first for we got cinematic emperor before gta6

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Shoot them till they're dead

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Let Chaos idols take this thread!

I like orks :D
>>98142029
yay, my TQ got in :D
(/mydudes/ like fighting them)

I’ve been away from 40k for a long time. Heard editions haven’t been well received. Anons what are your thoughts on this new edition? Will it make for fun gameplay? Give me your bad and give me your good feedback.

>>98142063
Warhammer fans are vocal about the new edition and they are not happy. They’re discontented with the way every faction got rebooted like AoS and the whole rules bloat. I guess they were holding out hope for a good design direction. There’s even a petition that’s garnered thousands of signatures to have the edition changed. Obviously that won’t happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

>>98142063
10e is a perfectly fine game to play about once a month without getting boring or stale and not a single game more frequently than that

>>98142088
chatGPT please go

>>98142063
i haven't been able to play with the leaked rules yet, but 11th is at least looking like it'll have a bit more flavour when it comes to list building, the shooting changes with the hidden effect and the adjustments to the assault phases seems like it'll give weaker melee armies a good boost.
I'll always go into a new edition with caution, but all the changes i've seen definitely feel like an improvement to 10th.

>>98142096
newfag please go

>>98142063
11e is 10.5e.
>"No, I don't care that you brought Yarrick back, I will continue to play 5e."

>>98142099
projection once again
stop using AI to write your shitposts if you don't want to be called out for it!

>>98142088
kek I've always been fond of this pasta

>>98142104
Unironically kill yourself

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>>98142029
>TQ

We have a good scrap, take any good rides they got.

Anyways, new progress shot for the warkopta. I think I should be able to get the build wrapped before Armageddon lands. What is everyone else working on?

>>98142102
A lot of oldfags will carry on about 4th being the peak edition but I started with 5th. Is there a significant difference between these two editions?

>>98142107
Uh oh aijeet melty

>>98142063
10th was a lot better than the clusterfuck that 9th left us with (and frankly, 10th is the best game that 40k has been in a long time) and 11th looks like a step up in several ways that, while not fundamentally changing how the game is played, are addressing some of the problematic things that are commonly present. Nothing sticks out as a bad change.

I would rather hear that line-of-site is changing to base-to-base rather than "true" because it's inherently flawed, but you have to try really hard to find someone who actually gives a shit about that and doesn't just measure to base for the sake of running the game smoothly. Good players understand each others intentions rather than looking out for any little gotcha they can grab to eek out a lead.

That is my take as someone who plays at least a couple of times a month and goes to tournaments about 5 times a year because more warhammer is more gaming, simple as.

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>retarded rightoids on xitter unironically claiming that the Emperor if a christ figure

As bad as it gets in these generals at times it will never get to the level of ass backwards tourism that 40k discussion is on fucking twitter.

>>98142102
>11e is 10.5e.
An edition doesn't have to go back to indexes for it to be a new edition

>>98142133
>xitter
go back, faggot

>>98142122
5th is skubtastic. For example, 4e Necrons are silent murderbots and 5e Necrons are Tomb Kings.

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>>98142133

>>98142128
9th was way better than 10th. Much more interesting army variety and construction.

>>98142157
larper

>>98142155
Based

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Am I blind or is healing nowhere in the core rules?

>>98142157
Arguably yes, but I don't see a world in which I miss playing 7th/8th/9th, especially with having gotten to grips with 10th.

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Is this really what current 40k is like? Lmaoing at the state of your fucking "game."

>>98142157
Honestly same, 9th like pretty much every other edition had it's problem, but it still had flavour and every game had enjoyable moments, 10th just feels very clinically and actual fun moments were few and far between,
Also the pigeon holing army building was lame in 10th and i'm glad that that's been address in 11th.

>>98142177
40k has basically been a card game for the last 2 editions.

>>98142177
>make up bullshit
>get mad at it
>post about how mad you are
one hobby is as good as another I guess

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>How do I get a body like this?

>>98142177
I just assume anyone that posts this is a groomer.

>>98142182
It had massive power creep problems but I doubt armies like Drukhari will ever see a codex as interesting again. If any of this era of 40k survives like oldhammer/midhammer I think it will be 9e-based.

>>98142188
a thousand mg of psyker a day

>>98142188
Be a woman with an eating disorder

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Im very excited for darkmech

>>98142214
>Be a woman
I will never.

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What would the Tau have to do to establish themselves as a serious threat? Conquer Ultramar?

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>ebay are removing le preorders!
What is this then?

>>98142194
>It had massive power creep problems
I'm gonna be honest i can't remember an edition that hasn't ended with some sort of power creep, past editions I'd occasionally see bad match up of armies in my local meta that showed that off but people generally were able to play around it, 10th has actually been the edition where i've seen the most "bad" match ups where one player just couldn't play the game against their match up.

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>>98142197
Its not natty? I guess I gotta get psykerpilled to get gains

>>98142229
Give Farsight a Titan-sized battle suit that has its own stealth field with a giant sword that cuts the air, superheating it and causing massive explosions.

>>98142188
chemo and 1k souls a day

>>98142243
yes, but you can't spec into biomancy

>>98142229
They need to let me skullfuck their women's face slit

>>98142177
This is tabletop simulator or an AI image.

>>98142239
you're very desperate for attention after you got none for this post last thread
have a free pity (you) on me

>>98142251
tts

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Are there any characters you hope get models/rules?

For me it’s nuadu fireheart

>>98142229
They would need to expand and grow enough that their numbers are more than a fraction of a fraction of everyone else's. But that's the hard part, and the moment they start moving in that direction they become more of a priority to fight against. They would need something like a straight-up alliance with the Eldar and/or Votaan.

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Models!
Post em!

>>98142133
but the emperor IS a christ figure
?

suffering for the salvation of mankind is pretty on the nose

>>98142266
go back to sucking your gf's dick bohemond

>>98142266
Lol, lmao even. Emperor is suffering for his own sins and crimes. He brought his fate to himself and it is karmic justice that he has to writhe in torment so the carcass of the empire he built can persist.

>>98142266
>suffering for the salvation of mankind
But he's mankind's damnation

>>98142266
I would argue that it's the other way around, the entire Imperium was meant to be the christ that would ascend the Emperor through it's sacrificial suffering. Conquering the galaxy was only ever a step, that's the scale that he thinks at.

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>>98142255
touche.
For that, here is my tyranid prime with lashwhip.

>>98142266
Emperor is the Father
Sanguinius is the Son
Sanguinor is the Spirit

>>98142277
Who?

Impossible to take the Emperor seriously after he was written as the authors' collective daddy issues in the BLslop HH novels.

He's genuinely best forgotten at this point along with all the other foundational 40k stuff that used to be a core part of the setting but which GW has made incompatible with e.g. the Imperium dying, Space Marines not being good guys, the Imperium not understanding its technology, etc etc

>>98142063
I’m liking everything I’m seeing so far, especially the way primary scoring is going to work with detachment dispositions matching up on a matrix. The game seems to have asymmetry built into it.

>>98142266
The Emperor is in a hell of his own creation

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>>98142264

bawk bawk I'm a flyrant

>>98142295
KEK GW should hire this man.

>>98142311
go back to 4e oldman

>>98142311
Horus Heresy in general was a tremendous fucking mistake and has stained 40k with it's cancerous influence.

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>>98142326
You mean the best edition?

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>>98142264
here’s all of them.

i think big E is closer to a chaos god than any christ/yahve-like figure. he is a human fueled entity with no good intentions or salvation promises.

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>>98142264

>>98142280
>>98142285
he's the antichrist as well, sure, but he's the christ stand-in too, he is suffering to keep demons at bay out of the allegedly good will towards mankind. the imperial faith is basically reskinned christianity with a similar cult of martyrdom and a holy figure nailed onto something.

I don't get why this would be controversial or political, considering anon's circlejerk reaction to it.

>>98142332
I have to agree, that shit couldnt even contain the Primarch disease there.

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>>98142336
nice foot and bed you fuggin ork

Got any Trukks?

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>>98142336
>celtic feet

>>98142347
imagine what would happen irl when you do this anon lol, a sex dungeon may be more acceptable.

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>>98142263
That makes sense. Eldar, Votann, and Tau are all the 'tiny' factions that don't really matter to the Imperium. An alliance of all three though...

>>98142352
Eldar and Votann are both much, much bigger than Tau.

>>98142358
Are they? We don't really have numbers on that, all we know is all three factions are described as small.

>>98142358
>>98142363
I am, of course, not counting the Drukari as being a part of the Eldar for this.

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sex
Sex
SEX

>>98142363
Yes. Tau are the smallest 'main' faction of 40k.

>>98142373
Do we know that? I would assume the eldar are smaller at least, considering even the most populated craftworlds seem to be maybe a billion people at most.

>>98142261
ASDRUBAEL VECT ON THE DAIS OF DESTRUCTION

>>98142376
eldar are more numerable than dark eldar who number in the low trillions, tau have a tiny slice of a slice of systems next to ultramar and that's it

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>>98142349
I’m 100% white but have Egyptian feet, what gives?

>>98142383
She divorced her husband and is trans now btw

>>98142384
>eldar are more numerable than dark eldar
lmao no

>>98142344
>>98142316
>>98142295
>>98142287
>>98142285
>>98142280
>>98142266
>>98142133

The Emperor is Cain
He builds cities, empires & nations only to always see them fall to ruin
He spurns God yet subconsciously copies him
Must sustain himself on the sacrifice of others
Has a strange weakness to the blade used in the first murder
Horus was felled by the Tenfold Curse

>>98142390
>She divorced her husband and is trans now btw
I do not believe you

>>98142384
>dark eldar who number in the low trillions
....seriously?

Even so, there are trillions of Tau on a single planet so that would still put the Tau ahead.

>>98142388
This is the beginning of your initiation into the Yakubian Mysteries.

>>98142395
If that’s true it would be so gay and lame, Cain and Abel is a parable about agrarian civilization killing nomadic pastoralism.

>>98142376
Maybe as a species the Aeldari are more populous than the tau, but as for CWE many of the craftworlds are practically ghost ships and there's less than a thousand craftworlds in the galaxy

>>98142390
>eldar are more numerable than dark eldar
yes actually, as per the 8e rulebook
>The most numerous are those who live on craftworlds

>>98142342
Thousand Sons/Lizardmen/Tomb Kings Anon?

>>98142404
The census counted soul stones.

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>>98142404
Dang, the Eldar really are dying off

>>98142403
shut the FUCK UP BECKETT

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>>98142347
sadly not, I plan on painting mine soon, but I’m really hung up on what color I want to paint it
>>98142349
WRONG

>>98142368
she's got some heavies for a Chogorian

>>98142097
>the shooting changes with the hidden effect and the adjustments to the assault phases seems like it'll give weaker melee armies a good boost.
Hidden is a pretty big nothingburger due to small map constraints, GW terrain not being complete walls that block LoS all around the footprint, and all a tank has to do to see through the terrain is toe the footprint. With FLY also being massively buffed and 8" deepstrike, shooting is going to dominate again.

>>98142261
the mandrake named character

>>98142338
The Emperor is the last Man of Gold & a powerful psyker that can somehow eat other psykers, he devoured the Sigilittes & gained even more power. The shaman gestalt is a half truth of this.

>>98142367
M8, according to GW, the Craftworlders outnumber the Dark Eldar.

>>98142432
>The Emperor is the last Man of Gold
No, he’s something else.

>>98142097
[CLEAVE] is what's going to finally make melee not be a (tar)pitfall, that and Overrun.

>>98142433
Well the Drukhari only number in the low trillions which is the population of a single planet so that's not super impressive.

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>>98142395
I'm ok with that.

>>98142399
>>98142390
>>98142412
It shows up in several of the Craftworld Eldar codexes. Craft worlds are the most numerous Eldar in the 41st Millennium and always have been.
Commorragh is by far the most densely populated single city or planet or anything of the species left, but it's no more than the 10 most populous craftworlds combined.

>>98142388
Egyptians were pretty much greek

>>98142433
M8, the craftworlders are literally the space amish. Dark eldar are city folk.

>>98142395
Don’t insult Cain with that failure

>>98142443
>but it's no more than the 10 most populous craftworlds combined.
Okay then the Eldar would definitely be the least populous race then, cause they'd have a population of, what, maybe tens of trillions? 100 trillion at most?

>>98142443
Plus according to the lore there are quite a lot of craftworlds that are merely just smaller than the big named ones, which all add up to the number of Craftworld Eldar.

Ultimately though there will always be enough eldar in 40k to faciliate the setting, be it dark or craftworld kind.

>>98142442
Emperor wish he had half the aura of such chad.

>>98142453
tau are in the hundreds of billions at most

Ok, give it to me straight. How are IG, SoB, and Agents looking in the new edition

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98142453
>Okay then the Eldar would definitely be the least populous race then
They’re still a remnant of an large advanced interstellar empire, so no.

>>98142429
It's just a new form of night fighting to reduce T1 crab shoots, it's not gonna matter too much for higher level armies, but will help for the more casual people which is what 10th has been a struggling with for a while.
>small map constraints
I just play 6x4 since the map sizes in the book is just the MINIMUM size for games.
>GW terrain
if people find it such a problem i don't know why they don't just make their own?

>>98142463
There's are single Tau planets with trillions off people on them. They'd be in tens of trillions at least, possibly hundreds.

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>>98142453
I think you underestimate how tiny the tau empire is
>>98142474
trillions of humans*

>>98142446
No that's the exodites

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>>98142469
Og dark eldar looked like garbage. Goodwin's redesing on them is perhaps the greatest glowup in 40k history, even better than how the nids got their makeover.

>>98142474
A lot of those people are Humans that the Tau are having trouble managing.

>>98142456
Don't forget Exodites

>>98142469
We've got a good start of the Eldar refresh, were getting DEldar next & then we are getting Exodites returning

>>98142478
Tau empire ought to be bigger imo

>>98142479
The exodites are the amish to the amish. They returned to nature rather than convert into a more restrained but still advanced society like the craftworlders

>>98142479
Exodites are a weird concept, Elf riding dinos sounds rad but outside intergalatic opera.

>>98142414
yeah lol, I have some Sylvaneth too

>>98142484
You'll be waiting several editions. No way the DE get their full refresh in a single edition. Craftworlds took like 3 editions and their range still has 20+yo models in it.

>>98142478
>I think you underestimate how tiny the tau empire is
I mean, I thought the Eldar still had quadrillions in Commoragh at least. If they are truly down to the low trillions, I think you're underestimating how tiny the Eldar are.

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>>98142264
Painted up Yarrick the other day

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>>98142266
christcuck wh40k are so retarded and cringe

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Ignore gay theological arguments, instead question which faction has the most wifeable women
>hard mode: no SoB's

>>98142264
here's a tonk

>>98142513
tarellians

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11ht edition is.... GUD!!!!!!!!

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>>98142264
rhinos/razorbacks

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>>98142517
Would marry a Tarellian

>>98142518
mods, kill this poster

>>98142486
Tau are too young for that

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>>98142264

>>98142529
Yeah the appeal of the Tau is that they get stronger every time the lore advances. Back in 9th edition they were probably smaller than the Eldar, but 2 editions later they're almost certainly larger. They used to not have FTL, now they do. They used to not have a goddess or warp weapons, now they have both. So on and so forth.

Even the mechs getting bigger is a representation of this.

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>>98142528
No one can contain me

>>98142536
those are some really great kit bashes, do the gsc give you heaps of bits that allow you do make them easily?

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>THE most important and iconic figure in 40k
>The one who all lore is built off
>Who most people start reading about when they get into the lore
>Who undergirds every single way the imperium functions
>The original rule of cool character

And now all the contrarians on this site have horse-shoed themselves into wanting him to go away or to die or to stop being relevant. YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.

>>98142518
For who?

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>>98142554
endless sex with the emperor

>>98142554
Anon, he is a corpse on a chair since the start... Let it go. Accept the truth.

>>98142518
A Dark Eldar with a straight sword would be hot

>>98142554
Who the fuck gets into 40k over muh emperor?

People get into 40k over cool figurines and art, be it of imperium or chaos or xenos.

>>98142544
They literally had FTL from their introduction, Phil Kelly just retconned it.

>>98142572
>Dark Eldar
>Straight Sword
It's like you don't know the faction at all. That sword would be gay as fuck.

>>98142559
why is this emperor brown? he should be a white straight übermensch

>>98142580
most people who get into 40k did so after reading the emperor's wiki, likely because they heard about him after being compared to Trump.

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>>98142554
>THE most important and iconic figure in 40k
what does Johnny have to do with any of this?

>>98142581
Well yes that's the other problem, the Tau get retconned constantly

IIRC they even use cloning now to reproduce en masse.

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>>98142584
hes a turk

>another ban evading retard
we finally get rid of one and another pops right up

>>98142554
>Who most people start reading about when they get into the lore
Who are this "people"? He is by far a fucking boring character like some sort of "Zeus" mythical figure, all powerful and always present but with 0 impact in the development of the history.

>>98142559
>>98142592
Is the Emperor a top or a bottom?

>>98142508
you don't need to be a christcuck to see that christianity was pretty influential for 40k.

>>98142586
>People get into lore through wrong and horrible memes
Damn, man.

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>>98142551
In general yes, their infantry kits have a lot of spare bits, being one of the last kits being made while GW was still designing kits to generally be modular or multibuild. Acolytes in particular leave you with a lot of bits, as the kit builds those or Metamorphs, with the arms and heads for each being completely separate (besides the sidearm, but they give you two separate options for those as well). But given that they come in boxes of 5, I thought I'd have fun with the spare bits and also build twice as many models in one go as I could if I built Metamorphs properly from the box. It took a bit of work to get the arms lined up in a slightly more natural looking way, though, most of them I had to shave down armpits and shoulders to bring them tighter together and also change the angles so they didn't look weirdly posed on a model with a more upright posture.

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>>98142554
>>THE most important and iconic figure in 40k
>>The one who all lore is built off
>>Who most people start reading about when they get into the lore
>>Who undergirds every single way the imperium functions
>>The original rule of cool character

>>98142128
10th is literally the worst edition we have ever had and I've played all 10 of them. This deepthroating of GWs cock is repulsive.

>>98142592
not my emperor.

>>98142599
His testosterone levels are so high that every other human is female to him. He didn't even realize that all of the Astartes have XY chromosomes until after Erda pointed out his project was misogynistic.

>>98142554
The Emperor is just a standard 'city founding' hero but since the setting is galatic he created the galatic empire.
The Emperor is beleived to be real even though its all so over the top he should be seen as just a mythological theory. The founder of the ancient greek city of Thebes, Cadmus a demigod buried dragon teeth and warriors grew from the sown teeth, bought literacy and the cocneopt of a written language.
The HH is a founding myth and the BL series did more damage to the setting than women space marines would, It should of stayed as myth and the cause of the excistence of CSM never really specified. Daddy issues as a motive is a sign of poor and very uncreative writing.

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>>98142599
depends on whoever hes fucking

>self insert y/n character

hes top

>one of his sons

hes bottom

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>>98142554
Corpse emperor

>>98142368
hey look its the new starter box content they have not announced yet for each side.

>>98142133
>the Emperor if a christ figure
It literally could not be more obvious and heavy-handed. His suffering on the Golden Throne after sacrificing himself for humanity is an allegory for the crucifixion except 40k is so grimdark it doesn't end and then lead to a resurrection, he just keeps suffering for 10,000 years and counting.

>>98142635
how did he "sacrifice" himself? he just got mad horus killed his beloved angel twink son

>>98142592
He's anatolian he predates the Turks, Persian, Roman, Celtic and Hittie civilisations that existed there

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when will people accept that first and foremost 40k is a satire?

>>98142604
That's an awesome army dude, your meta fit perfectly with the Magus' look.
What are gsc like to play these days, i've always had an idea of making a union thug army out of them.

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>>98142649
no, hes a turk.

>>98142635
Drach'nyen

>>98142639
My lore states that the Emperor kept trying to redeem Horus even after Sanguinius was killed, but realized Horus was too far gone after Horus slaughtered a nameless Guardsman and laughed about it. It says that the Emperor was willing to risk his own life to try and redeem Horus, and only actually fought back once he realized Horus had no humanity left, instantly unmaking his first-found son.

>>98142650
a satire of what? dune???

>98142650
i accept that it's pointless to talk about warhammer with people that bring it up.

>>98142662
>my lore
Stopped reading there.

>>98142650
Rogue Trader through 3e is anti-Thatcherism satire, 4e through 6e is Starship Troopers, 7e onward is Halo 4.

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>>98142264
the current wip

>>98142665
it's a satire of what ever the person that brings it up is arguing against

>>98142586
Weak b8.

>>98142536
Delaque bits go so good with GSC, great work.

>>98142639
Read lore.

>>98142650
It actually isn't and never was, this is a myth spawned by the people who thought Starship Troopers inspired 40k (it didn't) and that Starship Troopers was a satire (it wasn't, only the movie was, which came years after 40k did) because not only did those people never read 40k rulebooks, they never read Starship Troopers either.

Rick Priestley has been pretty explicit. The setting was made straight up, it has satirical elements in it because gaming nerds are funny guys and there's no need to be serious all the time, but calling the work itself a "satire" is like saying every movie that ever had a single joke in it is a satire even if the other 98% was straight up serious action.

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>>98142662
>my lore

>>98142671
>7e onward is Halo 4.
>7e
how long have you been in the hobby?

>>98142671
>7e onward is Halo 4
No

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>>98142264

My 3d printed bases for these guys are almost done. Soon I'll be able to put them on something nice.

>>98142649
Stop falling for bait

>>98142671
>Rogue Trader through 3e is anti-Thatcherism satire
None of this is true, not even a little bit. Andy Chambers straight up debunked the fake bullshit claim that Ghazghkulls name is a joke about Thatcher. She wasn't referenced at all in 40k. Neither was the setting even remotely satirical even in Rogue Trader outside a handful of jokes.

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>>98142687
i'm not baiting hes a gorgeous turkish man

>>98142635
>There's a guy being tortured endlessly
>Clearly this related to my worship of adead jew on a stick!
The Emperor is sitting on a throne (or some reamisn in a glass bowel according to Blanche) IF he even exists. Remember everything we know of the setting its entirely possible there is no Emperor body or remains and its only the idea of him thats exists. Him making the Astronomicon and soul binding being in universe propoganda to give evidence he exists.

>>98142695
>anon is a retard who doesn't know what the word 'allegory' means

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>>98142029

The green menace first came to Oracleus in M35, during Waaagh Stonetoof. The conflict nearly destroyed what little civilization existed on it before the arrival of the Coal Hearts. They all but obliterated the horde that had landed, but small bands of Ork’s managed to escape the destruction of Stonetoof’s Krew. Eventually going savage in the wastelands and deep deserts of Oracleus. They became a constant threat for the people who ventured into their territory. Attempts to finally eradicate them proved fruitless. Young warriors of the Knight houses would come down from the highlands and hunt the greenskins for sport while systematic sweeps by Coal Heart and Tejanan aircraft obliterated any settlement or warband they came across. Yet the next year the beasts would return just as numerous. The vast scrap fields and dead hive cities were full of machinery the Ork’s could repurpose for war. The dangerous native life and atmospheric toxins only seemed to make the surviving Orks even tough. Ork attacks on Digger salvage expeditions are a fact of life for the hardy men and women who scratch trinkets out of the dirt to trade to Tejana. In recent decades the Ork threat has become an even more tenacious problem. Constant offworld wars have drawn away most of the Knights, and the Coal Hearts spend years away from home on every front of the beleaguered Lucium Sector. Rumours of a Sneakboss, an unusually crafty ork warlord, persist as raids on lowland settlements rise and grow in sophistication. The Voidwardens, the armed wing of the chapter’s Bondforged auxilliaries strike quickly whenever these attacks come, but all too often all they find is ashes and blood. Some worry that one day soon the Greenskins will grow strong enough to threaten all life on Oracleus yet again.

TLDR:

They kill them with fire but are usually too busy dealing with Necrons and chaos to stick around long enough to make sure they got them all.

>>98142698
>Anon thinks all torture of a character is a direct christian allegory.
Jesus isn't the first or only mythological or religious figure to be tortured forever as a consequnce of his actions. He's as much a jesus stand in as he is a Prometheus one

>>98142653
Thanks. I'll be honest I've been checked out for 10th edition and just hobbying for the joy of it. From what I gather, they've had their gimmick reworked to function like an endless swarm army. They still use the ambush tokens to bring in units, but it happens during the game and only for units that have been destroyed. So it's effectively a respawn mechanic, when a unit with the army rule is destroyed (basically only infantry have it), you can spend a point resource called Resurgence (the amount you get is based on army size, and the amount you spend is based on the unit) you put a token down. The opponent can clear the token off the table if they get within 9" during their turn, but otherwise when it's your next turn you get to put any of your respawned units back into play around it.

It seems pretty fun, I just wish GW would nail down what the army's gimmick is and stick to it.

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you DO have your official Games Workshop Warhammer 40,000 Gaming Chair (tm)

right?

>>98142708
Molech

>>98142692
The entire setting has always been satire inspired by the Thatcher years. If you can't see that then you are the butt of the joke.

>>98142708
He's much more of a Prometheus, given his deal with the Chaos gods.

>>98142713
No.

>>98142719
>given his deal with the Chaos gods.
not canon

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>>98142720
Brothers, kill this f*cking heretic!

>>98142635
The issue with the christ analogy is that unlike christ who was sinless and died to redeem mankind, the Emperor was a tyrant whose own actions led to the hell he suffers from, and arguably doomed mankind to it's spiral towards oblivion. At no point did the Emperor redeem humanity, he sought to subjugate mankind under his all encompassing tyrannical vision for mankind. He stole power from evil gods to create artificial golems to lead his armies via which to subjugate humanity. Armies composed of brainwashed and indoctrinated and augmented superhumans created solely for killing. Comparing the Emperor to Christ is borderline blasphemous given what kind of figure the Emperor is in 40k.

>>98142705
based sally lore

>>98142714
Moloch wasn't a god but the name of a type of burnt sacrifical offering. A holocaust/moloch is just when you burn the sacrifice. Sometimes the offering was children though

>>98142727
Cope

>>98142718
No, and not only is it incredibly obvious that that kind of thing wasn't on the minds of the creators at all to anyone like me who has actually read all the early 40k material, but the creators such as Priestley and Chambers have also just stated that themselves.

You brainrotted troon zoomers have no idea. Back in the 80s and 90s that kind of shit that is omnipresent today where real-world political activism is on the forefront of everyone's minds and getting shoved in everywhere, that didn't fucking exist. They weren't thinking about Thatcher at all and have gone out of their way to debunk that in every sense. They were thinking about WW2 and Heavy Metal Magazine and Judge Dredd and Tolkien and cool manly war shit. You know literally nothing.

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I bought a bunch of krieg boxes it's over for me.

>>98142740
If that shit is canon, so is the Interex and Erda.

You fucking retards are stupid to thi k he's just ONE allegory.

He's Jesus
He's Solomon
He's King Arthur
He's Prometheus
He's Gilgamesh
He's Leto II
He's a manifestation of Chaoskampf

Its called nuanced writing

>>98142730
The point is not to say the Emperor actually IS Christ or even Christ-like in his behavior, just that the way his sacrifice and suffering is foundational to the worship of the Imperial cult is very much based on real-world (especially medieval) Christianity. Part of what makes the setting so dark is all the ways that he diverges from the True Christ and in some ways is actually more like an Anti-Christ figure as well, but the allegory of the crucifixion still holds somewhat.

>>98142742
you were a retarded 5 year old and didn't know about politics and are projecting that ignorance onto others because you are autistic

>>98142753
That's just being incoherent.

>>98142730
He seems more to be a twisted version of jesus rather than a 1:1.
I don’t see how you could look at redemptionists, flagellants, inquisition, witch hunters, concepts of dying to honor the emperor’s sacrifice, ect. and think its just one big coincidence that it has nothing to do with christianity.

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>>98142753
>le nuance

>>98142744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgsdexkv18

>>98142753
Nuance no longer exists because people are incapable of being sincere.

>>98142757
Okay that's why Andy Chambers in his AMA just straight up came out and said they never thought about Thatcher once while working on 40k.

You, who hasn't even read the early 40k material, surely know better!

>>98142761
>I don’t see how you could look at redemptionists, flagellants, inquisition, witch hunters, concepts of dying to honor the emperor’s sacrifice, ect. and think its just one big coincidence that it has nothing to do with christianity.
This, precisely.

>>98142752
Those are also canon

Eldar are going to be so dogshit in 11th. What do you hope for to make the army actually good again

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>>98142753
>He's Solomon
>He's King Arthur
Explain how hes an allegory to them, nothing obvious come to mind for why them specifically
>He's a manifestation of Chaoskampf
That's the PIE divine patriarch with lightning powers fighting a killing a dragon/mosnterous serpent idea right? Hes kind of an inverse of that idea since the serpent dragon monster would be chaos and they killed him and doomed his people, as opposed to being slain leading to a golden age. Also big E had no lightning powers per se

None of the Black Library shit is canon because Priestley denounced it and also almost all of it sucks.

>>98142758
A lot of people think music is just noise

>>98142768
Also goes for modern writers, it sucks cause no one writes with nuance or reads with discretion

Canon is whatever you decide it is while making up the fluff for /yourguys/.

>>98142338
Remember a little something called
>The emperor protects?

>>98142785
Webway Gates with [STEALTH] with which I can freely move squads into and out of Reserves.

>>98142742
The only ever said that Ghazgul's name wasn't Thatcher's because they didn't want to think about the big bad witch.
Their biggest inspirations were 2000AD, including Judge Dredd which are absolutely MIRED in critique of Thatcher's Britain.
And it's British satire. It's not like an American joke where it's build up -> build up -> build up -> punchline, everyone laughs.
It's presenting a wild and whimsical dark future that is what will happen if Thatcher and her conservative government continues to get their way. It's meant to be over the top and terrible and its humor is simple in how over the top and terrible it is. The recent Tithes short that has a crew collect an ammunition tithe from a planet besieged by orks, dooming it and everyone on it because they have to take their taxes. Only to have the Administratum schedule that very tithe a planet died for for destruction because they simply don't have room for it is a perfect example of the sort of satire that 40k has always run on.
Not the "haha funny!" jokes. The "oh shucks, that's bureaucracy!" satire that lets itself linger in your face.

>>98142785
>Eldar are going to be so dogshit in 11th
like always Eldar will be a bad army for bad players, but a good army for people that know how to use the army.
If you started an eldar army after playing space marines there's no hope for you, i'm sorry.

>>98142756
>>98142761
Yeah, it is obvious that there are parallels with the imperial cult and the emperor and Christianity and Christ. My point was more that the emperor is fundamentally evil figure as opposed to what Christ is. Calling him an anti-christ figure is appropriate.

>>98142769
>Andy Chambers in his AMA just straight up came out and said they never thought about Thatcher once while working on 40k.
just making shit up now huh

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Obviously the Emperor was Jesus, Jesus loves the Catholics.

>>98142785
What did the new rules do to make the eldar shit?

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>>98142802
>just making shit up now huh
he's right
>>98142803
stay on twitter

>>98142753
>Nuance
End your fucking life but before take with you all the Theologicfags trying to compare Emperor with Jesus.

>>98142803
>no it wasn't

stay mad christcuck

>>98142800
>Diehard eldar players netting a 45% winrate on the best detachment is fine!!!! Nobody cares about the 0% winrate dogshit detachments!!! Or the fact that aspect host is 3dp and you can't even interact with the new detachment system!!!
fuck off retard

>>98142799
The animations are steeped in irony.
>Salamander sends regular humans to their deaths because the IG have KoS orders.
>Sister Repentia falsely accused of cowardice is denied grace because her commander was killed before granting her absolution and is interred in a penitent engine
>
Actually I forgot the irony of the Kasrkin one because I disconnected during the female Custodes melty the world was having.

>>98142799
>It's presenting a wild and whimsical dark future that is what will happen if Thatcher and her conservative government continues to get their way
You are so fucking brainrotted. Nothing about 40k was meant to be a warning about the future, it was written to be like the medieval age, or rather the pop cultural gritty comic book version of the medieval age, IIIN SPAAACE.

Also the bureaucracy stuff being the butt of jokes doesn't mean the entire setting was made with that in mind, and it wasn't. First and foremost, more than anything else, the setting was made to be badass. It was made for rule of cool smashing toys together. It was made to allow all kinds of crazy space war scenarios with fantastical aliens and creatures and sci-fi technobabble junk. The occasional poking at bureaucracy was never more than a side gag and it was more about Priestley expressing his frustration and distaste at working for money-grubbing business types than it was about the fucking government.

>>98142820
Win rates mean nothing when they're are more bad players than there are good, my point still stand that the dogshit players will fail at the army while the actual good players will be fine.

>>98142815
It says that Ghazgkhull's name isn't inspired by Thatcher. Which nobody in this thread claimed??

It doesn't fucking say this:
>they never thought about Thatcher once while working on 40k.
That was pulled straight out of his hairy asshole. Fuck, I mean it is directly contradicted by what he said.

>>98142266
He is more akin to an anti-christ. He usurped faith in the divine and insisted that people worship human power, building a new order in his image...

>>98142829
>the setting was made to be badass.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh fuck, you really are retarded.
Fucking zoomers with your inability to comprehend literature beyond baby-spoon depth.

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im new to wh40k do you guys just argue about the same 5 things every thread

>>98142823
>Actually I forgot the irony of the Kasrkin one because I disconnected during the female Custodes melty the world was having.
The one where the custodes tells a space marine chapter to give up on their oaths and exterminatus their own homeworld to create a ring of dead worlds around the Solar sector to discourage tyranids coming to Terra? I guess the irony was all the pyskers they came to 'save' were going to be killed by being fed to the Emperor

>>98142835
The Emperor literally was Jesus in the past. Then dumbfucks like you failed to listen to his message of peace which is why he was forced to use war since it's the only message retards (like you) will listen to.

>>98142834
>we were trying not to think of her
>THIS CLEARLY MEANS THEY BASED IT ON HER!!!
Do you need regular reminders to keep breathing?

>>98142836
Anon I'm old enough to have been playing this game since it was still in 2nd edition and everything I am saying is backed up straight from the mouths of the creators who have been interviewed a hundred times over the decades since 40k blew up. They talk about this in White Dwarf, they talk about this on Youtube, it's all out there to find. The way you are acting so smug about thinking you know better while the creators themselves just straight up said otherwise shows what a pretentious fucking moron you really are.

>>98142787
The guy who had lightning as his motif with Thunder Warriors, thunderbolt heraldry, his warriors shooting Bolters (after Volkite weapons were discontinued) which which both allude to lightning, wielding the Lightning Claw weapon, & having a big fucking golden eagle, etc? Youre not very observant.

King Arthur built his kingdom (Imperium), created a Round Table of powerful knights (Primarchs), quested after a great boon to his people (Webway), ignored the threat if his rebellious son (Horus) & his knights felt into in-fighting leaving the kingdom weak & near ruin (Horus Heresy) he met his son in combat where he slew his son but was in turn mortally wounded & born to Avalon (Golden Throne)

For Solomon its mostly being a wise Patriarch, dealing with Chaos & getting bit, etc. I mean, if you actually read, comprehended, & drew your own honest connections youd know it immediately.

>>98142844
Cite your source.

>>98142803
Why the fuck do you have to post the dogshit takes of that retarded grifter here?

>>98142839
Welcome to /40kg/, /tg/ and 4chan in general, newfag.

>>98142842
Yep. Complete with jokes of the Sister of Silence saying in sign language that the Space Marines and everyone on the planet are all going to die horribly only for the Custodian to translate it in a completely differently and much more friendly.
Even as she bullies the White Templars into forsaking their oaths.

>>98142844
40k was not designed to make people convert to christanity lmao
>Emperor is jesus
he was also Alexander the Macodonian, Herkales, Buddha, Mohammd, Napleon, Ceaser etc any big name in history was actually the Emperor all along. Which is clearly meant to be some in universe historical revisonism to justify emperor worship because its lame as an idea otherwise

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>>98142844

>>98142850
>larping as an old fag
Yawn. Try again, kid. You still type like a 13 year old.

>>98142844
Dune

>>98142823
It was funny how assmad secondaries got over the repentia animation

>>98142839
Pretty much yeah.
>game is in a terrible place in terms of rules because of modern streamlining
>most popular faction (marines) is in a terrible place in terms of models because of primaris
>lore is in a terrible place because of woke retard nu-writers who don't understand the setting or are actively trying to undermine it
>community is in a terrible place because of twitter culture warriors on both sides and /v/ tourists flooding us since games like Owlcat's Rogue Trader Space Marine 2 came out
It truly is the grim and dark future right now compared to what once was, so we have nothing much else to do but argue

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>>98142845
He literally calls her the wicked witch. Yeah he was fucking thinking about her, as was every brit at the time.

Are you autistic by chance? I know your kind have trouble picking up on things like this.

>>98142863
I accept your concession

>>98142866
It was also funny when secondaries got analpained over the highly-detailed fan art of le heckin big chungus orky boyz cannibalizing women while they're screaming and crying and the light is fading from their eyes as they're brutally dismembered and torn apart.

>>98142851
>The guy who had lightning as his motif with Thunder Warriors, thunderbolt heraldry, his warriors shooting Bolters (after Volkite weapons were discontinued) which which both allude to lightning, wielding the Lightning Claw weapon
Thats fair
>having a big fucking golden eagle
Divine patriarchs aren't tied to eagle imagery
>I mean, if you actually read, comprehended, & drew your own honest connections youd know it immediately.
Don't be a shit cunt anon it was a question asked in good faith im not super familiar with Solomon or other biblical jew kings or the very many different King Arthur myths

>>98142870
I accept your concession

This is what happens when xenos doesn’t get enough

>>98142839
>why do nogames niggers sit in this thread complaining about the same topics 24/7
Mental illness.

>>98142877
True, we are trapped discussing if Emperor is Jesus, God, Antichrist or just a man.

>>98142816
Are you saying that its wrong to make comparisons between the Catholic inspired space gothic theocracy with a Living God who sacrificed himself to eternal torture for the sake of humanity with the real life Catholic Church which worships Jesus who took on the sins of all mankind & sacrificed himself on a cross?

None of that bleeds through? You can say he was retarded & a tyrant & all that, but the people WITHIN THE SETTING see him as a militant Jesus. Thats the nuancd

>>98142879
The answer is E: All of the above.

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>>98142879
all of the above, which is the point. he's an amalgamation of characters in a setting of amalgamations.

>>98142874
>cannibalizing
Technically that's not cannibalism, since they're an alien species.

>>98142886
>some black library warhammer fantasy trash unrelated to 40k

>>98142844
>Then dumbfucks like you failed to listen to his message of peace
The Emperor literally personally executed people who listened to Jesus's message of peace.

>>98142888
If you know enough lore, it does go back to cannibalism

>>98142886
>citing a third party book released after chambers left GW
oh you're RETARDED retarded

>>98142894
Even with the shared Old Ones origins it doesn't really qualify, no.

>>98142888
Orks are def cannibals though, as are lots of other factions like astartes, anyone from a hive world

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>>98142874
The breed of 40k "fans" that bitch and whine about the setting actually being grim and dark are a blight on the hobby.

Also, Mossa's ork art is fucking fantastic. I love how monstrous he makes them look.

>>98142875
Sorry if it came out more cunty than I intended.

The Eagle imagery is part of Chaoskampf. Eagle vs Serpent. Which is also the Lightning God (as the Eagle)

>>98142902
NOOOOOOOO STOP STOPPPPP STOPPPPPPPP WHERE IS MY PRIMARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>98142902
uhhh why did i get a boner to this...?

>>98142901
True

>>98142839
Yes we do.
I think the reason things are a little more combative right now is because along with fresh curious meat coming in there are also real trolls.
Hope you enjoy your stay either way.

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>>98142909

Are Space Marines circumsised? That might help settle this.

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>>98142902
Mossa in general makes very good 40k fanart.

>>98142902
>Mossa's ork art is fucking fantastic
All of his art is incredible but I especially love how he portrays orks

>>98142920
Imagine if the Ogryn sat on the Ratling

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>>98142920
need nightsider wife

>>98142919
i dont think they are
removing the foreskin wont give them any type of tactical advantage, it will just make them jewish

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For me it is Mossa's rendition of cultist Chan

>>98142905
>Eagle vs Serpent.
Ohhtrue yeah, now it does seem obvious