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>>97604939
https://imgchest.com/p/xny82bpjwyb

Om Nom Nom https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97601257
Spellblade https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600413
Elf Shoemaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600415
Pathfinder https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600420
Fighter https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600518
Light Mage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97601046

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Justiciar Abilities: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/VYhO4YhKJo8pVREmJivrzQ

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>>97604939
Does the god from Unlocked Falna disappearing mean that they went else where or literally do not exist anymore? If it is the former, if they die, then your falna still locks, right?

>>97604946
Glutton or Realis Phrase?

>>97604988
Neither. Become level 6 to wring out all the benefits from falna and forget about advancing it. Forge a new path.

>>97604988
Probably Realis phrase having a higher level beats having a wider variety of skills.

>>97604985
I'd recommend asking on reddit so he'll definetly see it.

>>97605010
That sounds like a very good way to die of old age.

Rake status?

>>97604988
Glutton, doesn't rely on you being super motivated and has more versatility.

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>>97604985
For all intents and purposes they went elsewhere, so your falna never locks. However it's cyoa-guaranteed that they'd never be found or go back to heaven.

>>97604939
Can Sixth Sense sense internal structures? I'm thinking of using it to craft super well.

>>97605087
It can

>>97604939
Is this worth playing if I dropped the anime during season 2?

>>97604939
With Glutton, what influences the skills you eat from eating stuff? Can you control it?

>>97604956
when did this come out?

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>>97604946
>jobs to Bell
I don't even need to read them, I can sense it

>>97605277
I'm afraid you're only sensing your own weakness.

>>97605277
Damn you such a jobber you can't even imagine defeating a level 1 Bell as a level 5, that's a real skill issue

>>97604956
>>97602588
This author really needs to come here to announce his OC instead of doing in the wrong thread.
The multiplayer general doesn't play CYOAs properly like we do, they only like to larp/erp with each other.

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>>97605283
>I'm afraid
You should be

>>97605326
> Can't read more than two words
The education system has failed you.

>>97605172
The materials you eat would generally dictate the skills you get. So say you eat some armor that offers fire immunity, then once you check your skills you see you developed some minor fire resistance. Then you could find more fire-immunity gear to eat that would slowly enhance that skill. Similarly eating monsters or adventurers would give you skills in-line with the abilities they used when alive, and finding more people/monsters in that vein would then develop those skills.

As a general note on Glutton, the conversion rate is really bad. It's meant to be the ultimate long-term capstone, and benefits from builds that can pump a lot of time and resources into it without ending up poor and underequipped for the dungeon. Supporters, tamers, businessmen, people with wealthy gods and so on tend to benefit the most, while go-fast skills like realis phrase have horrible synergy.

>>97605344
> Supporters, tamers, businessmen, people with wealthy gods and so on tend to benefit the most,

Om nom nom keeps winning.

>>97605257
Yesterday

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>>97604956
>eccentric brilliance
>picture of elongated muskrat
kek, I can tell if this is a joke or if the author is serious.

>>97605478
Oh wait its billionaire. Never mind I have dyslexia.

>>97605344
harbinger 2 ever?

>>97605478
>elongated muskrat
>ratmachi
Its rats all the way down.

Why
WHY was it updated
FUCK
YOUUUUUU

Is the Danmachi fag the author? I bet he is
He couldn’t shut up about it because he was working on it

>>97605569
You'll get your cyoa posted and like it

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>>97605540
Some rats are better than others.

And yes
I’m fucking mad
I wasn’t even looking at cyoag for the past two days
And I come back to this shit
Fuck off

Why can’t you shit covered faggots make something actually original for once
Not this slop faggotry

I’m serious fuck you

>>97605577
Crazy how much 1 schizo can ruin an authors rep this badly

shut up tok

All franchise slop can get axed
All of it
ALL OF IT
Absolutely none of it is worthwhile

>>97605577
Apparently not. When asked how he felt about the danmarat, he said that he disliked him and would prefer he stopped.

The author literally cannot be trusted
I bet he even made it HARDER to be the strongest (I’m serious the amount of no fun allowed in his cyoas is unreal)

He can’t balance for shit
He should cry himself to sleep it’s so bad

Why's he having a meltie now?

>>97605598
He’s a liar; you think the Gil fag isn’t Gil either?
LMAO you are so fucking stupid
This general has been damaged beyond repair due to the ritual posters
It’s ALL bad

>>97605600
schizos work in mysterious ways.

>>97605600
You think I’m wrong?
You are a fucking idiotic freak

Is it time for a new schizo already?

>>97605604
Nice try danmarat. Next time try to make it less obvious that's its you.

>>97604939
damn inflation has to be crazy if 1 million is the average yearly salary

>>97605610
What’s schizoprenbic about being aware of patterns?
The timing is too convenient you fucktard
Actually killyourself

>>97605611
You probably made a build already and you’re calling ME the rat? LOOOOL

Danmarat is trying to play both teams I see. He's truly is a rat.

Get rid of ritual posters and this general could heal btw
You’re all closer to a cult now

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pick 1

you become the strongest but it feels like you have stuck your cock into a blender, you can never get used to this pain nor diminish it in any capacity

or

you can never win a fight again but you never need to shit or piss again

No refutations?
Wow. It’s almost like I’m right once again.

>>97605627
I use my meta-rights and make the person making this offer into a bimbo waifu then fuck him silly. Thank you.

Without Tokposting, without Gilposting, without Discord celebrity gossip, without Aro simping, without Aro hating, without all of that stuff, we would be soulless.

Not sure about the rat though. That thing can get thrown into a toilet and flushed.

>>97605643
No it’s all bad lol; you can bump threads without resorting to literal fucking cancer

>>97605627
option 2

I'd kill myself soon if I picked option 1. And being the strongest means what, that you can win weight lifting contests? There's not that much to be done with just strength.

>CYOA assumes I want to throw myself into combat constantly
I quite like living and quite dislike hurting others so I won't be playing your CYOA

>>97605648
But it’s not all bad. We bond over our shared hatred of Tok. We have done so for years.

>>97604939
The worst part about the update is that he didn’t nerf the shit that needed to be nerfed.

>>97604939
>not a single god build
It writes itself.

>>97604988
realis phrase is most OP when the holder has shone levels of willpower, even with the boost of human we don't have even half of that.

glutton on the other hand can be used by anyone.

>>97605612
If you consider that it's based on Japanese money, it makes sense.

>>97605678
Metamagic is still busted. Spirit Fire is still busted. This combination is still busted.

Nobody can even refute the fact that the cyoa is garbage because all franchise slop is certified garbage lmao; you’ve become blind to slop the same way you’ve become blind to your own stink you stinky motherfucker

>>97605698
>Metamagic is still busted
Seriously. You don’t need to buy any spells more expensive than 2pts since you can just turn them into tier 3 status. They may even be better overall.

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>>97604988
Realis Phrase is for picrel.

>>97605585
>Why can’t you shit covered faggots make something actually original for once
He did. Harbinger and Mythic Lands.

>>97605683
>even with the boost of human we don't have even half of that.
cuck your own adventure

I see an option to be like Zald. Where’s the option to be like Alfia? The true strongest character.

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>>97605585
>And yes
>I’m fucking mad
>I wasn’t even looking at cyoag for the past two days
>And I come back to this shit
>Fuck off
>Why can’t you shit covered faggots make something actually original for once
>Not this slop faggotry
>I’m serious fuck you

>>97605729
Uninspired capeslop and artificially forced balanced “nooo martials have to just as good as wizards nooo” Dee en Dee slop

Bell Cranel is for molestation. The entire setting appears to agree with me.

>>97605748
Hating rats is based though

>>97605762
Do not. Do not touch the Rabbit’s Foot.

>>97605762
Molestratchi...

>>97605753
matterjeeta...

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>>97604939
Squeeek!

>>97605899
omg dood its so cute I want one

>>97605788
Rats make awesome pets.

>playing vidya with frens
>hear squeaks over team speak
>”the fuck is that?”
>”don’t worry about it”
>keep hearing it
>”ok seriously what the fuck is that”
>”don’t worry about it”
>keep hearing it

>>97604939
Is it better to invest in level-ups or take scaling abilities with the understanding that leveling up is assumed given the setting?

>>97605969
That’s just me feeding pinkies to my big boi monitor lizard ^-^

>>97605980
Do you want to court death? If yes, start at level 1. If not, start at level 6 and forget about leveling.

>>97605980
The level ups that you buy with points give you free super high stats across the board. You can technically get higher stats by leveling manually but you would need to go into super grind mode to get better than 1000 in everything.

>>97605980
Skills are the highest priority. You want as many development abilities as levels, but it's only worth buying more of the former if it's a super rare ability like mystery.

>>97606038
Nta but now you can break the balance of the setting by having all your development abilities at a higher rank than what they should be. The author said so last thread, that the abilities you buy all start at high rank and keep ranking up instead of having to choose an order for them.

>>97606021
How high exactly is 1000 in every stat, comparatively?

>>97606055
By using the same grading system as skills and stuff it would be S rank in everything. Normal people can only get to 999 in every stat before leveling up, but the player can go over that.

>>97606006
>>97606021
>>97606038
>>97606050
It seems really weird the author incentivizes you to skip what seems to be the entire point, which is leveling through the dungeon. Usually a cyoa would provide a skip at a higher cost, but allow a player to take the long journey for a reward which I personally find more engaging.

>>97605598
How much do you want to bet that he wouldn’t have even updated it had it not been for the rat

>>97606070
You can get some really strong skills, and a fat 1.5x exp multiplier, so you don't actually need to buy levels. The exp multiplier is pretty fucking big on its own, to be honest.

>>97604988
Why wouldn’t you get both

>>97606089
It costs 40 points to get both.

>>97606081
You can actually get something like 1.9 or 2.1 if you get the right Familia bonuses with a custom god, and let's be real, you have no reason to not get a custom god. Even more if you spend like 2 points in recruits or alliances you can get the double learning speed too, which should stack with the stat boosts, so you get a X4.2

Hermes will molest Bell before Hestia gets the chance to lul

>>97606094
Seems worth, desu. I mean, given the setting you’re going to level up anyway. Logically, you’d also be sought after by both gods and companions due to your sheer growth and prowess. So why spend points on things you can naturally gain when you can spend points on innate growth options that can’t be replicated?

>>97606089
See: >>97605344
> As a general note on Glutton, the conversion rate is really bad. It's meant to be the ultimate long-term capstone, and benefits from builds that can pump a lot of time and resources into it without ending up poor and underequipped for the dungeon. Supporters, tamers, businessmen, people with wealthy gods and so on tend to benefit the most, while go-fast skills like realis phrase have horrible synergy.

>>97606070
> Usually a cyoa would provide a skip at a higher cost, but allow a player to take the long journey for a reward which I personally find more engaging.
The reward is not having to spend a bunch of points on levelling.

>>97604939
Is Realis Phrase the win button in this cyoa

>>97606133
Not anymore. Glutton is the new hotness.

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>>97604939
The power system of this world is basically shooting yourself in the head and advancing if you don't die. Utter madness. This world needs a better power system, and I will create it.

This endeavor will need many people to help test out theories, provide data, find materials, etc. The beginning will be difficult, but the potential of a new path, one that isn't suicidal, ought to receive everyone's support. I predict that initial success with be achieved within a century.

I chose alchemy as the main field in which the power system will be based on because:
1. Accessibility: it typically doesn't require gods, spirits, and other conditions that can only be fulfilled by a tiny amount of people.
2. Versatility: practically anything is possible with the right methods and materials.
3. Replicability: anyone can learn alchemy, and materials can be refound or recreated.

The power system will be based on paths, like "Fire Mage", "Dragon Warrior", "Shadow Assassin", and so on. Each will have a gradual progression of gaining synergistic powers and enhancing relevant aspects, but also a set of alchemy recipes, training regimes, and possibly other requirements. Some will be compatible with each other, some won't. All should be compatible with falna because falna is technically just a buff from being connected to a god that can be removed or added at any time to anything. On the topic of falna, to not be dependent on gods is another reason for creating the power system.

As soon as I can, I will spread a number of the first few levels of the easiest and highest compatibility paths for free! Everyone will have the opportunity to embark on the path of power! Those with ambition will come to Orario for greater methods and necessary materials. The overall power of the world will greatly increase, and there will be many more adventurers in the battle against the dungeon.

>Path:
Adventurer

>Race:
Elf

For congenital magic, as opposed to the acquired magic based on falna.

>>97606151
>Scenarios:
Early Start (Max), Multiplayer

There are surely many materials 1000 years ago that can't be found anymore in the present, and the power system must be created as soon as possible.

>Equipment:
Grimoire (Transmute)

>Level:
6

>Development Abilities:
D: Smithing, Mixer, Mage, Luck, Mystery

>Skills:
Nature's Forge, Sixth Sense, Metamagic

>Familia:
Unlocked Falna

Join Zeus.

>>97606112
>>97606119
>>97606133
>>97606143
Glutton is the isekai slow life skill, "While everyone rushes to clear the dungeon I got too OP just by eating and living the good life". Relis Phrase is the speedrunner skill, "I beat the dungeon at level 1 because I wanted to go really fast and now I don't know what to do anymore."

>>97606151
>reinventing LOTM
also wouldn't it make more sense to just be a craftsman God at this point?

>How much do you want to bet that he wouldn’t have even updated it had it not been for the rat
…

>>97606172
>reinventing LOTM
Bruh, I made the build long before the LOTM WIP existed.

>wouldn't it make more sense to just be a craftsman God at this point?
Pretty sure adventurers with crafting abilities surpass crafting gods who sealed their own power. There's that one character with Mystery who made a philosopher's stone at level 4.

>>97606218
Don’t empower him.

>>97606226
>Bruh, I made the build long before the LOTM WIP existed.
is joke
> Pretty sure adventurers with crafting abilities surpass crafting gods who sealed their own power. There's that one character with Mystery who made a philosopher's stone at level 4.
Yeah but if you were a god that stuff would be natural so you could actually spread the knowledge instead of everyone being dependent on you. Also you could get skills like Survival and Scheming at rank 3.

>>97606172
>Not getting your own personal crafting god custom waifu to have both.
Weak and unoptimal.
>>97606226
>long before the LOTM WIP existed.
And LOTM existed since long before tank decided to make a cyoa out of it.
But it seems mostly a joke. If it makes you feel any better your system seems way better than LOTM, at the very least because it doesn't lock multiple people out of pursuing the same path.

>>97606231
But it’s probably true lmao

>>97606119
Oh good we’re doing the thing where the author didn’t bother to put pertinent details in the fucking cyoa

>>97606119
Is that even true? Wouldn’t it be better to get strong fast so you can get deeper into the dungeon to find better shit to consume or make enough income to support consumption? Additionally, it give you the strength to quickly and safely clear floors so you can consume the leftovers. They may not directly synergize, but it seems like a self-sufficient way to support another method of gaining strength.

>>97606246
>is joke
Ah, alright.

>if you were a god that stuff would be natural
Natural doesn't really mean anything for difficulty when comparing to magic when things like this is what craft gods can create:
https://danmachi.fandom.com/wiki/Hephaestus
>Master Smith: As a Goddess of Smithing, Hephaestus is a divine master smith at it. She was able to smith the Hestia Knife, a living weapon with Hestia's falna, even without her arcanum.
No way that's purely natural. There has to be some of her innate craft god power in play.

>everyone being dependent on you
Eh, I will teach people my techniques and derive lesser versions to lower the difficulty.

>>97606361
> No way that's purely natural. There has to be some of her innate craft god power in play.
Arcanum IS the god's power.
> Eh, I will teach people my techniques and derive lesser versions to lower the difficulty.
But surely even those would be dependent on the skills derived from your falna, ala worm tinkers, no?

>>97606361
>No way that's purely natural. There has to be some of her innate craft god power in play.
Nah, its "natural". Its just that skill is a mystical force that lets you do the impossible in japslop and chinkslop settings

Define “natural”

>>97606414
Falna is technically just unlocking potential. Anything you can obtain with falna, you can technically obtain without it. The process will just be much much harder.

>>97606457
huh. very well then.

>>97606457
So what you're saying is that it's entirely possible for falnaless spellcasting to catch up and be as good as falna spellcasting if the mortals just locked the fuck in?

>>97606476
If their talent is good enough. Their talent is not good enough in 99.9...% of cases.

>>97606505
I could do it, trust.

Reminder that greater spirits are basically permanent level 6/8s that can lend themselves to people, even in the form of blood transfusions.

This is why Welf, a level two, can dish out level 6~ levels of magic using his spirit blood.

Falna won’t give you as much of a boost but it DOES have higher potential, as it is essentially focusing on yourself, with the help of the gods, since only the gods can allow such potential to take place. Divine intervention in the form of EXP.

In theory the gods could just level you to level 10 instantly but the implication is that they are following the rules of some esoteric game that they haven’t entirely revealed yet. The Dungeon likely has a divine origin. Perhaps some god has beef with the other gods.

>>97606535
Pretty sure Albert died because his body wasn’t accustomed to a great spirit’s power, so it’s not advised to receive such boosts.

>>97606535
The correct method is to pursue multiple avenues of power. Falna is too good to not be used, but relying entirely on it is a bad idea; you immediately lose all falna dependent abilities, become fish on the chopping block, when your god dies.

>>97606556
So rely on a gay ass spirit instead?

>>97605537
I'll get around to it one day. Probably. Eventually.

>>97606341
It's an option. The big reason it doesn't synergize well is because it means you'll have to levelup first without anything in the way of gear/skills/abilities/trainings/magic, which is suicidally dangerous. Then you'll have to take all the time to find and eat valuable materials anyways. There's way better configurations available imo, including buying some levelups instead of realis phrase.

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>>97604939
Barely know how danmachi works but why not make a harem build
>Path:
God (40) – why not be an immortal hedonistic fuck
>Race:
God

>Scenario:
Early Start 1000 b.c.– first mover advantage
Multiplayer – why not
>Training:
Scheming tier 2 (32) – politics the bread and butter of a god, got to resolve all those harem politics somehow, century old plots are a staple of immortals I need it for the very important plot to fuck the virgin goddesses.

Charm tier 3 (23) – mundane charms to counteract those pesky supernatural charm immunities as you need to fuck them too, having people love you is great, going to have a lots of followers for delegation besides if everyone loves you no one will “kill” you.

Personal Power:
Discerning Eye – reading people is great for charming them plus I need skilled employees got to pilfer them all before the other goods get to them, also for discerning who is good to fuck. (19)

God of Beauty – magical charm, making a god harem is great really you can get them to fill in all the skill niches you lack, delegation and more fucking. (9)

Alliance x7 (2)- if your friends with all the major players your going to be pretty safe
>Familia Members
recruit(free)
recruit x2 (0)

>Familia Home
Assets: 10 (7 allies + 3 recruits)

Location: Entertainment (9)
Hovel(Free)
In-House (8)
yard(7)
guild contacts (6)
Home (5)
Restaurant (4)
Forge (3)
Blacksmith (2)
Study (1)
School (0)

>Quests
5 (1 + 2 * 2(10 assets))
Golden Child- why wouldn’t I want my own chosen one in my pocket, going to be an elf girl for the added lifespan might live over a 1000 years with all the leveling.
Legends(Scheming)- for tier 3 schemes, sounds pretty easy just going to charm the authorities.

Familia Styles:
Exploration Familia Rank 3- going to need all of that high level firepower.

Alliances:
Hestia, Loki, Freya, Hephaestus, Ishtar, Zeus, Hera

Recruits:
Rhea Moss- the general
Devon Baird-the smith
Winnie Cattell-the mage

>>97604939
I feel like I want my base adventurer to be

Glutton (20)
Regeneration (8)
Metamagic (8)
Affinity (2)
Luck (4)
Spell- Raise (2)
1.5x to all Stats (5)

Then I’ll build a custom god for myself. Seems kinda like a slow start but whatever, not like there’s a ton of points to go around vs the sheer amount of options available. I’d love to have the other spells I want, Spellthief, and a level but wcyd

>>97604939
Best time to Early Start for a Glutton? Since it apparently takes a bunch of time to kick off.

>>97606772
1000 years ago

>>97604939
Adventurer
Race:
Human
>Elf is unneeded, as I should already be aging slow enough for it not to matter
Scenario:
Early start
>If I start at 12 and age at 1/2^level, I should have a base lifespan of 60x16= 960 years. If I level up during the first 100 of these, I should still be healthy when the plot starts
Elsewhere
>A place currently ruled by elves
Multiplayer
>Why not

Skills(-19):
Scheming 2 (-8)[+1]
Tactics 2 (-8)
Charm 1 (-3)

Level up x3 (-9)
>The added lifespan is crucial
>I haven't maxxed this because of the luck/centurion combo, but I should get a few levels fairly quickly

Developmental abilities(-8):
Luck (-4)
Mystery (-4)
>With the right tools you can do anything

Skills(-14):
Duelist (-1)
>This + Hidden ace to crush someone every year or so
Centurion(-4)
>If every level requires I risk my life, it sounds really good to have a few spares
>With this and luck I might pass lvl9
Brave (-4)
>The people who choose god of beauty are going to be people I don't want to spend time with
Hidden ace (-5)
>This is extremely broken with mystery. Waiting a year to make a 13x magic item is free

I really don’t understand.

Why bother with a CYOA that has already been solved? You can beat literally anybody by taking Metamagic + Spirit Fire + Raise to become, more or less, a Haruhime + Ais + Riveria hybrid who can do more damage than anyone else in the setting.

So what’s the point? Are you making builds just for fun or something? Why?

>>97606780
Custom god:
Something refined
Princess-ish

Skills(-13):
Merchantry 3 (-9)
>She knows her gold
Schemeing 1 (-4)
>And how to use it subtly

God skills(-12):
Teaching (-1)
Fertility god (-1)
>Setting me up
Afterlife (-2)
Craftsman {Poetry}(-8)

People:
Child x5 (-5)
>An assortment of Girls with skills that help industry, like metamagic and mystery. And monster creation
>Pseudo harem, mostly elves
Child (Free)
>Me

Location:
Remote
Assets(6):
Money x3
House
Study
Lab

Quests:
Legend scheming
Academic family
>Understand magic
Lifestyle family
>It's a cult/Harem

Given that leveling requires danger, a groups size is a core part of its power
Given that the afterlife definitely exists, there is no particular moral difficulty in sending people to die fighting
I am going to be setting up a mystery cult deep underground, with magical technology, and training as many adventurers as possible
Then, when the time is right, we will try to tame the dungeon. Leaving trail signs to indicate dangers, Hiding supply caches to help failed ventures, etc etc
I should be able to grow to a high level and make some obscene magic artifacts that make this plausible

Although given that this is a game, my real goal should be to ascend to divinity, An I will need to do research into spirits to achieve this. Plausible stretch goal

>>97604939
Thoughts about the cyoa:
It's alright
The actual cyoa is fairly well made, like 7.3 out of 10, but the setting is very strange for a cyoa to work in because of the afterlife
As a general game design goal the optimal path should be fun to go down. Here the optimal path isn't to enter the dungeon. The cyoa subverts itself

Leveling up is a strange thing to have behind a point score given that it requires risking your life
You effectively start with -0.4 lives per level you don't take
(And you are burning youth by letting yourself age without the levels protection)

>>97606785
Actually the update unsolved it
There are now better offensive options and ways to block that

>>97606785
>Are you making builds just for fun or something
Yes anon. That is what we do here. Fun.

>>97606795
>There are now better offensive options and ways to block that
Nope. The cyoa still calls it the most destructive spell known. That puts it above literally anything in canon. Author said he made Raise (a tier 1 spell) with Ais’ Aria in mind, meaning a tier 3 Raise should be like Haruhime’s or Hedin’s spell. With Metamagic I can combine it with Spirit Fire to produce a not!Aria aura that constantly sends out flames that are impossible to resist and eats at all other elements. It would be a harder counter to Ais, for instance.

Author really should have worded Metamagic a lot better.

>>97606813
No~
I block

>>97606813
No. That’s just bullshit. You’re over doing it.

>>97606813
>Spellthief

>>97606818
Explicitly says it ignores elemental resistances. Going by basic logic this would include literally anything in the world. Including your muscles.
>>97606827
Nope. Not bullshit. Metamagic outright says I can combine spell effects. That’s just the way it is. Author is retarded.

>>97606836
No <3
My immunity ignores immunity resistance

>>97606835
Nope. Not an elf. Lefiya doesn’t get it. It’s not hers to steal. She can get fucked. I’m even of a mind to murder her upon entry, just to keep other mages safe. Spells are to remain unique. She is a monster to be taken out.

>>97606849
aww he didn't even read the update

>>97606849
>murder an innocent girl because there's the smallest chance that she may make you the slightest bit less special

>>97606855
>magic
>not an element
I guarantee you a magic missile can be deconstructed using the modern day table of the elements

>>97606877
what the fuck are you responding to?

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>>97606151
I will act as your hired muscle and bodyguard. All you have to do is let me fuck you.

Deal?

God, don't even start this shit again. He's retarded, we all know he's retarded, let's move on.

>>97606887
He’s implying that any hypothetical leech is still subject to chemistry and thus is at a loss against “this spell is not reduced by elemental resistances”, which can be translated into literally anything at all, if you’re an insufferable realist.

>>97606835
How would that even work against something casual like Aria that’s basically an extension of one’s muscles? You’re flicking her wind back at her, one time, while she can flick her wind a bazillion times. What a waste of a 30 minute cooldown, guy. Laughs.jpg

Whenever you walk outside you are resisting the elements. Did you know?

Why call it ‘Spellthief’ when it’s more like spell rape? You aren’t pocketing it or anything you’re just molesting someone else’s magic.

>>97606895
Nta but that's a guy,

God I hate Lefiya so much.

Do not pick elf as a race. Don’t do it. She will take your shit. She only needs to see it once.

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>>97606855
The cyoa spellthief and the canon spellthief work differently. What he's implying is that unless he picks multiplayer the only person with that skill has a worse version that only works on elves.

>>97606967
>The cyoa spellthief and the canon spellthief work differently
Wtf author

>>97606967
Lefiya's thing is a different skill entirely.

>>97606779
Is canon really that dangerous?

>>97606967
>worse version
She gets access to it FOR LIFE. The spellthief thing is just some gimmick skill the author of the cyoa threw in, clearly. It isn’t actually stealing a spell more than redirecting it, briefly, with a thirty minute cooldown. In theory Lefiya would only need to watch a group of ten elves to cast ten new spells. She can also HANG them on her hand, to cast them INSTANTLY, pre-cast. Hang spell bitch.

>>97606972
Many things in the cyoa have the same name as canon but not the same effects. Also it's funny to see that Nature's Forge is there, cheaper than Crozzo Blood, and still better than it.

Spirit fire + raise + swarm = firebugstorm

>>97606996
It doesn't even have the same name anon is just retarded

>>97606991
It's still countered by not being an elf.

The author (the actual author) of Danmachi said he doesn’t want the story taking longer than a year, within the timeline, so you’re kind of stupid for not taking max level at the very start.

I’m not joking. I find Lefiya repulsive. She needs to die. Mages aren’t safe around her. She’ll violate them. Their poor magic.

>>97606990
Yes. The sooner you enter, the more time you have to strengthen yourself and the world before the Promised Time, aka the apocalypse. Entering in canon time is basically suicide.

How much would the story change if my fat isekai’d ass landed on Bell and broke his neck before I even touched the ground?

>>97607018
>so you’re kind of stupid for not taking max level at the very start.
Or you just spawn 1000 years early. By canon time, with all the powers the build gives you, you should be at least level 10.
>>97607025
This is also fixed by starting early. Just spawn kill her, she doesn't have that skill before being even born now does she?

I am okay having the Loki family hunt me down for murdering worst girl too; worth it

>>97607046
Unless you have Realis Phrase the world is now fucked, congratulations.

>>97606990
The danmachi timeline is all fucked up. Everything relevant happened either 1,000 years ago or in the last 15 years and canon is ~1 year away from an apocalypse. Start whenever you want if you're doing multiplayer though.

>>97607060
>By canon time, with all the powers the build gives you, you should be at least level 10.
That is if you haven't cleared the dungeon already.

>>97607068
>Everything relevant happened either 1,000 years ago or in the last 15 years and canon is ~1 year away from an apocalypse.
Sometimes I forget that this is a children’s show and only now after a thousand years do the (teenaged) heroes matter…

>>97604939
Being a crafter is now more viable than ever.

I like Ganesha :)

>>97604956
>using same pool of point for perks, items, and followers
cringe

>>97606990
It's actually fine in multiplayer because builds that entered before you will carry. You won't be relevant, but hey, that's the price of not contributing.

>>97607018
What do you mean? I haven’t watched all of it, only the first bit. Is there some problem with existing at the same time as the plot?

>>97607116
The story takes place over the course of a single year, is the point. A very fucking wild year. It’s six months in so far. As another anon said, it’s very close to end times.

Watch the big bad apocalyptic dragon not be the real final boss. It’s some even more evil monster deeper in the dungeon. Echidna or something. Mother of monsters.

>>97607189
Echidna or Tiamat aren't bad ideas for custom gods desu. I was thinking about going Coyote or Baron Samedi personally

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>>97605584
>>97605950
Cringe
>>97605982
Based

>>97607549
Loki hadn't descended 1000 years ago. You can't pick her.

>>97607563
feck.

>>97604946
updated >>97601257
> Path
Adventurer
> Race
Elf
> Scenario
Early Start (1000 years ago)
Multiplayer
> Training
Survival 1
> Stat Boost
Magic
> Levels
Level Up 1
> Developmental Abilities
Tamer H
Luck (Future)
> Skills
Voice
Metamagic
Monster Maker
Glutton
> Magic
Monster
> Familia
Canon God (Ganesha)

Om nom nom. I have a bunch of monster related abilites: I can craft or modify custom monsters with tailor made abilites, tame them to sell or use as personal servants, turn into them with my spell for combat and utility (as well as other monsters I know of thanks to Survival 1) and even have the option to eat them for permanent boosts (which is especially nice since I can customise their abilities). On top of that, Metamagic opens up a bunch of possibilities for how to use my awesome spell (Hybrid monsters, partial transformations, combos with other spells I eventually learn etc), Voice allows me to command my beasts in the din of combat, Luck protects me and helps me gain the resources I need to fuel my ascent, and finally there are a few magic boosts as the cherry on the cake.

Starting 1000 years before canon because I really need the time to ramp up. My abilities should make me incredibly valuable to Ganesha so I hopefully shouldn't be put in too much danger.

>>97607095
I like him too now I guess.

>>97606780
Based fellow Human chad.

>>97605980
I invested in lvlups and didn't take development abilities that surpassed my lvl because I'm not actually sure how easy/hard it is to gain levels.

>>97606070
>>97606131
The cyoa also implies that there are some downsides to being too high a level. Coercion/strongarming by guilds/gods or some kind of high tax penalty.

Don't really know anything about the franchise so I can't really say how common or severe it is.

>>97606785
>So what’s the point? Are you making builds just for fun or something?
Aren't you?

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When are we getting more gems like this?

What authors, would you say, are especially good at balance?
We often single out authors for being bad at balance, but not the other way round.

>>97607943
>We often single out authors for being bad at balance
What? Bad balance is basically the default, so how can anyone be singled out?

>>97607941
>gems

>>97607943
nxtub

>>97607943
ScottishAnon, ChariotAnon, Highlander, LoneObserver, LordThistlewhait and as, >>97607983 said, Nxtub all come to mind.

The reason tho is that for these authors tone and themes were more important that stats so 'balance' isn't so much of a concern.

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>>97608048
>LoneObserver, LordThistlewhait

>>97608048
>tone and themes were more important that stats so 'balance' isn't so much of a concern.
Shit take and I'm glad they're gone. That's why metafags exist.

>>97607978
Xartok...

>>97608048
>Lone Observer
No, LO is one of my top authors, but balance was definitely not one of his virtues. PPPP is an obvious example, but also for example the magical girl cyoa's stats.

>The reason tho is that for these authors tone and themes were more important that stats so 'balance' isn't so much of a concern.
I get what you're trying to say but that goes for authors who don't create situations where you'd start thinking in an optimizing mode. Personally I find, whether any sort of points are involved makes a big difference for me. If it's "Pick 2 options out of 6", then I can be forgiving of making some options clearly better or worse. But if there's a point system of any sort, like in the above examples (PPPP, magical girl cyoa stats) then my mind immediately turns to optimizing mode and lack of balance will be a big problem.

>>97607943
Balance is unnecessary in the face of fun so I don't care about it. If I can have fun with a cyoa it's good, if I can't it's bad, simple as.

I want to neuter Bete

I want to neuter Bell

I want to neuter Gil

There will be no dingaling snipping!

>>97604960
Thought about my Strength Past Wheel of Fortune strategy more. One should take Door instead. It has divination and anti-divination as well, and its door opening and tricks are perfect for obtaining things and traveling without being noticed, or at least without being identified. Luck is just icing on the cake toward matters that are already fated; Door is more useful.

>>97604960
If there are fundamental laws of reality that force a limit on the number of t0's, do they not also mandate a minimum?
Does that not mean atleast one person is guaranteed to become the wheel of fortune t0?

Cyoas with this vibe?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU&pp=ygUdbWF4IGhlYWRyb29tIHRoZSBhcnQgb2Ygbm9pc2U%3D

>>97608690
No, the Law of Beyonder Characteristics Conservation is about Beyonder Characteristics, not gods or whatever else.

>>97608126
>one of my top authors
Same
>PPPP, magical girl
Huh, I never played either of these. The premise just didn't appeal so I never engaged.

>>97608136
Based and same
>>97608071
Cringe and different

>>97606813
My Grimoire magic is superior because exceeding known limits fits me perfectly. It also negates any attempts to stop, diminish, bypass, and copy it. Because I will it so. Der wille zur macht and all that.

>>97608742
Nope you lose

With metamagic, aegis and spirit fire you can make invincible flames =\

>>97608793
Stop being a power gaming asshole.

>>97608807
Why? To get curbstomped and raped by someone else?

>>97608807
>abloobloobloo

Spellthief is total bullshit wtf the author should bash his head on a brick wall covered in rusty nails and then get resurrected by a perverted necromancer and violently fingered by naked witches

>>97608839
>get resurrected by a perverted necromancer and violently fingered by naked witches
Why are you rewarding them?

>>97608810
Actually being strong gives you a higher chance of being raped by some degenerate love goddess.

>>97608807
Now now, the powergaming bit isn't too bad, it's being annoying about it that's the problem

>>97608884
based if true

>>97604960
I'm very disappointed that Justiciar only gets physical law manipulation at s1. All its previous sequences are almost only about cockblocking. Lame.

>>97608965
>paragons outdo them in physical law manipulation for at least one sequence
lmao

>>97608965
Charisma, self-buffs, one of the best attacks before demigodhood, good cockblocking is actually valuable, edicts/imperatives can buff, not just cockblock, Balancers can sense even Servants of Concealment, and short time of 50-50 even against True Gods is fucking massive.
Among those pathways that don't give you some sort of access to powers of others, Justiciar seems to be the strongest

>>97604960
So what's this setting about? What's the franchise like?

Who was the lord and what was the mysteries?

https://rentry.org/CYOAG_multiverse
This is not finished and Should Not be finished, yet I'm letting /cyoag/ read it.

>>97609183
I bigly dislike crossovers between settings (doesn't matter if it's a multiverse setting. A planetary setting with multiple continents ~ a universe setting with multiple stellar systems ~ a multiverse setting with multiple verses) but this was quite fun to read.

>>97609183
Each day we draw closer to the Final CYOA...

>>97609183
While I highly dislike crossover slop, I find the concepts of the sons getting fucked over by mage bureaucrats funny.

>>97609216
>Witch Awakening
They're relatively easy to some of their disciplines (Ministration, Blood/Sanguine Magic being in half of the CYOA, Hespatian all about sacrifice ala Chain of Sins, "Gods" being effectively high-ranked practionners, outsiders are eldritch horrors from beyond the Void) etc.
Bonus: The Abyssal Maw described in 'Prison of Mind' is an equivalent to the Anglerfish.
>SMG
Same as above with the Allmillor (Eldritch Horrors are invading), the various afterlives choices (Data Crypts from WA), the Closed Circuits Blessing (Perception Branch from Blood Magic), etc etc.
Now that I think about it, both the Convention and Witches think a masquarade is necessary else the barrier between reality and fiction wanes and the plane dies. It's pretty much what's happening in SMG, with Earth being all magical AND currently breaking down.

I think Pantheon of Pleasure, JRPG Traitor and Harahel can also be linked to this grand multiverse, but it might requires autism to write it out.
This is a fun way to pass time though. I see why you wrote it.

>>97609183
Interesting.

>>97609183
Good work. Very thought-provoking, and a lot of it lines up with some of my own thinking over the years.

>>97607943
PCA gets it for the most part.

>>97607943
the mythic lands mushoku tensei danmachi guy

he may be god awful at naming things and has a sometimes less than minimal grasp of the franchises he ports into cyoa form, but he actually does make sure your points are about as good no matter where you put them

>>97609623
lol, lmao

>>97609697
are you the idiot who thinks it'd only be balanced if magic did everything best, and putting points into anything else would be a waste? because that's not balance, anon

>>97609165
It's just steampunk chinkslop

>>97609165
The real Lord Of The Mysteries was the friends we made along the way.

>>97608690
Nothing in the setting mandates a minimum amount of Gods existing. Just a maximum amount since there's a limited amount of Pathways and Beyonder characteristics

>>97604960
>>97608977
Even at S0 Justiciar ties with Paragon when it comes to changing the laws of reality. Paragons just gain the power to do it a sequence earlier.

Aromage is literally built for BIG BEAUTIFUL CYOA making.

>>97610108
Not they don't. Justiciar can literally add and remove laws. Paragon just controls them for a while.

https://danmachi.fandom.com/wiki/Skills
Reminder that Realis Phrase is actually fucking useless for powerfagging anons because they are a loveless lot.

>>97610265
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J6Tu8slDhwY2j3BO5rEbWM3CSA32DbhwkFQ429gCavY
>Q: God of Steam’s ability to change Laws of Physics versus the Justiciar's ability to change underlying rules, whose is stronger?
>A: Justiciar.
>A: After all, it also affects mystical rules.
>(TL/N: Seems to imply that it’s approximately equal if it’s purely laws of physics)
Isreal. Any new laws a Justiciar makes are functionally mystical laws, not the underlying laws of reality. And ability to change the laws of reality is functionally the ability to remove them, even if temporary. Changing the first law of motion so nothing remains at rest is the same as removing what was the first law of motion.

In this field, they're neck-and-neck.

>>97610342
I love myself and I love power

>>97610372
Paragonbros this is not a good look

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>>97604956
>Background
Exile
>Personal Perks
Grey Eminence, Brilliant Strategist, Industrialist
>Items
Stock of Food and Water x10, Eden Pack, Stock of Weapons and Ammunition x5, Stock of Oxygen, Sets of Power Armor x4, Colony Starter Pack, Heavy Mining Equipment, Asteroid Mining Equipment
>Artifacts
Fusion Core
>Spaceships
Ox
Mule
Chariot x4
Vulture x2
Wolf x2
Falcon
Prometheus (Scarp and use for parts and materials)
>Followers 20,160
Miners x150 (3,000)
Farmers x600 (12,000)
Hunters x5 (100)
Metallurgists x30 (600)
Builders x25 (500)
Technicians x25 (500)
Crewmen x25 (500)
Artisans x5 (100)
Bureaucrats x5 (100)
Enforcers x5 (100)
Merchants (20)
Soldiers x30 (600)
Artists (20)
Chemists x5 (100)
Engineers x25 (500)
Medics x5 (100)
Researchers x10 (200)
Architects (20)
Roboticists (20)
Void Pilots x2 (40)
Assault Marines x2 (40)
>Star System
Star: Type K
Planet Type: Savanah World
Planet Size: Medium Planet
Resource Stats: CM - 4, RM - 3, FF - 2, VL - 2
Planetary Hazards: Dangerous Wildlife
Planetary Perks: Mild Climate, Good Soil
>Drawbacks
Competitors (12 Rival Colonies), Techno Barbarians, The Facility

>>97610385
Just another QnA upscale for the STRONGEST pathway. At least Justiciars still dominate in mystical law.

>techjeets are at it again
god please nuke india already

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Is there a list of all the interactive CYOAs that have web pages what let you save and export and all that? I checked the links and can't find it if it's there.

>>97610417
we dont interact with interactive slop
heh

>>97610417
Ask the question on Reddit, and I say it with the best intentions. Neither this thread nor /mcyoag/ or /cyoar/ is fond of them, so you're unlikely to find an answer here.

>>97610372
I mean it was obvious, its just paragonfags being intentionally retarded. Techjeets are NOT winning a law-off battle against THE lawmaker pathway.

>>97609502
>PCA
Are you kidding? Spirit Conscript was badly balanced. So is Power Creator.

Paragonfags are going to be the fordfags of LoTM cyoa, I can feel it

>>97610538
That's FordGODS to you

>>97610538
That's RoselleGODS to you

>>97610538
Why are techjeets consistently the most obnoxious faggots in every cyoa? Its a stereotype at this point.

>>97610545
>RoselleGODS
He's not talking about Black Emperor thougheverbeit

>>97610549
They are matterjeeta disciples. They inherited her annoying bad faith argument ways.

>>97610545
>Roselle
>God
He tried, but failed spectacularly.

>>97604939
Is it even worth it to get tier 3 spells if you have Metamagic?

>>97610579
>switches from Paragon
>immediately jobs at everything
Hmmm

>>97610545
>RoselleGODS
Hilarious.

>>97610602
More like
>Choose the Parajobber pathway
>His fate as a jobber is sealed forever

>>97610634
He was winning when he was a Paragon, he only started jobbing once he switched to hermit
Can we even call losing against MGOD jobbing? She's the strongest GOO even while missing half her Sefirot and uniquenesses and even CW himself got played by her

>>97604946
>Adventurer
>Race
Elf
>Scenario
Early Start - 1000 years ago
Multiplayer
>Training
Combat II->III 42p
>Stats
All boost 37p
>Level 1
>Development Ability
Mystery 33p
>Skills
Gluttony 13p
Hidden Ace 8p
Metamagic 0p
>Magic
No Spells
>Familia
Canon God - Demeter
Combat Rank 3

My slow life living where I amass a collection of many and random skills that are then buffed by Hidden Ace into being obnoxiously powerful. Picked Demeter because she is apparently the best cook among the gods and the familia can help support my gluttony while I offer a strong protective hand. Mystery and Metamagic are to help shape my level progression into a magic oriented build with Mystery creations hopefully being more potent than the raw materials.

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>>97610714
Forgot my build image.

>>97610714
> Elf
> Metamagic
> No Spells
???

>>97610782
Fat Elfis is not that smart yet, gotta level up a few times first.

>>97610787
Getting spells naturally is hard and they aren't even guarenteed to be that good, if you're serious about magic you definetly want at least one.

>>97610787
Also the earlier you get spells the earlier you can work on getting magic related skills and developmental abilities.

>>97610800
>>97610807
Having Mystery can guarantee my first Development Ability is magic related and can give me a solid foundation to work towards a Mage or Spirit DA for the 3rd level.

Metamagic gives me the breathing room to not be completely reliant on getting a good base spell as I can stretch and alter it to fit my needs. With my kit even if I end up with 1 or two mediocre spells, I can hold out for a grimoire for the last spell.

What the fuck is the actual fucking difference between Nature’s Forge and Crozzo Blood?

>>97610832
One is a blessing from a spirit, the other is the bloodline of a spirit.

>>97610828
Only elves get access to spirit crap if I recall correctly. Or they’re the ones who typically get it. Cherry picking from the cyoa is a lot more beneficial than you realize. You wouldn’t be offered most of it otherwise.

>>97610837
??!!?!!??!?????!!??!??!?????!?!!?!!!??!?

>>97610856
>t. average ratmachi fan's reading comprehension

>>97610828
> Metamagic gives me the breathing room to not be completely reliant on getting a good base spell as I can stretch and alter it to fit my needs.
Why not just get a good spell and then also be able to alter it to make it even better?
> With my kit even if I end up with 1 or two mediocre spells, I can hold out for a grimoire for the last spell.
There's a person who read dozens of grimoires and still couldn't fill her last slot.

>>97610842
While tempting, Giving up 50% gains in 4 stats for Spirit Fire or a Grimoire is just a bit too much given the random nature of skills Gluttony grants, having a good base to abuse all my potential skills is more important. At worst I can just learn normal elf magic to metamagic up if I gacha out truly awful spells. Elves are one of the few races that have that option I believe.

>>97610832
Crozzo Blood is only for swords, Nature's Forge is for everything. Crozzo Blood is probably more powerful but less versatile, while Nature's forge is the opposite.

>>97610892
>headcanon
Fuck off.

>>97610904
Excuse me? What are you talking about?

>>97610882
>There's a person who read dozens of grimoires and still couldn't fill her last slot.
That’s because magic is tied to experience. Some magic is literally based on past traumas. Or it’s personal to the mage’s own character traits. This is probably why Riveria’s spells each come in three different verses. She’s a chanter or speaker at heart. This is why Hedin’s extremely powerful enchant magic can’t be used on himself and puts him out of commission. He’s a prideful fucker. This is why Bete’s spell is so painful and long to use. He has to confront his losses.

>>97610837
Shouldn’t the direct blessing of a spirit be more beneficial? Or is the assumption that having spirit blood is more potent? This is an odd assumption since spirits are shown to be able to lend themselves in literally whatever shape or form they wish.

>>97610952
I'd expect granted power by a spirit wouldn't be as good as literally being part spirit yourself.

uruk necromancer bodies your build

>>97610963
Spirits can take on any form they wish, though? It’s like saying Crozzo is more powerful than the spirit that gave him its blood. It took the form of his ancestors blood. Spirits can take the form of abstract shields, horses, swords, etc.

Bell reminds me of Gil. Both are innocent kiddos who will roll away at the sight of a naked lady.

>>97611051
lies, gil is a coomer for brown women

>>97610928
So all anon's spells are going to be weak as shit?

>>97611051
>innocent

>>97611063
Yeah it will be a lame ass white glob spell that plops depressingly out of the caster’s hands after a sad little fart noise.

Reminder that it’s canon that the gods are so casual about sex they will literally have sex with anybody even their own familia members and it’s considered polite to give your god a good grope

>>97610428
>>97610510
Why's that?

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>unprompted danmarat lore drops.

>>97611116
lotmfag btw not sure if it matters

>>97611082
So if I decided to give Hermes a random handjob…….