly I'm tired about hearing about how ACs need to be fixed, they have plenty of utility and sidegrades and niches and special munitions already, it's just that most people don't use any of it. All you'd be doing is just adding another optional rule most people will glaze over while complaining about how much ACs suck.

>>97619775
Too soon >:(

>>97619947
>why the fuck would you ever use an AC/5 or 2?
People already ask that even with full access to special ammo.

>>97619989
And the answer is even stupider than the question: It's on my mech, why wouldn't I shoot it?

AC's use cases explode exponentially when non-mech enemies appear on the board as well; and that's even before good specialty ammo hits the scene.

As soon as you get out of introtech slugging matches the AC starts to become increasingly attractive.

>>97620011
>AC's use cases explode exponentially when non-mech enemies appear on the board as well; and that's even before good specialty ammo hits the scene.
This is cope, doing 8 or 10 damage to a tank and also doing a mobility crit is better than doing 2 damage and hoping for a crit.

Personally, I think all ACs should have the same range as a 2 if you don't move that turn, with 2s being light enough that they can fire on the move without extra penalties.

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I'm rusty on later eras lore, did the clans ever invest into stealth armor for their mechs or elementals?

>>97620116
There are isolated examples of both, with BA stealth being a bit more common

>>97620116
Somewhat but limited and usually seen as dezgra iirc.
Stealth tech is still mostly a Cappie thing.

>>97620110
The answer is solaris rules and always has been

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>>97614602
Time to put a face to this mech!

>>97620392
To be fair, the most statistically likely killer of a nigger is another nigger.

BAs should go extinct along with WarShips in order to focus more on the mechs

>>97620037
... what are you talking about bro? I was talking about Flak to splat VTOLs and as a poor-man's Flechette. And not praying they stop in your optimal ranges when they literally fucking fly.

>>97620452
When this thread discusses the AC-2 and AC-5, it's common to get people making a strange kind of cognitive error where they assume the lucky crit scenario is somehow more likely when that's the only way those weapons can seriously contribute.

>>97620407
Stay in 3025, grognard. Everyone knows you want to stay there

>>97620407
If anything, conventional infantry should go extinct and platoons of BA and especially PA(L) should replace them. Just shift initiative so that massed BA moves by the platoon rather than by the squad.

>>97620594
Mass BA, Protos and Mechs would be kino.

>>97620602
One thing I've been wanting for a while is a system to integrate BA and conventional infantry. Instead of a support weapon, this squad has a BA member. Or maybe this platoon has a squad of BA and two squads of CI. I don't think it would be too hard to implement mechanically, the biggest thing would be working out a hit location chart that fairly distributes incoming fire. BA can already do conventional infantry attacks with their AP weapons, and movement can just be dictated by the slowest involved.

>>97620632
Support BA elements would be pretty interesting. A handful of BA sprinkled in amid the hordes of standard schmucks would likely be hard to balance and make worth it, but it'd make sense in universe imo

>>97620637
>>97620632
Or fireteams of BA of differing types. Say, an Inner Sphere Standard, Grenadier, Cuchalainn, and Longinus.

>>97620632
I mean that would be nice. I actually picked up BA entirely under the assumption they'd be working in close concert with infantry elements; either to take out other infantry or deter the big dogs coming to eat.

>>97620707
You can just have them stick together, it's just not elegant. Incoming fire can still freely choose to attack either one and you start to bloat your initiative if you have too much, which is generally a dick move to do on purpose. The initiative thing can be solved in various ways at least.

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>>97613324
Fast is fun

>>97620923
More Regulans?

>>97620949
2nd Arkab

>>97620950
I tend to forget about the Kermes.

>>97620407
HEY HERB, you giant faggot. warships still making you shit your pants in rage?

>>97620960
They still haven't put the record sheets up for the 6K, 7K, and 2R.

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Unpopular opinion, but I think ayyys could fit into Battletech but as fringe, distant encounters. I remember reading a fanfic where a Star Trek society encounters some Federated cucks and it essentially plays out like a old school Star Trek episode- only from the perspective of the aliens Kirk and Spock outsmart. The whole tone reminded me of 'Spirit of the Gun' with Alien Kirk even holding the mechwarrior at his mercy and sparing him, with everyone assuming they were just retarded hippies from the periphery- the true nature of the visitors only revealed in the very end. Another cool idea was an encounter with old school Verne aliens with invasive red weeds with the Mechwarriors having to take on tripods and contain the invasive flora, Battletech I swear even had rules for a tripod mech back in the day.

>>97621614
>Battletech I swear even had rules for a tripod mech back in the day.
Yes, tripods are a thing.
Aliens in Battletech would be hella gay.

>>97621614
Aliens in Battletech are unga bungas. You find out about them by visiting an orbital observation station or hearing about a cappie soldier who wandered down the wrong tunnel and was torn limb from limb by a bunch of man-apes.

>>97621614
Actually present Intelligent aliens would be a distracting sideshow in Battletech. There's plenty of fighting between mankind in the Inner Sphere, having some other creature of substantial intelligence encroaching would polarize factions and suddenly make the entire setting about them. Are the cappies pro or anti skubalien? What about the fedrats? Do the clans fight the aliens? Can they learn zellbrigen? Why would they use battlemechs? Do they have their own kinds of battlemechs? How many years will it be until house royal guard units are just full of mixtech alien-clan-IS models that vomit rainbows and teleport?

There's room for more alien life I think for specialized cavalry and I'm not sure I would mind some limited bioweapons, but even being able to answer the question 'are we alone in the universe' in the Inner Sphere fucks a lot of the setting. Pretty much the only reason Far Country isn't considered the worst thing ever is that nobody that exists outside of the novel knows about or gives a shit about aliums.

What if every encounter with aliens turns out to just be another group of weirdo humans that grew a freaky culture somewhere else deep into the galaxy, like the Clanners?

>>97621679
The Far Country birds aren't even close to the only intelligent aliens in the setting. There's literally an entire category of aliens called neopithecanthropus that are definitively intelligent. They're also universally in the stone age and so completely unremarkable that no one in the setting cares except for specialized xenoanthropologists. "Are we alone in the universe" is answered in the setting, and the answer is no. It's not a secret, some of these are very well known species. Nobody gives a fuck.

>>97621683
eh, at a certain point the fake outs get old. That said I'm perfectly fine with sentient aliens being mostly ungabunga stone age tier who BT humans just kinda poke at and ignore.
Like, there are plenty of strange aliens that are canon in Battletech, they're just not the focus. The line drawn shouldn't be aliens, it should be space faring aliens. Aliens with the ability to travel out of the atmosphere would completely ruin the time of the setting.

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>>97621614
The trouble with Sapient Aliens is less the concepts they could draw from and moreso that in order to do them in a way that is fitting to Battletech, you need to handle two points.

1) Every species that gets added divided up into multiple polities just like the inner sphere which would need a great deal of work to get them all flesh out, especially if you are keeping a decent pace of events going on in the Inner Sphere proper.
2) You have to counter the dumbasses that would be hammering for the Inner Sphere to unify along species lines - squashing the traits of the great houses - in order to force yet another variant of the myriad of mono-human nations that exist across Sci-Fi, Space Operas, Science Fantasy, etc. The Star League having prior existed and been reestablished before makes this even harder.

These are some royal bastards to deal with.

>>97621637
>>97621614

OOOoooooooo
Laaaaaaaaaa!

The chances of anything coming from mars,
Are a million to one, he said!

>>97621703
Yeah that's a better way of articulating my concern really: Aliens as a faction hammers the landscape of Battletech flat, or would require so much legwork to expand that the effort would have been better spent filling out the dozens upon dozens of blank pages in IS and Clan history that already exists waiting for somebody to type something up.

More than that, their addition would have to be meaningful for gameplay to not be just be stapling more science fiction onto the science fiction IP to hopefully prop it up.

>>97621692
When you think about it, humans in BT universe are the ancient precursor race that shows up in nearly every SF setting, only we're at the point in the timeline where everybody else is still in stone age. Maybe in a few million years the descendants of the bird people and the ape-men will be exploring ancient human ruins and discover Clantech that's far more advanced than anything their own species has developed.

>>97621614
War of the Worlds: Battletech Edition could work as an one-off AU setting like Gothic (in fact, they already did it once for a Halloween campaign, though the "Martians" were just Stoner spooks with experimental tripod mechs), but introducing spacefaring aliens in the actual BT timeline wouldn't work narratively.
BT is ultimately a story that revolves around political and military struggles between human factions (when it's not just about big stompy robots blowing each other up). Aliens would just complicate the dynamic or feel tacked on, because the odds are they would not be fleshed out to the same degree as the cultures of the Inner Sphere.
Just look at Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri, which added aliens in the expansion. The human factions in the base game all have distinct and fleshed out ideologies that define their goals and philosophies. The aliens just have two factions consisting of the asshole aliens and the marginally less asshole aliens. Infinity also has a similar issue, where the humans have multiple distinct factions with their own cultures (and those factions have their own sub-factions), but the aliens have only two: the not!Covevant from Halo (evil alien empire consisting of multiple species, but all under one rule so the variety just boils down to having different looking models for different units) and the other guys who barely get any screentime because their only role in the narrative is opposing the other alien faction and therefore being a potential ally with humans.

>>97621701
>That hand symbol
Wait a second, are they all Blakists?

>>97619751
The AC5 as used on the Marauder, Shadowhawk, and dozens more, is a 120mm automatic cannon firing 3 round bursts.

>>97619751
Wonderful class 5 autocannon you got there.

>>97621915
>>97621937
King crab and various other units are equipped with 120mm AC/20s.

>>97621982
Yeah, but the mass, size, range, and damage aren't anywhere near what a Zaku machinegun performs.

>>97621987
There's next to no directly comparable metrics besides rate of fire and caliber.
Damage can't be compared because armor and damage is highly abstract.
Mass and size are irrelevant even if we had the specifics of both.
Range can't be compared because BT range is also highly abstract.

>>97622013
Maybe yeah again, but Battletech came out after Gundam did. The standard PPC is almost verbatim a Beam Rifle from Gundam, just without the Minovsky particles. Other than that, the technical description and effect on target are almost identical to each other. Originally, Battletech as a setting was for nerds to stat their favorite mech so they can fight each other, and it's no coincidence that certain weapons would fit well in certain classes.

>>97622023
>The standard PPC is almost verbatim a Beam Rifle ... effect on target are almost identical to each other

You either never watched gundam or did so long enough ago you have forgotten key details.

>>97621637
Battletech has had non-humans since forever. The Capellans are right there.

>Beam cannon, a literal capital ship grade weapon miniaturized into a rifle, able to core any MS in one shot and slice battleships in half, only counts as an L laser or PPC

Lol
Lmao

The only advantage I can think of that BT has over (UC era only) Gundam is lasers that don't need ammo and Battle Armor being a thing... and even then MS are much more dextrous and can easily pull BA off while a mech would clumsily punch itself.

>>97622013
BT range is outright stated to be "LOS" with only ecm interference preventing it, and good enough pilots can still land horizon range hits - and yes, there are rules for it.
Bt armour shrugs small lasers off like rain, and we know they can gut a modern gen 3 MBT with no issue.
Zaku's are shown shooting buildings and infantry, we can extrapolate from these shots that the 120mm the Zaku carries does not hit much harder than a modern 120mm, and its main strength is its rate of fire.
Ergo we can actually posit that a Zaku carries at best an AC5 and more likely a Medium Rifle (upgraded from Light to allow for rof).
Anything short of a Gundam can be disabled by a hit from the Zaku, therefore we can posit that most early units have BAR 3 or 4 armour, with only the Gundams having BAR 6. Later suits do improve this but then start ditching armour for engines and jumpjets.
Ergo, a Zaku is a primitive mech with BAR 4 armour, either an AC5 or Medium Rifle, and a Hatchet and Small Shield that moves 5/8/2, the latter allowing for the jumps they are shown to do in shows.

>>97622359
Gundam warships get damaged by cannon fire, they are very obviously only using BAR 7 armour at best. Anything in Battletech would shit all over them

>>97622359
>and even then MS are much more dextrous
And I forgot this retardation. Battlemechs can do handstands and cartwheels if the pilot is good enough. They move almost like giant infantrymen. They are just as dexterous as an MS.

>>97622393
That's not how the BAR system works

>>97622417
Lol, when was the last time you saw a BM do anything like this? It's been basically retconned out of the setting. If a mech did a cartwheel or a roll it'd be accused of being "weebshit" by new fans and grogs alike and you know it.

>>97620404
Nice to know I was accurate then!

>>97621614
>>97621679
>>97621683
Please no. Battletech is fine enough as 'murica gundam sans space magic. The closest I'll accept to this concept is if they canonize the Neosapiens from EXO Squad.

>>97622516
I think there is definitely a disconnect between the lore and the actual game because the lore talks about how mechs are just as dexterous as humans, but the game has them falling down constantly from doing something as simple as walking into water or running on pavement so it's hard to square them.

>>97622359
The tradeoff is that beam weaponry in Gundam overheats the weapon itself and not the mobile suit.

>>97622516
>>97622704
I for one prefer it if BMs moved like they came out of Robot Jox over having them move like in most Gundam anime with Armored Core being the sweet spot in the middle.

>>97622966
I am still disappointed to this day Battletech never copied the chainsaw benis from Robot Jox.

>Obviously there is a lot of heavy lifting going on to justify the events of Dominion Divided and to make that source book make sense. And I think that, with that being the objective, Star Crossed Warriors does a good job of its task. But the end result, combined with A Question of Survival, is that this is achieved by essentially a complete assassination of the Rasalhague Dominion. Basically the Rasalhague Dominion we all heard about and which many of us loved, the successfully blended nation of Clan and Inner Sphere was never anything more than a propaganda pitch, the reality being a failed state that simply hadn't died yet. The message? That it basically seems impossible to actually have a clan successfully integrate with the Inner Sphere.
>On the one hand, I think this is a totally valid narrative if that's the direction they want it to go. But I HATE it. I was never even a particularly huge Ghost Bear fan but I really liked the Rasalhague Dominion, what it represented and the niche it had carved out. But its basically been completely undone to make Dominions Divided make sense, and in service of damn Alaric. I hate this direction and what it bodes for the future, and I'm curious what others think.

>>97623452
>That it basically seems impossible to actually have a clan successfully integrate with the Inner Sphere.
He's not wrong here. Clan culture is so twisted and focused on ideological purity that it really can't coexist with any other culture without one or both of them completely changing to fit. For them to actually integrate, the warrior caste would need to be heavily diluted and lose a lot of their political power, which they will never give up voluntarily.

>>97622386
Don't forget about being oversized since they're twice the height of a mech, but the same mass

>>97623452
Assimilation of IS and Clan culture is rarely possible. Only reason it worked at all for the Scorpion Empire was because the people were literal dirt farmers and even then, there was a huge struggle. The Dominion was always the Ghost Bears subjugating everyone and by giving them a modicum of autonomy, convincing the people they weren't stepping on their necks. Anyone thinking otherwise never read the books and just took what other people said at face value.

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Uh...battletech bros? I think we met our match...

>>97622386
>and we know they can gut a modern gen 3 MBT with no issue.
Pretty sure all the weapons mobile suits carry also do that.
>Zaku's are shown shooting buildings and infantry, we can extrapolate from these shots that the 120mm the Zaku carries does not hit much harder than a modern 120mm, and its main strength is its rate of fire.
Don't AC/20s do one damage to infantry units?

>>97623635
We do not grant that mech the rank of crab.

>>97623651
They do 2 damage to infantry without special ammo. Flechette ammo does 20 damage to conventional infantry. 40 in an open hex.

>>97623452
The truth is I prefer this direction in the GBD, the idea that the Hogs, traditional stubborn, rebellious people, just suddenly started singing Kumbaya together in eternal harmony with an even more totalitarian culture than the one they were seceded out of made no sense whatsoever.
It being a propaganda pitch for what was in reality basically a segregated society that is so far split it's basically two states in a trenchcoat makes way more sense.
The family meme is just unironically Communism, entire systems of people aren't going to suddenly see each other as some tight knit community with complete strangers because the new government mandated it.

>>97623651
Most weapons do damage/10 to infantry units, but that one or two guys they kill are really, really fucking dead. The kind of dead where what remains of them has to be collected with a mop and bucket.

>>97623706
they fought the wolves and lost they are broken people

>>97623452
>never anything more than a propaganda
Wait. This leads me to question whether the Draconis Combine is truly a paradise of honorable samurai and virtuous, humble peasants proudly serving the divine Coordinator's vision for a peaceful, prosperous Inner Sphere. Are the Friendly Pursuaders not actually friendly after all? I need to rethink EVERYTHING now...

>>97621266
The Shrapnel page still has not been updated to show #23, and #24 is about to release next month.

>>97624214
>muh gay fanfiction
Boohoo, kys.

>>97624256
yeah

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>>97623428
I'm sure this has not deterred people from trying to re-create it in Meklab.

>>97624393
There is no hip area on the mech, just torso then immediately legs.
So you put your buzz saw in the centre torso and now you have chainsaw cock within the existing RAW

>>97624430
The perfect weapon for teabagging a downed clanner with

>>97624076
The actual equivalent would be if the warlords of benjamin and dieron abruptly went to all out war with each other and the coordinator was helpless to stop it because, oops, didn't you know it's impossible to control ambitious warlords?

The other big objection I have to the GB civil war is that the clanners should have gotten crushed due to being badly outnumbered by a force with tech parity.

>>97623757
Something tells me the people hit by gundam's 120mm machinegun are left in a similar state.

>>97624430
The hip, along with the upper leg, lower leg and foot, are crit areas located in each leg.

>>97617712
As much as I love the archer, specifically the C version that reproduces the steiner archer, but with clantech, c2 or c3?

The crusader is just outright cooler.

You empty those lrm fist bins asap, and then made in punching with both arms as you empty the leg arms.

It goes without saying that your first move in any match ever is to open the mg bin and empty the ammo onto the ground, if your mechtech was stupid enough to ignore your order and load mg ammo in the first place.

The crusader and archer are both designed to empty their bins, they're not MEANT to still have ammo left at the end of a fight.
In that regard they're like strike fighters or bombtrucks. They're supposed to go out, deliver their payloads, and come back.

>>97624076
Sounds like someone has had a little too much to think. Don't worry, citizen, the friendly persuaders, DEST and the ISF are on their way to help remind you of your duty to the dragon.

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>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-10
Today's issue of Japanese RPG magazine scan
No new custom mechs from now on, only tutorials

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>>97624957
also, bot

>>97624788
Within that section, but much like upper and lower arm actuators are separate from the weapons in the arms, the chainsaw can be in any of those arbitrarily

>>97624964
Beep boop surrender all waifus. You have five seconds to comply.

>>97624964
It looks like its rushing to give out headpats?

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>>97624964

Anyone have all the missing Mech Mag iddues"? There are alot missing

>>97625693
As the anon that scanned some last summer, I got a few more. I just haven't had time to fuck with it as my job has me running ragged. Maybe, this summer.

>>97624908

The CS comstar version they came up with for Turk is still objectively hilarious. The second highest LRM throw-weight of any IS mech in the game apart from the Viking as they somehow managed to cram four LRM-15's into a single Archer as well as enough heat-sinks to allow it to fire all of them each turn.

There is however the downside of the... exploding knees.

>>97621772
I like that intepretation. Battletech looked at the Fermi Paradox and settled on one of the answers: "We're the first to make it past the filter, unlikely as that is". At least within the distances BT is working with.
I sort of like that about the setting. Not a lot of sci-fi that just straight up says we're the first to the point of having other very primitive but clearly intelligent ayylmaos.

That being said, WotW tripod mechs absolutely fuck, give 'em a heat ray and everything.

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>>97623664
What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's not Fair!

>>97624256
Don't give a shit about the fanfic. All I want are the RS.

>>97625981
>unlikely as that is
Not unlikely actually, observing the state of background radiation in the universe, and our galaxy in particular, scienrists have noted that life on earth seems to have developed at the earliest interval where it was possible for complex cellular tissues to form and remain stable with being destroyed by radiation damage.
A very plausible answer to the fermi paradox is "we are the first" or "we are amongst the first" and the reality of speed of causality means none of the firsts will be able to observe each other for at least tens of thousands of years yet.

>>97623635
Finally mechs vs kaiju! Now to get some creation rules for them.

>>97626640
You have either badly misunderstood something or you are reading some real cranks. A ten or twenty thousand year head start is nothing when you are talking about geological and evolutionary time scales

>>97626675
>10 or 20k
Buddy im talking the beginning of life on earth period, get your timeframes straightened the fuck out before chirping on this topic.

>>97622359
The ships in Gundam are dogshit. They'd barely compete with Dropships in terms of armament.

>>97622966
If mechs were as comically slow and clumsy as robot jox they would not be practical war machines.
>>97622417
Yet they lose all of their dexterity the moment battle armor touches them.

>>97626984
NTA, but you'd probably lose some dexterity too if bees were stinging your eyes

>>97626984
>Yet they lose all of their dexterity the moment battle armor touches them.
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>Cover of Citytech 2.hpg

>>97621614
They actually did a War of the Worlds crossover once, but it got retconned as RISC agents disguised as aliens.

>>97626984
BA are more analogous to being attacked by a pack of dogs less than brushing soot off of your jacket. You need to be able to do effectual damage to them to actually maim or kill them to get them off of you; and they're not remaining stationary either; if you don't do effectual damage to them they may remount you.

Now give that dog a laser gun, have it grab behind your back between your shoulder blades and decide exactly how gentle you plan on being trying to get it off before it severs your spine.

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>>97627073
You can sorta feel the feedback off your mech's sensors and BA swarming your mech must feel like getting attacked by a of rats jumping and climbing all over you while they scratch and bite at your skin and try to get at your eyes.
Shit I'd be flailing around too.

>>97627116
The feedback's not 1:1 for what you and the mech feel, but the idea that at least 4-6 power armored guys are outside and moments away from tearing apart your cockpit wouldn't ease the nerves

>>97627094
>You need to be able to do effectual damage to them to actually maim or kill them
Grab it with your mech's hand and crush it if your mech is so dexterous.
>Now give that dog a laser gun, have it grab behind your back between your shoulder blades and decide exactly how gentle you plan on being trying to get it off before it severs your spine.
Not at all analogous. There is no risk to grabbing BA and ripping it off your mech and crushing it in your mech's hand.

>>97627185
This anon thinks he'd win in a fight against 4 pitbulls with his bare hands

>>97627191
BA is like 1/16 the size of a mech, not one quarter, they're not protomechs.
I think I'd win a fight against five rats trying to kill me.

>>97627185
>Step 0: Have lower arm actuators and hands on your mech.
>Step 1: Catch the Battle Armor as it actively attempt to evade your grasp, firing its weapons.
>Step 2: Crush the occupant one-handed; which for reference a Clan Elemental has 10 points of armor; meaning you will only kill the occupant if you are piloting an 100 ton mech.
>Step 3: Try not to die to the 3 to 5 other battle armors that you've left completely unmolested that are drilling you with all their weapons focus fire.
>Step 4: Repeat this for up to an entire fucking minute and try not to die.

>>97627274
>Catch the Battle Armor as it actively attempt to evade your grasp, firing its weapons.
It's either evading or it's firing its weapons while crawling on your mech.
>Crush the occupant one-handed; which for reference a Clan Elemental has 10 points of armor; meaning you will only kill the occupant if you are piloting an 100 ton mech.
It's pretty horrible writing if a mech can't immediately destroy an object that fits in its hand that is between 1/20 to 1/100 its own mass.
>Try not to die to the 3 to 5 other battle armors that you've left completely unmolested that are drilling you with all their weapons focus fire.
Considering they're equipped with medium lasers, that should not be difficult unless you've just gotten out of a fight with an equivalent mech.

>>97627289
You forget that Battle Armor has it's own armor and myomer and the battle claw that's actively cutting your mech's myomer

>>97627347
>You forget that Battle Armor has it's own armor and myomer
An incredibly small quantity compared to the mech it's attacking. Just as a human 1/50 your size would not be able to defeat your grasp despite also having muscles, and would be instantly crushed.
>and the battle claw that's actively cutting your mech's myomer
That needs to get through your armor to do that in the first place.

>>97624733
What if the Combine ceded a bunch of worlds to create a new nation and a bunch of samurai lost their collective minds and started a civil war over it? Or what if a whole Clan settled in the Combine then backed their own puppet candidate for Coordinator in a succession crisis that caused a civil war?
Or what if the Coordinator was in a struggle for control with her own Gunji no Kanrei, who had been effictively ruling as if she were merely a figurehead?
And the less said about the von Rohrs, the better.
I don't know why the Ghost Bears having a civil war over something as important to Clan society as whether or not the Third Star League is legit or not is so fucking egregious to you.

According to the rules as written, the battle claw does negligible damage and the real hitting power comes from the entire BA squad coordinating the fire of their ranged weapons. Often this is enough to destroy the cockpit, or at least pierce the rear armor of a mech.

>>97627359
Relative to the area that the Battle Armor's taking up, it's actually closer than you'd think. Battle Armor's not hitting the entirety of the mech with a single hit, it's focusing on a single, small area on that mech. Prying at actuators in directions they aren't supposed to move, deliberately aiming at weak points on a mech that it can't miss because it's grabbed onto it.
You're also arguing under the assumption that your mech is going to be acting perfectly calm in an ambush scenario against an opponent that it can't actually see well. Do you seriously think that everyone who's in a mech will be able to act with perfect judgement in an ambush scenario?

>>97627373
Because they already voted on that, said it was legit, and only started the war because Alaric threw a tantrum. All of the civil wars you mention make a degree of sense, the inciting incident for the Dominion civil war was kinda retarded.

>>97627385
>kinda retarded
We are talking about the Clans here.

>>97627384
>Relative to the area that the Battle Armor's taking up, it's actually closer than you'd think.
If battletech myomer works in a reasonable manner, it does not.
It will have, at most, an equally proportional mass of myomer relative to the mech it's attacking, i.e. an elemental will have 1/50 the myomer of a hunchback.
And that's being generous, since elemental battle armor needs to make a lot of space for the human wearing it.
Could a human weighing two pounds overpower even one of your fingers? For reference, that's a fraction of the weight of a newborn baby.
>Prying at actuators in directions they aren't supposed to move
An elemental is not going to be able to maintain the leverage to do that while evading, it gets grabbed and crushed trying to do that.
>deliberately aiming at weak points on a mech that it can't miss because it's grabbed onto it.
If it has time to do that, I have time to grab it.
>You're also arguing under the assumption that your mech is going to be acting perfectly calm in an ambush scenario against an opponent that it can't actually see well.
Grabbing or swatting something that jumped on me with near perfect accuracy in under a second is a reflex movement.
Either mechs are dexterous enough to do this or they're not.

>>97627373
>Theodore Kurita, protagonist, cunningly manipulates all the radicals who won't listen to him into a doomed uprising
>The true heir to the throne flees a palace coup and takes refuge with the nova cats, but loses the ensuing war because it's the dark age.
>Main faction plot about palace politics around the coup winners
>Ghost bears betray their long term allies and are exactly 50/50 split on whether to completely submit to an exhausted clan wolf due to made up clan bullshit no one has cared about since 3052.
>Submit faction retains exactly 50% support when Alaric instantly reveals himself to be an targaryen-teir mad king, starts a civil war.

One of these things is not like the others.

>>97627416
It seems that someone needs to read up on specifics of the lore. Did you know that the Heavy Hauler exoskeleton has the same lifting strength as the Exo Industrialmech?
Remember, there are 6 elementals, your mech has to pay attention to what all of them are doing at once while not being able to see most of them at once.
You also fail to understand what people do when panicked. Your >>97627203 comparison to Battle Armor being rat-scale is wrong, it's closer to 1/8th. Mechs' aren't 30-40 meters tall. Protomechs also weirdly vary in scale with something like the Erinyes probably being closer to assault Battle Armor sizes despite being at protomech scales. But even if we use rats as a reference, how many videos have you seen of people panicking whenever a rat's on them? The rats aren't even deliberately trying to kill them, they're scared as hell, but often times they're able to crawl around wherever they want on a person.

>>97626634
If the book isn't canon, neither are the record sheets.

>>97627439
>It seems that someone needs to read up on specifics of the lore
Then I bet you can direct me to a source that states elementals have disproportionately greater strength than mechs, right?
>Your >>97627203 (You) comparison to Battle Armor being rat-scale is wrong, it's closer to 1/8th.
An elemental is between 1/20 to 1/100 the mass of a mech.
>how many videos have you seen of people panicking whenever a rat's on them
One would expect a trained soldier that is specifically prepared for this situation would have the nerve and wit to not become a useless, flailing, panicked mess the moment combat breaks out.

>>97627453
You don't seem to understand how an entire single Elemental couldn't even overpower or even damage a single finger on a mech. You have to be trolling
That mass has nothing to do with size, an Elemental is at least going to be 3 meters tall. Mechs are ranging from 8 meters to 16 meters. You don't even know this setting. You are trolling.
And now you're showing that you don't know anything about combat, thank you for your responses, but it looks like there's no point in talking to someone who doesn't care about anything.

>>97627461
>You don't seem to understand how an entire single Elemental couldn't even overpower or even damage a single finger on a mech
No, I don't think something with 1/50 my muscle mass could overpower my finger.
>That mass has nothing to do with size, an Elemental is at least going to be 3 meters tall.
Size is irrelevant, the size of BA and mechs vary, but has little bearing on their mass. It doesn't matter if an elemental is even theoretically of equal size to a mech if it has 1/50 the mass.
>And now you're showing that you don't know anything about combat
Many men throughout history have kept their nerve while being shot at. I suppose you specifically wouldn't be able to, but others have.

>>97627461
>>97627472
Both of you are guilty of white-room theorycrafting.

>>97627484
There is only theory regarding this topic.